Dear Meta, PLEASE Listen to the VR Community
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this video I take off my "Professional" hat and really call out where I think Meta's Metaverse has gone wrong- and right. This is not meant to be me trashing on Meta, but instead calling out where i think they can be better for the VR space.
Meta has recently laid off 11,000 employees, lost 70% of it's value within a year (a total of $700,000,000,000 of worth), and has had to cancel many projects- leading to Mark Zuckerberg apologizing that he "was wrong"
Really a lot of Meta's ambitions have been to artificially pump up sales of the Quest 2- which is fine, except it has resulted in their flagship platform becoming abandoned. So this video, whether you have a Quest 2, Quest, Rift, Index, or even if you don't have VR yet- lays down where they could be better in the future.
I hope you enjoy.
Much love
Also a new track as the outro, I hope you like it!
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 THIS IS MY OPEN LETTER TO META
01:03 THE GOOD STUFF
03:08 WHERE DID IT GO SO WRONG?
04:35 The REAL Problem at Meta
07:53 WHY DID YOU KILL OCULUS?
10:14 Quests are sitting on shelves collecting dust
12:03 Looking back at the issues
13:12 SO META- WATCH THIS
15:49 "Putting the "Professional Hat" Back on - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
I take off the "Professional Hat" and just be really honest this video. I'm glad I got this off my chest. I hope things can change. Also new track in the outro. Hopefully you like it- releasing soon :)
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Did you reupload the video ? Or is it just me.
@@thearrow9018 yes he did
should i get a ocolus quest 2? ( i dont know if its worth getting a vr headset)
@@octaviosilva4895 it’s always worth it to try it out, shoot Best Buy has a return policy if you don’t like it.
Where's Tuesday Newsday? it wasn't there last week
Brilliantly said. The core VR community, the core users... we just love this awesome technology and see it grow. Meta has done so much because of Mark's passion FOR virtual reality, and I'm blown away by how open, heartfelt, and honest you were in addressing him and what you believe he needs to hear to keep it all going in a good direction.
We Are VR!
I discovered your channel yesterday and now binging your vids lol
VR WHO WE ARE!
I have a personal dream setup that I am currently saving up to build, mostly for personal multi media/mixed media projects, and a decently powerful, open source (software and hardware) VR/AR headset is one of the main elements of that setup!
I’ve only used my family’s Quest 2 a few times for VR Chat, but I REALLY want to own a headset of my own! I agree with everything in this video, and you both are so inspiring for someone like me who is STILL looking for a VR headset!
I hope whatever the future holds, that VR can still be the computing system of the future! As much as I tend to get nervous about big corporations owning and running so many things, I too don’t want Meta to pull the plug on everything, and keep hindering their good progress with bad decisions! I hope they do see this video or at least get the message that they need to (and still can) build a safe, welcoming, open source, and community-first “metaverse” or something similar!
I’d honestly love to occasionally use AR glasses to play AR games and help make my day a bit more interactive! But I’d be over the freaking moon if I can use those same glasses to make a custom, silly, interactive multimedia world out of my own environment, and using my own custom art, animation, videos, and more!
TL;DR:
Thrill, Phia, you two are helping me stay motivated and up to date on VR and similar tech, and I’m so excited for when I finally can own a VR/AR headset, (currently, I have my eyes set on the NREAL glasses. But I’d love a headset for full immersive experiences!) and I hope this medium can live on! Not just for games, but I really want to both see, and make, some VR, and AR movies! I just want to say thank you for keeping the spirit of VR and the like, alive! I’m rooting for you and all of VR and AR! Not just for my sake or your sake, but everyone!!!
In your own words:
WE R VR!
I prefer realty to vr
Typo seems to have occurred here, "Mark's passion for" ((money))
I’m incredibly glad that Thrill is sharing his genuine take on what’s going on with the entire VR industry. Things have been fairly rocky lately and it’s nice to see someone genuinely talking about it. So, thank you Thrill, for talking about the problem and not just ignoring it.
It’s hard to disagree with anything he said. I was so optimistic when I got a Q2 a year ago but there’s so few PC games worth playing and the headset goes unused for weeks on end.
Hmmmm
Most of the shareholders didn't even know how bad the metaverse was until a streamer rt game played it and caused the stocks to go down (unintentionally) another 15% (I think)
@@hacktheegg that's most likely a coincidence but it's funny anyways.
Zucc's focus on corporate VR doesn't make sense. VR main core audience is gamers. No one in the right mind would wear a VR headset just to sit in a virtual office 9-5. Sure, it enables 3D collaboration (useful for 3D modeling related), but there's a reason why smartphone/any flat screen are still the preferred way for communication. You don't even need to wear anything to communicate.
This feels the same as how wrong Microsoft was about tablet being the future, and Windows 8 flopped because of it. IDK who Zucc is trying to please with his vision of the metaverse, but this is just out of touch and ridiculously absurd.
If he wants to get more people in VR, he should've released Pro and Quest 3 at the same time, and make sure that people know what they are for; one is for Enterprise, and another is for gamers or casual users. Releasing Pro separately from Quest 3 hurts VR because it creates confusion among the general public.
The”point” of the Metaverse is to spy on and package every aspect of your life.
I don´t give a fuck about my data.....carpe diem....life is too short!!!!
That's Mark's idea of a Metaverse. What we meant is the *Original* idea of metaverse, one where people could connect and create. Although at this point, I guess the word has lost its meaning due to meta's unrelentless advertising of the word.
