Been replaying through the game and I can definitely say for certain there are way too many small things that add up. Like the automatic lock on and character dialog. Why aren't there options to disable them? It doesn't make sense. Especially when there are some places in the game with tons of enemies you need to kill in a small spot. The auto lock on is especially infuriating when it locks onto an enemy when you are just trying to carry something back, or when it locks onto a small enemy that is moving. It also just sucks how there isnt a 2 player coop mode for the story. Especially since what would normally be challenge mode is in the story mode itself.
The auto-lock on wouldn't be so bad if only it could be turned on and off for the player's preference. Yeah, co-op is TERRIBLE, it wasn't fun in Super Mario Galaxy, neither in Super Mario Odyssey, and it is not fun here to be a mere pointer. Pikmin 3 Deluxe already had a great co-op mode. All Pikmin 4 had to do was make Oatchi playable for the second player, that's it.
Even though Olimar's shipwreck tale disproves this (though it's also not really accurate since Olimar LEAVES notes on the other pikmin types), my personal headcannon is that Pikmin 4's Olimar was forced to survive an absolutely cracked Pikmin 1, with all 7 pikmin types and all the new features, and just couldn't do it. Some of his ship parts fell in caves, some of them guarded by worse creatures than he ever had to face in Pikmin 1 (we're going to assume the nerfed hp and instakills aren't accurate), it was just an all around disaster. And so he failed to meet the deadline and got the bad ending. This is pikmin 2 squared as everyone jokes about, only the squared went to the difficulty.
It deeply saddens me to say this but, I didn't really like PIKMIN 4 as a PIKMIN game. PIKMIN 4 changed far to much, was far to easy, and far to many tutorials/captions talking in gameplay for me to like this game as a PIKMIN game. As a standalone game this game is great but as a PIKMIN game it is the WORST mainline PIKMIN game (not including Hey! PIKMIN) but the six main things that make me don’t like this game is 1. Oatchi 2. The new camera 3. The difficulty 4. The auto lock on 5. Only 3 PIKMIN types out at a time 6. The complete story reboot. These six things ruin PIKMIN 4 for me. The only one I feel like I have to explain is the new camera that’s closer to the PIKMIN. The new camera makes it feel like a different game not PIKMIN and is also the reason the auto lock on, because it’s incredibly difficult to throw PIKMIN with the camera so close. Another reason for the camera situation is the reason the camera was like that was to remind you how small Olimar and the PIKMIN are, to help you throw PIKMIN and to let you see more of your surroundings. The new camera gets rid of all of that and makes it feel like any other game so new comers don’t struggle. Now you can move the camera to be more like traditional PIKMIN but the levels weren’t designed around that so it ends up being more of an inconvenience than anything. I waited years for a PIKMIN game that, too me, doesn’t even feel like PIKMIN which deeply saddens me. I hope they get there act together next game and makes a actual PIKMIN game not just some other game called PIKMIN. But with all of that said I'm still glad that everyone one else is enjoying this game, and it makes me thrilled to see how many new PIKMIN fans have come from PIKMIN 1/2 HD and PIKMIN 4. PIKMIN means so much to me and many others and I'll stick with this franchise until I die but this game will always be one of my least favorite PIKMIN games.
I could see why oatchi is making the game too easy, especially in fights like the long-legs since they can’t get stepped on when they’re all on this speedy dog, but I don’t feel like it ruins the game. And the game is a bit too easy but I think it’s a GREAT improvement from pikmin 3’s easy asf difficulty. I lost a few dozen pikmin, which isn’t something I can usually say after a pikmin 3 run. I find the game to be almost perfect if you play without using the lightning strikes and bomb rocks (except for walls), because those are just bomb rocks from 1 and bitter spray from 2 all over again which are way too powerful. I know saying “play without the win button makes it harder” is stupid but it makes it more challenging for me. And I didn’t personally find the 3 pikmin limit to be as annoying as I thought it would be, it’s actually kinda nice to have some incentive to not bring ice pikmin everywhere, cause they’re not helping the games difficulty… I think with a downloadable hard difficulty and maybe a game mode that actually uses winged pikmin would make the game nearly perfect. Justice for winged pikmin 👊 Edit: oh and add a setting to disable auto-lock
@@cammac6243 The thing with oatchi is that I find my self barely using the PIKMIN because I have oatchi which is better than the PIKMIN in almost every way. He can carry things that way up to 100, when he carries stuff he holds it in his mouth, you can ride him and keep all of your PIKMIN safe, you can kill LOADS of enemy's with just oatchi, he can swim and attack stuff under water, when he swims he can keep any and all PIKMIN on his back, he can just sniff out stuff and tell you where it is getting rid of any exploration, he can dash infinitely which means you will never want to walk as your character again, he can jump and your player can't which incentivizes you to ride oatchi even MORE, his charge into enemy's thing does a huge amount of damage so you will never want to fight any thing with out oatchi ever again, there are just a few things you MUST do with or as oatchi, and I'm just scratching the tip of the iceberg with the hole oatchi thing. The three PIKMIN cap is just annoying I get it the tree PIKMIN cap creates challenge so you can't just have all PIKMIN to do everything but I just find it annoying because if I don't have the PIKMIN I have to run back to the onion grab the PIKMIN I need run back, it's just such a huge time waster. And for the bomb rocks, lightning, and ultra spicy spray I'm fine with it. It's all completely optional and I rarely used them ever. And one of the biggest problems with the game that I can't believe I forgot to talk about, Winged PIKMIN. They COMPLETELY RUINED Winged PIKMIN. Winged PIKMIN are now just a worse yellow PIKMIN that contribute NOTHING to the game what so ever. This is OUTRAGEOUS and I WILL NOT stand for it.
@@PikminAndStuff ok that was way too much to reply too haha but winged pikmin are not worse than yellow pikmin, they just never get used. They’re the last pikmin type and there’s very few caves that use them. They have better flight paths since they fly things over pits and water. Infinite dash is a post-game ability, so it’s not busted, just speeds up the 100% completion. Oatchi is very strong and I think they went a little overboard with his uses but i don’t think it ruins the game, just makes it easy. A game being “easy” isn’t ruined imo.
