Age of Sigmar's New Minis Puts 40k to Shame
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Stormcast used to be ugly Space Marines, now Space Marines are ugly Stormcast
Ah how the turns have tabled.
How the turn tables
@@katelawyer3689 record scratch
bleak
Age of Sigmar drank all the cool golden armored angel juice and left their backwash for the 40k design team
Age of Sigmar deserves it
@@JettHinde better rules, models, books, SPEARHEAD, more variety in factions. AoS is eating good.
I feel if that were true, we would have got better-looking sanguinary guards. Someone should tell the 40k team to mop up some of the AoS drippings
That's a way to say it.
But also now my mouth tastes weird
It makes sense, they just got a new edition@@bargaw
I feel like a perfect April 1st Models and Memories gag would be “HOW do you have more to say? Well, I DONT.” And then just sitting there silently for 20mins.
Just do that real fake doors salesman bit from Rick and Morty interdimensional cable where he just leaves the commercial and the camera follows him living the rest of his day
The most telling part that they didn't care about the Sanguinary Guard is the 3rd company markings on the shoulderpad
I mean it’s expected they have either ai or interns working on the space marine stuff the range is all over the place
Holy crap I didn’t notice that
sorry, what's wrong with that? i know fleetingly little about lore and all that.
@@lukestange I think, since they are depicted as the utmost elite, they should be first company. The first company is typically for the most elite veterans of a space marine chapter
@@lukestange the elite of the elite 1st company are all veterans that should have very ornate armours weapons & access to relic weapons & more
AoS just seems much cooler lately
That's cos it is :)
There is no Horned Rat model? Do you mean the Verminlords, which are kinda greater demons of the Horned Rat?
There’s the Vizzik Skour model, the prophet of the horned rat. Asking for THEE Horned Rat as a model willl likely never happen. That would be akin to a Sigmar model or an Emperor model or one of the chaos gods in model form, it’s just not going to happen
@@patnoon5477 isn't there a nagash model?
@@moderndavinci6599 i may be wrong but i had thought they are pieces of himself he sends out. like greater deamons
@@patnoon5477that’s not what he’s saying. In the video he says he didn’t like the Horned Rat model that came out. Poster is commenting there IS no horned rat model. He didn’t ask for one.
@@patnoon5477 Kragnos is a god, Nagash is a god, Alarielle is a god they all have models. Maybe Morathi too?
Holy shit those sanguinary guard are so boring, I’d rather get some intercessors and give them greenstuffwings
Unrelated to the video but:
Finally got back into Warhammer after a bit of a break and i just wanna thank you for always being such a sweet, genuine and positive voice in the Warhammer community. Your videos really brighten up peoples day, thank you for being awesome!
40k has been getting the boring models for one simple reason: 40k fans will buy it. Age of Sigmar has to convince fans to buy it by enticing them with creative, stunning models, whereas 40k models are purposefully safe and boring because people are buying it regardless. There is no incentive for GW to take risks with 40K's model design.
Wouldn't the exact opposite be better? If people will buy the model regardless you can go for more eccentric designs, and if people are turned of it doesn't matter. I'm not sure the reasoning holds up there.
I always hear that people play AOE because of the better rules, and 40k because the setting is cooler.
That would imply the exact opposite approach would be best, so I'm not sure the reasoning holds up here.
@@DERADI30 If you have a product that sells, you don't go around changing it. Look at the iPhone or Macbook. Fundamentally the same design for the last 10+ years because people will buy it. 40k sells, so everything tends to look similar to what came before it.
I think that rules can be a draw to the product, but only for a niche subset of customers, namely tabletop gamers. The majority of GWs customers are more interested in lore and models, at least from my experience. They're not going to buy the models for the game it's based on, they're buying the game for the models, if they play at all.
The Globadiers orbs actually burst and spread a gas that causes you to suffocate and choke on your own blood.
In the 4th edition AoS rulebook, the maps show a few chaos dwarves strongholds. There is a quote tributed to "Hammers of Hashut" and an in universe letter that very strongly points to chaos dwarves and how they might be a threat at somepoint. And next to it is an artwork of what seems to be an icon of Hashut.
I wouldn't be surprised if we got the chaos dwarves back sooner rather than later.
There were some rumours from a supposedly trustworthy source who says that yes, chaos dwarves will come this edition.
That would be cool, but only if they had the cool death masks like the cannon models. The old ones looked like miniature witches with beards….huge, long bulbous noses with bumps on them, long, mustaches and comically silly tall hats…like honestly, the size of their bodies
Its inexcusable to me that the Sanguinary guard look boring when the AoS Prosecutors just came out and look so much better
Because they put the intern sculptor on 40k models and put their A team on a dead game (AoS). 😢
@Justin-mp2il this has to be bait. AoS is absolutely thriving right now. All you hear about online and in stores/in person is how great the game is right now. Outside of squatting the OG stormcast, most people are very up on AoS. Maybe it isn't big in your area, but that doesn't mean it's dying. Absolutely goofy take.
