Seriously dude, I have the Christensen MPR .300 PRC and my 8 year old son shoots it with a bipod the recoil is almost nothing because of that break and I didn't even take any of the top screws out. Funny how you guys talk about recoil.....STOP IT!
@@miketyson8933He did specifically say put a brake on it. But a brake adds backward blast, which exacerbates hearing damage hunters have always faced. Minimizing recoil when a bigger round is unnecessary is almost always better for a number of reasons. But I'm glad the two of you do well with the cartridge. And most importantly, I'm glad you're engaging with your son. Well done on that front.
Hey after watching this I'm thinking it would be awesome to see you do multiple tests of the most common hunting bullets in a common powerful caliber (300wm) mostly focusing on how they hold together and how it can affect your hunt
It would also be a great addition to your website since you have favorite rifles, gear, ... would be nice to see your preference on bullets since that's more important than caliber most of the time
I mean... Based on Jim's own top 15 article from just a few months back, the 6.5 PRC isn't even top 5 and the 300 PRC barely makes top 10. And even IF we ignore 22LR and 223 Rem from that list (#1 and #2 respectively, cuz we are talking about hunting) and even IF we knock off 22-250 cuz we are nervous about shooting bigger game with it (#8) that puts 6.5 PRC in the #5 spot and 300 PRC in at #7 Sooooo... Still not even close.
@@jaredstewmelt All a man has to do is look. What is on the selves right now? 308 is definitely leading the way. '06 is most certainly right there. And while it is not on the shelves in abundance at the moment 30-30 is most certainly more popular than any of the new wiz bang calibers.
Brother I really don't see what your excited about.....yeah they're great if your shooting 1000 yards. However you said the best hunting rounds....Brother most of disagree I'm sure....
Nobody gonna comment on the decision to park the pickup beside the target? Edit... Now it is his truck. His rifle so have at it. My comment was more to poke fun at Mark than question His range safety habits. He is a smart guy and nobody was in trouble but his truck. I am sure he is more safe on the range than alot folks commenting. This channel has a lot of good information and I encourage folks to stick around.
@@lesliegreco-pool1960 the saum is literally hard to beat. Flat hard hitting long range power house that can be loaded low or hi big or low recoil, favorite round ever
I have been telling you for some time that hunting performance is about bullet construction. Leave the ELDX bullets alone if you truly want to ensure you kill your game as quickly as possible. Stop worshiping at the altar of Hornady factory ammo! Get yourself some Nosler Partitions and repeat those test's with bullets actual designed to hunt and kill efficiently as opposed to being biased just to slip through the air well and produce tight groups on paper! Just like it would be foolish to chose a Corvette to tow and haul heavy loads it is likewise a fools folly to use bullets that are poorly constructed for hunting to hunt with or to do penetration testing. I would never use Hornady Factory ammo to hunt with unless it was deer sized or smaller and if that is all I can find for that cartridge time to either reload or find another cartridge. I do not think I have ever seen you shoot a decent bullet for hunting out out of anything Hornady has designed in regards to their proprietary cartridges and you seem to handicap a lot of other cartridges with their bullets as well! Surely you have heard of Swift A Frames, Nosler Partitions, Barnes Solid Copper bullets and the like! Berger's are terrible hunting bullets too. Fusion is garbage too as far as serious hunting bullet is concerned. It is even more important when you are looking at cartridges with fairly high velocity.
Been waiting on the 7 PRC for a long time. I knew Hornady would get around to it at some point. Sucks that it’s coming out in this horrible market though.
I've recently started really using my 6.5 PRC and the ELD-X ammunition. Usually I spend most of my time shooting hogs at night with my Grendel but my land owner friend/neighbor asked me to help him with his Aoudad problem. The Aoudad are eating up at least half of the food he puts out for the White tail, Axis and Elk we have here in SSW Texas. I've now killed three Aoudad at about 160 yards and all have been bang flops. A couple days ago I had the largest hog of my life come in at that range and again, one shot one bang flop. That hog was old. He had not just massive shoulder shields but even down his rib cage. A real gladiator and came in at around 275 pounds. It was nearly dark and I had to opt for a shoulder shot. The bullet penetrated dead center on his shoulder shield and lodged under the off side shield. I would not hesitate to take an Elk with this cartridge. I hate recoil and don't care to go up in caliber and I don't hunt bears so this 6.5 PRC is all I'll ever need. Plus I'm a walnut and blued steel lover and this Winchester Model 70 from FN is the present love of my life. It's a tack driver with factory Hornady 143 grain ELD-X ammo.
Yep! Personally, I'm really not a fan of the ELD-X - just look at the bottles.. core and jacket separation, fragments everywhere... not what I personally want from a hunting bullet. I'd love to see this done again with something bonded like Nosler AccuBond and a mono like the Barnes TTSX.
I personally have shot elk with a 300 Win With the ELD-X 200 Grain two shots hit shoulder and exploded and they didn’t penetrate shoulder core and jacket separated not a fan of ELD-X bullets for game went back to Barnes and Nosler for hunting.
@@ryanconger5098 I haven't tried ELD-X myself, but I have seen one used out of a .300 Win Mag (not sure of weight - I assume 212gr) on a Gemsbok at ~180m. Worked great even though it separated, the Gemsbok went down quick. Comparing it to my .308 with the 165gr AccuBond, the AB expands way more and keeps intact sp it has better penetration. I'm interested in trying Bergers, but I really think the AccuBond and Barnes are the way to go for such large species.
@marcmoore4115 exactly no way I would use rounds that come apart like that I just bought a 7prc but I will not be using eld x it's basically a v max no thanks
My 270win has 21" of drop at 500 yards with a MPBR zero. Hard to beat without stepping up greatly in recoil. I see no use for any of these 3 out to 500 yards
First of all, the 270 Win is one of my all time favorite cartridges. With that said, the 6.5 PRC has passed it. It retains more energy down range, bullet drops a little less down range, but more importantly, it bucks the cross winds considerably better. Where I hunt, we experience a lot of cross winds coming up the canyons for those early morning hunts. My 6.5 PRC can stay on course so much better than my 270 Win. I don’t really need to adjust much for the cross winds with the 6.5 PRC.
