Doug is obsessed with features, drives the car for 10 minutes and call it a day. Still one of the best channel to know detailed information about quirks and features of a car. TheTopher seems more authentic and gives us neutral opinions.
lol Doug love quirks and features and this car is the opposite of quirky. It’s a refined, reasonable no non-sense sedan that is supremely fun to drive.. I go to doug to see weird stuff about weird cars and I go to Topher & Savage Geese when I want to hear what the driving experience is like.
Ahhh yes. Finally, nice car with manual, good equipment and great engine. Lighter in car world for good price. And also reliable. The cars we really need!
Nah man, I need a 7000 lbs EV suv with a million horsepower and 50 mile range and lets call it a "0 emission" vehicle. Fuckin done with that bullshit. Light cars like this one with nice power and an option of a manual that uses fuel efficiently is the answer
Yeah! That’s exactly what I wanted to know. Love your reviews. I had a 2015 Civic SI that I loved until a pickup truck ramed into it while I was waiting at a red light three months ago, sending the car to the junk yard and my mom and me to the hospital... Now shopping for a brand new car and I find myself torn between the Civic SI and Mazda 3. UPDATE I would have chosen the SI but I would have had to wait a few months an order without trying it first so instead I bought a used Acura ILX, made a good deal and that will have to do for now. Not as enjoyable as a manual but I least I get the same engine I had before. Naturally aspirated V-Techs are getting rare theses days lol
@@Abdullahxvii Yes the Mazda 3 interior looks amazing and the seat with lumbar support is very attractive to me since my back still hurts a bit from the accident, but I’m afraid to miss the fun that comes with driving the Civic SI. AWD is attractive too with snowy roads here part of the year
@@Dmoney1106 You don’t miss shifting lol? Although I think I might be ready for a more relaxed and smoother ride. That’s what I like about the Mazda 3, you sacrifice the joy of the manual but you get more power and comfort. I am looking at the Turbo too of course.
@@tania.1.618 I just got a mazda3 turbo it’s 100% worth it, it’s the perfect mix of comfort and sportiness. It’s an amazing daily driver and reliable but it’s also incredible when you want to blast around back roads or just have a little bit of fun.
Damn, son. As a daily driver of an '01 Integra GS-R Sedan for 18 years, this new SI speaks to me. A '20 STI may have replaced the Integra for winter commuting and client site visits, yet the love of those Honda revs never leaves the soul. I am really impressed with how Honda has integrated modern tech in with the UX and the safety suite without killing usability and safety. And that fuel economy is sick! Spot-on regarding the new VW UX. I can't imagine living with that poor usability and VW should be ashamed to have that out on the market.
Addenda: @TheTopher, you nailed it with manual shift cars being more rewarding and engaging to drive -- especially the Si. I have thought about this topic for a long time, while driving the Integra and the STI, and I have found that MT vehicles help a driver focus on the task at hand, minimizing the distractions that can be more readily accessed with a CVT or Auto transmission equipped ride.
800 miles on my 2022 Civic SI. Would highly recommend the HPD package as it makes the car look far better than stock. Overall I love my SI. I will just shortly go over my 2 annoyances with the car. If other 22 civic si owners see this, please comment with your perspectives please. 1. There is input lag in Apple Car Play. I have only ever had it once run smooth when changing a song. Otherwise it is a 1 to 2 second delay between input and song change. Absolutely not a deal breaker, feel like it just need a software update on Hondas end, App always up to date. 2. The rear view camera in daytime is “ok” but absolutely atrocious at night in dark places. Very grainy, pixelated, terrible picture quality. Also noticed that when it rains, rain drops tend to stick to the camera lens on the trunk, which makes using back up camera near impossible on rainy days. I love my SI. These are my 2 biggest vehicle annoyances. If you have any questions feel free to ask. $33,500 out the door with HPD package installed. If you are a patient buyer, and can look out of state, you can find a good deal with little to no mark up. Patience is a virtue for a reason lol.
Your POV Drives of the Civic Si are making me love it sooo much ❤️🥰 I love the GR 86, but this is the "Practical, FWD, efficient 86" it's such a winner! ❤️😩
2000 miles in on my black 22’ Si. So far it’s been a real treat of a daily drive and family hauler. Thanks for the videos. Super helpful when looking to buy 👍
i know im a year late but as an audio and car lover, i am listening to the sounds test you did and it translated really really well to my studio headphones, i did not expect that and im very impressed
I absolutely love this car. I bought mine at MSRP from Hare Honda in Avon, IN after the dealers here in Illinois were trying to charge 8,000+ in markup. This is the most fun i've had in a Civic SI since the 8th gen and I've had them all aside from the 7th. There's something about it that's satisfying and fun to drive. It has an "It" factor that my 10th gen, and my MK7.5 GTI just didn't have.
100% agree on your thoughts about the mk8 GTI's interior. Pretty terrible to have defaulted with capacitive everything. The Civic Si's interior is the gold standard for how it should be done. Nice review.
