Tiff Needell on Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth Group A (Top Gear 1989)

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  • @TheLateBrakeShow
    @TheLateBrakeShow 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    The Sultan of Skid. Little did we realise he'd still be sliding and chatting to camera 30 odd years later. We love you Tiff.

  • @FrodoFett
    @FrodoFett 14 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Needell is such a smooth driver, seeing him fight the RS500 makes it clear how much of a beast the Grp A cars were to drive. Great video, thank you!

  • @n9brc
    @n9brc 10 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    Why would 11 people thumbs down this!? It's a great little piece of motoring history!

    • @resnonverba137
      @resnonverba137 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Now up to 28 and still a mystery.

    • @Alex-1750
      @Alex-1750 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @n9brc BMW E30 M3 owners

    • @fst-timer7107
      @fst-timer7107 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The sort of people that are unaware of manually selected gears.

    • @warrenmargetson597
      @warrenmargetson597 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Two of those were from the rear tyres....

    • @truckspank656
      @truckspank656 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's the drink drivers!

  • @johnevison6063
    @johnevison6063 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Tiff can drive.
    That car is an animal, especially in that state of tune.

  • @raymondrayban
    @raymondrayban 14 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    THATS when watching touring cars was GOOD! watching these and them volvo T5s!

    • @badgers1975
      @badgers1975 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It did get a bit boring when it was the entire over 2.5l class until Lionel abbot turned up with a Saab 9000 Carlson, they were untouchable

  • @paulgarrett4610
    @paulgarrett4610 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I remember driving these fantastic cars when i worked at a Ford dealership in the 80's a friend of mine had a cossie all chipped up to 174mph! It was an awesome machine. Such a thrill to drive but sadly could not afford one back then . Those were the days you could work on them yourself not like today with so many computer systems

    • @davekennedy6315
      @davekennedy6315 ปีที่แล้ว

      They ended up having Cosworths doing 200+mph! A 200mph Sierra HAS to be a truly terrifying but equally incredibly fun drive.

  • @bugproductions9050
    @bugproductions9050 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    These things were pumping out well over 600hp in Australia in their racing heyday. Good times.

    • @Mikeb1001
      @Mikeb1001 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They got to that here eventually as well

  • @FrodoFett
    @FrodoFett 14 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    @LMF5000 : He's fighting to stay in control of the car. Those are corrections and recoveries. A car with that much power is twisting the chassis, breaking the tires loose. Ideally you want to be smooth but to catch the car's movements he has to be quick and proactive instead of reactive. Brilliant work behind the wheel of a monster!

  • @peterdrotos2935
    @peterdrotos2935 9 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    what a fantastic engine that Cosworth was...

    • @theant9821
      @theant9821 8 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      the cosworth yb was based on the ford pinto (4 cylinder 8 valve) engine which was a European engine (in escorts, cortinas, capris, etc., though not much in usa, at all), basically a beefed up 2L pinto block with a 16v head and a turbo on the side.

    • @AsinineComment
      @AsinineComment 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Powerful, tough - yes - but a coarse nail, just like the standard Pinto donk.

    • @badgers1975
      @badgers1975 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@AsinineComment pinto block , costin and duckworth magic for thee head

  • @ianstubbs3671
    @ianstubbs3671 8 ปีที่แล้ว +133

    when top gear..... WAS top gear!!!!!

    • @quantumquestthebillionaire1527
      @quantumquestthebillionaire1527 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yea crap....

    • @fivenine5905
      @fivenine5905 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      utter shit yeah.

    • @jonelson1983
      @jonelson1983 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@technicalthug To be fair, this type of episode wasn't the norm. The majority of the progs were as boring as hell and involved Wollard driving shit cars like the latest 1.1 Metro on earnest road tests. It generally was a shit programme.

    • @ant2312
      @ant2312 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@jonelson1983 no it wasn't, you're just a moron

    • @jonelson1983
      @jonelson1983 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@ant2312 Thanks mate for your valued input.

  • @funnystuff9954
    @funnystuff9954 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    When top gear had brains and not muppets

  • @kamikazekaos
    @kamikazekaos 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Mk1 ,mk2 Rs escorts and Sierra ,escort cosworths are the most iconic cars above the rest to date

  • @rodneymcgiveron
    @rodneymcgiveron 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If I ever got a chance to meet a famous Pom ..Tiff would be that person . What a legend .

