Also, Memory Beta's contradictions mainly occur because it has no canon tier system to classy articles into, so articles and timelines can end up becoming an awkward hodgepodge of competing stories and rival timelines, especially regards novelverse into ST: Online.
“Why is Kira named Kai?” Let’s put it this way: let’s say we needed a new Pope and there was someone on hand who could prove that she had worked, fought and hung out with Jesus.
"There are those who seek power & those who have power thrust upon them." Also, "Those who want to lead are usually the worst choice TO lead." Kira would most definitely be nick-named "the reluctant Kai" & been a terrific one. (I think) I also would not be surprised if she made it a point to "clean up" the pleasant distortions of history. (even if doing so was not well received) Like how Vedick Berial was the driving force behind the peace treaty with Cardassia, and how Kai Winn fell to the Pah Wraiths. Giving an honest assessment of Sisko (the Emissary), and so on.
@@Dac85 Wisdom, Peace, and Age is what changed her. She didn't have a military role to play, so she took a religious one. I mean most soldiers who return from war find a deep faith in something/
One minor correction; you said Sisko had DS9 moved to the mouth of the wormhole to claim it for the Bajoran people. It was actually Kira, with help from O’Brien, that moved the station. Sisko was in the Gamma Quadrant/talking to the Prophets with Dax at the time. The first he knew of the station being moved was when he towed Gul Dukat’s ship back through.
I think Kira as a Kai would make somewhat sense, given her closeness to the Emissary. With her being that close and him gone, many would look to her for guidance, believing that she was so close, he must've imparted at least some of his wisdom to her.
Never played the game, but I'd see that as a transition job for her to prevent more radical candidates to take power at a time when Bajor needed stability the most. Kyra is definitely the type of character onto whom you'd put responsabilities of power because they don't want it in the first place.
Also remember that her faith was so pure that the Prophets actually chose her as a vessel to fight the Pa'h Wraiths before Wynn screwed everything up out of her own sense of ego.
Yeah, exactly. I see her getting fuming mad at some vedek that's just inching from winning the election, because she sees a repeat of Kai Wynn. She doesn't want it, and she's not running for the office, just campaigning against that one person, and somebody nominates her, and she accidently wins. Lol.
Kira as Kai? That's hard to picture. I could see her taking it for 2 reasons. 1) To prevent another self-serving figure like Wynn from taking the position 2) If studying Bajoran prophecy could somehow help finding the Sisko.
i never watched DS9 when it was airing, the thought of a space station as star trek was nonsense so didn't even give it a chance, i watched the entire series a year or so ago and it's dethrone TNG as the best star trek.
I did mostly same when I watch it fully in the first time fully on spike TV at the mid 00's...didn't help my local stations aired the show at random times when it originally aired on syndication:S TNG has a few great stand alone storeies (Chain of command, best of both worlds, All God things..., yesterday's enterprise, etc, but yea DS9 is a great piece of partially serialize drama
You should also give Babylon 5 a shot. Imo, it was the best sci-fi series of the 90's. The Expanse has come the closest to replacing it as my favorite sci-fi series to date.
Whoa. From Colonel, to Vedek, to Kai, to Captain?! ....HOW is she not a lower star Admiral with a rep sheet like that?! Oh, wait. The best officers decline desk jobs... She already had one. Captain sounds nice. 😂👍🖖
I could actually see Kira go into the priesthood. ALOT of preachers in te Wild west era were made up of former soldiers, bandits and gunslingers. Kira having fought for Many years and has always had a somewhat or very close relationship to vedeks and the organization. If the vedeks kept being elected into government positions being faithful and serving in a government support role would not be out of the question. Also, people grow older and change, sometimes into positions or places you'd not expect.
This was very interesting, and I learned alot. I have always loved Star Trek, but I am not a "hardcore" fan, so alot of this information is new for me. Thank you sir! :) Love this series, keep it up! :D
4:41 In the episode "Hunters" on Star Trek: Voyager, all remaining members of the Maquis were pardoned in 2374 so they could help in the war against the Dominion. Presumably Ro Laren was one of them. So it wouldn't make sense that she was still in prison unless it was on charges unrelated to being a member of the Maquis. On a related note, it bugged me that they killed off Captain Hudson. It would have been really cool if he made another appearance on Deep Space 9. A Sisko & Hudson episode where they team up and kick the living crap out of the Dominion would have been cool.
If I recall, Kira becoming a Vedek (now a Kai) is based on an actual DS9 episode, where she gets a vision from one of her interactions with an Orb of the Prophets, which predicts her becoming a member of the religious order. Maybe STO used that for the basis of Kira becoming Kai?
Bajor (and a lot of the Alpha Quadrant) plays a lot in the end game levels of STO. The mission "Of Bajor" in The 2400 FE series (Lost Dominion) showcases a lot of the 2410 Bajor.
Sadly they removed that quest arc from the game in their recent "mission streamlining" when they released the Star Trek: Discovery expansion and haven't put those episodes back. The Cardassian missions just have the "New Link" arc.
