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Yeah take it easy. However, Dungeon Meshi > Frieren. Maybe do next ep 11 and 12 in 1 go this week. 11 is a big cliffhanger
hell to the nah in every way, as someone who watches both. Frieren cast, characters, music, animation, lore, story > Meshi@@JohnSmith42374
@@JohnSmith42374 bro's on an agenda. dungeon is good but only a 7/10.
@@sorakirisaki5330 That could be said of anyone with an opinion- there's no objective standard and committee that decides these things. But if you were to go by a list of criteria you are going to find Frieren beyond the hype sorely lacking. Having read the manga for both you will see Meshi gets better and better, Frieren gets worse.
Just my opinion, unless you like stunted story telling in Frieren. I prefer the complete adventure and variety of Meshi
@@sorakirisaki5330 dungeon meshi is only getting started. Frieren's at the end of 2 cours, has a stronger start, and got a 10/10 masterwork adaptation by madhouse. Meshi is only halfway through the season and is even slower burn than Frieren, lol. Understandable that Meshi may seem weaker at this point - particularly given the adaptation by trigger, which uhhh has some pros and cons - but Meshi if anything arguably has stronger source material than Frieren. Albeit that won't really kick off until cour 3/4, assuming that we - hopefully - get a 2 cour S2 for both shows. Overall comparing the two back to back is somewhat unfair since they're very, very different kinds of stories that cover very, VERY similar material and ideas, and should honestly be both appreciated on their own merits for the amazing series that they are, but I digress.
TLDR; triggered at someone calling meshi a 7/10 (and at its current MAL rating lol). Though given the present point in the story that's perfectly understandable.
Both Meshi and Frieren to be clear are 10/10 manga. For slightly different reasons. Actually, Frieren if anything might only be a 9/10, but the anime massively elevates and improves on the original work. Meshi if anything might be the opposite, despite an overall excellent - but very trigger-ey - adaptation so far.
For a handful of (manga) comparisons, with no spoilers: Frieren has slightly better / more interesting character studies. Arguably. Meshi has a larger cast. And an enormous amount of character development. Both series are very episodic, although frieren is arc-driven, and meshi feels incredibly (and maybe annoyingly) episodic / food-dish of the week, until... it isn't. Both series have pretty great worldbuilding, though the world in frieren exists largely on a bog-standard every-anime-ever dragon quest setup, with sometimes very well fleshed out ideas (the magic system! demon ecology!), and some that are much less so. Meshi OTOH is EXTREMELY well fleshed out and thought through in just about every way imaginable, and has a strong D&D (and baldur's gate / planescape torment) basis. With a truly excellent, character-driven plot / conflict that seemingly comes out of nowhere halfway through the series, and only gets better from there on out.
Both are great deconstructions + reconstructions of their respective fantasy genres (ie. dragon quest and D&D respectively), and should really be thought about as such.
Meshi if anything IS classic epic fantasy - or at least turns into that eventually - whereas Frieren OTOH is actually a road movie, with deep character studies, about self-discovery, coming of age, et al. Combat and fights are actually fairly ancillary to BOTH series, but for different reasons. Note how for example the entire mage certification exam is technically just a sidequest / story quest to let frieren et al get through a door (in classic videogame fashion, lol)
the moment we realize Frieren's full mana = Serie's concealed mana 😂 Girl is a freaking monster
all that mana comes with a drawback... being a tsundere.
like we learned the amount of mana doesn't say shit, you can lose against someone that knows how to beat you
Kanne f.e. never would stand a chance against frieren, but she herself said she can't imagine beating her in rain
@@JustCauseFan Yeah but we also know that Serie knows nearly all spells of humanity and can give them to you. aka she def can also manipulate water. Serie has a lot of mana plus a lot of spells. it'd be difficult to beat her as a mage.
A bit of a spoiler here. Frieren herself admits later on that she can't even picture a scenario that she can fight Serie, not win, simply fight mind you. Serie is the most powerful mage in the world period.
If there ever was someone that could take on the Demon King in single combat it's Serie. But, she would lose in the end because Serie is a battle junkie that would want to face anyone alone, and facing the Demon King alongside all the other generals he would have with him, which we know they were absolute monsters...yeah she wouldn't survive. She might have killed some of them, but in the end the Demon King would kill her.
