Mass Effect 3 | Quarian Fleet Destruction [Tali's Death]
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Geth response to winning war: We regret the deaths of the creators.
Quarian response: Lol rekt m8 gg no re. Now let's go build us some houses!
those machines never give that answer the legion gives but it says it because it knows that it is going to kill an entire race I kill those traitorous machines
4:58 you are either deaf and blind or a politician. Quarians fiddled too much with AI intelligence and got what they deserved, I always save both but if i had to choose,
well machines cost less to maintain and look like a good gun fodder.
you are the idiots I do not trust the geths allied with the repayers and I do not give a shit why they did it, fuck the geths
It could be the same as with legion if legion not is in the third game ,i will never could save the geths, also the galaxy would trust more in the quarians than in legion and I regret to tell you this but from mass effect 1, all the galaxy think that they are allies of the reapers
carlos sabogal bro your still wrong 😂the geth were the victims from day one, and only ever wanted to defend themselves. The game goes out of its way to show the quarians as stuck up A holes who will never treat the geth as equals (aside from tali) while saving both races is ideal, it is clear that one race deserved to leave over the other. Even when the geth destroy their creators, they show remorse and regret, showing their “humanity” so to speak. When the quarians destroy the geth, they don’t give three shits aside from tali I choose the geth 9 times outta ten when I can’t save both. While tali may be an exception, her race does not deserve to live over the geth. (Also keep in mind tali kills herself, the geth woulda let her live for sure)
3:38 Tali is listening to the distress calls from her birth ship. :(
I never side with the Geth (ever again anyway)
The first time was an accident because I didn’t know I was choosing a side I mean it’s not like they said “let the quarians die” but if I’d known they would then I would’ve stopped legion I mean I did reload but still feel the guilt
@@gabematthews4532 Imagine firing disabled ships and still losing
weak race and deserves to be destroyed
I think it was absolutely genius that there was a paragon interrupt even though it doesn't help at all to save Tali. It really adds so much gravity to Shepard's situation. He/She has the weight of the galaxy on his/her shoulders.
Plus anything you and tali has is gone she would hate you for the extinction of her species and shed be an emotional wreck after the war
I agree! I think it would also have been good if some of the persuade/threat commands failed from time to time.
Hearing Tali cry... man, the heartwrench was on a different level.
bioware hated tali
@@Quole1234 they better show her more respect in the next game
I mean I’ll be surprised if they even have Tali in the next game but I mean if Shepard returns then Tali and Garrus have to because if they don’t then I ain’t buying
Man this sequence continues to break me. I will ALWAYS ugly cry seeing Tali take off her mask.
You think it would be more of a gut-wrenching scene after she falls of the cliff...Shephard just goes right back into things again. Business as usual.
You really don't like Quarians do you lol.
The best thing about Romancing Tali is that after a little while she leaves you a picture of what she looks like without the suit.
Nick Meredith u do realise that was just a slightly altered Google stock picture right?
yeah. but since you have to romance tali in me2 and 3 to see it, not many would. Thought it was a nice touch, regardless of picture choice
It was a pretty hard ending for them, the geth tried to offer them a way out over and over but they just wouldn't listen to reason. Extra sad points for my shepherd after doing the Tali romance path
@@TyrannosaurusCHEX you romanced Tali and then doomed her people. Nice, you are a piece of shit.
So at the end of Mass effect 3, Shepard can erase like 3 races. (Geth, Krogan, Quarian)
Krogans aren't erased. The genophage makes it so they can't reproduce in mass numbers. I believe Mordin said only 1/1000 births will live. Also, you choose only 1 from Geth or Quarians so technically he erases two: Quarians or Geth and then the Batarians.
Dildo Baggina Krogan are pretty much done for. They'll die out.
samturrett in the fleet there are turians too
pontus Furberg But that's just their fleet, not their entire population
4 races: Geth, Krogan, Quarian and Rachni...if they survived ME1 :3
The most underrated sad death in this scene is at 2:30. The get fighters just gained true intelligence. For the first time in their existence they were truly alive, and their first act as sentient beings was to sacrifice themselves for the fleet. Pure heroism.
Actually reading this makes me more sad haha. I never thought about it like that.
The way Geth work, I think as long as there is a backup copy and it's connected to other Geth, it'll be just like Connor dying and coming back from Detroit become human
Imagine that, a video game gets more of an emotional impact in 5 minutes than the entire last 3 Star Wars disasters.
I don't think so.
Unless you're speaking of the original trilogy in that case ok, they weren't emotional. But episode I II III are emotional as fuck!
Episode 3 is emotional but only because it pushes itself to melodramatic horseshit.
Episode 1 and 2 are vapid un-emotional horseshit.
The original trilogy managed a genuine emotional investment, the destruction of the first Death Star had more genuine emotion than the entire Prequel trilogy.