@@neilprice513 You're incorrect. Bring up the Mission window. Under the Available tab, after lvl 65, Admiral Quinn will have a mission hand off for something called Lost Dominion. That will start The 2400 FE missions. Otherwise it will under Lost Dominion mission replay in the Available tab.
You're character has to have played those missions before they were removed unfortunately. The same goes for the Breen mission arc They really need to include more Cardassian info though.
Love these lore bits! Very helpful. Also, Picard was obviously in the kelvin/discovery 25% different due to intellectual property rights contracts timeline
I know this is late, but please continue these Lore Bites. as a Developed Star Trek Fan and STO Player getting these tidbits actually feels nice if not an impressive Refresher on what is Star Trek's Lore.
Yes and yes. I was always interested in the period just after the war. A time for reorganizing not retribution. First finding the collaborators. I suspect that would be their next step. Finding those responsible and bringing them to trial and charging them for their war crimes by a Bajoran court. Surely worthy of the Kai and emissary to lead the people into the future.
Personality wise it does seem odd that Kira would become Kai. However when you stop and think that she works on the Gateway to the Celestial Temple, she was the right hand of The Emissary, she helped find Bhalla, and she once hosted a Prophet in the physical battle with the Kost Amajon who's shockwaves caused earthquakes all across Bajor, it would totally make sense that Bajorans would want her to be Kai, she is the actual real deal of their religion.
I could see Kira becoming a vedek, maaaaaybe.If she became Kai, i think it would be a very similar situation as Sisko becoming the emissary. Like Worf said(after finally killing bug-eyes), “great men do not seek power, it is thrust upon them”. Which is actually a recurring theme i hadn’t noticed until recently. Sisko, Damar, Rom, Martok, and Kira all went thru this.
I would posit her study to become a Vedek after teh Dominion War is part of her continued effort to deal with her pretty extreme PTSD (as the authors and actress confirmed--she has been fighting, killing, seeing death & atrocities since she was a child). Her faith ultimately gave her enormous comfort, especially as she found ways to make her own interpretation of what the Prophets were to her and what they offered. She is a natural warrior, a fearless and fierce defender of her people--and in a fundamental way that was something she never wanted to be. Or, maybe that was something she deeply regretted having had to become.
STO should have stuck with the DS9 Relaunch novels post-series timeline. A lot of the same things happen, but Bajor joins the UFP soon after the war, Kira becomes a Starfleet Captain and commands DS9 until becoming Kai, when Ro Laren takes her place. Also I am pretty sure the original station was destroyed.
One correction, Ro Senna holds the chair as head of DS9 security, not Laren. Though a possible relative, as they share a family name. I know in much beta-canon Laren did hold that position, but in STO it's Senna. Laren's fate is still unknown whether or not she survived the Maquis purge.
There are a couple of lines in STO, some sadly not in the game anymore, that point to why Kira became Kai. From what I remember it was simply because there were fights, assassinations, riots etc. because the other Kai hopefuls were trying to start a mini civil war, just to get the position. The Vedek assembly asked Kira if she would become Kai, as a lot of people thought she was a candidate who had a political stature as she worked with the Emissary and could quiet things down. I think Kira accepted the job just so she could stop the infighting.
Its been a while since i saw ds9 but i think it was a political move by zek and his mother. The simple explanation is that zek begun to make some radical changes to the alliance (such as letting females wear clothes and earn profit) which angered alot of traditionals like quark who would if made grant neigas repeal everything. Rom on the otherhand was always shown to be more progressive so it was seen that he was the one to keep the ferengi alliance on the progressive path.
I tried this game. Got to max. Did the delta thing, Dyson thing. Then came back years later and my toon had 454 hp and was getting slapped around. No idea how to progress
I don't know what Gene Roddenberry got his inspiration for the Bajoran religion but it always gave me the impression of being an amalgam of different Faiths. I say this because if you pay close attention you will notice elements and even references to Buddhism, Catholicism, Islam, Judaism and christianity. ( I listed Catholicism and protestant Christianity) on certain episodes it's a little harder to see mainly because the focus is on something nonreligious or just filler.
Kira has many qualifications that make her a good candidate for being the Kai, even without the attainment thing. She was a close friend and colleague of the Emissary who often sought her counsel on things regarding Bajor. She was chosen by the Prophets to be their vessel during the fight with the Kost Amojan. It seems as if Gul Dukat was in some way the emissary of the Pah-wraiths and she exposed that he had misled and tried to kill his followers, freeing them from his influence. She was the partner of Vedek Bareil who had only lost the election to Kai because of Kai Winn's underhanded methods, and then Winn basically murdered him. When Winn subsequently died trying to free the Pah-wraiths, I'm sure that people would have thought back to her election as Kai with bitterness and regretted that Bareil wasn't elected. When Dukat disguised himself as Anjohl Tennan, Kai Winn went to Kira to figure out what the Prophets would want her to do. Then Winn rejected her advice and nearly destroyed Bajor.