One of the core aspects of Pikmin's identity is the hostility and mystery of the planet. The air itself is trying to kill you, and all you can do is survive and escape. No matter how many powerful enemies you defeat, it feels like you're only scratching the surface of what the planet could throw at you. Pikmin 4 commits the cardinal sin of allowing you to tame the planet. Enemies don't respawn, and virtually every hazard can be disabled, allowing you to make every location feel completely safe. The ability to fight enemies at night removes all of the significance of the sundown mechanic, since you have all the tools you need to fend off nighttime predators now. The number of explorers that know about the planet and journey here in search of fortune make it feel more like an off-kilter tourist trap, and having your team constantly watching over your shoulder and commenting on your experiences removes that sense of solitude needed to make the planet feel threatening. Then you factor in the mechanical ways they toned down the dangers with Wollywogs having a smaller kill cap, nerfing the Waterwraith AI, all the difficulty drops carried over from Pikmin 3, and the entire planet feels more like the intended result of Jurassic Park. I've often said that Breath of the Wild is my favorite Pikmin game on Switch, because that game manages to capture the feeling of a world that wants to kill you better than the mainline Pikmin series has in almost 20 years. I credit Pikmin 4 for adding many quality of life features that mechanically improve upon older titles, but aspects like Pikmin suggestions and cave previews go way too far in removing the sense of mystery and motivation to explore that the older titles do so well. The reality is that quality of life features are antithetical to an environment where you're fighting for your life against all odds, and they have to be carefully integrated in ways that don't clash with immersion, such as Pikmin AI improvements or the new base setup mechanic. After playing the four main titles, I'm left with a ranking of 2, 1, 4, 3.
Regarding electricity- it does kill the pikmin now- it just takes a few seconds, akin to them burning or drowning, but instead of going crazy, they are just lying there on the ground
Compared to 3, the flying pikmin were MASSIVELY nerfed. In 3, it feels like they're very organic, but in 4, they feel a lot more mechanical. But if they were going to be that much of a problem, just make them the last pikmin type you get.
hot take: yellows are super useful in pikmin 1, like half the treasures are locked behind bomb rocks or their throw height, and tell me this. would you rather fight a yellow wollywog or would you just throw 2 bombs and send it to the mamuta in the sky
@@somerandominternetdude1 this one, but I made this comment when the video changed name to something among the lines of "is Pikmin 4 overrated?" In my opinion it's not overrated because I see everyone ever extremely vocal about it's hundreds of flaws
Pikmin 4 is probably my goty in this really stacked year. Even if the game is really easy, and you can spam the spicy spray to beat the bosses really easily, it's still so much fun. I never was the biggest Pikmin fan, but this game reignited my love for this franchise.
Shepherd, along with the rest of the Rescue Corp, are following the dog-theme of the game and are loosley named around dogs. >Collin >Bernard >Russ etc.
Ice Pikmin being used in all but one area feels kind of overbearing. The hard part is figuring out which area to remove them from. The one their onion is in would be the first to can except that's where their onion is and it's a neat spot. Having upgrading to 5 types on the field would feel like the best course of action. That way utility pikmin actually get to be useful. You can bring those wings or purples or whites and have them be useful in the situations you want to use them. I did a reduced Oatchi playthrough for my second one and the game felt much better just not having all of those upgrades. The last Sage Leaf trial was actually really tough with Oatchi only able to carry 10 Pikmin worth, and it felt good to get it at the end. Part of the problem is that they force Oatchi on you a lot. And I get it, they want you to use the mechanic. But it's like forcing you to use the awful affection mechanic in pokemon games, rather than letting you grind your pokemon to some stupid level to make the game easy. No, I don't want to have free focus band, that's cheating. Because you have to ride him to access parts of the map, you're on him more than you should. And the charge is half the problem. I kind of wish Oatchi had a carry limit, to like 20 pikmin or something. The stronger pikmin types will still do a good chunk and you still have the charge, but it would make things a lot less brainless. I also find it funny how people say Pikmin 2 is the "not pikmin" of the set because of the massive change when it turns the time management into resource management. Does the time limit in Pikmin 1 even matter? Maybe for people who aren't good at games, but most people can probably get all of the parts in the time frame. The real challenge is figuring out your route to beat your best time. Which Pikmin 2 still has in its own unique ways. Caves are part of your route and you need to think about them carefully. Going into Snagret Hole to raise blues to not waste time in the overworld doing it is a great example of this. Caves also send pikmin back to the onions if you want to save time from rounding them up. It's not the exact same but you are still going for a best time because it displays your best times on the leaderboard. I think Pikmin 4 could use more product treasures. The fake products of Switch Pikmin 2 are perfectly fine for this. You don't find items you expect to be sold most of the time (ignoring Nintendo treasures). I want more batteries, containers, and other stuff where it feels like a real product even though it's a fake one. It c ould have also had more long caves. Not 15 floor caves, just a couple of 7-8 floors. Anyway, I like 4 a lot, though 2 is still my favorite.
Bulbmin ARE in Pikmin 4 They are the glow pikmin... Okay let me explain... Bulbmin are parasite creatures, is not really a Pikmin that looks like a Bulboar, is a parasite controlling the body of a Bulboar, it's pretty common in nature actually. And you can tell that before those parasites enter a bulboar they are green, and can't leave caves... Just like glow Pikmin, so that's my theory
13:38 Pirples being slow is an intentional design choice to make combat with them more punishing... when you fight an enemy with a purple you have to commit to fighting it or else your purples are at risk of dying or being unable to escape due to their low speed. purples are still broken tho lol. Pikmin 4 making it more convenient is a negative for me because it removes a lot of what makes some types so special and unique in comparison to each other (whites were the only pikmin that could keep up with you after obtaining the speed upgrade in 2, flowered pikmin being much faster giving them more reward compared to being leafed)
Pikmin 1 and especially 3 are my favorite of the franchise. 4 was good, but not exactly my thing. I enjoyed Olimar's shipwrecked tale more than the base game. I just dont jell with 2 and 4's type of gameplay. As the developers stated, 1 and 3 have time management gameplay and 2 and 4 have type management gameplay.
