Scrome J8: A Proper Scope for the FR-F2 Sniper
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The French Army used a single pattern of rifle scope from 1949 all the way until 1995 - the APX L806, which was essentially a German ZF-4. It was finally replaced officially in 1995, with the adoption of the Scrome J8 F1 for use on their FR-F2 sniper rifles.
The French Army wanted a scope made domestically, and the only suitable manufacturer to make it was Scrome. Formed in 1987, this was a company that specialized in electro-mechanical systems more complex than simple rifle scopes. They built things like mortar and artillery sights, and today do a lot of work with lasers, cameras, and aerospace systems. So when the government presented them the specifications for a simple, robust, 8x40mm fixed-power telescope they had no trouble making it.
The J8 was designed with a reticle that had range finding capability and etched BDC holdovers out to 800m, the maximum effective range of the FR-F2. This allowed the user to focus on targets as much as possible, and not think about external adjustments while shooting.
From the collector perspective, the J8 has been extremely difficult to find. This was a small side project for Scrome, and they essentially only built the scopes to order, not keeping them in stock for commercial sale. In addition, legal quirks theoretically made civilian sale of scopes with military range finding reticles illegal in France until 2012. A few commercial models were made with mil-dot reticles, but even these have always been very rare.
Happily, Scrome is now making a run of military-pattern J8 scopes to take advantage of the batch of surplussed FR-F2 rifles.
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"The problem is that this rifle, scope and ammo makes this too easy"
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so, whens the accuracy test with the fr-f2 + original scope?
@@hotpocketsfan well You will be suprised, what video he uploaded
@@TheMatek144 oh my god i’m stupid, but it’s ok because moderately funny comment
The NHR video is what lead me here!! Like the 6x42mm Swavy, too!!!
Ian: "I don't know if you can see any of the hits..."
Me: *Squints in 480p resolution*
Leave it to TH-cam to drag its feet uploading higher resolution version.
The burden of being early... 😁
@@PaletoB the Austrian museum video is 480p only too.
@@Pheonixco I think 480p will stay here forever :D
We're now 3 hours later and it's still only available in 480p…
NGL this 480p is kinda nostalgic, bring back the old intro and we're right there in 2012
Sorry...I don't know how I managed to upload a low-res version, but I'm on the road now and can't fix it. :(
@@ForgottenWeapons don't be sorry, the nostalgia trip wasn't a bad one
@@TheAlexagius Your Chef Excellence profile picture completes the whole 2012 feeling.
Which old intro, the machine gun, or the *do do do do do do* music one?
@@ikindalikebowie "An excellent observation."
You can’t deny how awesome that thumbnail is
Extremely Gallic.
It reminds me of those old 1800s photographs/portrait of a hunter
Oh yeah!
French firearms are awesome!
Happy Ian is good Ian.
Maybe it’s just the environment and mic location, but the FR F2 has such a great sounding action.
It's a great sounding and great looking rifle.
It's very satisfying.
@@ZETH_27 idk about great looking lmao
From a native French speaker and long time viewer, I find it very impressive how your pronounciation improved over the years. You were spot on in this video
Pas mieux ! I do agree!
Nothing beats range shooting with a well-made bolt action and a solid scope. Am I jealous of Ian on this one? Maybe a little.
Let's face it, you and I are jealous of 99% of what Ian gets to do in his youtube videos.
And that's nothing to be ashamed of.
You mean y'all don't have the pick of highly saught after bolt actions and automatic weapons to choose from? Crazy 😂
I’m very jealous, all I have is a new savage and a craptastic scope
Tell me about it, Ian tried more French weapons than me and I did my tour of duty in the 90s 🤣
Gosh, I remember "learning" how to hit targets with that scope reticle thanks to the crazy people of Operation Frenchpoint (the French army mod of Operation Flashpoint, it was such a good mod!)
I have been there, done that 🤣
Not being trained as a sniper, I wish you would explain that a bit more. I'm getting ready to buy an F2 and a J8..
and am trying to learn as much as possible before I do. Thx.