Himmel's party won because they fought as a party under the leadership of Himmel who, as it will be shown was a beast of a strategist.
@@JustCauseFan yeah, but frieren actually says that she can't even imagine herself beating Serie at all, and that Serie reigns supreme over all the mages of this era. Serie is a combo of power + knowledge, which makes it borderline impossible, to not say impossible for any mage to beat her in a 1v1. Frieren mentioned she can't imagine beating a water mage during the water, this wouldn't be a problem for Serie because, as she knows almost ALL spells ever written in humanity's history, she must also known how to manipulate water, so there would be no problems for her.
I will steal this from a reddit comment but it is so beautiful to think that Flamme has taught Frieren how to conceal her mana for the sole propose of killing demons, it was a technique created for revenge against demons and yet IT FAILED against the demon king. All those centuries of training to perfect that mana concealment for the sake of revenge wasn’t any help against the Demon king and yet the flower creating spell that Flamme has taught to Frieren out of love has brought Frieren and the hero party together which resulted the death of demon king. It goes to show that it was not the strongest or the most deceiving spells that was the most important but the peaceful one that made people happy and brought them together
I love that The demon king seems to be reasonably stand up to his hype as one of the powerful beings in this world.. And hes just not a pushover for the story to have happened
People tend to overlook Serie has a special level of perception, hence Frieren stating "Serie's intuition is always right".
I love it. The one spell that Flamme taught Frieren that wasn't for revenge ended up being the catalyst for the eventual heroes party.
The point about the flower spell changing the entire world is very accurate. Flamme's plan was all about mana suppression, but here we find out that (according to Serie) the Demon King saw through it immediately. So it was a spell of peace, a spell of the love for magic that was the real cause of putting the ingredients together that could defeat the Demon King.
14:06 I love how Fern couldn't say that Frieren was her teacher to Richter because she was so angry with her, but after seeing how thoughtful and caring Frieren is, she proudly stated "I am Ms. Frieren's Student" to Serie, even if it meant she might not pass the exam.
Fern being a brat like usual ^^
Now explaining her "disappointment" comments (both to Frieren and to her human students). First people need to understand this: Serie ADORES POTENTIAL. If she sees potential in anyone, she IS GONNA want to see this potential reach their limits. Ok now here we go:
1) Frieren: the reason why Serie really is petty with Frieren is bc she thinks Frieren is a wasted potential. Frieren literally spent CENTURIES supressing her mana walking in the forest, doing....nothing basically, while the humans were evolving. In Serie's mind, magic is to be used in wars, to fight. In Flamme and Frieren's minds, magic can also be used to bring happiness and beauty to the world (the flower field for example). So for Serie, Frieren is like a genius child that is playing with toys, while they could be doing so much more.
2) Her human students. First i need to clarify: Serie loves each of her students. She is just capping when she is harsh. So, the reason Serie keeps calling them a "disappointment" (and part of the reason she didn't want humans to learn magic) is bc it's also a wasted potential. In what sense, you ask? Well, this is related to their lifetime. In Sense's mind (and she is not wrong in this one) humans CAN NEVER reach their true potential, bc they die too soon. But even so she STILL takes human mages as her students. It's like if you want a 95 years old person to become the greatest professional in their area, for example....you simply have no expectations this person will even reach great achievements. That's why she only takes TRUE talented people as her students.
And i do think most people overlooked this: dude, Serie just said Lernen could possibly win against Frieren, like.....that's what i meant when i said she takes really talented people to teach.
Also, for people complaining why she failed so many people: if she had passed all of them, she'd basically sending them to their death. They would be allowed in places only first-class mages could reach, and then, if they didn't have enough skills, they could die. So in the end she's doing what she thinks it's right.
I kind of agree with #1 in that Serie and Frieren have differing viewpoints on magic , but your example of mana suppression isn't the best example given that Serie does it too.
If it was truly pointless, Serie wouldn't bother doing it too.
Like you pointed out in #2, Serie is capping that she hates her human subjects.
She did hate Flamme's dying request of guiding Human Magic and still comments on how she shouldn't take human students, but as you can see with Fern, she does actually still want to take in exceptional humans.
She also has a greenhouse full of flowers while claiming that flower field magic is ridiculous.