@@AperturePsychologyIncorporatedwhich is actually the point. Because this video's premise is that Zuckerberg cares about VR. Its true that they've thrown a fortune at it, but that doesn't mean they know what they're doing. They've NEVER been in touch with the user. They have always had two bottom lines: amass wealth (check) support NSA activity and global information dominance (check)... From Zuck's perspective, they're fully on point.
The actual question is... why did anyone expect anything different from a Facebook with a different name?
@@theloner6063 yes!
@@theloner6063finally someone said it. As long as i’m not losing life savings I don’t really care. I have other things to worry about
Witnessing the recent developments of VR especially under Meta has been the equivalent of being at a luxurious dinner party. Most of you got to the party early and at the table. You are LOVING what they're bringing out from the kitchen. You've seen a few big dishes come out and you're like "This is so awesome! They're still coming out with more plates! What's next?"
But then Mark is there, barely paying attention to the dishes being set down. He's got this cupcake that somehow got off to the corner of the room. Now look, hardly if any of the guests at the table have been saying they want desert. At least not now. What they got is what they're loving, and there are still some seats to be filled at that table. This dinner party is impressive and it can be a whole lot more!
Mark WANTS that cupcake though, but not for himself. He wants YOU to want it. He doesn't care if he's hired brilliant chefs and cooks. He doesn't care that people got into this party for reasons completely outside eating a cupcake. And now it seems like half that other food we were hoping for ain't coming. He doesn't care that you came. That you've been around. Just that he gets everyone to accept the damn cupcake, especially the people who haven't been caring about the dishes so much to begin with.
"Well I was coming out here to pick up a cupcake"
Meta isn’t “crumbling”. What a dumb video. I own 100k in stock with META and bet it will succeed
Nice analogy, fck Mark
Insanely accurate analogy
@@pierbertone2957 a bit abstract though
What I hate about Meta's "Metaverse" is that people in my environment hear about it and think it is synonymous with VR. And it is really hurting. I used to have people over and tell them "Want to try VR" and some would say "oh, yeah, I always wanted to try that" or some others have not heard of it and both were usually happy about the experience afterward. These days people will say "oh, is that the Metaverse thing that's apparently so bad?" and come in with a negative opinion of it, and that usually impacts their play because they will try to find "bad things" (framerate stutters, low resolution or low texture quality) and inflate them to "this is horrible, I could never spend my working day in this". The overall opinion is now negative instead of the wonder I would usually see.
Mark, please let this ecosystem go into the future dynamically and with the right hardware and don't force the future you see onto hardware that's not quite there yet. Also, don't lock this ecosystem down to be yours, because that will sink the VR industry, because Meta alone cannot do the necessary technology jumps to make VR truely great and maybe even indistinguishable from the real world.
Yeah I do as well, specially when people started talking about the new metaverse as a space for selling and buying digital land as if it were NFTs, I cringed so hard when it started to be trendy only to die out before it even started
Yea, I first tried VR and got hooked. and I love what the Quest 2 is capable of, I've tried it with PCVR, and as a standalone. I don't have a spare room I can dedicate to VR so it is nice when everything I need is I the headset. Just move some furniture and boom, a VR session is created. I hate the idea of having to set up extra parts to use an Index, or a Vive, especially because I want to bring VR everywhere, because I have access to huge spaces at work camp, and the hotel that are 5 to 10 times larger than anything I have at home. And all I could do is bring just the headset, and maybe a gaming laptop or PS5(for the PSVR2). I haven't gone in and bought one yet and the issues with Meta are partly why, I don't want a $500 paperweight because the headset will never again be able to connect and log in. the PICO 4 will likely be banned in my country when it's parent company TikTok is banned. Which leaves the Vive Focus 3 as the last standalone headset left. The most expensive VR set and the least supported, low selection of games. Perhaps with enough elbow grease we can "hack" the quest 2 to work without Meta or any login sever and it can be kept out of the LANDFILL after meta kills itself.
@@netook8 Setting up PCVR is worth it and things that are worth it take a little extra work. Honestly it's not that hard either.
I don’t know, I think meta could handle the technology part by themselves.
The part they can’t do is making awesome games.
Yeah, nah. It’s not here yet. It’s the perpetual spaces and instances combined. You’ll know it’s here when you, in your sleek XR glasses look to a brick and mortar and see the 3D advertisements that don’t actually exist in the real world.
I really hope Mark see's this video. He really needs to, I bet he would get inspired and come up with solutions rather than loopholes for once. There is a lot of potential with Meta, if he tries to use it.
😂 no mark will not come to his senses.
but tbh it will not help, Meta needs to fire Mark, oh wait...
I would wana ask mark if he ever played vrchat then have him explain to me why he thought the junk that is horizons was even thought about releasing with a straight face...
After buying so many Quest games over Steam, im very dissapointed with Mark not bringing enough exclusive quest games. Im no longer buying Quest version anymore. Im going for Steam from now on
You nailed it. I just sold my Quest 2 with the case and power strap on eBay. After owning it for a year. It was the coolest thing at first. I am a huge walking dead fan, but recycling the same game over and over. I have switched back to counsel but on P.C. for my first time. And I'm loving it.
Same
I feel the exact same way. I was an early adaptor, I absolutely loved it in 2016/2017. Whenever someone came over family or friends I would always show off VR and generally people were blown away. I was the core user and probably inspired several people to buy a headset. If content continued I would have no issue spending an insane amount of money to support it. But the content quickly dried up and now I barely play anything. The new Quest Pro was pretty much the last straw for me. A new VR headset dedicated to business users, wtf?? Zuck sees VR as the next social media platform. I don't see the issue of VR always being a niche part of the market. Spend the time and money making it more immersive, better graphics, innovate, make it fun. Instead we get to have meetings in the metaverse. I've had almost every headset, every top VR game, probably two years saying how great VR was, and spent 1000's of dollars. I don't regret any of that but I definitely feel abandoned.
