What Makes A Bad Catamaran Sailboat? Ep 247 - Lady K Sailing
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This week we talk about sailing catamaranas and what to look for when buying a sailboat like the Lagoon, Leopard, Founatine Pajot Catamaran, and others. Catamaran Galleys, Cockpits, and Bedrooms.
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I learn so much by watching Tim's videos
thank you for watching!
Hi Tim,
My wife and I just completed a Pacific crossing - Mexico to New Zealand - aboard our Catana 431, and arrived back home in Canada for Thanksgiving.
For the most part I agree with many of your observations. Having previous spent 3 years living aboard a heavy monohull cruiser, catamarans offer a number of practical advantages that make day-to-day living much more enjoyable. To start with the usable space is in the right place - we spend 95% of our hours awake in the main saloon and cockpit, which are on the same level, up above the waterline where you can see what's going on and walk about effortlessly. At anchor, which is where sailors spend most of their days, cats are stable and don't rock around nearly as much. We sometimes watch the masts of our momohull neighbours swinging wildly while we're barely moving, and feel very thankful indeed.
While some catamarans have been designed to cross oceans, most were designed for the charter trade. Those charter cats are very livable, but some aren't particularly good sailboats. They often have very low bridge decks and wide hulls to maximize interior volume. That results in much more hull slapping and relatively poor sailing performance, and in some cases compromised build quality.
Sailing performance, particularly light-wind performance, matters for passage-making. Almost any boat will make reasonable progress in 15 plus knots of wind. But many boats struggle in light conditions, and need to motor surprisingly often. While motoring is necessary, it isn't nearly as nice, or as much fun, as sailing. Properly designed cats can sail well in a very wide range of wind conditions. We only used the motors for one hour during the 3,100 nautical mile passage from Mexico to French Polynesia. The apparent wind was 10 knots or less for nearly half of the trip, but we were still able to complete the passage with an average speed of 6 knots. And, that was sailing pretty conservatively - preemptively reefing the mainsail at night, regardless of the conditions.
As you note, payload weight is a issue, and keeping cats relatively light is key to maintaining good sailing performance. As such, anything less than 40 feet is probably too small for living aboard. Especially, once you factor in how much tankage, stores, tools, spares, are needed, plus the toys most people want. One needs to be a real minimalist to make a smaller cat work.
Lastly, a lot of people, particularly non-sailors, feel uncomfortable on boats that heel. Sailing isn't fun if you're uncomfortable. After living on both, my wife simply wouldn't go off-shore cruising on anything other than a cat. And she's not alone. That's why Catamarans are currently selling at something of a premium and monohulls at a discount.
Is it true that the center boards on a Catana dramatically improve pointing? I sailed a lagoon 40 and it was worthless up wind. The bread crumbs on the GPS showed lots of tacks with speed but little VMG
First experience with cats was as crew sailing on a Lagoon 42 from Salinas, Ecuador to the Galapagos. Eight foot sea, wind at 20-23 knots with about a 50 degree relative wind angle. We had all jib and main up, and made 190 mile days. In similar conditions, on my Hunter 336, I would have the main reefed, and been heeled 15 or 20 degrees. Yes. your coffee cup stays put on the saloon table, and you can sleep next to your wife without difficulty. I am totally sold on cruising catamarans.
For want to be sailors: Consider Thailand and Island Spirit Sailing School. Two locations, one has accommodation and great scenery in the price. While the other has better wind. I just completed the crew course [5 days] , VHF [don't need in the USA] licence but you do to complete the skipper course [6 days]. VHF can be included in the course too. All up 11 days to be able to charter in Thailand and get an IYT certificate. Food is cheap and mostly spicy. You can anchor near restaurants and bars. Do it. I was one of four on the crew course and one of three for skipper. Courses starting every 15 days. Say Hello to Howie and Didi for me. Zero to offshore cruiser starts in April and goes 30 days from memory. Check their calendar. It may involve a 17 hours flight and a few shorter ones for those in North America, but Thailand is worth it. You will be blown away by the shopping in BKK, and the wonders of Phuket. No excuses.
how much was the course?