@@phillycheesetakeuntil you get some 230/250 a tips in that 300… if you really need a more consistent shooting round, which outside of bragging rights most don’t.
@@alexmills1329 Sure, then you get it's ballistic twin...with more powder, higher-cost projectiles, larger action size, more recoil, etc. With anything lighter, the 7mm pulls ahead, with the heaviest EOL bullets they're tied in everything but projectile weight.
@@phillycheesetake it’s actually really impressive what some of those heavy .30’s are doing, not to take away from the 7’s because they are definitely the sweet spot, but these things look like they can go out and replace a good 338 even out to ELR depending on how they shake out. I haven’t shot them yet and I don’t have a range for over 800 yards but on paper they blow me away.
@@phillycheesetake Except 7 prc will burn barrels faster. And tbh the guys who want to shoot 300 prc are trying to replace 338 lapua and a 230 grain 300 prc does that better than a 195 7mm PRC. Trajectory is the same but energy on target isn't really close
I was one of those recoil deniers, until I put a brake on my then 30-06 hunting rifle and saw the difference in my shooting ability. When hunting you rarely get the perfect position, for managing heavy recoil. I am now shooting the 6.5 PRC and I have to say I just freaking love it. I’m getting decent ballistics for everything from antelope to elk and the wind busting that is critical here in Wyoming. The recoil allows me to often times see my shot placement, even from an imperfect positional. I handload so I can make the most of the ballistics.
The ELD-X is really a budget bullet. Not as complicated as a partition, bonded, or monolithic bullet. It is built for long range accuracy and decent performance at "cup and core" prices. I guess that it would be fine at lower velocities, but I would prefer something else if I thought I might be shooting at short range with one of these higher velocity cartridges.
@@jfox71 The solid copper base should do an excellent job of penetration. This is the kind of bullet that I think works best when you have a relatively high-velocity cartridge but might also shoot at short range.
Really liking the 7 PRC videos! Can’t wait to see you use it on some hunts this season. Looking foreword to getting one for myself after they become available!
Big fan of .284 lots of bullets I’ll probably loose all my .264 stuff I like the way they shoot don’t get me wrong just too much to deal with my v l s is rigged for 110 currently I like the way it puts down animals I am not shooting over 200 anymore so the 6.5 is really not needed
@backfire Okay so question then. Hunting in alaska where I live, I hunt now with a 300 win mag and love it. But was looking at potential going to a more modern cartridge. For taking moose and caribou and bear like I do would a 300PRC be better or a 7mm? In your opinion
I do think the 6.8 western fits in that mix. It’s the same engineering purpose and design behind it. They all seem to push similar B.C. bullets for the caliber the same velocity. Even though Hornady didn’t design the 6.8 western, it hits that same spot the 7 prc does.
@@Liamisdead99 here in Africa, many are switching from the .30-06, .270 or .308 they have to a 6.5 Creedmoor for everything up to the 1800lbs Eland. In my eyes, anything from 6.5x47 Lapua (even .25-06 and to SOME extent .243) up to .338 Win Mag will work great for Plains Game. So the 6.8 Western definitely falls into that category. If you pick a good bullet (most outfitters recommend mono or bonded, not something like the ELD-X) and make sure you can shoot the rifle accurately every time... you'll have great results regardless of what you pick, really. My personal choice goes to the .280 AI, but I wouldn't hesitate using a 6.5mm. I currently use .308 and it's plenty punch for Gemsbok.
@@marcmoore4115 I’m currently using a ruger Mkii Hawkeye 7mm 08 with 140 grain Remington core lokts and I’ve taken 4 deer with it and they drop in there tracks so I also see no problem for it for a gemsbok but a little harder to find ammo for than 308.
@@Liamisdead99 People seem to have a stigma of African game being so much tougher. Gemsbok weigh up to 240kg - I've harvested one that weighed around 230kg and have seen one that might actually top 240kg. They definitely are tough, but I don't think they are any tougher than an Elk. When I got my .308, I was actually debating whether I go .308 or 6.5 Creed - I wanted a 7-08, but it's near impossible to find any ammo or rifles for it here in Namibia. I only chose .308 because the only 6.5 Creed ammo frequently available was Match ammo, whereas with .308 I have 4 solid options that are always available... but now that I reload, it doesn't matter anyway 😅 if you ever come to Africa for ains game, there really isn't any reason to buy something bigger than your 7-08. Many outfitters are encouraging using what you are used to and can shoot well and loading it with a good bullet.
@@Liamisdead99 The 6.8 Western is 2.955" long and won't fit in many short actions. A typical short action is closer to the length of a 308 (2.81" long). Most of the time, they both will be put in a 30-06 (3.34") action.
More videos of ELD-X separating and exploding. ELD-X is a solution for a problem that only a few people have. Shooting animals at very extreme ranges. Yet the bullet is shoved down our throats and promoted as a real hunting bullet. There really should be a disclaimer on the box stating maximum impact velocity and a minimum distance for hunting.
I can appreciate that perspective and I do see some weaknesses of the ELDX, but I don’t see how I somehow “shoved the bullet down your throat” by merely using it. Also, I should add that I’ve killed about 40 animals with the ELDX and haven’t lost one. Again, not really defending it because I don’t think it’s the best out there, but offering my experience.
The ELDX has been extremely accurate out of my rifles. I have killed 4 animals withit but I will never shoot it at a game animal again. I shot a pronghorn off hand at short range and hit bone. The bullet did not get into the chest cavity and i had to spend the next hour chasing a wounded animal before I finished him off at about 300yds. The first thing I did was apologize when I walked up to the animal.