As you can see, you couldn't take what Serie says at face value.
Either she's a straight up liar, or like Frieren... her subconscious feelings haven't caught up with her thoughts. And Flamme changed Serie changed Serie without the latter realizing it.
@@markmywords3817 Serie doesn't suppress her mana because there is a point; she does it because it reminds her of flamme. Shes grieving still.
I feel she’s “disappointed” not because of wasted potential but because her students will die. She can’t admit that it saddens her
@@familyvalue5588 To a mage who knows most (if not all) magic spells and has a ton of aura, mana suppression may be "wasteful"on Serie.
True, learning the skill could be inefficient in terms of optimizing learning other wartime spells, but that assumes that:
1. more techniques mean stronger mages
2. techniques don't improve over time.
For #1 we've already seen Zoltraak evolve in a few human generations. And Frieren kept Fern's fighting style to be as simple as possible, and yet effective against most mages.
For #2, the tactical viability of mana suppression has passed on to Flamme > Frieren > Fern to the point where the Fern's stealth ability proved useful/troublesome during the bird and labyrinth exam, respectively.
So it wasn't exactly pointless. Inefficient, maybe, but pointless, no.
In the world of Frieren, if you cannot envision it, you cannot make it real.
And I believe that since Fern is probably the first human that has started mana suppression at a young age, she can imagine it the easiest to believe that mana suppression to be a practical ability, in the same way Ubel was able to imagine cutting an "impenetrable" cloak.
@@familyvalue5588with that said, I kind of agree with the interpretation that Serie was greatly affected by Flamme's passing, hence the efforts to preserve all of Flamme's legacy.
Denken with Laufen is just a bit of a joke that Denken is treating her like a granddaughter. They have no blood relation and I believe they met at the Exam. So that's it, funny little gag.
That's sometimes how the world spins, I had grandparents not related but just happened to be older people in the neighboorhood. The man just had the same profession as my dad and we shared being foreign in the area we lived in. That's maybe funny but also a beautiful touch.
Serie's dialogue is written to be ambiguous. She doesn't hate humans. She's really frustrated that they live such short lives that their potential is never fully realized regardless of how powerful they become. When it seemed like she was trash talking Lernen she was bemoaning the fact that he had managed to become a very powerful mage but his life was about to end and he wouldn't become more powerful, and that's what pisses her off about having human apprentices. She's not mad at them nor thinks they suck. She thinks it sucks that they don't get a few centures to develop their talents, and even if she complains about it, she keeps teaching those she sees as talented like all the First Class Mages that work directly for her.
She was simply giving Lernen the tiger-mom passive aggressive "push". Shame the kids into pushing harder and rising higher. If you watch again more closely, she wasn't really complaining about his impending end of life, but more about his cowardice - she hated that he was saying that he was not qualified to assess Frieren (implying that he was at a lower level than Frieren and he was just lucky to see the fluctuation etc.).
And as you will see in the next episode, it worked.
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@@工用-y4k He gets zip out of it cuz she ain't having any of that nonsense. Once again Frieren proves to be the better mage/person. Oh and Serie said he could win against Frieren not that he would. He gets no victory out of this and I think Serie knew that too. I believe it was just another jibe at Frieren because she won't be the "obedient granddaughter," as well as the 1000 year band. For such a long lived powerful mage, she's such a petty little girl.
@@skycladobserver9246 But the fact is that Frieren is weaker than her peers at her age because she wouldn't devote her life to getting stronger. It's like a student that just wouldn't study and insisted on a YOLO lifestyle but wanted to apply for her scholarship anyway. Of course she would reject her. It's also reasonable that her best human student would seek to challenge to prove the worth of human mages, after the master gave him reassurance that just because he was human it didn't mean that he would necessarily be weaker than Frieren; all he needed was dump his humility and get some courage.
Himmel wasn't even looking at the flowers, gosh i love this show.
Not sure if yall caught it, but Lernen is the creator of the escape golems. Might be easier now that you have a face to put the name to
When Himmel says "I thought it was beautiful", his eyes are looking up in his recollection.
He must have thought that looking at the Frieren, I think.