Never sailed on a cat but have lived aboard monohulls so I know how much stuff is required to make life work. This seems the main issue with smaller cats, they really hate carrying a load so you are continually worrying about weight. On a mono you just worry about where to put it! This, to me, seems to be the main difference. On a mono you look at how big the boat is and if there is enough storage space. On a cat you need to size the boat you need by how much weight it will carry. P.S. for 2 people it is likely to be about 1 ton not including fuel and water but can easily be more especially with all that space available. The result is that if you are looking at living on a cat you may need to go bigger than you would think. The other big issue is marinas. Marina berths are made to take a mono each side of the finger. A cat takes both spaces so expect to pay double, actually about 50% more as the cat will be shorter. An important issue if you are not going to be permanently at anchor.
Thanks Tim, As a cat owner, two things that could have been mentioned. Generally I agree with all that you mentioned but I think they all are not a big issue and occur rarely. The two things are; Hobby horsing can be very unpleasant as much as a mono and seasickness from a galley down which is also a mono problem. I have sailed in moderate seas and left my drink on the table and the motion was not enough to lose one drop of my precious drink. Another point is that double maintenance of engines and scraping the hulls is another negative but outweighed by the multitude of advantages. A great advantage is that you can usually travel greater distances in a cat per day. André in Sydney
Ex Cat/liveaboard (Lagoon470), one of the last made. Only kept it for a year, lived mostly in the Med and a winter in the Canaries. Sorry guys sold it went for a pilot salon mono.
Top reason, it scared the life out of the wife, mainly as she simple did not feel safe. Why? first the noise levels in anything over a F4 was scary, creaking, slapping etc. As mentioned clearance above the water is key, and I thought the 470 had plenty, we could easily motor the tender under it. but no, the slapping when it did happed was scary, and from some wave angles the force would actually life you of the aft bunk.
It was the creaking and flexing (the latter causing the former) did not inspire confidence and the constant gelcoat repairs along the stress lines was expensive.
One thing most youtubers fail to mention is condensation when it turns colder, heating was not an issue, just fit a big diesel heater, like SV Dalos, but condensation is another level of problem altogether. We use our mono in Northern Europe even in the winter, but to do this without getting rained on (inside) we had to get the entire interior insulated. A major job, but worth it for us, makes the boat really quite as well inspiring confidence when the conditions get sporty.
We have been in some terrible conditions (not by choice, bad forecasts), in the Cat we did not feel safe, in the mono while not as comfortable, we do. Bottom line, if the wife does not feel safe you ain't going nowhere for long.
Added to which, if exposed to really bad weather the resulting motion involves higher accelerations than on a monohull and, of course, it's not good to get knocked over onto its side ....😮
I guess the creaking and the gel coat fixing were due to the bulkheads being broken or on the way to break?
No, the boat was sold to a couple that did the round the world Blue water rally, and they sold it to another couple who also did another round the world trip. Neither couple reported any problems with the bulkheads. (We kept in touch)
Out of interest both couples sold the boat after their trips. @@RobertoMaurizzi
Good points. We should insulate for northern and southern climates. Kinda weird that it’s not standard.
For condensation you can also use a dehumidifier to get it to quality levels.
We have some nice marinas in the Canary Islands 🙂
A fellow Canadian 🇨🇦 aboard a Lagoon 400S2, 40,000nm and 9 years in.
Still loving my choice, currently in Indonesia 🇮🇩
Thanks for your efforts
From Sidney BC, left Canada in 2016
Watching on StarLink while sailing in the Java Sea, what a life 👍
You nailed it for the Catamaran Lifestyle, just one addition, maybe I missed it but the washing machine is a plus.
94.6% of my last 9 years the boat was stopped.
How bad is bridge deck slapping with your cat? Does it happen underway or just when anchored?
My wife and I spent five great years cruising the Caribbean aboard our Manta 40 cat, Two - Much Fun after being hardcore monohull sailors. We are total converts to multihull sailing. We had a galley up model with owner’s hull. Pure bliss…
When you mention galley up or down, to me the biggest issue was whether I feel safe in the galley - which means if it’s galley up, it needs to be a u shaped galley. We ended up with a Manta 42. It’s awesome!
there's just something I find elegant about monohulls......
True and monos cut the waves like a knife hot butter..
If you want to go to rough seas like north, catamaran is kinda no go.
