Line Driver, Bass Processor, Equalizer, Crossover, & DSP for Amplifier... Choose Right!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- There are many devices that allow you to control the signal out of a source unit going into your amplifiers for a car audio system. Line Drivers, Bass Processors, Equalizers, Crossovers, and Digital Signal Processors, but what do you need for your system? In this video I explain each to better help you choose!
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The ability to take the D series amplifier and wire everything into one box, no rca's (if using stock deck), no distribution blocks, no mazes, no need for a big & complicated amp rack, just one neat and tidy install with all of the adjustability (other than Epicentre of course) is just really, really appealing for that clean look. Not to mention, easy to troubleshoot if it's only one piece of equipment.
Great breakdown. This was worth every cent. Wait I didn't pay for it. I feel like I should have. Keep up the great work.
Absolute facts
Excellent video! After watching, I think my planned system is missing a piece.
I'm hooked on your channel, been binge watching 2 weeks straight. Keep up the informative work you provide.
Same same..although my audio guy has F it all up to sell me shitty products replacing Mark Levinson.
It's great that you make these videos and the build you did for your dad's car was nice and simple. Could you one day make a budget build that provides amazing sound using some easy cost-effective equipment? As some of the components that you tend to showcase are not very affordable to everyone like me. I know you pretty much get what you pay for but there has to be a middle ground / budget-friendly for those of us on a tight budget but still want some amazing sound in our vehicles. is this even possible to achieve? or am I just reaching for the stars...
There was very little content on their products in terms of reviews. I've been waiting on reviews a while now. Their site was the only means of getting info. Great job !
I've always wanted to up my audio knowledge and this helps, thanks!
Speechless! Bravo 🎉 So much more helpful than the other 10 videos I watched!😓
Great job explaining the differences.
I just recently apprecially purchase their product and my favorite part of the whole experience was when I needed assistance I called their support number and the first ring I got a real person who assisted me with real advice not answering machine not a robot not BS hold a person an actual person that knew what they were doing to help me that's why I'm a customer for life
Marks knowledge + video tutorials = mind blown !!! Thanks Jedi Master ..
I just purchased a ‘22 $60k vehicle that sounds worse than my ‘90 stock Mustang! I haven’t needed to upgrade beyond factory for a cool minute! However, now i’m going to need a full blown re-education in car audio and THIS channel will be my professor!
Great video! I really enjoyed the way you explained these things. I always struggle with explaining signal processing/Time alignment, etc. to anyone. From now on I will just show them this video. Shouldn’t be too many questions after that. I learned a few things about Audiocontrol’s “D” series processors and amplifiers, too. I’ve always been a user/believer in the epicenter, and Audiocontrol products in general and don’t see that changing anytime in the near future!
You know what I've always thought I was pretty good with systems...... Then I met your channel ☠ your channel is boss love how you have the ability to break down all the more expensive things I couldn't ever get around to figuring out thanks for the info
Holly crap my heads spinning and hurting now thanks?!
I’ve been using audio control epicenter since 2003 it’s just awesome!!
Your keeping our spirits up with this fun video Mark. Keep it up and stay safe and healthy!😊👍🏻👏👏👏
Just got my LC2i for my system build. Can’t wait to get the rest so I can install it all.
in 1981 my dad bought plastic box KRACO 5" speakers for his work truck with something called a CONCORD tape deck, no amp none of all these expensive things in the video, just speakers to the tape deck,it rocked.
Thank you very much for this breakdown. Very informative in a way that makes complete sense and expains the differeces in these products that i have been searching for.
Thanks Mark!! I was totally unaware they had all these different items. I was having trouble deciding what to get when I thought they only had 4 or 5 different things and now I'm WAY WAY worse off because they make so much rad stuff. So thanks for that, appreciate it. LoL. Jokes aside I did learn a bunch more about what they offer and have a better idea of what to get now so I do appreciate that! Few people have said comments on prices and how high they are but if u think about it they are not that much. Find any other company and build a system that sounds as good with the features and all the sick a$$ tech they have and that looks as good and has such a small foot print for install options and add up what you would need to spend then. Thats if you can find anything that comes close to what they have put out I mean. Not a easy task!
I hate these videos and here is why:
I used to be a car audio nut, always had custom gear in my vehicles, and home. I left a job 5 years ago, and have spent all my time taking care of my disabled mother - very tiny income from doing some graphic design and as a gear nerd (hardware, electronics, items in general) I watch this video and only feel like poo because I can't afford it. I will be looking for work again here soon but the first 6 months of my money will go to my mothers house to restore it.