@@backfire let me rephrase. You aren’t shoving the ELDX down our throats. Hornady is. They are an excellent company at the cutting edge of technology and they created something they are passionate about. But it has a very small use case. Seems to be the only bullet chambered in everything that is available from Hornady. All I see on the shelf from Hornady is ELDX and SST. Hornady has their own cartridges they designed and these bullets are what the are pumping out in them. People don’t research bullet construction and terminal performance. They see Precision Hunter and think, hey some accurate hunting ammo is available on the shelf. They buy it and shoot a moose or bear at 20 yards. Hornady knows that in these magnums the bullet will fail at high velocity. They didn’t design it for that. But nowhere on the box is anything telling anyone that the bullet will fail in the chambering at close distance. This is a long range bullet designed to buck wind and perform at extreme distance and it does that well, but that only solves a problem for 5 percent of hunters while creating big problems for the rest. Bullet manufacturers used to show pictures of bullets in their marketing at various impact velocity. When will Hornady show us cup and core separation and fragmentation at high velocity. If Barnes can show us failure to expand at low velocity so that the consumer can make the proper choice, then why can’t Hornady admit to bullet failure at the high velocity that the ammo produces? Hornady knows that they have a high profit margin on the ELDX with its simple cup and core construction and they know people will pay more for accuracy. So they put this very niche bullet in everything and pump out the ammo. People buy it because it’s what’s on the shelf and they trust the Hornady name and marketing. But they aren’t getting the full story and small niche the bullet was designed for.
@@marcmoore4115 Thanks hopefully Hornady sees it and simply puts some fine print on the boxes of Magnums that says something like “jacket separation may occur at close distance impact velocities over X.
@@ExF1Guy I was going to mention the exact same guys. No opinions or 'this is better than that', they just shoot and show the results. I also like that they test at 100 out to 500, because it gives much better info than what many others do.
I agree but I think at the least the first ballistic gel needs to be changed out to give the test a fair comparison I think the gel is compromised after the first initial expansion upon entry.
@@KC-7mm that could possibly be, yeah. I don't know the dynamics of the gel, but my brain is telling me that it makes sense that the gel woukd react slightly differently if it already has been shot.
“ today we’re testing the 3 most popular hunting cartridges ” oh and if ya haven’t heard about the 7prc , well that’s cause it’s not out yet … but it’s one of the most popular hunting cartridges 🤣
Bullet performance: From my experience, there is a huge difference between the ELDX and TTSX when it comes to performance on animals. They both leave the animals dead, but I just don’t like how the ELDX separates compared to the TTSX and other Barnes and other monos. I feel like if for some reason the bullets don’t perform great, the downside of the monos seems higher than the downside of the ELDX. I’ve seen the TTSX liquify the vitals on numerous whitetails. The ELDX dropped deer in their tracks, but didn’t have the same damage inside. I don’t know if it matters, either. Just my opinion and experiences. I’d love to hear what others have experienced.
Having taken down game with ELD-X bullets from 6.5, 7 and 300 all in PRC there is one glaring difference I have observed. The 220 grain ELD-X seems to hold together a lot better than any of the smaller ELDX (noticeable on your water jug test).. likely due to the diameter. Of all 3 rifles if ELD-X was my only option I would have to take the 300 PRC just for this reason.
Hardly enough difference between the 6.5 and 7 to consider them a combo. I'd pick 6.5prc if those were the only choices; You can't get 7prc ammo virtually anywhere. My actual combo is the 6.5cm (lots of factory ammo) and 300PRC, which also has ammo available.
Hornady bullet "performance" at it's peak. Jacket separations are the norm in my very limited experience with them (limited because I only hunted with them once and won't ever again). In my opinion there ballistic tip bullets are target bullets no matter how they market them.
😅Jim, I have had a great experience watching and reading your content for years - just fun and informative. I am stoked about the 7PRC. It must have cost you family serious cash just getting ammo not to mention the rifle. Have you been seeing ammo for it yet? I hate waiting. Again thanks from So. Oregon
Still nothing that impresses me enough to consider getting rid of my 7mm Rem Mag and 7mm-08. One for longer range and one for in the woods and I’ve pretty much got North America covered.
We really are coming to a new age of next generation developments in both firearms and ammunition technology. We seem to hit this evolution in each generation. Muzzle loaders to breech loaders. To repeaters with cased ammo, to bolt actions with spitzer bullets. To intermediate rifles and cartridges, to rifles taking electronic optics and ammunition with performances that absolutely blows the previous generations out of the water.
I would like to see a comparison of the different calibers from a 20" barrel. Browning just released their suppressor ready X-bolt in a 20" that you can get in a 6.8 Western, but I'm not that impressed with the X-bolt. I would like to see a comparison of a few different calibers like 7 Saum, 6.5 prc, and 7 prc, and 6.8 western out of a 20" barrel with a suppressor to see if it's worth getting a different rifle with a custom barrel made.
@@redrock425 Hitting directly I wouldn't worry. However you never know where the bullet goes after it hits a target, especially something like a hammer.
I must admit that I am a little jealous of your 7PRC! I have a 6.5PRC Springfield Armory Model 2020 Waypoint w/ Zeiss LRP S5 5-25X56 And a 300PRC Fierce Carbon Rival w/ Kahles K525i 5-25X56 I hope to have a 7PRC soon!
I see your shooting the 6.5prc rival. Did you get the sticky bolt- extraction issues resolved? I’m in the market for a new rifle and I am considering a Fierce.
So where does the 6.8 western fall? It's a lot like these cartridges ie short action, high twist rate, great bc (if you get the most modern+heavy bullets).
I know this is a year old. I have been looking at the 6.5 PRC to replace my 6.5x55SE on a Tikka T3 action. However, I may end up going with a 6.5-06AI just so I don't have to mess with the bolt face. Good luck and stay safe!!! 😉😉😉
How do you like that MPR? It's the only Christensen Arms rifle I'm really interested in getting, but CA quality control scares me away from really wanting to pursue buying one.