I have timed it before and NO! Oatchi is not faster than the player character! He looks like he is and should! But he's not! EDIT: No Pikmin 4 is not a reboot necisarily! One of the lead developers said in an interview that where the game goes in the timeline is up to each individual player!
Personally I think regarding the challenge, the game provides enough stuff if you know where to look to be satisfying. Some of the most fun i've had in a pikmin game was with some of the dandori challenges and battles, and I like how many possibilities the items give you to experiment - such as using the ice blast and spicy spray to get blues slightly early. Also i opted not to get the charge horn as i find mashing to throw pikmin more visceral lol.
I'm enjoying the game but I have to be honest it took a good 5 hours of playtime before I started really getting into it. The game starts so so slow, lots of dialogue and tutorial stuff. I find the controls a bit confusing and overwhelming. I don't like how the controls appear on screen whenever you're idle for a little bit. And yeah I havent found much of a challenge yet, about 10 hours in. It's still fun though but I'm eager for the difficulty to spike
I am a brand new pikmin fan. I played all the games for the first time in preparation for 4 and I have to say, I’m kind of disappointed. Don’t get me wrong, The game is good. Really good in fact. But I feel like it messes up on a lot of the little things and all of those little things start to pile up over time. One of the most annoying things about this game is that the characters never stop talking. In the beginning of the game the characters never stop talking, but after you get to the second area it basically stops and you can always skip the dialogue which is nice. The problem is that the characters will still talk to you during gameplay and their dialog boxes appear right in the middle of the screen. It’s a very annoying and even during the freaking Final boss it still happens! I looked in the Settings menu to see if there was any way to turn off their commentary and surprise surprise there’s not. I was literally yelling at my TV for the characters to just shut the hell up💀. I feel like pikmin 4 lacks the charm every other game in the series has. every other game in the series he feels like you’re a little person exploring a post apocalypse earth, in pikmin 4 it feels like you’re exploring somebody’s house while they’re on vacation. The day/night system should not be in this game as it only harms it. Since there is no day limit, the system does not need to be here in the slightest so all it does is drag you away from having fun and make you sit through a bunch of dialogue boxes and loading screens until you can finally get back to what you were doing. This was a problem in pikmin 2 as well and it’s just as bad here. I also hate how they took the side mode of this game and just shoved into the main story. I don’t like how it breaks up the normal gameplay. And Don’t even get me started on how unnecessarily confusing this games placement in the timeline is. I honestly could go on for even longer since I have many other problems with the game, but I think you get the point. I hear a lot of people called this the perfect Pikmin game and I completely disagree with that. I do like pikmin 4 but it just has too much holding it back for me and I can honestly never see myself replaying it in the future (also I made a video about pikmin 4 a couple months ago except it’s a lot shorter and it has almost the exact same title as yours and I just thought that was really funny)
I don't see how the Day and Night system shouldn't exist if there is no Day Limit. Like the points it to incentivize you to do all your activities in a set amount of time. The No Day Limit isn't imo a problem b/c it's not trying to focus on time pressure but on pikmin limits instead.
Why would you call a reduction in difficulty a corporatification of videogames? the hard videogames you cite are all just as much corperate products. Pikmin was meant to be a system seller for the Gamecube, Super Mario 1 was a cultural phenomenon. And players didn't just grin and bear the difficulty and perservere in the old days, they got frustrated and quit forever or used game sharks or maybe even taught themselves modding. Corperations had to be dragged kicking and screaming to implement accessible difficulties, with them being pioneered in the indie sphere first. If anything, the extra dev time needed to make games as friendly as possible is less corporate than keeping the difficulty high. It must be a QA nightmare to make sure the difficulty is appropriate for a target audience of children.
my all time favorite game series are pikmin and super mario brothers and nintendo broke my heart with both this year i took for granted how good pikmin 3 was until recently it makes me cry knowing nintendo will never make a game that good again, theres nothing stopping them they just choose not to, they could have made a better game years ago
My bad! I completely forgot it in the script. I don’t play many games co-op so it’s something that slips my mind often. But that being said I think everyone has summarized why it’s so bad on the internet already.
Think the last thing you need to swarm is literally found in the last cave in the game, as well as requiring a lot of other randomly scattered collectibles, so it may as well not exist
I hate pikmin 4 and think it ruined the franchise (I havent seen the video yet, but im still commenting that the game is really bad) 3 and 1 are amazing though
Pikmin 4 is a good game but it is far from perfect. I keep hearing a lot of people say it’s the perfect Pikmin game but I completely disagree. I feel like this is just one of those games were almost everybody is in a honeymoon phase with it with recency bias
I personally don't like the older style of pikmin. Pikmin 4 is so relaxing and the environments and visuals are so good. It's basically the old vs. New zelda games. I prefer the older zelda formula but others don't. So for me pikmin 4 is perfect. It's not a honeymoon phase. I knew after playing pikmin 3 that it wasn't my favorite.
i really love the idea of "being a patron of the art of gaming." i feel that deeply. i haven't played pikmin 4 yet, but it's clear you have a lot of love for the series overall. i forgive you for not enjoying pikmin 3, but it won't happen again. love your stuff, jeff!