I got a 2011 si and it’s my daily driver and I love it I love driving it great gas mileage very reliable and gets up to speed especially when you rev it you can’t ask for a better daily
The Canadian versionn SI is much more equiped....Heated steering wheell + front & back seats, full digital cluster, redline lights, dualzone CC, parking sensors, wireless charging, 2 rear USB-A ports, integrated NAV and homelink
Hey - I just got an SI 3 weeks ago, and really enjoy your videos and the driving tips for manual shifting. I 'specially liked your comment about the satisfaction it brings as you develop driving patterns for the new car. I learned to drive on a manual 3-speed '64 Mustang, and have driven manuals ever since. This SI is really fantastic, though I'm still adapting to it. One comment you made in the video really intrigued me. You say that over time that the Civic learns and adapts to your driving patterns. If that's really so (and there's some kind of computer-based learning built into the SI), I'd say that's an amazing development.
Topher is the best. Great voice too. I just bought the new Si, and my wife is wondering why i keep watching Tophers videos if i already bought the car. Reason is he has great channel
I loved the 10th gen civic removable cup holder. I had a 2016 civic and it was amazing to be able to throw the cup holder in the dishwasher for quick clean
I watched his pov of 10th gen si and you see right away that he was disappointed but fair. When it comes to the 11th gen , you clearly see that he enjoys the experience much more. Exactly why I signed to trade my '19 Si for the 11th gen. I'm getting mine mid-July. I can't wait.
Love seeing this filmed close to my workplace, gives a great perception of what to expect. Also I cannot believe you were going over 55 when merging, that’s a tight on ramp. That thing can grip
I bought a new ‘25 Si 2 weeks ago and already have 1,000 miles on it. It’s a fun and practical daily driver. You can drive this car normally, but it’s much more rewarding to drive a little harder all the time.
Topher! Thank you for another Si video! My decision to purchase one was easy to make based on your review and your honesty. The fact that you really enjoy the Si confirms that the vehicle really is great for what it is. A lot of 11th Gen haters in a few social media groups and I think they’re missing the point of the 11th Gen. Again thank you for your videos and keep it up!
I have to say, the interior finish on new Hondas is pretty great. I recently got out of a 2017 bmw M3, and into a 2018 Accord. The interior in my accord makes the BMW feel so dated. Sure there are a few little things here and there Honda didn't put the extra money into, but overall I absolutely love being in the accord interior. Sure the car has about 250 less horsepower but it'll last forever.
My 2019 Mazda3 manual also has adaptive cruise control and Lane keeping assist. Glad to see Honda joining the game. We need more manual cars that have that. So good on long trips.
I have a 2020 Si Coupe. I love it. Fun to drive and easy to drive standard in. Only thing I don't like about it is the rev hang. Other than that, I love the car. Very powerful and incredibly fast. Great car.
Definitely going to be picking one of these up in the next year or so... Ticks all the boxes for a daily driver that can also have some fun at the occasional autocross or track day on the weekends. I've been daily driving a Mustang GT for 5 years, but gas prices are really starting to kill me. Will never get rid of it though.
Man they should've left the K24 on this car. That was peak Si era. I do love rev match but I have decided I will not be continuing in the Si world. Have a Camaro 2SS 1LE on order. Good review nonetheless keep doing what you're doing. 👍🏼
@@TheTopher I watched your review on the 2018 one you did and that made me consider it heavily. If you haven't made your mind up already I would keep digging into it. Best car for the money on the planet.
Interesting.. I can get one of these or a Camaro LT1 for about 8k more. What would you go with? I do have young kids, but it seems somewhat doable in the Camaro.
@TheTopher I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks like this. I love the looks and the design of the new civic. After going back and forth over price I had to settle with a 2022 GT3 RS. What made me pull the trigger was the extra grocery bag space in the frunk. I got so lucky getting it MSRP compared to the civic. Highly sought after!
Love the car, and I’m in the market for a new car, but as a Michigander as well, the lack of heated seats (to me) is a deal breaker! Sucks that the Canadian cars get so much more content.
Really balanced review! As great as it is, I don't like the red seats, tablet on the dash, fake engine noise etc. I'm leaning towards a base 2022 WRX because I don't rack up a lot of miles and MPG isn't that big an issue. More power, like the interior more, and 4WD.
I’ve been really debating on getting this or the GR86! It’s a really tough decision but I really appreciate these videos. Very helpful on making an informed decision when the time comes
I spent a winter season with a mustang gt without any issues. Winter tires are an absolute MUST but RWD in the snow isn’t as bad as it’s made out to be. Ground clearance would more than likely be the bigger issue with the GR86.
Just tried to find one...the dealers around me are charging 38k. This is an unobtainable vehicle thanks to failures from Honda and their dealership network. Really puts a bad taste in my mouth.
Would be interested in trading in my 19 Civic SI 2 door for this because of the beautiful interior and all the new tech, but I realized they don’t make a coupe anymore. A hatchback SI would have been perfect for me, and shorter, which is more inline with a sportier car. Maybe it will come on the refresh.
i wish there were more cars like this that were longitudinal platforms (rwd/awd). yeah ik the brz and stuff exists but sedans are just objectively better
Hey Topher! One main deal breaker for me prevented buying an current civic si or previous gen model was no traditional hand brake system. If its a manual vehicle, keep things manual is my philosophy opinion. Haha! But overall civic si are good. Anyways out of the subject of civics have you review any ford feista st yet? Nice review man! 😎👍
While I agree, the sad reality is that most new enthusiast cars don’t have a manual handbrake. The ones on the top of my head I can think of: ND Miata GR86/BRZ New WRX Possibly still the 2022 GLI? Mk8 GTI/R doesn’t Possibly the Veloster N/Elantra N?