Sebastian Brooks-Baker Near the beginning of Nemesis Picard makes reference to Riker having been his first officer for 15 years. He came aboard the Enterprise-D at the start of TNG in 2364, so 15 years = 2379.
So far, nothing official. Trek's timeline ended with Nemesis in 2379, and there's only been books and games afterwards, both of which have a history of being ignored by the shows in the past. But the Picard series is treating Hobus as having occurred and that's about all we know for certain.
I think you refer to the episode called "Rapture". In that story Bajor nearly joined the Federation, but then Sisko, who had a vision from the Prophets warned them not to do this. "it is too soon," he said. Otherwise Bajor would be destroyed in the upcoming Dominion War. As far as I know Bajor did not join the Federation until the end of the series.
@@mb2000 Bajor declined Federation membership, allowing them to sign a non-aggression pact with the Dominion, which kept them safe while the Dominion controlled DS9.
J17 True, I was just quoting the episode Bridge 66 mentioned. As for the original statement, there was no episode of DS9 in which Bajor joined the Federation. It was still just a prospective member at the end of “What You Leave Behind”.
So if the Bajoran Militia was dissolved, does that mean Ro Laren was reinstated as a Starfleet Officer? I doubt it, but that would take her full circle. I know in a book I read (forgot the title) awhile back she was the CO of the newly, Federation built DS9 that was constructed after, I believe, the Typhon Pact(?) destroyed the old Cardassian built one.
So, with her involvement in the Maquis, Starfleet career options are pretty limited so she joins the Militia instead. The Militia is still around, it was never dissolved, it became a customs and police force for Bajor instead while Starfleet took over all the space exploration and combat. As DS9 is still Bajoran property, she remains as Security chief.
@@CertifiablyIngame Getting dismissed (dishonorably discharged) twice from Star Fleet would make her too much of a risk, especially on DS9. Bringing her back is just hackery
I kind of like that they suggested the prophets were teachers and not actual deities since the whole “your gods are wormhole aliens” seemed a little euhemerist to me.
What surprised me is how much of a basket case Bajor still is in the STO timeline. You would think by then people would understand the difference between federation membership and cardassian occupation. Also the lack of a greater in system infrastructure puzzles me. Not just from a defense standpoint considering it's position in the quadrant, but an economic one as well. Newer larger stations, shipyards, early warning sensor platforms and system defense patrols would make more sense than simply letting DS9 do all the heavy lifting. When the Jem'Hadar fleet held in the wormhole poured out they should have found a system with years worth of preparation waiting for them. And subsequently gotten their teeth kicked in by a fleet that has had several decades to adapt and advance compared to the Dominion fleet. It would be like putting a world war two era navy against a vietnam war era fleet.
.........that concept actually happened once........yeah the ww2 fleet equivalent technically won......look up the chinese pirate queen......no totally serious here
From what it sounds like , and from a logistics standpoint . Bajor would make more sense as the Capital of the Federation. Much like how America made Hawaii a state for it's reasoning for attacking japan. In hindsight you don't see Hawaii as some American colony it is an actual state far far away from the mainland for political reasons . No one in Hawaii was even thinking of becoming american .
In the novel Picard: Last Best Hope, a Bajoran woman named Jocan Koli joins the mission to evacuate as many people as possible from the blast radius of the imminent Romulan supernova, working directly under Admiral Jean-Luc Picard. She keeps Picard and his XO Raffi Musiker in touch with the psychology of evacuated refugees who might be suspicious of a foreign power offering to relocate them somewhere else. Unfortunately, Jocan (remember, in Bajoran culture they lead with the last names first) resigns from the mission (and possibly Starfleet as a whole) after a fiasco on Nimbus III where the Tal Shiar show up in force and Picard retreats back to the USS Verity, naively believing that the Tal Shiar will peacefully handle the transfer of the planet's population. They do not- video footage is taken of the Tal Shiar flat-out murdering people on the ground- video footage that is leaked across the Federation and whittles away at the support for the mission itself and leading to resources being scaled back.
Agreed about Kira. Her becoming Kai is very much like Garak being the leader of Cardassia for a time. The writers just name drop any DS9 character they can think of in a place of importance for the sake of fan service, instead of following the logical story path that would make sense for the character. Kira becoming a Federation captain after makes a lot more sense, given that she was so opposed to the Federation initially but grew a deep respect and trust as time went on. Sisko's friendship really changed her. STO did a decent job with some elements of the Star Trek story, but has a lot of issues in my opinion. Recycling the Federation Klingon war through a shapeshifting species was pretty lazy. Making the Kelvin and Kurztman timelines canon.... that's a crime. Lazily giving every species' ships to the Federation...that's just a huge case of favoritism. Personally, I'd like to see a new story that picks up after DS9 and carries on properly. The best part of STO so far, has been fighting in Klingon hell. I have to admit, I never thought of that as a story, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Joey Wall it’s not a Defiant, it’s some STO variant/upgrade. I don’t like it myself, looks like the ship had a head-on with a wall and the deflector got bent underneath.
