Ancient Egyptian Granite Sawing Technology: reconstruction
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- The experimentalist Nikolay Vasiutin attempts to cut a piece of granite using ancient Egyptian methods: utilizing a copper saw with an abrasive agent (corundum). The stone cutting experiment was conducted for antropogenez.ru portal.
Granite, a Copper Saw, and Abrasive Material Principles of Loose Abrasive Sawing.
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Specifications:
- Copper strip length: 22 cm
- Granite piece thickness: 17 mm
- Cut Length: 48 cm
- Cut Width (max): ~6mm
- Total time taken: 3.5 hours
- Extracted granite weight: 46g (3012-2966=46)
- Granite volume: 17,03 cm3
- Copper material wear: 23 gr. (229-206=23)
- Copper volume: 2.58 cm3
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- Nikolay Vasiutin
- Aleksandr Sokolov (editor of ANTROPOGENEZ.RU)
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- Oleg Krugliakov
- Yekaterina Shutova
- Video Recording and editing: Vladimir Morozov @ Spezinform.ru
- Translation and voiceover: Eduard Trofimov
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The experimentalist Nikolay Vasiutin attempts to cut a piece of granite using ancient Egyptian method: while utilizing copper saw and some abrasive agent (corundum).
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That is a very nice experiment! Thank you! Is there any new scientific explanation, on how they cut those up to 80 ton blocks in the cheops pyramid and e.g. the 1000+ ton unfinished obelisk in Aswan? Serious question and if you know a source, maybe you can post a link for me. Thank you :)
So what are we proving. That 17 mm Of Rose Granite can be cut through in 3. 5 hours?
What have you proven.
When you claim this is using ancient Egyptian methods there is a missing link here.
1. Show pictorial or written evidence that they did this.
The problem here is the extant tools available to examine were all small handheld tools, fine if you are discussing small items, less fine when discussing megalithic sizes, indeed if we take the length of the piece cut we can safely say it would take not much more to do a length a few times that to the same depth because the full reach of the arm will easily do so, but longer than say 4x the piece will not be done in the same time because one has to move, so as soon as you have a length longer than maximal arm reach, you need another like amount of time-Or another person but along a length only a certain number of people can work.
Now we have no pictorial or written evidence of long saws to do this nor any artefact to support so we are guessing, but give the benefit of the doubt and claim that which we have evidence for was used, or even longer saws. So, a cube has 8 faces to cut to give it the shape free of the surrounding unshaped rock.
So we can say at the wear rate of the copper, we need a lot of copper blades, so we should be able to show extensive amounts of copper and copper mining somewhere to provide the tools-We don't have this.
Then we have the water and sand or other abrasive agent, some of which could be reused but even so the wind and mingling with larger pieces of rock will demand tons upon tons of abrasive.
We have no evidence of extensive stores or transport of this.
And water, even if done beside the source, the water needs pumping.
All these alleged solutions always fail. Why, they are not doing to completion and are ignoring the reality.
For GOOD evidence.
Set up to complete 3 blocks the relevant size, then organise (and this organisation is part of the total time) who works when, get your stone from the nearest quarry, transport to where you deem it should be fully dressed, it being transported according to how you best feel it was. Use the tools you believe were used, use toilet facilities you believe were there or bring a porta loo and we excuse that as existing in initial set up or travel to home after working day. And then set to.
Factor any on site breaks deemed necessary but with say 3+ workers this should permit a continual rotation, once you have quarried the 3 lumps of granite, moved them and cut them and logged the amount of water and abrasive used, and how many tools gone through and have 3 perfect blocks completed, THEN you can pretend you have solved a mystery but as it stands, you gave us an idea that lacks wider considerations of working issues like transport, proving the tools, feeding, water and abrasive quantities needed, tool turnover rate. And simply wasted 3.5 hours to cut a thin sliver into the granite. IE you have proved YOU can do what YOU did, you have NOT proven to a scientific standard that that would meet the rate required to build whatever you are trying to prove.
So let us not be dishonest
@@barrymead3358 On all ancient building sites, which construction method we do understand, we did find the tools in the excavations of those places. This really is an interesting point in my opinion.
@@tobytoxd Yes in some we have, the pyramids and surrounding complexes, which did use beside the easy to crave sandstone and limestone, granite.
Given the sheer quantity of stone and how fast it had to be put in place, they needed a better option than what is proposed here.
Theories abound but whatever we go with, a quick hazarded guess just is not enough. Take Petra for example, they had 2 masons replicate the entrance to one of the city entrances and they did so well, easy to carve and easy to replicate it took not too long with hammers and chisels, so we can be sure that if simple tools existed and they likely did, that is what they did there.
With places like Puma Punku or Machu Pichu or The entire ancient Egyptian works, we have to consider what tools we know were there, then test for a few full works, hence if we can establish say 3 granite pillars, sarcophagi or blocks for the pyramid (of the known granite ones) we can then factor for number of items of that material, where quarried, and how transported etc.
The demo here misses a lot for a truly scientific test and so cannot possibly be counted good enough as to be an "answer"
B.. b... but! All the charalatans and frauds say they had some lost "high" technology and did things that we cannot even reproduce today!
I know something was high, and it wasn't the technology...
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According to the specifications in the video description, it takes 3.5 hours to grind away 17mm of material. At that rate, assuming a 10cm diameter tube drill, to hollow out a 3.8mx3mx2m well in one of the sarapeum boxes, it would take 617.7 hours to drill one hole (3000/17*3.5). They would need to drill a total of approx. 760 holes (38x20), which would take 469,412 hours. Assuming 10 hours per day, 7 days per week, 365 days per year, it would take 129 years just to hollow out one sarapeum box, which does not include any finishing. Even if we assume they had 5 drills operating at a time, it would still take over 25 years just to roughly hollow out the inside of a sarapeum box. Unless I am missing something, this video proves that this is definitely not how the sarapeum boxes were made.
No it literally just took them that long to do it, Egyptians been around for thousands of years, few decades don’t mean much especially when it comes to architecture, Great Wall of China took hundreds of years to build
good analysis.
Also .. did their experiment leave the IDENTICAL tool marks as we see on the ancient stonework? If the experiment does not produce identical tool marks it is not the method the ancients used.
Tube drilling is a different technic. And in the beginning I think he said he was able to do 1 cm per hour. Also, these are amateurs, the egyptians perfected this over 1000s of years.
Also, they just show that it is possible (no ancient high tech, power or "diamond tools" needed), not the exact technic. The egyptian period was over 3000 years - they had time….and manpower.
So yes, I am sure you are missing something.
@@haknys He did a good job putting a line in that thin piece of granite using a tool that the Egyptians didn’t use. And also measure the cut to see how precise that line is to see how close to Egyptian level of precision regarding flatness thats only a few microns off. Also it’s just this century that even have tools that can measure microns and that tool can only be made with precision machine.
Now do it on a block of granite the size of a mini van twice and make sure the joints line up so tightly that at no part in the joint can you slip a piece of paper between the two blocks.
Several million times. On several work sites. What about inside cuts. What about the intricate carvings on hundreds of statues.
I see you wes! You also are a bright insight fan like me!
Not to mention sometimes curving the cuts to a small degree of error.
@@bowlofsoup12 @Professor Cakes bright insight? please...
This technique does not prove anything on how they cut granite.
I’d love to see a demonstration on how the scoop marks was done at the abandoned obelisk at Aswan
Pounding stones.
There's a few videos demonstrating it.
Well they are not "scoop" marks.
@@xibear4341 pounding stones theory is not only ideological, but an embarrassing theory.
The pounding stone theory is most likely correct, but the pounding stones they found are used ones, that's why they are rounded. The stones are dolerite, and comes in irregular bits, not rounded, so it functions like an pick-axe, they didn't pound the stone, they chopped and grinded pieces off, similar to what we do today, until the stones became round and used up. At 27:38 into this video you can see similar scoop marks, watch?v=qxkP9_5mskg
The edges of the scoop marks at the Obelisk have been soften and rounded because of wind and sand during years and years, that's why it looks like ice-cream marks and not hard edges.
@Seeyou Seemee Chop, not pund.