I don't think a game being easy or having an easy mode is a bad thing, plus the previous pikmin games werent all that dificult, i would consider them to be easy. And if easy games are bad then Kirby is the worst pice of garbage of all time
I do think it's interesting how the opinions on Pikmin tend to split. A lot of people looking for a more hardcore experience gravitate towards the second game as their favorite, while a lot of newer fans and casual gamers really like the third game. I do think Pikmin 4 does a very good job balancing these expectations. It does remove a lot of the mechanical skill necessary to play the first 2 games effectively, but it does really emphasize the thing Pikmin was essentially build on. Proper Dandori. The theme of proper time management is as always ever present in the game, but it feels like for the first time since Pikmin 1 the series puts a real spotlight on it. Dandori Battles and Challenges are an essential part of the game and Olimar Mode slashing your time limit from the first game in half, even if very achievable for a veteran, might prove a real challenge for a newcomer. The concept of Dandori is always mentioned to the point where the explanaitian of the term from the loading screen is one of the things I remember most. Going for platinum medals in this game is something I find very enjoyable and would probably be a lot harder without the auto lock-on and a lot of what makes the game easy in a casual setting (most of all how overpowered Oatchi is) feels like a necessary resource when the game is at it's most difficult. It might just be recency bias, but at this point I would also feel comfortable calling Pikmin 4 the best in the series. Good job on the video, was surprised how low your views are, because this video does deserve a lot more. Hope you still catch a bit of the Pikmin 4 hype on the algorhythm.
I take issue with the comment that purple pikmin are rare in pikmin 4 on the contrary, now that you can pick the specific sublevel of a cave upon re-enter, coupled with the fact that purple candypop buds don't stop spawning once you reach a certain threshold (as was the case with easy to access purple candypop buds in 2, i.e. in the first few, shorter caves that you can find them in), getting an army of 100 purps a complete non-issue also I hate russ so you can block me I guess
I distinctly remember getting about half way through the game and just being so disappointed in the fact that the Pikmin I like died on the GameCube. This game plays almost nothing like any of the prior games and I can’t help but feel betrayed at the fact we waited 10 years for this semi Pikmin experience. Half of the content is Pikmin 2 remastered but made way easier for little 5 year olds. I know this is catered to five year olds cause I gave my copy to my five year old nephew and he loves it, so I’m glad it’s appealing to new people but Pikmin 1 2 and 3s formula were also appealing to 5 yos seeing as most fans of the first games played them when they were in that age range. Fans for life thrown to the wayside to make the system more approachable to newcomers. It’s a beautiful game and I love the graphics but I loved Pikmin 3s graphics and that still plays like a Pikmin game
I've only played the demo but when playing it it never felt like a Pikmin game to me so probably won't be picking it up, if they get rid of the autolock being mandatory then I might give it a shot though.
Still annoyed that Puffmin got entirely forgotten too, especially considering the Pikmin 1 remake in 4, and the "miniboss" that causes that transformation, but they changed it's attack! Like WTH Nintendo, don't even bother bringing something back if you're just going to drop the ball like that!
Most reviews I've seen of Pikmin 4 talk about how easy it is, but this was my first real playthrough of a Pikmin game. I found a lot of the boss fights pretty challenging since the enemies were new to me, and I didn't know how to beat them at first. I actually lost hordes of pikmin to normal enemies a few times, too. And failed the night mission SPECTACULARLY on my first try. When the water wraith spawned, I yelled, "What the heck is that thing?!" and scared the crap out of my husband. As a new player, I loved the quality of life features (like being able to reset back a minute instead of a whole day) because even when the game was challenging, I never reached a level of frustration that made me want to put the game down. Conquering difficult moments felt rewarding instead of grueling. Based on the in-game prompts, I think that was the intention. Because it's my first Pikmin game, I didn't even realize auto lock was a new feature. I found it intuitive and unobtrusive. Oatchi is a highlight of the game for me, too. He's adorable and I liked using him as a super pikmin and as a second captain. I also liked that I could control and him fight enemies directly in the late game if I wanted to. The AI for him and the pikmin is some of the best AI I've seen in a video game in a long time. As far as the eight pikmin types go, they weren't used equally, but I felt the developers did a good job of making them all useful, and I'm glad I got to spend time with them. All in all, my favorite aspect was the variety of gameplay. The overworld is charming, the cave design is great, the Dandori sections offered a decent challenge for me, and the night missions are fun change of pace. I was so excited when Captain Olimar's side story popped up because it was a whole second game within the game. I understand why veteran players might feel a alienated by this game, but as a new fan, it thoroughly won me over.
Pikmin 4 is a 9/10. I much prefer the new style over the other games. And the old timers can cry about it, but that old formula clearly wasn't the crowd favorite. It reminds me of fire emblem fans crying over awakening. I have my gripes with new fire emblem games but overall its an improvement.
700 views? On THIS masterpiece!? More people need to watch this video!
Been replaying through the game and I can definitely say for certain there are way too many small things that add up. Like the automatic lock on and character dialog. Why aren't there options to disable them? It doesn't make sense. Especially when there are some places in the game with tons of enemies you need to kill in a small spot. The auto lock on is especially infuriating when it locks onto an enemy when you are just trying to carry something back, or when it locks onto a small enemy that is moving.
It also just sucks how there isnt a 2 player coop mode for the story. Especially since what would normally be challenge mode is in the story mode itself.
The auto-lock on wouldn't be so bad if only it could be turned on and off for the player's preference.
Yeah, co-op is TERRIBLE, it wasn't fun in Super Mario Galaxy, neither in Super Mario Odyssey, and it is not fun here to be a mere pointer.
Pikmin 3 Deluxe already had a great co-op mode. All Pikmin 4 had to do was make Oatchi playable for the second player, that's it.
Even though Olimar's shipwreck tale disproves this (though it's also not really accurate since Olimar LEAVES notes on the other pikmin types), my personal headcannon is that Pikmin 4's Olimar was forced to survive an absolutely cracked Pikmin 1, with all 7 pikmin types and all the new features, and just couldn't do it. Some of his ship parts fell in caves, some of them guarded by worse creatures than he ever had to face in Pikmin 1 (we're going to assume the nerfed hp and instakills aren't accurate), it was just an all around disaster. And so he failed to meet the deadline and got the bad ending.
This is pikmin 2 squared as everyone jokes about, only the squared went to the difficulty.
