I tried Dual N-back a number of years ago (around 2013), and I'm planning to start using it again which is how I came across your video. At my height of using it, I noticed a significant improvement in my ability to focus and my attention span. It made my interactions in conversations, work, and even watching movies more immersive, meaningful, and effortless. It actually improved my sense of happiness, because I felt more engaged in life, and almost everything felt easier. I really don't know why I stopped - I think like any routine that requires dedication, other distractions got in the way, and I'd miss one day, then more, then stopped all together. After watching your video, it got me excited to use it again, although I could tell that I'm "out of shape" as even considering the three-back felt a bit like brain overload. At my best, I was regularly doing seven-backs and eight-backs, and the occasional nine-back. Looking forward to getting back into it.
Thanks. I suffered brain damage after watching the 2020 US Presidential debates. My doctor actually said I couldn’t recover those lost neurons but I’m trying anyway.
I have tried this game... honestly just like after a physical workout your muscles feel used & strained.... Similarly even my brain feels strained & tired after 2 minutes of this game. Until this I never realized how weak my focus is
>Process-based memory training mostly focuses on enhancing capacities related to operations such as processing speed and executive functions. (Dual-N-back) >Strategy-based memory training on the other hand refers to improving memory performance by applying mnemonic strategies which contributes to information encoding and retrieval (memory palace) these are excerpts describing the classifications of practices in parentheses, taken from the study on improving WM - as few people have already noted in the comments, the approach differs entirely between the two and I would presume that the search for shortcuts has arisen for the author of the video due to excessively long sessions of his training
personally playing dual n back in the sound / image version (not sound / position) I achieved a considerable increase in the number of chess wins and I also noticed a better ability to think quickly and concentrate. It is also important to say that the way DNB is played is fundamental for the success of the training
@@wars4242 Examples are like in the video at 8:56. He describes how he used a strategy to "chunk" sets of 3, but not a new set of 3 with every turn. He memorized a new set of 3 every 3 turns. This made it much easier to win the game, but it is a crutch. Other memory techniques are the memory palace, or using pegs, mnemonics - many memory techniques anchor the new bit of info to a map you already memorized. These can be useful in real life. But when you're trying to train your (maybe) using such techniques when your goal is to train your natural memory, using these techniques is like cheating on the SAT practice exam.
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I think the object is not to strategize but to target your working memory. say if you get to 6-back and you are grouping by 3's you are taking some of the load off your working memory, which you are trying to enhance. so a high score is not the objective. just be consistent and try to practice at least 20 minutes a day, preferably 30 but I know not all of us can dedicate that much time
Same thing happened to me at 6-back but I did it without chunking strategy like you did. I kept adding each new bit while cycling out the oldest all the way through. I had a greater ability to recall events and information both in forward and reverse order which was a very useful life improvement.
The strategy you talk about at 9:30 is good to WIN at the game, but the point is not to win but to TRAIN THE BRAIN and INCREASE IQ. By using this technique you're not really exercising the brain, but with the repeating technique you are. That's why it's harder ;) i3 Mindgame article talks about it.
I have never tried either of these strategies. Instead I hold a moving "echo" in my head which I compare to what is happening. Might be what people mean by the "intuition method". The only sound/position I have active in my mind is the one at n back, and then if what shows up matches that, I hit "match".
At 9:30 he describes ‘attention hopping’ which isnt helpful for WM improvement, but rehearsal is helpful. (Rapidly repeat the last n string of letters with your inner voice) “There are four types of strategy training that are often used with dual n-back training. They can all improve n-back level performance. But only the first - rehearsal - is useful for expanding working memory capacity.” - www.iqmindware.com/iq-mindware/training-strategies/
You can't increase your IQ, you can train yourself at becoming very good in tasks that measure IQ, and therefore modify your results, but you will lose the increased performance once you stop doing the tasks regularly, and it won't increase your IQ. Apps and programms that tell you otherwise are likely to be a scam
@@storiesgcentral but you pretty much only use the working memory span that your train with the dual n back, in the dual n back, holding that many items is extremly rarely needed (depending on what you do). I really doubt that this really increases fluid intelligence, seems like a convenient marketing promise to make, but to be fair, it seems like a fun way to challenge your mind and it can defenetly not hurt and will have some positive effects.
ooooo boyeeee, I tried an IQ test exactly 30 days ago and I got a 90 IQ result (which for some unknown reason felt disappointing to me) then I went only to find that dualnback may be a plausible remedy for IQ corroboration, my current peak at dual N back is 8 n back (at day 30) and I can comfortably play at 6~7 n back (depends because some days are just bad) and now I just tried the same IQ test and I got 110 IQ as a result, *me who was thinking I'd score lesser because during the test I felt I wasn't getting any logic*, THIS STUFF IS REAL, even if it wasn't, if this is your only chance to boost that IQ don't let anything old you back! nice video btw.