As an ex- aerospace engineer and builder of several houses, I have worked in many materials and with many advanced machine tools. The box with the half round arcitrave got me subscribing to your channel. The unpolished sections made with multiple facets tells me everything. These were made by serious machine tools, not hand tools without any doubt. The big elephant in the room is what happened to them
I believe the key to how they did the cuts lies in using a large, heavy, and long saw...suspended from some sort of framework. That would allow for a weighted "pendulum" effect. Having teams of people pulling the blade back and forth, while another team works the height of the blade on ropes. Having a tiny saw like the one used in this video, demonstrates that the principle is sound however. Well done!
Yes, the Egyptians even drew it. There are radiused cuts on unfinished items that perfectly match what you describe above!
@@juniorballs6025 show me the drawings
@@fustercluck2460 Sacred Geometry Decoded does it far better than I ever could mate, check out the channel. So much knowledge that's just ignored by the Lost Ancient High Technology lot. It's all on the channel, and he does practical demonstrations on cutting, moving etc. Actually quite riveting. Check it out, would love to hear what you make of it if you care to share?
@@klgamit worth noting the unfinished obelisk (if we're talking the same one) has so many flaws and imperfections that it's quite probable that it was a works scam of the time. So much work done to something so inherently flawed it was never going to fulfil its purpose. Add paid labour into the mix with paid supervisors and you have a fairly plausible hypothesis. Corruption is not a modern thing!!!
@@klgamit if you would like to see practical demonstrations, sacred geometry Decoded shows how it was all done with no outrageous claims, just elbow grease. There are pictures all over the pyramids and temples showing exactly how they did it all, but Lost Ancient Technology advocates ignore all that
I appreciate all of you and all the work that went into bringing this project and video.
As someone of Egyptian heritage, I greatly appreciate your efforts to verify that the Ancient Egyptian were indeed able to work with stone with such techniques as your video demonstrated.
I have so much more to say on this topic and this is not the place or time.
Anyways
Cheers
Kids do not try this on the kitchen countertop!
Kids, try this on the kitchen countertop. It's for science.
Anyone who could afford a real granite countertop isn't going to be that put out.
@@mnomadvfx My dad took out a mortgage on his house and used that money to buy the granite, then installed it by hand himself. Not only can he not afford to replace it, but you'd just break his heart by destroying all his hard work. 😥😁
😂🤣
@@Pekkhum I guess copper tools are strictly forbidden at your home, haha! ;)
Ok, now I want to see how they cut inside the granite to make a box.
Specifically the granite coffin of Lahun would require a different technique to fabricate, as the presented method can only cut through the entire length of material.
Also a time estimation would be helpful to get an idea how long it would take to create such an object from a natural granite block.
@@panicraptor2837 Are you talking about the lip on the top edge of the coffin?
@@joshuamiller8235 no, the inside cutout where the body lays
I.e. when you have a square block of wood, you can't use a saw to create an open box out of this, if you want the box to be a single piece of wood. Seems like it has to be done with carving tools, unless its possible to use the copper saws to make only partial cuts.
@@panicraptor2837 There some videos on TH-cam explaining how this is done. Basically they use copper tube drills to drill to the desired depth. Repeat across the entire surface of the cavity, overlapping each circular cut. Then you simply knock the cores out with a wedge, and finish the bottom and insides with stones.
Great work guys! SOOO much better than the work Mark Lehner did when he substituted limestone for granite and called it done.
Still, it just proves that this was not the method used in Egipt. The method from the video cannot be used on huge granite blocks, but only on thin slabs - makes a world of difference.
Salutations from Egypt, thank you for championing real history.
Thanks for watching!
Congratulations for your work! But I must tell you that, considering the time and the size of the cut, one must agree that the Pyramid builders did not use this tecnique, otherwise they would be still cutting stones today...
Most of the pyramid (~98%) was made out of limestone not granite. The pyramids were also built right next to the limestone quarry as well so they didn't have to transport it far.
If they use that technique it will take a million years cutting down the granite and another million years transforting them and another million yeats to construct the pyramid.
@@darrenb3830 They were not cutting a 2 kilos limestone but rather a several tons of such. Stocking them up even in todays technology is not evwn posible, did the acient just tossed them one by one to stacked them in place.
@@grande6075 They used earth ramps and roller pulleys.
The Egyptian didn’t put 16 t 36" thick bloc on the table and cutting it with a 10 inch copper plate. And I’m sure they didn’t have copper pipe also. Your trick is possible and plausible but not practical.
This is for you:
Granite, a Copper Saw, and Abrasive Material Principles of Loose Abrasive Sawing: antropogenez.ru/sawing/
"Principles of tubular free abrasive drilling" antropogenez.ru/drilling/
Well done guys! And how would you cut a granite vase making it perfectly symmetrical including on the inside? There are 40 thousand bowls and vases discovered at one site in Egypt. Any ideas?
First you have to aswer: what a method was used to mesure "perfect symmetry" of 40 thousand bowls? Any ideas?
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths Hey, You guys are the myth busters. That's your job. In modern times we measure thickness with precisely calibrated calipers, of which no trace of such tools were ever found in ancient sites. Aren't you suggesting with your videos that there is no mystery in the cutting of granite of ancient times ? That an amateur basically can do it with a piece of copper and some abrasive paste? I'm not suggesting aliens came down and did it, but there is a hell of a lot that is not known and your video does not in any way acknowledge this. Maybe you could state exactly which myth you are busting and I would be more clear on your intentions.
@Late to the party
> In modern times we measure thickness with precisely calibrated calipers, of which no trace of such tools were ever found in ancient sites. Aren't you suggesting with your videos that there is no mystery in the cutting of granite of ancient times?
I'm suggesting in my commentary that "perfect symmetry" is just words without any real measurings.
i recomend you videos about stone vases:
th-cam.com/video/dC3Z_DBnCp8/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/Mq2KGQajfAo/w-d-xo.html
and about "perfect artifacts": th-cam.com/video/HQi4yql7Ysg/w-d-xo.html
@@DarkNookShop Would you agree that if anyone else then the ancient Egyptians would make such a stone vase, with thin walls and inner hollowing, it would prove that no advanced technology is necessary?
@@DarkNookShop “did you think nobody would notice-“ LOL 😂😂😂😂😆😆😆😆😆brilliant!!😂 I watched them make that vase and I noticed the straight drill hole that was just LEFT as it was!!
Hahaha brilliant. 😂 I wouldn’t buy it as a souvenir 😂
Mind you the “ancient Egyptians” carved precise statues out of granite with these techniques?!?😂😂🤣🤣
Statues cannot be carved with a saw. You don't go fishing with an ax, do you?
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths Exactly! I was being sarcastic if you didn’t catch on lol
My Opinion is that technology was lost between the old kingdom and new kingdoms of egypt..
Technology? And what, in your opinion, did the sculptors of antiquity and the Renaissance do?
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths THEY CARVED STATUES OUT OF GRANITE DURING ANTIQUITIES AND THE RENAISSANCE?!? KEYWORD: “GRANITE”
@@BrOnX_BoOyAH_86 Why are you shouting? Take it easy please
another great example of practical archaeology. It took 3.5 hours to make such a small cut. Makes you really appreciate the work of the ancient egyptians even more. Though I imagine that they would have perfected the process and would have therefore taken less time.
Thank you!
The same materials and principles on a large copper pendulum saw would cut a 1 ton block requiring only one person, in likely a similar time frame and even less energy expenditure.
Imagine how much faster it could be if they could make the furrow narrower :)
@@RickFisher Are you stupid? You don't think gravity can do half the work for you when you are putting in the effort to resist gravity for half the stroke? Have you ever been on a set of swings? Have you ever seen a thing called a pendulum? Christ some people really are simple aren't they....
@@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE But.. you realise that you also have to input the energy to continue swinging.. especially if you're dragging against a surface.
Nice work team, you must be part Alien/Atlantean ;)
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Stop it its aftican
Lol this is not the method. Look at Valley of The Kings and tell me this is how they did it. Not saying Aliens, but this aint it.