We found what was the best compromise for us between comfort and performance in our Nautitech 441. What I dislike is the anchor on the port bow and the fact that one person has to climb over the other to get in or out of bed. The boat is a fast and comfortable passage maker and the cockpit is a great shelter from the sun and rain. Great ventilation and an awesome galley make liveaboard a pleasure. Located in Grenada.
SY L’Acadienne
Thank you for this channel and all your hard work.
One plus about a catamaran that I don’t remember you mentioning. Cruising at a sustained 12 knots means getting to a destination much sooner.
Many people sail cats around the Greek islands in the Aegean.
I’ve followed some blue water cruising in cats on TH-cam.
More, More, More! My parents used to tie my car seat to the mast of their Hobie 16. I'm now 53. We've chartered, mostly on cats, in the BVIs, Bahamas and Keys. My dream/3-5 year plan is to buy a smallish (Mahe 36 is on my radar currently) and sail/work southwestern FL and the Caribbean for a few years with the hopes of making the Atlantic passage by way of Greenland, Iceland, the British Iles and visiting the coastlines of Europe and lands east. Enjoy your content! Keep it coming. And Josje, if you're seeing this call me not him.
Great choice I have one and can testify as to it's greatness. If the Evolution dual owners cabins suits then buy it. I have made a electrical circuit if you want a copy. André in Sydney
Sorry, but will you freeze your butt in Greenland on CAT?
Great to meet you this weekend at the boat show! Thanks for the videos.
Roasting coffee way back then was done by making some small houses that had drawers that opened to each side, or to one side. The bottom of each drawer was aluminum, like what you used on the roof of the house. When the sun is out you open the drawers and have to coffee roast under sunlight and the heat of the aluminum from the bottom of the drawer. when it rains you just close the drawer before they get wet. Very organic, and energy efficient. On the other hand, it is not as fast a gas roasting. Great job out there, the coffee beans look gorgeous, wow!
Great to meet you at the show, keep up the great work!
I love your videos. I want to prepare for retirement with my young children and wife circumnavigating the world… would love to start with a year doing the Great Loop. Can you do a series on best boats for this trip… there are 4 of us… with a 7 and 8 year old.
thanks yet another good informative video.
I would like to see you do a similar video on Trimarans - whether it is vs mono's or cat's or vs both
That was a good presentation.
Any cat will do as long as it’s yours.
I like galley down, but would want a “day fridge” near the cockpit doors. For beverages mostly.
Your commentary was 100%, in terms of mono vs multi. I wasn't clear on whether you're a mono or multi-hull owner at present. Anyway thanks for a wonderful presentation.
See you at the Sailboat show! This is exactly what I will be looking at there! It was like this video was speaking to me specifically! LOL! Literally follows my plan to get rid or my house and move on to a boat in Caribbean.
Thank you! Sooooo many things I had never even considered that just make so much sense! Wow.
Always great and unbiased Thoughts.
Be well.
Thanks for watching!
This is one of your best! Thank you.
I just traded in the Hunter 41 for a Lagoon 42.
check those bulheads..Im sure you already have...just thinking the nightmare Sailing Parlay dealt with.
But congrats on your new cat!! Godspeed sir
im thinking of buying a lagoon 42 but because of its charter boat reputation im not how its gonna preform crossing oceans, how has yours treated you?
Thanks for the Cat episode, please - do more with your charming flair and touch for deals
Thanks for all your insight. I'm on the low budget dream, so the Gemini's have been catching my attention.
Should I go with capsizing or non-capsizing? How about bulkheads - structural or French?
We have a Wharram Tiki 30 (modified) still learning her ways but Sue is more of an expedition boat.
Once again a very nice video to watch
Two hulls provide double the stability but a very fast righting moment versus a well-designed mono hull which can be balanced and far more comfortable. Yes, multi-hulls are great for island hopping but for anything offshore, you can be sure to feel sick.
Just discovered this channel and this awesome video! Very interesting considerations about catamarans ... thank you! IMO about 42 feet is good size for single handed sailing with a reasonable overview and good available space! Good balance of the load is cruzial on every ship! Greetings from Europe!
Welcome aboard! Thanks for watching!