I really hope someone at meta sees this. They need to listen to all parts of the community. Not just part they pay to praise them
i guarantee you meta employees watch this channel and sooner or later this video will get to mark, but the question is if he listens.
Spam their twitter accounts with it
@@DaedricJohnson no that’s not a good idea
@@TabularJoker why not?
@@umbratherios5614 It will most likely backfire, resulting in damaging Thrill's reputation and potentially other negative consequences
Brilliant video. This is the first video about Metaverse that I’ve ever watched with not just adequate information but heartfelt emotions and immaculate suggestions. You actually made me feel really bad for all the VR fans out there and also so frustrated with how badly Meta messed it all up. You just earned a sub!
My first video I’m watching of yours and I agree with damn near almost everything you mentioned in this video. 13:06 REALLLY hit me, i’ve felt like Beatsaber found its stride with adding packs but after a while it just felt trendy and mainstream to keep certain VR players afloat. Yes they’be dropped a lot of money into this company but as consumers we don’t know what it takes to fulfill the world with these promises so let’s let time work and we’ll really see for ourselves.
New subscriber😎
P.S I love how everyone is voicing their true opinions about how they feel about this and VR
The VR industry needed this video.
Had a grin on the entire video, I think EVERYONE thanks you for being their voice in this, I'm surely not the only one, but this video felt like a stress release that needed to happen. Meta needs to hear this, and i'm so grateful that you spent time to say what I feel everyone felt directly at Meta. Lets hope they hear this and take it into account, If not the big man, maybe at least the devs!
Totally agree!
i love VR getting more attention. meta was not the way to do it. Wii already did it but they knew their core audience.
@@maxjames00077 No where close to the sidelines, I own both the CV1 and Quest 2, thousands of hours in VR, what he says is true. Meta does great in sales, the entry price is fantastic, but they hoover up all the talent around them, and then no games get made. Retention is horrible, besides beat saber, or VRchat, theres very few reasons to put it on, it becomes a $400 paper weight. The issue is because most players ARE using the quest 2, most games have to be on the oculus store to have a chance at succeeding, with profit sharing with meta taking %30, similar to steam, but only for a fraction of the audience, most dont make it, or arent profitable enough comparatively to steam. I've gone years without putting the CV1 on, because there's just nothing to do. No one expects them to be perfect, but they arent doing very well for as large as they are. they can make money off it for sure, but for Mark being as big into vr as he is, he sure shoots himself in the foot a lot. My perspective personally, it seems he wants to get rid of everyone else, so horizons has the best chance possible, but thats just me!
I'm glad you said it. The last 3 years has been so frustrating. Like you said, VR had some really amazing things coming in 2018/2019, and then the whole industry feels like it was dried up. More than half the promised new content was canceled or bought and shelved, while a lot was also watered down before release. And ALL the moves of Mark and oculus/meta seam to almost be intentionally to get a headset in every home, and then never have anyone use it. Driving people away from VR instead of to it.
Was recording a podcast about all of this as a metaverse developer myself and felt annoyed I couldn’t find any content that wasn’t biased. This video is great, and it’s awesome to see someone who actually thought through pros and cons and didn’t just complain. Thanks for the thought provoking content.
*wipes a tear from my eye*
You just said what we've ALL been feeling. And you couldn't have said it ANY better. The frustration of a single company trying so hard to swim upstream and force one man's vision on the world has gotten to be too much.
Who's "all"? I wasn't feeling this.
This video has the phrase "I love VR" written al over it. You've outdone yourself with this, I hope this video gets to everyone at Meta/Oculus/Facebook.
Fantastic piece of work Thrill
The music at the end of the vid was amazing. To think "goodbye" evolved from the short on the music channel (amazing btw) to this emocional and brilliant piece of music that sounds like fire. I'm really hyped for the EP and I hope someday I could hear it at a vr rave
This video is just amazing! I am just getting started in VR - but that clearly shows me that we are early with all the hassle that is involved in getting things going. Yes maybe in a couple of years the focus on "mainstream" might be a viable strategy. But at the moment (and probably even then) you should not forget about your strongest advocates and the people who are building alongside you. There is so much more to gain in the long run when everyone works together to create the best version of VR possible. With the widest variety of games. The greatest experiences for meetings. And the best virtual desktop setups possible. A lot of things will have a space in this new world. And I personally suggest we should welcome them all - and not let anyone behind.
As someone young who work for a tech and energy company where we do a lot of meetings trying to actually be productive I can tell you that the greatest way to meet is the most efficient. We are not running a kindergarten, the static profile picture or the video feed of your face will not only suffice it will be better. It is enough to put on the headset and wear that for a long time, adding more weight and hassle from goggles does not make anything better, and no, the virtual screens are not useful either because you can't imagine new pixels and real monitors cost less anyway
I think the concept is cool, I really enjoy games that respect the boundaries of the technology like beat sabre where you actually experience more immersion instead of worse like most VR games unfortunately end up doing in some way or another but if this ever get introduced as a work tool I'll look for a new job.
I don't remember the last time I played a non-PC VR game in my Quest. Honestly. Why should I (or anybody)? When I want to relax in VR I want THE best experience possible, period. Therefore I switch my PC on, I let it render the top-notch picture of my favourite game and then stream it to my VR using VirtualDesktop or Air Link. Why? Because it looks and feels fantastic! And because anything below that simply sucks.