The larger diameter bullet (300 PRC) has more surface area from which to transfer its energy into the water jugs, which helps make the explosive ball of water larger than with the smaller bullets. Lager mass (more stored energy) is certainly a contributing factor as well.
Great video, I’m looking at getting a new rifle mainly going to hunt deer moose and black bear max distance of shot will be 400 yards but most shots would be within 200 yards. I’m looking at .308, 30-06 6.5 prc or 7.5 prc… with this said I would prefer something with less recoil but at the same time I don’t want to wonder if something comes out at 300 yards if I have enough juice. Any suggestions ?
Love the 7prc, wish Hornady brought out a nice high BC bonded bullet. I like how the ELD range flies, but up close at high velocity they’re too explosive at times. I use the 160gr accubond in my 7mm rem mag and it always leaves a perfect mushroom even up very close on deer and will perform well out to 500. A nice 175-180gr bonded Bullet from Hornady would make the 7mm Prc a machine
Best long range (1000yds+) rifle cartidge, 300prc. Best sporting rifle cartidge, debatable. Thats what i got out of the video. So if its debatable, 300prc all the way
I load the barnes 200 grain lrx bullets over h1000 at 3080 fps, hot, safe load, compressed load, in my win mag, no pressure signs, im sure im real close . I bet i could have that 300 prc shooting the 200s around 3300, every bit of it, probly another compressed, hot load, im good about checking for pressure signs, working my way up slow for my load
First no one talking about how Hornady bullet didn't hold up in first round??? Or how our vlogger didn't think about the velocity range of that bullet and how it would perform on the water..... You didn't get true penetration because the bullets got shredded.... Do better
three most popular? total bs but yes good cartridges and uses just usual PR marketing bs claims, How can they be most popular if you own only one in 7 you claim which also is bs how did hornady produce it lol great video showing actual penetration etc useful data well done
Incorrect about the first rifle etc. People have had before commercial production of the round being available for sale to the public hell a little killed a Bear and was the first to hunt and shoot a animal with the round as a commercial round
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Seriously dude, I have the Christensen MPR .300 PRC and my 8 year old son shoots it with a bipod the recoil is almost nothing because of that break and I didn't even take any of the top screws out. Funny how you guys talk about recoil.....STOP IT!
Neck the 300PRC down to
300WSM/PRC
@@miketyson8933He did specifically say put a brake on it. But a brake adds backward blast, which exacerbates hearing damage hunters have always faced.
Minimizing recoil when a bigger round is unnecessary is almost always better for a number of reasons.
But I'm glad the two of you do well with the cartridge. And most importantly, I'm glad you're engaging with your son. Well done on that front.
Hey after watching this I'm thinking it would be awesome to see you do multiple tests of the most common hunting bullets in a common powerful caliber (300wm) mostly focusing on how they hold together and how it can affect your hunt
It would also be a great addition to your website since you have favorite rifles, gear, ... would be nice to see your preference on bullets since that's more important than caliber most of the time
How can they be the 3 most popular hunting cartridges on the market if one of them isn't on the market?
Because "Marketing Hype."
I mean... Based on Jim's own top 15 article from just a few months back, the 6.5 PRC isn't even top 5 and the 300 PRC barely makes top 10.
And even IF we ignore 22LR and 223 Rem from that list (#1 and #2 respectively, cuz we are talking about hunting) and even IF we knock off 22-250 cuz we are nervous about shooting bigger game with it (#8) that puts 6.5 PRC in the #5 spot and 300 PRC in at #7
Sooooo... Still not even close.
@@jaredstewmelt All a man has to do is look. What is on the selves right now? 308 is definitely leading the way. '06 is most certainly right there. And while it is not on the shelves in abundance at the moment 30-30 is most certainly more popular than any of the new wiz bang calibers.
@@jaredstewmelt Man you said EXACTLY what I was thinking. I like this guy however.....well enough said.
Brother I really don't see what your excited about.....yeah they're great if your shooting 1000 yards. However you said the best hunting rounds....Brother most of disagree I'm sure....
Nobody gonna comment on the decision to park the pickup beside the target?
Edit...
Now it is his truck. His rifle so have at it. My comment was more to poke fun at Mark than question His range safety habits. He is a smart guy and nobody was in trouble but his truck. I am sure he is more safe on the range than alot folks commenting. This channel has a lot of good information and I encourage folks to stick around.
exactly
I am absolutely dumbfounded that the truck was parked next to the target like that.
not my pickup
Range day + car wash day
Pretty sure he was hoping the comment section would light up about this topic just to help his TH-cam algorithms.
I would like to see a head to head with the 7PRC and the 6.8 Western. What a cool match up that would be.
Vs 7LRM ....... I'm sure it's the same ballistics from Gunwerks creation.
I want to see the 7 SAUM vs 7 PRC comparison video! Jim, you have both. When my SAUM barrel is done, what should I get?
Ron Spomer just did a recent vid on these two.
@@lesliegreco-pool1960 the saum is literally hard to beat. Flat hard hitting long range power house that can be loaded low or hi big or low recoil, favorite round ever
I have been telling you for some time that hunting performance is about bullet construction. Leave the ELDX bullets alone if you truly want to ensure you kill your game as quickly as possible. Stop worshiping at the altar of Hornady factory ammo! Get yourself some Nosler Partitions and repeat those test's with bullets actual designed to hunt and kill efficiently as opposed to being biased just to slip through the air well and produce tight groups on paper! Just like it would be foolish to chose a Corvette to tow and haul heavy loads it is likewise a fools folly to use bullets that are poorly constructed for hunting to hunt with or to do penetration testing. I would never use Hornady Factory ammo to hunt with unless it was deer sized or smaller and if that is all I can find for that cartridge time to either reload or find another cartridge. I do not think I have ever seen you shoot a decent bullet for hunting out out of anything Hornady has designed in regards to their proprietary cartridges and you seem to handicap a lot of other cartridges with their bullets as well! Surely you have heard of Swift A Frames, Nosler Partitions, Barnes Solid Copper bullets and the like! Berger's are terrible hunting bullets too. Fusion is garbage too as far as serious hunting bullet is concerned. It is even more important when you are looking at cartridges with fairly high velocity.