I like the ideas put forward on live ability. Iam building a small trimaran 20 foot. I like the speed and comfort. In the future going larger. Cat or trimaran.?
Great information, as usual Tim. Bridge deck slap is one aspect of cat life I really hadn’t thought about, so good to hear. Thanks!
Consider a tender on a long painter going under the boat and banging the outboard on the bridge deck. What seas state do you need it to be annoying?
Enjoy your experiences and expertise points on sale boat models
What about the benefits of the modern trimaran like the Neels.
Missing the boat show by a WEEK! But this is a super helpful video!
good one tim
he's always got a great cast. And historsea is fantastic as well. Tim can make excellent documentaries
Two things missed Type of hull material, I grew up on fiber glass over ply trimaran heavy slow but quiet, I'm building a aluminum catamaran and sailed on the same boat for 10 days, the noise was a lot and being so light when the sail filled with air lurching the boat forward I could feel my skin stay with the bunk and my innards catch up later. But fast in a light breeze and that is more important to me. get to where I'm going and enjoy
Tim Island Packet cat. Let’s talk about it. . . See you at the boat show sir. Let’s have a drink.
great show I like Cats allot the 105 is on my wish list
Because of their speed catamaran hulls going through the water are much noisier. In a monohull if you go off course, you can feel the difference from the angle of heel. Not so much with a catamaran, as it does not heal, and the cat needs more attention maintaining course
See you at the Show!
Have fun in Annapolis Tim! Hopefully I can make it next year. Cheers!
My watching was interrupted sorry if I'm incorrect here, but a big issue for me is fwd visibility, I don't think you mentioned it. Think looking thru is my preference.
Thank you for your video sir! Well done as always. Huh. Catamaran. I haven't considered a catamaran for two reasons. One, price. They're going for big bucks out by me and usually that stops my investigation on anything as far as owning it. Number two, (this is just my thoughts, they may not be apt) it's almost like two boats instead of one. I'm not sure I'm ready for that yet. However I will say the live aboard part seems a heck of a lot easier on a catamaran. Just my thoughts. Thanks again!
My Father, Royal Navy, stationed in Bermuda for seven years just said simply that "Catamarans were unlucky." Think what you will.
Thanks for going more in depth on cats. Still considering them for the future though I mean mono.
*lean
It's funny you mentioned the Gemni MC105 I have been looking on line at them for a small CAT. I would love to see your opinion on them, Or maybe the Snowgoose?
I had a 105mc Gemini for several years sailing from Greece to the Italie and South of France. Good boat for two people (and a hairy cat). She sails well against the wind but beats on the wave and is uncomfortable. It is fun and fast, from the wind sideways to the stern, with the raised drifts. Life on board in the port or at anchor in a bay is pleasant but in the Mediterranean Marina, you pay dearly ... The mobile centerboards are not a real advantage in the Mediterranean, on the contrary, make noise and require a lot of maintenance. For the cruise according to my captain's needs, now ultra seventy-year-old, I have been returning to a monohull with a deck saloon for some years. If you fell in love with the catamarans below 35-36 'take a look at the Capella PDQ. It's better than Gemini but I hadn't found it.
My boat - Capsize Screening Formula: 1.83 -- -- -- The cat of anyone's choice: 100.08. They just never come up again. I would only sail a cat alone.
Never get out of the boat. Absolutely goddamn right. Unless you were going all the way. A favorite movie, couldn't help myself.
Great vid. 🙏🛥️🛥️🛥️
Thank you 🙌
I live on my Prout Quest 31’. It’s not big but it’s really a stable design. One of the main advantages is the shallow draft - which allows me to go very close to land when anchoring for nasty weather. Which is an important factor for getting a good sleep and a good atmosphere for waiting out the weather.
How about a video on antifouling paint; hard vs. soft.
Howdy! Cats are what I'm really looking for but it looks like a small mono hull is my budget lol
Im retired and traveling in Greece. The thought of living and chartering out a cat speaks to me.
mountain bike storage in one hull is the plan...got to have my toys
Great overview…thanks!
I have a Maine cat 30 very shallow draft tremendous boat in crazy weather, the 38 is apparently even the higher performance,was boat of the year.... check it out. I never need to plug in
I wouldn't have a catamaran any bigger than a canoe, because how do you right it when a wave flips it?