I love care audio, quality and thump, I just miss it, and am jealous I can't have it LOL.
CarAudioFabrication keep up the great videos. They are very educational and useful to those that need the education. GG ♥
Great video as always.
What I would like, and I think many people more is this: I have a fairly new car of 2019, (not really interesting but it's a Skoda Octavia stationwagon) and it has quite crappy audio, dab+ (which I really like, we have a really good dab+ network in the Netherlands) and Bluetooth connectivity. But cheap speakers and cheap amplifier. And no line outs. I would like to see a video how to use a standard main unit and change main speakers and maybe add a subwoofer. And on a budget since most people can't afford all the equipment you use. (i like the audio control lc2 you mentioned, it's affordable)
Would be great!
Thanks for clearing this up for me. I was thinking about adding an EQ to my system and wasn't sure about it. I am now!
I got confused and just hooked my speakers straight to the battery so they would have enough power! Works great! But really thanks for the videos your the man!
Thank you so much for this. This is informative yet easy enough for a novice to gain from this presentation.
I've always had questions about processing I really appreciate this video.
Gracias Señor....There is not such a great and explanatory video like this one...not even in spanish....I was looking forward a video like this one in spanish and it doesnt exist....thanks amigo....
I’m really enjoying your channel ! Thank you for the Professionalism. As a result of my viewing today, I think I might Abandon my current plan for my Van.
I have (planned) 2-way Components in ‘cockpit’, and 3-way Components in rear main van body, NO sub (for a while), and directed off of a 4ch Pioneer HU output.
If I relied upon included Passive crossovers from speaker manufacturer, I COULD get by with a moderate quality 4ch Class D amp.
** BTW, my listening preference is exclusively Fidelity/SQ orientation.
As a result of your relevant videos, I’m torn between powering Each piece of the components with an amplified channel (=10ch.), which might be cost-prohibitive (for decent gear).
Alternatively, 4ch of amplification to the ‘four corners’, with (tuning) from a DSP (8 or 10ch ?).
Or …. ?? (ANY input would be AWESOME).
I love the separation that can be achieved through components. Oh, and I do Not want to have to alter my vehicle electronics (i.e. Alternator).
I would be THRILLED to get a Reply 😬
Thanks Mark that clears things up somewhat for me. Btw great show me and my son have learned a lot. Your work quality along with what 5 star is doing is second too none.
Audiocontrol used to make a model called the ESP-3
it's a center channel/spatial enhancement processor that was very cool
It's really cool that Audiocontrol is stil alive!
I still have a pair of good old EQT's and one 24XS at home.
Of course i also have an old Analyzer and it's still working like a charm althought i don't use it anymore.
Maybe i'll build a good old school system some day.
btw. I really like your videos! I watch them all :)
Yeah, I didn't realize they were that old. I remember every other old school brand from the 80s and 90s, but don't remember AC! What kinda rock was I livin under? Lol...
This is very informative and helps answer a lot of my questions about my build.
I think it's safe to say AudioControl spends A LOT of money on R&D (maybe too much!)
Maybe you can make a recommendation for my planned setup. Pioneer FH-S700BT receiver, Pioneer GM-DX874 4 channel amplifier, and a Kicker 46CXA1200.1T mono amplifier. The 4 channel amplifier will power 4 Pioneer 6.5" 4 way coaxials, and the mono amplifier will power 2 12" subwoofers. A line driver makes sense due to the low output voltage from the receiver, but anything else that's got that ability plus more would be great.
I have an lc2i with factory radio going out to 1 amp for bass & then 2 amps to 2 different boxes with mid ranges and tweeters on them .
Great video! You are a born teacher Mark. Great rundown of AudioContol gear!
Awesome video explaining, took me a lot of research and reading to work out that instead of having a panel full of units all i needed was a good dsp to achieve most of whats needed for quality sounding system. Settled on a Helix P Six mk2 dsp-amp and a Helix M One X Mono Amp for the subs, still installing it all but i got high hopes for it all running Hybrid Audio Technologies speakers.
At one point in my life, regarding school, I really thought I had above average intellegence but after watching his videos, I feel below average & clueless. I wish I had a better brain to grasp acoustics like the rest of the viewers.