It deeply saddens me to say this but, I didn't really like PIKMIN 4 as a PIKMIN game. PIKMIN 4 changed far to much, was far to easy, and far to many tutorials/captions talking in gameplay for me to like this game as a PIKMIN game. As a standalone game this game is great but as a PIKMIN game it is the WORST mainline PIKMIN game (not including Hey! PIKMIN) but the six main things that make me don’t like this game is 1. Oatchi 2. The new camera 3. The difficulty 4. The auto lock on 5. Only 3 PIKMIN types out at a time 6. The complete story reboot. These six things ruin PIKMIN 4 for me. The only one I feel like I have to explain is the new camera that’s closer to the PIKMIN. The new camera makes it feel like a different game not PIKMIN and is also the reason the auto lock on, because it’s incredibly difficult to throw PIKMIN with the camera so close. Another reason for the camera situation is the reason the camera was like that was to remind you how small Olimar and the PIKMIN are, to help you throw PIKMIN and to let you see more of your surroundings. The new camera gets rid of all of that and makes it feel like any other game so new comers don’t struggle. Now you can move the camera to be more like traditional PIKMIN but the levels weren’t designed around that so it ends up being more of an inconvenience than anything. I waited years for a PIKMIN game that, too me, doesn’t even feel like PIKMIN which deeply saddens me. I hope they get there act together next game and makes a actual PIKMIN game not just some other game called PIKMIN. But with all of that said I'm still glad that everyone one else is enjoying this game, and it makes me thrilled to see how many new PIKMIN fans have come from PIKMIN 1/2 HD and PIKMIN 4. PIKMIN means so much to me and many others and I'll stick with this franchise until I die but this game will always be one of my least favorite PIKMIN games.
I could see why oatchi is making the game too easy, especially in fights like the long-legs since they can’t get stepped on when they’re all on this speedy dog, but I don’t feel like it ruins the game. And the game is a bit too easy but I think it’s a GREAT improvement from pikmin 3’s easy asf difficulty. I lost a few dozen pikmin, which isn’t something I can usually say after a pikmin 3 run. I find the game to be almost perfect if you play without using the lightning strikes and bomb rocks (except for walls), because those are just bomb rocks from 1 and bitter spray from 2 all over again which are way too powerful. I know saying “play without the win button makes it harder” is stupid but it makes it more challenging for me. And I didn’t personally find the 3 pikmin limit to be as annoying as I thought it would be, it’s actually kinda nice to have some incentive to not bring ice pikmin everywhere, cause they’re not helping the games difficulty… I think with a downloadable hard difficulty and maybe a game mode that actually uses winged pikmin would make the game nearly perfect. Justice for winged pikmin 👊
Edit: oh and add a setting to disable auto-lock
@@cammac6243 The thing with oatchi is that I find my self barely using the PIKMIN because I have oatchi which is better than the PIKMIN in almost every way. He can carry things that way up to 100, when he carries stuff he holds it in his mouth, you can ride him and keep all of your PIKMIN safe, you can kill LOADS of enemy's with just oatchi, he can swim and attack stuff under water, when he swims he can keep any and all PIKMIN on his back, he can just sniff out stuff and tell you where it is getting rid of any exploration, he can dash infinitely which means you will never want to walk as your character again, he can jump and your player can't which incentivizes you to ride oatchi even MORE, his charge into enemy's thing does a huge amount of damage so you will never want to fight any thing with out oatchi ever again, there are just a few things you MUST do with or as oatchi, and I'm just scratching the tip of the iceberg with the hole oatchi thing. The three PIKMIN cap is just annoying I get it the tree PIKMIN cap creates challenge so you can't just have all PIKMIN to do everything but I just find it annoying because if I don't have the PIKMIN I have to run back to the onion grab the PIKMIN I need run back, it's just such a huge time waster. And for the bomb rocks, lightning, and ultra spicy spray I'm fine with it. It's all completely optional and I rarely used them ever. And one of the biggest problems with the game that I can't believe I forgot to talk about, Winged PIKMIN. They COMPLETELY RUINED Winged PIKMIN. Winged PIKMIN are now just a worse yellow PIKMIN that contribute NOTHING to the game what so ever. This is OUTRAGEOUS and I WILL NOT stand for it.
@@PikminAndStuff ok that was way too much to reply too haha but winged pikmin are not worse than yellow pikmin, they just never get used. They’re the last pikmin type and there’s very few caves that use them. They have better flight paths since they fly things over pits and water. Infinite dash is a post-game ability, so it’s not busted, just speeds up the 100% completion. Oatchi is very strong and I think they went a little overboard with his uses but i don’t think it ruins the game, just makes it easy. A game being “easy” isn’t ruined imo.
couldnt have put it better myself
26:00 Yes! I am so glad somebody talked about how the 3 pikmin type limit limits the game design and potental.
One of the core aspects of Pikmin's identity is the hostility and mystery of the planet. The air itself is trying to kill you, and all you can do is survive and escape. No matter how many powerful enemies you defeat, it feels like you're only scratching the surface of what the planet could throw at you.
Pikmin 4 commits the cardinal sin of allowing you to tame the planet. Enemies don't respawn, and virtually every hazard can be disabled, allowing you to make every location feel completely safe. The ability to fight enemies at night removes all of the significance of the sundown mechanic, since you have all the tools you need to fend off nighttime predators now. The number of explorers that know about the planet and journey here in search of fortune make it feel more like an off-kilter tourist trap, and having your team constantly watching over your shoulder and commenting on your experiences removes that sense of solitude needed to make the planet feel threatening. Then you factor in the mechanical ways they toned down the dangers with Wollywogs having a smaller kill cap, nerfing the Waterwraith AI, all the difficulty drops carried over from Pikmin 3, and the entire planet feels more like the intended result of Jurassic Park.
I've often said that Breath of the Wild is my favorite Pikmin game on Switch, because that game manages to capture the feeling of a world that wants to kill you better than the mainline Pikmin series has in almost 20 years. I credit Pikmin 4 for adding many quality of life features that mechanically improve upon older titles, but aspects like Pikmin suggestions and cave previews go way too far in removing the sense of mystery and motivation to explore that the older titles do so well. The reality is that quality of life features are antithetical to an environment where you're fighting for your life against all odds, and they have to be carefully integrated in ways that don't clash with immersion, such as Pikmin AI improvements or the new base setup mechanic.
