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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- This is a heartfelt appeal to Jagex, urging them to set aside corporate greed and genuinely listen to the concerns of both myself and our community. I discuss the absence of updates for high-level players, the disappointment surrounding the Forestry system, the anticipation for Desert Treasure 2, the removal of the ancient Prayerbook, the disparity in update history compared to RS3, the need for quality of life improvements, the subpar quality assurance practices, the abandoned Tombs of Amascut, and testimonials from players across all skill levels who are dissatisfied with the current state of the game.
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Even if not everybody agrees with everything I say, I love the discussion! You would never see anyone talking about anything like this a month ago.
Love your guides, streams, and videos generally. I disagree with this video, but I understand your desire for harder content - it's just that most players don't have your skill set and therefore it isn't feasible to design insane pieces of content for the very small minority.
No, but you would have months ago when TOA came out. And you will see it again next time too.
It's funny that so many people think all the hate is more valid than the voices who are coming to light! Today's stream showed how much people truly support you and your movement. Haters always whine the loudest. If their only argument is to touch grass, shows more about their character than yours. You came with facts and valid points of argument, while they came with a big bottle of glue to eat. All MMOs communities go through this phase of "no end game content" and every time that happens, even with big games like WoW, they die, the numbers suffer, and gets overran by bottom feeders. People want to wonder why the community is shrinking? Look at these comments and the toxicity for simply stating your opinions in a proper manner. HLC isn't driving people away, its Reddit/YT assholes. Some people need to take a look in the mirror
@@Hedron_Archmagesounds like someone needs to go outside and touch grass
I was joking just for trolling, but honestly living and dying on how your view a game is genuinely unhealthy. If this community wants it to feel harder, maybe play less. Genuinely then your learning curve will be stretched longer. Also, just because you do want some stuff to be harder does not mean that the other content can’t come out. Being such a tiny portion of the community is a disadvantage, but you yourself said that hard mode leviathan was the right sort of thing. So, a small portion of the update did appeal, why are you wanting to enforce ALL of an update to fit you when it’s only a few people as opposed to many? The hard mode leviathan is a proportional amount of very hard end game to the number of people who would want such a thing.
Sounds like what Gnomonkey really needs is to take a 3 month break from the game, go on vacation in the Bahamas, integrate himself into a local village’s culture, be given a loving nickname by the locals, celebrated by the locals for being an outgoing and charming white man from the West, given traditional spirits and an assortment of alcoholic beverages during a nightlife ceremony lit by the stunning illumination of torches, made to dance in a circle (although initially reluctant) while the locals bang on percussive instruments and gleefully hum songs of their culture, lock eyes with a beautiful 22 year old local named Nacheline who gazes back at him with wonder and interest, introduce himself to her with his confident demeanor as she giggles and twirls her hair, take her by her arm and bring her into the dance circle so they may share an unforgettable moment together as their souls intertwine in a magical nightlife experience of adventure and romance, make love, leave in the morning because you’re afraid of how you’re going to only mess her up because you feel unworthy of being loved by someone so precious and full of life, go to the airport, go to board your flight but feel a familiar voice scream out your name, turn around and see it’s Nacheline; she followed you all the way to the airport despite security’s frantic attempts to stop her, listen to her monologue about how the night you two spent together was the most incredible night of her life and how she would go to the ends of the world just to spend another one with you, you drop your bags and rush over to her, sweep her off her feet, confess your love to her, share a powerfully romantic kiss that could split the earth in two, take her back to America with you, show her your culture and travel the country, realize that time has flown by so quickly and 3 months has already elapsed, dump the bitch, hop back on some Oldschool RuneScape, and see if your view towards the game has changed a bit. Just a suggestion.
hahahahahahahahha!!
Greatest comment I’ve seen yet. Gnomonkey may be onto something, but this is also valid
Comment of the year for me! 😂😂😂
I couldn't stop myself from clicking "Read more"
lmfao im crying,.... of laughter
Gnomonkey looks like he was created in lab to play OSRS and now that he's beaten the game he's asking God why he exists
this got a very deep belly laugh to just come jumping out of my face. 10/10 would ride again
Lmfao
"w h a t i s m y p u r p o s e"
"You grind boss"
"O H M Y G O D"
Conquers his challenges and then asks for more. Absolute chad
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Man’s just said 2 tick woodcut is fun and interesting
That alone for me shows the great disconnect between him and the majority of the community. Been playing this game since before members was even a thing back in RSC. If they designed all content around people with his mentality this game would die off really fast, i.e. Wildstar.
Squeaker virgins usually find the most tedious monotonous tasks fun because they're so fuuuucking weeeiirrdddd
@@devincassidy114 Who's asking for Jagex to develop all content with this mentality? Nobody is.
@@StopLootingPLS He's asking for a disproportionate amount of this type of content to be created compared to the community size of the niche community itself. He's also discounting that the very patch he's complaining about is them adding sed content. I agree with a lot of the stuff he said around qol for speed runners and think they deserve that; but I think he severely overestimates the engagement numbers on this aspirational content. This video could have been a whole lot more civil and less holier than though if he just approached it as merely asking for qol for speed runners. He'd have had a lot more support from the community too. But going about it saying basically all content that isn't that hard is trash just shows his selfishness. He doesn't care for the health of the game to he only cares about his own enjoyment. There's plenty of aspirational content in the game.
Also his comparing Rs3 bosses like arraxxor as being hard is laughable. Arraxxor is easier than CG (and that was like 4-5 years ago when I did it, probably easier now.) He's just used to this game and better at it. He likely needs to take a break from it if he's unhappy with it's challenge because, for the majority, it's plenty challenging.
@@devincassidy114 The reality is that if we got shit like ToB then it's pretty much months and months of wasted dev time for the 90-95% of players that don't want to go through the hassle of getting your first KCs since they won't touch the content while the top 5% gatekeeps the fuck out of it. FFXIV had this happen where 2 raid tiers back-to-back in 2015-16 were aimed at their equivalent of the HLC and it killed the shit out of raiding for years, I'd argue even through the next expansion.
And it really doesn't have to be this way, there's no reason why ToB has to kick you out of the raid when your party wipes, just make it steal 100k from your bank per wipe or something like that. You're already getting punished by having your time wasted and decreasing the chances of a purple, there's no reason to create unnecessary friction within the playerbase by kicking you out of the raid on top of that.
It’s not that you don’t deserve content. It’s that you are going to blast through content more quickly than any other type of player. You love Leviathan right now, but how long until you’re bored and aching for something more interesting? I would bet a year at most. Mid game players will be entertained for the rest of their account life by forestry, wintertodt, and tempoross. Your attention span is much shorter than Jagex’s development time.
Also, developers don’t want to design for things to be abandoned. Yes it’s okay to expect new content, but we also hate dead content, and a balance needs to be struck between having nothing new to do and having 30 high level bosses for the top 1% to get bored of and abandon. That’s just not a good use of time for the developers.
And finally, the high level community makes jagex the least money. You’re the most likely to buy bonds by the year at the lowest bulk price. You’re the most capable of funding your accounts without spending irl money, by buying bonds with gp instead. Jagex has no incentive to make you play more, they already have your yearly payment and they aren’t getting anything more from you.
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“Inferno achievements are very simple” you’re so out of touch it’s honestly hilarious 😂
needs to touch grass
bruh ikr i ran around the house in dis belief when i got my first infernal cape. Madness how people are moaning who had 16 hrs a day to play that it's not hard. fucking hell you do anything for 16hrs a day and youll be amazing at it
If you can’t get infernal cape with the new power creep gear then it’s your problem.
@@darren6111 first off, we’re talking about the inferno achievements, not just the inferno, secondly who said I can’t do the inferno? The inferno by itself is not simple or easy in the slightest but to say the achievements are “simple” is just retarded.
In everyone of the clips, he uses the tiles from the Runelite plugin - like he is literally going out of his way to make it as easy as possible. The dude needs to ease up on the 100,000 plugins to tell him where to click, hiding prayers, and other shit.
i rather enjoyed the dt2 bosses, and theyre a lot more intensive than any quest bosses so far. I really felt they did a good job here.
I agree I don't think they did a bad job but what gnomonkey is looking for is just one more inferno/tob level piece of content, and this was not it
I think gnome could have given a little bit more credit to it, but his overall points seem to be tob and inferno content hasn't been approached enough
@@profcalculus474I don’t think Jagex ever said it would be, so it feels super weird for him to be disappointed that it’s not lol
@@profcalculus474that’s literally what awakened bosses are…?
It's honestly some of the most fun i've had in bossing.
Eventually it’s okay to move on from a game or take a step back. I get the feeling you play entirely too much and are feeling it now
Nah man he played this much in 2017 and 2018 too, watch the vids and look at the updates. the content jagex used to make focused less on the “skill” and rather just offered super complex mechanics that players had to figure out, and w the new bosses and toa it’s just how fast can we change gear how fast can we change prayers. It’s a lot less of solving a puzzle and more so just punching numbers into a calculator
low iq comment
@@TaleOSRS well that doesn’t work for the RuneScape populace :P
The game's final challenges should always be ahead of the playerbase. It is a crying shame that thousands have 'beaten' osrs and 4 years later, there is nothing. It's a huge mistake and he's correct. They are not following the good examples of other MMO creators.