@@g60corrado91 I believe all four models you listed at the end there do come with the electric handbrake. I prefer my traditional handbrake but funny enough the car I own that does have one it doesn't work.
Instead of comparing this Si to the GTI, a much smaller hatchback, what about the Si's most natural competitor, the GLI, which isn't afflicted with the new GTI's catastrophe of an interior. Now you're talking a four-sedan of similar size, with normal knobs and switches for the infotainment, more power, the option of a 6-sd manual or DSG automatic, an eLSD up front, adaptive suspension, upgraded brakes, multi-link rear suspension, heated and cooled leather seats, etc.
Nicely designed and weighted physical controls feel more premium than any capacitive touch button. No idea (beyond cost) why companies keep pushing for it. Makes the whole car feel like a cheap android tablet otherwise.
“It’s not punishing but it’s definitely an active ride” he says… while the steering wheel bounces up and down @12:45 like crazy, as if he’s driving a wooden-wheeled horse drawn carriage on a bumpy dirt road in a Wild West movie.
Ive been car shopping since my Cooper S motor finally gave out recently, and this is the closest I've come to being excited by current offerings of MT hot hatches. Thanks for the thorough drive review... This is likely my next car.
@@antonroux6737 Have you driven both? Im super interested in both cars, but cant readily test drive them right now because they don't exist around me haha
@@toylbass the road noise of a 2022 Civic Sport Touring hatchback which I have driven is about 5dB quieter than the previous model BRZ at 60mph on the same dry road in similarly fine weather and low wind conditions with the AC turned off in both cars. I have measured this with the dB Meter app. That is a huge amount given decibels exist on a log scale. I have also test driven the 2022 BRZ with the PS4 tyres and although I wasn't able to take it on the highway for the test drive it was a very noisy experience and it seems at least as loud as the previous model. I completely lost interest in it, it was that bad. Unliveable. Otherwise it seems like a great car in terms of handling and performance. Even the ride comfort was decent.
My note to Honda: My first car was a 1994 Honda Accord DX, which my late Father purchased for me as a rising junior in high school back in 2000. With it, I fell in love with driving. Twenty-three years later, my plan was to purchase either a Honda Civic Si or R, which would have been my first Honda automobile since my Accord. Much to my dismay, I've not been able to locate a dealer in my state interested in selling either vehicle at MSRP. Instead, it seems the Si has a $5000 markup while the R has a $10,000 markup. Undoubtedly, folks will pay...but at what cost? Such a transactional approach to selling cars, in my opinion, loses more than it gains. I'm almost 40 years old and plan to purchase several additional cars in my lifetime. As of today, none of those cars will be manufactured by Honda. It's a shame; my plans to autocross, track, road trip, daily, and just plain enjoy a brilliant machine have been thwarted by the shortsightedness of money-blinded dealers. It's easy to blame the supply chain, blame inventory, blame others for paying such outreach premiums on supposedly-attainable performance vehicles. Honda, I wish you would do more; enthusiasts will not disappear with the sunset of the internal combustion engine. As I take my business elsewhere, good luck.
I’m your opinion, as someone who has driven both, is the higher price tag and higher base power of the Elantra N make it worth it over this Civic Si? Just wondering where you stand between the two in terms of FWD cars. Obviously the Elantra N appeals to a slightly wider variety of consumer, being more track focused than the Si, but as someone who is looking for a fun to drive FWD car and likes the more premium feature set that both of these offer, which would you recommend going with?
I’m in the same boat…have had great success owning hyundai vehicles and always wanted a honda but the Elantra N was such a blast test driving that I can’t make a decision :)
What would you prefer: this new Si or a Fiesta ST? I used to have an ST and loved how raw it was, everything else today seems to have lost the amazing driver feedback that those cars have. This new Si seems to have brought that back, and it's really gotten my interest. Especially considering its pricing compared to the competition. It'll be interesting to see what the Type R and Integra are like as daily driver/driver's car combos.
I really do miss the older small car pocket rocket scene. I wish more came over from euro and asia. Like a Polo GTI, Toyota Yaris RS/GR, Heck the current gen Ford fiesta ST. More fun pocket rockets please automakers one last go before we go full EV.
@@theredsalmon612 ummm what part of the conversation sparked the democrat assumption? All I said was i wish automakers can bring/kept making fun small pocket rockets, before we go EV.
I'm actually looking more into this SI than I thought. It's a cool, comfortable, fun, practical, manual car. I'll definitely be looking at one if I can't get my Audi RS3 in 3 years
it's a really nice car, i imagine if you are living in the usa 27K is not a huge deal for us citizen. I am sure that i would add 10k more to get a type r or i would simply buy used type r, because i believe type r is completely different alien.
Definitely a lot better rev hang then the last generation I'm sure the tweaks and lightened flywheel have a big part to play and aesthetically this is a much much much more pleasing car to look at
Great car, thorough review. Comparison: the ELantra N line has a real handbrake still and heated seats! 201 hp vs Si 200 hp, and the choice of a manual or DCT for about 25k. The Si has a bumpy bouncy ride! wow.
Every time I hear the start up chime it sounds like the car is about the play "The Rose" by Bette Midler. Awesome overview of one the best 2022 affordable options and what I would have bought if I hadn't gone BRZ. But as you said I wanted a rear wheel drive experience.
