Dave, many PHEVs have battery maintenance cycles that charge the battery from the ICE to prevent the low battery damage scenario you mentioned in the video. So even if there are those who choose not to charge by pluging in the car will be travelling round with battery capacity, it will just leech the charge from the fossil-fuel. This makes the MPG of a PHEV worse than a ICE/HEV (and certainely the MPGe of a BEV), this is one reason that those who seek a PHEV (particularly from a few years ago when home chargers were included) probably do charge otherwise they can see the imapct at the fuel-pump too clearly.
Headed down from Halifax to Dartford on the A1 today, we were both knocked out by how many Tesla charging places there are now, we stopped for lunch and plugged up, must have been 18+ Tesla chargers plus a whole bunch of Gridserve ones as well. The UK seems to be really well served for chargers. Also passed a really weird boxy looking EV, it was a Ford badged up 'Capri' I couldn't stop laughing thinking back to my pride and joy 3 Litre diamond white with black vinyl roofed stunning vehicle to this 'thing' I think Ford are having a laugh!, I wonder if it's got an 8-track still ?
VW had a press event at the British Motor Museum. On a TH-cam video a blogger showed the sat nav of a 2024 car which said the pre 2016 name of the museum - Heritage Motor Centre!
Dave, when I had a PHEV I was getting over 600mpg as it ran almost exclusively on the battery. I had to force the engine on now and again to circulate the oil.
Exactly the problem with Hybrids. Carrying an engine around for the maintenance and the security of range that you never need if you match your BEV to your needs.
@@daveryder4430 You definitely weren't getting 600mpg, regardless of what the car tells you. What you were actually getting was a certain number of mpkWh likely around 2.5 to 3 depending on which PHEV you owned. Then when the battery was depleted and the engine kicked back in you were driving as a regular hybrid doing around 50mpg.
It sounds like even a cheap, low-range, BEV would have met your typical needs and without the weight and maintenance requirements that come from the ICE part of a PHEV.
I never liked VW group vehicles after I'd bought an Audi A6. It broke down with a coil issue after 12 months. It was taken to an Audi garage in Manchester where there were 102 vehicles with exactly the same problem. The recovery driver said, "The problem is the only thing VW group are good at is telling the world how good they are..... Their cars are crap.
Could be really interested in an ID2 but it is not coming for at least 12 mths ! ID3 is horrible. So swapping Golf (12 yr old) for a X-Cross against my better judgement. Fingers crossed we can still buy petrol in 10 years time. Nearly managed to get her into a Kia EV3 but the B pillar is too far forward so she can't see out over shoulder when the seat is forward for her short legs. Bit fundamental.
Maybe try an inster (hyundai) for sitting position? (Kia and Hyundai is one factory...same as peugeot and citroen) The inster comes (in mainland europe) this month at the dealers.
You talk absolute rubbish. We have a Phev with a 30-35 mile battery only range. We charge it every other day and fill the petrol tank 2 or 3 times a year. You're implying people are clueless to the way to get the best out of a Phev. And as for ICE sales being zero by 2030 ?? Listen to yourself.
The Salesforce given a hybrid to drive mostly never plugin, their day is powered by petrol only, infact the cord sits in its new wrapper for the entire lease.
That’s the problem with hybrids. You’re carrying around an engine for the maintenance and perceived security of range that you never need if you get the right BEV.
Reports have suggested that a lot of people had a PHEV as a company vehicle for the BIK incentives, these are the same people who it was reported typically weren't charging them. As a good proportion of PHEV sales have been through fleet you can see where the idea that a lot of PHEV owners don't charge them. I think the figure I had seen was around 60% of PHEV drivers had never actually charged them.
@@paulweston1106 it's the same bullshit we've been fed for decades. 1990's diesels are great they're the future. Now they're demonised. 2000's EVs are the future, free public charging, no road tax etc etc. Now charging is more expensive than fuel, taxed the same as ICE vehicles, will have to pay ULEZ like every other vehicle. It's all utter bullshit. EVs are more expensive, more depreciation, more expensive to run if you can't charge at home. Range 30% less than claimed, charging infrastructure diabolical.