@@izzzrelo1729 damn how did your life felt when you had 90iq did you relate to the npc meme or mayybe lacking critickal thinking,just being curious not making fun of anyone
3 years ago i've tried doing the N-back And i rapidly saw the improvement I'm a type of person that has a lack of working memory When i am doing a task that is need for something else to work I often find myself wondering "Why am I doing this already? What should i do next ?" To counter that i took the habit to write a todo list so i can come back to it when im lost But with Dual N-back after like 7 days I saw such an improvement that it was chocking It was felt like a revelation, i could do things i could'nt in the past and do it naturaly Sort of liberating Edit : It might have been because im working my memory in a different way I'm not focused on keeping a list of the previous N-elements in my head, I am more like "feeling" that the N-back word is the same that the actual Well im not 100% feeling everything, its sort of a mix in between feeling the thing and having a list in the head. But more orientated in the feeling (as i struggle to keep the list haha) Hope it was comprehensible xD Having a strategy to be more efficient seems to be an inefficient thing for training
@jcorb Well, I tried to remember the sequence but i really struggled at it So i did kind of a mix, i tried to remember the sequence but i was also relying on my intuition to counter my struggleness It served me well, in fact when I work im not actively thinking about everything. I often switch from one task to another instinctively and working it trought the N-Back sort of unlocked more opportunities to use my instinct :)
I did it for a year and reach dual 10 back almost 11 i've realized that my memory have improved a lot almost photographic memory like to see images in my mind i dont even try to memorize not always perfect but pretty impresive for me and for people around me
I did it 2018 - 2019 i remember to begin with the recomended 20 minutes a day four days in week, i went to lv4 - lv5 pretty fast after a month i got a stable lv7, in 40 days i reach lv8 then it become harder i keep doing dual n back 30 minutes - 40 minutes a day sometimes an hour sometimes just ten minutes, someday i got lv9 and one day lv10 and lv10 four or five time more, one day i was so close to 11 then i started to leave the practice but i think i will back now
I love these kinds of cognitive challenges! @Habit Allies your video inspired me to try out human bench mark as well as dual n back . I manage to get visual memory to a score of 14 consistently (15 is my upper limit). On the verbal memory i score 325 and i also tried the sequence memory which puts me at 13-14 consistently. i just passed dual n back 3 and moved on to dual n back 4 scoring 39% the first time and i'm now looking to improve it to at least 50-70% consistently
With adhd this is really hard. As soon as i get my meds for it, i'm going to start playing dual'n'back. Thanks for vid. Hey btw, what's your progress currently?
I don't have anything diagnosed but I have trouble staying on one task farely often. I was veery good at the verbal memory test on human bench mark. It was very fun for me because you could come up with creative ways to memorize the words. I scored 469p :O
If you had not been weight training and took that up for 30 days, you would have significant results. You have convinced me that Dual N Back is not a good use of time, and for this I thank you.
The digit span test isn't quite like the test you took. The digit span test presents the numbers one at a time, each individually. It's a lot more difficult than presenting all the numbers at once.
Doing this game for 45 days. Hoping to start new year with smarter brain. My iq now is probably 95. I have a hard time with critical thinking assignments in English class. I am hoping to boost iq to 115 or higher. Doing this everyday for 25 minutes along with healthy diet/habits, omega 3 and supplements, and lots and lots of cardio (2miles - 5k everyday). Just playing this is not enough. You need to incorporate it with other healthy habits. Not saying you don’t do that because I believe you do. I am just going to play it for longer and have more modest expectations. Hoping to get to D=7 by after Christmas. On Dec 31, I will post a results video of dualnback and 5k running everyday results. 🧠 💪🏻 let’s do this. 2022 strong. Let’s see if I can get to iq of 105 by end of challenge and then to 110 or higher by end of January 2022. Also, I will be trying my best not to do any techniques like chunking which kind of ruins the whole point of the game. In order to prevent that from happening, I have the transition speed (the speed from one audio/visual change to the next) to a fast pace (somewhere around 1.5-2 seconds. Personally, I think this person knows what he is doing, but is setting an unrealistic goal. You don't have a max memory cap. Sometimes for certain people, it takes more time (like more than a month) to raise. Also, you should do healthy and other brainy, productive, or mindful habits. Just playing this game alone is too static and repetitive. Update 2022: I failed to complete the challenge. I am redoing it now finally..
minus the 5k everyday part. That is kindof overkill. I can't do that with school and work in the way. Instead, I do long distance moderate pace runs 2 times a week, shorter distance fast pace runs 2 days a week, and 2 short distance sprint interval runs a week.