You know it's a great day when Topher uploads a 30 min review
That 6 speed never gets old man
The Topher loves it more than the usual car he reviews and Doug DeMuro doesn’t give it the praise it deserves. That’s how I know it’s a great car 😎
Okay but now that I watched it you right
Douggie is a sellout and his reviews are biased, full of unnecessary humour and overall 🗑 ! Topher does the best POV and reviews IMHO.
Doug is obsessed with features, drives the car for 10 minutes and call it a day. Still one of the best channel to know detailed information about quirks and features of a car. TheTopher seems more authentic and gives us neutral opinions.
lol Doug love quirks and features and this car is the opposite of quirky. It’s a refined, reasonable no non-sense sedan that is supremely fun to drive.. I go to doug to see weird stuff about weird cars and I go to Topher & Savage Geese when I want to hear what the driving experience is like.
Doug is like a normie enthusiast, if a car has good horsepower then it's all good.
This Civic SI is definitely underrated. It deserves the credit that you're giving in this video.
i love how this car is designed, with this design, this car could possibly age 10 more years without getting obsolete.
It’s Honda reliability
Man the 2014 and up are still stylish
@@sschevmale24And a good portion of that years models are probably still running today
08 civic si will always be the top of the line in terms of design. the coupe and sedans were just beautiful
Yeah those 9th gens seem to be taking over with the best looking gen nowadays👍🏼good for them
Ahhh yes. Finally, nice car with manual, good equipment and great engine. Lighter in car world for good price. And also reliable. The cars we really need!
Now just find one for msrp, I finally did and I bought it, but everywhere is wanting 5-10k over msrp near me.
@@wildairsoft1 it’s ridiculous
Nah man, I need a 7000 lbs EV suv with a million horsepower and 50 mile range and lets call it a "0 emission" vehicle. Fuckin done with that bullshit. Light cars like this one with nice power and an option of a manual that uses fuel efficiently is the answer
Still would’ve been nice to get the features the Canadian market Si got
elantra N and N line all day long.. this thing is a joke lol
Never pay mark up on a car, ever! It encourages this kind of behavior and screws you over in the future.
But how do you not pay if most dealers add a markup? Everyone says not to pay it but how do you avoid something thats everywhere?
@@meevc4319 Step 1 - don't open your wallet. Step 2 - walk out of there. Step 3 - ?????
@@meevc4319You could be patient or expand your search. Maybe even do both.
What if I’m 22 and I make 60k a year should I?
Is this a real question
When Honda nails it, that's my cup of tea. Nothing else
I’ve put 4600 miles on my 22 si so far. Great daily and great video!
Can I please know.. How much was the markup price for it?
@@JanardhenJ left ya hangin
One of the best, unbiased reviews I've seen for this car ! It's also actually pleasant to watch in POV.
bruh you should watch topher then too
The Topher is my favorite car reviewer on here. He knows wtf he’s talking about and not trying to copycat the rest.
Yeah! That’s exactly what I wanted to know. Love your reviews. I had a 2015 Civic SI that I loved until a pickup truck ramed into it while I was waiting at a red light three months ago, sending the car to the junk yard and my mom and me to the hospital... Now shopping for a brand new car and I find myself torn between the Civic SI and Mazda 3.
UPDATE I would have chosen the SI but I would have had to wait a few months an order without trying it first so instead I bought a used Acura ILX, made a good deal and that will have to do for now. Not as enjoyable as a manual but I least I get the same engine I had before. Naturally aspirated V-Techs are getting rare theses days lol
mazda3 interiors look wayyyy better but i would think these civics just handle and drive better! i test drove a mazda3 and really loved it
@@Abdullahxvii Yes the Mazda 3 interior looks amazing and the seat with lumbar support is very attractive to me since my back still hurts a bit from the accident, but I’m afraid to miss the fun that comes with driving the Civic SI. AWD is attractive too with snowy roads here part of the year
@@tania.1.618 I had a 2020 SI and traded it for a 2021 Mazda 3 Turbo. It’s much faster and smoother.
@@Dmoney1106 You don’t miss shifting lol? Although I think I might be ready for a more relaxed and smoother ride. That’s what I like about the Mazda 3, you sacrifice the joy of the manual but you get more power and comfort. I am looking at the Turbo too of course.
@@tania.1.618 I just got a mazda3 turbo it’s 100% worth it, it’s the perfect mix of comfort and sportiness. It’s an amazing daily driver and reliable but it’s also incredible when you want to blast around back roads or just have a little bit of fun.
Damn, son. As a daily driver of an '01 Integra GS-R Sedan for 18 years, this new SI speaks to me. A '20 STI may have replaced the Integra for winter commuting and client site visits, yet the love of those Honda revs never leaves the soul. I am really impressed with how Honda has integrated modern tech in with the UX and the safety suite without killing usability and safety. And that fuel economy is sick!
Spot-on regarding the new VW UX. I can't imagine living with that poor usability and VW should be ashamed to have that out on the market.
Addenda: @TheTopher, you nailed it with manual shift cars being more rewarding and engaging to drive -- especially the Si. I have thought about this topic for a long time, while driving the Integra and the STI, and I have found that MT vehicles help a driver focus on the task at hand, minimizing the distractions that can be more readily accessed with a CVT or Auto transmission equipped ride.
What's it saying?
@@brandon9638 I will caress you ears lovingly with revs upon revs.