There is a huge extrapolation being made .. try a 100 ton block of granite and slice off a 20 ton piece of it for the lid of a box .. and then carve out the inside .. that is just a tad different then clamping down a 1" piece at a perfect working height and sawing a bit of it and then say that is how they cut the 100 ton block .. I would also like to see you move those 50 - 100 ton blocks into the position the box and lids are in at the serapeaum .. we also see unfinished box there .. which seems to imply the lids were cut while under ground.. you do not do any of that.. just saw a small line on a small piece of perfectly positioned granite and then extrapolate that to 50 - 100 ton blocks.
I suggest you take your tools to a granite quarry .. and quarry out a 100 ton block of granite with the tools of the egyptians and move it down a tunnel and then build one of those boxes.. now THAT is a video I would love to see. I would like to see you slice off a 20 ton slab for the lid.
Also there is no pictures showing egyptians using saws 16 feet long ..there are granite boxes 12 feet plus in length .. it would take a massive saw .. to slice something that long .. do a demonstration of that ..
> here is a huge extrapolation being made .
By whom?
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths I am simply saying.. look at the oldest examples of precision granite and other hard stonework. Examine and record ALL tool marks that can be seen on the stonework .. conduct the experiment (not just a little scratch but deep cut marks that have been recorded all over) then compare the results .. does the experimental saw cuts leave IDENTICAL marks as on the stones we examined and recorded? If the experiment is NOT producing the same tool marks then it can't be the method used by the ancients.
An example is Mark Learner's core drilling sample they used a copper tube and sand and created a core. They then tried to pop it out with copper chisels and found they couldn't do it .. so they switched to steel chisels popped the core out and proclaimed it was a success and that is how the ancients did it. But that experiment and others done the same have NOT left the striations on the core or the walls of the hole. AGAIN .. examine and record the ancient stonework, Conduct the experiment and compare the results, If the experiment does NOT produce the identical tool marks as on the original that is NOT the method the ancients used.
I am not saying they had power tools .. but I do believe they had access to harder metals and worked with more refined abrasives and utilized technics that have been lost in time. As much ancient writings that we have . whole ancient libraries have been destroyed by one group of religious zealots or others.
On planet earth we have some areas that can launch people to space and other areas living in the stone age. Technical cultures have come and gone but stone age cultures always seem to survive.
I just believe there was a smaller culture in the past that achieved abilities that was more advanced than the hunter gatherers and spread certain stone working abilities around the globe and then for whatever reason died off taking that knowledge with them.
I am not talking power tools or motorized transport. just a small branch of humanity and not alien either .. We are still discovering new small branches like the denisovans etc .. And just like the natives of north and south America were not immune to new diseases when the europeans arrived these global travels could have just as easy picked up a bug the small culture could not survive.
I think of that culture as almost like missionaries in the past .. a boat load of a dozen to 100 would go and teach the word from a book the people had never seen before ... another example is WW2 and the Cargo cult. Americans came to remote islands in the pacific brought higher knowledge and left.. Later the natives build a plane from straw and hoped they would return.
damn that's awesome! It's wild that ancient civilizations not only figured stuff like this out but could reliably to it thousands of times in a row
Ok. Now cut a "small" block of granite weighing 70 tonnes. Perfectly flat on all sides.
Or a granite Obelisk weighing 400 tonnes?
Message me when you are finished...
Sorry, they aren't "perfectly flat" and multiply these 3 guys by a few hundred and 3x's as long every day for a year.
I know it's hard for a Hancuckian to use alittle logic.
It's pathetic how guys like you won't believe anything is possible until someone does it today and shows it on TH-cam. You give me or anyone few billion dollars and I will absolutely carve you a 70 ton block and move it around for you.
@@surfk9836 I was inside the great pyramid of Giza. I can assure you, those granite blocks inside are indeed very flat on all sides. There is absolutely no way you could achieve this level of finish with a copper saw. Nevermind the black sarcofagi in the valley of the kings, which boast a mirror polish.
@@fifthpint4571 regardless, still very much achievable with basic tools.
@@Realityisnt Is it, though? Show me how, because I struggle to picture it.
One thing is to cut granite or any hard stone but no one has ever shown in practice how you hollow out a giant perfectly square and level block of stone with square inside edges and perfectly level at the buttom, and then you have the big statues made with a precicion of a modern CNC machine
It would probably take thousands of manhours to achieve such a feat. It will probably never be achieved. The Egyptians had expert craftsmen who dedicated their lives to their craft and probably spent all hours of most days working on these artefacts. We don't need to reproduce them entirely to show that it is possible. This is because the 'lost technology' theories rely entirely on the argument that the artefects are not possible using bronze age technology. These kind of videos show it was possible. Remember the Egyptian stonemasons would have decades of experience and would have worked at far higher levels of sophistication than what is shown here. The point is that it is possible to cut granite and with high precision, as this and others have shown. We still don't know exactly how Stonehenge was built, but we don't need to rebuild a replica using neolithic tools to show it was possible. That's an impossible standard of evidence that is designed, I suspect, to just keep raising the bar every time ancient technology is shown to be more capable than some people imagine.
woden1809 I just wonder why they made things with such ease, and in such an enormous scale, the giant crazy heavy granite pilars wich they found a way to move out of the quarry, insanly precise symetrical statues and stone cut so thin it’s almost unbeliveable it did not break
I think showing how much time it takes to build a big stone box by hand will be important to show not only the how sceptics says it could be made but also how they would do the precision work
But how about making the Schist disc then? Then I would be really impressed
Fåvne 83 schist is a 3.5-4 on the moh scale, so softer than slate, which means that it would be very easily carved as long as it would hold together. I carve slate all the time (albiet with steel tools, but could as easily move it with flint, granite, or jade) This is not to undermine the craftsmanship of the artist who base this piece. It is undeniably a high order achievement. Perfect planes and tedious work.
@@wodenravens None of these videos prove that high precision can be achieved with these primitive tools. THAT is the gist of the entire "ancient high technology" argument! It's also the ONE thing never addressed! I'm not a believer one way or the other but if you can't seem to address the BIG mystery then you have proven nothing. What is required is to either prove the evidence of ancient high precision is wrong or to reproduce it with known ancient tools. Anything else is just pointless video making.
@@clydecourtney994 This is how the goalposts shift. At first it's the sheer force anf speed required. When that is shown to be possible the claims must retreat to precision. But, pray tell, what precision is impossible using this method?
If I take these numbers, it would take roughly 8 days of continuous sawing to get trough 1 meter of granite. Now to just measure all the cuts made on all granite object from the old kingdom to see if it's doable. For example to prepare one granite box 2x4m along with lid cutting is like 24m to cut, which is 192 days of contiuous sawing. One box.
These numbers are likely on the low end due to the inexperience of these TH-camrs. The REAL stonemasons probably had much better tools, if not large jigs with weights and ropes, possibly powered by water. And years of experience under their belt and multiple people making multiple cuts.
@@joshuamiller8235 Nope, these numbers are quite the opposite, the cut was short and they used the best abrasive they could. But I agree, that the REAL stonemasons probably had much better tools. They had to, in order to be able to cut all those thousands of quite large stones.
@@Princip666 I really have to disagree with that. They are using river sand, not some abrasive they bought from the store. The only thing they are using that the builders of the Egyptian megaliths didnt have is the plasticine clay. Which the builders could have used regular natural clay instead. And this is one of only a few times these guys have ever attempted this. They lack experience and the working muscles that the original builders would have had. These original builders did this every day, all day, until the day they physically couldn't.
Let me ask you this. Who do you think would finish a small stone carving statue first and with better results? A lifelong stonecutter, or some random person who has never picked up a chisel in his life, but read books on how they work? Experience matters in this type of setting.
@@joshuamiller8235 "utilizing a copper saw with an abrasive agent (corundum)" it's in the video description, are you even serious?
@@Princip666 100% serious. Abrasive does not = man made. Are some abrasives synthetic? absolutely. But not all.
But they wouldn't even need a synthetic abrasive. All they would have needed is finely crushed rock from the very same piece they are trying to cut, as an abrasive. Granite will cit granite. Or like in my previous comment, The megalith builders most likely used river sediment because it's already very fine.
I'm not gonna be your personal Google anymore, But I encourage you to look up the composition of Saharan sand, or the Composition of Nile river sediments. Then look up a mohs hardness scale and use it for reference when looking at the local sediment composition. No lasers, no supersonic drills, or geo-polymers, or aliens. Just pure hard work, craftsmanship, and time.