This is why we don’t hunt with eldx. You are correct bullet selection is more important than caliber.
Been waiting on the 7 PRC for a long time. I knew Hornady would get around to it at some point. Sucks that it’s coming out in this horrible market though.
Most popular? Never knew any of these outsold 30.06, .308, .270, etc
it was sarcasm
@@WayStedYou Poorly done then.
I've recently started really using my 6.5 PRC and the ELD-X ammunition. Usually I spend most of my time shooting hogs at night with my Grendel but my land owner friend/neighbor asked me to help him with his Aoudad problem. The Aoudad are eating up at least half of the food he puts out for the White tail, Axis and Elk we have here in SSW Texas. I've now killed three Aoudad at about 160 yards and all have been bang flops. A couple days ago I had the largest hog of my life come in at that range and again, one shot one bang flop. That hog was old. He had not just massive shoulder shields but even down his rib cage. A real gladiator and came in at around 275 pounds. It was nearly dark and I had to opt for a shoulder shot. The bullet penetrated dead center on his shoulder shield and lodged under the off side shield. I would not hesitate to take an Elk with this cartridge. I hate recoil and don't care to go up in caliber and I don't hunt bears so this 6.5 PRC is all I'll ever need. Plus I'm a walnut and blued steel lover and this Winchester Model 70 from FN is the present love of my life. It's a tack driver with factory Hornady 143 grain ELD-X ammo.
Finally the "PRC Shoot out" video we have all been waiting for. Nice job👍🏼
I would be very interested to see how different the penetration and wound channels would be between the PRCs loaded with monometal bullets.
Yep! Personally, I'm really not a fan of the ELD-X - just look at the bottles.. core and jacket separation, fragments everywhere... not what I personally want from a hunting bullet. I'd love to see this done again with something bonded like Nosler AccuBond and a mono like the Barnes TTSX.
I personally have shot elk with a 300 Win With the ELD-X 200 Grain two shots hit shoulder and exploded and they didn’t penetrate shoulder core and jacket separated not a fan of ELD-X bullets for game went back to Barnes and Nosler for hunting.
Agreed, bonded and monolithic all day for elk
@@ryanconger5098 I haven't tried ELD-X myself, but I have seen one used out of a .300 Win Mag (not sure of weight - I assume 212gr) on a Gemsbok at ~180m. Worked great even though it separated, the Gemsbok went down quick. Comparing it to my .308 with the 165gr AccuBond, the AB expands way more and keeps intact sp it has better penetration. I'm interested in trying Bergers, but I really think the AccuBond and Barnes are the way to go for such large species.
@marcmoore4115 exactly no way I would use rounds that come apart like that I just bought a 7prc but I will not be using eld x it's basically a v max no thanks
ELD-X is a bullet I dumped and switched to the Federal Terminal Ascent. Holds together much much better.
My 270win has 21" of drop at 500 yards with a MPBR zero. Hard to beat without stepping up greatly in recoil. I see no use for any of these 3 out to 500 yards
First of all, the 270 Win is one of my all time favorite cartridges. With that said, the 6.5 PRC has passed it. It retains more energy down range, bullet drops a little less down range, but more importantly, it bucks the cross winds considerably better. Where I hunt, we experience a lot of cross winds coming up the canyons for those early morning hunts. My 6.5 PRC can stay on course so much better than my 270 Win. I don’t really need to adjust much for the cross winds with the 6.5 PRC.
Everyone wants to say the 270 is more gooder. But the 6.5 has a higher BC in the same weight class and has much better numbers especially past 500.
The stopping power on the 300 prc along with the accuracy at long ranges, shooting heavy high bc bullets, it’s unmatched. Favorite round ever
It is literally OUTmatched by the 7prc.
@@phillycheesetakeuntil you get some 230/250 a tips in that 300… if you really need a more consistent shooting round, which outside of bragging rights most don’t.
@@alexmills1329 Sure, then you get it's ballistic twin...with more powder, higher-cost projectiles, larger action size, more recoil, etc.
With anything lighter, the 7mm pulls ahead, with the heaviest EOL bullets they're tied in everything but projectile weight.
@@phillycheesetake it’s actually really impressive what some of those heavy .30’s are doing, not to take away from the 7’s because they are definitely the sweet spot, but these things look like they can go out and replace a good 338 even out to ELR depending on how they shake out. I haven’t shot them yet and I don’t have a range for over 800 yards but on paper they blow me away.
@@phillycheesetake Except 7 prc will burn barrels faster. And tbh the guys who want to shoot 300 prc are trying to replace 338 lapua and a 230 grain 300 prc does that better than a 195 7mm PRC. Trajectory is the same but energy on target isn't really close
Nice! You had me at "For Narnia!" I'm getting really curious about that 7PRC.
Why are you shooting them beside your truck???
Next thing you know your going to bag and tag your truck.
I was one of those recoil deniers, until I put a brake on my then 30-06 hunting rifle and saw the difference in my shooting ability. When hunting you rarely get the perfect position, for managing heavy recoil. I am now shooting the 6.5 PRC and I have to say I just freaking love it. I’m getting decent ballistics for everything from antelope to elk and the wind busting that is critical here in Wyoming. The recoil allows me to often times see my shot placement, even from an imperfect positional. I handload so I can make the most of the ballistics.
Well I'd love to see the 6.8 Western versus the 7PRC
Ron Spomer has a video up comparing these two.
You're shooting those POS ELDX bullets that won't hold together at high velocity.
The ELD-X is really a budget bullet. Not as complicated as a partition, bonded, or monolithic bullet. It is built for long range accuracy and decent performance at "cup and core" prices. I guess that it would be fine at lower velocities, but I would prefer something else if I thought I might be shooting at short range with one of these higher velocity cartridges.
@@jfess1911 i now shoot federal terminal ascent bullets. I will start handloading them soon.