I decided to try n back after i read someone saying that he has adhd and kept playing it for 1 year and reached 10 back he said he gets lucid dreams which i noticed the first day(did that happen to you?) and he says he can navigate through ideas fast Do you think i should continue doing it or it is just a waste of time?
I used chunking when I first got to level 3 but as I got better at it I started using the reorganization method you mentioned at 8:05 and I am now using it for level 4. I think the reorganization method is more effective for gains because you are using your brain to manipulate new and old information. That’s just my thought tho idk if it’s true. Does anyone else do the reorganization method or is it just me?
I think to improve the dual n back it's better if the instead of keeping the 2 back...it should be variable and app should randomly pick 1 or 2 or 3 ...so that brain can't create pattern in 2 or 3.
Update: I don't really want to do the technique but things just went scrambling over my head when I'm playing, and when I finally tried it, haha got to 5 now~
Technically, you still have that "working memory capacity" and it still requires more mental effort than normal, so I don't think it really was a cheat... (Memorizing four before and four now, that's already 8, eh?) Okay, sorry I'll stop rambling now, just my two cents 😅
@@aisilverb8530 exactly, if you think about it, the only reason he's able to execute the strategy is because his working memory improved, and the whole point of the previous strategy was to get rid of the first stimulus asap to make room for the next one and that in itself takes away your attention from the new ones which causes you to miss them out.
But if u read "how to play" on their website u will see that u shouldn't try to get a strategy for winning but u should answer spontaneously without thinking, I tried It on my laptop using an app called "brain workshop" which is better than the one u use and I get really good results
I found out the if you write down the letters on a piece of paper that really helps and if you sturuggle counting say 3 back you can do it on your fingers
If you want to increase test scores i advise you to do Image Streaming. I do long 5m audio Single Nback for concentration excersise. Dual Nback is great for Pratyahara practice. I also do Gated Nback and Recursive Nback. But 85% of resultes are comming from audio. When you reach 7 back on Single Audio and can sustained it for 5min. will acquire insane power and master Pratyahara and Dharana. On 10 Back Single Audio you will break in to the Gamma realm and from that point the world is yours.
I think you made a little mistake by searching for better strategies, since your dual n-back level improvements does no longer correspond to your brain improvement. One point could also be the following: You trained dual ~7-back, but tested single ~11-back. The question remains wether "m-n-back" enhances the capability for overall mental processing in the long run.
Chunking is no good, rehearsing is no good for the gain. It has to be intuitive. So says Susanne Jaeggi. And I may be wrong but the test you used at humanbechmark seems to be more about short term memory than working memory (the first is just a component of the second, and the correlation between speed and IQ is only about 0.50), not the same thing. Anyway, I think that with an intuitive dual n back approach the gains would have been significant. Your mind would 'blink' less and less.
I can't say that I did. But that could be due to the difficulty in recognizing marginal increases in memory and focus. Also, quite a few people pointed out that using "strategies" is cheating and won't yield benefits so that could have affected the results.
@@KoreaKingy not sure about strategies being cheating: on neurological level you probably still hitting hard these areas in the brain that are responsible for all related cognitive abilites; in other words if it feels like a hard/near impossible thing to do and after training for some time you get better, then you still training your brain a lot
@@KoreaKingy those people are stupid lol if you won't use strategy to remember N-4 letters or N-5 Letters its simply impossible after one point its not a strategy its how its supposed to be played and your memory focus improves because of doing this activity. Also you should try chess As a 2000 elo chess player I can play chess in my mind that's why it's my second day using N-back and I'm already on N-5 thank God for chess 🙏 such an amazing game plus it benefits human brain on many levels.
The technique you are using is kinda weird because you only have to remember (N3) 3 positions and letter and then run the 4. input through your data base and then delete n1 and replace it with n2 🙃
Epic vlogger because it gets harder the more you play. If you reach level 3 it’s not the one 2 back it’s the one 3 back and the same with 4 being 4 back. That’s why you lose levels the more you play.
i have an iq of 71 and can't do the Dual N Back test. I can remember set pairs for example 1. is z 2. is b 3. is a= no match 4. is b= match I can't remember each one 2 turns ago it gives me a headache and i can't cocentrate. After i get to the 4th number i get lost. I lack the understanding for this test to be usful for me in anyway.
This is waste of time. Research has shown numerous times that there's absolutely no transfer to other skills in theses types of memory training. You get better in these tasks, but nothing more. Sleep, balanced diet, exercise - this is your real brain training boys and girls.