I like the idea of Kira becoming a Kai in 2410. Also she should have been a low rank starfleet admiral first when Bajor becomes a Federation member A Bajoran running for Federation presidency??! I hope he wouldn't say "the election is rigged and the cardassians is behind all this"
I disagree about Kira. The trials and devastation she'd experienced would drive her further towards her faith. Many a warrior became a person of the cloth after the fighting was over.
Things will never see in live action Trek. Bajor in the Federation. Any regular travel faster then Warp 9.9. Fleet wise use of the cloaking device. The Removal of the Prime Directive.
I wouldn't really consider the differences between STO and the "Novel Verse" contradictions as much as just differences because STO from the start established that the universe of the novels or the "destiny timeline" is an alternate reality to itself the STO version of temporal agent Dulmur for instance is said to have memories from other timelines get mixed up in his head such as the destruction of Vulcan from the "Kelvin timeline" and the massive Borg Invasion from the "Destiny timeline" there for establishing both as equally valid but alternate realities within STO's Multiverse.
Please don't hate me for saying this , but I enjoy the star trek online videos of star trek online , but not the game. Too many hours of dilithium mining , and Tour the Galaxy completely burned me out of this game. Love the details of ships , and characters . Wish the game play was more modern though.
150 members not 50.
Thanks for pointing this out, looks like a misread my notes.
If you listen closely he actually says FIFTEEN....not FIFTY ( 1:21 )
@@CertifiablyIngame Surely it's WAY higher, by 2399, anyway.
And that doesn't include 'affiliated' or 'protectorate' worlds.
Also, Memory Beta's contradictions mainly occur because it has no canon tier system to classy articles into, so articles and timelines can end up becoming an awkward hodgepodge of competing stories and rival timelines, especially regards novelverse into ST: Online.
I was about to ask that
“Why is Kira named Kai?”
Let’s put it this way: let’s say we needed a new Pope and there was someone on hand who could prove that she had worked, fought and hung out with Jesus.
"There are those who seek power & those who have power thrust upon them."
Also, "Those who want to lead are usually the worst choice TO lead."
Kira would most definitely be nick-named "the reluctant Kai" & been a terrific one. (I think)
I also would not be surprised if she made it a point to "clean up" the pleasant distortions of history. (even if doing so was not well received) Like how Vedick Berial was the driving force behind the peace treaty with Cardassia, and how Kai Winn fell to the Pah Wraiths. Giving an honest assessment of Sisko (the Emissary), and so on.
and then later Kira steps down as the old Kai is returned to Bajor...
I mean, the more salient question is: why would Kira bother? She never seemed like someone that would even WANT that position.
@@Dac85 Wisdom, Peace, and Age is what changed her. She didn't have a military role to play, so she took a religious one. I mean most soldiers who return from war find a deep faith in something/
Quark's Bar becomes a Ferengi embassy.
For some reason that feels appropriate on _so_ many levels.
Wait, it wasnt already?
#Logic if every Ferengi embassy is a shopping mall.
One minor correction; you said Sisko had DS9 moved to the mouth of the wormhole to claim it for the Bajoran people. It was actually Kira, with help from O’Brien, that moved the station. Sisko was in the Gamma Quadrant/talking to the Prophets with Dax at the time. The first he knew of the station being moved was when he towed Gul Dukat’s ship back through.
I think Kira as a Kai would make somewhat sense, given her closeness to the Emissary. With her being that close and him gone, many would look to her for guidance, believing that she was so close, he must've imparted at least some of his wisdom to her.
Yeah I can just imagine Kira snapping one day after hearing a vedek touting something she knows Sisko would hate as being "The will of the Prophets".
Never played the game, but I'd see that as a transition job for her to prevent more radical candidates to take power at a time when Bajor needed stability the most. Kyra is definitely the type of character onto whom you'd put responsabilities of power because they don't want it in the first place.
Also remember that her faith was so pure that the Prophets actually chose her as a vessel to fight the Pa'h Wraiths before Wynn screwed everything up out of her own sense of ego.
@@quoniam426 Kiera and Martok sitting around one day commiserating on the sacrifices of command, over a Raktajino.
Yeah, exactly. I see her getting fuming mad at some vedek that's just inching from winning the election, because she sees a repeat of Kai Wynn. She doesn't want it, and she's not running for the office, just campaigning against that one person, and somebody nominates her, and she accidently wins. Lol.
Kira as Kai? That's hard to picture. I could see her taking it for 2 reasons.
1) To prevent another self-serving figure like Wynn from taking the position
2) If studying Bajoran prophecy could somehow help finding the Sisko.
You could make a whole season out of this.
i never watched DS9 when it was airing, the thought of a space station as star trek
was nonsense so didn't even give it a chance, i watched the entire series a year or so ago and it's dethrone TNG as the best star trek.