Serie proves that tsunderes predates human civilization
I'm glad you guys were able to understand Series' character, that she is in a conflict with herself. A lot of reaction channels just treat her as if she is a "villain figure" or a bad person, but that is hardly the case. Serie simply has her own values that doesn't align with Frieren's, but it does not make her wrong or bad in any case. In fact, serie is wise and is in touch with the world, she was the one that first told Frieren the implication of Flamme's accomplishment, and about the coming of era of humans. It is quite disappointing to me when reaction channels somehow just overlook that and viewSeries through a predetermined lens they have in their mind.
Yeah, but she's still petty enough to fail Frieren despite saying just a few scenes earlier that she's so powerful she threw off the entire exam. Obviously Frieren's ability is beyond those of a first-class mage, but her difference with Serie on values gets Serie to fail her. It's also obvious that Serie is frustrated by the fact that she doesn't understand Freiren, but Frieren understands and trusts Serie to pass Fern.
@@kaguya6900 Its not just pettiness, its becs she doesn't agree with her value on magic, and for her age Frieren isn't as accomplished as Serie has hoped for.
Also, more than the fact that Frieren trust Serie to pass Fern, this part showcases more of Serie's fairness as even if she doesn't particularly like Fern, she recognizes talent, and as she says "she isn't stupid enough to pass on those with truetalent."
It's not that Frieren simply trusts Serie. It's that Serie has this just side to her and her intuition is always right. Its because Serie has this fair side, that Frieren can say that. This is not just blind trust.
@@yuyu246 Who ever said "blind trust?" I said that Frieren understands Serie, and trust from understanding is anything but blind. I see Serie's failing of Frieren as something akin to a professor of music failing a student who fulfilled all the requirements because the student decided to go into jazz rather than classical. (It isn't a perfect analogy because no analogy is perfect.) Serie's "last chance" wasn't to perform some enormous feat of magic that an ambitious thousand-year-old mage could perform. It was to choose her favorite magic--a test of values rather than strength or ability. It's simply because Serie doesn't value Frieren's approach to magic that she failed her.
And it wouldn't matter if the only benefit of being a first-class mage was to receive a pat on the head from Serie and a spell of their choosing. Instead, the title is a passport to the northern lands, and a symbol of prestige for most of the rest of the continent, but Serie is treating it as her personal reward (at least where Frieren is concerned).
As for Serie's attitude toward Fern, I don't think Serie even noticed Fern very much before the interview, so she didn't have any (or at least many) preconceived notions, unlike her attitude towards Frieren. Then when Fern noticed the fluctuations that even Lernen didn't notice at his age, Serie became so excited, she wanted another human as a student even though she had just said a few scenes earlier that humans always disappoint her. I think Serie realized that she can't fail a student to whom she offered a position as her own disciple, and instead allowed Fern to pass.
@@kaguya6900 "As for Serie's attitude toward Fern, I don't think Serie even noticed Fern very much before the interview, so she didn't have any (or at least many) preconceived notions" Yes, she did have preconceived notions, because Fern's is Frieren's student.
"I think Serie realized that she can't fail a student to whom she offered a position as her own disciple, and instead allowed Fern to pass." Dunno where you even got this from. It is literally Serie respecting talent when she sees one. Which is why you said Frieren trusted Serie to pass her, Series intuition is always right, and she knows when someone is talented.
You are literally contradicting the whole thing you are stating with Frieren trusting Serie, by saying Serie only didn't fail Fern just becs Serie asked Fern to be her disciple.
You wrote 3 paragraphs just to twist Serie's good intentions in a more negative light. Serie is never a villain, just becs you don't like some of her actions doesn't make her bad, neither does that mean all her decisions come from a negative place. The manga/anime is already very clear with explaining Serie's values and how her intuition is correct. Sure, there is definitely a thing to be argues with whether Frieren should have passed, but it is clear Serie has her own values and virtue and it clearly shows with her decision to pass Fern. Stop clouding objective facts with your own preference in characters. The conversation is pointless if you already walked in thinking Serie is just a "petty" character, or what have you, with no virtual of her own.