@@storiesgcentral very interesting, the results showed a 16 point increase for the training group (117==> 133) and the control group showed a 6 point increase (124==>130) meaning that practice effect accounts for 6 points of the increment but it is still significant. Furthermore, there is another method: strengthening mental abilities through relational training (SMART) which shows consistent increases in IQ (SD 15) of 23 points on average, the exercise consists of understanding basic conceptual relationships between two or more things. Secondly, there is a plant extract called bacopa monnieri which shows statistically significant increases in working memory, the mechanism of action is hypothesized to arise from bacosides a and b which eliminate free radicals, reduce beta amyloid proteins and increase dendritic branching on hippocampal neurons. Maybe if you combine bacopa monnieri, smart, and the gabor stimulus exercise you can increase your IQ by 40+ points since they all seem to be augmenting cognition in different ways.
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I tried Dual N-back a number of years ago (around 2013), and I'm planning to start using it again which is how I came across your video. At my height of using it, I noticed a significant improvement in my ability to focus and my attention span. It made my interactions in conversations, work, and even watching movies more immersive, meaningful, and effortless. It actually improved my sense of happiness, because I felt more engaged in life, and almost everything felt easier. I really don't know why I stopped - I think like any routine that requires dedication, other distractions got in the way, and I'd miss one day, then more, then stopped all together. After watching your video, it got me excited to use it again, although I could tell that I'm "out of shape" as even considering the three-back felt a bit like brain overload. At my best, I was regularly doing seven-backs and eight-backs, and the occasional nine-back. Looking forward to getting back into it.
What level did you achieve to notice these improvements in your life?
Thanks. I suffered brain damage after watching the 2020 US Presidential debates. My doctor actually said I couldn’t recover those lost neurons but I’m trying anyway.
lmao
@Fabian Mathew lmao fucking bots, just use netflix
Right? How dumb is Biden lmao
Damn thats tuff, good mindset tho bro how is it going so far?
@@joshuakohn4408 Actually, I noticed I was waking up tired, did a sleep study and got an a CPAP. My brain is functioning pretty well. Thanks!
I have tried this game... honestly just like after a physical workout your muscles feel used & strained.... Similarly even my brain feels strained & tired after 2 minutes of this game. Until this I never realized how weak my focus is
It is a mentally grueling task for sure
How any rounds you do I do from 10 tp 13 5 times a week
@@justaregulargymrata
The more intense, the less you do!
Through time you will improve.
@@ntwalipat2 Oh that is true
>Process-based memory training mostly focuses on enhancing capacities related to operations such as processing speed and executive functions. (Dual-N-back)
>Strategy-based memory training on the other hand refers to improving memory performance by applying mnemonic strategies which contributes to information encoding and retrieval (memory palace)
these are excerpts describing the classifications of practices in parentheses, taken from the study on improving WM - as few people have already noted in the comments, the approach differs entirely between the two and I would presume that the search for shortcuts has arisen for the author of the video due to excessively long sessions of his training
personally playing dual n back in the sound / image version (not sound / position) I achieved a considerable increase in the number of chess wins and I also noticed a better ability to think quickly and concentrate.
It is also important to say that the way DNB is played is fundamental for the success of the training
Can you please elaborate "the way to play DNB i fundamental for success of improving you memory"? How should one play it?
@@rostovsr6456 if you are asking the proper way to play it the answer is to not use any memory techniques as this won't improve you raw skills.
@@vancedstone Makes a lot of sense. I'll keep that in mind, thank you!
@@vancedstone what are some examples of memory techniques?
@@wars4242 Examples are like in the video at 8:56. He describes how he used a strategy to "chunk" sets of 3, but not a new set of 3 with every turn. He memorized a new set of 3 every 3 turns. This made it much easier to win the game, but it is a crutch.
Other memory techniques are the memory palace, or using pegs, mnemonics - many memory techniques anchor the new bit of info to a map you already memorized. These can be useful in real life. But when you're trying to train your (maybe) using such techniques when your goal is to train your natural memory, using these techniques is like cheating on the SAT practice exam.
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Thanks man I appreciate it!
I think the object is not to strategize but to target your working memory. say if you get to 6-back and you are grouping by 3's you are taking some of the load off your working memory, which you are trying to enhance. so a high score is not the objective. just be consistent and try to practice at least 20 minutes a day, preferably 30 but I know not all of us can dedicate that much time
what are your results
Incredible content, continue creating your video backlog for your future subscribers to enjoy!
Same thing happened to me at 6-back but I did it without chunking strategy like you did. I kept adding each new bit while cycling out the oldest all the way through. I had a greater ability to recall events and information both in forward and reverse order which was a very useful life improvement.
Yep, ran into this training couple of years back. Now doing it again. Let's do this!
The strategy you talk about at 9:30 is good to WIN at the game, but the point is not to win but to TRAIN THE BRAIN and INCREASE IQ. By using this technique you're not really exercising the brain, but with the repeating technique you are. That's why it's harder ;)
i3 Mindgame article talks about it.