Hi Tim really good advice very informative
Glad it was helpful!
Simples, galley up, beers and cheers in the cockpit as that's where the fridge is and if I feel I need to exercise I just sit down till the feeling goes away and then open another beer. As I said, simples, life shouldn't be complicated.
I have no clue about Starlink at sea but at home, it works great unless a large thunderstorm is parked above you. I've been on the service for 2 years now. Yes the speed did decrease after beta ended but now I just see it getting better and better. In the last 24 hours I experienced 5 total seconds of downtime. That is better than Comcast managed over the 20 years I had them as an ISP. So yeah, the daily thunderstorms might be your only issue. One last thing is latency, the time it takes for the signal from your device to hit the internet and back, now averages 24ms.
Starlink works the same at sea even underway but it costs more per month. When we acquired our version 2 over 4 years ago the service was a bit sketchy but it has steadily gotten better and better as more satellites are launched.
catamaran are very interesting. I would note that multihuls that are larger in size can offer much of what a cruising camera can offer. But at the end of the day, it really comes down to cost. For the cruising or level board cat, they’ve really become attractive and reasonable in the $300,000-$500,000 price range. If you budget is 30,000 to 50,000 you’ll probably need to forget about cats for cruising completely.
Talking about gemini catamarans.
would it be a feasible to use a sub 40 gemini catamaran (coastal cruise) as a live aboard sail the world type of boat?
great content thanks mate
Glad you enjoyed it
Missed you at Annapolis
I just traded the MacGregor 26X sail/speedboat for a gutted 30 foot Iroquois catamaran. All bulkheads and rigging are gone. I'm putting in different bulkheads where the front and rear cabin walls are so the cabin makes a box beam which hopefully makes the boat stronger. A different youtuber called 9to5less drove it from Virginia to Florida with a 15 horse outboard. My plan is to have the galley in one pontoon and floor sections that cover the pontoons making the center cabin wider and the floor sections over the pontoons flip up, letting you stand in the pontoon and there is a counter under the floor which is on top when it flips up onto the center floor. I really like the idea of a huge, wide floor area where large things can be worked on inside. The fold-up floor lets me have a floor space as wide as the boat at times, and use the pontoon area at other times.
Be careful, Iroquois are notorious for capsizing ...
Thanks for the warning. I think this one is too far gone to sail again. Its getting a 115 horse outboard and retaining the 15 as a self-rescue motor. I got the cat to hold a large solar panel array that gave my Carver 27 cabin cruiser solar air conditioning, but the solar rack was too heavy for that boat to be safe in open ocean. Should work a treat on the Iroquois though. I think I can use gas to get to the Florida Keys or Exumas and then island hop using solar electric propulsion with the air conditioner turned off.@@ewantheboat
@@ninehundreddollarluxuryyac5958
cool fair winds!
Opinion? Mac 26 as a first time sail boat?
I don't know why you're not listed as being in the Creator's Tent at the show. You have more subs than most of the channels in the tent.
I wonder what your thoughts are on trimarans?
Thanks Tim for this again interesting and information rich vlog on catamarans.👍👊 But after many videos about them and all the pro-propaganda lately (often not talking about the so much higher costs) I still prefer my beloved❤ steel Chiquita 38 monohull called 't Boegskip and since last July also my home. But always willing to inform myself on all the pro and cons in mono vs multihull discussion and see some interesting things in multi-hulls..also here in the marina in Den Helder Netherlands (last month the Dutch cat-trimaran association had their anniversary here with 45 catamarans and trimarans in marina) that trigger my creativity to copy it redesigned to my monohull.😎
See you at Annapolis, Tim.
The cat I am curious about won’t be at the Annapolis show but the founders will be in L tent. That’s the Hop Yacht 30. I think it might be a good boat for seasonal trips up and down the ICW and maybe a Loop.
I have looked at some used lower priced cats like the Gemini and while the galley is down in the hull, the fridge is next to the cockpit, so it looks reachable from the galley, salon and just in from the cockpit. I’m not a chef so the fridge would be most of my interest. Although I have a portable 12v fridge I could put in the cockpit. The design choice I’m not a fan of is that there is a nice owners bunk forward, but the head is forward in the other hull so at night you would need to go through the entire boat to use it.