@@TheBrules2 dead game hahahhahaaha. 40k new sculpts look dead already lol
@@MrGreenpaulo I love when people call AoS a dead game as if the only reason 40k isn't dead is because people already spent thousands of dollars in models.
AoS has
•better models
•better rules
•better gamemodes
•Better factions
While 40k 10ed has been nothing but disappointments
@@TheBrules2Watch your 40k, heard they will get End Times soon
Knowing the Sanguinary Guard are likely gonna cost $60 for 3 models, id just buy some jumpack intercessors and paint them gold. If the models were more intersting maybe, but they dont even have wings.
GW once more gives us less value for money. Sigh.
I wish they just made the sanguinary guards look closer to the new Dante model as that model clearly shows they can make good golden blood angels
Every other model shows theres at least 1 person who knows what they are doing but they sent him/her to work on aos and we got
Black painted Brutalis and Intercessors as our new DC and 3 fat wingless and blingless stormcast as our most revered unit.
They killed the blood angels range. They retired the only good kits we had left to offer us this shit
The Warlock Galvaneer model actually got leaked 4-5 months ago when someone received it in the mail, so that's why it might seem like you've seen it before
Nah, i think hes thinking of the older warlock bombardier model. They look VERY similar. It came out around signs and potents i think and was in a broken realms box set
And not a single Pinkerton called, truly amazing
I'm really hoping someone out there paints their sanguinor's prayer ribbons as CVS receipts.
@@Pyraxian1 and his grippers flesh colored
Jay, there is actually a petition going around the BA Facebook groups. The community is in an uproar!
You think a petition will get a billion dollar company to change something they’ve already sculpted, finalised and made physical stock of? 😂
@@AngryAcolyteobviously not! but they can produce an upgrade kit however which would include wings. These upgrade kits seem to be the physical DLC for GW.
@@AngryAcolyte It can also show them how disappointed people are. Hopefully teaching GW what NOT to do. But that probably wont happen 🙃
The old world pricing for plastics is really reasonable, on par with 2008 prices in some cases (keeping in mind inflation) and is usually much cheaper than ebay.
Come on man, you know those prices in eBay were inflated higher then the economy
TOW prices are weird. Some stuff is a pretty good deal, by modern standards. (In Canadian dollars, so knock about $20 of for US prices) Baseline infantry kits run you about $100 - which is great if you're picking up night goblins or orcs (40 and 31 models in their respective boxes), and just okay if you're pickup some like dwarfs (20 in a box). Baseline infantry for 40k or AoS usually come as 10 models in a box (zombies are 20), and run you anywhere from $50-$80 a box depending on the age of the models. On the high end, TOW is "saving" you about $60 a box, low end, you're paying about the same. However, this sort of overlooks the fact that a lot of TOW models are old enough to drink, vote, and enlist - so they've had years to recoup initial investment costs.
All that being said, on the really egregious side of things, you have instances of kits for TOW being insanely overpriced. Best example that springs to mind is the Ushabti. You're paying over $100 for 3 metal models that were made over two decades ago. That is, in no way, a good deal, especially considering GW actually bothered to phase out most of the metal from the rest of the TK releases, and even add some stuff to the updated kits.
There's just something about AoS models that hits different
Good news: I have a ~2000 point Blood Angels army and none of the new models appeal to me at all, so I don't feel compelled to buy them. Bad news: I want ALL OF THE RATS. I don't have a Skaven army. I want a Skaven army. Dammit.
Oh hey! Exactly the same! You are me and I am you lol 😆
@@DanielSmith-pw9ws No way! Guess what the S in my username stands for!
For me it's like I just got back into warhammer because of vermintide 2, and I thought skaven were cool, so I decided I want to get a skaven army, then LITERALLY 2 days later, games workshop comes out with THESE. The Horned Rat has blessed us, yes-yes.
17:48 the first custom bbeg I made for DND was specifically made to undo this trope. Warm, welcoming, downright motherly, but wants to enslave the world because she "knows what's best."
I think the new Sang Guard may be good to convert into Vanguard Vets.
But think the old ones are cooler/more thematic for a BA army.
These AoS models are so unique and filled with details. 40k has lost what little flavor and soul it had left...