I have never tried either of these strategies. Instead I hold a moving "echo" in my head which I compare to what is happening. Might be what people mean by the "intuition method". The only sound/position I have active in my mind is the one at n back, and then if what shows up matches that, I hit "match".
At 9:30 he describes ‘attention hopping’ which isnt helpful for WM improvement, but rehearsal is helpful. (Rapidly repeat the last n string of letters with your inner voice)
“There are four types of strategy training that are often used with dual n-back training. They can all improve n-back level performance. But only the first - rehearsal - is useful for expanding working memory capacity.” - www.iqmindware.com/iq-mindware/training-strategies/
You can't increase your IQ, you can train yourself at becoming very good in tasks that measure IQ, and therefore modify your results, but you will lose the increased performance once you stop doing the tasks regularly, and it won't increase your IQ. Apps and programms that tell you otherwise are likely to be a scam
@@storiesgcentral but you pretty much only use the working memory span that your train with the dual n back, in the dual n back, holding that many items is extremly rarely needed (depending on what you do). I really doubt that this really increases fluid intelligence, seems like a convenient marketing promise to make, but to be fair, it seems like a fun way to challenge your mind and it can defenetly not hurt and will have some positive effects.
I made it into level 3 in a week and a half
ooooo boyeeee, I tried an IQ test exactly 30 days ago and I got a 90 IQ result (which for some unknown reason felt disappointing to me) then I went only to find that dualnback may be a plausible remedy for IQ corroboration, my current peak at dual N back is 8 n back (at day 30) and I can comfortably play at 6~7 n back (depends because some days are just bad) and now I just tried the same IQ test and I got 110 IQ as a result, *me who was thinking I'd score lesser because during the test I felt I wasn't getting any logic*, THIS STUFF IS REAL, even if it wasn't, if this is your only chance to boost that IQ don't let anything old you back! nice video btw.
What iq test did you take?
@Azula yip
@@izzzrelo1729 damn how did your life felt when you had 90iq did you relate to the npc meme or mayybe lacking critickal thinking,just being curious not making fun of anyone
It depends on which iq test you pass.
I can't get past level 6! I'm too scared to take an IQ test!
3 years ago i've tried doing the N-back
And i rapidly saw the improvement
I'm a type of person that has a lack of working memory
When i am doing a task that is need for something else to work I often find myself wondering "Why am I doing this already? What should i do next ?"
To counter that i took the habit to write a todo list so i can come back to it when im lost
But with Dual N-back after like 7 days I saw such an improvement that it was chocking
It was felt like a revelation, i could do things i could'nt in the past and do it naturaly
Sort of liberating
Edit : It might have been because im working my memory in a different way
I'm not focused on keeping a list of the previous N-elements in my head, I am more like "feeling" that the N-back word is the same that the actual
Well im not 100% feeling everything, its sort of a mix in between feeling the thing and having a list in the head. But more orientated in the feeling (as i struggle to keep the list haha)
Hope it was comprehensible xD
Having a strategy to be more efficient seems to be an inefficient thing for training
intuition i think u mean
@@gcasello494 Yeah, that's the word :)
@jcorb Well, I tried to remember the sequence but i really struggled at it
So i did kind of a mix, i tried to remember the sequence but i was also relying on my intuition to counter my struggleness
It served me well, in fact when I work im not actively thinking about everything. I often switch from one task to another instinctively and working it trought the N-Back sort of unlocked more opportunities to use my instinct :)
On which n back are you on?
how long before you get past duel n back 4 variables?
I happened to see your bookshelf damn You must be super good at Korean :))
Good video mate !
Great video 👍
I did it for a year and reach dual 10 back almost 11 i've realized that my memory have improved a lot almost photographic memory like to see images in my mind i dont even try to memorize not always perfect but pretty impresive for me and for people around me
Did you struggle at first? I am stuck ay level 3
Good work!
How much do you train?
I did it 2018 - 2019 i remember to begin with the recomended 20 minutes a day four days in week, i went to lv4 - lv5 pretty fast after a month i got a stable lv7, in 40 days i reach lv8 then it become harder i keep doing dual n back 30 minutes - 40 minutes a day sometimes an hour sometimes just ten minutes, someday i got lv9 and one day lv10 and lv10 four or five time more, one day i was so close to 11 then i started to leave the practice but i think i will back now
@@ccclll665 very cool, thanks for the answer
I love these kinds of cognitive challenges! @Habit Allies your video inspired me to try out human bench mark as well as dual n back . I manage to get visual memory to a score of 14 consistently (15 is my upper limit). On the verbal memory i score 325 and i also tried the sequence memory which puts me at 13-14 consistently. i just passed dual n back 3 and moved on to dual n back 4 scoring 39% the first time and i'm now looking to improve it to at least 50-70% consistently
I scored 469 on the verbal memory. Makes me wonder how accurate the data is.