And VR is not just for games, it has a huge potential for productivity too. Man... Meta's approach is soooooo wrong here! Who needs a virtual copy of the real world? Why? What for? We need new features and new possibilities, not the same ones again! Doing otherwise inevitably poses the question: why do it in VR if I can equally (if not better) do it in the real world without it? Do you REALLY want people to put it this way? Because they do.
What I personally needed for my productivity from home? An unlimited virtual smart whiteboard. I still need it big time! The proper one, which doesn't exist in reality. I can describe it in minute details, but it will be too much for a simple comment. Instead, I'd just put it this way -- I'm still looking and waiting.
P.s. There is a reason why vorpX is so popular year after year after year.
Not gonna lie, I almost cried. Been wanting this technology to make it since I tested a bulky laggy low polygon thing on a mall when I was a kid. I hope Mark hears you, we certainly did
Omg I can’t believe you used my video for that rec room reference! I know it was only a couple seconds but thank you for choosing my video thrill! Btw this video was spot on. This is literally everything I been thinking about meta but u nailed all the details! Hope mark sees this!
This sums it up brilliantly. I can’t count the number of times I’ve gone on rants with my friends about the state of the industry and how badly we want it to improve. Keep up the good content.
Almost teared up at this. Everything you've said is real. My main hope is that someone can bring this to his attention. I don't hate Facebook, Oculus, Meta, whatever. I wholeheartedly want them to succeed as someone who grew up through some failed VR attempts, and has looked forward to the day our dreams could become reality. I respect that he's put everything on the line for VR, but then he proceeds to not even look in the vague direction of the community, and it's so disappointing.
@@BelamarEutravos I agree. There's a difference between hopes and expectations. I hope they do better, I don't expect they will. I also don't use FB and haven't for years because it's all a big tire fire. Besides, he took Facebook from the Winklevoss twins, it wasn't even put together by him. My expectations are not that they will ever fix anything, I expect that he won't see this, won't change direction to anything better, and other companies can gain some better traction, especially with things like the Pico Neo coming out in the normal consumer affordability market.
@@maxjames00077 it’s one of the largest companies in the world, they are not your friend. No need to defend them when they’re obviously not doing something right, the stock has dropped 75% in value, over 10,000 employees were fired, reality labs is a total and complete loss of money with nothing to show, seriously over 10 billion dollars of investment with nearly no return. And they also said that there is not expected to be a profit on all that investment anytime soon. They provide no reason as to why what they’re doing is so revolutionary that it requires that kind of investment. People don’t care about vr zoom meetings, there is literally no market for that. People buy vr headsets today to do mainly one thing, and that is gaming. It’s the only thing that shows off what vr can do, anything else is a dumb tech demo with no real use. Productivity could be a thing a vr headset is used for, but at the moment it’s not viable or useful. 2 hour or less battery life is not a viable monitor, and a 1500 dollar price tag makes just getting 3 monitors a better and cheaper deal. Idk why you’re so quick to defend poor business practices that don’t benefit you or the company. It is a failure for both sides.
I'm glad you're so emotionally invested in something so substantial & important.
@@MapleBaconDelight20 There's room for some form of emotional investment, I have room for caring about more than just necessity.
It's also due to empathizing with how much time, effort, creativity, and heart in general go into such things. Easy to empathize with, especially when you've been involved in vr for almost 3 decades.
@@maxjames00077 I like your positivity. Let’s all hope it comes true..
With the combination of your comprehensive and well organized video formats as well as high quality and engaging editing, it’s a miracle your following isn’t bigger. Videos like these are incredibly informative and beneficial to communities like VR, so I really hope your channel catches more eyes in the near future. Keep it up Thrill!
Amazing commentary - should be compulsory listening for all at Meta and beyond. Absolutely nailed all the missteps, while still acknowledging what has been done well... and offering the best path out of the situation. Top work Thril!!
This is So accurate and it's sad. I know of so many Quest 2's laying around collecting dust either because of the account issues or because there's simply no new games to play. Personally I ended up migrating to SteamVR because there isn't much of interest to play natively. This ultimately resulted in me buying another headset (Pico 4) and leaving Meta's ecosystem entirely.
Absolutely ESSENTIAL viewing. Thank you, Thrill.
Quest 2 was and is my introduction to VR. Me and countless others.
Thank you for all you do.
I'm 32 and first time will be a moment I will never forget. Been hyped since the 90's. 😅 favorite memories were getting new consoles when I was a kid, Q2 blew me tf awaay.
@@profoundwanderer1441 I have had so many consoles over the years. Been playing video games since Atari 2600. Quest 2 definitely blew me away. First game experience was Walking Dead: Saints and Sinners. Since then, PCVR as well. Constantly blown away!
Hey Thrill. Thank you for this video.
I run the Failed To Render Comedy Club, we’ve been actively bringing real life talent into AltspaceVR and VRChat since March of 2020.
Meta unfortunately will always be quantity over quality. When they approached me about bringing in Failed to Render and supporting me, they instead took all of my ideas and processes and gave them to somebody else to run a “24/7 open mic” that had more “likes” on their world than mine.
It’s extremely unfortunate. I’m not saying I could of saved the app… but it would sure be better positioned than it is in its current state.
See you in VRChat.
So what, did you sell it to them?