Eh. Its GWs fault for chasing away the talent with shit job environment
so, "Okaaaaayyyy, it's fiiiine" in Jayspeak means it's trash?
yep
I think a recent trend in their 40k scults is that their looking a lot cleaner and removing a lot of the edge and grimdark feel. I hope they dont keep doing this
My crazy theory is 40K has been going too heavy on Imperial stuff so there isn't the cool contrast like AoS. A verity of green skins, all sorts of Skaven clans, a verity of different elves, all sorts of undead, so a new Stormcast doesn't have to completely knock it out of the ball park. 40K it feels 90% human releases and only a smattering of Xeno releases outside of Kill Team. Which gets boring.
If i collected space marines the temptation to just convert aos models would be so high honestly...those angel guys are so ugly
Its what Blood Angels have been forced to do for the past 8 years while waiting for this very refresh.
Sanginor looks like doc ock lol
Now I can’t unsee it 😂
He looks like Dr. Zaius
Sanguinary Guard is such a dissapointment. No Wings no deal...
AoS models have been hitting everything we need in 40K but not getting it. It's no wonder folks are kitbashing.
8:44 nice of GW to highlight the parts on his minion that didn’t fit together properly 😂
"its all the same dude"
While owning a thousand black space marines
"why are the bad guys just a mirror of the good guys"
Chaos space marines
I think gw needs to understand that a lot of the old chapter specific kits just need to be upscaled & that’s literally it it’s a win win for everyone gw saves loads of money on production & making new sculpts & we get to basically keep the old models just in a new armour type but look almost the exact same
It been Decades since the skaven had a refresh they just now they finally get justice they deserve
Actually we know what come lol the kill team tempestus scion got leaked already
Sanguinor and the sanguinary guards look like super old models, I’m glad I’m not into this army in the first place !
Im about to build a time machine to get back my 8 years of waiting for that shit.
bring back the chaos dwarves with bigger hats
Personally, I only think the sanguinor looks good compared to its old sculpt. I have been working on a custom one with, I think, way more juice
And I really don't like the new sang guard, I think it's a massive flop
The Doom Flayers are coming in 2's. They said so in the reveal video but didn't mention it in the warcom article.
The Sangunary Giard dev team must have been rushing out the door on a Friday when they came up with that effort...
Man I love your ideas for what they can do creatively for their armies, like an evil chaos army decked out in gold and riches because they pillage and conquer all.
Gonna blow your mind.
Man catchers were an actual thing historically
And thing-catcher is just skaven speak for man-catcher
The problem with Sanguinors CVS receipts is that the moment the jump pack heat hits them the thermal paper is going to turn dark purple.
@15:00 what about a 2nd spearhead for Skaven with these fun doodads?
regarding @15:32 , the leviathan starter boxset dreadnaugh is also easy to build
Oh SangGuard, welcome back 1st edition Stormcast Eternals
The Sanguinor is terrible. Just convert a Celestant Prime from age of sigmar instead. It puts the Sanguinor to shame
I think the Sanguinor looks fine they did honor the previous model. I do agree that Celestant Prime looks way cooler!
Props for getting here before that guy asks Jay to paint the pointless model.
Most telling part they don’t care about BA lore is when they gave the sanguinor a freaking helmet
The sanguinor does wear a helmet though, you should probably read Dante......Dante did not kneel. The Sanguinor stared at him. Broad wings of white Ceramite spread either side of a face that resembled the one Dante wore. But whereas Sanguinius face bore an expression of anger on Dante's Helm, his mouth wide in a silent war cry , the rendition on the Sanguinor’s was troubled with tears of gold rolling down its cheek. It was a mask Dante had seen many times before.
@JohnDoe-rp7mf you know lore about Sanguinor. When he put helmet in fire and then put it on his face and burn it, so now one can know ho is Sanguinor.
Im not touching 40k with a 10foot pole untill they unfuck the Blood Angels refresh. That shit is ridiculous.
The energy balls from the Skaven remind me of the Gungans from The Phantom Menace using those things on the droid army
Crimson Fists next, please.
I'm with you brother
When Jay says glorious.... Definitely wanna makes you buy that kit
I can't look at the Sanguinor's face without being reminded of the Simpsons planet of the apes musical. Dr Zaius, Dr Zaius, ooooh, Dr Zaius.
Could they have removed the wings because lore wise they shouldn’t really have real wings?
Like.. they’re humans, right?
Not sure how long this has been happening, but i like the music in the background of this episode
@EonsOfBattle the only thing different at 15:04 are the rats heads and weapon arm
the doomflayers are definitely a photoshop or smth like that - not only are the bikes identical, the basing elements are too. I reckon we'll see multiple different bike sculpts in the box.