Regarding hull slap, you get that on mono’s with aft cabins, so I don’t think it’s a big deal. If Bridge deck slap is happening, I doubt anyone is sleeping. My mono sailboat would be rocking so hard it might be hard to stay in bed let alone sleep. Slamming bridge decks is a thing underway and I would hope to know how a particular boat acted before buying it. Also hobby horsing that some smaller cats are known for.
I think cats are becoming popular because you spend a lot more time at anchor than sailing and the space is great for that. Over time they have been evolving into condos and sailers, so it’s good to research what kind you want. My budget is primarily keeping me in monos, or some older small cats
Thankyou.
If the buyer is not seasoned to blue water sailing, a cat's speed can be sudden and scary. Excelleration from 7-8 knots to 17 or so plus is awesome but like in the bahamas you can run out of space quickly and drifters can unleash strong winds. Had a Lagoon 47, loved the speed, livability but the inner hull slam can be unnerving. At anchor with a bridle, road much better than my monohulls, less likely wobble in side rollers like main harbor Rum Key or Little Harbor in the Abacos. But my real concern: I never had to face on the cat northers arguing with the gulf stream. Best laid plans . . . forecasts are intelligent guesses. I have serious doubts about unseason dreamers fairing well physically and emotionally. You can't always run down wind in the Gulf Stream or maneuver out of the shallows once under sail in the Bahamas. Shud we buy another boat, most likely wud be a cat but not under 48. Your comments and knowledge are excellent and for me, your videos of the Bahamas nostalgic. Spent half of my 15 years of blue water sailing there including to most of the islands but Andros (that's a lot of islands).
@ 5:20
LMAO
Been out there in Open Water a few times when the autopilot got drunk.
Tim, could you make a video sometime about how a landlocked person with no sailing experience could learn to sail and see if it is a lifestyle for nearing retirement? I'm looking for a place I can fly to for one week and take introductory sailing classes.
I literally learned in a land sailer, before ever going to the water. There's all sorts, and would definitely be a good start to get you familiar to how the wind acts on a sail setup
I live in Colorado, I am getting ready for retirement on a cat. My wife looked in to sailing school here but found the quite costly and lacking on water time. she found Kemah Tx, we could fly there take the classes and rent a car an hotel room for cheaper and get time on ocean. No brainier!! ASA 101 is where you start for you keelboat certification. I think it was a two day class and came with a 1/2 day boat rental on your own. We used South Coast Sailing Adventures they were great and fun.
Consider Thailand and Island Spirit Sailing School. Two locations, one has accommodation and great scenery in the price. While the other has better wind. I just completed the crew course [5 days] , VHF [don't need in the USA] licence but you do to complete the skipper course [6 days]. VHF can be included in the course too. All up 11 days to be able to charter in Thailand. Food is cheap and spicy. You can anchor near restaurants and bars. Do it. I was one of four on the crew course and one of three for skipper. Courses starting every 15 days. Say Hello to Howie and Didi for me. Zero to offshore cruiser starts in April's and goes 30 days from memory. Check their calendar. It may involve a 17 hours flight and a few shorter ones for those in North America, but Thailand is worth it. You will be blown away by the shopping in BKK, and the wonders of Phuket. No excuses.
Great video! I am leaning towards the Gemini 105mc , because of the shallow draft and price , want do the great loop and some island hoping!
We are sailing a Broadblue 38, probably around a similar size and layout, we love it 🙂
Had one-very noisy hulls even at anchor or doc.
Draft? And anchoring?
dropping some good info... thank you much...
Thanks for watching!
I really appreciate your inciteful views regarding the mono vs multi hull experience. And the price point didn't even rate a mention. Two hulls seem to cost twice as much. Plus mono hulls don't require escape hatches for capsizes.
Lol. Inciteful views re: cats and monohulls. I see what you did there 😉
one thing that cats provide is shade when swimming underneath it
Dream cat is a galley up but I have never sailed anything yet. Maybe someday. :)
More catamaran content!
Will you be at Annapolis show all 4 days?
Brilliant!