Lol the destruction of the first Death Star has no emotion at all. It's just so flat.
The only emotion moment from the OT is Vader's death, but thanks to episode 4 and 5 for the build up (and the prequel trilogy improved that)
In your opinion maybe, but the majority of audiences fell in love with Star Wars BECAUSE of the emotional stakes. the Prequel trilogy is more divisive because it does such a poor job at being emotionally engaging.
whether that be by its flat, intentionally monotonous delivery or by its utterly insipid dialogue...
The Prequel trilogy destroyed Vader's character irreparably
Vader didn't 'fall to the dark side' he was fucking tricked because he's got all the perceptive powers of a 4-year old,
This is basically Anakin's character in Episode 3:
'Oh, you're the sith lord? SHIT WHO'D HAVE SEEN THAT COMING?!'
'I know I'm literally stepping over the corpses of Jedi you just killed but you seem like a trustworthy dude!'
"Oh god... I killed Mace Windu!'
"Oh, that 'we can save Padme' thing was just conjecture and you don't actually know how to do it yet? whatevs, still on board for whatever you've got planned!"
"You Know how I was expressing deep regret over killing Mace just like... three minutes ago? well I'm gonna go massacre some kids now! because fuck subtle progression or actual character logic!"
The Prequels are only emotional if you're a fucking IDIOT.
the contrivance involved in creating their drama is so blatantly obvious that most people didn't buy into it.
"The Prequels are only emotional if you're a fucking IDIOT."
Or how to lose all credibility and demonstrate, once more, that the prequels haters (that are a minority) are just inferior people.
Didn't read the rest, I knew I would find this but congratulation to have made a pointless text!
3:27 Oh my god… Tali’s crying, the piano, and the quarian ships being destroyed breaks my heart. I would ALWAYS maintain peace with the Quarians and Geth so this doesn’t happen at all. 😭
Tali'Zorah nar Rayya was her name in the first game. That ship was her childhood home.
This is probably the most realistic outcome, honestly.
rinraiden Why ? It is more realistic to spare the living organic race of your friend than the Robots who tried to kill You Two games Ago (I know.. heretics and stuff, but still)
Well the Quarians did start it by destroying Geth out of fear when the Geth posed no threat to them.
yes but it is something that any race of mass effect would make others killed 99% of its population
The thing is the entire galaxy hates the geth they would not be able to move up on society the quarians will be because they fixed their mistakes
actually it's not, honestly.
"Your people started this war. We will end it." sums it all up, really. The quarians got what they deserved. They instigated war twice and both times they got their asses handed to them; the only difference is the first time the Geth let the survivors go because they didn't want to completely wipe out their own creators.
So what if the Geth are machines? They have evolved sapience which later develops into true free will, which makes them as sentient as any other person in the universe. Why isn't it also their planet in that case?
Granted, making peace is the best option (is it?) if you're going for points (though enough multiplayer can cope for them), but there's a reason "we're letting the Geth die" is the renegade option and saving the Geth is paragon. The fact of the matter is, the history shows (Morning War, pre-Reaper War) every time the quarians felt like they had an advantage over them they immediately attacked the Geth without mercy. Both times the Geth have done nothing but retaliate with brutal efficiency.
The Quarians have never attempted diplomacy, never tried to settle things amicably, just immediately initiated war both times. Hell, your Shepard can outright tell them to NOT GO TO WAR in ME2 and they still do it anyway because their admiralty board are filled with complete morons. You have Gerrel, who will stop at nothing to attempt to blow up everything remotely shaped like a geth and who will throw the lives of his entire race and others away to do so rather than colonise another planet, backed up by Xen, who despite being a brilliant scientist doesn't give a fuck whether or not the geth are sentient or not and just wants them to return to being cheap labour tools regardless of the consequences of wiping their sentience away from them. These are two of their LEADERS, mind you.
The greater majority of (*not all, mind*) quarians are nothing but evil to their own creations; hell, they willingly gunned their own people down in order to attempt to kill the geth in the Morning War rather than reach a solution, all for the want to keep their machines docile and stupid and keep them under their thumb.
+Quole1234 Incorrect. Tali is the ONLY thing that will be missed of that idiotic species.
no I disagree, the quarians did make a mistake but they do not deserve extinction , in fact most people of the migrant fleet didn't want to fight the geth but the admirals were being assholes and they were forced to fight the geth. plus if the some of the quarians rebelled, where will they go? the Asari don't want them, the salarians don't want them hell the entire council don't want them, and where will they get their resources for their suits? quarians did not deserve extinction because of some people that hated the geth.
plus just pick the get and quarian peace. it's the best choice hands down
If the actions of the leaders are enough to judge an entire species then I can give you a very, *very* long list of reasons why humanity deserves to go extinct...