Also check out Mike Haduck Masonry channel on TH-cam. He visits these sites and comments on his theories as a 50 year 3rd generation stone mason.
first, you only saw one-two cm into the rock, explain me how do you think to go deeper into the block and face with side friction and also mantain a straight cut. did you ever saw a wood block by hand and make a straight cut? I'm in doubt
Second, is the corundum sand an available material easily found in nature? why not diamond sand? I don't think so, smart guys..
Third, as you gave up sawing the granite after only a few cm and all that time and work, I honestly think you neither think that egyptians, an advanced culture, were so idiots to spend all their life abrading blocks with an uneffective method.
A nice try but you are very far from convincing me this way
@Ooki Cooki the corundum is abrasive, of course, this is the principle they also cut stones today. Corundum is making the magic, but it is no surprise, in the mohr scale is higher (harder) than granite minerals. With diamond sand the cut would have been even faster. So, at the base of this experiment is the availability of corundum sand to egyptians.
@Ooki Cooki Thanks, bronze tooling was interesting. They ran out of tin for the alloy. Looks like they eventually solved that by importing it from Peru, near Lake Titicaca.
@Ooki Cooki are you saying that this video is not intended to show the technology used by egyptians to cut granite blocks?
@Ooki Cooki unfortunately materials have different preservation potential and thus the archeaological findings, if not protected from weathering, are subject to this and what survive are the most stable materials. As for paleontology I guess that also the archaeological record is incomplete.
Anyway I studied geology and not archaeology but these mysteries are fascinating and I would like to see a serious demonstration of how rock blocks were cut and mooved. I'm not convinced at all in the geopolymer theory but I'm not satisfied either from this video claiming this was the way they cut granite. I would enjoy to see the authors facing with a large granite piece and see if they are able to cut a block out with their tecnique. Many theories seems to be made from sitting on the sofa without facing the reality. There is the need to proove them in the field. The remaining is bullshit.
What method do you find most convincing?
Funny to watch them speeded up, I keep expecting benny hill to appear 😂😂😂😂
The copper tube drill you used has a very thin thickness.... but it took away a large amount of material at the circumference.... and left a small core of stone. Is that what we see in the Egyptian core- drill marks? Or is more core material left behind? Seems like manual labor causes shifting and removal of much material and Egyptian methods may have been different.
Very good!! Your the only one that showed how it could be done cutting straight and drilling holes.
But what about making boxes out of one granite stone and the lid too was cut from the same granite stone. How did they make the ultra flat shiny surfaces within several hundreds of an inch. Not to mention everything square and parallel. That's a head scratcher for sure.
You did very good with the straight cut and hole drill.
Maybe the bigger holes a foot and bigger had a very long rope going back and forth.
Keep at it.
Are the cut features from your example comparative to that of those evident in Egypt?
Yes.
This is an awesome example of practical granite work. If anything, it proves that it's easy to functionally cut and drill, explaining much of the rudimentary work found. But it doesn't explain the absurd level of precision in the oldest boxes and statues. It's just weird that the most precise stuff is the oldest stuff, like the ornate granite pottery that they used with makeshift mud lids.. Instead of making matching lids..
Just suggests to me that the artifacts were inherited and the culture imitated them with reverence.
Thank you!
> the absurd level of precision in the oldest boxes and statues
Key point: by what method was this "absurd level" mesured?
Where did you hear : " the most precise stuff is the oldest stuff "? That was the mistaken assessment of Ignatius Donnelly in the mid 19th century. It's also repeated, ad nauseum, by devotees of one ancient lost civilization guru or another. But please cite some examples of " the oldest stuff ", where it was found, how old it is, and what modern method was used to confirm this date. And maybe give your best guess as to how the precise work was done.
@@russellmillar7132 Yea, I'd love to tell you how old the stuff is. However, as I'm sure you already know, one can not simply carbon date granite. Speaking of "ad nauseum", dating precise granite works by the crude graffiti written on them lol. Perhaps the Aswan Egg dated 7000 years ago may be evidence enough for you? It likely depicts the great pyramid and the seasonal flood of the Nile. Also, the water erosion around the Sphinx is sus.
The El Lahun "burial chamber" is a strong example of absurd precision. Nowhere else has a perfectly arched granite ceiling like that, and the box in it is preposterously precise. It was most certainly not used as a burial chamber, by Egyptians atleast. Nothing about it is ornate or decorative, which is particularly suspicious for an "Egyptian" site.
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths Internal corner radius values of the El Lahun box is a good example. Even better than the boxes of the Serapeum.
@@ubberJakerz Okay then, who do you think did this? What is the timeline you favor for when this race of people ( ? ) began to develop primitive technology, and how long it took them, from then, to develop the advanced manufacturing capability that, it is assumed, they must have had. What types of tools did they have? If they had power tools, what type of power was used, and how was that power generated? And what evidence do you think has established the existence of such a civilization, and can it be anchored within a specific geologic stratum?
What dating method was used to determine the age of the Aswan Egg?
I've seen many geologists tackle the seeming puzzle of the base of the Sphinx and water erosion. Only one is adamant that it proves that the Sphinx was built prior to dynastic times. I was hopeful when that fellow, and others, back in 1992, made that assessment, that these independent researchers would surely, within three decades, have made breakthrough discoveries. And I hoped that they would have shown the world artefacts and other evidence of material culture of this previously unknown technologically advanced society. There should be museums around the world, filled with examples of the types of tools, vehicles, skyscrapers. scientific labs, and military installations these creatures must have had.
The ancient Egyptians used copper that had a bit of arsenic naturally alloyed with it, which made their copper much harder than pure copper.
Yes. Also as the Bronze Age progressed the various civilizations which existed then had access to a vast trading network which would facilitate their obtaining the things they required for smelting bronze and so forth. As an example. A shipwreck discovered a few years back off the coast of Turkey contained many items in its hold. Among those were tons of bronze ingots.
The bronze appears to have come from Cyprus - major copper mines and bronze smelting - while it contains tin from as far away as what is today Uzbekistan. Tin was also being sourced by these civilizations from as far away as Spain and beyond. So while the Egyptians also had their own sources of copper ore - which contained naturally occurring arsenic as you noted - and the ability to smelt bronze = they also imported many things. It is therefore possible they sometimes imported bronze to supplement what they themselves created resulting in tools whose chemical composition might vary from their locally produced ones.
Tutankhamun's gold death mask contained semi-precious stones which came from as far away as India and Afghanistan. The shipwreck above also contained Egyptian artifacts. So these cultures were actively involved in trading items to include as we see bronze etc. sourced from distant places. They were hardly "primitives" as some comically try to make them out as.
@@varyolla435they didn’t have bronze tools during the pyramids
@@GG-ng6zm 🥱🤦
In an age of convenience people cant get their heads around dedication to something
how much mass did the copper lose during use? it'd be interesting to know how much copper one needs per ton or cubic foot of granite block.
Read video description, plz.
Large blocks were mined using a different method
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths nice
Exactly. On attempts the copper lost was great. Forget it, this has been tried and is published - some of the earliest things tried to replicate ancient work. These techniquesdo not scale upward. They just don't. Could be used for later objects but not the huge ancient ones.
@@JK-ff6zc Yes. Rope and sand were used to cut blocks like butter. Very hard butter.
It's just slow. But it works perfectly well.
@@Chris.Davies Considering the size and number of blocks, I doubt it. It depends a lot on the type of stone. Suggest trying cutting even soft stone with rope, sand.
How would they cut any deeper than a couple inches?
After 2 inches the tip sand down the cut and wait for the wind to work its magic and repeat. They had all the time in the world🤔
Insert wedge to chip off the core, and repeat the process. The core could have been also ground, but I would avoid it since this is a lot of work. Note, the hole usually widens toward the top, as the tool also grinds the sides a bit and creates the grooves.