  • @jay55148
    @jay55148 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    What a legend for uploading these classic top gear videos, I was 4 years old when this came out.

  • @DAN.eight6
    @DAN.eight6 8 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I miss old top gear

    • @domwaller7391
      @domwaller7391 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      All TV is accessible these days go for it

  • @jacekatalakis8316
    @jacekatalakis8316 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Those RS500s at Bathurst were absolutely, point blank, insanely amazing in 87-88. Say what you want about th Eggenberger cars, if they cheated or not, but the Texaco Sierras were amazing. I can't find a bad livery on an RS500, and you then ha the equally badass Escort RS Cosser on the rally stages too

  • @barryotoole6990
    @barryotoole6990 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great car tiff had his hand full. Great driver and a true gent meet him a Goodwood FOS 2 years ago

  • @sammythemod
    @sammythemod 12 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The mans an absolute legend!!!Amazing driver and comes across as a really decent bloke too!!!
    I like his nervous laugh at 6:13 !!!!

  • @MrPreshita
    @MrPreshita 9 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    this is the most epic car ever.. Period

  • @thebrummierailenthusiasts5329
    @thebrummierailenthusiasts5329 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yes tiff needell won his first btcc race during the endurance race edition of donington park where he shared with Laurence bristow

  • @michaelhughes3302
    @michaelhughes3302 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tiff.... You were an absolute animal behind the wheel.

  • @johnnymossville
    @johnnymossville 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My favorite era of touring car. Those cars are total beasts.

  • @arkhsm
    @arkhsm 12 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Aussie Dick Johnson's Sierras won at 1,000 km's [620 mls], now that's more of a true endurance race !

  • @theayatollahofrockandrollah
    @theayatollahofrockandrollah 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    so well mannered and soft spoken yet such a bad ass driver

  • @Zadster
    @Zadster 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    2019: Tiff spends all his time on track trying to get cars to go sideways
    1989: Tiff spends all his time on track trying to get the RS500 to not go sideways
    I think the RS500 was the last generation of British Touring Cars that actually looked like they were going scarily fast. Mind boggling that you could just walk into a Ford dealer and essentially buy the same car (minus cage) and run it on the road or chip it, connect the second row of injectors and race it.

    • @Karibanu
      @Karibanu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's because they were ridiculously fast until you got to a corner - 500+bhp in a touring car.! there was hardly any GT racing for most of the 80s, so TCs filled the gap. Supertourers did actually look fairly quick once they got the aero kit ( they were faster than the Sierras round a circuit, but slower than the current NGTC cars ), the problem with modern cars is they're so wide they just look smaller than they really are.

    • @peterdonoghue8161
      @peterdonoghue8161 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You could do all that stuff and drive it on the street, bananas! The escort cosworth also had goodies like water injection pumps and tank in the boot all disconnected ready for rallying. Awesome era for motoring.

    • @ryderm3907
      @ryderm3907 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’ve been in a 400bhp Sierra cosworth (not an rs500) but it was scary

    • @christiancosworth
      @christiancosworth 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Quando le auto da corsa
      Le
      Compravi al
      Concessionario.. 💪

    • @badgers1975
      @badgers1975 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's because they were the rs500's were faster down hanger straight than a same era f3000, they were absolute weapons

  • @BillyBoy444
    @BillyBoy444 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was lucky enough to be a passenger in a car drive by Tiff. It was only a Ford Mondeo but he had it sideways (lift off oversteer) on every corner round malory park. Good memories. That Cosworth though sounds amazing. Be interested to know if it had a dogleg gearbox as it looks like he pulls sixth but must be only 5th gear 😜

  • @LordSandwichII
    @LordSandwichII 12 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    MAN, That dude can drive!

  • @meanmelons647
    @meanmelons647 9 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I miss this car. Beast of an engine.