How it changed so quickly, Han'Gerrel seems like the good guy in ME2 but in reality he's the arrogant, reckless one in ME3, dooming the entire Quarian race despite commands from Tali & Zaal'Koris (if rescued) to cease fire. Ppl in the comments saying it's all the Quarians' fault for this 3 century war with the Geth, but as you can see in the Geth Consensus mission, not all Quarians are to blame for, its memory contains some of them who has sympathy for their synthetic companions, but they're ultimately outvoted by those who wants to terminate the Geth. Tali, Zaal'Koris to an extent, & with maybe some Quarians civilians wishes for a peaceful solution with the Geth. To say the Quarians deserved to be wiped out is unfair!
Ikr, I loved trolling Koris in ME2 cause he seemed like such an asshole. Then 3 comes, and you start to feel kinda bad for making fun of his ship name. xD
There should be a Renegade interrupt for this where Shep shoots Tali before she jumps.
Make those "Renegade for Life" players think a little bit.
It's not renegade but lunacy.
Wenji Cui That's what I mean.
+twotailedavenger lol you two are such dorks.
+twotailedavenger I wouldn't give a shit, I actually consider Vega and even Jacob a more interesting character than that filthy suit-rat.
+twotailedavenger The quarians were at fault, though, so technically letting the geth destroy them is closer to a paragon act than a renegade one.
Tali's crying though... D':
My heart aches... I need to go lie down.
Void Light i felt sorrow and sadness for month after this
Only after all these years i am able to watch this
The first time the trigger command to try to save Tali came up I was like "Oh shit, i better press it quickly." then I realized I wouldn't have to deal with Tali anymore if I ignored it and let her jump as I looked on.
When i saved the geth on my first play through, i had tali as a romance, it broke my heart choosing the geth....
I would choose the Geth. I mean, having a massive destructible fleet with the same intelligence as the Reapers? Wow.
Same
Same. Imo choosing the geth is canon, they are the most obvious choice.
@@Quole1234 The Geth chose to side with the Reapers twice. First the Heretics, then the entire species. What will stop the Reapers from taking control of them again? Nothing. They're too susceptible to "hacking". The best choice is to let both Quarians and Geth live their own, separate lives. Either that, or destroying the Geth so that they can't side with the Reapers a THIRD time.
@@jacklambert1521 1st time was just a part of the Geth, not all of them. That is like judging the entirety of humanity just because of Cerberus actions in the game.
2nd time was down to survival with the quarians deciding to attack once again thus forcing the geth to ally with the reapers out of necesisty.
My point is the Geth was not "hacked" either time to work with the reapers.
@@gamefan56 I'll be honest, you're better of destroying the Geth anyway since 65% of players chose the destroy ending and killed the Geth and EDI anyway. Most people didn't even feel bad about it... For some reason (that's why I chose synthesis)
When Legion realized he had to die, it almost for a second like he was afraid of death. Just the way he says "required". Really emotional cutscene and one of my favourites.
3:27 The piano with the burning ships in the sky...the feels! D:
anybody can tell me, why the "god child" said: the created will always reveal against their creators... if Shepard prove that the geths and the quarians can stand in peace
so why ME3 had that ending this dont make sense...
sry for my bad english and for the spoilers
Its momentary peace they both see that there is a bigger threat than just each other so they put aside their differences to destroy this common foe after that they'll probably go right back to killing each other
Yep sorry I had wrong information I do play the game but I interpreted it differently if you do the paragon or renegade reputation check you save both fleets the geth let the quarians live on rannoch and help the build up their immune systems by mimicking viruses Tali refuses to let a geth upload itself into her environment suit if you're in a relationship with Tali saying the only person who gets in her suit is you
Good because I dont like sharing Tali Zorah vas Ranonch nar Rayya vas Normandy
Because the starbrat is just lying to avoid being destroyed. Everything he says is to prevent you from pushing the red button
Lots of people are duped!
Except that its difficult to make the peace, the geth have already killed 99% of the quarians and there have been countless disputes like this throughout galactic history
@@andrews.5212 yes lol
Like,all choices require sacrifices ,but starchild portrays the other two as flawless while destroy as flawed
Fucking gaslighting manipulative mfk
to be honest, i was so angry with the quarians because they were absolutely brutal with the geth despite the geth sparing them and never waging war on them. they may be synthetics but legion is proof that they are more than that in certain respects. But i quickly regretted my decision, despite my fondness for the geth all the music and destruction combined with tali's suicide practically gave me a mental breakdown.
is the fault of the council of the citadel all this the quarianos were part of the council and the council is antisintico any should be destroyed according to the council besides the quarianos acted in the way in which any race of massive effect had acted, the council are just idiots. LEs forbid colonizing any planet and then want them not to attack the only world that can help them with their immune system
Better said, everything is the asari's fault
this is where men cried
Our credit chips will be safe now from these clanless.