I did mostly same when I watch it fully in the first time fully on spike TV at the mid 00's...didn't help my local stations aired the show at random times when it originally aired on syndication:S
TNG has a few great stand alone storeies (Chain of command, best of both worlds, All God things..., yesterday's enterprise, etc, but yea DS9 is a great piece of partially serialize drama
You should also give Babylon 5 a shot. Imo, it was the best sci-fi series of the 90's. The Expanse has come the closest to replacing it as my favorite sci-fi series to date.
it's in my collection, i agree it was the best of the 90s 5 seasons wasn't enough,
i tried to watch The Expanse but can't make it past the first EP
DS:9 expanded the Trek Universe more than any other series except TOS which started it all.
Ds9 and Babylon 5 were WOEFULLY underrated
Whoa. From Colonel, to Vedek, to Kai, to Captain?! ....HOW is she not a lower star Admiral with a rep sheet like that?!
Oh, wait. The best officers decline desk jobs... She already had one.
Captain sounds nice. 😂👍🖖
well She only stepped down as Kai when she helped bring back the older Vedek.... (play STO)
@@sheilaolfieway1885 I do. Don't assume. Mine is USS Samaras. See you in sector space.
I could actually see Kira go into the priesthood. ALOT of preachers in te Wild west era were made up of former soldiers, bandits and gunslingers. Kira having fought for Many years and has always had a somewhat or very close relationship to vedeks and the organization. If the vedeks kept being elected into government positions being faithful and serving in a government support role would not be out of the question. Also, people grow older and change, sometimes into positions or places you'd not expect.
I like how you are doing this series, Rick!!! Awesome work, keep it up!!!
I’m really loving this Star Trek “Lore”! Thank you.
A show with Kira as Captain would be awesome! A revival of DS9 would be perfect. Picard can even be linked in eventually.
Check out the show 'What We Left Behind'.
i still want to see ambassador worf
This was very interesting, and I learned alot. I have always loved Star Trek, but I am not a "hardcore" fan, so alot of this information is new for me. Thank you sir! :) Love this series, keep it up! :D
4:41 In the episode "Hunters" on Star Trek: Voyager, all remaining members of the Maquis were pardoned in 2374 so they could help in the war against the Dominion. Presumably Ro Laren was one of them. So it wouldn't make sense that she was still in prison unless it was on charges unrelated to being a member of the Maquis.
On a related note, it bugged me that they killed off Captain Hudson. It would have been really cool if he made another appearance on Deep Space 9. A Sisko & Hudson episode where they team up and kick the living crap out of the Dominion would have been cool.
If I recall, Kira becoming a Vedek (now a Kai) is based on an actual DS9 episode, where she gets a vision from one of her interactions with an Orb of the Prophets, which predicts her becoming a member of the religious order. Maybe STO used that for the basis of Kira becoming Kai?
Bajor (and a lot of the Alpha Quadrant) plays a lot in the end game levels of STO. The mission "Of Bajor" in The 2400 FE series (Lost Dominion) showcases a lot of the 2410 Bajor.
Sadly they removed that quest arc from the game in their recent "mission streamlining" when they released the Star Trek: Discovery expansion and haven't put those episodes back. The Cardassian missions just have the "New Link" arc.
@@neilprice513
You're incorrect.
Bring up the Mission window. Under the Available tab, after lvl 65, Admiral Quinn will have a mission hand off for something called Lost Dominion. That will start The 2400 FE missions. Otherwise it will under Lost Dominion mission replay in the Available tab.
You're character has to have played those missions before they were removed unfortunately. The same goes for the Breen mission arc
They really need to include more Cardassian info though.
I like the lore bits as separate, but also tied in where necessary (maybe a brief summary in the episodes, with a full mini-episode flushing it out?)
Love these lore bits! Very helpful. Also, Picard was obviously in the kelvin/discovery 25% different due to intellectual property rights contracts timeline
I know this is late, but please continue these Lore Bites. as a Developed Star Trek Fan and STO Player getting these tidbits actually feels nice if not an impressive Refresher on what is Star Trek's Lore.
I thought Kira was Captain Marvel in your thumbnail. Just saying.
C D Would make the movie a hell lot more interesting and tempting to watch.
it's called clickbait
She way better then Brie Larson
@lcyw20 Thats the real captain Marvel
Yes and yes. I was always interested in the period just after the war. A time for reorganizing not retribution. First finding the collaborators. I suspect that would be their next step. Finding those responsible and bringing them to trial and charging them for their war crimes by a Bajoran court. Surely worthy of the Kai and emissary to lead the people into the future.
Personality wise it does seem odd that Kira would become Kai. However when you stop and think that she works on the Gateway to the Celestial Temple, she was the right hand of The Emissary, she helped find Bhalla, and she once hosted a Prophet in the physical battle with the Kost Amajon who's shockwaves caused earthquakes all across Bajor, it would totally make sense that Bajorans would want her to be Kai, she is the actual real deal of their religion.