    • @DTFilmProductions
      @DTFilmProductions 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can get 620bhp at 2.3 bar boost out of this engine and it's quite reliable for racing and 400bhp more than the standard road car

  • @hernanmunoz
    @hernanmunoz 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    AMAZING CARS THIS SIERRAS!!!
    I LOVE THEM!!!
    FROM PRODUCTION TO A WINNING RACE CAR WITH MINOR CHANGES!!
    GREAT CAR OF ALL TIMES AND WILL BE REMEMBERED FOREVER!!

    • @iannixon2553
      @iannixon2553 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hernan Moser ....too true

  • @mej6519
    @mej6519 9 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    ahhhh i miss proper top gear.

  • @bmac5085
    @bmac5085 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Respect to Tiff 😎

  • @MyMIXmedia
    @MyMIXmedia 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Look how responsive it is on boost, like holy hell its fast like a rocket. No lag.

  • @hammertimee777
    @hammertimee777  14 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    @lucrativeelfmongrel TIff changes gear well.
    He can cruise along in fifth gear.
    And then ocassionally have fun with the top gear.
    He's so good he can do a good show in gears!

  • @DamianSix66
    @DamianSix66 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I miss the old Top Gear format , the new format has had its day now . Bring back Tiff , Tony , Steve and Vicky .

  • @andybrace4983
    @andybrace4983 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a car the RS is and still is

  • @jblack5323
    @jblack5323 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I remember watching this episode with my dad, and him saying “500 horse power!”. He had a Lotus Cortina at the time and they had around 105bhp which went well back in 89…

  • @ghostassassin1107
    @ghostassassin1107 10 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Now this I could watch all day, shame how it went from being about car info into car entertainment. Kind of the same with History, TLC, and the Discovery Channel. I used to learn from their programming as a kid, now though?.......ugh!

    • @suitsyousir1980
      @suitsyousir1980 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Ghost Assassin 100% agree. Clarkson’s ego ruined TG

    • @Chalky.
      @Chalky. 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Old Top gear didn't stop when new Top Gear was made, when it just changed channel, kept most of the presenters and called itself Fifth Gear.

  • @mister.dynamite
    @mister.dynamite 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This TopGear theme is better than the modern theme.

  • @lingchan7877
    @lingchan7877 11 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Shit that Tiff can drive!

  • @benlee2765
    @benlee2765 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    i miss the oldschool touring cars with no real downforce, just mechanical grip. you can see how loose it can get.

  • @richardwilliams5994
    @richardwilliams5994 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    10 years on and there's still no flies on Tiff, if there are, they're paying rent.

  • @phiilyphil8900
    @phiilyphil8900 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a driver tiff is 👌awesome to be able to watch him drive 👌♥

  • @daddysmith1376
    @daddysmith1376 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Unbelievable how much steering input these old schools cars had to have.

  • @NameName-eq7oe
    @NameName-eq7oe 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My dad had a cosworth when I was little...but I was too young to remember :-(

  • @brushhead
    @brushhead 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love touring car racing....such edge of seat stuff! Wild!

  • @team_project_23
    @team_project_23 10 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    is tat Murray Walker doing the BTCC commentary?

    • @grahamhearn19
      @grahamhearn19 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      it is indeed the great man himself

  • @cheloalvarez4551
    @cheloalvarez4551 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    awesome car.. I have a Sierra ghia 2.3 and i love it.

  • @bernadezi
    @bernadezi ปีที่แล้ว

    NIce driving Tiff, regret never owning a Ford Cosworth Escort or Sierra Amazing cars for their time.

  • @DonegalOverlanding
    @DonegalOverlanding 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What an awesome episode, wish this was in HD!

  • @ThatCarGuy1983
    @ThatCarGuy1983 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a machine! ❤

  • @XB10001
    @XB10001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was my first car (but the sedan, unfortunately). I liked it so much ...

  • @Bergie_78
    @Bergie_78 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    First time I’ve seen this, brilliant vid!

  • @Stuntman175
    @Stuntman175 13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @martinh88 When you're driving a 1100 kg RWD car with 500 hp that has suspension as soft as a brick wall with 5 cm steel plates in it, you're bound to saw with the wheel since the suspension does not absorb the bumps on the road as well as a road car and sends the shock through the steering rack and column into his arms. All racing cars from the 80's do that and most still do today.