@@jfess1911 they don't charge budget prices for them.
@@jfox71 I shoulda probably written: relatively inexpensive to PRODUCE. What they actually charge is another matter.
@@jfox71 The solid copper base should do an excellent job of penetration. This is the kind of bullet that I think works best when you have a relatively high-velocity cartridge but might also shoot at short range.
I just want a ballistics gel video about eld-x vs eld-m. Can't find precision hunter anywhere, but Hornady match is falling off the shelves.
Really liking the 7 PRC videos! Can’t wait to see you use it on some hunts this season. Looking foreword to getting one for myself after they become available!
I want to see the difference between the factory 7 PRC and Jim’s ammo.
Yes that will be interesting
Big fan of .284 lots of bullets I’ll probably loose all my .264 stuff I like the way they shoot don’t get me wrong just too much to deal with my v l s is rigged for 110 currently I like the way it puts down animals I am not shooting over 200 anymore so the 6.5 is really not needed
Let’s see some ballistics info 7 mm prc vs .280 a I ? Any reloading data out on it yet ? Always did like the ol . 284 ballistics very efficient
Hopefully it won’t like the really slow stuff like the 6.5 s that’s one reason
@backfire Okay so question then. Hunting in alaska where I live, I hunt now with a 300 win mag and love it. But was looking at potential going to a more modern cartridge. For taking moose and caribou and bear like I do would a 300PRC be better or a 7mm? In your opinion
A Christensen… in a Backfire video???
The 6.5 PRC is PLENTY for elk. I've killed elk at reasonable ranges with a .243 Winchester. Most "hunters" these days are overgunned and underskilled.
If you needed any more reasons to not use Hornady ELDX bullets!
I thought everyone loved eldx
I do think the 6.8 western fits in that mix. It’s the same engineering purpose and design behind it. They all seem to push similar B.C. bullets for the caliber the same velocity. Even though Hornady didn’t design the 6.8 western, it hits that same spot the 7 prc does.
The only thing it has at its advantage is wind drift and is a short action. But it is a great cartridge for deer up to plains game in africa
@@Liamisdead99 here in Africa, many are switching from the .30-06, .270 or .308 they have to a 6.5 Creedmoor for everything up to the 1800lbs Eland. In my eyes, anything from 6.5x47 Lapua (even .25-06 and to SOME extent .243) up to .338 Win Mag will work great for Plains Game. So the 6.8 Western definitely falls into that category.
If you pick a good bullet (most outfitters recommend mono or bonded, not something like the ELD-X) and make sure you can shoot the rifle accurately every time... you'll have great results regardless of what you pick, really.
My personal choice goes to the .280 AI, but I wouldn't hesitate using a 6.5mm. I currently use .308 and it's plenty punch for Gemsbok.
@@marcmoore4115 I’m currently using a ruger Mkii Hawkeye 7mm 08 with 140 grain Remington core lokts and I’ve taken 4 deer with it and they drop in there tracks so I also see no problem for it for a gemsbok but a little harder to find ammo for than 308.
@@Liamisdead99 People seem to have a stigma of African game being so much tougher. Gemsbok weigh up to 240kg - I've harvested one that weighed around 230kg and have seen one that might actually top 240kg. They definitely are tough, but I don't think they are any tougher than an Elk.
When I got my .308, I was actually debating whether I go .308 or 6.5 Creed - I wanted a 7-08, but it's near impossible to find any ammo or rifles for it here in Namibia. I only chose .308 because the only 6.5 Creed ammo frequently available was Match ammo, whereas with .308 I have 4 solid options that are always available... but now that I reload, it doesn't matter anyway 😅
if you ever come to Africa for ains game, there really isn't any reason to buy something bigger than your 7-08. Many outfitters are encouraging using what you are used to and can shoot well and loading it with a good bullet.
@@Liamisdead99 The 6.8 Western is 2.955" long and won't fit in many short actions. A typical short action is closer to the length of a 308 (2.81" long). Most of the time, they both will be put in a 30-06 (3.34") action.
"Most Popular" You keep using those words.. But I don't think it means, what think it it means 😆
More videos of ELD-X separating and exploding. ELD-X is a solution for a problem that only a few people have. Shooting animals at very extreme ranges. Yet the bullet is shoved down our throats and promoted as a real hunting bullet. There really should be a disclaimer on the box stating maximum impact velocity and a minimum distance for hunting.
I can appreciate that perspective and I do see some weaknesses of the ELDX, but I don’t see how I somehow “shoved the bullet down your throat” by merely using it. Also, I should add that I’ve killed about 40 animals with the ELDX and haven’t lost one. Again, not really defending it because I don’t think it’s the best out there, but offering my experience.
The ELDX has been extremely accurate out of my rifles. I have killed 4 animals withit but I will never shoot it at a game animal again. I shot a pronghorn off hand at short range and hit bone. The bullet did not get into the chest cavity and i had to spend the next hour chasing a wounded animal before I finished him off at about 300yds. The first thing I did was apologize when I walked up to the animal.
@@backfire let me rephrase. You aren’t shoving the ELDX down our throats. Hornady is. They are an excellent company at the cutting edge of technology and they created something they are passionate about. But it has a very small use case. Seems to be the only bullet chambered in everything that is available from Hornady. All I see on the shelf from Hornady is ELDX and SST. Hornady has their own cartridges they designed and these bullets are what the are pumping out in them. People don’t research bullet construction and terminal performance. They see Precision Hunter and think, hey some accurate hunting ammo is available on the shelf. They buy it and shoot a moose or bear at 20 yards. Hornady knows that in these magnums the bullet will fail at high velocity. They didn’t design it for that. But nowhere on the box is anything telling anyone that the bullet will fail in the chambering at close distance. This is a long range bullet designed to buck wind and perform at extreme distance and it does that well, but that only solves a problem for 5 percent of hunters while creating big problems for the rest. Bullet manufacturers used to show pictures of bullets in their marketing at various impact velocity. When will Hornady show us cup and core separation and fragmentation at high velocity. If Barnes can show us failure to expand at low velocity so that the consumer can make the proper choice, then why can’t Hornady admit to bullet failure at the high velocity that the ammo produces? Hornady knows that they have a high profit margin on the ELDX with its simple cup and core construction and they know people will pay more for accuracy. So they put this very niche bullet in everything and pump out the ammo. People buy it because it’s what’s on the shelf and they trust the Hornady name and marketing. But they aren’t getting the full story and small niche the bullet was designed for.