@@YasumotoUS This sounds like a language of love
800 miles on my 2022 Civic SI. Would highly recommend the HPD package as it makes the car look far better than stock.
Overall I love my SI. I will just shortly go over my 2 annoyances with the car. If other 22 civic si owners see this, please comment with your perspectives please.
1. There is input lag in Apple Car Play. I have only ever had it once run smooth when changing a song. Otherwise it is a 1 to 2 second delay between input and song change. Absolutely not a deal breaker, feel like it just need a software update on Hondas end, App always up to date.
2. The rear view camera in daytime is “ok” but absolutely atrocious at night in dark places. Very grainy, pixelated, terrible picture quality. Also noticed that when it rains, rain drops tend to stick to the camera lens on the trunk, which makes using back up camera near impossible on rainy days.
I love my SI. These are my 2 biggest vehicle annoyances. If you have any questions feel free to ask.
$33,500 out the door with HPD package installed. If you are a patient buyer, and can look out of state, you can find a good deal with little to no mark up. Patience is a virtue for a reason lol.
I have noticed the input lag in my si also. very annoying but like you said not a dealbreaker
can’t stomach paying more than 25 for a civic si not gonna lie
@@HarryTwatter yuck, a VW 🤮
Based 🤷🏽♂️ Vw is great.
How bad is the rev hang? And do think there will be oil dilution problems with the engine?
Your POV Drives of the Civic Si are making me love it sooo much ❤️🥰 I love the GR 86, but this is the "Practical, FWD, efficient 86" it's such a winner! ❤️😩
2000 miles in on my black 22’ Si. So far it’s been a real treat of a daily drive and family hauler. Thanks for the videos. Super helpful when looking to buy 👍
im looking to get one. cant find one in my area.
i know im a year late but as an audio and car lover, i am listening to the sounds test you did and it translated really really well to my studio headphones, i did not expect that and im very impressed
I absolutely love this car. I bought mine at MSRP from Hare Honda in Avon, IN after the dealers here in Illinois were trying to charge 8,000+ in markup.
This is the most fun i've had in a Civic SI since the 8th gen and I've had them all aside from the 7th. There's something about it that's satisfying and fun to drive. It has an "It" factor that my 10th gen, and my MK7.5 GTI just didn't have.
what was your cost out the door? got mine from IL with the markup but talked them down a lot.
@@EyeDoctorJoe ~$30,400 out the door. No down payment.
Had to buy $1750 "pro pack" . Not bad considering.
@@stealth-x2995 got mine for 29k out the door with no down payment either. congrats!
@@stealth-x2995 whats the monthly on something like that?
Love the color choices, and the dashboard trim detail. Genuinely beautiful interior IMO.
100% agree on your thoughts about the mk8 GTI's interior. Pretty terrible to have defaulted with capacitive everything. The Civic Si's interior is the gold standard for how it should be done.
Nice review.
Stick shift for life. I hope Honda never removes the manual transmission from the SI.
I got a 2011 si and it’s my daily driver and I love it I love driving it great gas mileage very reliable and gets up to speed especially when you rev it you can’t ask for a better daily
The Canadian versionn SI is much more equiped....Heated steering wheell + front & back seats, full digital cluster, redline lights, dualzone CC, parking sensors, wireless charging, 2 rear USB-A ports, integrated NAV and homelink
I would buy in a heartbeat, even at a higher price tag if we could get that spec here in the US
I love my 10th gen Si, it’s a beast in the canyons. I imagine this one is really good.
Hey - I just got an SI 3 weeks ago, and really enjoy your videos and the driving tips for manual shifting. I 'specially liked your comment about the satisfaction it brings as you develop driving patterns for the new car. I learned to drive on a manual 3-speed '64 Mustang, and have driven manuals ever since. This SI is really fantastic, though I'm still adapting to it.
One comment you made in the video really intrigued me. You say that over time that the Civic learns and adapts to your driving patterns. If that's really so (and there's some kind of computer-based learning built into the SI), I'd say that's an amazing development.
Almost every car after (I wanna say) 2005-ish adapts to your driving style
@@g35s I feel like even my 2002 Prius learns my driving style to some extent.
Do you put premium in it or regular fuel in it?
@@Jrmint568 turbo needs 91 and up i belive
Topher is the best. Great voice too.
I just bought the new Si, and my wife is wondering why i keep watching Tophers videos if i already bought the car. Reason is he has great channel
I loved the 10th gen civic removable cup holder. I had a 2016 civic and it was amazing to be able to throw the cup holder in the dishwasher for quick clean
Super pumped to see the review. My thought is that it would always have made a fun daily driver. Reviews like this make me think I was right.
Wow your explanations of the cars driving experience is precise. I always get a good sense of what your talking about.
I watched his pov of 10th gen si and you see right away that he was disappointed but fair. When it comes to the 11th gen , you clearly see that he enjoys the experience much more. Exactly why I signed to trade my '19 Si for the 11th gen. I'm getting mine mid-July. I can't wait.
@Ricky Anthony Yeah I got close to 4000 km on it. I love it way more than my 10th gen.
F'ing Canadians
Working on my credit so I can get one too, what color did you pick?
Love seeing this filmed close to my workplace, gives a great perception of what to expect. Also I cannot believe you were going over 55 when merging, that’s a tight on ramp. That thing can grip
I bought a new ‘25 Si 2 weeks ago and already have 1,000 miles on it. It’s a fun and practical daily driver. You can drive this car normally, but it’s much more rewarding to drive a little harder all the time.