I could see Kira becoming a vedek, maaaaaybe.If she became Kai, i think it would be a very similar situation as Sisko becoming the emissary. Like Worf said(after finally killing bug-eyes), “great men do not seek power, it is thrust upon them”. Which is actually a recurring theme i hadn’t noticed until recently. Sisko, Damar, Rom, Martok, and Kira all went thru this.
I would posit her study to become a Vedek after teh Dominion War is part of her continued effort to deal with her pretty extreme PTSD (as the authors and actress confirmed--she has been fighting, killing, seeing death & atrocities since she was a child). Her faith ultimately gave her enormous comfort, especially as she found ways to make her own interpretation of what the Prophets were to her and what they offered. She is a natural warrior, a fearless and fierce defender of her people--and in a fundamental way that was something she never wanted to be. Or, maybe that was something she deeply regretted having had to become.
love this style of vid as well as game play vids. keep up the good work!
i love these kind of videos
STO should have stuck with the DS9 Relaunch novels post-series timeline. A lot of the same things happen, but Bajor joins the UFP soon after the war, Kira becomes a Starfleet Captain and commands DS9 until becoming Kai, when Ro Laren takes her place. Also I am pretty sure the original station was destroyed.
I would like to see more video's like this. I'm a fan of STOs lore
Very enjoyable! More please! :D
love these kind of vids ❤
One correction, Ro Senna holds the chair as head of DS9 security, not Laren. Though a possible relative, as they share a family name. I know in much beta-canon Laren did hold that position, but in STO it's Senna. Laren's fate is still unknown whether or not she survived the Maquis purge.
It was finally answered in Star Trek Picard Season 3.
oh gosh yes they are very informativethe more the better they are so much appreciated
There are a couple of lines in STO, some sadly not in the game anymore, that point to why Kira became Kai.
From what I remember it was simply because there were fights, assassinations, riots etc. because the other Kai hopefuls were trying to start a mini civil war, just to get the position.
The Vedek assembly asked Kira if she would become Kai, as a lot of people thought she was a candidate who had a political stature as she worked with the Emissary and could quiet things down.
I think Kira accepted the job just so she could stop the infighting.
And when Opaka was freed from the prison world by Starfleet's medical advances, Kira gave her her old title back.
Nerys was chosen to be a vessel for The Prophets during the reckoning. So her being Kai wasn't really surprising.
All that development for Bajor, and yet, we still know nothing about what happened to Jake, Kassidy, and her and Ben's kid.
Loving the video game and lore bits. I do like the lore more than the video game if I had to choose.
Think about Kai as an ambassador. She had actual encounters with the wormhole aliens, as Kai, she can act as a go-between if one is needed
Fantastic story and game
-"Bajor."
-"Yeh.... that's in Jersey, right?"
-"Right."
Great video I really enjoy it
Awesome video
I enjoy the lore bits.
Great video Rick!
Thanks, I know it's a short vid though.
Awesome work.
are the ST pocket books canon or is it jist the movies or tv shows?
Can you also use zen ships
I agree, I don't see Kira as Kai, I see her more as Commander of Security or maybe Admiral commanding defense of Bajor as part of Starfleet.
Nicely done. I record all of your episodes.
Whatever happened to Captain Sisko
Would it be possible to do City of Heroes serie?
Of all people I did not think ROM would be grand nagus
Its been a while since i saw ds9 but i think it was a political move by zek and his mother.
The simple explanation is that zek begun to make some radical changes to the alliance (such as letting females wear clothes and earn profit) which angered alot of traditionals like quark who would if made grant neigas repeal everything.
Rom on the otherhand was always shown to be more progressive so it was seen that he was the one to keep the ferengi alliance on the progressive path.
I tried this game. Got to max. Did the delta thing, Dyson thing. Then came back years later and my toon had 454 hp and was getting slapped around. No idea how to progress
I don't know what Gene Roddenberry got his inspiration for the Bajoran religion but it always gave me the impression of being an amalgam of different Faiths. I say this because if you pay close attention you will notice elements and even references to Buddhism, Catholicism, Islam, Judaism and christianity. ( I listed Catholicism and protestant Christianity) on certain episodes it's a little harder to see mainly because the focus is on something nonreligious or just filler.
Kira has many qualifications that make her a good candidate for being the Kai, even without the attainment thing. She was a close friend and colleague of the Emissary who often sought her counsel on things regarding Bajor. She was chosen by the Prophets to be their vessel during the fight with the Kost Amojan. It seems as if Gul Dukat was in some way the emissary of the Pah-wraiths and she exposed that he had misled and tried to kill his followers, freeing them from his influence. She was the partner of Vedek Bareil who had only lost the election to Kai because of Kai Winn's underhanded methods, and then Winn basically murdered him. When Winn subsequently died trying to free the Pah-wraiths, I'm sure that people would have thought back to her election as Kai with bitterness and regretted that Bareil wasn't elected. When Dukat disguised himself as Anjohl Tennan, Kai Winn went to Kira to figure out what the Prophets would want her to do. Then Winn rejected her advice and nearly destroyed Bajor.