Hi Ian, I spoke with Etienne P. at Scrome about getting these into the country. It's good to see your work in making it happen. I have an FRF2, and the money for the J8 - when you get solid info please let us know. I speak with Henry regularly, he can always pass it along as well.
Agreed - between bang and clang - sounds like fun!
Hi Ian, always happy to see you posting more videos. Keep it up!
The sound of the shots is perfect ! Finally !!!!!!!!
Hey guys, thanks for tuning in to another video of Forgotten Resolutions, my name is Ian McCollum and today we have a look on 480p.
I'm just kidding here, no matter what resolution (with caveats), we love every FW video! It's the content, not the look that matters here, and that's a good thing! :)
Depending on your connection speed, you may never see it in hd..
Sucks to be you
Whenever you're at the range, to me it's somewhat disappointing that you rarely give us the downrange view. I really enjoyed that we got the opportunity this time! Don't need to see hits it just seems appropriate to be watching the shooter from behind.
Completely agree with that statement
Thank you for the view down the range !
Great presentation as usual thanks so much
That action sounds amazing.
Excellent addition
Nice! Great review! 👍
A most pleasing video
Great video!
Ian in his Element
Sharing super nice stuff with us and having fun
I love it. So much thought went into the reticle, but so simple to use when explained. You can tell you're shooting long range when you have time to work the action between the shot and the sound of the impact. 😉
Happy to recognize our production!
Cheers Ian. Thanks for the insight.
Thank you , Ian .
Great detail.
great content as always. cheers
Awesome thanks Ian
You are very interesting, thank you to take time for explain us the french military equipment. From France
There really is something about shooting steel targets, especially, out past 300 meters that is just so satisfying.
fantastic audio quality this episode!
I understand why 480p is the way to go sametimes if uploading takes to long etc. But i would've loved to see it all in 1080p. Great vid as always.
_"Ian has fun shooting a French gun with a French optic in France"_
*(Set Ian internal excitement to 11)*
Ian,
Thanks for the info. I have been following the scrome scope issue since you released the first FRF2 video. Ill keep my eye on your videos for where to buy.
Beautiful rifle
By the Nine, that's a beautiful combination. Been wanting an F2 for years now, so thank you, Ian. Really enjoyed this one.
I believe that's the Eight, my friend, Talos worship has been banned.
@@DaniTheGunsmith It's safer to just pick one. Better not Azura though, because then people might mistake you for the Adoring Fan.
@@alexanderthomas2660 Hail Sithis
I was watching the FR F2 video and im so glad this video came out because i'd have been very disappointed otherwise
I’m so jealous of you Ian, you have a DREAM LIFE my friend!
Beautiful Scope
Excellente video, excellent fusil.👍🏻
Very nice scope and rifle.
So Ian I hear you're getting a new scope ;)
Wow and 9Hole drops a video on the FRF2 ALSO! GREAT DAY
OMG the new Gun Jaysus T-shirt -'The Bang...and the Clang'
although I do feel envy towards Ian for all his opportunities and experiences and reputation, I can't imagine any one else on this planet that deserves it than Ian does. The dedication, work and sacrifice he has put in for, well, probably more than any of us truly know is incredible and any time I see him happy, over the moon to get a chance at some unicorn experience fills me with happiness too. Love you, Ian. You're the best.
Very cool!
I love these rangefinding techniques, very difficult to research for I imagine. Sooner or later I'm sure all long range rifles will come equipped with an automatic rangefinder that can be engaged with a push of a button, like a flashlight. Won't beat the classic crazy reticles like this one though, at least not for me.
It's actually rather surprising to me that we haven't seen rifle-mounted laser rangefinders yet, even if they're a few thousand bucks a pop.
@@MrBlueBurd0451 There's tons of them. Also, the new NGSW-FC the Army adopts has that and much more, look into that.
@@MrBlueBurd0451 i saw a LRF in a Zeiss scope a decade ago.
@@MrBlueBurd0451 Wilcox Rapter, SilencerCo Radius.....all the mil issued ones like the STORM. Burris Eliminator
I’ve always imagined that one day, rangefinders will work in conjunction with scopes to actively move the reticle to account for range.