@@TaleOSRS you must not be very good at rune to not use your keyboard. osrs uses several f keys to sort through the interface when pvming XD
Aaty and synq both thought this update quenched the thirsts of needing challenging content. This guy is just ridiculously hard to please.
Watch Aaty quit again to go play Overwatch in a month.
@@ZealotTF2 yeah I mean he’s got blood torva now, what else is left? They can’t complain that they aren’t being listened to anymore.
Gnomonkey already addressed this in the video. These bosses are a good addition, but since you can't easily re-attempt them without blowing loads of money, it isn't worth doing, especially since they provide nothing after you get blood torva.
@@NirvzHDI can understand that point. I think they should have an option to sacrifice X amount of orbs to have unlimited entry to the awakened versions
@@thefatpakyak2826 That's not a bad idea as long as it includes the fact that you've already completed the boss once so you can't spend 10 orbs then suicide to the boss forever until you get the armor upgrade
AutumnElegy arc has begun
lmao
Sounds like burnout. As an average end game player, with a handful of hours to play a week, the current content never leaves me bored. When you play the game and minmax for a dozen hours a day, every day, I'm sure it gets tiring.
dawg you are in no close level to monkey lmaooooo
yo man, i think you missed the point.
13k hours in osrs and hes like "wheres the content for my one specific niche?"
@@MrAnonfail u mmean the dude who has done all the content? lol he's maxed he knows what he's saying
Monkey plays this game like his life depends on it, he will learn soon enough
Some people: dO nOt CaTEr tO IroNMeN tHey imPoSeD tHis dIfFiCulTy oN thEmSeLVes!
Also same people: can you please make infinite charges for xyz and let me get tasks I want on a whim because I imposed unrealistic expectations on myself?
yeah totally agree, like teleing around - no-one wants to walk so makes agility useless, then people whine about training it. all the charges and having to take time away from bossing ( which in turn limits loot output which is in fact a good thing) they then complain about that. I love HC mode and haven't stopped playing it. I play it because I enjoy the mode and doing everything myself. But kids will be kids and they will throw their toys out because they didn't get the drop they wanted within 10 mins of coming online.
This video unironically helped me come to terms with quitting the game and moving on and to not get so obsessed with a literal game. De-ironed my nearly maxed account and sold everything. It's been months now and I'm happy about it.
Good for you, brother.
tell rsn, bet ur not even half way to max.
People that don't play this game full time have plenty of content
Dare I say too much content lol
Bro the game's been out for a decade.
@@ProfitSlim And they've jut brought out a grandmaster quest with 4 new bosses? Content isn't dry
Infinite content really….
Thats why bringing out some mega challenging content for end game players is fine - it's not like a level 80 with a barrows set has run out of things to do
When the community got bored with the game they created their own challenges this was the beginning of Ironman mode. Your playing this game as a full time job, have the best gear available and 99 in every skill. The game isn’t too easy, the top 1% like you are just too good and you don’t seem to realize the vast difference between you and the rest of the high level players.
false
@@Kindreddit False how?
Yes. So sick of hearing people complain about their own lack of creativity. If you want harder challenges, do things in worse gear or fewer supplies.
This has nothing to do with gear, 99s or time investment. It's about the lack of mechanical/strategic depth in recent game updates.
If there was more depth in pvm, it would be more appealing and hold a larger playerbase of people who enjoy complex, deep games.
@abee127 What "depth" do you expect? Its a 20 year old point-and-click rpg. It can only go so deep. In current PvM, we have tick manipulation, we have we have 1 tick prayer switching, we have prayer flicking while dodging attacks, we have prayer flicking while flinching, we have skilling. There's only so much you can put into a 2d game that updates every 0.6 seconds.
At what point do you just accept that you've beaten the game? That you've mastered everything that the game engine can throw at you. Either go into PvP that doesnt have set patterns, or better yet, just find a different game. Gnomonkey is whining that the devs arent catering to the 0.001% of people that have the time, skill, and interest to no-life all new hard content only to become bored within a week.
This is only a issue when you play 24/7 wich most of us dont. No matter how much content jagex produces it wont ever be enough for you. Think you have a big blindspot, the average player is happy and thankfull for these updates.
yea "average" hes talkin ab the high level lol watch the video fully
@@jigglemahnut6493 That community does not buy bonds yet wants to dictate dev time. That is the graveyard for most mmorpg's. Maybe start a ironman and turn off the plugins and see what those "skills" actually are.
@@jigglemahnut6493I’m high level and content
@@simdal3088 facts never seen so much shit on the screen from anybody else
its called autismo
Whenever I feel like crap, I tune in to this guy's stream and remember how good my life is
LOL
facts he is like a child with no social skills whining to his minions. and if you disagree he literally starts to turn red and tear up over rs. dude is the definition of dork
@@outdoorogre4279 "and if you disagree he literally starts to turn red and tear up over rs" do you have a clip?
@@maskettaman1488 He's literally manifesting his thoughts into reality. Avg 1500 total redditor
@@jinn194 That's kind of what I thought lmao. Of course no one has a clip because this literally never happened
You really just don't get it. TOA saw more player engagement in the first 2 months after it's release than TOB saw in 4 years (source: hiscore data). Jagex isn't going to waste dev time on another piece of content like TOB that is dead on arrival for 99% of players.
I know for a fact he gets that, but there is still a case for challenging content that makes people strive to improve for
Tob dead on arrival lmfao
Toa is completable by level 70 billy bobs who can get a 1b item with ease.
tob is completable by players who want to learn content and play the game.
apples and oranges lil bro.
@@Kindreddittouch grass
The reason the mechanics are complex in CoX and ToB are because almost none of those weird mechanics were actually intended. Now they make bosses with intended mechanics.
People tbowed verzik day of release... It was very very clearly intended to be meleed cos of it's mage zaps and weaknesses. Olm head running was an intentional mechanic else he wouldnt turn his head and skip attacks
This is the most ironic bit - we need QA and better designed content, but QA and better designed content means less room to explore and exploit that content.
@@Slabfish as to why I didn’t say all mechanics.
@@Slabfish people also still tbow Verzik
@@Lord.Grofyththere really aren't that many exploits that were completely unintentional though and tob has a really sandbox design that allows room for player expression.
Maze skip, nylo cap, 30s skip, 5t xarp, tick eat on specials, web running, p1 melee and pneck bloat come to mind for unintended stuff but the sandbox is what allows some of those. Jagex probably wanted people tbowing webs but still allowed players to melee it, I think it's just well designed and they knew people would be scything anything they could
I got 11 minutes in and you literally seem like the kind of person that would complain to a manager because you unwrapped your cheeseburger to easily
Lmfaooo
>osrs is too easy
>entire client is lit up like a christmas tree with plug ins
Playing on the vanilla client doesn't make you better lol. Such a weird stance to take
@@maskettaman1488 my man has better npc highlight for vard axes, true tile, inventory tags, and fuck ton of tiles marked. The other day on stream he was using visual sounds and color coded them to pray correctly, essentially using guitar hero cheat client like plug ins lmao. There’s a reason why everyone clowning him and it’s literally because it’s true. Dude would struggle to do most content in the game if he disabled most of his plug ins
@@Styxlanian Ok, and? Lets see you do the same and perform half as well.
People like you struggle fighting the quest versions of these bosses and then cling to the concept that the only reason you're failing is because you're not using tile markers or whatever.
Of course, you will never actually use the tile markers, you will never become good at the content, and you cope by pretending to have some artificial moral highground about it. You pretend that if you put some markers on the ground that you could start farming inferno and the awakened dt2 bosses.
"No I've never done inferno because I don't cheat by using RuneLite"
hahaha get real
You're just like a redditor lol
@maskettaman1488 playing on vanilla doesn't make a player better.
However, if a player is playing with dozens of plug-ins, then they remove those said plug-ins. They will generally perform much worse. That is the point.
@@cabbagedestroyer1693 Same with if they wore a blindfold, what's your point?
everything is going to be easy when you have played it for thousands and thousands of hours. That's not jagexs' fault
1000% times this
Well this guy plays osrs for a living so that's probably why he complains so much.
Hey bro, the game’s been out 10 years
idk i did the bosses in void with d scim, reg trident, dds - post quest and not once thought i needed max gear :3 nor do i have "thousands of hours"
If you get too good at the game its over. You wont get a piece of content past tob/inferno. If you were an endgame player in 2018 youve had years of nothing
I love you and your content Gnomonkey, but this is a touch grass issue.
I think he just misunderstands that jagex doesn’t need to care about his community to keep making a popular game
It's his job to to play and stream this game. He can still care about it....