I've had a VW ID7 for 4 months and it perfectly demonstrates where VW are going wrong. Quality has been pared back noticeably vs previous efforts, but the real crime is the mess they've made of the most used touch points. The basics (door locking, window switches, lighting controls) are frustrating to use. This is all the stuff VW used to excel at. Its a decent car, drives and rides well and has a ton of space, but when you sully your point of difference to save a few quid, theres nothing left to differentiate you from everyone else.....
VW Bets the house on *Being A Premium Brand FTFY Couldn't stress enough how disappointing the execution of the ID BUZZ has been, unnecessarily poshed up and overengineered, it's basically a Porsche van in the most antithetically-volkswagen way possible. Entry level SWB that costs over €50,000 with only 5 seats? The Opel Frontier/Citroën ëC3, Citroën ëBerlingo and ëSpacetourer or even the new VW Caddy and Transporter/Ford Transit are more competitive and less cynical.
People still ride horses, so my 129 year old investments in coaching inns should still be good .... would still be good if people hadn't already stopped drinking beer ......
One of the biggest negatives to ev purchases is all the driver aids & gadgets that most drivers dont want. Strip the 'high tech' out & reduce the prices. What was wrong with , tape & cd players!
Those exact same aids are found on newly released hybrid and pure petrol models too, they are needed to ace the NCAP and equivalent American safety tests. People like to moan about them nannying them and disagreeing with how they work and being dangerous, but the fact is they work and they work well. Yes it is annoying when your car tries to take away you away from the path you deliberately chose, but unless you have pathetically weak wrists its easily overrridden and corrected.
My thoughts...Skoda will go down with VAG. Or will survive when VAG servives. I agree that those vag cars are the best price-value offers from the VAG concern. Unfortunate for VAG... I choose another company which makes EV's with less (software) issues. The kia-hyundai group. Already a lot of choices in BEV from them.
I like desktop PCs, you can repair and upgrade them unlike you're throw away phone , laptop, i pad etc. Just like an ice car. That's why EV's are disposable white goods too tech heavy, unable to repair , and obsolete in a few years. Not very green are they when you need to keep replacing them every 5 years or the technology is out of date ( like you said about VW in this video Dave) , but great for the manufacturer reeling you in for the upgrade to your white goods vehicle.
You are aware of the irony of stating a EV won't last five year on a video where the creator has a nine year old EV and stated this explicitly in the very video you've comment on.
@GruffSillyGoat yes but it's not going to last much longer, bet it doesn't make 12 years before the battery pack..packs up making it uneconomical to repair. A good ice will do 20 years plus if maintained, and longer. Do you think people will be driving Tesla's in 40 years time like people now love an escort, Capri, or an old Jag ...No can't see it Can't tinker with an old Tesla you're likely suffer a fatal electrocution 😂
@@the_none_believer - In the UK the average car scrapage age is 14, set by ICEV ot date, so reducing numbers after that and following the bell curve very few make it to 20 years (particularly more modern ones with plastic engine parts). The repair side is skill dependent, being a electrical engineer by trade I'm more comfortable repairing an EV than the mechanical side of an ICEV, both of which these day are plug-&-play module replacements jobs in any case. As transport electrify a similar shift will occur in the maintenance skillset, as is already being trained with today's apprentices. You won't suffer electrocution as the vehicles have safety lockout mechanisms, and if working on the HV components one pulls the master fuse in any case, which isolates the battery from the rest of the vehicle. In ways it's safer than a high current 12v battery, which can launch you across the room if acidentally touching any bare conduting parts.
Whose replacing an EV every five years? Most will come with a warranty that is longer than that; there are already EVs on the road that are older than 10 years that are going strong, there is someone out there with a Tesla that has 430k miles on it with the original battery. Recent research has suggested the batteries should give at least 20 years of average use. It's interesting how the anti-EV brigade likes to refer to EVs as appliances, something I sort of agree with, but I would also say that a good proportion of modern vehicles regardless of how they are powered are little more than appliances these days. The consolidation of manufacturers and ever more demanding legislation has resulted in bland designs with little to distinguish brands. Driver aides and safety features have made cars easier to drive and a lot of people see a car as being little more than something that gets them from where they are to where they want to be.