Topher! Thank you for another Si video! My decision to purchase one was easy to make based on your review and your honesty. The fact that you really enjoy the Si confirms that the vehicle really is great for what it is. A lot of 11th Gen haters in a few social media groups and I think they’re missing the point of the 11th Gen.
Again thank you for your videos and keep it up!
I have to say, the interior finish on new Hondas is pretty great. I recently got out of a 2017 bmw M3, and into a 2018 Accord. The interior in my accord makes the BMW feel so dated. Sure there are a few little things here and there Honda didn't put the extra money into, but overall I absolutely love being in the accord interior. Sure the car has about 250 less horsepower but it'll last forever.
Someone got repoed
So you're telling me you went from an M3 down to an accord? 💀
Toyota Avalon and the Honda Accord has really nice interior.
You're comparing a sports car to a family car
If you got the 2.0t, I’d say you didn’t downgrade TOO much. The 2.0T is a great performance sedan.
I’ve had my ‘22 si since December and I love it!
My 2019 Mazda3 manual also has adaptive cruise control and Lane keeping assist. Glad to see Honda joining the game. We need more manual cars that have that. So good on long trips.
Honda has had this since 2017
I have a 2020 Si Coupe. I love it. Fun to drive and easy to drive standard in. Only thing I don't like about it is the rev hang. Other than that, I love the car. Very powerful and incredibly fast. Great car.
The 2022 Civic Si looks amazing. I'd really like to get one once my lease is up
Just picked up a new 24 SI and I love it. 500 miles in 4 days, cannot wait to really crack it open soon
Definitely going to be picking one of these up in the next year or so... Ticks all the boxes for a daily driver that can also have some fun at the occasional autocross or track day on the weekends. I've been daily driving a Mustang GT for 5 years, but gas prices are really starting to kill me. Will never get rid of it though.
You get one yet?
Have you picked it up?
@@Zach.3246 I got a sport touring hatch instead.
@@ronsmith4325 Honda?
@@Zach.3246 Yes...
I’m glad you mentioned markups. So many reviewers talk msrp when no one can get a car for that price.
Heated cloths seats are the best. They actually get warm lol
USA its not a option so he cant get it even if he wanted to
I really appreciate how detailed you are in each of your videos.
Man they should've left the K24 on this car. That was peak Si era. I do love rev match but I have decided I will not be continuing in the Si world. Have a Camaro 2SS 1LE on order. Good review nonetheless keep doing what you're doing. 👍🏼
Great choice on the Camaro, I was considering one of those recently too
@@TheTopher I watched your review on the 2018 one you did and that made me consider it heavily. If you haven't made your mind up already I would keep digging into it. Best car for the money on the planet.
Interesting.. I can get one of these or a Camaro LT1 for about 8k more. What would you go with? I do have young kids, but it seems somewhat doable in the Camaro.
@TheTopher I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks like this. I love the looks and the design of the new civic. After going back and forth over price I had to settle with a 2022 GT3 RS. What made me pull the trigger was the extra grocery bag space in the frunk. I got so lucky getting it MSRP compared to the civic. Highly sought after!
@@agoniesfury huge price difference there lol
One of the best reviews of the 11th gen on the internet.
Love the car, and I’m in the market for a new car, but as a Michigander as well, the lack of heated seats (to me) is a deal breaker! Sucks that the Canadian cars get so much more content.
Get a mazda3 turbo ;)
I got an older civic si with fabric and I leave the car outside all the time and Ive never had issues with cold or hot seats.
@@bucknut2000 true. People are acting like they’re going to be sitting on cold metal. Cloth barely gets cold lol
You can get aftermarket seat heaters installed. I think this is purely a shortage thing. They left out simple things for no real reason.
@@SIIKAP1 seat heaters do an amazing job at warming you up while the cabin is still cold.
Topher is the best manual driver/reviewer...👍👍
Really balanced review! As great as it is, I don't like the red seats, tablet on the dash, fake engine noise etc. I'm leaning towards a base 2022 WRX because I don't rack up a lot of miles and MPG isn't that big an issue. More power, like the interior more, and 4WD.
did u get the wrx?
Honda always does a great job.
Love this car. Honda dealers just want too much money. 5-15k over sticker near me.
Looks way more mature than the 10th gen, interior is very well done.
I’ve been really debating on getting this or the GR86! It’s a really tough decision but I really appreciate these videos. Very helpful on making an informed decision when the time comes
If you don't need the back seats, definitely get the GR86.
Man I have been thinking the same thing. I love the 2022 86 and this car. I would need it to be a daily and I deal with some snow.
@@Daniel-mw7pu I’ve never owned anything newer than 2008. Most of my cars have been early 2000’s
@@rhodycars6058 idk what you want our of a daily but rwd and snow can be great fun. Get a good set of winter tires and it will work fine in the snow.
I spent a winter season with a mustang gt without any issues. Winter tires are an absolute MUST but RWD in the snow isn’t as bad as it’s made out to be. Ground clearance would more than likely be the bigger issue with the GR86.
just purchased my 22 Si w/ 1 mile on it. love it so far
Just tried to find one...the dealers around me are charging 38k. This is an unobtainable vehicle thanks to failures from Honda and their dealership network. Really puts a bad taste in my mouth.