@@Kisamefishfry fair
@@Kisamefishfry absolutely but caring and setting far unrealistic expectations arent the same. this is more damaging than helpful to rs as a whole
a streamer that streams to people that only play this game all day and have nothing better do to in their life... instead of complaining, those kids should get a job instead of complaining about a game that should be fun. if you want challenges, go outside of your house and see if it excites you aswell.
It's videos like these that serve as a perfect example of why TH-cam needs to bring back the dislike bar
Sigh, all the noob tears. There's plenty of low to mid level content. Having a good end game with challenging content in a game like this is vital.
theres a way to enable em
@@FendertheBender show me your Inferno with Official Jagex client, no Runelite plugins
Bro is onto nothing 🔥🔥🔥🔥
These quest bosses give me hope that Raids 4 will beat ToB in difficulty. Quest bosses are not going to be as in depth as a raid boss, but the ones from DT2 are harder than any other quest boss before them.
Awakened was a nice treat and beat my expectations.
I think thats a good enough sign for things to come.
Hope you're right Mr. Cold
Good take
Good to see some HLC members have theirs heads on
you legit said tob had little to no mechanics lmaoooo@@VallianceRS
We'll all find out in about 5 years
Unfortunately the people in your predicament are actually far rarer than you're led to believe. Anyone (including the HLC) whose main source of income isn't OSRS can just find some other way to pass their leisure time, like shows, movies, other games, hobbies, touching grass, etc. Sorry, but that's just how it goes. Millions if not billions of people play other games who become dissatisfied, so they move onto something else. I doubt the people in your situation (grossly discontent with the game while being "forced" to play it because it's your main source of income) even number in the triple digits.
Should Jagex make more difficult content for aspirational players? Absolutely! Should Jagex spend precious dev time to make content multiple times per year that will satisfy people who've mastered this game after playing it for tens of thousands of hours, and also they play the-game as a full time job, and can't do anything else because their livelihood depends on it, and by the way it has to fit this specific definition of difficulty, and it also has to be this specific definition of fun, because otherwise they won't be satisfied? I am not as convinced.
It's kind of ironic that you're using Woox as an example of someone who quit because there's not enough hard content, when the reality is Woox just moved on with his life. He's a full time programmer. He's on a career path that will be stable for the rest of his life. OSRS is what he does in his free time. There's plenty of hard content that Woox hasn't even touched since he stopped streaming regularly. Perhaps the epiphany that you should've came to after 13,000 hours of doing something with zero transferable skills and zero resume building isn't to beg Jagex to make more content aimed towards you. Perhaps it should've been "it's time to move on."
This could be the one and only comment in response to the video, and it would be all we need; it's perfect. Hope the OP is able to take this to heart.
Top tier response. Fuck Gnomletist and everyone who looks like him.
Life is bigger than OSRS. This is the wisest comment i've read, written so eloquently and concisely. @Gnomonkey please read this, perspective is so critical.
best take i’ve seen. life isn’t just about video games, it’s not going to teach you life skills to be successful in the real world. move on, start a family, learn a new hobby, travel the world. there’s so much to do then play osrs
Lmfao at full time programmer being a stable career path. ChatGPT is replacing 95% of programmers as we speak, and there are no stable career paths in this new world. Woox is missing a huge business opportunity to earn millions of dollars because he would rather *program* than play this game - that's not something a game should aspire to, that's just poor business on Jagex's part.
I feel like your testimonials are not really ''from all players and all skill levels'' and feel cherry picked, for the rest your video is right, also i feel jagex went the right way with awakened bosses for HLC but the problem is when something becomes so hard only HLC can complete it then its dead content for majority of players. and this means that they wont even try it. so jagex sees it as wasted time.
he rest of his video is not write hes wrong on everything in the rs3 section like the risk and reward mechanic for telos is broken the best way to make money is high enrage claims where you risk nothing
This should be an eye opening moment for anyone who is a part of the “high level community.” Going by Gnomonkey’s crystalmath labs/wiseoldman stats he didn’t really start playing until October 2020. On Jan 31st, 2021 the account reached max total. The account sits at 566 days played since 2020. That’s absurd. I’ve been playing since release in 2013 and have only recently crossed 200 days played. Gnomonkey does make valid points for those that play to his extreme, but all games were not designed for anyone to play for 8 hours straight for years. Just to put Gnomonkey’s game time into perspective, he averages 40 hours a week if we treat RuneScape like a job M-F. I started working my current Job when he started playing seriously, and he’s damn near beat my for time spent at work. He did that shit for free-99. I cannot fathom what his Rs3 stats/time look like. Gnomonkey and others like him are literally playing a different game.
insane 40 hours a week probably is closer to 50 the way he plays. Hes playing a different game then everyone else
Playing the game? Ha. He's living it.
The game is in a very healthy state, your looking at it through an addicts eyes, you nearly have 600 days played thats almost the equivalent of 7 years on the job experience (using a 40hr work week) you should be extremely skilled in everything you do in this game and you are, im not sure what else you want from the game as it seems as though you think the leviathan is a great fight but wont do it because you dont make enough money? Yet you have an almost infinite amount of money? The entitlement you have is unreal and what you want is unrealistic
oof... i got very similar hours in this game and i wouldnt say im the "best" out of the bunch lol
TIL asking harder content to be better rewarding is “unrealistic”
He just spent 30 minutes explaining what he wants.
@@downfromthereeefters He explained he wants more end game content, he didn't explain how. Make all these bosses 1/2 faster? 2 bosses at once? More loot? Nothing will satisfy him.
i did the bosses in void with d scim, reg trident, dds - post quest and not once thought i needed max gear :3 nor do i have "thousands of hours" i have a wife, 4 kids and a 60 hr a week job.
be less lazy
proof is on my channel.
Someone like B0aty enjoys all type of content that's a true game fan
never seen someone cry so much over a skilling update joined some stream when you were doing Nex you play the game as a job of course you will do everything and get bored of it so much of lower to mid part game is old and outdated make sense they update the older parts.
200% this. Guy is a fkn crybaby because the game isn't made exactly for him after playing 50 hrs a day for his entire life
But B0aty would kill to see another content like inferno come to the game
dude, learn how to write
@@yazan774 A lot of people would. It takes a special kind of person to make a video like this though.
"Nylocas is the best raid boss in the game" - I don't even know where to begin with that.
wish i could have those minutes of life back...
Are you sure playing 12 hours a day as a job hasnt just made you jaded?
it has
thats the problem with them, they play was too much and nothing is exciting anymore.
These people play 12 hours a day for 2 weeks then claim the content is boring whereas for the average player with jobs that aren’t streaming, it takes months to get to that amount of content gameplay
Yet only one of these 2 segments is having the attention from the game devs. Look, friends, I am in no way good at the game but I have a lot of respect for people that put in time & effort to master a skill.
Lads like him are cracking the code and bringing the knowledge to the player base (free of charge, mind you).
The fact that the game doesn't pose that much of a challenge should concerns everyone.
Master players bring attention to the game, upping the user base. They are in most cases willing to teach (Gnomonkey being a prime example, check the vods).
There is room for everyone and it is undeniable that Jagex had prioritized the low and med lvl community.
To finish my argument, that segment of the player did deserve some love, I think ToA is a great addition as the "learner raid" but that one calendar/diagram said it all - there have probably been 20 times more updates for novice/intermediate players than there's been to expert/masters.
Try playing a game that you love but does not give you anything for 5 years...
They’re not going to make a raid for 5% of the player base.
Top .01% of the playerbase complaining that the game isn't hard enough and the devs should cater to them over the actual majority playerbase.
It's not even ethical to create content that keeps these people playing the game. They need to break their addiction or seek some kind of help man. The minutia and petty gripes revealed in this video are exactly what youd expect from someone who is hopelessly addicted to something
These same 0.1% who are good enough to never have to pay for membership or give any money to jagex ever lol. Why would they cater to essentially freeloaders?
@@navi6463 Bad argument unfortunately. Them driving a demand for bonds gets people to purchase more to sell.
@@navi6463 think you are failing to understand how bonds work here
lmao what
“ I’m to good at RuneScape so please make things harder for specifically me and not 99.9 percent of the other player base “
Completely valid comment.
When games cater to high level players, the game suffers. We see this time and time again. The most hardcore aspect of OSRS is the time requirement. I’m thankful Jagex is ignoring people with ridiculous expectations.
Couldn’t agree more. Yes, these high level players stream, make vids, and are popular in the community because they’re entertaining to watch but 99% of the community isn’t capable of playing at this skill level. It’s just a small vocal minority that has a platform. If jagex catered to the top 1% with every update they’d have no player base.
I agree. I think most players are mid tier and don't enjoy the end-game content. To me, I find it too stressful and draining, and that's not why I play games. I play games to relax and enjoy myself, not to beat world records or rage when I die becase I got nothing better to do.