I agree 100%, the example you brought up of setting up the accounts, and not be able to sign in, has resulted in my "Quest 2" sitting on my shelf collecting dust, alot of Dust. Thank you for making this video
So I’m somewhat new to Vr I started watching videos and have an oculus 2 but can I ask what you guys think is a good headset cause my oculus 2 gives me headaches and the graphics aren’t the greatest for movies at least
Here to watch the video before it maybe gets pulled again...
Still wanna know what was in the original video...
Facebook has 70,000 employees. Their biggest competitor? Arguably Valve, a company with 300.
very true, and when you put it that way, also quite sad
and if the 1100 people fired weren't all the useless diversity and inclusion, safe space, censoring opinions meta doesnt like, bs positions, and he actually fired people who produce things of value, then that would really be nuts.
though with 300 employees valve basically does FA right now except piss about. sometimes their acts of pissing about lead to an actual thing being released, but because it doesn't ever have to, it rarely ever does.
This says it ALL.......
Probably the single biggest problem is combining the exclusivity of software and hardware for a deep complex problem in creating an exclusive ecosystem. It means that the future is more open source in hardware that we imagine and only cloud computing can provide a partial solution. Though the cloud is the dominant medium for internectivity it may perhaps transform to a decentralized open source service running on A.I smart contracts.This scares to death big tech companies because of the lost of data and value control for stock performance but it's the future.
I subscribed to this channel in 2019 when it had 10 000 subscribers, and I remember how hyped I was to get a Quest 2 with so much promising content even thought I ve had bad experiences with oculus HMDs in the past. However even thought we ve had great content in this platform from past years, I didnt found any exciting titles from recent events to engage me to this platform as I was in 2019/2020, which is a shame, considering competition this year seems to be fearce.
Just get a PC, Virtual Desktop for Oculus app, and Digital Combat Simulator. You won't regret it. It's about all I do on my Q2.
It's not just meta being affected. My VR devision at my tech job got laid off. Every company is going...to give up on VR.
Man, this hurts! Thank you for putting a video like this out. It needed to be said, and I can’t think of a better person to say it. I hope good comes from this.
I really love the thought that you could’ve just been looking at the entire script to this video in the headset throughout the whole speech
We gotta get this video to all Meta employees. Keep up the awesome work Thrill!
As a community we need to work together to get someone to see this, maybe even Mark himself. We are VR
Start creating VR contents. That's the only way to let it grow. Even TH-cam 360 that has been there for many years has a total lack of content. TH-cam started to excel more than 10 years ago cause of all the content providers who were willing to share cool videos.
Amazing, you were able to verbalize all the emotions I am feeling for the industry. Impressive
what is that DRUM AND BASS BEAST TRACK ? at the begining ? thanks a lot ! edit is so cool everytime !
5 years ago I expected 2021- 22 to be a revolution year in VR. There was so much promise. When meta happened I knew right then how much damage it’s going to do. Shame.
To all the vr game studios that got acquired you have my condolences. And to other studios keep up the good work, there’s still hope
Whenever I write the word vr ,my phone autocorrects it to crap. Accurate
Someone needs to make sure Mark Zuckerberg sees this video! He owes you a huge thank you for helping him figure out what his problem is from a guy that is one of us out here. Everything you said makes total sense, and if he had any hope of saving his company he would call you and fly you to his office to sit on a council and help the people understand where to make the changes. I hope he’s smart enough to listen to what you’ve said because you speak for all of us!
This is excellent! I sincerely hope Mark sees it. You might just change the course of history
Oh he will. He's obsessed with it and has too much on the line so im sure he's constantly observing peoples thoughts on the whole thing and why it's not taking off as much as first thought. TH-cam videos from individuals that have hundreds of subscribers (real fan base) I would think is ideal. Hopefully he improves on Meta because i really want Mark to succeed. Hi Mark 👋 from a friend in Chicago
Glad to see PCVR getting the recognition it deserves. 👍 Many of us are sick of seeing big "quest updates". We just want good quality games to play and new he texh, that show if new ideas and focuses on the fun. Like 2D games brought zoom you a possibility, VR zoom style meetings will happen when the time is right for them. And that's not now.
To clarify, I think the quest is great too. But it does feel like it's been all about getting folks into their hardware, and not about getting folks into fun games.
I just picked up my Oculus Quest (Yes the Quest 1) to play a quick round of Beat Saber yesterday after not playing on it in well over a year and it made me log in for the first time since I got the device... I tried logging in for about 10 minutes thinking I forgot my password only to put the headset down and focus on something else. I later in the day went to go verify on my PC what my login info was, and went back onto the Quest and only then realized it wasn't telling me my password was wrong it was telling me I had to update the firmware to even fucking log in to the headset.
Stupid decisions like that cause most people to not pick their headset back up
I really REALLY hope Mark watches this Video and takes that Message into future projects! Together, We are VR!
Mark is just trying to get a monopoly, and he doesn't do that by supporting PCVR. It may be better for them in the long term, but companies like Meta are always going to go for short term profit over long term success.
I hope Mark watches the video and sees the hole in his head
@@maxjames00077 I meant that, while helping PCVR might be better for Meta in the long term (by leading to the growth and success of the VR market), in the short term it hurts them by funneling sales away from their store, where they take a significant cut.
I wanted to watch this yesterday. Glad you got it pushed out this time!! The editing in this video is really well done as well I really enjoy the format
I'm overcome, what a video! Every thought I've had in the last few years put into a video. Thank you for this Thrill!