LOL
I will admit I respect Han'Gerrel for not trying to run away even as his crew was panicing and he released they were all going to die. He went down with his ship calmly. Gotta give him that at least.
Running away might have saved his people.
Nothing honorable in pointless death
The entire conflict was Gerrel’s fault sooooo… no. No I’m not going to give him that.
Mass Effect 3 made me learn to hate quarians, especially their admirals (except for tali who I loved as a character.) Honestly Tali's death and the quarians death would have been avoided if Garrel backed off. And not to mention he did endanger shepard's and tali's lives in that geth dreadnought and also xen's idea of experimenting on legion when they first encountered. Now I understand why choosing the geth was a paragon action. The Quarians were horrible to the geth despite their history.. and geth deserve to live.
+Gamble Animations The Geth are glorified toaster ovens. Their merit only extends as far as their ability to contribute to the defeat of the true threat, the Reapers. If I can't have peace, I chose Quarians. Every time.
the genocide to its creators does not help me to love them and see them as victims besides allying with the reapers not unfortunately I can not see the geths as innocent in mass effect, I always choose the quarianos over those machines
Easily manipulated moron.
"Your people began this war. We will end it."
Damn, that sound badass! Crystal truth. Aggressors have finally got what they deserve.
@@Quole1234 "Tali won't be missed" Why won't you miss Tali? Is it because she happens to be part of the race that tried to genocide another race? Are you really going to let 3 games worth of development for a well-known character go down the drain because certain pea-brained leaders (looking at you, Mr. Potato Brains a.k.a. Han'Gerrel vas Neema) decided they were gonna get themselves into a tussling match with a Grizzly bear because of the off chance that they might win, while everyone at camp gets a frighteningly close first-person view of the whole event? If you are, I dare say your third eye is in need of awakening, yet.
I usually play on hardcore but I had to notch it down to normal for those 3 Geth Prime before this scene. The Geth are just so much stronger than the quarians when it comes down to it... A more useful ally in the fight against the reapers.
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is the fault of the council of the citadel all this the quarianos were part of the council and the council is antisintico any should be destroyed according to the council besides the quarianos acted in the way in which any race of massive effect had acted, the council are just idiots. LEs forbid colonizing any planet and then want them not to attack the only world that can help them with their immune system
Better said, everything is the asari's fault
This goes for the ME3 conflict as well. Mark TWO consecutive Quarian-Geth conflicts, which could've been avoided had the Quarians quit while they were ahead, and just colonized some other planet (similar to what Admiral Koris had advocated). As always, for the Quarians, chest-thumping jingoism trumps logic and rational thinking. The Hell of it is, the Geth probably would've been willing to share Rannoch with them, had they offered to put aside past conflicts.
"This goes for the ME3 conflict as well. Mark TWO consecutive Quarian-Geth conflicts, which could've been avoided had the Quarians quit while they were ahead" To be fair, it was idiot admiral Han'Gerrel who advocated for war (the fact that the other admirals except for Tali just went along with it doesn't help, either), while the rest of the fleet simply wanted to live in peace and not be disturbed in anyway by anyone.
hardest choice ive made in a video game, but the right one
I could never kill Tali, or have legion's sacrifice be in vain, PEACE FTW
Oh, God. Tragic moment. Fortunately avoided! Could not assist to the death of Legion or that of Tali (the saddest)!
The first time I played this, I knew uploading the code would save the Geth. It was the paragon option so I was like "Yeah! Let's do it!" Then Tali died and I regretted everything. Q_Q
Did you keep going or reload the save?
Technically not Shepard’s fault though. There is no “incorrect” answer or true guilt.
You didn’t condemn one race or the other, you just let them witness the consequences of their own mistakes.
Unless, of course, you use a deus ex machina last second speech to convince the totally rational and completely not emotional or xenophobic people to just walk away.
The quarians brought it on themselves. This was clearly meant to be the canon outcome. There's a reason why it was by far the most chosen option 😂
I accidently got this resolution. I reloaded a save 11 HOURS BACK just to save them both. Still trying to get back to where I was. I was shaking after watching this. Call me a whimp but I almost cried
Ever since ME1, I've really liked the Quarians. There back-story, there design, everything. Eventually, they became my favourite race in the Mass Effect universe, and naturally I romanced Tali. Thankfully, on my playthrough I was able to save both races.
Watching this, though, was... painful.
And yet they allied with the Reapers, twice
They might behave logically from their standpoint, but their actions cause misery to those around them, the Quarian genocide, Eden Prime, Battle of the Citadel, Rannoch, their search for meaning in the galaxy and longing for self preservation puts them at odds with organics again and again
Also, the Quarians decided to turn of the Geth not because they feared losing cheap labor, but because they feared an AI uprising, a self fulfilling prophecy
The first time only a small faction of geth allied with the reapers, and you have the option of either destroying them or rewriting them(which is essentially brainwashing).