The Serapeum Stones (30 to 100 tons) were quarried 800km away, or further. 1st, the world's strongest modern crane can barely lift that weight. 2nd, these stones were hauled 800km overland before the invention of roads. Even a 2% incline, with a thousand men pulling with ropes, could not do this, and you can expect inclines of at least 5% for long stretches. Even on a sled or platform (I would like to see a wooden platform that could withstand 100 tons), going over rugged terrain is all but impossible (even with NO incline or decline) with the technology Egyptologists say they had. 3rd, the amount of food and water needed to sustain such a force would require an even more impressive amount of beasts, manpower, and what-have-you. It's similar to the preposterous theory that "ramps" were used in the building of the pyramids. It would take 30x the effort to make and move the ramp than it would cutting through the stones or leveling the ground to laser precision. So, do feel free to elucidate.
Watch a video of bulls dragging Mussolini's obelisk over logs in 1929. The obelisk weighed about 350 tons. The Egyptians preferred water transportation.
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths Please link the video, I cannot find it even using all the keywords. What I have to find out now is if a waterway that connected the quarry to where the stones are. Even if that were the case, I don't see how they could keep a 100 ton stone afloat.
The video: th-cam.com/video/PwcCxJJsCf0/w-d-xo.html
We have published a big video about the Serapeum sarcophagi th-cam.com/video/47HAYcii_Q8/w-d-xo.html
you can also pivot the stones no matter the weight, you place a small stone underneath near the center and spin in, place another stone down, lever it up onto that stone, then spin it, place another stone etc. one man can do many tonnes on his own, 10 men could do 100 easily.
Well done! And now you can also do it with a circular copper saw blade turned with a hand operated handle.
When you said that doing the task while doing a video clip is more more difficult I can fully confirm this! Greetings from another youtube creator!
love the authentic Egyptian clamps to hold everything steady. It also helps if the Egyptians find those granite stones with the pre-cut starter groove already in the stone.
They also weren't wearing Egyptian clothes. If you aim to demonstrate something other than that you are missing the point of the whole experiment, I'm afraid I'm not smart enough to get it.
I'm going to the UnchartedX channel and leaving a link to this video. They are basically the exact opposite of this channel and we need you guys to fight the idiotic misinformation! Thanks boys.
Thank you guys! Now we are preparing a new cool video. Especially for UnchartedX and other similar channels
@Daver G thanks for the idea
Once you post links to these videos he will shadow ban you, any comments you make on his channel will no longer appear to anyone else but you. He has to censor his channel to keep the mystery, it's pathetic.
@@MrRecklessryan thanks for the heads up!
Uncharted X it's a fraud who will ban people posting such thing, because he is protecting his profits....
I asked him to a debate and he banned me...
I am a gemstone carver, and I saw one of those "high tech speculation videos" and I immediately thought it was such bunk and thought this is the method I would use, and was going to do it but you beat me to it! Lol
"But it's so precise, like how could dumb dumb humans from ancient Egypt do that? Totally aliens bro."
@@s12830We are so lucky today that we have hammers and chisels.
Most of the fringe opinions are from uneducated quacks or people who read pseudo-science fantasy books by uneducated quacks and are ill-informed ;) Ancient Egypt is the only civilization that existed in the region at that time and was capable to do the job. They have left tons of artefacts, tools, also records, see Diary of Merer. They have also demonstrated superior masonry and art in general. The deeper we dig the more primitive stuff we find from neolithic settlements and earlier from palaeolithic. I did some math today for the other discussion and it is totally within the realm of possibility in terms of man-hours required. Any ideas how long it would take to cut limestone compared to granite? I assume it should be much easier, maybe even half a time required.
@@pavel9652 but the decent fringe opinions are from highly qualified stone masons, tool makers, engineers and geologists. Don't discount the serious alternative study because some fools see aliens everywhere.
@@MrPotatoMind There are only a handful of such good non-mainstream hypotheses. Fringe ideas are fringe because vast majority of exerts find them unlikely. This is for various reasons. They can be too complex, require too many assertions or be contradicted by the evidence. If you are not an expert yourself I recommend you stick to the scientific consensus, because this is what works. Aircraft don't fly on fringe ideas, modern medicine don't work on fringe ideas, people didn't land on the Moon with fringe ideas. I noticed that fringe ideas are compelling predominantly to uneducated, anti-system or contrarian in nature folk. I don't associate myself with such groups.
Thank you so much for the smoke extraction!
How did the ancient Egyptians round off granite pillars? You only showed strait cuts how where they able to make smooth perfectly rounded huge pillars?
With perfectly straight arms
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths hahaha you have no clue.
@@lewismaestas8547 haha
@@lewismaestas8547 lol😂😂😂👍👍
To all the “alien technology” folks, did the magic men also help build the Palace at Knossos? Or the Lion Gate of Mycenae? Or the Ishtar Gate? People in the Bronze Age knew how to work with stone, it was just difficult and took loads of manpower. Which these cultures had because farming work is seasonal work.
Do you ridicule people who were attacked by UFOs with missing time? And do you REALLY think they cut gigantic 1200 ton stones with copper tools? Look at the recent UnchartedX video about the unfinished obelisk still in the quarry. Saws made those scoop marks?
@@baneverything5580 Ah, a counter-troll has appeared! You can’t kid a kidder.
@@Detson404 If you think innacurately drilling and cutting granite with modern tools explains how the ancient Egyptians built their coffins and giant statues with surfaces accurate up to 2/10000 of an inch, nobody here said Aliens did it and that they had lasers and such….
@@Detson404 How did you end up disproving the “moths scale myth” if you ended up using sand which contains silica dioxide and is harder than steel to grind the granite with a copper saw, keep in mind that without the sand you end up with copper vs granite which basically is moths scale 4 hardness vs 6 hardness so you tell me where exactly did yall bust the “myth” 😭
@@baneverything5580 bro just watch this video by an actual historian who cites actual scientific research, i used to be in the UnchartedX, Randall Carlson, crowd but they don't use evidence to support their claims in reference to ancient Egypt, obviously stones could cut in this fashion now the burden of proof is upon UnchartedX if these 'Advanced' technologies existed to create these works of stone that you claim are impossible to make without this theorized tool, where is the archaeological evidence for this tool, why are we able to find a plethora of examples for the tools shown in this video existing, why is there no existing examples of the tools your referring to? If they were made with higher quality materials then what the later Egyptians had it would stand to reason that they may be preserved even better than the 'primitive' tools used by later Ancient Egyptians. I also wonder how and why the Egyptians seemingly became either incapable of making these tools or collectively lost/forgot how to make these tools, and if that is UnchartedX's hypothesis i once again ask where is the evidence. The problem with people like UnchartedX is they stack one hypothesis, upon another, upon another, until they are at advanced civilizations, they fail to even conclusively prove that the foundational theory they built all of their other ones on are correct, but yet they just assume it's correct and present to you as if they know it is correct so they can perpetuate more preposterous ideas and theories.
Wow! This convinced me even more that the Egyptians did not use copper tools.
Yes they did. But not for everything
Those copper tools have been found. You think aliens left them?
I also think we have more questions than answers: how much time would it take to cut all the stones, that are MUCH bigger than this? Not mentioning the transportation, lifting, placing and adjusting. And where is the structural project? But that was a nice try.
Even if they use this sawing granite method, how long should it have taken to cut one big granite block, and how many blocks are there.😢. How much man power it needs. I think they might had advanced technology than this. How can we underestimate the ancient Egyptians technology and knowledge. Without knowing. That's a lost civiliezed world .😊
@@1959Berre Check out Berre over here talking tough on the internet. Finally figured out how to use his phone good enough to feel comfortable flexing his big brain online.
We know they had copper tools asshat. We also know they likely used a different technique to cut the stones, given the time frame the pyramids were built in.
It's funny because everyone here who isn't convinced by this video isn't even mentioning aliens or magic; that's all of you butt hurt smart guys who can't handle being questioned.
"I don't know how the pyramids were made" - 10 million views. "This is how the pyramids were made" - 250,000 views. Great job Russians, keep doing awesome engineering and I hope you're not being forced to fight in wars.
this video in no way shows how the pyramids were made. It shows how one could cut granite with copper. It doesn't explain precision, how the blocks were quarried and moved hundreds of miles through sand, nor does it explain how they could've done it as quickly as historians believe it took them to build. Not to mention there is still zero known records of the egyptians depicting themselves constructing the pyramids.