The reason i love Serie is bc how cap she is LMAO
First of all, i love Serie's pettiness. But anyway. Serie is a big tsundere. Let's analyze this calmly:
*she said she trained Flamme on whim, but still went on a walk with Frieren just remembering Flamme
*she said she wouldn't carry Flamme's will, but she LITERALLY created the magic association
*she says it was a waste of time repressing her mana, but she still do it anyway
*she said she doesn't like to take human students, but she still remembers every single one of them (Flamme, Sense, Lernen) and even how each of them behave
*she calls the flower field spell "useless" while in a room full of flowers (cause she obviously liked Flamme)
Love her
I bet she secretly wants a hug and head pat from Methode too
It's probably a defence mechanism to compensate for all the loss she's experienced over her very long life.
I just can’t fully like her. Regardless of what her true intentions are, she still presents as someone who nobody wants to be around lmfao.
@@buildinasentry1046 *[SPOILERS BELOW]*
> someone who nobody wants to be around
Methode next episode: "Well, Fern said the other one was taken, so I guess I'm keeping this one..."
10:05 Kraft is not a Mage. He is a Monk, a warrior priest. A front line fighter.
i.e. He doesn't have magic or use spells.
All living beings in this world have mana. So Kraft has mana. Stark has mana. The thing is that only mages and priest convert that mana into magic. I suspect that warriors and monks convert mana into their physical power directly. They don't cast spells but they can do physical things that are completely outrageous like carrying several tons to killing dragons with a single blow. I suspect that they are using their mana to enhance their physical strength. But it's a completely different concept that is more subconscious and intuitive.
@@bernieburton6520 Also, Heiter compared his mana to Frieren's, confirming that priests _do_ have mana, they just use it differently, to cast spells from the holy scriptures instead of ones developed by humanoids, as Sein explained.
(And monks aren't warrior priests, they're unarmed fighters; Kraft was probably using mana to slap people around to save them from Übel, but he wasn't using magic, divine or otherwise. It's not clear that they even _have_ to be religious, even if Kraft definitely is.)
Linie the little demon girl said she coud see Eisen's mana to copy his moves
Think of it like in Elden ring, ash of war needs fp to cast, so take Stark’s lighting strike as an example, it takes mana to execute, just less than what a spell from a mage would need
I'm replying to all 3 of you to make this easy:
I know all living things have some mana even if that mana is relatively minute compared to mages and traditional priests who use the goddesses magic. What I should have said is he doesn't have magic SO I'm going to edit it to make that correction so I don't get 20 more replies all stating the same thing you did, because my main point is correct. Kraft isn't a mage and doesn't use spells.
Great to see y'all back.
17:30 Flamme described herself and Serie as mages from an era of conflict. It's so ingrained in them that they cannot imagine themselves living in a peaceful world where the Demon King no longer exists. Whether they were powerful enough or even wanted to defeat the Demon King, it didn't matter because they couldn't imagine a peaceful era.
19:00 Serie is def being a tsundere as a coping mechanism. She's great.
30:20 With how the manga is structured, a movie wouldn't really work. I guess they maybe could for some of the later arcs... but I agree, I hope they don't go that route. I just want this entire production crew to stick together until the end of the series. I know that's unrealistic, but god I wish.
The golden city arc would be perfect as a movie. Even the goddess monument arc would work fine.
@@brunomarques7713The goddess monument arc would hurt in such a good way. It’s not a very long arc, nor does anything super super dramatic happen, but by god that arc is so good
Note that when Himmel said "it was beautiful" he was looking up, not down. He was not commenting about the flowers.
Love how this episode point out how Serie being a tsuntsundere.
Consider Sense idealism to not kill participant just like that, praising Lernen as he in the same level as demon king, do the final test in a room full of flower cause Flamme like it, while keep saying harsh words all the time.
It hard to believe Kraft and Serie not knowing each other, Serie someway must take a part in Kraft heroic journey long time ago.
As a manga reader Serie, Richter and Denken were my mvp for this arc and after seeing the anime I can confirm this
30:20 - "plz no movie"
sad chainsaw man hours.... can't wait to see part 2 animated in the year 2047
16:44 "I like Serie at the end of the day" wow....a nice rare sight on youtube, mostly if we're talking about reactors in general😂 i just imagine Serie appearing in S2 and the same people being like "ugh her again?" LMAO
People call Serie petty but never forget: there is no one more petty than some reactors LOL
I have been checking youtube all weekend for this reaction from the BC Duo!