I’m gonna be honest. You just sold me this car
Would be interested in trading in my 19 Civic SI 2 door for this because of the beautiful interior and all the new tech, but I realized they don’t make a coupe anymore. A hatchback SI would have been perfect for me, and shorter, which is more inline with a sportier car. Maybe it will come on the refresh.
@@HarryTwatter Integra will have a hatch, but is based on the sedan so length will be more in line with the Si than Civic hatch.
The hatchback in manual is still fun, has more interior features.
I enjoyed your daily driver run-around-town video this time. And I love the Civic SI (I had the 3-door hatch back in '95)!
i wish there were more cars like this that were longitudinal platforms (rwd/awd). yeah ik the brz and stuff exists but sedans are just objectively better
Great review, just got my SI yesterday!
Would love to see a Pov Porsche 718 with the 2.0
A Topher reveal at 9:22. There goes the witness protection program gig...
Hey Topher! One main deal breaker for me prevented buying an current civic si or previous gen model was no traditional hand brake system. If its a manual vehicle, keep things manual is my philosophy opinion. Haha! But overall civic si are good. Anyways out of the subject of civics have you review any ford feista st yet? Nice review man! 😎👍
The main deal breaker is an electric handbrake on a FWD car. Ok. 🙄
While I agree, the sad reality is that most new enthusiast
cars don’t have a manual handbrake. The ones on the top of my head I can think of:
ND Miata
GR86/BRZ
New WRX
Possibly still the 2022 GLI? Mk8 GTI/R doesn’t
Possibly the Veloster N/Elantra N?
@@g60corrado91 I believe all four models you listed at the end there do come with the electric handbrake. I prefer my traditional handbrake but funny enough the car I own that does have one it doesn't work.
Does everyone use the handbrake, I rarely use mine , but I live in a flat area . I typically just put it in second or first
@@g60corrado91 a mustang gt has one :)
Civic is just the king of hatchbacks.
Doug DeMuro had a totally different take on it. Your review is incredibly better.
That dude suck.
This civics interior design is impeccable. It's rear taillights are attractive, unlike the older civic with tentacles rear lights
I like the 10th gen civics design more, new civics look good too but to me they have more personality then the new civics.
Instead of comparing this Si to the GTI, a much smaller hatchback, what about the Si's most natural competitor, the GLI, which isn't afflicted with the new GTI's catastrophe of an interior. Now you're talking a four-sedan of similar size, with normal knobs and switches for the infotainment, more power, the option of a 6-sd manual or DSG automatic, an eLSD up front, adaptive suspension, upgraded brakes, multi-link rear suspension, heated and cooled leather seats, etc.
Facts the GLI is much better
So nice to see this with every I look and see a giant SUV blocking my view out there.
Nicely designed and weighted physical controls feel more premium than any capacitive touch button. No idea (beyond cost) why companies keep pushing for it. Makes the whole car feel like a cheap android tablet otherwise.
thanks for the vid Topherino! Caw caw
Veloster/ Elantra N is the best option if you can afford a couple more thousand.
I wish Elantra N was RWD though
I just picked up an 8th gen 4 door. I’m in love 😍
Drive the 2022 civic sport
About to buy it as my first brand new car 🐐
Also good morning 🖤
@@strawberryfields9041 Enjoy it. Just make sure you're not paying any markups AKA "market adjustment fees".
@@kevinnorris6558 oh yeah! It’s insane
Found one that’s retail
Nothing like new car smell,
@@noelking1792 yessir
“It’s not punishing but it’s definitely an active ride” he says… while the steering wheel bounces up and down @12:45 like crazy, as if he’s driving a wooden-wheeled horse drawn carriage on a bumpy dirt road in a Wild West movie.
Honda dealers in my area have been asking 38-40k on this...LOL
Ive been car shopping since my Cooper S motor finally gave out recently, and this is the closest I've come to being excited by current offerings of MT hot hatches. Thanks for the thorough drive review... This is likely my next car.
Awesome review as always. How would you compare the road noise to the BRZ? I have had 2 BRZs before, and am curious how this compares in that regard.
Also curious about this. I’m trading in my 13’ FR-S 10 Series for one of these, and the road noise was one of my concerns.
topherino, we need you! Following this comment as well
road noise on brz is horrible! this is definitely better
@@antonroux6737 Have you driven both? Im super interested in both cars, but cant readily test drive them right now because they don't exist around me haha
@@toylbass the road noise of a 2022 Civic Sport Touring hatchback which I have driven is about 5dB quieter than the previous model BRZ at 60mph on the same dry road in similarly fine weather and low wind conditions with the AC turned off in both cars. I have measured this with the dB Meter app. That is a huge amount given decibels exist on a log scale. I have also test driven the 2022 BRZ with the PS4 tyres and although I wasn't able to take it on the highway for the test drive it was a very noisy experience and it seems at least as loud as the previous model. I completely lost interest in it, it was that bad. Unliveable. Otherwise it seems like a great car in terms of handling and performance. Even the ride comfort was decent.
My note to Honda:
My first car was a 1994 Honda Accord DX, which my late Father purchased for me as a rising junior in high school back in 2000. With it, I fell in love with driving.
Twenty-three years later, my plan was to purchase either a Honda Civic Si or R, which would have been my first Honda automobile since my Accord.