:51 at seconds is that a Defiant-class starship?
That thumbnail mad Major Kira look like Captain Marvel.
Karen Marvel has had her hair dyed brunette today lol
Want a show of this
I find it hard to believe that Kira Nerys of ds9 would become a Vedek at all.
Check Memory Beta again, Sisko returned in September of 2376 along with Elias Vaughn from the Wormhole just before the entrance ceremony......
Yes, but that's a different timeline to Star Trek Online. In STO, he's still with the Prophets.
@@ZoeMalDoran Oh vey
Where is Thomas Riker Will Riker's twin
Keep up the sto content.
cant planets in the federation keep ther own military forces?
Nemesis was actually set in 2380.
Sebastian Brooks-Baker Near the beginning of Nemesis Picard makes reference to Riker having been his first officer for 15 years. He came aboard the Enterprise-D at the start of TNG in 2364, so 15 years = 2379.
I thought I recognized that actress from somewhere.... She was good as Cmdr. Kaine.
So once Kira is re instated as Captian, what happens to James Kurland?
Sorry to ask but what is actually cannon now in the prime universe cuz I’m not sure what to follow
So far, nothing official. Trek's timeline ended with Nemesis in 2379, and there's only been books and games afterwards, both of which have a history of being ignored by the shows in the past. But the Picard series is treating Hobus as having occurred and that's about all we know for certain.
Certifiably Ingame thanks for your help Iv never played sto so after the last film I don’t know the time line
There is a episode of DS9 where Bajor officially joins the Federation. When Bajor joined the Federation is in error in this video.
I think you refer to the episode called "Rapture". In that story Bajor nearly joined the Federation, but then Sisko, who had a vision from the Prophets warned them not to do this. "it is too soon," he said. Otherwise Bajor would be destroyed in the upcoming Dominion War. As far as I know Bajor did not join the Federation until the end of the series.
Bridge 66 “Bajor will be destroyed unless it stands alone” and something about locusts...
@@mb2000 Bajor declined Federation membership, allowing them to sign a non-aggression pact with the Dominion, which kept them safe while the Dominion controlled DS9.
J17 True, I was just quoting the episode Bridge 66 mentioned. As for the original statement, there was no episode of DS9 in which Bajor joined the Federation. It was still just a prospective member at the end of “What You Leave Behind”.
So if the Bajoran Militia was dissolved, does that mean Ro Laren was reinstated as a Starfleet Officer? I doubt it, but that would take her full circle. I know in a book I read (forgot the title) awhile back she was the CO of the newly, Federation built DS9 that was constructed after, I believe, the Typhon Pact(?) destroyed the old Cardassian built one.
So, with her involvement in the Maquis, Starfleet career options are pretty limited so she joins the Militia instead. The Militia is still around, it was never dissolved, it became a customs and police force for Bajor instead while Starfleet took over all the space exploration and combat. As DS9 is still Bajoran property, she remains as Security chief.
@@CertifiablyIngame Getting dismissed (dishonorably discharged) twice from Star Fleet would make her too much of a risk, especially on DS9. Bringing her back is just hackery
"Kurland here"
And if the Picard series somewhat redoes everything STO did, we can simply say that STO takes place in another alternate timeline/universe right?
Yep.
ToS?
Kitt Spiken ?
Great work. Im curious, does Sisko ever return from the celestial Temple in any timeline?
He did it if I remember after 2 years with The Prophets
@@sithsoldier98 where is that referenced?
he returns in the novel Unity, just as Kassidy is giving birth to their child,
I think kira would become kai to be closer to sisko as well
6:30 lower left hand side: PLANETS REALLY ARE FLAT!!!!!
I kind of like that they suggested the prophets were teachers and not actual deities since the whole “your gods are wormhole aliens” seemed a little euhemerist to me.
What surprised me is how much of a basket case Bajor still is in the STO timeline. You would think by then people would understand the difference between federation membership and cardassian occupation. Also the lack of a greater in system infrastructure puzzles me. Not just from a defense standpoint considering it's position in the quadrant, but an economic one as well. Newer larger stations, shipyards, early warning sensor platforms and system defense patrols would make more sense than simply letting DS9 do all the heavy lifting. When the Jem'Hadar fleet held in the wormhole poured out they should have found a system with years worth of preparation waiting for them. And subsequently gotten their teeth kicked in by a fleet that has had several decades to adapt and advance compared to the Dominion fleet. It would be like putting a world war two era navy against a vietnam war era fleet.
.........that concept actually happened once........yeah the ww2 fleet equivalent technically won......look up the chinese pirate queen......no totally serious here
For a moment there, from the thumbnail, I thought Captain Marvel had dyed her hair.