This video is the equivalent of showing you how you can drive a car one handed. But it's still better to do it with two.
So i will give these guys the credit they deserve, they have proven that copper tools can indeed cut granite. That's one argument shot down. But there is literally hundreds of other pieces of information that makes the mind wander, and cannot be explained by anybody.
Thanks for showing us exactly how it wasn't done.
No way did the Egyptians ever even think of cutting stone like that so in efficient it's hilarious
They had technology you couldn't even imagine Explain how they carved on the high rogue glyphs in a cave we're under ground without using torches for light there's not a trace of any sort on the ceiling in any other pyramids
Whemn you showed the cross-section it was really helpful. It showed the "saw marks" that others claim could have only come from diamond-tipped drills etc.
ma quando ? vasi scavati internamente di basalto e iscrizioni perfette su 4 lati degli obelischi , insomma dovete far la pace con voi stessi e vedere chge tra antico e nuovo regno le tecniche sono diverse , vai a scolpire la statua di Ramses cosi e poi vediamo ..-....
@@regorgamer8103 since you posted in Italian, I will post in Portuguese.
E daí? O que está sendo mostrado é que todas coisas ditas impossíveis podem ser feitas com tecnologia simples. Só tem que se dedicar a pensar como, ao invés do atalho preguiçoso de achar que era tecnologia moderna e misteriosa sendo usada no passado.
Não importa o que mostrarem e o que fizerem, sempre vai ter alguém como você dizendo: "ah, mas isso não mostra como tal corte em tal lugar foi feito!"
@@rogeriopenna9014 non insegnarmi nulla sapientone , le prove evidenziate valgono meno delle prove evidente a mio parere.. e io non sono qualcuno che fa bla bla , ma una persona che ragiona, tu che ragionamento semplicistico fai , senza provarlo , chi è arrogante qui ?''
@@regorgamer8103 You are NOT someone who thinks. You are using an argument from ignorance fallacy. There is NO EVIDENCE of ancient high technology. In fact, most of what people call "evidence" does not even make sense from a high technological civilization standpoint.
Simplistic thinking??? What simplistic thinking? The simplistic thinking is ALWAYS on the side of those who think "we don´t know how something was done, therefore, god, or aliens, or ancient high tech".
Then we DO have modern people showing how it was done. But in typical foolish "I want to believe" fashion, you simply start moving goals posts. EVERYTHING the guys have shown on this channel you simply overlook, then find a specific video of something you think does not explain something you think is misterious and say "AHA! You haven´t disproved it's ancient high tech!!"
Go look at the other videos. Like that one where they totally debunked those granite cilinders!
@@regorgamer8103 Btw, are you a samnite descendant and are still butthurt the Rome beat your ancestors a few times until completely destroying them after the Social War?
Only that would explain your lack of appreciation for the things Romans could do, like the megaliths at Baalbek Temple of Jupiter.
Lost Ancient Low Technology in action:)
It's certainly not accounting for the micrometer precision in some of the boxes and the equally absurd precision on granite statues. No one with any brains is really saying that saws or drills are evidence of aliens.
@@ubberJakerz they had drills but i think it was powered with something other than whart the drills are powered with that we have today.
@@rubael-khatib68 The point is that there's no evidence for that. You can say you "think" but that means nothing. The only evidence I know of for advanced ancient drills is the jade bracelet found in Denisovan cave in Siberia. Egyptian drills are totally mundane.
Where is the source for the alleged high precision? I have heard it many times, but every time I see pictures there are obvious imperfections or the images are not precise enough, so I am sceptical.
@@pavel9652 go to uncharted x or brighter insight youtube channel. If you haven't found you definitely were not looking with any effort or simply chose to ignore what you found. It's all over the place smh 🤦🏾
Great! Now you just have to cut a granite box perfectly flat and rectangular weighing 80 tons, then lower it with ancient Egyptian ropes into an underground cavern, barely big enough to squeeze past it, into its niche. Oh and you have to make an 80 ton lid for it too. Do this twenty times and you’ve cracked ancient technology. The ancient Egyptians would laugh at you.
"an 80 ton lid"
What else would you like? Feel free to wish
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths you didn't answer the question, ok the lid is not 80 ton, that's the complete box, but never the less....
The cicular saw marks are so obvious, they can't be denied. You don't have to be an expert in stone cutting to see that they were using some kind of rotating saw blades, and for granite, you need diamond tips, there's no way around that one.
You see these saw marks everywhere around the world where megalitic structures appear.
So question is not, did they have a higher technology than we know of now, but what is the right timeframe and who were those people/civilisations.
Homo Sapiens Sapiens go back to 350K à 300K years according to the last discoveries in Marocco, so what have we done in this time span, it seemed obvious to me civilisations came and went during our time here on earth, that is not so far stretched. To me it seems more far stretched we didn't do anything in a 300000 year period, humans are not wired like this, we think and we try and and slowely we succeed.
The ancients had to many knowledge of astronomy, so they must have a good reason to be obsessed by the skies and how it all fitted the big picture.
The sad thing is that even today, moere and more people believe we live on a flat earth again. sic.
@@petejung3122 If humans had been significantly more advanced back then they would have left some trash somewhere yet no one has has ever found a 200000 yr old buried coke bottle or worn out craftsman wrench, or plastic, or drill holes used to get oil or natural gas and on an on and on. A significantly sized population, one large enough to develop sophisticated technologies, would have left something behind somewhere. The people who built that 80 ton box, left no trace of any advanced technology behind that can't be explained away by manpower + a lot of free time, so what does that mean....it means they probably didn't have any.
@@TYoung-up9ro You have some points, that the art of the discussion which is growing. But no one said that this civilisation was on our standard anyways.
The problem I have is that standard archeologist are saying that the old civilisations only had the tools they found at about 3500 BC. I always find that a bit ridiculous, for example, the egytians didn't invented the wheel yet around that time frame?
I you are able to build a complex structure like the piramids, with a lot of physics and math involved, but you haven't been able to invent the wheel, mmm. I find that idea really dismisive.
To me this was culture who were specialised in working with natural stones and they adapted their ways to work comfortably in these materials, no doubt about that, hence all the saw marks they discover. And if it was maybe more than 10000 years from the present, all evidence is lost of tooling, exept the monuments they have build and the markings on the buildingblocks, even Petrie was astounded when studied the markings. I just find it a plausible idea of earlier civilisations before the great cataclysmes, seems logical and not far stretched.
So let's not dismiss that idea, but keep on digging, finding the truth, that is all.
Pete Jung I'm not sure the ancient Egyptians did have a water wheel, it makes no sense to even attempt one without elevation, the land is too flat in that area to make any fast moving water sources to turn the wheel, the slow moving Nile is not going to be very good for turning one. But aside from that there were past civilizations who had say discovered iron 20000 years before gobekli teppe, there's a good chance we would've found some of there waste or left over tools or whatever in that corresponding level of earth that would let us know the age. And yet we find nothing to say they have anything we don't know they had, like in gobekli teppe, if they found a iron sword or a carriage or something it would blow the lid off a lot of these assumptions, but there's a whole city and they've found nothing we didn't already know humans could do if the wanted aka "carve and move rocks around, make pottery, make jewelry, etc". It makes sense to say well we've been modern level humans for 300000 yrs what the hell happened in the last 10k that made us get smarter etc etc but someone has to to be the first, and right now we have 0 evidence which shows we aren't the first to move to copper then iron then steam, then fossil fuels, them nukes, and on and on.
If farmers built the pyramids in their spare time imagine how very little farming they must have done
If this is genuinely your argument = stick to video games..... - just saying. 🤦
I would add that these individuals cut via brute force. The tomb of Rekhmire however contains the famous depiction of Egyptian craftsmen at work. Among the tools being seen are = weighted 2 man copper saws and tubular bow drills. So yes copper tools along with an abrasive such as sand or corundum can cut even granite with enough time. Using weighted saws in a frame however would lessen the workload for the individuals manipulating the setup.
On a side note. The ancient Egyptians were not dumb and even back then quarries were in continuous operation. In other words they would have partially quarried stone on hand and were not always procuring it only upon request. Granite sarcophagi etc. had been in use for centuries prior to the Giza necropolis being created. So Khufu's granite sarcophagus likely began to be fashioned as soon as he assumed the throne - or even before then. As such the Aswan quarry would have had years to fabricate and transport it to Giza before it needed to be placed in the pyramid. The engineers would have known how much granite they required = before the foundation of the pyramid was even laid out.