@@jrhunt414 This is by far the best explanation I've seen for this topic. Well said.
@@marcmoore4115 Thanks hopefully Hornady sees it and simply puts some fine print on the boxes of Magnums that says something like “jacket separation may occur at close distance impact velocities over X.
7mm PRC is the ideal new heavy hitter with reasonable recoil.175 grain is like a 195 grain 308 caliber with regards to sectional density parity.
You should use all 3 rifles to test out the new Hornady CX bullets 😉
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So far my go to for bullet testing has been Frontline Rejects. They don't have a ton of videos, but a decent selection.
@@ExF1Guy I was going to mention the exact same guys. No opinions or 'this is better than that', they just shoot and show the results. I also like that they test at 100 out to 500, because it gives much better info than what many others do.
I agree but I think at the least the first ballistic gel needs to be changed out to give the test a fair comparison I think the gel is compromised after the first initial expansion upon entry.
@@KC-7mm that could possibly be, yeah. I don't know the dynamics of the gel, but my brain is telling me that it makes sense that the gel woukd react slightly differently if it already has been shot.
Lmao popular?.. you don’t even see these on the shelf.
The may penetrate similarly in ballistic gel, but when you factor in bone and such there is a big difference in penetration
In favor of what? Does the 300 prc penetrate better?
@@groundcontrol5365 absolutely, bigger round are far more likely to keep going through bone.
You should do a video on finding ammo for them
“ today we’re testing the 3 most popular hunting cartridges ” oh and if ya haven’t heard about the 7prc , well that’s cause it’s not out yet … but it’s one of the most popular hunting cartridges 🤣
I’d love to see it done with Barnes
I'd put my 257 wby blackjack 131 against all 3 of them... I pretty sure I have a Waaayyy Flatter round!!!
I always get excited when I see a backfire video on my feed!!
Bullet performance:
From my experience, there is a huge difference between the ELDX and TTSX when it comes to performance on animals. They both leave the animals dead, but I just don’t like how the ELDX separates compared to the TTSX and other Barnes and other monos. I feel like if for some reason the bullets don’t perform great, the downside of the monos seems higher than the downside of the ELDX.
I’ve seen the TTSX liquify the vitals on numerous whitetails. The ELDX dropped deer in their tracks, but didn’t have the same damage inside. I don’t know if it matters, either.
Just my opinion and experiences. I’d love to hear what others have experienced.
Finally someone shooting gel farther then some can throw a rock. Good shooting
Having taken down game with ELD-X bullets from 6.5, 7 and 300 all in PRC there is one glaring difference I have observed. The 220 grain ELD-X seems to hold together a lot better than any of the smaller ELDX (noticeable on your water jug test).. likely due to the diameter. Of all 3 rifles if ELD-X was my only option I would have to take the 300 PRC just for this reason.
I worried one of those shards would deflect into your truck.
How’s the oryx chassis?
Hardly enough difference between the 6.5 and 7 to consider them a combo. I'd pick 6.5prc if those were the only choices; You can't get 7prc ammo virtually anywhere. My actual combo is the 6.5cm (lots of factory ammo) and 300PRC, which also has ammo available.
Penetration has everything to do with the bullet. Those eldx are crap
Hornady's ELD-X bullets prove across three calibers that they are not hunting bullets.
Awesome video, thanks ! Any chance you compare 7mm PRC to 7mm Rem Mag side-by-side ?
Hornady bullet "performance" at it's peak. Jacket separations are the norm in my very limited experience with them (limited because I only hunted with them once and won't ever again). In my opinion there ballistic tip bullets are target bullets no matter how they market them.
How are U only getting 2860 on the 300prc with the 212 factory ammo
I’ve got the Ridgeline I’m running 2905
45fps could just be atmospherics/altitude.
What have we learned ? How does the 300 compare to the 30 RUM
😅Jim, I have had a great experience watching and reading your content for years - just fun and informative.
I am stoked about the 7PRC. It must have cost you family serious cash just getting ammo not to mention the rifle.
Have you been seeing ammo for it yet? I hate waiting. Again thanks from So. Oregon
Still nothing that impresses me enough to consider getting rid of my 7mm Rem Mag and 7mm-08. One for longer range and one for in the woods and I’ve pretty much got North America covered.
We really are coming to a new age of next generation developments in both firearms and ammunition technology. We seem to hit this evolution in each generation. Muzzle loaders to breech loaders. To repeaters with cased ammo, to bolt actions with spitzer bullets. To intermediate rifles and cartridges, to rifles taking electronic optics and ammunition with performances that absolutely blows the previous generations out of the water.
Jeez. Now I need 2 more rifles… 🤔
Thanks for the great comparisons and discussion.
Exactly what I was hoping for!
I am looking for bison and elk round. Should I go 7prc or 300prc? Is there one better to reload over the other.
I would like to see a comparison of the different calibers from a 20" barrel. Browning just released their suppressor ready X-bolt in a 20" that you can get in a 6.8 Western, but I'm not that impressed with the X-bolt. I would like to see a comparison of a few different calibers like 7 Saum, 6.5 prc, and 7 prc, and 6.8 western out of a 20" barrel with a suppressor to see if it's worth getting a different rifle with a custom barrel made.
It’s telling how confident you are in your shooting with how close your truck is to your target. Nice video as always my friend.