Any idea whats song is used at the end of the video ? my shazam couldn't find it ! ^^ Thanks you, all, great video :)
"The core" as you've described it is what made me fall in love with vr in the first place. Back when the oculus dk2 launched, I had already been following the VR dev scene closely, and was obsessed with at least trying it out, to the point that I ended up making my own pcvr cardboard headset before even trinus and vridge were a thing. I had splashtop and freepie, and was using the OSVR drivers so I could send the 3dof data there. Eventually psmoveservice was acceptable and I made my own 6dof room-scale jank vr and started my journey through vrchat.
And I really hope that spirit of "Make, share, enjoy" stays with us as the industry grows, because none of what I talked about would have been possible if it wasn't for all the people that were obsessed with VR in exactly the same way. Thanks to the community, and thank you Thrill for giving us a louder voice.
This is exactly what happened with me during the account merge. My account between the PC and the headset got confused and I lost my library and it just wasn't worth it when there's so much else to do.
But yet I watch every bit of VR content that I can despite not putting the headset on for at least 2 weeks...
This wasn’t recommended to me but rather found by searching Meta. I think TH-cam is throwing you down under so your video doesn’t get recommended to others. Liked anyhow. Good ass video, really puts into perspective all the shit that’s gone wrong.
Good speech dude. I don't know, but the lay offs could've been a stregic move. Like have a bunch of people do a ton of work to get the ground layer for the metaverse going, then the work kinda slows down, as do sales. So mark really wants the metaverse, but then can't afford to pay as many people, but he also knows that other companies looking to get into the Nexus would scoop them up. Effectively seasoning the industry with ex-reality labs workers
Great commentary. 10 years ago I went into games industry hoping to work on VR mainstream games, and now even with my Quest 2 in hand, I'd say it's way smaller than I dreamt right after my university graduation.
Games need to respect the limitations of the technology, the only VR game to hold its own IMO is beat sabre
if someone made a mech battle game where you are some kind of pilot might work if its simple
The split between VR and normal controls required to play it makes it a thing only for people like you that want that dream, you look past the reality, the limitations, and don't respect them and that in turn hurt the progress and reduce it to niche in a sense, most people will simply just have more fun playing traditional games as a result
@@Top_Cheeze Iron rebellion is exactly like that mecha battle, but it takes time to get used to the controls. I had my problems and stopped it after testing it and goofing around for 10 minutes. Being able to use the controls by instinct will take some time. You´re using a mecha after all. I still think it will be easier than mech warrior, which is a normal non-VR game. Iron rebellion works, and it works fine, but the controls still need their breakthrough like almost every VR game.
Games I played with controls that are just feeling right are Rush, Skyworld, and (most of the time) To The Top, but none of these games will ever become mainstream.
We will get to that point, someday we will have our industry changing algorithm for VR controls. Just as many games prior gave new ideas and sometimes whole new genres of games.
Damn dude. Nail on the head. This video needs to be liked as much as possible, let's make it so Zuck has no choice but to watch this. Great job man
I've tried VR asnd I just can't do it. I wear glasses and suffer massively with misting. the headsets make me sweat and most games make me feel sick. I haven't tried any of the newer sets but with the price point, I'm not willing to take the risk that these don't improve things.
I can't get onboard with the metaverse. what's the point in holding mettingings in the metavers when something like soom works just as well?
I have now watched this twice since it was reposted, and it's just as good the second time.
Thrill, this video, your video here, might actually be a turning point in the history of VR (if anyone at Meta watches this video, and it rises of the pole to Mark). in 16 minutes you stated perfectly what everyone VR fan has been thinking for years. Thank you. We all really needed this!
Personally I find VR quite interesting but what it has to offer at that price point I just can't put my money in my interest
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After watching yer channel for about a year: I am in AWE of how good the production and editing is. Good stuff. My absolute go-to for VR news and commentary.
Thank you for this! Facebook also needs to bring back 360 video. It has it's place. There is a market for "evergreen" passive viewing experiences. In 2017 I was able to broadcast a Moby concert to 1 million people! (granted that was through Periscope to the Samsung VR) BUT During the pandemic I had a client who wanted to broadcast 360 church services to the congregation and post it on Facebook... and I couldn't do it. (Even with setting up my own media server.) You can't view a "live" 360 video it in headset or on pancake. How sad is that?!
Chills many times while watching this. Glad you're able to articulate and express this so well! Thanks Thrill 💜
The biggest problem with virtual reality isn’t its concept or execution (which is absolutely amazing ),it’s getting people to put on a headset and experience it. I definitely think that this stuff will eventually be embraced by the masses…despite Mark’s bungling. Hopefully Mark is paying attention to your observations as they are those of all the people who really want VR to succeed.
And for that Meta must listen to users. Do they really? How long are we asking for a world-scale slider? 3 years? 4? I don't remember. It is even added to the SteamVR, but for Quest? "Nope. Not important."
@@andgame4857 i'm sorry, but what is a world scale slider for? i can't imagine any use for it.
@@simpson6700 Have you played the "Lone Echo"? If you had, then you probably remember how small your hands and body in general were. That's why. The world-scale lets you increase the scale of your virtual body. It also helps to reduce motion sickness.
No, I’d say the execution is also a part of the problem. You may have a different standard for fidelity in video games, but gamers like myself and my friends and siblings all look at Horizon, Rec Room, Zenith, VR Chat, etc. as looking “cheap” or it’s still in alpha development. I was excited for Zenith especially, ThrillSeeker said it was going to change VR forever and everyone would be playing, now the game is dead and the gameplay is still trash… It’s like a lot of VR titles want to hurry and put something together using Unreal Engine blueprints and sell the games at full price, make their millions and vanish. It’s frustrating and greedy. I’m waiting for some other CEO to take a pass at the metaverse because this just isn’t it.