Awesome vide, thanks for this
it's really one of those videos take a lot of your time, thanks
My pleasure!
3:10 gave me weird Mario maker flashbacks.
With adhd this is really hard. As soon as i get my meds for it, i'm going to start playing dual'n'back. Thanks for vid. Hey btw, what's your progress currently?
I stopped after the 30 days but may start up again and do it long term
I have adhd and I cant even pass level one...
I don't have anything diagnosed but I have trouble staying on one task farely often.
I was veery good at the verbal memory test on human bench mark. It was very fun for me because you could come up with creative ways to memorize the words. I scored 469p :O
you gotta do it without the meds so that you’re even better with the meds
If you had not been weight training and took that up for 30 days, you would have significant results. You have convinced me that Dual N Back is not a good use of time, and for this I thank you.
Awesome video
Thank you Prakash!
i think everyone should play this game , age doesn't matter .
I assume you're a grand master by now? Time to take up the guitar, work your memory, abstract thought and dexterity.
The digit span test isn't quite like the test you took. The digit span test presents the numbers one at a time, each individually. It's a lot more difficult than presenting all the numbers at once.
Seeing him taking the human benchmark was iq tests were confidence boosters
Hi. Most people that see a significant increase in their overall intelligence and IQ with N-Back usually see it within years of training.
Does this only improve short term memory of a sequence of letters and spatial indicators or does it improve short term memory of any information?
Oh sweet you live in SK!
You should definitely learn chess. Its alot of fun and i think you'll do great as a beginner
Great video. Loved the production keep it up
Doing this game for 45 days. Hoping to start new year with smarter brain. My iq now is probably 95. I have a hard time with critical thinking assignments in English class. I am hoping to boost iq to 115 or higher. Doing this everyday for 25 minutes along with healthy diet/habits, omega 3 and supplements, and lots and lots of cardio (2miles - 5k everyday). Just playing this is not enough. You need to incorporate it with other healthy habits. Not saying you don’t do that because I believe you do. I am just going to play it for longer and have more modest expectations. Hoping to get to D=7 by after Christmas. On Dec 31, I will post a results video of dualnback and 5k running everyday results. 🧠 💪🏻 let’s do this. 2022 strong. Let’s see if I can get to iq of 105 by end of challenge and then to 110 or higher by end of January 2022. Also, I will be trying my best not to do any techniques like chunking which kind of ruins the whole point of the game. In order to prevent that from happening, I have the transition speed (the speed from one audio/visual change to the next) to a fast pace (somewhere around 1.5-2 seconds. Personally, I think this person knows what he is doing, but is setting an unrealistic goal. You don't have a max memory cap. Sometimes for certain people, it takes more time (like more than a month) to raise. Also, you should do healthy and other brainy, productive, or mindful habits. Just playing this game alone is too static and repetitive. Update 2022: I failed to complete the challenge. I am redoing it now finally..
Sounds very exciting. Good luck on reaching your goal!
minus the 5k everyday part. That is kindof overkill. I can't do that with school and work in the way. Instead, I do long distance moderate pace runs 2 times a week, shorter distance fast pace runs 2 days a week, and 2 short distance sprint interval runs a week.
@@elevatorman5468 how is it goin?
@@elevatorman5468 Are there any results man?
Update. I failed to complete the challenge. I am redoing it now finally.
You could handle 3? 2 is overwhelming to the point im gonna try single n-back first lol
I decided to try n back after i read someone saying that he has adhd and kept playing it for 1 year and reached 10 back he said he gets lucid dreams which i noticed the first day(did that happen to you?) and he says he can navigate through ideas fast
Do you think i should continue doing it or it is just a waste of time?
I think you should continue and see for yourself. I didn't have lucid dreams but who knows if they would've come later
In the beginning I had lucid dreams one or two times after I did it a few days or two weeks
Keep Playing it I have reached N7 yesterday and I noticed my cognitive skills is improving little by little
I used chunking when I first got to level 3 but as I got better at it I started using the reorganization method you mentioned at 8:05 and I am now using it for level 4. I think the reorganization method is more effective for gains because you are using your brain to manipulate new and old information. That’s just my thought tho idk if it’s true. Does anyone else do the reorganization method or is it just me?
Me also
thanks for the experiment, I will give it a shoot too
I think to improve the dual n back it's better if the instead of keeping the 2 back...it should be variable and app should randomly pick 1 or 2 or 3 ...so that brain can't create pattern in 2 or 3.
I found this app on the App Store called “n-back” it automatically changes the number depending on ur level
Fala irmão! Continuou treinando? Poderia falar mais sobre os resultados, caso tenha continuado o treino?