Ole Benjamin Button -esk Ian has been at this so long that, whenever he gets gitty, so do I. Wonderful he is getting this opportunity to add the legit scope to his FR-F2
for a video in 480 it looks surprisingly good
gotta love seeing Ian so happy, shooting a french gun with a french scope, in France
Thanks!
Ian: needs to talk about the scopes markings
Also ian: *French mode activated*
I am not sure Ian s French mode can be deactivated 🤣
Ian with an FR-F2 and the proper scope, NEXT! On 9-hole Reviews.
Don't have an FR-F2, but just the scope has me drooling!!! It just looks "right" on the FR-F2.
Thank you.
I know you love French arms, I bet you are in heaven. Congrats!
Massive francophile, but I don't think he would be into in french women more than this finnish gun curator that I forget her name.
Ian, you talk a great french!
Cool!
Nice shooting!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
Watching the video twice so Ian can get enough ad money to buy one of these scopes once they hit retail! I would love to see this combo in a Brutality match, the scope such deserves its chance to shine!
Quite possibly my favourite bolt action rifle. I would pay a hefty sum to be able to get my hands on one here in Canada.
Wow you are in France right now. Nice man!
bienvenu, Ian!
okay is it just me or does that bold sound *really* satisfying to cycle
I actually really like that range finding/adjustment system. Maybe I'm weird but it makes sense and seems really intuitive to me.
I'm sure the designer would be pleased to hear it.
That's the goal after all, to make it as easy as possible for the user to train with and ultimately use the equipment.
Unintuitive design is either a compromise or just a bad design.
I just finished my Stage Tireur de Precision in the FFL and our FRF2s were on their last legs, luckily we were the first to start using the new replacement the SCAR-H
T'es loin d'être parmi les premiers.
@@a.a.a2914 la légion ça compte pas 😅 Vous êtes au dessus de tout le monde, c'est de la triche ;)
In America, a company here purchased more than 20 of these rifles and are claiming many are in excellent condition and are offering them for sale (along with J8 scopes). A smaller number, about 15% cheaper are advertised as being somewhat less pristine.
Given what you say about your F2 being on its last legs, is there anyway U.S. gun dealer could obtain these rifles in excellent condition? Thx.
It's pretty wild, the optic is very much sort of an East meets west reticle
Thank you Ian for this very interesting video (as usual).
Thank to you I finally know what the J8 reticle looks like.
And how and where (in hell ???) could you find IMI amos in France ? I'm looking for IMI 5.56 and 7.62 for month.
You're a very very lucky guy.
The reticle of the J8 was specifically designed for the ballistic characteristics of the 7.62 PF2 ammunition. Using different ammunition will modify the aiming points in the scope. The curved lines going from the 100 to 500m aiming points are a rangefinding device based on the shoulders of a human being. The width of the 100m to 500m aiming points is also a rangefinding device based on the width of a human head. The rangefinding device at the bottom of the reticle works on the height of a human being and also the width of the shoulders (the width of each horizontal line).
Exacte... Tous bon tireur d'élite sait que d'une munition à l'autre le coefficient balistique change, donc Un J8 est fait pour une munition Armée Française mais pas pour une autre...
So Ian was right when explained all this. Good to know!
Actually he says the curved lines "serve no ballistic purpose (paraphrase)" other than to draw one's eye to the center. He says the top horizontal lines, however, between the downward curving lines, are additional rangefinding aids (shoulder width) to complement the height-measuring horizontal lines at the bottom of scope.
And what is the PF ammo you mention? Who makes it, what weight and is it obtainable? Thx.
I have no background in telescopic sights and just got J8 delivered...rifle to come. Having no background, this ought to be challenging!
@@teller1290 Just because he says it doesn’t mean that it’s so. The FRF-2 with the J8 day scope and OB-50 night scope was my service rifle for years whilst serving with a certain unit of the French Army. The curved lines are a rangefinding device based on the width of shoulders. The horizontal lines between these curved lines are another rangefinding device, based on the width of a human head. The 7.62mm PF2 (Perforante, modèle F2) was a special « precision class » ammunition with an armour-piercing (black tipped nose) bullet, using a dense steel core tip and a copper sheath. It was made by MEN, for use by the French Army in conjuction with the FRF-2 and J8. No idea on the weight: it was definitely lower than regular « ball » ammunition. I don’t believe that it’s made anymore and even if it is, I doubt that it’s available on the open market.