I imagine a 46 foot cat must cost much more for a slip at a year round marina then the traditional mono hull boats correct? Any idea by how much per foot?
Is capsizing a issue for cats?
If I had the money for a Leopard, or Lagoon catamaran, I would just instead get a 10-15 year old mid 40s LOA monohaul, with the beam going back to the stern, dual wheels, electric main winches, plenty of off grid power, and probably have some money spare other things.
Couldn't agree more, except swap in a full keel 12-14m. Why take a small apartment to sea? These condo cats are eye wateringly expensive & to my salty GenX genes, look & feel too way much like a luxury lake houseboat.
Yep, no-brainer imo to go the full 2023 works on some 2011 boat an old bloke has ❤. When people 'love' something, being the 'right' buyer can swing a good deal. Tim talks a lot about insurance, but I think he typically assumes people borrow $$$ to buy these things. Cheers from Chevron Island, moriver.
In a past episode you mentioned that it is hard to get insurance on boats older than 10 yrs. I can't imagine a company that doesn't want to make money which is what you're describing. I've seen stranger things. Hangar companies for aircraft do the same thing. How do you get around this problem because with hangars they wont even let you build a T hangar and give it to them.
It's the same with some cars. The older the vehicle. The more liability it is to insurance company.
how do you dispose your trash in the sea? Do you just throw plastic bags in the sea, or do what?
No!!! We never throw trash in the sea - try to keep trash to a minimum- then there are trash cans or places to dispose of trash once you are in a harbour or anchorage again- so you dispose of it properly on land once you’re on land again
@@LadyKSailing
So basically the range of the ship is limited by size of your onboard trash bin? Where do you store the trash - it can become very smelly pretty fast in tropical climates. I guess catamaran has an advantage because one can use half of it for trash and for the toilets and live in another half.
we try to recycle as much as possible - some food scraps - e.g. banana peels, apple cores can be thrown in the sea - otherwise garbage goes into big green garbage bags, usually put in the compartment under the cockpit seats, cans and bottles are kept separate and taken to a recycling facility once we reach land - in the Bahamas it was not a big issue - we usually ended up anchoring near land every 2-3 days and then taking the trash and recyclables in the dinghy - so it didn't get a chance to buildup much :)
Cheers.
We are looking for a fast 30 to 34 boat that will win on the weekends. Anybody have any suggestions? im talking that sucker needs to be fast!!
Crossed the Pacific on a Cat and I will never go back! 12-15' following seas to Hawaii flying 8-12kts reached 16-18 kts and never felt worried or spilled a drink on his 50ft cat. Btw none of us been on a Cat before and we pushed her and she wanted more until we blew the main hehe. The cat slap was real and sounded like thunder but you get used to it. The slowest speed we did was 6kts.
Wow!
Best place to buy a cat! Next trip is upwind.
Whats better to hit a lobster 🦞 trap with? Monohulls or catamarans?
I'm a cat fan but a downside going through crab pot fields is the width of the cat. I could maybe make the argument that the prop is going to be nearer the surface if you need to dive it, and you do have the second engine, but you've got to be more cautious on a cat going through those areas.
@@bdtrap thanks for the knowledge. There are a lot of traps on the river inlet to the bay. I wish they had a AIS signal on them.
Thought there was a whole snafu on using Star Link RV on boats because they want you to buy the (expensive) Marine version? Did they change that policy?
Yes. The RV dish works fine at sea. You just have to opt into the priority plan when offshore and then back to regional plan when you get back to the coast
Aventura is a lesser known brand and is at a lot lower cost for brand new cats
Of course, avoid the Lagoon 450 with its grossly under designed bulkheads. It has been determined that it effects all of them and costs tens of thousands to fix it. On smaller cats, i think you are really better served by a mono hull. On sub 40 foot boats, the cabins are basicly singles in the rear and less up front. The Gemini has the athwarts ship birth for the main cabin. Also, if you plan on any time in a marina, expect to pay double for a slp as you will take up 2 slips. A fes of the smaller cats can barely squeeze into a normal slip but may still see a surcharge.
Of course you don't own a 450. It does not cost tens of thousands to fix the bulkheads. Some were fixed for free by Lagoon while older 450 owners paid about $5k. And we are in a marina on the T and pay the same as a mono.
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