From what it sounds like , and from a logistics standpoint . Bajor would make more sense as the Capital of the Federation. Much like how America made Hawaii a state for it's reasoning for attacking japan. In hindsight you don't see Hawaii as some American colony it is an actual state far far away from the mainland for political reasons . No one in Hawaii was even thinking of becoming american .
In the novel Picard: Last Best Hope, a Bajoran woman named Jocan Koli joins the mission to evacuate as many people as possible from the blast radius of the imminent Romulan supernova, working directly under Admiral Jean-Luc Picard. She keeps Picard and his XO Raffi Musiker in touch with the psychology of evacuated refugees who might be suspicious of a foreign power offering to relocate them somewhere else.
Unfortunately, Jocan (remember, in Bajoran culture they lead with the last names first) resigns from the mission (and possibly Starfleet as a whole) after a fiasco on Nimbus III where the Tal Shiar show up in force and Picard retreats back to the USS Verity, naively believing that the Tal Shiar will peacefully handle the transfer of the planet's population. They do not- video footage is taken of the Tal Shiar flat-out murdering people on the ground- video footage that is leaked across the Federation and whittles away at the support for the mission itself and leading to resources being scaled back.
Agreed about Kira. Her becoming Kai is very much like Garak being the leader of Cardassia for a time. The writers just name drop any DS9 character they can think of in a place of importance for the sake of fan service, instead of following the logical story path that would make sense for the character. Kira becoming a Federation captain after makes a lot more sense, given that she was so opposed to the Federation initially but grew a deep respect and trust as time went on. Sisko's friendship really changed her. STO did a decent job with some elements of the Star Trek story, but has a lot of issues in my opinion. Recycling the Federation Klingon war through a shapeshifting species was pretty lazy. Making the Kelvin and Kurztman timelines canon.... that's a crime. Lazily giving every species' ships to the Federation...that's just a huge case of favoritism. Personally, I'd like to see a new story that picks up after DS9 and carries on properly. The best part of STO so far, has been fighting in Klingon hell. I have to admit, I never thought of that as a story, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Bajor: the Federation’s Afghanistan
Unlike America, the federation actually helped
Oh Lita...
So Kira and Odo never got back together? That sucks.
Would’ve made more sense if Kira was 1st minister, surely?!
Why is your Defiant ship missing its pointy nose?
Joey Wall it’s not a Defiant, it’s some STO variant/upgrade. I don’t like it myself, looks like the ship had a head-on with a wall and the deflector got bent underneath.
I don't know how I feel about Leeta being a government official lol...
I like the idea of Kira becoming a Kai in 2410. Also she should have been a low rank starfleet admiral first when Bajor becomes a Federation member
A Bajoran running for Federation presidency??! I hope he wouldn't say
"the election is rigged and the cardassians is behind all this"
I disagree about Kira. The trials and devastation she'd experienced would drive her further towards her faith. Many a warrior became a person of the cloth after the fighting was over.
At first, I thought it said "2049" instead of "2409"
How bout a video on the losers of the federation dominion war
I don't like the idea of Kira becoming Kai either.
Either way is fine with me.
Reminder that Gul Dukat did nothing wrong
Things will never see in live action Trek. Bajor in the Federation. Any regular travel faster then Warp 9.9. Fleet wise use of the cloaking device. The Removal of the Prime Directive.
We saw warp 10 in Voyager and warp 13 in the series finale of TNG.
sure lets have a convicted terrorist as the chief of security, sounds legit
I wouldn't really consider the differences between STO and the "Novel Verse" contradictions as much as just differences because STO from the start established that the universe of the novels or the "destiny timeline" is an alternate reality to itself the STO version of temporal agent Dulmur for instance is said to have memories from other timelines get mixed up in his head such as the destruction of Vulcan from the "Kelvin timeline" and the massive Borg Invasion from the "Destiny timeline" there for establishing both as equally valid but alternate realities within STO's Multiverse.
is it just me or would the chick that plays kira on ds9 would have made a WAY better captain marvel
Dude the lady who plays Kira (Nana Visitor) is 61. So no she would not make a better Captain Marvel
Caleb Hughes Anyone else other than Brie Larson would be a way better Captain Marvel.
@@AugustAutumn and that was my point :)
@@bigbear1293 and she would STILL be a better captain marvel
What what if the bajoran orbs were actually in fact the Infinity Stones destined to be placed in The Infinity Gauntlet........mind blown!!!
3:07, you mean attainted, not attained.
Please don't hate me for saying this , but I enjoy the star trek online videos of star trek online , but not the game. Too many hours of dilithium mining , and Tour the Galaxy completely burned me out of this game. Love the details of ships , and characters . Wish the game play was more modern though.
all you had to do was admiralty missions for dilithium and buy and sell keys on the exchange for ec
and when you finish the Klingon or ferengi tour of duties you get 30k dil anyway
Free Pah-Wraith Dukat from the Fire Caves...
#DukatDidNothingWrong
Let his evil ass roast a few more centuries.
There used to be an episode/mission in Star Trek Online where we had to stop a Pah Wraith cult from doing that