I love the audiocontrol products , in my car I have a overdrive an epicenter and the 2xs crossover, and I have the matrix for my next build
I have a epicenter and want to get the matrix did u put the matrix before the epicenter or after
Very informative, I like it. I do prefer just going with an eq, a crossover and multiple amps tho.
Me too man.
I just accidentally swapped to android headunit as i can't use any universal one. Now i wat to improve source sound quality. What is your take on this?
Really love Audio Control's Epicenter 👍
I'm trying to find a way to tune the epicenter with the lc7i
Thank you so much, Mark. Your videos have taught me all I know about car audio. It appears The Epicenter functionality is not built in to the DSP. Is it as simple as connecting the RCA subwoofer outputs from the DSP into The Epicenter and The Epicenter outputs into the sub amp?
Great video bro…. I’m well informed ( as usual)…. Keep it up… the Jedi of car audio installation 😁
Your videos are always well explained, now that I finally bought a laptop I can go ahead and get a dsp
If you had a an aftermarket headunit such as a kenwood or whatever with 13 band eq or more, could you just tune the response with an RTA and the built in eq?
So if wanted to restore bass, get a stronger audio signal, and control the equalizers, then I would need 3 different devices?
Great explanations, lessons, videos...thanks & keep up the
great work.
I want something old school and have knobs to play with
Tom Petty? Sound City?
Please do an in depth video on the DQ-61
Is there such thing as a crossover device that has a hard cutoff rather than a gradual one? For example, cutting off all frequencies above the set value rather than a gradual decrease. Or would an equalizer be the closest thing to achieving this?
My Epicenter is white, if that gives you any idea as to how OLD that bad boy is... Still ticking (I mean booming) though :)
I hate a white EQX!
@@CarAudioFabrication 😂 It definitely is an eyesore, but it's out of sight.
anthonyr i think he might have meant to say “I have a white EQX” lmao
@@maxstormann9512 Lol touche... kinda works both ways 🤷♂️😂
Had mine since 2005 white
Thanks man. For simplicity what do you need as a complete unit? Man this is so much...
Please do a video showing how to wire Crossovers, Preamps and amplifier because i need help wiring up my system with a preamp and crossover
So essentially I can either use LC2i and epicenter or simply go for epicenter plus and get the same quality of sound? (I am using the factory head unit).
Thanks for the clear up. But why dont they sell an EQ that is in dash on the fly? My Playlist has alot of different genre and having to adjust the sound constently.
Great video mark, always learning something new every time 👍👍👍👍👍
Please do a cost video, what a regular upgrade to wake your neighbours up type of system would cost
Im still using phoenix gold pld1 and basscube
Best video to explain this ever!! So awesome. Thanks!!
What is another good substitute for the Overdrive plus, its discontinued 🤧
Can you do a video on your factory radio set up?
Really appreciate your video so much detail
OVERDRIVE (AudioControl) question.. What if an aftermarket head unit only outs out 1 volt or less on the RCA outputs? Should I use the normal speaker output wires and run them through an LC6/7/8i ?
Man I'm glad you're doing this.
Tons of help amigo thank you!!! learning all this is new to me..always waching your vids..awesome 👌 explaining everything very helpful thank you again God Bless..😃😀👋
I have the DDX9905s and the Alpine PDX F6 plus M12 mono.
Now the Kenwood can get to full volume with no distortion but has 5v pre-outs where the 4 channel F6 amp accepts a maximum input of 4v.
Now would there be any issues here or should I raise the volume on the head unit using the test tones until I see a max of 4v from the RCA's?
Thanks in advance!
Don't overthink it. Plug it in and set your gains so it's loud enough for your normal listening levels without clipping if you decide to crank it up here and there. Setting gains by voltage alone are likely to yield poor results. Just because your amp accepts "4v max" inputs, doesn't mean it can't go higher or that you're actually sending more than 4v into it at all times. Just turn down the gain on your amp if it's too much. I know they say the amp gain is not a volume knob, but it actually is, in the same manner as the volume knob on your head unit controls the gain of its internal amplifier.
@@vitaminb4869 Never had an issue before but being told different things.
I can understand if you have 8v pre out max or higher but something with 5v max shouldn't have issues as you stated especially since music is dynamic and it ain't no sine wave being used.
Don't have a distortion detector or handheld oscilloscope but know the head unit is clean at max volume from online vids but would be using ohms law to get the desired wattage or AC voltage output from the amps.
From there I'll throw in some decent quality music and see how it all sounds.
Thanks for the reply!