The second time was out of self defense. If the geth didn't ally with the reapers, they would all die from the hands of the quarians.
"They allied with the Reapers!"
**"To save themselves from _you._"**
Don't want to have to make a gut wrenching decision? Have to buy ME2...
Selim Çelik Considering ME3 a sequel to ME2, playing ME3 without playing ME2 is dumb anyways.
Because you could save both
“They made their choice...” hard line
That stupid and objectively false line considering 99% of quarians didnt want the war. Shepard knows this yet says that nonsense anyway. Just terrible writing.
This is the worst possible choice, both Legion and Tali die :,( Luckily I could picked the paragon option so I saved both species :D
Normandy crew should throw Shepard out of airlock after this. This is the REAL betrayal.
He may have sided with the Geth and turned his back on the Quarians, that much is true. As for the Quarians destruction however, that's kind of on them. Their reasons for fighting aside, they were being annihilated by the Geth and refused to retreat. They were essentially throwing their lives away for a lost cause.
Bringing this up: Does anyone from your squad says something to that? And what exactly? I had peace in my playthrough and I'm curious.
Lost cause was his home, you would not do the same for the earth
@@ThoraxetheImpaile100 Ummm they couldnt retreat because of gerrel. The civilian fleet didnt even want to be there.
GERREL brought this on the Quarian people. Civilians just had to follow. The Quarians did not bring this upon themselves. The Warmongering Gerrel did.
Rest in peace. Qwib Qwib.
I regret not knowing I had the rep points to get the peace. But you know what, after having dealt with the Geth and their bullshit in 2 games, I don't feel bad killing then all. I actually felt relived getting rid of their annoying asses.
@technojustin I know right! If I had imported an ME2 character then there is the possibility that you can save both. But just starting a new ME3 game you can't get that option.
They never did patch the broken audio in this
would you judge me if i admitted that i laughed when Quarian fleet got destroyed?
I did too lol weak ass aliens
No. I laughed on the inside.
This admiral Herrel was the one who allowed to attack the ship with Shepard, Legion and Tali on board. I don't like quarians, because they're are the most selfish race in the space.
Yes. I will judge the ever living shit out of you
Well I hate the geths traitor machines that ally with the reapers every time they can, also just when in mass effect 2 do not want to be individuals in mass effect 3, yes, and I really did not trust them so I killed those traitor machines deserve it
All Gerrel had to do was stop firing. I have no respect for anyone who tries to get rid of something they created in the first place, hence why I have no respect for someone who said they never wanted me when I was 7.
I'm all for the Geth and Quarians peach but at the end of the day much like Humanity, Quarians built their own destruction.
Only people in this demise I feel sorry for is of course Tali, Veetor, Koris and Regaar, Quarians who just wanted the war to end preferably with peace.
You're ignoring the fact though that the Quarians have a massive grudge towards the Geth for what they did during the Morning War, it's true that the Quarians instigated the conflict by ordering a shutdown of all Geth units, but by that time the Quarians still believed they had yet to reach sentience, in response though the Geth started the largest genocide until the Reapers
Then we have to remember that the Geth allied with the Reapers several times, a threat to all races
And you're ignoring that the Geth could have wiped the Quarians out during the morning war, but spared the last of them. Or that the Quarian Gov forced martial law, and murdered other Quarians for trying to stop a war in the first place.
@@lazybones69 And that's ommiting the reason why the Geth went to the Reapers the second time, The Quarians kicked off their warpath to retake Rannoch by destroying the megaproject the Geth had been working on, a Dyson Swarm that their entire civilization was meant to inhabit, destroying a sizable chunk of the Geth population in the process. This made the Geth desperate enough to seek out the Reapers to even the odds as they were now on the back foot and had no intention of just rolling over and dying like their creators desired.
The Migrant fleet Quarians hated them because all they knew was that they were driven from their homeworld,they paid the price for their ancestors stupidity,which isn't fair. Most of them didn't even want to fight the geth,except for two of the admirals. I'm very sympathetic towards the Geth,I understand their point of view,but like I said,the Quarians don't don't deserve extermination simply because of past mistakes,both deserve a second chance,and therefore making peace is the best choice.
I have imported the saves from me2 but Tali was exile then...so she didn't have any convincing power over the Quarian fleet.. And I'm differently not playing the whole game again... I love Tali..so RIP Legion T_T
I chose the Geth because the Quarians were meant to retreat to the Mass Relay after you destroyed the Geth Drednought and they didn't so. Also thats why Shepard sayed 'They made their choice'.