@@andgame4857 i did play lone echo 1, i thought the size of my character was fine, but it also wasn't a human body. i'm currently playing valheim vr and while my hands are ginormous, it doesn't really bother me, so maybe it's just me.
Well said Thrill! You nailed it with this! Honestly, your words are my words, because I feel the same exact way. I do hope Mark sees this 🙏
well, i know that VR is boring sometimes, but truth is I always find something new whether just wander around in the google maps and street view, which is really good with the Wooorld app, also visiting altspace and maybe just sing karaoke and talk to someone. Not everyone finds it interesting anymore to play the same games over and over. I get that. Hopefully if meta workers or Mark Z himself finds this video they will make more variation in for example the meta home like expanding the personal space to much more options that would reallly help
The "We are VR" reminded me of the VR Troopers show I watched as a kid.
Thrill-as a long time viewer of your channel and having you be the sole reason I got into VR in the first place with the OG Quest, I always love your unfiltered and unapologetic attitude, and I know in your heart that you, and all of us want only the best for VR to thrive. Even I have seen first hand people I know buy a Quest 2 just to get that VR experience just to fall out of it a month or two later. Meta definitely needs to do more to make the entire industry more people focused instead of industry focused. Always love your content and looking forward to seeing more in the future! ❤️
Seeing Meta stock crumble after RT game showed the metaverse for what it was, was simply incredible.
RT Game really pulled off his own Slime Rancher reference
Great video outlining a lot of good stuff. Glad we’re finally getting a true strike and voice out at what’s going on in today’s VR industry. Thanks Thrill.
Perfectly put. Well done. We who produce VR content need a streamlined pipeline to get our content to the public. If the VR consumer is lost what is the point in producing stuff that is going to be lost in the mess. Meta:fix the accounts login issues, sort out the branding things. Make things easier for the consumers to make VR mainstream. We put our projects in VR on hold to produce apps in AR while this gets sorted out. Congratulations on the awesome content that you put out every week along with reviews and everything. Just awesome! Cheers!
Thank you for being spot on in all points. I am 71 years old with a 64 year passion of toys, tech and traveling, My love of VR started 30+ years ago with unavailable, bulky, outrageously expensive experimental and military heads up displays. Fast forward to multiple SIGGRAPH shows and prototypes to the launch of the first Oculus which, for its day, was an amazing leap forward (I owned an Apple Lisa and the first Mac fish tank computer). As much as I was impressed with how far VR had come looking through a screen door was not a compelling immersion experience. With the launch of Oculus Quest 2 I decided to test the waters. I purchased a unit then 2 weeks later I purchased 10 more for my spa and wellness center in Bali to setup VR Salon for adults and education and gaming for kids. It was/is a game changer in almost every respect. I was aware when Facebook acquired Oculus and despite that - and I do mean despite - I went ahead and set them up in the captive Facebook universe - using VPN routers. All of which brings me to thank you for the very much needed "The Emperor Has No Clothes" honest and, to many, painfully obvious review of the slow motion Meta train wreck and missteps. With Pico launching (which we can get in Asia - sorry US) and Pimax Crystal (both of which I am preparing to purchase) I think VR will be fine and will survive the Meta Pandemic if in fact it occurs.
... don't forget about psvr2 :)
Yeah that was really good. Extremely well thought out and put together. I think we all agree with everything you are saying. Vr seems to ONLY be for the masses right now without core experiences and games. The thing is though there are game studios with 15 devs that do better work than what meta showed off its unbelievable how bad what they showed is. They want to build a metaverse but can't even make a communication app look like it's not from the early 2000s
boneworks showed us what a small dedicated vr team can do. but im reflecting now, and its the reason Blizzard Diablo franchise went mobile on a reskinned chinese game... $$$$$...
do you not have phones?
Have you thought about comparing the Google holo lens, quest pro and the vario xr3 Augmented reality?
Seriously thought they really do need to decide to either be meta or quest. I remember being abruptly logged out from whatever I was doing just to get a message telling me to “make a meta account.” CHOSE A BRAND
this video is the best message that could ever be sent to meta and mark, thank you for using your influence to speak for all of us❤
Been using my "Oculus" since launch and fully support the VR community and love what you do bro....tell us how you really feel. PS everything you said is very spot on.
This week I dusted off my trusty OG quest to play some games (I don't have a Quest 2 because I love the deep blacks on OLED screens as I play a lot of horror games and want full immersion, and I won't buy a Quest 3 if it doesn't have comparable deep blacks).
I couldn't believe how difficult and convoluted the whole transition of accounts experience was, from Facebook to Meta/Oculus (yes it went back and forth)! Still days after doing this, I have no idea what I did, I just kept clicking on things and filling out forms, just to get it over with, back and forth between pages. I have been a games developer for over 33 years and work as a technical artist (I worked at Argonaut Software for many years, even got to play with the never-released "Supervisor" prototype in the early 90's, the VR headset created for the SNES!)
I thought to myself, if I'm finding this difficult and frustrating/confusing, just imagine how this must be feel for people less technical or less wanting to waste this much time just to play a game. So I totally agree with the sentiment that there must now be a ton of Quest 1's, 2's just sitting there gathering dust after people trying to go through that process. Never seen anything like it.
For me, it's the exclusives (and Meta's fight to keep those exclusives) that bother me (in terms of games) AND the fact that Meta is just . . . not the best when it comes to caring about its users--not when it comes to privacy, ads, misinformation, etc. If Oculus were independent, I'd own one, probably. As it is, I prefer my Index, and I'd rather support PCVR. Though, I wish we had more options in the lower-cost-of-entry realms. In the US, it's basically Oculus or nothing (right now).