@@tee_tow If you never had an issue before and all was and is working well, then I wouldn't touch a thing just because someone somewhere on the internet said that it's all wrong.
You don't need a distortion detector. You can easily hear distortion and clipping. I tried setting my gains with an oscilloscope and a sine wave, but didn't like the results and just set it by ear.
@@vitaminb4869 Yeah I here yah.
Haven't installed in a couple of years and never had issues then especially with "decent" quality equipment.
Not my car but don't really see many issues between these components, just wanna be on the safe side.
That's just it i've asked a couple of Pros from workshops and one said to match the head unit voltage and the other said not to worry about it as the difference is marginal 🤷♂️
But I will start with correct AC voltage coming out of the amps to suit the wattage that I want to match the speakers using a dmm then after listening sessions will adjust from there as usual.
Thanks again!
Do you have a video explaining what technical specs to look for when picking an amps or speakers? Signal to noise ratio, Sensitivity, THD and what not. Thanks.
Hey Mark, As always this is an excellent video. I have a LCQ-1, it works well but there is pink noise comming from it and I can't solve it. I tried with the jumpers and checking the ground but nothing changed. Any Idea?
I use helix dsp 3 mosconi aerospace nak dads zapco hdv asp q01 be with dap but audio controls are great for ease of use beginner's and good guys in Seattle they don't make crap
Great video. Lots of information here and well explained. Keep up the great content man. Very helpful for many of us.
I use an epicentre indash and an EQl in my system and cannot fault them. Hit 156.7db with 4 12inch Kenwood subs running 8000w 😎
All of that stuff looks so professional and cool, great video
So I need a line driver and a epicenter. Thanks!
Sure miss my three. 1...
Do they still make those in dash products...???
AC R&D Team: 2 Things: I wish the LC7i's "Accu Bass" freq range starts lower than 20 Hz, like 10 or 15 Hz. Only then a lot of "Bassheads" would be inclined to take advantage of AccuBass now that more and more newer vehicles come with a high-end touchscreen factory radio such as on my Ford Edge. I also would like for the AccuBass to be optional for the other channels because now that I've upgraded my door speakers (mid-bass), I'd like to make up for the bass roll-off in them as well. I'm talking to you AudioControl R&D team! =]
On the Cherokee project, how did you deal with the center dash speaker? Does it have one? I'm putting together a similar system with an 810, 6.1200 & 4.800
So which one good for helping with speakers
Thanks for the information.
have to hand it to AudioControl on all the things.🥇🎊🎉
and thanks for the layout of what each does.
One question: My (Android/china) stereo broke but still worked and I think it was pushing too much power through the rear right channel, which caused massive distortion and pops through the Harmon Kardon (bmw) amp, and blew the speaker...
So, (not knowing this at the time), got an aftermarket amp that I hooked up and all was fine for a week then the rear channel blew out on the amp.
So, question is, will the Line Output Converter resolve a voltage spikes or distortion that possibly was caused by the android stereo?
Or, will it take the damage (or be able to handle the damage) or will it allow bad signals to pass through to the amp through the RCA's?
So dumb question, if running a DSP or signal restorer running to an amp like a Rockford Fosgate punch series 1000bd monoblock would that better audio quality pass through the RCAs and give that amplifier better quality or would it not recognize that better signal and just see a regular 2v/4v RCA signal from an aftermarket head unit. Or would you have to have amplifier that can receive and understand that quality of a signal. I just don’t want to invest and my amplifier not be able to use that quality of a signal and it make no difference. Hopefully my question makes since, I love your videos!
im so overwhelmed with the car audio world. when he was talking about if you have a premium audio system with factory amp you might want to go with the lc7 line output converter i didnt get why that is exactly.
Because their are bandwidth limited channels like tweeters and mids that need to be summed back to full range so you can pick your own crossover points and control via your amps or EQ.
Another great video with clear and concise delivery! Your videos set the standard for car audio and there's no need to go anywhere else for car audio questions! Thanks again Mark.
What about having an aftermarket head unit and aftermarket amp? Do I still need at line out converter? Or am I good with a DSP, equalized and active crossover?
Hi mark, its ivan, great video!!!! And i have a question for you, which is the best rca wire kristal(model you using in this video) or jl audio? and why, which is your opinion. thank you so much.