I can't believe it took me this long to realize that Serie is basically the elf version of an Asian Tiger Mum. The reason she's so petty with Frieren is cause she thinks that Frieren is wasting her time playing around instead of buckling down and studying magic "properly". It's like a mum pushing her kid to be a doctor or lawyer and the kid's just like "Nah, I'd rather sit in the woods for a thousand years practicing this one weird skill that nobody ever bothers with."
Hope we also get dungeon meshi soon
you can tell they're totally dialed in to the story when they can finish the sentences of the dialog before it happens XD
Denken is quiet old actually, you guys will learn about him more in future arc
Imagine a master setting up an exclusive scholarship that's reserved for hard studying elite students to go to good universities, only to have this old student that somehow already graduated from a top university to apply.
The master asked, "I know you, you're not the study type, and you already went to college. Not sure why you're here. But I'll give you one last chance: are you going to study hard now"
The student said "who cares about study. Not my favorite thing to do. YOLO".
The master said, "Truly useless. You fail."
The student said, "shrug. Who gives a monkey's ass about your lame scholarship in the first place."
The master said "I still cannot believe some lazy student like you somehow got into Harvard."
The student said "heh I had friends help. Friends? You know what that means?"
You think she will get that scholarship? You think she should get that scholarship? No.
when serie caresses the flowers...that's because she is reminded of flamme.
Poor Kanne, but also I get it. She doesn't feel like she's "at the height of magic" like someone like Sense. Same with Scharf or Ehre. I feel like Denken will pass, and Ubel will pass.
It makes sense in a nice way character wise. Even before seeing Serie, they’ve all witnessed people who would magically out power/outskill them magically (Kanne with Lawine who she’s close to, Ehre’s whole thing with Fern, Scharf is skilled but it’s also been made apparent that he has a lot of flaws and tires easily/has a lot of openings when not in a group and etc). If they can’t imagine beating a fellow mage they’ve worked beside with, how can they even imagine going up against Serie? So even if it does feel a bit unfair, it does make sense in a way you can’t really object to.
My bets on who passes are Übel, Methode, and Denken.
Übel has beaten two first class mages at this point (even if they were stacked in her favour and how she does magic is just so different from everyone else it just makes her an incredibly interesting case. She also probably wouldn’t be afraid of Serie and Serie would have no problem with her more violent tendencies. However, Serie might find her approach to magic distasteful and Übel herself acknowledged Denken and Methode are better than her.
Denken was previously acknowledged as being basically a first class mage but just never bothering to get certified. The biggest obstacle to him would be Serie questioning his conviction (we know he has a similar philosophy to magic as Frieren) and her considering him to be too old and thus a waste to be a first class mage.
Methode is incredibly powerful and also specializes in mana detection. She is probably the closest thing to a “typical first class mage candidate” in this round of exams. (I also just know from discussions she at least is an important character moving forward, doesn’t necessarily mean she’ll be a first class mage though).
The only other people we haven’t seen are Land and Wirbel. They both seem like they could eventually be first class mages but I don’t know if they will get it this time.
If by your prediction Ubel will pass, then Wirbel can easily pass as well. Seeing he drew against her, immediately realize Ubel is a horrible match up for Sense and sounds to be unhinged enough as he is a solider on the frontline
The beauty is that the useless spell that creates flower inspired Himmel to begin his quest. That useless spell changed the world.
Yall got confused on one point: Flamme had the drive, the love for magic, and potential; fern on the other hand has no drive yet, she has THE potential. And to Serie that's what matters. Fern has constantly shown and said that she likes magic, yet she doesn't pursue it. To her, it's kinda like a hobby
imagination is probley the most basic of basic magic systems because its magic it can do anything you can theoretically imagine anything so it makes sense but Friern is different it takes the idea of imagination instead of using it as a way to let you do anything its used as a restriction if your other emotions or just logic says you cant do something if your a normal person (so not ubel) you wouldn't be able to imagine it and it applies to so much wit its magic system not just casting spells its so cool witch is why ubel is my favorite character in this show she just breaks its completely it makes her and the magic system that much more interesting. This show is just so good I loved this show before but with this arc doing things I never expected nor it needed to exploring other characters and its magic system. This comment probley makes more sense for last episode then this one but it does kinda apply hear so eh.