@adriant240 are you short of content in the game that isn't stressful? Like you can max, collect a lot of the pets and then start going for collection logs without ever having to do anything high pressure or difficult
Man who plays Runescape as a job surprised that he's better than a lot of players, news at 11. Get a grip, dude. Try not using 100 Runelite plugins next time, if you want some difficulty lmao
If you suck at playing a point and click game maybe you shouldn’t get to decide what updates come out
He’s a narcissist
@@darren6111 Braindead take
i swear nobody cries more than players who play this game 16 hours a day
This legit got me mad if i had the time and this game was my main job and i mastered every piece of hard content in this game and there was nothing that would satisfied that crave i would move to another game.
yeah its sad lol
No kidding. It would be a hopeless endeavor to try and please them, as well. Hearing him reminisce about his childhood days and how it used to be so much better back then really ought to show that this is a mental issue for him, not an actual problem with the game. It results from having wasted over 1000 days of your life on a game and burning out on it, with no one to blame but yourself..so they blame the creators...
He has genuine points but just like aaty he's ignorant at like how much time they actually sit and play the freaking game we would all be beasts if we played the game 18 hours a day lol
@@EmperorOnyx8 That's not how that works. You move to another game, your viewer-base dies. He is in a job that he can't leave with bad middle and upper management.
Please Jagex, don’t listen to this video
Woox gone because of lack of content?😂😂😂 He is gone because he got a REAL good paying IT job.
Get a grip on reality, holy smokes..
Bro what, Woox averages 10k viewers on Twitch, that's equivalent to earning $2.5 million USD annually. Do you legitimately think his IT job pays more than that? The end game content is so boring that Woox finds coding more interesting. Pathetic.
@@ZealotTF2 Do you realise Runescape is just a game and doesnt bring longterm happiness?
@@invictus4807and will inevitably become defunct
@@ZealotTF2 How deep in your ass did you have to reach to pull 2.5 million USD out of there?
@@ZealotTF2woox gets that because it’s a rare occurrence that he streams. He only streams new content for a few days then random one off streams. Woox has mastered RuneScape in all aspects therefore it’s boring to play still for him.
I get his point but not all of us are fully maxed mains with billions of GP. Having BIS for every boss hitting max dps would also make things feel dull
You don't get his point. If getting BIS is the point of the game you might as well quit before you get there since there's no point in playing after that progression. Progression doesn't only happen in gear, otherwise this would functionally be a cookie clicker game.
Having max DPS doesnt make you play better and doesnt auto-complete content
Actually for a lot of content it does. See anything where Twisted or Shadow as BIS, vs not having them. They really do just auto-kill a lot of bosses. Tbh they need to be nerfed to scythe level.
nothing more boring in this game than having everything you need lol
@@JohnSmith-rr3jt they're incentives for gigawhales to get them with bonds
I’m failing to understand how the awakened bosses arent hlc? Mid level community can never even dream of defeating them?
Because it doesn’t appease the members of his 50 person circlejerk discord server
The perception that high level is one step up from mid level is the issue you're having here, mid level players would struggle with door-altar GWD or learn CG but that's like upper mid level content when you compare it to optimized ToB.
You didnt watch the video, a good chunk of the video is gushing over Leviathan
Then ew bosses arent even Inferno level hard
@@SoldierXfreedom Retail WoW used to cater to the circle jerk discord raiding groups for two expansions straight and throughout that, the game died HARD. The sexual harassment scandal was the cherry on the cake for the shitshow that was the game. Now they are stepping away from that philosophy with Dragonflight and hopefully future expansions learning from their mistake of catering to NEETs. OSRS is doing good by not repeating that mistake.
Gnomonkey never fails to give me a good laugh
I mostly played rs3 got bored with content tried osrs was a lot of fun but content was too easy got inferno cape and completed toa log and beat the new dt2 content I feel like maybe it's lack of buttons that are pressed I love the mechanics but I feel like I am just using about half the apm I use in rs3 if not less if you are familiar with a keyboard and played any mmorpgs osrs has to be considered the easiest MMO nothing wrong with that but I can see why this guy is upset.
idk people who call it inferno cape usually didn't achieve it on their own@@domreto5055
I do think the amount of attention the awakened bosses got on day of release will give them confidence to do something similar in the future. Between Synq, aaty and noobtype there was like 20k people watching them race for blood torva and it was really fun
For someone who has such a high IQ and understanding of this game, how can you not understand that the game isn’t made for the 0.1% and neither is new content. Honestly mind blowing that you can’t comprehend that and want the game to be made just for you
i did the bosses in void with d scim, reg trident, dds - post quest and not once thought i needed max gear :3 nor do i have "thousands of hours" i have a wife, 4 kids and a 60 hr a week job.
be less lazy
proof is on my channel.
Burgerchatting
game will only earn real money from casual players paying for membership. On the other hand, content creators attract players. But the sweats who do not contribute with IRL cash will never be the ones that support the company, and thus not important to do business with.
He isnt expecting every update to be for the sweats, just some updates
@@Iloinen_pingu nothing wrong with expecting. i just think, the company calculates what is the most profitable way for them to get profits, and choose themselves where to add resources and time.
Here’s a thought. Maybe don’t invest over 13,000 hours into one game and then wonder why you’re bored.
exactly, with rs3 included the guy has spent around 3 years of his life playing this game, very unhealthy
@@TobQuevedoyou’re on his video in the comment section. Also unhealthy
@@thekrakenguy6962copium
@@thekrakenguy6962 L take
@@thekrakenguy6962 30 minutes (being generous) of watch time + a few mins in the comments to get some laughs is nowhere near the amount of brain and body rot playing this game full time every day 6 days a week has been to this guy.
if they make insane bosses that are lucrative it will be farmed by about 10 players
I don't think they need to be lucrative - look at how much people do inferno. You probably don't break even there even if you kill zuk every time
But gnomemonkeys point is that there is no point to doing awakened leviathan because there’s no drops…. Then why does he do inferno? Such a hypocrite
@@wengeance8962 doesnt inferno give the best cape in the game? lol. thats why you do it. Its a one and done thing my guy, such as awakened bosses. Awakened bosses have a better loot chance for uniques tho so there is incentive actually
@@wengeance8962 correct. You do not need a massive pay-out the other end for every single content. this creates power creep and destroys existing content. you play it, because it is interesting, you do it because you find that training method enjoyable. These end game players have 2000Bill gold and nothing to spend it on, they are sitting on mountains of wealth and have no reason to keep doing the same thing that everyone else is doing : the end game raids. What happens is they just have a ton of good gear they farmed from content they no longer need to do on the assumption that a later update will come out that they can then fund the fastest 99 on or can fund the supplies for. it's been happening years and I have watched it and tried to warn many, now I sit back laugh and enjoy my HC path through the game and watch as people devolve into fools all trying to make it sound as if having a bank tab worth X trillion as some sort of achievement.
10 players and 1000 bots.
"A big chunk of the player base feels disregarded and neglected"
*Checks notes*
Much less than 1% of the community is affected by what they're complaining about.
people like him tire me, on one hand they complaine when we get too many updates and then they will bitch about it when we get less.
It’s literally Autumn Elegy all over again. Complains about all the updates because they don’t cater to his play style. Then asks the game to be specifically modified (Zuk tasks) specifically for him. I can understand not liking updates, but shitting on updates because they don’t cater to you is unfair and makes you seem ignorant
I mean 1% is a lot of people in the grand scheme of things when 75% of this playerbase are bots.
This guy literally represents probably 0.01%-0.05% of the playerbase. Only 0.17% of monthly mems userbase has an infernal cape
I commented the same exact thing. The game doesnt survive because only the less than 1% of the playerbase subscribes. Also the average player is struggling on most bosses. They arent too easy, the less than 1% thats complaining just have enough gold/resources to have the best gear to trivialize all content. Try playing an ironman or something. /thread
I can agree with some points, like ofc there should be hard content in the game because people are getting better at the game overtime and the updates shouldn't go live with tons of bugs.
But updates that are targeted at only the very high skill community would be out of reach for 95-99% of the players.
I can already say for certain that most people will never even get close to GM because of the insane amount of diffucult and group requirements.
There should be things in the game that are out of reach. It doesn't have to be everything but we deserve the occasional aspirational boss. Nobody is entitled to every piece of content, this game houses many communities and playstyles and each of them are valid.
Inferno has been out for years and still only has 60K completions of which about 45-50K are bought capes. That tells you all you need to know
This 100%@@saxerpillar5128
@@bjorn3740source on bought cape rates? Or Chatting
Completely Agreed! osrs community is like a normal bell curve distribution. The majority of players are med level and nowhere even near a 2000 total level. I'd say over half the playerbase has never attempted a raid either. Catering to that top 1% just cause they complain on reddit is ridiculous especially from a business perspective.
Honestly "completing" osrs should be more realized than "quiting". At some point you peeked at the highest level of pvm. You maxed, you have every piece of end game gear. Maybe it's time to move on to new adventures. You beat the game.
But he cant pk for shit and is afraid to even enter that aspect of the game, instead complaining to the creators of the game to make updates designed for him. Lol.