@@the_none_believer There is someone driving a Tesla model S with 1.2m miles on the clock, it has had both motor and battery replacements. That would be around 100 years of average milage. I can't see many people driving a 40-year-old Tesla but similarly I can't see many people driving a 40-yeal-old ICE Qashqai or Juke either.
😂 UK's version complete with bugs errors and glitches. Hold on Byd produce literally 50 % of their 3 million cars as phev . no one knows the future but change is certain
Why's that? Research has shown that the variable charge and discharge cycles of EV's regenerative braking is having a remarkable effect on their longevity as opposed to a constant current regime.
@@leegoodman297 How long have they been testing these batteries and can you name any ‘research’ documents that state that EV batteries from a decade ago will last twenty or thirty years?
@@Brian-om2hh There will be no private motoring for the masses in the very near future. That includes EVs, too. They are just a temporary measure to get us off the road.
Nice one Dave, VW need plenty of luck to make this work for them. I hoope for their sakes that they manage to get EV;s that are cheaper.
Dave, many PHEVs have battery maintenance cycles that charge the battery from the ICE to prevent the low battery damage scenario you mentioned in the video. So even if there are those who choose not to charge by pluging in the car will be travelling round with battery capacity, it will just leech the charge from the fossil-fuel. This makes the MPG of a PHEV worse than a ICE/HEV (and certainely the MPGe of a BEV), this is one reason that those who seek a PHEV (particularly from a few years ago when home chargers were included) probably do charge otherwise they can see the imapct at the fuel-pump too clearly.
Headed down from Halifax to Dartford on the A1 today, we were both knocked out by how many Tesla charging places there are now, we stopped for lunch and plugged up, must have been 18+ Tesla chargers plus a whole bunch of Gridserve ones as well. The UK seems to be really well served for chargers. Also passed a really weird boxy looking EV, it was a Ford badged up 'Capri' I couldn't stop laughing thinking back to my pride and joy 3 Litre diamond white with black vinyl roofed stunning vehicle to this 'thing' I think Ford are having a laugh!, I wonder if it's got an 8-track still ?
VW had a press event at the British Motor Museum. On a TH-cam video a blogger showed the sat nav of a 2024 car which said the pre 2016 name of the museum - Heritage Motor Centre!
Dave, when I had a PHEV I was getting over 600mpg as it ran almost exclusively on the battery. I had to force the engine on now and again to circulate the oil.
Exactly the problem with Hybrids. Carrying an engine around for the maintenance and the security of range that you never need if you match your BEV to your needs.
@@daveryder4430 You definitely weren't getting 600mpg, regardless of what the car tells you. What you were actually getting was a certain number of mpkWh likely around 2.5 to 3 depending on which PHEV you owned. Then when the battery was depleted and the engine kicked back in you were driving as a regular hybrid doing around 50mpg.
It sounds like even a cheap, low-range, BEV would have met your typical needs and without the weight and maintenance requirements that come from the ICE part of a PHEV.
I never liked VW group vehicles after I'd bought an Audi A6. It broke down with a coil issue after 12 months. It was taken to an Audi garage in Manchester where there were 102 vehicles with exactly the same problem. The recovery driver said, "The problem is the only thing VW group are good at is telling the world how good they are..... Their cars are crap.
VW CEO is crying in his mansion and RR. The salty tears lands on his plate full of goose liver and caviar. Poor guy
Could be really interested in an ID2 but it is not coming for at least 12 mths ! ID3 is horrible. So swapping Golf (12 yr old) for a X-Cross against my better judgement. Fingers crossed we can still buy petrol in 10 years time. Nearly managed to get her into a Kia EV3 but the B pillar is too far forward so she can't see out over shoulder when the seat is forward for her short legs. Bit fundamental.