30:47 "Carson is not an elf" confirmed
When you started talk about Fern getting old I suddenly felt weird sadness.
One unspoken aspects of the show that I like is the background of the characters that leads them to a certain attitude, in this case the war orphans and their relationship with magic. In this so-called era of peace, we also have the development of Zoltraak and, consequently, warring nations. Most kids who live through war probably see magic as destructive, horrible and ugly.
For Frieren, Himmel and Fern, they were all ambivalent about magic until someone showed them a bed of flowers. Give Serie a few more centuries to mull on this and she'll get there.
It's not been a good day for Serie.
I love how this plays out.
Serie to Kanne: That which cannot be visualized cannot be. You fail.
Flamme to Serie: You can't beat the demon king. You can't imagine bringing peace.
Frieren: My favorite spell makes a field of flowers.
Serie to Frieren: Flamme's magic? What a useless spell. You fail.
Frieren (Shrugs): Okay
Serie, obviously annoyed: How did you defeat the demon king?
Frieren: I didn't do it alone. If any of us had not been there that day, we would have failed.
Frieren (smiles): So you know, that spell you don't like is the reason Himmel recruited me.
Oof.
And that was before Fern was offered a chance to possibly attain something similar to Serie's absurd levels of strength...
To which Fern just shrugs. After all, the world is at peace. The time that such power was important ended 80 years ago. Ended by Himmel the Fake Hero, Heiter the corrupt priest, Eisen the cowardly warrior, and Friren the lazy mage.
That has got to sting. All that power. All that time. Never took a shot at changing the world, and now it's too late
Fern made an easy call.
Serie is totally lying when she says that Flower Bed magic is useless and pointless. To begin with, if it's a spell that Flamme knew, presumably it was Serie that taught her it. And she's literally standing in a garden of flowers as she's saying all this.
She's just disappointed that in Frieren's career choices XD
@@Birthday888 Nope Flamme herself said that her parents teach her the flower bed spell and that she started loving magic from that moment.
PD: though you are right she contradicts herself by saying the spell is useless while she is using it same as mana supressing
@@Daiivys Ah, then my bad. But yeah. She very clearly loves flowers and heavily associates them with Flamme, so her calling Flamme's favorite spell useless is clearly just her being contrary because it doesn't line up with her expectations for Frieren.
Serie is just a conservative grandparent being disappointed by their hippie granddaughter "wasting" their potential XD
@@Birthday888 quite literally xD she's just the meme of "Kids this days"
@@Daiivys With the difference that she has outlived (and will keep on outliving) all her _"kids"._ Which is unfathomably tragic, and explains why she tries so hard to emotionally distance herself (even if she clearly isn't succeeding).
damn, 1 episode left.... kinda sad knowing it will take a while for season 2, probably.
guess i have to get myself a frieren-mindset now 😮💨
dont worry next episode you will know why Land is the biggest troll there is to that exam
Kraft isn't a mage. So he doesn't have a large mana pool he's been growing.
Serie may be my favorite character, she's certainly most complex so far
I think Serie wants to see her students surpass her and has seen human mage with greater innate talent than herself, but because of their life span it is simply impossible for them. As for Frieren she's probably the only one who could actually surpass Serie but lack the grindset to do so.
Elf feet fandom is insaaane. 😅frierens is on another level though. 😅❤
I'm willing to wait a couple of years for the next two cours of Frieren if it means that the director is able to do another season of Bocchi the Rock between seasons one and two of Frieren..
well played boldcast you just made my day 👏
i am curious if 'see you later' at the preview means a hint at season 2 coming up? hmm...
I think, this episode is a setup for a future conflict between Serie and Frieren.
Serie is looking for students with personal ambitions and desire to learn from the greatest living mage. She loves magic on its own, and wants to be around people who share her passion. She likes both researchers (like Flamme or Lernen) and fighters (like Genau), because they commit to learning magic as hard as Serie herself.
I believe Serie has enough skills to solve most of humanity's great challenges singlehandedly (like winning the war against Demon King). But it would be a horrible thing to do. Serie doesn't want to be an immortal baby-sitter, who forces people to behave and solves their problems. It's better when people are able and willing to take care of themselves.