@@tubby1782 Or, unlike every other MMO, jagex is failing to install hard-to-reach, bleeding edge PvM challenges for skilled players to express their game knowledge. But what would you know about that xD. Every new piece of powerful gear undermines the already easy content in the game. It isn't time for him to move on, it's time for jagex to raise the bar. End game content is not meant to be achievable to the masses. That makes it mid-game.
@@coryp6868 Agree but at the same time i dont really give a fuck
@tubby1782 so to recap, gnome is correct and you just wanted to vent some of that cynical angst and partake in the echo chamber of ignorance. Aite
@@coryp6868 Wrong. I am oblivious to the echo chamber of ignorance you speak of as i have only read a few of the top comments on this video for humor purposes and am largely out of touch with the greater community's reception of this video and topic in general. But i am retarded
And suddenly I understand why RS2 devs thought it was important to implement Evolution of Combat. There is only so much you can squeeze into the legacy tick system in a point and click game.
People seemingly forget this. OSRS combat is extremely limited in what you can do mechanic wise. There's a reason the hardest challenges come down to how fast you can switch prayers and click to move.
@@RockBandRS Honestly, they can still do more (and they are), I thought Vardovis tentacle mechanics where you click on the screen were pretty new tbh. As well as the running NPCs, I mean they could add that into a boss and I'm sure they can implement Arraxor's dodging mechanics into OSRS too. I don't necessarily think its current system is a problem. They can still make hard content.
@@RockBandRSthey could easily produce a inferno type of content or tob type of raid where a dead would punish you quickly forcing the difficulty they just dont cause majority wins (med and low lvl conmunity)
@@Guck.nicht.duOtto Likely because video games are meant to be fun lmao.
@@jakeman52 low and med lvl content is brainded and ez its like playing pokemon while your out of age most of the bosses are very simple, everyone to their own afterall but you cant decide what is fun and what isnt. TOB INFERNO and cox cm is loved by hlc and milked for 5 years out of desperation for new similair content, all of it was a succes so who are you to catogerise whats fun and what isnt... were the people who enjoy/grind and have a passion for this game and aint play it out of boredoom for 5 min on the toilet on mobile a week
Arent you the guy that uses the borderline cheat clients? Your leviathan was veeeeery impressive, you didnt even have to look at the boss!
Says he has notes from all of the levels of pvm then only reads the best of the best pvmers thoughts XD
I noticed this 🤣 this is why I feel he's being pretty arrogant that only the best of the best pvmers opinions matter
@@kylejones1532 He literally says he picked them out to show that they aren't just .1% of the playerbase. There isn't a single comment not like this in the Discord, he just picked out the ones from people who actually know what they are talking about.
@@ZealotTF2 This is a WHOOOOSH comment
Hey I quit for 6 months because I couldn’t do Galvek. There are different types of players. I’m 31 years old and have a kid, I can’t play 10 hours a day like you.
i did the bosses in void with d scim, reg trident, dds - post quest and not once thought i needed max gear :3 nor do i have "thousands of hours" i have a wife, 4 kids and a 60 hr a week job.
be less lazy
proof is on my channel.
next excuse.
Jagex are too busy planning the next pride event. Sorry.
"The game is just too easy *TISMMM*" -- Takes 8 hours longer to get blood torva than 1st place. Almost looks like he's having a stroke doing so. Super easy.
Gnomonkey, I love your content and I'm a big fan. However, I know tons of people really enjoyed DT2 and are having a fun time with the bosses. I might be something of a Jagex apologist, but like damn. They really can't win. Every update they release makes SOMEONE unhappy. I feel for them. Many people love the recent updates. Idk man. I feel this standpoint is a slight miss.
You may have missed the point of the video lol
If anyone spends 12 hours a day doing ANYTHING, of course it's going to become easy as hell after years. That isn't Jagex's fault.
This video was in the making months before the release of DT2. He appended the DT2 part. Awakened Leviathan is awesome and he gives them credit for it.
Just gnomemokey complaining.. nothing new here.
I feel like he is being pretty damn arrogant towards the community and that only him and the really high lvl community matter like I enjoy how difficult the bosses have been especially with the awakened content like heard nothing but praise from big names like a cold one aaty have all loved these awakened bosses.. I'm all for difficult content and love a challenge but he needs to see that the man doesn't work lol him and all the other sweaty nerds have no social life they live and breath on this game while normal people have a job and responsibilities and can't play 18 hours a day if we played as much as these people we would be as good as them
The take of a person who's spent 20k hours playing a game non-stop.
And I’ve said this before, a level of player who makes so much gp that they don’t have to give a cent to jagex and likely don’t. In an ideal world sure content for all, but they’re a business and from that perspective why would they focus on stuff explicitly for a group of players that doesn’t pay them lol.
idk i did the bosses in void with d scim, reg trident, dds - post quest and not once thought i needed max gear :3 nor do i have "thousands of hours" and im not a top 0.1% of the playerbase. maybe ur lazy.
@@navi6463 You are so unbelievably misinformed holy shit. You don't think bonds just magically appear out of thin air, do you?
2 bonds cost more $$ than 1 month of membership, meaning the people who use bonds for their membership are making Jagex even *more* money.
@@Kindreddityour copy paste comment makes no sense in this content lil bro
im loving how the general community is disagreeing with his takes lmao
My final take on this discussion. Jagex cannot afford to cater to 1-4% which is why they have added easy mode to TOB and TOA. I think the future lies in enrages system like RS3 use so that hardcore players can be given the challenge and noobs can players do.
There should be more insane content for you high level players but for many of us, this games content releases have been amazing and we are very happy about it. Its a tough job for jagex to try and satisfy everyone
Understandable opinion, but his point is there is no reason for four years to pass without the bar being raised. No excuse at all.
@@coryp6868 the bar was just raised last week stfu
@@coryp6868 Major excuse when most players aren't reaching the present bar it's hard to say "Make it harder"
@teach9906 what do you consider 'many'? I figured thousands and thousands clearing it meant it's time to up the ante. I guess we wait for the 8 - year, 2 hours a week grey helm fossil island accounts to catch up, you're right.
Literally everything gets polled, it’s not a touch job for jagex lol
Dam dude this is just sad to hear Gnome be so negative, when the game is in it's best state it's ever been. Shame.
1:09 Who has told you this besides trolls on the internet? It's not that your thoughts don't matter, it's that they are more subjective than you're treating them, and they might not be correct.
1:26 What do you mean the game's former glory? What days were those specifically? What does that even mean?
8:42 If we're going to look at it like that, everything is a bot ridden mess. It's a problem, but it's not worth being dramatic over.
10:43 at this point, you have so many complaints about speedrunning hard content, why not propose jagex just make speedrunning worlds for that kind of content vs just quests. Seems do-able and doesn't require all these dumb convoluted solutions like a separate task bonus that doesn't count towards anything except pet farmers who wanna do inferno. And that way you could have any kind of gear setups you wanted.
10:54 Yeah, you're dam right they did and that's a good thing. It makes woodcutting much more social because you're not competing for resources. And it makes it more afk which is GOOD. And don't come at me with that redwoods used to be 20min afk, no they weren't. You weren't sitting there for 20 mins at a time, you were sitting there for however long until you stopped chopping.
11:08 YES that is THE draw to it! A lot of people wanted it to be more group oriented, because this game is god dam lonely. Don't brush over that like it's nothing it's a big improvement.
11:21 You're not sure because you are only invested in the most niche speedrunning end game content communities. Us here back on earth appreciate the update and like it a lot.
11:25 Imagine thinking that content is "lazy, weak, and unecessary" when it doesn't apply to you AT ALL. How selfish is that dude. The feedback has been nothing but positive about forestry because it's an improvement to what was there before. You only had to take a few looks at the social media and general chatter in the game to find that out.
11:50 RS3 receives end game pvm updates constantly because it's a world of warcraft clone, like a lot of MMO's. All they have to do is copy what everyone else is doing and port it into their game, that's really easy. OSRS content is highly original, and harder to design. Not to mention OSRS has a smaller team.
13:40 You think if we didn't have polling in osrs we would have more end game content? That's ridiculous lmao. The osrs player base would gladly accept any boss or raid of any difficulty, as long as the rewards are balanced. What end game pvm content didn't pass poll at any point??
14:06 yeah you're dealing with a game that was sloppily coded over 20 years ago and probably doesn't have the resources to iron out all the spaghetti during development.
15:12 It becomes the point that you leave and take your negativity with you. Clearly the development team does the best with what they have available. The other alternative belief is that they are just sitting on their asses not worried about this stuff or the quality of the game whatsoever. And I doubt that's the case. It's not that people are ok with it, but c'mon give it a rest bud.
16:09 The raid not for you, and that's ok! You have two of the three, we'll gladly take one thank you very much.
16:11 Yeah that's right it is the raid for people getting into raids, which the game NEEDED! Having a problem with a raid because it caters to mid skill players is just gatekeeping, that's sad man. I didn't want to think that rs youtubers were like this.
17:19 This is hilarious and shows the true colors of Gnome and this community. Complaining about content that's centered around red xing. Minutes ago in this same video, your complaining about how red xing was fixed. So much so that they rioted in Falador about it. Well if you're going to advocate that hard for red x-ing being in the game, don't complain about how boring it is when content is red x-able!