  • @Roboami
    @Roboami 13 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    oh, the sound of straight cut gears...

  • @lucrativeelfmongrel
    @lucrativeelfmongrel 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tiff's the man. I don't think I'd ever even be able to change gear as well as him!

  • @jaykay7932
    @jaykay7932 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    a friend of mine had the cosworth 500 for his second car, first car being a 1.1 metro which spluttered a lot (im talking 1999). He had the sierra for about a month before he wrote it off. Very quick car

  • @markli3889
    @markli3889 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wonder what lap times tiff was putting in at brands? Looked pretty quick

  • @Ed-ty1kr
    @Ed-ty1kr 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Back in the 1980's... every day, was a cloudy day.

  • @wcg66
    @wcg66 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is why I always preferred Fifth Gear vs Top Gear, the hosts really knew their stuff but also could really drive!

    • @simonsimon325
      @simonsimon325 ปีที่แล้ว

      Clarkson and co were entertaining in their way, but they did take it into wanky territory that made you feel at times like a tosser by association. Massive nostalgia seeing this version. Memories of the group B rally coverage in the snow. Insane 😂.

  • @richsan4923
    @richsan4923 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When Top Gear was actually about motoring and the motorist.

  • @g.j.koster1986
    @g.j.koster1986 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love that car, ....and tiff ofcourse.

  • @benrenkylosolo5350
    @benrenkylosolo5350 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    A lot of cars have come since the Sierra Cosworth but it's still a damn cool car!!!!

  • @mrmrdean1
    @mrmrdean1 10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great driver.

  • @ChrisRefalo
    @ChrisRefalo 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @isamike Couldn't agree more, I love the old Group A cars such as the Sierra and the Skyline, they were far more interesting cars and had a lot more in common with standard road cars unlike the current cars which share nothing with their road going versions.

  • @Baron118118
    @Baron118118 12 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    BEST FORD ON THE PLANET!

  • @br33zy771
    @br33zy771 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    my favorite car in Project Cars

  • @tomsmith2209
    @tomsmith2209 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Remember when people used to watch motorsport?

  • @michaelstephen819
    @michaelstephen819 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ah - the Sierra! Great car - my first ever car was a 2.0 GLSi DOHC. Rear wheel drive - RIP!

  • @23hublock1
    @23hublock1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I saw Tiff the other day at Thruxton, he's looking well! £155 for 3 hot laps with him driving a BMW M4....way out of my price range, but good to watch all the same!

    • @bowlock9901
      @bowlock9901 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A snip to be honest, for a memory as such, although i'd of been the same. Legend.

    • @23hublock1
      @23hublock1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bowlock9901 Absolutely, and when you hear him talking to people, he's such a friendly and down to earth guy.

  • @phiilyphil8900
    @phiilyphil8900 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Best sounding and driving car ever 😎👌

  • @AdrianoHunter1981
    @AdrianoHunter1981 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hope it goes well for you bro..... can't wait for the next video ❤❤

  • @AsinineComment
    @AsinineComment 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was weird. In all the touring car / Group A racing I watched in the 80s and 90s, I *never* saw anyone continually sawing away at a Sierra's wheel, as much as Needell does in this clip - even on cold tyres. Either the track was covered in detritus, or the car wasn't set up for that track.

  • @1979jon
    @1979jon 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    rs 500 is one off the best cars ford has ever made,

  • @MP-po6fj
    @MP-po6fj 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tiff N even struggling to keep a rwd 50p bhp Sierra on the track. Steering wheel fighting with him and he's a pro trained touring car racer
    Shows you the skills these guys needed to have compared to the modern subaru 4wd

  • @petyrkowalski9887
    @petyrkowalski9887 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Modern F1 could learn a lot from these old BTCC cars.... Big power, less tyre grip and longer braking meant fast cars but great close racing and lots or overtaking.

  • @crazygrainger2006
    @crazygrainger2006 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was expecting Clarkson to pop out of nowhere and say "Cozzie" in a Yorkshire accent.

  • @huckcast7175
    @huckcast7175 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love how he explains an additional 250hp with tuning

  • @YouPenetrate
    @YouPenetrate 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wish they had this car in Gran Turismo 5!.