I had totally forgotten that plot point. They should've seriously left the Normandy to handle it. Maybe send a handful of Quarian soldiers to the Normandy to help out but they should've really gotten the fleet out of there.
@@TheHufflepuffSaint you are both blaming the millions of quarians on one stupid admiral
Meh, I never cared for those suit-rat's anyway. They brought on themselves. Idiot's decided to attack the geth while an armada of giant space squid's are out to kill everyone. Shepard's recruiting an army to fight the reaper's, not solve an idiotic war that those suit-rat's initiated in the first place.
+Matt Allen And for a bonus you don't have to hear Tali's crigneworthy singing for mancing her
RIPdixiecarter and im just gonna get ignored ...
joao neto Just about
Dumb suit rat motherfuckers shouldn't have armed the civilian fleets tbh (which was Xens choice I believe) and should have listened to me about not starting more trouble with the Geth while giant squids are trying to infiltrate the galaxy back in ME2.
And I didn't have the option for total peace.
RIPdixiecarter so what s your counter about Tali not wanting the war then? as she clearly states she dint want the war and wanted to talk to legion she only suspects Legion on the reactor of the ship because there was a chance he could be controlled by the reapers just like the other geth
An unfortunate fatality as a result of her idiot hawkish leaders.
I would have chosen peace if I was given that option
I was set there in front of my computer trying to choose for about 10 minutes on the 40% part
This is the most heart-rending thing I have seen in a long time. I could never have made this choice. Tali for ever!
I will never understand Bioware's hatred of Tali. The only thing they showed of her in the entire trilogy the LE trailer... was her death scene. Just like the og ME3 trailer, all they showed was her death scene. Even in the ME2 trailer they play audio from her death scene. She's the easiest character to kill on the suicide mission, being one of the only squadmates who's loyalty mission you can fail, and even if you do succeed you can lose her loyalty when she argues with legion. She's one of the few squadmates who can die doing the one role she's good at on the SM even if she's loyal (also likely to die on the ship), for some reason it defaults to her first for every option, despite the fact that it's not alphabetical and she will die if you pick her for most of them. Oh, she's also the only one of the 3 main squadmates (garrus, liara, tali) from the OT that doesn't even get a mention in MEA. Then of course we have ME3. Still to this day I despise bioware for how they handled this entire story arc. First off, they weren't even going to make Tali a squadmate (despite how popular she was), and only relented at the last minute because of Patrick Weekes. The worst part though is the way they portrayed the quarian/geth conflict. It's one of the most biased, one-sided campaigns that bioware has ever done. They did EVERYTHING to make you sympathize with the geth and hate the quarians, from start to finish. They even made siding with the geth the top option, knowing full well that most players play paragon. They also originally had the 2 options labeled 'allow legion to upload the code' and 'let the geth die', as opposed to 'let the quarians die' in place of the former.
Still think I'm making this up and they didn't hate Tali and the quarians? Ok, then list one instance where the quarians are involved in the story in any way, and they DON'T get slaughtered. You literally can't. In every game, every book, the comics, etc. the quarians exist only to get slaughtered. Some writer has a fetish for watching them die because it's all they do in all 3 games (hell they even managed to squeeze some more in in to a tie in novel of MEA). It wouldn't surprise me if in ME4 they make it canon that all of the quarians died. In fact I would bet on them doing it.
Tali wasn't gonna be a squadmate in me3? He should've intervened to make wrex a squadmate since he was one of the people who wrote the superior tuchanka arc. Hell I think the majority of me2 squadmates should've joined the normandy with you.
boohoo nigga
@@iustificationem5922 What a well thought out response.
Watching Tali kill herself was sad but killing legion is even sadder
Quole except for the option to broker peace
Uh no. Tali's was sadder by far Legion deserved to die
It's what they deserve.
I agree with Patrick. The admiral had it coming to him. I had spoken against his eagerness to kill the geth, and no matter how hard I tried to convince him that it could be disastrous he still insisted. It's ruthless, but his mistake was a sacrifice that his people payed, it was his choice. So no, I am unsympathetic towards a species that cannot seem to accept new ways such as seeing a synthetic species as a race. Keep in mind, he wanted to put his civilian ships at war, not very smart given the circumstance.
I wouldn't really blame all quarians, but just their idiot leaders. I mean, politicians manipulate people all the time, so convincing a whole race that the geth aren't allowed to live after driving the quarians off their planet is pretty easy.
you are wrong the whole galaxy thinks so it is the fault of the council
Some quarians sacrificed themselves for the geth, it was showed in a quest, did you even play the game?
Despite the Quarians sketchy past, I always choose them over the geth. Why? If they can create a race of brutally efficient synths, than im pretty sure they could create a giant anti reaper cannon. The Geth have always been uninteresting to me. They are basically discount Cylons.
I'm glad this didn't happen for me. I got them to cooperate.