@@XFly170 thank you very much.
That is such a cool rifle and scope totally jelly
One thing that would be really cool to see for these longer range shoots is if you guys set up a camera close to the target. Probably behind a steel plate or something just in case a bullet doesn't go as planned.
I can already see Ian.Buying one of these scopes for his rifle.
You can't!!---That's his compensation!__ "Payment in kind"
I was thumbs up/like number 488..👍❤️👍
Awesome video as always.. Thnx Ian..
Good thing that "falling out of a truck" didn't mess up the original batch of scopes
There is an other optic manufacturer in France that commercialised scopes, it's Bernard Optic, they are based in Corsica they mainly do high end marine binoculars for the navy.
Glad to see that puppy doing so well with 155gr pills. Henry was setting the range on fire with the 178gr munition on 9HR.
there is a 0% chance that ian left without a scope in his pocket😅
It's French, and it works. More likely he threw his wallet at them and demanded that they take his money.
@@bachtomin213 I think he may have even extorted them, Ian cannot be without this stuff. :)
Is that a Scrome J8 in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
@@TomElliottJackson Gun Jesus needs a hard SCROME 🙏
Without the gun itself, I don't really see how a scope for a gun would be any harder to bring in your luggage on a plane than plain old binoculars. But import restrictions rarely make sense, so who knows.
I hope you don't have to wait to take one of those scopes home dude.
I love that sound. Holy cow
I too was founded in 1987, well I was created in 1986 but I didn't make my debut appearance until 1987.
that was an amazing scope
A man who routinely shoots firearms that sell for $10,000+ has just warned us that the scope will be "very expensive".
Yikes.
Awesome Video , I personally fancy myself a sniper nerd so seeing some of these systems from the "interesting" era of modern firearm design (1960-2000~) is always a treat , more soo when coupled with the whacky antics that is optic design.
The spin drift on the lower chevrons really reminds me of the Russian 1p59 family of optic , which its self reminds me of the US A.R.T system.
What time frame was that rifle scope developed again? You might have said it in the vid and I missed it.
company founded 1987, scope update happened 1995. early in the video so apologies if I haven't gotten to those exact specifics yet
Sound like it’s got a good punch
Hi from a few miles away. Next time you travel in our region, let us know. We'll come say hi ! :)
Bang to Clang sounds like a t-shirt or coffee mug merch
And then 30 minutes later, you can see Henry shoot it. I just saw the video on, I have not watched it yet. Will do now.
Anyone else wish Ian did a Vlog of his travels?
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i REALLY like the sound of that rifle's action being cycled. What is it about it that makes it sound so great like that?
“I like steel targets cause it’s Extra Fun when they’re at long enough a range that you have a nice little delay between the bang and the klang” - Gun Jesus once again being eminently quotable.
There's a certain wonderful irony to a video talking about precision sights being in 480p
What’s that woosh sound when Ian is shooting and the camera is behind the gun? It definitely sounds different than when the camera is on the side
The curved lines are supposed to be a funnel to put shoulders of targets (a bit like the gun funnel in fighter jets where you put the wing inside the funnel)
Sad that I can only watch the video at 480p, but still a great video
Duke hooked Ian up
I find it interesting that on every shot the muzzle jumps considerably to the right. Is this because of the way you are holding it?
French firearms companies really love you, don't they?
Not surprising, considering *your* love for French firearms.
free advertisement for domestically produced french gear!
@@JustaGuy1250 only smart - put their equipment in the hands of the guy who will lovingly demonstrate to the best effect.
I was actually just thinking that. They must love francophile Ian. xD
I did joke a while back that 5 years from now, this channel will be in French with Finnish subtitles
@@JustaGuy1250 I agree that it's free advertisement, but it's only good advertisement for companies with good product. So when they are willing to invite Ian, it's almost a statement of quality. They feel secure enough about giving their product in the hand of a man who would TEAR into it if it had any major issues.