From 100m away I should hope he doesn't hit a truck! Should be trying for sub 0.5MOA 😉
@@redrock425 Hitting directly I wouldn't worry. However you never know where the bullet goes after it hits a target, especially something like a hammer.
Would love to see the same test with Nosler accubonds or partitions.
Would kill the ELD-X I bet!
Try Accubonds
Is your spreadsheet with ballistic info public? Of is there one? thx and keep up the content.
I currently use a 30-06 for Elk. Looking to upgrade to a custom light weight gun.. what would you choose? 7PRC? I’m struggling with this decision!
I must admit that I am a little jealous of your 7PRC!
I have a 6.5PRC Springfield Armory Model 2020 Waypoint w/ Zeiss LRP S5 5-25X56
And a 300PRC Fierce Carbon Rival w/ Kahles K525i 5-25X56
I hope to have a 7PRC soon!
I mean you’re doing just fine on the rifle category lol
@@lessforloans I agree. The difference between wants and needs is the size of a mans wallet
I see your shooting the 6.5prc rival.
Did you get the sticky bolt- extraction issues resolved?
I’m in the market for a new rifle and I am considering a Fierce.
So where does the 6.8 western fall? It's a lot like these cartridges ie short action, high twist rate, great bc (if you get the most modern+heavy bullets).
If I add a good muzzle brake (HAWG?) to a 7mm PRC, would that be comparable to the recoil of a 6.5 PRC without a brake?
I have shot out 300wm and would that action be too long for the 7mm prc?
Sure I saw you just need to rebarrel a 300WM to 7 PRC, same bolt face. Mag length ideal for long 7mm bullets.
I have the exact Fierce carbon rival you have but in 7 Rem mag 24 inch barrel, with the same vortex razor 3-15×50 LHT. I use American Rifle Co. rings.
Balls of steel to have a whole truck downrange
It’s videos like this that convinced me to buy a rifle in each of these calibers.
I know this is a year old. I have been looking at the 6.5 PRC to replace my 6.5x55SE on a Tikka T3 action. However, I may end up going with a 6.5-06AI just so I don't have to mess with the bolt face. Good luck and stay safe!!! 😉😉😉
Confidence is high in shooting that close to the truck!
How do you like that MPR? It's the only Christensen Arms rifle I'm really interested in getting, but CA quality control scares me away from really wanting to pursue buying one.
Very nice to see a video shooting out at distance with gel. Thanks for the work, enjoy the warmish weather in St. George!
I thought this looked local lol
7 PRC is exactly the 7mm cartridge I have been waiting for. I never liked the design of the 7mm Rem Mag.
The larger diameter bullet (300 PRC) has more surface area from which to transfer its energy into the water jugs, which helps make the explosive ball of water larger than with the smaller bullets. Lager mass (more stored energy) is certainly a contributing factor as well.
Great video, I’m looking at getting a new rifle mainly going to hunt deer moose and black bear max distance of shot will be 400 yards but most shots would be within 200 yards. I’m looking at .308, 30-06 6.5 prc or 7.5 prc… with this said I would prefer something with less recoil but at the same time I don’t want to wonder if something comes out at 300 yards if I have enough juice. Any suggestions ?
7 PRC wound channel in gel looked wicked
Love the 7prc, wish Hornady brought out a nice high BC bonded bullet. I like how the ELD range flies, but up close at high velocity they’re too explosive at times. I use the 160gr accubond in my 7mm rem mag and it always leaves a perfect mushroom even up very close on deer and will perform well out to 500. A nice 175-180gr bonded Bullet from Hornady would make the 7mm Prc a machine
Great review!!! Thank you 😃👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Best long range (1000yds+) rifle cartidge, 300prc. Best sporting rifle cartidge, debatable. Thats what i got out of the video. So if its debatable, 300prc all the way
I'm amazed that shrapnel didn't go through ur car you parked so close
I load the barnes 200 grain lrx bullets over h1000 at 3080 fps, hot, safe load, compressed load, in my win mag, no pressure signs, im sure im real close . I bet i could have that 300 prc shooting the 200s around 3300, every bit of it, probly another compressed, hot load, im good about checking for pressure signs, working my way up slow for my load
I wish I had those calibers available here in Brazil,😢Best regards from Brazil 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
Good choice on Preferred Barrels for your 7mm. I have one on a sporter-weight .25-06 Imp. and it's a KILLER barrel.
I'd like to see ENERGY comparison max. 1500 Ft-lbs for elk... which one is more EFFECTIVE the farthest out.
Can you compare your 7 prc recoil to 6.8 Western?
Gotta watch this got my Tikka and my VX Freedom because of your channel and I trust your testing more than anyone else
First no one talking about how Hornady bullet didn't hold up in first round??? Or how our vlogger didn't think about the velocity range of that bullet and how it would perform on the water..... You didn't get true penetration because the bullets got shredded.... Do better
7mm PRC? Color me intrigued.
Well the 350 Legend will do 6 jugs. Lower fps drives deep. Very high fps rips bullets apart. Also killing better at long range.
Same Christensen MPR I have! Beast I love it
PRC exist because Hornady wants to make more bank lol but they are great, ty for the test it's fun to watch !
BS the 300 PRC has more range than 7mm PRC. The 7mm PRC didn’t do well at a mile like 300 win mag. The 300 win mag did better job than 7mm PRC
Also..... just figured out that the tube of the you had un-subscribed me...... been watching and subscribed for ever!
three most popular? total bs but yes good cartridges and uses just usual PR marketing bs claims, How can they be most popular if you own only one in 7 you claim which also is bs how did hornady produce it lol great video showing actual penetration etc useful data well done
I've watch the gel test personally the 6.8 gel looks like just as good as 7prc
Useless comparison. These three rounds are so far apart they are clearly advantages and disadvantages to each.
Incorrect about the first rifle etc. People have had before commercial production of the round being available for sale to the public hell a little killed a Bear and was the first to hunt and shoot a animal with the round as a commercial round
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Bless you jim been doing alot of testing with 300 prc vs 30-378 wby mag