How you improve is you learn how to do the invocations one by one. You learn how to handle double trouble and feeling special, aerial assault, upset stomach, insanity. And then you learn how to red x, butterfly, skull skip, wave skip, all that kind of stuff. Just because that's easy for you and doesn't involve everything being a scientific tick equation, doesn't mean it's not good for other people. In this game you have to recognize that it's alright if one measly raid isn't made for you gnome. You should accept that and be glad that there's a raid for people new to raiding.
17:24 The raid is boring - TO YOU. Because it's not content that's tailored for you. And that's ok, because two of the three raids ARE tailored to you. Quit being so selfish about it. At this point it's very clear, even if he doesn't say it explicitly, that Gnome wants all the raids content to be tailored specifically for the end game speedrunning community, and screw anyone else who doesn't appreciate giant skill gaps. Literally it's not satisfying for him, so therefore there's a problem. It's satisfying to a lot of people who aren't the most skilled player base.
18:50 Yeah whatever dude, just because the content doesn't have every mechanic imaginable all at the same time and also having to remember like 50 exact tiles in a row to stand on, then it's not hard enough and therefore it's a problem. Get over yourself. Also, the reason your drops are low gp on average, is an answer to people who didn't like the excessive resource dumping drops like tons of noted seeds/herbs/ores/all other things that make the ge prices go way down. This is the solution to that is having the drops vary in gp a lot more.
20:02 hollow update due to lack of prayers?? who wanted that god awful prayer book anyway. No one liked it from the start, and it got nerfed into just a direct upgrade of the existing prayer book, which no one wanted either. Jagex took it away because it was clear the community wasn't ready for new prayers yet, and a lot of people agreed with them. It will be explored at another time.
23:17 Wow imagine that, Gnome actually like one of the bosses and it was up to his caliber. You'd think he would take that and go home, but no. He has to complain about it, because ALL of it isn't to the caliber of awakened leviathan. This is highly selfish. The awakened content is tailored specifically for Gnome's community, and it's still not enough.
23:43 Yeah imagine if they did that, then the bosses would be a big bot fest, like you like to complain about.
24:40 Yeah but I'll say it, feedback only from your discord is heavily biased. People who are fans enough of you to be in your discord are going to be heavily influenced by your bias against easier content, and content that isn't specifically tailored to your level of difficulty.
I took a while and dissected this video because it saddens me that this is how these people feel. That just because content is made for other people that it's a problem. You have to remember that in this 5 year timespan that gets brought up in this video, you had covid happen. That took a big chunk of dev time out of the game. You also have all types of other communities that want content made for them as well. You have people calling for tons of QoL updates, which Gnome conveniently left out of his video despite A LOT of nice qol updates being brought into the game, and many more being proposed and looked into.
It's not that people think you don't matter, it's that you're not the only people who matter Gnomonkey. I hope that other content creators voice their opinions for more difficult content, without having to spit on everyone elses content in the process.
It's sad that Jagex caters to people like you who have no desire for improvement or learning. Have some self respect.
Well said
I enjoy watching Gnome, but he is so out of touch that he doesn't even seem able to comprehend just how absolutely absurd he sounds.
tldr you're wrong
i did the bosses in void with d scim, reg trident, dds - post quest and not once thought i needed max gear :3 nor do i have "thousands of hours" i have a wife, 4 kids and a 60 hr a week job.
be less lazy
proof is on my channel.
Alot of these would almost be good arguments if they werent so emotionally charged. I agree with some of what you said and some of what gno said, but you are clearly the upset one "spitting on others content" in the comments here. You really dont have to care this much about what a random youtuber says. Stop becoming so emotionally invested in a video game and other peoples opinions on said videogame.
i think its just really difficult to consistently push out content that only the 1% of the 1% will ever even attempt.
if dt2 bosses dont make the cut for "high level content" then its pretty clear youre in a league of your own and not really the target audience.
Not only that, that content is 10x as hard to make.
its not about making consistent content for the 1%, its about not getting an update for that "1%" in nearly 4 years. did we watch the same vid?
He's not asking for consistent high level content, we haven't seen an inferno/tob level piece of content since, well, inferno/tob
Not entirely true:
- Awakened Leviathan was a hard challenge for everyone and is the intensity of content we're looking for
- We don't need consistent content, just occasional content.
@@profcalculus474 The Awakened Bosses and 500+ ToA seem to be attempts at catering to those players. Even if ToA wasn't entirely successful, Insanity Wardens and Akha require movement that's far, far harder than anything short of ToB/Inferno
Man this is some of the funniest runescape content I've ever seen! Keep making this kind of comedy!
How much more high end content can they produce without ruining the game? Before we know it, there will be way too much OP gear in the game and we’ll be begging for them to release the OG 07 version again.
To be fair, people have been doing that since Dragon Slayer 2 was released, and even before that, but DS2 was where that shit started to aggressively come out. That or "oh you guys want this in the game? Guess you just wanna play RS3 again". lmfao. I get the sentiment of wanting OS to remain OS, but c'mon lol they have to add SOME stuff or the game just dies. Nostalgia only carries it so far.
we already are man, this pvm shitscape is dead already, bot bot bot bot bot and bot and lvl 70 combat who is still in the realm of gowerscape, not wokescape
Bruh, thats long gone. It waaaaaay worse than it was even pre eoc 2012 scape now.
@@michaelzyskowski2357 whut? there are a lot of real rs players who enjoys the game ;) join some communities
Harder content doesn't always need to come with power creep. They could have easily made the awakened bosses worth farming without adding anything extra
This sounds like exactly what happened to arcade/rhythm games, the most dedicated players got better and better at these games which meant the developers made the games harder and harder as that's what the most dedicated players wanted. Eventually what happened is that the majority of players stopped playing these games since the makers seemed only interested in pleasing that small community of hardcore players.
The only reason this didn't kill those games in some regions is because those dedicated hardcore players also ended up spending a ton of money on playing these games. This is not how OSRS works, with the way that subscription and bonds work it's the total opposite, where the most dedicated players end up in a position where they don't have to spend any money on the game at all. Since RS3 has microtransactions and lootboxes as their main money maker so they can still see actual benefit from making content focusing on their most dedicated players.
First..!
Yes the cash cow is 95-99% of the player base. Its only natural that the updates cater to 95-99% of the players.
Its just business.
@@henrikn55the cash cow i bond buyers. Having more bosses and more gear, means more reason to buy bonds
@@henrikn55 The problem with this is the 95-99% player base closely monitors the 1-5% player base (whether that be on twitch, youtube, twitter, discord, in-game, frontpage, etc.), oftentimes striving to be the 1-5%. This inspires drive and motivation to play and learn more - become invested (aka long-term). It also allows the 1-5% to create content for the 95-99%. No one wants to watch casual content without a very expressive personality overshadowing 99%+ of the content. Even with that personality crutch, the content blows. If you're there for the personality only, then the game is irrelevant = longevity is out the window.
This applies to just about any mass-appeal game in the last decade.
@@blurryface9910 True, but still. The top 1-5% players never buy membership through irl cash. They buy it through in-game gp to get bonds.
Essentially Jagex dont gain anything from the top 1-5%
> We rioted and got Red X Back YAY!
> Using Red X on Baba is bad Boo!
Maybe if Red X wasn't brought back they would have had to make changes to Baba. Instead we're stuck with having to use Red X, because that was a "mechanic" that people wanted so badly.
Edit:
>There are only 12 people on quest speed running worlds. Why even make them?
>Please make content hard enough for me and the high level community to farm into oblivion while being the best gp/hr in the game because we take risks.
Shaming a piece of content created for a niche community yet you are advocating for content for a different niche community.
Baba red x being the best method for high level invo TOAs doesn't mean they have to disable red x everywhere. That would break many established methods both mains and mid level irons use at GWD and other bosses. You're missing the point of the video, red-xing will always be more safe, but that doesn't mean Jagex can't introduce real mechanics into the room through hotfixes or creative invocations.
Talking about making the high level content like Levi good gp/hr benefits anyone grinding the regular bosses by keeping orbs in high demand. That was also only one point of the video, plenty of the top streams on twitch are high level PVM content streams. It's good for the game for these streamers to have more to do than speed run the same content from 4 years ago. He's not asking for all of the updates to be this either.
Baba was just going to be impossible on high raid invocations instead, TOA is really unpolished and needs some love.
@@joekelley6253 Ironmen did GWD before red X was discioered, the only thing it introducced is a way to cheeze what was previuosly a long grind into a sligthly less long grind (red X was a mistake)
I generally think enraging mechanics for a boss would be a good replacement here. I'm a mid-level PvMer, and I'd be happy getting my loot after each Kc, but if you're able to increase the difficulty and increase your reward fair play to you! I think that's the most balance to remain accessible to most players but also appeal to high-level pvm-ers/ They also have tons of bosses to set a foundation with if they truly made more hard mode variants/ or revisited them.
yeah im honestly confused why they made the loot on woke bosses barely better than the normal versions', seems a huge wasted opportunity; we *know* the devs are taking inspiration from PoE, and a boss dropping a key to a harder, more profitable encounter is a system that is used a lot in PoE and works very well, so I really dont understand why they wouldn't just do the same thing. We can only hope they are open to the idea but just wanted to be careful and test the waters first, and that we'll actually see such a system in a later piece of content down the line.