12:24 they're like little evil gungans
Those duplicate skaven doomflayers are the same model, but they are not the same photo. The models differ only in the right arm and head is swapped. The photos are different mostly in that they are photographed from two slightly different angles. I don't think they are photoshopped other than the usual cleaning up, color correction and cutting out the background.
OK so youa re completely right about the new doom flayer model just having a different rider. If you look closely at the paint job you can tell its exactly the same on both so either photoshopped or maybe just changed the rider with blue tack
2:48 Lol- Move it *once* and it’s wobbling all game O.O
The best thing about those new BA is the spears, i want them for my Thunderwolves
They throw globes like snow globes
Lady Olinder from the AOS line is also a supremely bouncy model. Actually, most of the Night Haunt range is.
AOS just got a new edition, and hence a ton of the focus from the design team. Remember last edition? Remember when 40k got the Lion, Angron, Dwarves, and several other awesome models/full ranges? Patience is a heck of a virtue. I personally like the Sanguinor, the guard are eh.
You know AoS is good because when we got the big Ratling gun people assumed we wouldnt get the ratling weapons team and we would be lucky to get the flamethrower team and then boom not only the ratling guns and the warpfire throwers we get a new warp lightning team on top of that. That kit is probably going to be godlike for kitbashing too
My Slaves to Darkness warriors are the old models and horses from Fantasy. I will get the Oldworld box set to add more. They are my favorite models, ever.
Jay, age of Sigmar doesn’t sell nearly as well as 40 K. So GW has stopped putting in any effort to make models in the 40 K range that just wow us. They don’t have to. People will buy them anyway.
No a AOS guy, but those Skaven models look great. Looks like if you want to use those new Sanguinary Guard models, you're going to have to stick some stormcast eternal heads on 'em.
What about Sean flavor? You know, the flavor of Winning!
Chaos Dwarves are teased in the core rulebook for AoS 4.0.
The new Sanguinary guard minis actually look good IMO... Except for the wimpy little fins on the jump packs with printed on wings. The old fully winged jump pack design gets across the vibe better. I expect to see people kitbash or add printed wings onto those tbh.
When he said stick them in the fridge I swear he was gonna make a shrinkage joke 🤣🤣
Loving every minute I can get of EonsofBattle, in the last couple of weeks I’ve watched every video from the last 3 years haha and started my first chaos marines army
I vaguely remember someone on Reddit receiving Galvaneer a year or two ago in a totally different box by mistake.
Thanks Jay! 40k player here coming back after 20 years or so…I love the new primaris models, I’m redoing an old successor chapter, what chapter sets would you recommend to use for my conversions?
I need to see you paint that chaos dwarf cannon
Once again, I'm asking you for Sean dice. Those puppies would always roll 6's
That Vizzik Skour model is insane
Man I agree with everything you said xD Especially the bit about Chaos and badies. Great vid!
The Globadeirs remind me of the gungans with their energy ballsssss.
16:52 I agree with you in this... Although it puzzles me why don't you feel the same way about space marines.
I will never forgive gw for not bringing back chaos dwarfs
I'm a Nick enjoyer, can we get more Nick and Jay IRL adventures! Love Jay also but Nick is lo key goated
the Doom flayers have been confirmed as units of two when they were being shown for the first time on youtube.
Skaven idea: start the painting with chrome base , for all their metal things . Glue fake fur and fabric for cloth and fur. They are going to look REAL and/or HORRENDOUS
Betting the Doomflayer is a regular single model kit with just an alt head and arm on the sprue.
AOS is cool. Pretty cool really. I have 4 diff armies. But the customization and story of 40k is just more in-depth. That does it for me.
The sang guard look fine besides the helmets. How many people replace intercessor helmets with firstborn ones? Its not a unique problem. Also the lack of wings kind of makes sense to me. They were wiped out to a man- and have been guarding dante for the last 1500 years. No wonder theyd model their armor after him. Also those wings were such a pain to glue on
Love love love all the new Skaven, looks so good!
100% the stream reveal is just the next Killteam box :D
GW is putting a much great effort into the AoS mini line, enjoy it. Those figures are amazing!
Jay if u start filming battle reports ill quit smoking crack
Is it a Blood Angel, or is it a Stormcast? That's a fun quiz.
Jabba the Hutt is a great bad guy that’s living the high life
Even thou Saint Celestine is difficult to transport, it's WAY better than the new Sanguinor. The dude has baby cherub wings xD. Also Sisters' torrent weapons are stronk ;)
The new inferno marines are also easy to build AND come in a regular box
It's a shame that the sanguinary guard were let down by the rushed release schedule of Gw. These models dont look that great because they reuse the skeleton of the jump pack intercessors. 😢
"Holly Clan Rats Batman" is my new cover band !
man these new sanguinary guard would definitely require the old ones to convert