Maybe try an inster (hyundai) for sitting position? (Kia and Hyundai is one factory...same as peugeot and citroen)
The inster comes (in mainland europe) this month at the dealers.
Skoda elroq looks like a good alternative
You talk absolute rubbish.
We have a Phev with a 30-35 mile battery only range.
We charge it every other day and fill the petrol tank 2 or 3 times a year.
You're implying people are clueless to the way to get the best out of a Phev.
And as for ICE sales being zero by 2030 ??
Listen to yourself.
The Salesforce given a hybrid to drive mostly never plugin, their day is powered by petrol only, infact the cord sits in its new wrapper for the entire lease.
That’s the problem with hybrids. You’re carrying around an engine for the maintenance and perceived security of range that you never need if you get the right BEV.
@grahamkearnon6682 A Phev isn't suitable as a company vehicle. It's a second car and second car only. Company car is diesel and diesel only.
Reports have suggested that a lot of people had a PHEV as a company vehicle for the BIK incentives, these are the same people who it was reported typically weren't charging them. As a good proportion of PHEV sales have been through fleet you can see where the idea that a lot of PHEV owners don't charge them. I think the figure I had seen was around 60% of PHEV drivers had never actually charged them.
@@paulweston1106 it's the same bullshit we've been fed for decades.
1990's diesels are great they're the future. Now they're demonised.
2000's EVs are the future, free public charging, no road tax etc etc.
Now charging is more expensive than fuel, taxed the same as ICE vehicles, will have to pay ULEZ like every other vehicle.
It's all utter bullshit.
EVs are more expensive, more depreciation, more expensive to run if you can't charge at home. Range 30% less than claimed, charging infrastructure diabolical.
I've had a VW ID7 for 4 months and it perfectly demonstrates where VW are going wrong. Quality has been pared back noticeably vs previous efforts, but the real crime is the mess they've made of the most used touch points. The basics (door locking, window switches, lighting controls) are frustrating to use. This is all the stuff VW used to excel at. Its a decent car, drives and rides well and has a ton of space, but when you sully your point of difference to save a few quid, theres nothing left to differentiate you from everyone else.....
Thanks for this
VW Bets the house on *Being A Premium Brand
FTFY
Couldn't stress enough how disappointing the execution of the ID BUZZ has been, unnecessarily poshed up and overengineered, it's basically a Porsche van in the most antithetically-volkswagen way possible. Entry level SWB that costs over €50,000 with only 5 seats? The Opel Frontier/Citroën ëC3, Citroën ëBerlingo and ëSpacetourer or even the new VW Caddy and Transporter/Ford Transit are more competitive and less cynical.
The axeing of the eUP! and the upmarket orientation of Skoda says it all too.
Sounds like you would be better off with a BEV.
People still ride horses, so my 129 year old investments in coaching inns should still be good .... would still be good if people hadn't already stopped drinking beer ......
Why are you copying points of view can't you do your own video
One of the biggest negatives to ev purchases is all the driver aids & gadgets that most drivers dont want. Strip the 'high tech' out & reduce the prices. What was wrong with , tape & cd players!
Those exact same aids are found on newly released hybrid and pure petrol models too, they are needed to ace the NCAP and equivalent American safety tests. People like to moan about them nannying them and disagreeing with how they work and being dangerous, but the fact is they work and they work well. Yes it is annoying when your car tries to take away you away from the path you deliberately chose, but unless you have pathetically weak wrists its easily overrridden and corrected.
What tech would you suggest removing that people don't want and what do you think it would save?
Dave what do you think will happen to Skoda?….they seem to be making some of VW groups best electric cars at the moment
Why ask Dave, how would he know.
My thoughts...Skoda will go down with VAG.
Or will survive when VAG servives.
I agree that those vag cars are the best price-value offers from the VAG concern.
Unfortunate for VAG...
I choose another company which makes EV's with less (software) issues. The kia-hyundai group.
Already a lot of choices in BEV from them.