Shca premium rca, pricey but phenominal cables, crystal clear. Bought sum from china, spent like 200 on sum for all my amps, 8 with 4 four ch amps and 4 monoblocks so i needed alot of rca, 8 three fters and 8 1 and a half fters. The rca is silver and the copper is ofc. Silver is what u want if u can afford it. Evergreen is descent too. If u can, make ur own, so much cheaper .
I don't like the dsp and amp all in one. When the amp blows you loose way too much money. If you had a separate dsp, you would only loose your amp. Lost $1000 when my Audison Prima 8.9 bit, 8 channel amp/dsp, decided to go into fault protection mode and never turn back on.
AudioControl has a pretty rock solid warranty. Something to consider
@@CarAudioFabrication My Audison had a 3 year warranty, and the AudioControl only has a 1 year warranty, unless installed by an authorized dealer. No one here is going to have someone else install their amps, that's why they are here.
@@CarAudioFabrication I dont understand why they warranty from a dealer for 5 years, but only 1 year in you install yourself. My dad had an authorised audison dealer install his amp, and it blew 2 times after about 2 days each time. I had to rewire it myself for him, so it didnt blow the 3rd amp. They didnt have a clue. Had it wired after the factory amp, which was sending way too hot of a signal, had the bass turned all the way up on the factory stereo, which was also distorted. Didn't sum anything, just took 1 source from the amp, that was pre eqed. Horrible. Quality of work was horrible as well. That has nothing to do with audiocontrol, thats on the dealer, but they warranty those clowns for 5 years. AudioControl make great products, but one year, no thanks.
@@klubstompers yeah some brands are installs from authorized dealers, some are from certified installers. Me getting my MECP basic will solve that...
Hey, I know this is an old video, but where in the signal path should a line driver go?
What would I need for front dash speakers,rear doors,rear deck speakers??? 6 speakers.
Do the class collision repair teach you all of these...
Have you ever hooked a bass processor on a home stereo receiver sub out line?
I just got a system installed in my car and I am not happy with the sound. It's a 2014 Mazda 3 hatchback. I got a LC7i because I am unfortunately stuck with a stock head unit for the moment. I also got a JL Audio HD900/5 amp and a HO110-w6w3 sub and Focal components in front and coaxes in the back. 2 problems:
1. There is an audible hiss that is really annoying at lower volumes. If I crank up the volume enough I can drown out the hiss but it's super annoying. I think it's the LC7i but I can't be sure.
2. It feels like there is a black hole in the sound in the mids. When listening to a bassline I can hear as the notes are going up and down and the lower notes are thumping from the sub but as they go up in frequency they get way more quiet and have less impact. I think the installer messed up the crossovers or something, or maybe something is out of phase. I don't know. All I know is that my mids are weak AF and it sucks.
Anyone have any ideas or input?
JL audio XD600/1v2 or Audio Control LC-1.800 which one would you recommend? Also is it worth the extra money for a DSP for the highs?
Could u do a video about amp placement? As in how much space different power ratings and classes of amps need to keep it safe from over heating. I see you installing amps underneath floors but I then also see people all over online saying not to do that as they will be prone to overheating.
Most people online are interested in bargain basement gear that is designed poorly and thus needs auxiliary cooling. Use quality gear, leave 1 inch of clearance around the amps and you are good to go.
CarAudioFabrication Thanks for the response! Glad to get a professional’s opinion on the matter, you’re the man. This should make things much easier.
Thanks Mark. Excellent overview.
Why is the Epicenter Plus Discontinued? Seems like an awesome product. If they're still making the Epicenter, why not the plus? Does it offer too much amazing functionality that competes with a different product they want to sell us additionally? Seems really well made. Like if I buy one of the few that are still available, it will last.
Looks like a great way to go active
Just to clarify the order these components go, so from factory head unit would be line out converter to equalizer to crossover to amplifier?
What if I wanted to add the epicenter into the components listed above? What would the order be? The epicenter right after the crossover and before the subwoofer amp?
I have a epicenter, dsp and a amplifier. From factory head unit what goes first to last?
I have a question for you. I have a audiocontrol epicenter and a
audiocontrol 4 and one audiocontrol Equalizer. The right way to hook up the epicenter to the aftermarket radio is to run a set of rcas from the radio to the input of the epicenter. And since I have a audiocontrol equalizer 4.1 the rca output of the epicenter. On which rca plug in on my Equalizer do I run my rcas in to from the output from the epicenter
So epicenter has to be install in line before amp or dsp?
If so. How am I have to connect from factory head unit that doesn’t have RCA ?