Abraços aqui do Brasil
I find it hard even the 1-back
Yah, I got at least 95% each to the memory tests in the humanbenchmark but I'm struggling in dual-3-back lol, I've reached lvl 4 after a lot of focus
Update: I don't really want to do the technique but things just went scrambling over my head when I'm playing, and when I finally tried it, haha got to 5 now~
Technically, you still have that "working memory capacity" and it still requires more mental effort than normal, so I don't think it really was a cheat... (Memorizing four before and four now, that's already 8, eh?) Okay, sorry I'll stop rambling now, just my two cents 😅
Try more can do it
Can u keep u r updat enow ?
@@aisilverb8530 exactly, if you think about it, the only reason he's able to execute the strategy is because his working memory improved, and the whole point of the previous strategy was to get rid of the first stimulus asap to make room for the next one and that in itself takes away your attention from the new ones which causes you to miss them out.
I’ve been using it only a week and noticed I’m thinking faster in my sales job
upload a video about mnemonic(like Mind Palace) please
What if you stayed at level 4 or 5 using manual mode until you can consistently score close to 100%?
where do I program in the latency in milliseconds fi=or my wireless mouse when doing a reactiob test on this human benchmark
Which app do u use bro?
Habit Allies please tell how and from where I can get this software .
But if u read "how to play" on their website u will see that u shouldn't try to get a strategy for winning but u should answer spontaneously without thinking, I tried It on my laptop using an app called "brain workshop" which is better than the one u use and I get really good results
I got to three and back and that was it. Tried and tried a jumbled mess even using a strategy.
Just do it don't use strategy it's like a brain workout not supposed to be fun but gives brain gains
Started playing DNB cant get passed N=2 😐😔
Link for the best n-back software/program?
How long did you spend each day or cumulative for the month?
N Dual back improves fluid intelligence which is related to abstract reasoning and not memory. Working memory is the processor of your brain ;)
Thanks for your comment bro. There are studies showing that it improves working memory too though :)
NO
@@v1kt0us ??? what you mean 'no'?
@@KoreaKingy go on memoryleague.com and artofmemory.com for memory traning and it a lot of fun. Challenge yourself with someone else.
In the word game, read the words out loud, it makes it much easier
I found out the if you write down the letters on a piece of paper that really helps and if you sturuggle counting say 3 back you can do it on your fingers
that kinda defeats the whole purpose?
Yaah@@orchid-Sharingmythoughts
try quad n back
Please can you give a link if this game?
thank you
Whats the highest level of DnB? Can't find a straightforward answer
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what about trying this over a year?
Maybe. I'll think about it.
If you want to increase test scores i advise you to do Image Streaming. I do long 5m audio Single Nback for concentration excersise. Dual Nback is great for Pratyahara practice. I also do Gated Nback and Recursive Nback. But 85% of resultes are comming from audio. When you reach 7 back on Single Audio and can sustained it for 5min. will acquire insane power and master Pratyahara and Dharana. On 10 Back Single Audio you will break in to the Gamma realm and from that point the world is yours.
did ur iq increase ?
I think you made a little mistake by searching for better strategies, since your dual n-back level improvements does no longer correspond to your brain improvement. One point could also be the following: You trained dual ~7-back, but tested single ~11-back. The question remains wether "m-n-back" enhances the capability for overall mental processing in the long run.
Lol brain benchmark
I think in the video you did not mention the training time per day
Which is also an important factor of an experiment
Back pyramid?
My working memory is at 9-10
RTQ - This is not a strategy, this is way of training.
Umm... I can only go one back before crashing, and that’s on singular n-back, albeit mathematical n-back.
Did you notice an increase in dreaming?
I didn't pay attention to my dreaming frequency so I can't really comment on it. But I can say it wasn't something I noticed.
try doing it 5 days a week for up to an hour or more for multiple months before you conclude it doesn't do anything substantial
why is it NEVER 29 days or 32 days ???
13:15 The result Day
In visual memory i have 12 points,in number memory 9 and in verbal memory i have 133 points
I got to level 11 without practicing the game lol
Chunking is no good, rehearsing is no good for the gain. It has to be intuitive. So says Susanne Jaeggi.
And I may be wrong but the test you used at humanbechmark seems to be more about short term memory than working memory (the first is just a component of the second, and the correlation between speed and IQ is only about 0.50), not the same thing. Anyway, I think that with an intuitive dual n back approach the gains would have been significant. Your mind would 'blink' less and less.
Thanks for your input :) I've heard this from quite a few people and I guess I should try it without any "strategies."
What's the best app you recommend for duel n back then
And more there: th-cam.com/video/fDjTG487r8s/w-d-xo.html
great resource
8:40 you can only use your ulta instict
That's what he should do , if he searched on how to play he will know that he should play the game without thinking
@@medbouab2825 you're joking right ? Not thinking ultra instinct reference ?