After playing the four main titles, I'm left with a ranking of 2, 1, 4, 3.
Very well written comment. Lots said here is true.
Regarding electricity- it does kill the pikmin now-
it just takes a few seconds, akin to them burning or drowning, but instead of going crazy, they are just lying there on the ground
Compared to 3, the flying pikmin were MASSIVELY nerfed. In 3, it feels like they're very organic, but in 4, they feel a lot more mechanical. But if they were going to be that much of a problem, just make them the last pikmin type you get.
Well for most people it probably is the last type
hot take: yellows are super useful in pikmin 1, like half the treasures are locked behind bomb rocks or their throw height, and tell me this. would you rather fight a yellow wollywog or would you just throw 2 bombs and send it to the mamuta in the sky
I feel like "Pikmin 4 isn't perfect" is a better title
What was the previous title
@@somerandominternetdude1 this one, but I made this comment when the video changed name to something among the lines of "is Pikmin 4 overrated?"
In my opinion it's not overrated because I see everyone ever extremely vocal about it's hundreds of flaws
Pikmin 4 is probably my goty in this really stacked year. Even if the game is really easy, and you can spam the spicy spray to beat the bosses really easily, it's still so much fun.
I never was the biggest Pikmin fan, but this game reignited my love for this franchise.
Shepherd, along with the rest of the Rescue Corp, are following the dog-theme of the game and are loosley named around dogs.
>Collin
>Bernard
>Russ
etc.
Ice Pikmin being used in all but one area feels kind of overbearing. The hard part is figuring out which area to remove them from. The one their onion is in would be the first to can except that's where their onion is and it's a neat spot.
Having upgrading to 5 types on the field would feel like the best course of action. That way utility pikmin actually get to be useful. You can bring those wings or purples or whites and have them be useful in the situations you want to use them.
I did a reduced Oatchi playthrough for my second one and the game felt much better just not having all of those upgrades. The last Sage Leaf trial was actually really tough with Oatchi only able to carry 10 Pikmin worth, and it felt good to get it at the end. Part of the problem is that they force Oatchi on you a lot. And I get it, they want you to use the mechanic. But it's like forcing you to use the awful affection mechanic in pokemon games, rather than letting you grind your pokemon to some stupid level to make the game easy. No, I don't want to have free focus band, that's cheating. Because you have to ride him to access parts of the map, you're on him more than you should. And the charge is half the problem. I kind of wish Oatchi had a carry limit, to like 20 pikmin or something. The stronger pikmin types will still do a good chunk and you still have the charge, but it would make things a lot less brainless.
I also find it funny how people say Pikmin 2 is the "not pikmin" of the set because of the massive change when it turns the time management into resource management. Does the time limit in Pikmin 1 even matter? Maybe for people who aren't good at games, but most people can probably get all of the parts in the time frame. The real challenge is figuring out your route to beat your best time. Which Pikmin 2 still has in its own unique ways. Caves are part of your route and you need to think about them carefully. Going into Snagret Hole to raise blues to not waste time in the overworld doing it is a great example of this. Caves also send pikmin back to the onions if you want to save time from rounding them up. It's not the exact same but you are still going for a best time because it displays your best times on the leaderboard.
I think Pikmin 4 could use more product treasures. The fake products of Switch Pikmin 2 are perfectly fine for this. You don't find items you expect to be sold most of the time (ignoring Nintendo treasures). I want more batteries, containers, and other stuff where it feels like a real product even though it's a fake one.
It c ould have also had more long caves. Not 15 floor caves, just a couple of 7-8 floors.
Anyway, I like 4 a lot, though 2 is still my favorite.
Pikmin 4 is a top tier game, but calling Tunic a "generic cheap RPG" hurts my soul
Bulbmin ARE in Pikmin 4
They are the glow pikmin...
Okay let me explain...
Bulbmin are parasite creatures, is not really a Pikmin that looks like a Bulboar, is a parasite controlling the body of a Bulboar, it's pretty common in nature actually.
And you can tell that before those parasites enter a bulboar they are green, and can't leave caves... Just like glow Pikmin, so that's my theory
8:11 ohhhh that made mii mad 😡😡 Wii might have some beef to settle
dandori issue
13:38 Pirples being slow is an intentional design choice to make combat with them more punishing... when you fight an enemy with a purple you have to commit to fighting it or else your purples are at risk of dying or being unable to escape due to their low speed. purples are still broken tho lol. Pikmin 4 making it more convenient is a negative for me because it removes a lot of what makes some types so special and unique in comparison to each other (whites were the only pikmin that could keep up with you after obtaining the speed upgrade in 2, flowered pikmin being much faster giving them more reward compared to being leafed)
When I first saw poison in Pikmin 4 I thought it was ice because it was so bright and almost looked blue.
I dunno why they changed it.
Pikmin 1 and especially 3 are my favorite of the franchise. 4 was good, but not exactly my thing. I enjoyed Olimar's shipwrecked tale more than the base game. I just dont jell with 2 and 4's type of gameplay. As the developers stated, 1 and 3 have time management gameplay and 2 and 4 have type management gameplay.
Wait, oilmar talks about sperm?
I have timed it before and NO! Oatchi is not faster than the player character! He looks like he is and should! But he's not!
EDIT: No Pikmin 4 is not a reboot necisarily! One of the lead developers said in an interview that where the game goes in the timeline is up to each individual player!
4:06 Man you just really threw all those games under the bus didn't you? Hell, some of them are genuinely fantastic.
Personally I think regarding the challenge, the game provides enough stuff if you know where to look to be satisfying. Some of the most fun i've had in a pikmin game was with some of the dandori challenges and battles, and I like how many possibilities the items give you to experiment - such as using the ice blast and spicy spray to get blues slightly early. Also i opted not to get the charge horn as i find mashing to throw pikmin more visceral lol.
5:23 this looks like a post from r/pikmin
I think they changed the poison color so us colorblind people could tell the purple and blue dweevils apart.