  • @Fuzion180
    @Fuzion180 14 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    haha look at him fighting with the wheel, wicked!

  • @hungrr08
    @hungrr08 9 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I wonder what became of each Cosworth in this video?

    • @Retepnilap
      @Retepnilap 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The Cosworth ' D888 OKO is now up for sale. 1 Owner from new.

    • @davejohnson3474
      @davejohnson3474 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      E666 is dead since 1990 probably ram raided through a shop.

  • @LPtheDESTROYER
    @LPtheDESTROYER 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a handful.. I want one

  • @theant9821
    @theant9821 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bring back race cars that have to be fought round the circuit.
    They make far better racing.

  • @richarddavies4647
    @richarddavies4647 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish I still had mine

  • @KingHarris11
    @KingHarris11 13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    my grandad has an rs500 with a similar boost to what tiff had - my god its quick!

    • @iannixon2553
      @iannixon2553 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Benjamin Harris ...i used to have a Group A car on the streets,up the bhp to 900,tested on the Autobahn on holidays by my German friend,ex racer beat anything they had AMG,PORSCHE ,AUDI,all the M cars, anything they had ,with 80's technology, the Germans still can't believe BRITISH Engineering at its best...cant beat COSWORTH,which Land Rover Group was to buy it to take the battle to the Germans,like Mercedes bought AMG .
      The RS500has since been sold,too old for that game.

    • @a.tanner8524
      @a.tanner8524 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@iannixon2553 Are you Jay from the Inbetweeners?

  • @surantharan1321
    @surantharan1321 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Top of its era

  • @Soulvex
    @Soulvex 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sitting here at the age of 42, drooling over these icons and then Tiff mentions 225 BHP and instantly think, damn.. my diesel vectra has 244bhp..

    • @nickegan3988
      @nickegan3988 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hehe yeah time marches on doesn’t it

    • @toucheturtle3840
      @toucheturtle3840 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Modern cars are much heavier...

    • @Soulvex
      @Soulvex 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@toucheturtle3840 indeed, my vectra is heavier than my omega and there is only about 7 years difference, my cars probably weight almost twice that of the sierra rs500 here.

    • @Soulvex
      @Soulvex 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@feydespiel. no presence on the road is just an opinion and you'd be surprised, turbo kicks in at 1900rpm and has a ton of torque. anyway, i'm in no way comparing them.

  • @davespooney8472
    @davespooney8472 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why does the RS500 road car in this clip have fog lights where there should be grilles?

    • @Andyc351
      @Andyc351 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      They came with the fog lights in boxes in the boot. The owner probably fitted them.

    • @davespooney8472
      @davespooney8472 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      SIERRACOS - cheers 👍

  • @Apidium
    @Apidium 13 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    500hp! :)

  • @1ukjunglednbraver
    @1ukjunglednbraver 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    i love touring cars from the 80's and earler 90's there fuckin great...best cars ever made and the best looking..

  • @Roboami
    @Roboami 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @darrenjgraham It's when the gear teeth aren't cut in an angle in the transmission (basically like the reverse gear on any manual car). Noisy but easier to cut -

  • @RK1FX
    @RK1FX 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like Jeremy Clarkson, but damn is this man charismatic and skilled as fawk. Big thumbs up for him.

  • @LMF5000
    @LMF5000 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @g00sampson I've always wondered about that - why does he jerk the steering wheel left and right instead of smoothly pointing it in one direction?

  • @Roadwarrior92
    @Roadwarrior92 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tiff Is a legend

  • @BurtSampson
    @BurtSampson 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tiff's the GOAT.

  • @DankSi
    @DankSi 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tiff is the man

  • @toucheturtle3840
    @toucheturtle3840 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My 1.6L was a handful on a wet roundabout.

  • @rsfez09
    @rsfez09 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    That Cosworth looks a handful. 😎

  • @domwaller7391
    @domwaller7391 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brrm brrm lol I saw these cars at brands hatch late 80s was magic time for touring cars

  • @vix121
    @vix121 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @LucasSchaaf
    The Sierra is rear wheel drive.

  • @frasr
    @frasr 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    tiff is he the guy thats on Fifth Gear now?