You play the game you get good at the time. Consciousness is one of the least studied area in the universe for human beings.
live in kr?
Yess for 10 months of the year
The point of not using strategies is to develop your brain's brute working memory.
Strategies are "cheating"
I quite the video before he talked about strategies but from the test it seems that I automatically try to find strategies to compress the data.
The human benchmark isn't a very good measure of working memory.
what is it then?
@@refl1x362 digit span on memoryloss test
@@rakoto7398 you want to be smart because you like Light?
This video is too long-winded man, although well produced.
Thanks for the feedback man, I kinda agree. Any specific parts you thought too long?
@@KoreaKingy the video is perfect
How long did you play this game per day?? 20 minute?
Yea about. Between 15 and 30 depending on the day
Did you see any improvements on your focus or memory after playing?
I can't say that I did. But that could be due to the difficulty in recognizing marginal increases in memory and focus. Also, quite a few people pointed out that using "strategies" is cheating and won't yield benefits so that could have affected the results.
@@KoreaKingy not sure about strategies being cheating: on neurological level you probably still hitting hard these areas in the brain that are responsible for all related cognitive abilites; in other words if it feels like a hard/near impossible thing to do and after training for some time you get better, then you still training your brain a lot
@@KoreaKingy those people are stupid lol if you won't use strategy to remember N-4 letters or N-5 Letters its simply impossible after one point its not a strategy its how its supposed to be played and your memory focus improves because of doing this activity.
Also you should try chess As a 2000 elo chess player I can play chess in my mind that's why it's my second day using N-back and I'm already on N-5 thank God for chess 🙏 such an amazing game plus it benefits human brain on many levels.
@jcorb The is no stratégie, like you remember with 2 n back, you upgrade after with 3, 4....6
Simple
My high score is n =7. Wb?
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Eng pls i can’t do copy/past 😁
So did you see anything translate to real life?
Not really tbh, I noticed more by taking algae omega 3s
@Viktor Benji Absolutely. Its recommended and has some good science research supporting it.
Habit Allies hey habit, good place where I can get algae omega 3? This is my first time hearing of omega 3 algae. Or is this the same as fish oil?
@@KoreaKingy where can I find these supplements, link please?
Wow I didn't know Victor from corpse bridge is a TH-camrs
That’s rude
@@H0peAnL0ve Indeed.
i cant even do level 1 how strange
I'm pretty sure it took me a day to get there. It's new to the brain so it might take a bit.
Don't worry just keep practicing and you will improve.
Lol i started 3 back on 95% at the first try 😅 5:30 am btw 🤙 6 back sounds fun.
The technique you are using is kinda weird because you only have to remember (N3) 3 positions and letter and then run the 4. input through your data base and then delete n1 and replace it with n2 🙃
Why my fresh mind increase levels repeated play decreases level
Epic vlogger because it gets harder the more you play. If you reach level 3 it’s not the one 2 back it’s the one 3 back and the same with 4 being 4 back. That’s why you lose levels the more you play.
i have an iq of 71 and can't do the Dual N Back test. I can remember set pairs for example
1. is z
2. is b
3. is a= no match
4. is b= match
I can't remember each one 2 turns ago it gives me a headache and i can't cocentrate. After i get to the 4th number i get lost. I lack the understanding for this test to be usful for me in anyway.
If u reach lvl 5 on 15th(!) day of training i can say you will never improve ure mind "over 9000iq" and its not a joke ;)
Ya gonna have to try harder
This is waste of time. Research has shown numerous times that there's absolutely no transfer to other skills in theses types of memory training. You get better in these tasks, but nothing more. Sleep, balanced diet, exercise - this is your real brain training boys and girls.
@@storiesgcentral very interesting, the results showed a 16 point increase for the training group (117==> 133) and the control group showed a 6 point increase (124==>130) meaning that practice effect accounts for 6 points of the increment but it is still significant. Furthermore, there is another method: strengthening mental abilities through relational training (SMART) which shows consistent increases in IQ (SD 15) of 23 points on average, the exercise consists of understanding basic conceptual relationships between two or more things. Secondly, there is a plant extract called bacopa monnieri which shows statistically significant increases in working memory, the mechanism of action is hypothesized to arise from bacosides a and b which eliminate free radicals, reduce beta amyloid proteins and increase dendritic branching on hippocampal neurons. Maybe if you combine bacopa monnieri, smart, and the gabor stimulus exercise you can increase your IQ by 40+ points since they all seem to be augmenting cognition in different ways.
False wath you say, I and a lot of people here have really noticed I huge increase
Stop Ignorance
Try for 6 weeks (5times/ week) with no cheat