Much to my dismay, I've not been able to locate a dealer in my state interested in selling either vehicle at MSRP. Instead, it seems the Si has a $5000 markup while the R has a $10,000 markup.
Undoubtedly, folks will pay...but at what cost?
Such a transactional approach to selling cars, in my opinion, loses more than it gains.
I'm almost 40 years old and plan to purchase several additional cars in my lifetime.
As of today, none of those cars will be manufactured by Honda.
It's a shame; my plans to autocross, track, road trip, daily, and just plain enjoy a brilliant machine have been thwarted by the shortsightedness of money-blinded dealers.
It's easy to blame the supply chain, blame inventory, blame others for paying such outreach premiums on supposedly-attainable performance vehicles.
Honda, I wish you would do more; enthusiasts will not disappear with the sunset of the internal combustion engine.
As I take my business elsewhere, good luck.
I’m your opinion, as someone who has driven both, is the higher price tag and higher base power of the Elantra N make it worth it over this Civic Si? Just wondering where you stand between the two in terms of FWD cars.
Obviously the Elantra N appeals to a slightly wider variety of consumer, being more track focused than the Si, but as someone who is looking for a fun to drive FWD car and likes the more premium feature set that both of these offer, which would you recommend going with?
I’m in the same boat…have had great success owning hyundai vehicles and always wanted a honda but the Elantra N was such a blast test driving that I can’t make a decision :)
It’s like it got bigger and the engine got smaller…so awesome!!!
What would you prefer: this new Si or a Fiesta ST? I used to have an ST and loved how raw it was, everything else today seems to have lost the amazing driver feedback that those cars have. This new Si seems to have brought that back, and it's really gotten my interest. Especially considering its pricing compared to the competition. It'll be interesting to see what the Type R and Integra are like as daily driver/driver's car combos.
I really do miss the older small car pocket rocket scene. I wish more came over from euro and asia. Like a Polo GTI, Toyota Yaris RS/GR, Heck the current gen Ford fiesta ST. More fun pocket rockets please automakers one last go before we go full EV.
@@paulsalvo235 I bet you vote Democrat
This thing won’t feel nearly as raw as the fiesta st. It will be way better as a daily though
@@theredsalmon612 ummm what part of the conversation sparked the democrat assumption? All I said was i wish automakers can bring/kept making fun small pocket rockets, before we go EV.
@@theredsalmon612 wtf?
I'm actually looking more into this SI than I thought. It's a cool, comfortable, fun, practical, manual car. I'll definitely be looking at one if I can't get my Audi RS3 in 3 years
@@HarryTwatter I can like other cars :( The Audi is my obtainable dream car, but the Civic would be a decent price fun alternative that has a manual
Dream car? Lol Why would you want that in 3 years everything will be EV
it's a really nice car, i imagine if you are living in the usa 27K is not a huge deal for us citizen. I am sure that i would add 10k more to get a type r or i would simply buy used type r, because i believe type r is completely different alien.
27k is a huge deal for any citizen
We are actually really poor and in debt contrary to popular belief
@@Szcza04 yeah, yeah very poor. 3k per month is like nothing there, in my country only 0.1% makes that much.
and then theres singapore… 1.6l 129hp civic @ SGD$120k…
almost 89kUSD
Almost no dealer sells Si for MSRP now (and most certainly not type R).
I can see why Tedward is getting one, just a great car through-and-through
Looks like a very jarring ride…
@@HarryTwatter even with those adaptive dampers it was still really stiff
Idk why im watching this..like, I have this car in black and I love it.
Premium gas to do 0-60 in 7 seconds? No thanks.
Where did you get 7 seconds from?
@@CARBONHAWK1 around the 7ish 0-60 seconds is about average though. If you brake boost it, I’ve seen low to mid 6’s.
If you get better tires you’ll likely do much better. Fwd cars wheel hop a lot from a dig.
@@juliansilva5272 💯 true
This man just sold me on this car
you convinced me to get one of these bro. was gonna go for the accord sport but that was just SO had to find
What a nice town you are driving through at the start of the video.
thanks for a reminder of how badly the roads are maintained in Metro Detroit area. Left 30 yrs ago. Not much has changed.
Your phone was in the lock screen. Sometimes Apple CarPlay won't connect on that first try if the phone isn't open past your unlock screen.
Definitely a lot better rev hang then the last generation I'm sure the tweaks and lightened flywheel have a big part to play and aesthetically this is a much much much more pleasing car to look at
Honda has been killin it
cannot wait for the new R
Great car, thorough review. Comparison: the ELantra N line has a real handbrake still and heated seats! 201 hp vs Si 200 hp, and the choice of a manual or DCT for about 25k. The Si has a bumpy bouncy ride! wow.
crazy how this video made me buy one of these.
Nice, great point about cold weather. It will get enjoyed for longer rides, but hey I’m getting too old for Si. I feel the same way about my 8 gen Si
I’m 38 and still daily driving my 8th gen SI! Never too old!
just came across your channel thanks to YT suggestion - you're a great reviewer. Subscribed
Every time I hear the start up chime it sounds like the car is about the play "The Rose" by Bette Midler. Awesome overview of one the best 2022 affordable options and what I would have bought if I hadn't gone BRZ. But as you said I wanted a rear wheel drive experience.
Best Honda interior yet. ALMOST as good as the new mazdas