That’s fair!
omg this video is so good now i have to watch every single video you made now
Thank you :)
I think that the rewind feature is just a skill issue
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Michigan slander D:
8:00 Jeffs future children watching this video
I'm enjoying the game but I have to be honest it took a good 5 hours of playtime before I started really getting into it. The game starts so so slow, lots of dialogue and tutorial stuff. I find the controls a bit confusing and overwhelming. I don't like how the controls appear on screen whenever you're idle for a little bit. And yeah I havent found much of a challenge yet, about 10 hours in. It's still fun though but I'm eager for the difficulty to spike
New video let's goooooo
pikmin 4 is a good game but it destroyed so many of the great things about pikmin
I am a brand new pikmin fan. I played all the games for the first time in preparation for 4 and I have to say, I’m kind of disappointed. Don’t get me wrong, The game is good. Really good in fact. But I feel like it messes up on a lot of the little things and all of those little things start to pile up over time. One of the most annoying things about this game is that the characters never stop talking. In the beginning of the game the characters never stop talking, but after you get to the second area it basically stops and you can always skip the dialogue which is nice. The problem is that the characters will still talk to you during gameplay and their dialog boxes appear right in the middle of the screen. It’s a very annoying and even during the freaking Final boss it still happens! I looked in the Settings menu to see if there was any way to turn off their commentary and surprise surprise there’s not. I was literally yelling at my TV for the characters to just shut the hell up💀. I feel like pikmin 4 lacks the charm every other game in the series has. every other game in the series he feels like you’re a little person exploring a post apocalypse earth, in pikmin 4 it feels like you’re exploring somebody’s house while they’re on vacation. The day/night system should not be in this game as it only harms it. Since there is no day limit, the system does not need to be here in the slightest so all it does is drag you away from having fun and make you sit through a bunch of dialogue boxes and loading screens until you can finally get back to what you were doing. This was a problem in pikmin 2 as well and it’s just as bad here. I also hate how they took the side mode of this game and just shoved into the main story. I don’t like how it breaks up the normal gameplay. And Don’t even get me started on how unnecessarily confusing this games placement in the timeline is. I honestly could go on for even longer since I have many other problems with the game, but I think you get the point. I hear a lot of people called this the perfect Pikmin game and I completely disagree with that. I do like pikmin 4 but it just has too much holding it back for me and I can honestly never see myself replaying it in the future (also I made a video about pikmin 4 a couple months ago except it’s a lot shorter and it has almost the exact same title as yours and I just thought that was really funny)
I don't see how the Day and Night system shouldn't exist if there is no Day Limit. Like the points it to incentivize you to do all your activities in a set amount of time. The No Day Limit isn't imo a problem b/c it's not trying to focus on time pressure but on pikmin limits instead.
Pikmin 4s controlls feel completley difrent
I would rank them 2 4 1 3 or 2 1 4 3 personally. 4 was a hell of a lot of fun, not perfect, but an amazing modern pikmin
2 is garbage what you on about 💀
Why would you call a reduction in difficulty a corporatification of videogames?
the hard videogames you cite are all just as much corperate products. Pikmin was meant to be a system seller for the Gamecube, Super Mario 1 was a cultural phenomenon. And players didn't just grin and bear the difficulty and perservere in the old days, they got frustrated and quit forever or used game sharks or maybe even taught themselves modding. Corperations had to be dragged kicking and screaming to implement accessible difficulties, with them being pioneered in the indie sphere first. If anything, the extra dev time needed to make games as friendly as possible is less corporate than keeping the difficulty high. It must be a QA nightmare to make sure the difficulty is appropriate for a target audience of children.
why did bro yap about Pikmin 4 for an hour and 22 minutes 💀
Why are reviews called video essays nowadays ?
my all time favorite game series are pikmin and super mario brothers and nintendo broke my heart with both this year
i took for granted how good pikmin 3 was until recently
it makes me cry knowing nintendo will never make a game that good again, theres nothing stopping them they just choose not to, they could have made a better game years ago
I think your exagerating (and also don't know what your refering to when you talking about Mario. Is it Wonder? if so then I disagree)
But what about wonder it’s like the best mario game is long time especially after all the new super mario games
Geez... Trying to copy every other gaming channel out there huh? Ie Scott the Woz
I’m surprised he did not talk about the horrible multiplayer
My bad! I completely forgot it in the script. I don’t play many games co-op so it’s something that slips my mind often. But that being said I think everyone has summarized why it’s so bad on the internet already.
Gun mode
Swarm was not removed
You're able to swarm but only when you're almost at the end of the game, which makes it pretty redundant
Think the last thing you need to swarm is literally found in the last cave in the game, as well as requiring a lot of other randomly scattered collectibles, so it may as well not exist
if you are judging it as a game its a very good game
but if you are judging it as a pikmin game it is a disgrace
Hi
I hate pikmin 4 and think it ruined the franchise (I havent seen the video yet, but im still commenting that the game is really bad) 3 and 1 are amazing though
bruh
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people typing bruh but this guy is right
@@MusicJunkie37 how could it ruin the franchise when it's literally the most popular one yet
@@MusicJunkie37 thx
Pikmin 4 is a good game but it is far from perfect. I keep hearing a lot of people say it’s the perfect Pikmin game but I completely disagree. I feel like this is just one of those games were almost everybody is in a honeymoon phase with it with recency bias
if you are judging it as a game its a very good game
but if you are judging it as a pikmin game it is a disgrace
@@realteamwall I wouldn’t be as harsh to say it’s a disgrace, but yeah I definitely see what you’re saying
@@realteamwallIt’s like Hey! Pikmin if it were traditional Pikmin.
I personally don't like the older style of pikmin. Pikmin 4 is so relaxing and the environments and visuals are so good. It's basically the old vs. New zelda games. I prefer the older zelda formula but others don't. So for me pikmin 4 is perfect. It's not a honeymoon phase. I knew after playing pikmin 3 that it wasn't my favorite.