They were cool, but they had it coming.
Uhh no
This is so depressing :C
Seems to me like they had such an anti-climatic death with tali when shepard just yells "tali,No!" Seemed like it could have been voice acted a little better
Always choose peace between quarians and geth always.
for me tali died in me2 and i had no time to replay the storie befor me3 hardest thing i ever did in me3 was sideing with the Quarians i spent 2 days irl thinking what would happen in the end i couldnt kill tali race
When the Morning war started the Quarians had a interplanetary civilization numbering in the billions, when the war ended 17 million were left
A genocide was committed
And the first Geth allies of the Reapers might have been a sub faction, but in the end the entirety of the Geth network joined the Reapers, their actions were understandable, the Quarians were close in recapturing Rannoch and reducing the Geth network to a dangerous low level, but their actions made them an enemy of all organic
To me the Quarian admiral had it coming not his people. His warmongering only pushed the geth to ally with the reapers and once another less bloody option was available he ignored it and got his race killed.
My friend told me he killed the quarians and I couldn't talk to him for the rest of the day. Just watching the scene reminds me why it's just so heart-wrenching. I would choose the quarians any day of the week (Tali for the win) but I never really have any difficulty saving both of them. Such a happy ending.
Connor Richard I'd choose the Geth, in my opinion, even if it's really depressing to kill the Quarians. :(
@@Smujge you'd make the wrong choice.
@@Quole1234 woah that's an old comment
Why the hell did I allow myself to watch this? I just watched the suicide of my favorite character and the destruction of her entire race... my soul is gone
This was the scenario I actually got when I played me3
@@TyrannosaurusCHEXidiot
Just import a save from ME2 :)
I 2as able to save them both with my high paragon i think you need the bar to be set on the second line of either paragon or renegade.
Was
You also need both Tali and Legion to be there, neither could die in ME2
It's made pretty clear that the Geth purposely AVOIDED committing genocide, by allowing the survivors of the Morning War to peacefully leave the planet; they wanted to defeat, rather than wipe out the Quarians, whom they honored the memory of once they had control of the planet. As to the Reapers, also remember that the Heretics (the Geth who fought for them) were a splinter faction, as opposed to the majority who opposed putting their species development in the hands of another species.
Tali died in my ME2 ):
Idiot
how do i save tali in me2 if i saved her from exile?
I lol'd my ass of at this
Well duh making peace would have been the best solution but I didn't have that option so the next best thing was sparing the Geth from extermination.
This outcome stuck with me; hit me harder than I expected. I had to put my controller down and step out for a smoke to calm down. Still cute this moment as one of the best in the series.
What are you talking about? The Quarians hated the Geth for no good reason. Tali, Veetor and Kal 'Reegar treated the Geth like blood thirsty monsters, like villians which couldn't be further from the truth. If I had destroyed the Geth instead of the Quarians that would send a message that it is ok to discriminate against an entire race of people because of your own ignorance.
I guess it's all a matter of opinion,I'm glad I didn't have to choose,I would've spent an hour on the dialog wheel.
Definitely one of those Mass Effect moments of "damned if you do and damned if you don't" Either way it's gonna hurt.
So satisfying lol! Sorry Tali but Legion is my homie!
@@Quole1234 Glad you finally saw the truth brother!
@@ReasonablySizedChungusya, you're right. Preach
@@Quole1234 Keep deleting your comments buddy!
@baseball4evPC It's 2am. I stayed up just for this - and I wasn't disappointed :D
That's the funny thing, that was the good choice. Saving Legion and the Geth over the Quarians was good in ME3, at least it gives Paragon points.
Did anyone have the scene after this? talking with javik, I'm really curious to know what would he say
he basically says he was glad to see another reaper fall and to not mourn Tali's death but rather the fact she died and the Geth lived.
cool! anyway I would like to watch it
Thanks!
Tell me about it. Manly tears were shed when I first made this choice.
Gotta be honest, that scene made me tear up first time I saw it, ever since I saw it I've made it my goal to get the quarians and geth to work together
I saved the Quarians. They're organic, and the whole goal of your Mass Effect battle is to defeat the evil synthetics, the Reapers. I know the Geth are NOT anything like the Reapers, but they've been influenced by them before, the Heretics. When you're fighting a war to defeat a synthetic race, and you're an organic, and you must make a choice between an organic race or a synthetic race, I would choose organic. That was my logic. I'm still very sorry for the Geth's destruction.
Oh god, I wish I hadn't watched that.