@@bobmathrotus1474 PoE is exactly what I thought of when I learned about the awakened system. It blows my mind that they didn't make the awakened bosses worth farming
Brother, you are clearly seriously burnt. Please take a break and do something other than OSRS, it will do you a lot of good.
I am all for new HLC. But saying that new content isn’t worth it unless it provides good enough rewards isn’t it. If we actually want a challenge, the point is that the challenge is its own reward. If we as high level players aren’t willing to do challenging content without new BiS meta stuff as a reward, then HLC will never be added for fear of power creep. And if players won’t do HLC without a reward, that means we actually don’t give a crap about the challenge, just about the rewards.
Furthermore, OSRS is a sandbox game. When I get bored of HLC and no longer find it challenging, I can literally do anything else. I get to change my gear, my restrictions, and anything else to give myself a challenge if I want it. Going into new content with max meta gear and finding it dull isn’t surprising, it’s literally the point. We get to completely control the experience we have with a boss by restricting ourselves. If you choose to play the game on easy mode with max meta gear, don’t be surprised when the game is easy.
This is critically important because it is what separates OSRS from other modern games and is the reason so many people love it. There are countless games out there where you can be challenged to the max with a new content drop every month that comes with new gear that then makes that content easy until the next season when the next boss drops and you have to get the new gear to stay on meta. It’s a shitty, fomo-based way of keeping people hooked and extracting the most profit from them. If Jagex was interested in maximizing profit at the expense of players, they would do exactly that. New content all the time that’s increasingly harder to force players to either play more or pay more. OSRS is the antithesis of this, and it needs to stay that way. Gear and powers should be simple and easy to understand. Bosses should be reasonably learnable by newer players without them feeling obligated to pay to win. And high level players should be given the opportunity to make their own challenges, not just sit and wait for whatever profit-driven sludge the developers push out. OSRS has avoided all this so far, largely because of the community’s paranoia that it will turn into RS3. This isn’t something high level players should resent, we should celebrate it, and we should lend our voices to it. We also need to remember that we can play other games if we don’t enjoy RS at the moment. If we want something new and challenging, we can go play something new and challenging. We don’t have to demand that the game change for us, we can just do something else and come back when we’re no longer bored.
With all this said, you also need to understand they you personally are definitely not ignored. You have Jmods in your stream talking about new content and listening directly to your ideas. You absolutely get preferential treatment, so saying that you are ignored does not come off well, and it especially comes across as obtuse when you basically say that absolutely well-designed, thoughtful, and not profit-driven new content that doesn’t fit your play style really shouldn’t have been released in favor of something that you want. Furthermore, your words absolutely carry disproportionate weight, and could definitely influence Jmods and more importantly company leadership into thinking that OSRS would be better off following the modern MMO/gatcha difficulty curve. Instead, just don’t do something if you don’t enjoy it, and play something else you still enjoy. RS will hopefully still be here and unsullied when you get back.
we in the best part of osrs bro
Gnomonkey: "People will disagree with my opinion"
Also gnomonkey: "People actually liked it... For some reason... ('But screw their opinions'-inferred)"
Its not what your saying. Its how your saying it. You and every other high efficient tick perfect player who makes a "medieval clicker game you open on your lunch break" their personality. Its never can we get something? Its always hating and downvoting anything meant to make the game more approachable.
Let the casual players have content. Ask for your own, dont shit talk and degrade and devalue the majority player base.
Its not ez scape. Its people have lives and this is a huge waste of time video game. Lets all waste a little less time and get to fun content faster. That includes kc achievable bosses with minimal mechanics that teach new players.
The duke is a prime example. I gurantee any player with stats to equip arklight can get kc.
This comment will probably be lost on him, i doubt he is even reading these. Not a single reply or heart. He doesn't care and is ironically ignoring the player base and HIS fans. It isn't just tutorials dude. I used to genuinely like watching your content. But hot damn, why you gotta be like this.
We need more updates for MID level players. The game is ONLY High level content. There is barely any mid level content.
What you fail to realise is that most of the people who play the game are people who go to work 9->5, have families, friends and other hobbies etc. These are the majority of players. These players are not interested/simply don't have time to learn complex impossible mechanics that streamers/degens like you who play the game full time have. These players also want to feel the enjoyment of being able to "complete" the game in a sense. The Inferno is something that took me months to complete with countless hours drained into it. This is not something that most people with a normal life (pretty much the entire player base) are interested in doing or even can do. And since these people are the majority of the player base, it's only logical that Jagex designs updates around what they prefer.
Since you're a small minority of the player base, you should expect to get updates that cater to you proportional to your sub-community's size in the community. Once every five years doesn't seem too illogical to me. To the rest of us, these updates (Inferno etc...) feel more like a chore than anything else.
While i agree with you on your take on the DT2 bosses just hitting a lot making it very frustrating to kill them, i strongly disagree with you on your take on TOA. I believe that TOA is a perfect example of what a raid should be. I got into TOA, learning it slowly and progressively adding on more invocations making it harder and more interesting for me. And i've managed to start getting myself into high end invo groups while having fun throughout the entire journey (and this process took months). On the other hand, learning TOB was a nightmare. Having to deal with people gatekeeping the raid, requiring ppl to have kc to join through WDR or whatever, and having to find someone willing to boost you for the first couple of KCs so that people can start considering bringing you with them to learner raids is not how learning a raid should be. Not all of us are streamers like you who have pro-player degen opportunists lined up willing to boost you just so they can be on your stream and get some clout.
Something else i would like to mention is the characterization by streamers that Jagex aren't listening to the community and that they just close their ears etc... Jagex is a company and they're not stupid. Listening to their player base earns them money, especially since they don't have MTX in the game. You claiming they're just running the game into the ground for no reason just because they're stupid or they hate the player base is absolutely ludicrous. Just absolute nonsense.
In conclusion, what you're doing is claiming that all of us (the majority) have the same problems as a streamer who does this full time. And trust me, we don't.
As a skiller I appreciate forestry, gotr updates. I feel like skillers are constantly ignored and I appreciate jagex for their focus shift lately. Pvmers have had countless updates over the years, it’s our time. Relax
Forestry was dog water and should be better.
yes, pointing out that click tree on ground is full of bots needs to be relaxed about LMAO clown.
@@Cat_vs_Jad Forestry was fine as is and a part 2 is inbound.
Gotr and Forestry are both very boring pieces of content, that is worse than just training the skills normally
Yep. The “HLC” bitching about no updates then ragging on forestry is so incredibly rich I can’t even
Am I so out of touch....?
No, it's the playerbase who is wrong.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm so happy I haven't reached true endgame yet, man I love Osrs
Same. Will I ever quit? Probably not
Typical video from a player who's maxed and plays 16 hours a day
The thing is that, most people cannot play the game for 50+ hours a week consistently. If content requires hundreds of hours and billions of gp to sink into before you can start having a chance of it being worth while, most people just won't do it because they don't have the time to learn it. And while the highest level players shouldn't be ignored, they're still a significent minority.
ToA works as a stepping stone because it allows players to transition at a gradual pace instead of something like ToB where you have to find a group of people willing to spend large amounts of time and money to teach you how to do it
Given enough time any playerbase will optimize fun out of the game, if all you seek is a fun challenge then you can try some things without using the best gear in the game and unintentional but approved mechanics to avoid all damage.
Also lets be honest, there's only so much depth a point and click game can give before the dept amounts to the same depth as Trade Server Sniper has: "Click faster and more accurate"
This isn't a pleae for the high level community. This is a pleae for speedrunners.
no its a plea for both lol get good
@@jigglemahnut6493 *pleae
@@jigglemahnut6493no its a plea for gnomonkey the crybaby
@@jigglemahnut6493 "get good"? You mean "get like the 7 speed runners that exist and the guys in max gear farming COX all day just to complain that they do nothing but farm COX in max gear all day instead of going the fuck outside"
> says I can count the only good ca's on one hand
> proceeds to not say any of them
Enjoy your awakened boss content that was made specifically for you!
They’re all easy asf lol
@jigglemahnut6493 not as easy as your mom
guy who speed runs a game that was never designed to be speed ran complains its not optimized for speed running
After seeing cox and tob in b2b years I wonder if they don’t release things like that often to avoid having to bring in new game breaking rewards. I wouldn’t be against new hard challenges that have ultra rares equal to other challenges that are cosmetically different. That way we can chose what we want to grind based on what challenges we want or what we want our rewards to look like.
Great points I agree 👍 💯
It honestly could be. It becomes really hard to avoid power creep if you have to release the new tbow/scythe into the game every year. I've even seen quite a lot people complain that the DT2 bosses are too hard for the loot they drop. And I don't think they should fix that by just making every boss drop 5m/h in alchs.