Well done! Now try using this method to replicate the granite box in the El Lahun Pyramide. One solid granite block, with perfect symmetrical lips, edges and a margin of error of flatness in a one in thousands of a inch.
I'm sure if you provide the funds for the block and the labour they would oblige.
Odds are mate, if the ancient masons made a mistake, they would have paid dearly for it, probably with their life. That's a great incentive to do it properly.
the pyramids weren't build by slaves. it was paid labour.
Out of all comments the one above me makes the most sense. Think about it
I love your videos! These experiments are very valuable for historical education. (In fact, I featured your channel in my latest video when discussing Egyptian stone vases.) I will tell as many people about your channel as I can.
Thank you!
I am here because of your channel. And thank you both for your valuable work.
World! Could you help us to dub some of our videos? :-)
Are you kidding? These people haven’t ‘proven’ anything except what tiny accomplishment THEY DID. The ancient Egyptians would be rolling around on the floor laughing at these people and the rate their work progressed. The only way to show it’s possible to make huge perfectly flat granite boxes is to actually make a huge perfectly flat granite box weighing 80 tons, after moving it 300 miles using ancient Egyptian ways. When they’ve made one of those then I’ll take notice. I’ll wait.
@@TheGreatest1974 "The only way to show it’s possible to make huge perfectly flat granite boxes is to actually make a huge perfectly flat granite box weighing 80 tons, after moving it 300 miles using ancient Egyptian ways." This statement is logically fallacious. It is NOT the only way to show it's possible. It's equivalent to saying, "The only way to show it's possible for George Lucas to have made Star Wars is to make Star Wars yourself - and it has to be just as good!"
I always respect the people who come up with an idea and then PROVE IT BY ACTALLY DOING IT! Some commenters are saying that "ok this might work on a small scale, but the pyramids were huge". To them I would say.. if you can move something an inch, you can move it a mile. As far as i am concerned you just proved that you can saw granite with a copper saw.
No saws large enough have been found. The only depictions of saws show them cutting wood. If there were saws large enough being used in that time period they would’ve been found or depicted so it’s tough to say how they actually did it
To you I would say do some basic arithmetic even using the figures generated by this experiment.
Nah dude, there are millions of blocks and they say it was done in twenty years. Do the math, even this (which is awesome) doesn't add up. They cut through some of the hardest rock in the world like butter, fitted them perfectly together (according to a pre-designed plan according to architects analysing it) and moved them hundreds of kilometres.
We are missing something. Most evidence points to the timeline being wrong. The pyramids are far older than they have been credited. Monoliths were built with tools or methods still unknown to us. my money is on some kind of advanced vibration based method. We know that that would work (ant it would work with copper tools to actually shape it if the vibration was present somehow).
Pyramids have been built in around 20 years btw. Good luck achieving that with presented methods
the last lines reminds me of a famous line "if you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball"
And to think some people still think granite was cut with extraterritorial high tech laser or advance diamond tipped tools not sand, water and a metal saw...
Would love to see you guys attempt to recreate the stone jars that are apparently so precise modern machinery can't match them
@@darklight2.1 What is your opinion on the scans down by Alex Dunn and Nick Sierra?
@@darklight2.1 you don't think the STL file showed anything amazing? I have to disagree with that point. Do you think humans are capable of such precision, down to a thousandth of an inch, through pure experience and skill?
Beautiful.
Easier than I thought possible. Easy enough for children to be shown, and that they can understand, and be enlightened enough not to fall for the lost high ancient alien technology crowd of fraudsters.
I'm going to play around with granite and hard stone sculpture and shaping, more as a aesthetic thing, but using these techniques is going to save a fortune, and prove educational at the same time.
Love your videos. I want a t-shirt with your logo!
Keep it up!
Thank you! )
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@Daver G Quite sad isn't it, Unchartedx shadow banned me from his channel for doing the same, they have to censor comments to keep.the mystery alive.
I strongly believe this could be the way straight cuts were done. Also after a 1cm cut is obtained they must have used a wire of some sort. Because the blocks were upto a meter thick.
However I strongly believe diamond (not the shiny cut diamonds. Crude hard ones) chisels would have been used. There is a teapot in Cairo museum made entirely of granite. It's spout is bent in an S shape and is hollow and fully functional. I can only think of a diamond tool for that.
@@SF-li9kh You can use Corrundum or Quartz It will just take a little more elbow grease.
Oh yeah. More than 2,300,000 limestone and granite blocks were chopped with 6 sides 1 meter wide with this technique. The whole world population at that time (24mil) needs to do this type of chopping for a couple of thousand years, to finish one pyramid. But sure. Get a T-shirt.
Wow. I'm glad I'm not so far down the rabbit hole of buying into some of the myths surrounding this topic that, in my denial, I would disregard this video as some sort of hoax.
It's kind of sad that if you type "cutting granite with copper tools" into google it actually shows you a little snippet saying "With tools made from copper this type of stone simply can't be cut."
Truly great work though, guys. Thanks for this.
Ps. How do you think the intricate granite sculptures were made? I think there are some of those, right?
Thanks!
>How do you think the intricate granite sculptures were made? I think there are some of those, right?
Take a look: th-cam.com/video/q_lHOoKlgc8/w-d-xo.html
Went looking for this info, not surprised I found it. Diamond has been cut n polished with copper tools for a very long time. The abrasive is trick. Did they use the local sand or did they mine special sand? Beach sand is rounded, rough quartz sand better? Copper wire or string saws for the long cuts?
@@alwayscensored6871 We tried sawing with sandstone, wood with abrasive, bone with abrasive, rope with abrasive.
The rope is constantly breaking.
Corundum abrasive is certainly better than quartz sand.
Surely the Egyptians knew the best ways )
@Travigon One Now we are making a diorite vase. I don't think the statue is much more complicated.
all these videos speculating on the methods of pyramid construction leave me with many questions. This video makes me wonder where are all the remnants of copper tooling in that area and what were the abrasive agents, should be a lot of waste deposits from quarry work till there in the ground. Where did the abrasives come from. I am a lapidary and it boggles my mind to think of the time and labor involved to do all that cutting on such massive amounts of stone, it would have been painstakingly slow.
The tools and the grinding agents have been found. The work went faster than you think. They had an enormous labour force and decades of time to spend.
Not wanting to sound like a conspiracy theorist but it took 3 men and lot of hard work to make a couple of grooves in a small granite slab. How can this process be scaled up so that you create the intricate giant works we see? What about the many granite statues that are so perfectly proportioned?
Do that your whole life and you'll be 10 times faster than all of them combined. Now scale up to 100 of such craftsmen.
@@ghos7bear Your reply makes no sense whatsoever and it shows very clearly that you either haven't thought about the issue or do not understand the magnitude of the challenge.
@@masterblaster4784 Your reply makes no sense whatsoever and it shows very clearly that you either haven't thought about the issue or do not understand the magnitude of the challenge. Back to you.
i wish the channels who peddle the "they didn't have tools to cut granite" "high precision cuts" bullshit etc...would 'debunk' videos like this. it would be entertaining to say the least. the fact they are completely silent about these videos, despite being linked to them a bunch of times really says a lot.
To debunk a thing demands you first have compelling evidence to offer an alternative explanation. Those videos you allude to are based upon ignorance and incredulity offering up little more than argumentum ad ignorantiam - aka "innuendo". Their target audience are people who are gullible enough to believe them based upon too much consumption of pseudoscience/history and entertainment television. This video on the other hand is supported by historical/archeological/scientific evidence.
@@varyolla435 well said.
Also, that scraping sound goes right to my spine. I would have not wanted to be anywhere near that part of ancient Egypt.
Now imagine 20.000 people doing this 16 hours a day for 40 years because they are excited for the pharaoh's afterlife. I just realized - ancient Egyptians must have invented meth!