Incredibly well made, the editing and the most importantly the message. Thank you! From an Oculus DK2 self developer.
Meta isn’t “crumbling”. What a dumb video. I own 100k in stock with META and bet it will succeed
Love the content, hope TH-cam actually pushes this great video out more this time. Commenting to boost it 😤
Always wondered the future of VR and if the effects are multiplied vs just a screen. Is sitting too close to the TV bad for you...?
"it's the technology that's cool, not you"
Perfectly said. If the quest 2 had any competitors at all when I bought mine, I would not have chosen Meta.
Thank you Thrill for making this. I've always wanted to make a video like this, but I felt discouraged not having the platform. I feel like if anyone's voice could be heard, it would be yours. The VR space needed this
I know you're a Bonelab lover Thrill, and I'm so glad when you mentioned Meta's PC VR platform, you flashed up a TAL-9 from Robo Recall! As an indie modder, trying to keep one of the best VR games ever alive in spirit, and seeing hardcore VR enthusiasts like you show some love for RR, is awesome and heart warming!
When I first saw this video I knew what this was gonna be and honestly thrill hit a lot of points that mostly we all have been thinking about. I'd like to add my own as well. Vr is an amazing new thriving community but if we are all being monopolized by 1 company its like PS5 and Xbox you need competition. You cant just buy everything and expect it to work out and instead of trying to hone around owning the "metaverse" take in stride that you can't improve anything without having competitors GIVING you that inspiration to improve. Games are absolutely needed and please for the love of everything VR start advertising this to everyone not just a set group. Exactly like thrill said your advertising this with 1 aspect like whatsapp and this is SO much more. It can be our whole future. And here you are advertising it like its the next facebook and well...we know how that's gonna go. Please Mark if you see this video take in stride people are always gonna be there to see you succeed. Stop dragging everything down with you though. Its time for a change.
Nicely summed up, I agree with many points. To me it feels like development is going half the speed it could, as the focus of Meta is to come up with the most efficient way of monetizing the VR worlds, before going full throtle.
Wow. So accurate.
Honestly, I'm not necessarily in this as a member of the core VR community Thrill describes, but as a believer in the Metaverse: Dedicated to the vision Zuck describes, but absolutely dismayed by watching him disown that vision with almost every move he makes. We will evolve into it, regardless of whether Meta blows up. As a recent computer science grad and tech lover, I just hate to see Mark bringing such a bad portrayal of what I genuinely believe is the next chapter of the Internet.
Great video as always!
THIS THIS THIS 1000% this. Thank you Thrill for putting in a video what we all feel. 😭😭😭
2:33 ding ding ding, exactly what he's doing. He's no longer the Overlord of the internet, so he's trying to regain his throne by getting ahead of everyone else and positioning himself as the Overlord of VR, which will eventually be the main portal to the internet
Arr you going to make a video about what's happening with Tuvalu and Meta?
Man, i knew a ton of stuff is going wrong with vr but could never put it into words... Thank you for releasing this video.
Rewatching the video again xD
This is quite literally, the BEST video you've ever done, no joke.
For someone focusing on VR so much, and wanting this to become something in the future, I still gotta give at least credit to Zuck for making VR more popular to the masses. Wouldn't even hear about VR if it wasn't for Oculus (I was aware of Oculus before it was brought by FB lol).
I want to make a VR company in the future and seeing this video is giving me more confidence to not f*ck up in the future as he did.
So thank you Thrill for that amazing video, best wishes to you, and I hope I will be able to make my company a reality !
You're right. This really is his best video. I'm so glad we have an influential voice like him in the community
Great video and agree with everything. Ps, when you showed the VRchat treehouse world at the end and talked about supporting the core community it struck a cord for me, since 1001 the creator of that world passed away a while back. He loved VR and doing shaders in VR, Everything was definitely more exciting at that time in the VR space. I know he would have agreed with everything you said in this video. I only knew him through VRchat but he was a good friend and extremely talented. Rest in peace 1001
As an iphone and ipad user. Zuck bein like apple, "look at this new thing WE came up with!". Legs in VR have been out for awhile lizard-man.
This is a heartfelt letter to Mark. He would do good listening to this.
You are right to say and feel the things you feel in regards to this topic.
Honestly, if it weren't for VR I wouldn't have made the wonderful friends I have, met my life partner or found myself in worlds, places and creative spaces I could only dream of! And for all the bad I've experienced in VR, I have experienced far more welcoming, wonderful and beautiful things and created memories that will go with me till the day I turn to data.
I hope your words reach those who need to hear this. And I want to thank you for your raw emotion in this. Your enthusiasm in VR and VR related news, the gear to experience it and the passion you radiate has changed more lives then you realize. Never stop being you.
Love the video. I have spoke couple people from Meta, it was interesting as they see things the same way as you and I. I agree with you 100%. When employee feels the same as user that something is missing or something is wrong, you know, you are on correct track. Meta should have open up the code and let normal IT people work on it. Something like open contract. I have been working on couple thing as cause the code is locked to the core you cannot test anything. It sucks.
Great Video. Couldn't t agree more on everything. My old Oculas is chilling in storage. The industry is not ready. Meta isn't ready. They lost sight of the endgoal and got tunnel vision on the wrong things. Ready player one and SAO could be so much more than just movies and shows.
Will Mark see this video? - I hope so.