@@Muistimetalli agreed. best in slot items should be enough incentive to camp them and not having a vorkath-esque drop table will probably help the uniques hold value.
you mention leviathan being the best release since toa; however as i’m colourblind, it’s comepletely off limits for me, i cannot tell the difference between range and melee attack. i’ve seen lots of complaints of reddit/twitter about this, and jagex have not replied or changed it
I think the symbol in the middle of the orb is different if that helps at all? But yeah that's definitely a problem, hopefully they do something about it. They could change the attacks to be much more distinctive and maybe add a clearer game sound.
@@DuncanHarbison i never even noticed that to be honest, but with so much happening i don’t have the time to closely look at the symbol inside the orb
im guessing the colorblind options in the gpu plugin dont help?
@@birdbrid9391 not at all, most games have ‘colourblind’ options, but in my experience none of them help, in most cases make things worse
"Hey Jagex i know I'm in the 0.0001% of the game population but can you please please change the game to suit my incredibly small community that may or may not turn away a larger population of the game?" Yeah, isn't gonna happen man. You mentioning how easy the inferno achievements are really hammers home how out of touch you are with 95% of the games player base
idk I'm happy with how the game is at the moment
Same. He just plays 16 hrs a day and is burned out. For the average to slightly above player the game is in the best place it has ever been. There is so much to do.
He just needs to do other shit instead of demanding more content after playing so much lol. Like other games or just play less
@@bjorn3740 Exactly! I don't know how anyone can complain about the amount of content, unless you no life at this game
I'm so tired of the elitist community
The fact he referred to himself as a “beacon of inspiration” is the most cringe shit I’ve ever heard 😂💀
@@RDB33S tier level corn ball activity
@RDB33 Can I get a timestamp for that? That's actually hilarious, but I missed it
Big L
@@CRobbio2:52 He doesn't say HE is a beacon of inspiration though. He says the high level community is.
There won't ever be another raid that feels like how tob did on release. The playerbase as a whole has advanced a ton since then. The only way you're going to get a raid that feels that way to you is if they made something that only a couple hundred people can do, which they aren't going to release. I appreciate that this is just your personal perspective and not an objective view of how the game would be best for everyone, but you need to be reasonable and understand that they aren't going to target content releases to the .01%
Raids 3 wasnt even close to an attempt like they released tob, the challenge was gone with unlimited deaths and storymode practise on release day not to mention the overpowered ambrosias/yellow keris and the most braindead time of rooms like kephir/zebak, warden p1, compare this to tob and your lying to yourself they even attempted it to be endgame... its def possible to do a raid like it or a new inferno, they just dont want it to be in the game...
@@Guck.nicht.duOttoi dont think 500 invocation for ToA is that easy
I don't think this video went the way you thought
if your crying about content not being difficult enough just quit the game, not everyone can do high level content your just being selfish.. you can make the game harder just use lower level gear, anyways there's plenty of other games you can play the game doesn't cater for you alone, your just attention seeking give it a rest.
You are the top .1% of the player base skill wise, whining for things to be the way you want to be to cater to you lmao
If jagex took this route it would be no good for the majority of the player base, I’ve seen it happen in other games before like overwatch (fps but the idea is the same.) blizzard got so hung up on balancing and catering the game for the tiny tiny amount of players in overwatch league that they sapped the fun out of it for “normies”. Overwatch 2 is the extreme culmination of that lol, game sucks now. Please don’t do this to RuneScape jagex. Sure, they need new content but don’t cater it to such a small pop
sounds like an ironman
i did the bosses in void with d scim, reg trident, dds - post quest and not once thought i needed max gear :3 nor do i have "thousands of hours" i have a wife, 4 kids and a 60 hr a week job.
be less lazy
proof is on my channel.
bank stand in 330 less@@navi6463
@@navi6463 They absolutely did not, have you ever played Overwatch? They ended up making Mercy, the easiest character in the game so strong she was a must-pick in every scenario, and not only that she was better at DPS and tanking than classes made for those roles, they left her that way for 6.5 months and most of the player base quit. Instead they went with a system that changed which characters are best every 2 months like League of Legends, making other characters completely unplayable to cater to casuals. Swapping characters is a large portion of the skill in a game like Overwatch and you're making things up that never happened. Overwatch died because it's a skillless game for mindless hacks.
You'll be happy to know Jagex is adding a new skill next month. Its called Touch Grass. Lets see how fast you can unlock Bamboo
Dear Lord, what a sad little life, Gnomonkey. You ruined my night, completely, so you could have the money, but I hope now you spend it on getting some lessons in grace and decorum because you have all the grace of a reversing dump truck without any tyres on.
Here's an idea, turn off runelite, difficulty automatically just went up.
Seriously. If he’s hurting so bad for a challenge, max an account without using Runelite
@@crashby96 BUT ITS INEFFICIENT you can hear him scream in the distance.
Lmao wtf is this, the state of the game is great. This sounds like the rant of a chronically online individual
“I have 2 accounts with GM combat achievements”
Go outside little buddy.
You are seriously out of touch with reality. This video has caused independent reddit posts in response and shows that you only share this opinion with a few individuals (which you carefully selected in the later half of your video through a "general poll"). I genuinely agree with some of your QOL fixes and hope you get them. The issue with this video is that the DT2 content released is fantastic for 99.99% of the player base. They even threw elite PVMers a bone with the blood Torva and you openly admit that the awakened Leviathan was difficult content (ultimately contradicting yourself). I genuinely think that you are blinkered by the people you interact with on a daily basis. Unfortunately, despite you being incredibly good at the game your individual opinion means just as much as anyone else. You don't see votes in politics being weighted by intelligence do you? Why should anyone at Jagex cater specifically to you and your 10 friends just because you are good at speed running?
TLDR; You lost me the moment you mentioned reddit and I read nothing else.
He banned me in his discord after 3 comments i made.
you have to also understand that THIS IS THE REASON WHY EOC HAPPENED the way OSRS is designed has its limits on mechanics and skill cap especially for raids/bosses etc, thats the whole reason why jagex changed the combat in RS3 because it opens up more options to add different mechanics to bosses etc
Not true. Spend a while thinking creatively about designing an osrs boss. It's easy to come up with difficult, unique concepts within the limits of the current game.
Exactly. He complains that rs3 has so many more complex bosses but EOC is the only reason that can even happen, and we all remember how 90% of the playerbase left after EOC.
@@abee127Explain a challenging new boss as an example that raids or dt2 hasn't already done.
@@larryw5533 here's an entire raid concept including rewards - no EoC required.
th-cam.com/video/GH75HSxka88/w-d-xo.html
@@larryw5533 probably needs to be more teamplay focused mechanics, more memory focused mechanics, more 1t flicking like enrage levi, more gear swapping and layering multiple mechanics at the same time, more 1 hit punishing and team wipe mechs like nylo pillar etc
This is why you do not donate money to streamers. These games were never designed to have some neckbeard or scrub playing 24/7 getting his rent paid by other lonely neckbeards. Gaming would be perfect without streamers.
brilliantly said
after coming from RS3 which has so many big challenges for players to reach (Zammy 100%+, HM Zuk, Telos 100%+)
it's astounding how little of this exists in OSRS. they've made the same mistakes as RS3, like polluting drop tables with alchables leading to massive inflation and devaluing skilling
but the content itself is not fun or challenging
This is arguably one of the best updates to date. Bosses do not lack mechanical depth with the addition of the awakened versions. The update appeals to the vast majority of players, whether casual or not. People really are just never satisfied are they
Yeah I like monkey love his guides and streams but I feel he's being abit of arrogant knob here and wants everything just the way he and the other sweaty nerds want it to be like he legit picked out 3 of the most greasy dirty no lifers out of discord and showed us what they thought oh he has 70 minute solo HMT yeah he probably pisses In a bottle and spends 20 hours a day playing RuneScape.. it's not a flex 🤣 I'm decent at the game 500+ hours but that's spread over many many years and people say I'm a elitist they clearly haven't seen these guys
duke, a joke. whisper bugged. vardovis 2 mechanics. levi good. Horrible quest. Duke drops the best ring. one of the best updates to date? no. not to mention, literally no one is happy with this "anti-dry" mechanic.
He asked for a simple drop tweak on this update on the awakened versions. Do you think this whole video was in response to DT2? Do you have any idea how much time it takes to create a highly-edited video like this?
@@saratonein6851 you've got expectations that are clearly too high if you expect such a large content patch to go live flawlessly. Allow jagex some time to hear and consider community feedback and fix the obvious issues that are present. Its a bold statement to say that literally no one is happy with the anti dry mechanic. No matter what system they implement people will bitch about it
@@ZealotTF2 it clearly isnt just a simple drop tweak request, the video is 31 minutes long lol. idc how long it takes to create a video such as this, hes still speaking from a place of arrogance. Just read the comment section and youll see the amount of people that are in opposition to him