Pikmin 3 is best for beginners and pikmin 4 is for them if they like the franchise and once they get better they can try out the older ones
That’s what I’m doing rn. I just started Pikmin 2. I enjoyed it so far but not as much as Pikmin 4. I just don’t like the caves as much.
@@Bloeb731i like twos caves more. I am a veteran of pikmin games though so mabye its just years of experience. Good luck though great games
Real veterans love Pikmin 2 caves
No, you have to start with pikmin 2 kaizo.
you've really crossed the line this time Jeff Compass. Great video as always
Thank you!!!!
i really love the idea of "being a patron of the art of gaming." i feel that deeply. i haven't played pikmin 4 yet, but it's clear you have a lot of love for the series overall. i forgive you for not enjoying pikmin 3, but it won't happen again. love your stuff, jeff!
This is such a nice comment- thank you!!!
I don't think a game being easy or having an easy mode is a bad thing, plus the previous pikmin games werent all that dificult, i would consider them to be easy. And if easy games are bad then Kirby is the worst pice of garbage of all time
I do think it's interesting how the opinions on Pikmin tend to split. A lot of people looking for a more hardcore experience gravitate towards the second game as their favorite, while a lot of newer fans and casual gamers really like the third game. I do think Pikmin 4 does a very good job balancing these expectations.
It does remove a lot of the mechanical skill necessary to play the first 2 games effectively, but it does really emphasize the thing Pikmin was essentially build on. Proper Dandori. The theme of proper time management is as always ever present in the game, but it feels like for the first time since Pikmin 1 the series puts a real spotlight on it. Dandori Battles and Challenges are an essential part of the game and Olimar Mode slashing your time limit from the first game in half, even if very achievable for a veteran, might prove a real challenge for a newcomer. The concept of Dandori is always mentioned to the point where the explanaitian of the term from the loading screen is one of the things I remember most. Going for platinum medals in this game is something I find very enjoyable and would probably be a lot harder without the auto lock-on and a lot of what makes the game easy in a casual setting (most of all how overpowered Oatchi is) feels like a necessary resource when the game is at it's most difficult. It might just be recency bias, but at this point I would also feel comfortable calling Pikmin 4 the best in the series.
Good job on the video, was surprised how low your views are, because this video does deserve a lot more. Hope you still catch a bit of the Pikmin 4 hype on the algorhythm.
Thank you for this well written comment!
you're like if scott the woz was pikmin
I take issue with the comment that purple pikmin are rare in pikmin 4
on the contrary, now that you can pick the specific sublevel of a cave upon re-enter, coupled with the fact that purple candypop buds don't stop spawning once you reach a certain threshold (as was the case with easy to access purple candypop buds in 2, i.e. in the first few, shorter caves that you can find them in), getting an army of 100 purps a complete non-issue
also I hate russ so you can block me I guess
I distinctly remember getting about half way through the game and just being so disappointed in the fact that the Pikmin I like died on the GameCube. This game plays almost nothing like any of the prior games and I can’t help but feel betrayed at the fact we waited 10 years for this semi Pikmin experience. Half of the content is Pikmin 2 remastered but made way easier for little 5 year olds. I know this is catered to five year olds cause I gave my copy to my five year old nephew and he loves it, so I’m glad it’s appealing to new people but Pikmin 1 2 and 3s formula were also appealing to 5 yos seeing as most fans of the first games played them when they were in that age range. Fans for life thrown to the wayside to make the system more approachable to newcomers. It’s a beautiful game and I love the graphics but I loved Pikmin 3s graphics and that still plays like a Pikmin game
Don’t like the rewind time feature?
Just don’t use it
I've only played the demo but when playing it it never felt like a Pikmin game to me so probably won't be picking it up, if they get rid of the autolock being mandatory then I might give it a shot though.
If you think about it, Glow Pikmin are basically Bulbmin.
Also it's implied that Yorke and Alph are brothers.
Still annoyed that Puffmin got entirely forgotten too, especially considering the Pikmin 1 remake in 4, and the "miniboss" that causes that transformation, but they changed it's attack!
Like WTH Nintendo, don't even bother bringing something back if you're just going to drop the ball like that!
But it's very close.
Awesome video thank you
45:09 "Cosmic Daisy" 😂😂😂
First
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Most reviews I've seen of Pikmin 4 talk about how easy it is, but this was my first real playthrough of a Pikmin game. I found a lot of the boss fights pretty challenging since the enemies were new to me, and I didn't know how to beat them at first. I actually lost hordes of pikmin to normal enemies a few times, too. And failed the night mission SPECTACULARLY on my first try. When the water wraith spawned, I yelled, "What the heck is that thing?!" and scared the crap out of my husband.
As a new player, I loved the quality of life features (like being able to reset back a minute instead of a whole day) because even when the game was challenging, I never reached a level of frustration that made me want to put the game down. Conquering difficult moments felt rewarding instead of grueling. Based on the in-game prompts, I think that was the intention.
Because it's my first Pikmin game, I didn't even realize auto lock was a new feature. I found it intuitive and unobtrusive. Oatchi is a highlight of the game for me, too. He's adorable and I liked using him as a super pikmin and as a second captain. I also liked that I could control and him fight enemies directly in the late game if I wanted to. The AI for him and the pikmin is some of the best AI I've seen in a video game in a long time.
As far as the eight pikmin types go, they weren't used equally, but I felt the developers did a good job of making them all useful, and I'm glad I got to spend time with them.
All in all, my favorite aspect was the variety of gameplay. The overworld is charming, the cave design is great, the Dandori sections offered a decent challenge for me, and the night missions are fun change of pace. I was so excited when Captain Olimar's side story popped up because it was a whole second game within the game.
I understand why veteran players might feel a alienated by this game, but as a new fan, it thoroughly won me over.
Something i wanna say. I am British and no one uses the word "wog" ever.
Pikmin 4 is a 9/10. I much prefer the new style over the other games. And the old timers can cry about it, but that old formula clearly wasn't the crowd favorite. It reminds me of fire emblem fans crying over awakening. I have my gripes with new fire emblem games but overall its an improvement.