I like desktop PCs, you can repair and upgrade them unlike you're throw away phone , laptop, i pad etc. Just like an ice car. That's why EV's are disposable white goods too tech heavy, unable to repair , and obsolete in a few years. Not very green are they when you need to keep replacing them every 5 years or the technology is out of date ( like you said about VW in this video Dave) , but great for the manufacturer reeling you in for the upgrade to your white goods vehicle.
You are aware of the irony of stating a EV won't last five year on a video where the creator has a nine year old EV and stated this explicitly in the very video you've comment on.
@GruffSillyGoat yes but it's not going to last much longer, bet it doesn't make 12 years before the battery pack..packs up making it uneconomical to repair. A good ice will do 20 years plus if maintained, and longer. Do you think people will be driving Tesla's in 40 years time like people now love an escort, Capri, or an old Jag ...No can't see it Can't tinker with an old Tesla you're likely suffer a fatal electrocution 😂
@@the_none_believer - In the UK the average car scrapage age is 14, set by ICEV ot date, so reducing numbers after that and following the bell curve very few make it to 20 years (particularly more modern ones with plastic engine parts).
The repair side is skill dependent, being a electrical engineer by trade I'm more comfortable repairing an EV than the mechanical side of an ICEV, both of which these day are plug-&-play module replacements jobs in any case. As transport electrify a similar shift will occur in the maintenance skillset, as is already being trained with today's apprentices.
You won't suffer electrocution as the vehicles have safety lockout mechanisms, and if working on the HV components one pulls the master fuse in any case, which isolates the battery from the rest of the vehicle. In ways it's safer than a high current 12v battery, which can launch you across the room if acidentally touching any bare conduting parts.
Whose replacing an EV every five years? Most will come with a warranty that is longer than that; there are already EVs on the road that are older than 10 years that are going strong, there is someone out there with a Tesla that has 430k miles on it with the original battery. Recent research has suggested the batteries should give at least 20 years of average use.
It's interesting how the anti-EV brigade likes to refer to EVs as appliances, something I sort of agree with, but I would also say that a good proportion of modern vehicles regardless of how they are powered are little more than appliances these days. The consolidation of manufacturers and ever more demanding legislation has resulted in bland designs with little to distinguish brands. Driver aides and safety features have made cars easier to drive and a lot of people see a car as being little more than something that gets them from where they are to where they want to be.
@@the_none_believer There is someone driving a Tesla model S with 1.2m miles on the clock, it has had both motor and battery replacements. That would be around 100 years of average milage.
I can't see many people driving a 40-year-old Tesla but similarly I can't see many people driving a 40-yeal-old ICE Qashqai or Juke either.
The UK's version of the Electric Viking. Deluded
😂 UK's version complete with bugs errors and glitches. Hold on Byd produce literally 50 % of their 3 million cars as phev . no one knows the future but change is certain
More propaganda from the EV shill.
Ice cars do not extend your tinky winky mate.
Glad to hear that you spent your time wisely!
That’s right, VW are in a wonderful state and the globe is thriving in a wonderful way too.
@@TheGalantirweirdo. P off.
My Tesla battery will last for another 10 to 20 years on top of the 10 years stop making stuff up that you clearly know nothing about wow
And you do? Proof? Or wind?
Ive unsubscribed to your nonsense bye
Expecting your nine year old Tesla’s battery to “likely” last “another ten or twenty years” is delusional.
Why's that? Research has shown that the variable charge and discharge cycles of EV's regenerative braking is having a remarkable effect on their longevity as opposed to a constant current regime.
Anyone still expecting to be able to buy gas/petrol easily in another twenty years, might also be said to be delusional...
@@leegoodman297 How long have they been testing these batteries and can you name any ‘research’ documents that state that EV batteries from a decade ago will last twenty or thirty years?
Loads of >400,000 mile Teslas around and >200,000 miles on original battery is common place. Once again demonstarting how little you know about EVs
@@Brian-om2hh There will be no private motoring for the masses in the very near future. That includes EVs, too. They are just a temporary measure to get us off the road.