Julio Chao I don't think you understand that the Geth are technically the protagonists of that situation, since they're just defending themselves from the Quarians,, hence why the Geth Juggernaut at the end says "We regret the death of the creators." Unlike the Quarians, who simply wanted to kill them or experiment on them. Obviously, the best option is to save both, since they then work together. :D
That's actually wrong. Most of the quairans didnt want the war and this was explained in the game. The geth are actually not the heroes of this situation. Remember the geth tried to wipe out all life int he galaxy in ME1 and ME2 and the true geth jsut allowed the heretics to do it without trying to warn anyone. they are just as at fault. On top of that they sided with the reapers instead of just leaving rannoch, a planet that holds no strategic value to them. They should have just left but they stayed for no reason.
Saving both is not really a cop out. Quarians did not deserve death, due to the actions of a bull headed admiral. The Geth deserved a chance for independence and to live. Both is the only paragon (or ethical) choice really, to pass that kind of judgement on two species we know hardly anything about would be unethical. The reward for being fantastic and getting both sides to agree to peace was worth playing though. To me this ending and the other doesn't happen, its both or didn't happen.
I wouldn't call it a cop-out Id call it what the game stands for despite our differences working together for the greater good. Like the Allies did in WWII except they broke apart. In another play through I chose the Geth and It devastated me but damn it all the Quarians brought this on themselves. They played god and got bit in the ass for it. However I believe saving both is the right decision co-existence denying the catalysis his reason for the cycle denying the reapers.
Moral of the story: do not start a war with the geth
yeah Shepard, you're a hero, mumbling "Tali, no" while trying to save after YOU let her entire race to be wiped out by a bunch of machines
Quarians had it coming.
no they didnt.
@@Quole1234 yes they did
@@WhenInDarknessSeekTheLight no they didnt
@@WhenInDarknessSeekTheLight No they didn't. First off, the you are saying the millions of children on the fleet deserve to die. Didnt think that through did you? Second, the geth allowed the heretics to join the reapers in their quest to wipe out all life and didnt try to warn anyone, making them equally guilty. They are the true villains here.
Tali's death is the stupidest moment I've yet encountered (right next to Wrex on Virmire, and im sure the ending) in this whole series.
lol same boat do mine would be more ahem...emotional not just BOOM I am commander shepard and this is my favorite space in the Geth home world c:
when you think about it this is really all Tali's fault. when her entire species is moments away from a suicidal attack the best response she comes up with the halt this attack is "admiral please stop". Like i get it from a mechanical perspective they want Shepard to be the one to talk him down based on his reputation and he doesn't step down when Shepard tells him this is suicidal so at least come up with a reason why she can't elaborate about the Geth returning to full strength like he closed the comm channel or she is knocked out or something.
To be fair, it's even worse if tali dies in ME2; the quarian admiral you get to replace her (Shala'Raan vas Tonbay) doesn't do anything at all to stop the fleet from attacking, not even contacting Gerrel; she just essentially says "Don't do this" to Shepard and then "Damn you all!" when you choose the Geth.
It seems silly and definitely doesn't make sense in some cases. Like, they could have had Shep attempt to talk to them afterwards and then Gerrel cuts him off the line halfway with a quick rebuke and continues attacking, or Tali does the same thing rather than doing a half-hearted attempt, or w/e.
I know its a few years late but what the fuck
Why would you choose Not-Legion over Best Girl
I'll do you one better. I know it's like twice as many years later but like... why would you kill the Geth? They're pretty much innocent.
@@Mun3001s no they aren't. the geth sided with the reapers on numerous occasions.
@@Quole1234 After being invaded and on the brink of exticintion because of Quarian aggression .
@@WhenInDarknessSeekTheLight they also sided with the reapers before this in ME1. The true geth allowed the heretics to do that, and didn't warn anyone.
@@Quole1234 Same with Cerberus and Humanity imao
Keelah se'Lai.
Uhm,, why does the Quarians have to die by the Geth? Legion promised the Geths alliance with Shepard against the Reapers....so why not the Quarians too? Geth with enough Intelligence so any single one has its own Induvidual...so they attack their Creators?
Also the Geth may have the Inteliigence of the Reapers, but the indoctrination is an ability, not a form of intelligence...so sooner or later the Reapers might indoctrinate the Geth again and then have a Huge Fire Arm power. I only Judge from this Video, because i wanted to know (and see) how the Geth kill the Quarians, but its not explained why.
The Quraians want to destroy the Geth and retake their homeworld and don't want peace the Geth just want to be left alone and are forced to defend themselves
That's a lie. The geths were isolated for 300 years and they were highly hostile, they just made peace in the 3rd game why they were losing the war, before of that that they were hostile to everything and the quarians saw that the only option was war
@@carlossabogal2970 Because everyone was hostile to them they even let the Qurians go and Everytime did they try to communicate no they just saw them as machines and the Geth acted accordingly
@@WhenInDarknessSeekTheLight where are you getting this info from? the geth never tried to communicate with the quarians. All legion says is that the quarians attacked every time they thought they could win, which is understandable considering they were at war.