So, Serie is not a warmonger, and not killing the Demon King was a correct decision. Killing all bad guys becomes a bad idea when you're actually able to kill anyone you want.
When Serie asked Frieren about her favorite spell, it was implied that the correct answer is anything novel, amazing, or powerful. Frieren answered with the oldest and "the least magical" of her spells, rejecting everything Serie loves about magic. They understand each other's approach well, and knowingly reject it.
I don't think Frieren believes in "the greatest joy of magic lies in searching for it" anymore. She wants to connect with people. That's why the "flower field" spell is so valuable to her. Taking small quests and learning silly spells both serve this purpose.
Fern also rejected the offer. But unlike Frieren she rarely thinks well about her decisions, so Serie didn't take it as a final answer. She even made a comment about Frieren's coaching in Fern's answers. As Fern said to Sense, she doesn't understand what she wants. Instead, Fern obeys authority of her teachers, Heiter and then Frieren.
I think, Serie will make an attempt to take Fern from Frieren by winning her respect. As long as Fern doesn't have her own ideals, it will work.
I have to disagree with your idea that Frieren doesn't see searching for magic to be the greatest joy in magic. Frieren may not see it as the greatest joy in life anymore, but she still finds that joy in magic. She'll halt their journey for months for a chance to get a grimoire. She constantly winds up in the mouths of mimics for that one-percent chance that there's a grimoire in there. I think she gets as much joy out of the search as always, it's just that she's learned (or re-learned) the joys of traveling with companions too.
Serie (and Flamme) couldn't imagine a world without conflict, so they couldn't visualize themselves defeating the demon king.
We'll see next episode if the last five pass or fail. And we'll probably have another chapter or two to conclude it.
I think it's understandable to find the year(s) delays between seasons or even movies to be fatiguing, it's still better than the old way of anime-only endings that prevent more seasons, or continual airings with endless filler and budgets stretched thin. You gotta remember the main reason there are long delays is to allow time for the manga to catch up. S1 adapted about 60 chapters which is about a year and three months worth of manga, accounting for break weeks and whatnot. There's ~120 chapters right now so they kind of have to wait a minimum of a year to allow for a sizable buffer. That and a new season would likely only be greenlit by the production committee once there is more of the manga out since the anime adaptation always primarily exists to boost sales of the manga volumes; yet another way capitalism hinders and slows the production of art.
I think Frieren could have done more harm than good to the other participants taking the exam with them. I mean at least in the second test the fact that the copies avoided her made the rest more susceptible to be ambushed and also the fact her copy was waiting at the bottom made the last part of the exam esentially unwinnable for none other than herself.
I think she was just scared that the demon king would win or she couldn’t be bothered
Honestly I was more excited to see what’d she say for denken, wirbel, and green haired lady (forgot name lmao).
Next episode, I read the manga and they are literally the next ones. Not really a spoiler since she says "Next" after passing Fern.
About Serie and the Demon King, Flamme said any about Serie being most powerful but she can't to defeat the Demon King because she can't to imagine a world without the Demon King.
"you pass."
Back to the original set up
this episode was so beautiful from start to finish, but i couldn’t help but be really mad at serie for reproving frieren ngl
what was the intro song?
Dungeon meshi😢😂
Did you ever considered Apothecary Diaries for reaction?
Did they drop solo leveling?
Nope
ダンジョン飯もよろしく頼む
フリーレンはミミック飯が大好きだろう。
Well then, you'll like Serie even more after the next episode ;D
Serie is kinda rigth for not letting frieren be a 1st class mage because like she said frieren used her time to train her mana restrain and while this technique can be affective if a powerfull ennemi dont get fouled frieren will get cook also she is petty because have all this time and still dint reach 1/10 of her when all her human student die young without reaching they prime and as serie said frieren is not that skilled or powerfull for her age and we gonna see this next arc
plz where is dungeon meshi ep 11 :((
dungeon meshi please
what's up with the skyrim music in the background lmao
Lerner means to study
wheres dunmeshi😢😢
😭😭😭😭💕💕💕💕💕
I'm with Frieren on this one... couldn't give a damn about Serie's opinion or her pettiness. Not a fan.
Please dont shave your head at 100k. I might subscribe if you dont.
Serie you hypocrite