@@disklamer Actually most of the predynastic and early dynastic work was not exactly for the Pharoah's afterlife only. And this is not the way the large items were made from granite and basalt and other very hard rocks. The loss of copper is great and the process does not scale to the size required. A little research into what is already published would have saved the misinformation of this video. :(
Now if only every cut was perfect and every piece of granite was only 1 inch thick. The granite blocks were set right next to each other... Also, how many straight edges do you think they had at their disposal? That machine cut straight edge you used... Great job trying to explain, but still don't think that explains it.
A simple piece of string makes a perfect straight edge.
@@harrycooper5231 If you use a string, you still have to eyeball it, because you can't put any pressure on the flexible string...
@@damion1757 You implied they didn't have straight edges. I pointed out they had unlimited straight edges. You've clearly never used a string as a straight edge, so maybe do some research on how it's done before commenting?
@@harrycooper5231 No, I have, and everytime it's never straight!!! It's close, but do you understand the accuracy required for some of those granite blocks that are cut to fit together so closely? Apparently not.
@@harrycooper5231 You think they had chalk lines back then? lol
I appreciate the experiments being ran, but this pushes the evidence away from copper saws, not brings it closer.
It would take more than 3000 years of man hours to do all the granite that we see in Egypt, and it doesn't address the literal laser equivalent accuracy of the angles and surfaces.
This method would make a smooth surface, but not a flat one.
You realize you're saying it would only take 3000 men a year to create the Egyptian granite works right? Lmao
@@el_amor no, that's not the correct math, try again
What laser accuracy? The pyramid blocks aren't considered smooth or rounded by our standards, they are simply considered excellently carved which they are because the stone masons working on them were very good. You don't get commissioned to build stone works for a living god unless you are really good.
Is easy to tell someone why something doesn’t work. It’s much harder to come up with a theory of how something was done. Rather then leave a negative comment about how impractical this is, trying taking the information and make his ideas better! I personally never knew granite could be cut that quick with copper. Or at all.
1700 billion hours later -- ONE granite block! Whoohoo!
Cue the morons saying it was ancient aliens with 3-axis CNC machines and precision power cutting tools.
Nice! Now use this method to cat a 100ton block out of the bedrock
Do you often cut trees with a jigsaw?
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths No for that I would use a chainsaw
And for a large granite block, I would use a team of dolerite hammers
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths Then show us that insted of scratching some 1 cm slab. That proves nothing
This proves exactly what it was supposed to prove. We haven't plan prove all what you want.
For any of you AA Theorists or Graham Hancock fans, this video is a scaled-down version of what went down at those ancient quarries, but the key things to take away from this are
1. Precision: look at how incredibly straight and smooth the cut is.
2. Materials: these guys did this with copper, sand and water in about 3.5 hours.
3. Skill: the people building the pyramids were highly skilled craftsmen who had years of experience, and there were thousands of them.
Precision? I didn't see them measure anything? How about a surface roughness gauge, how about some laser scanning and put it in the computer and see how accurate it is. Make a square box with inside corners all square to each other to .001"
Great demonstrations of ancient techniques, you folks are really awesome!
And where did the egyptians plugged in the electric stone saw? Did they have wind turbines? I've cut a lot of tiles with it, it's a dirty job, it itches the skin, but you make quick progress.
A large stone would not need to be cut all the way through. Wedges and a mallet would finish the job. The Granit will fracture along the cut.
Thousand years working on the same materials makes a civilization develop strong ways to manipulate it. We, through the time, upgraded that technologies to the actual state of art. There is no lost technology, we are using modern versions of what our ancestries used and gave us as legacy.
Good job men.
Thank you!
Very cool. I would have thought a wire or cord would be used. The Chinese cut jade with silk cord. The flat sheet has some clear advantages, especially when detail carving.
Thank you. In our experiments, the cords broke very quickly.
Anyone who believes this is a plausible explanation hasn’t examined the ancient artifacts very well.
Or knows anything about using cutting tools. The blades required to cut blocks of the size the ancient Egyptians were using would be enormous. So, where are they?
@@rolanddeschain965 2 man copper saws are depicted in ancient Egyptian artwork. Black Mediterranean sand is higher on the mohs scale than granite. Mixed with water the slurry is highly abrasive and it is that that does the work.
The main material for pyramid construction was local limestone an easily worked material. The skilled craftsman worked the hard granite from the Aswan quarry.
The British museum has a collection of granite bowl making tools.
I think when looking at these structures, a lot of modern people get confused on, why would anybody put this level of manual labor into something. Then in walks the lost high ancient technology people. This is just the material they had on hand and they were good working with it. The modern instant gratification mindset has troubled grasping it.
1000000 million years later, you'll have a pyramid
LOL, you seriously think that whole pyramid is made from granite? Maybe check again your knowledge;)
Now cut a block the size of 2 70 inch TVs with this same method. And then move and place a block that weighs 200 tons. Do this 2000 times. Also shape and polish a statue made of granite with preciseness. Good luck 🍀
And write at least one non-standard comment. Good luck ))
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths it’s not standard, by far from standard. If it were standard then all Egyptologist would say it. The standard is that the pyramids were built in 20ish years using crude methods. Great job on trying to solve the mystery but it would take too long to complete the pyramids this way. I’d like for you to get with others that work in scientific fields and show them your methods. Maybe a podcast or something, show your evidence and see what they think. They may have some questions.
@@chiefsilverstacker1176 These guys are a handful of researchers and archaeologists haha they don't have the whole Egyptian civilisation at their will to help....
@@jcie1210mk3 did I say to get the whole Egyptian civilization together?
@@chiefsilverstacker1176 "do this 2000 times" these are a handful of people. Why would they do this several thousand times 😂 they don't have to... You do know theres plenty of people that shape granite by hand today also?
What is this supposed to prove? This is how they cut and shaped huge 10 - 100 ton blocks is it? What about the other cut Mark's we find and the hollowing out of miles and miles of hard rock caves. What about the perfect circles of stone and rock that we also find. How long did that take, you said about an hour, but you didnt show us any timing. I'm just wondering what this is supposed to prove?
This is about decorative cuts at Karnak Temple: th-cam.com/video/i8ZHYWle0DE/w-d-xo.html
Large blocks were not cut
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths Theres still a whole range of stuff around the world that you scientists have absolutely no idea about how some of these things were achieved, just at the Gaza plateau alone there are mysteries that cannot be explained.
I just have a problem with all these comments that say, ahh yeah everything is solved now, we know exactly how everything was achieved. "Thankyou video I can rest in the knowledge everything has been explained" That's my point. We dont even know the hardness of the granite they are cutting, the time it took to make that little cut? Yes we can see that the experiment and tools they use, cut granite. Okay great, there are still many things all over this planet, no one has any clue about how it was achieved and what was used.
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths Also there are many huge blocks with cut Mark's, drill holes and drilling marks. Huge gauge Mark's you can see aswell. You think they were all split and prised apart yeah. Your wrong.
My friend, do you want one experiment to explain everything? It doesn't happen.
We are gradually posting videos of our various experiments on this channel.
@Question Everything it proves that it CAN be done,
Yes it's hard work, did he do it the most efficient way? Almost certainly not, but hey, he's not bad for a beginner! Come back in year or so and he will breeze through that with the knowledge and experience built up in that time,
If he were to learn the skills from his father and do it for 20 years and pass those skills down the generations, just think what his great, great, great grandson could achieve,
Everything has to be instant these days, no one has time to spend to do someting that is slow and difficult... But back then there wasn't much choice
The results of the work done in this video are exactly the kind of results we see in the artifacts from the ancient Egyptians and is solid proof that if they did work on granite using copper tools, this is how it was done. Rounded edges, random wavy surfaces, grind-marks, severely conical drill holes -- it's all there, just exactly the way the dynastic Eqyptians' used to create it....
and they were damn skilled craftsmen too, conspiracy theorists cant conprehend how good you can be at something
If someone sqauts in a building and sprays graffiti everywhere and then dies in it, you dont assume they built the building. Later Egyptians inherited all the early stuff and tried their hand at renovation and copying what they saw. There is a remarkable difference between the earlier monolithic buildings and artefacts and the later stuff.
Now carve a perfectly symmetrical 15 foot statue, and instead of granite use obsidian.
This is silly. There is no way in hell that the Egyptians cut megalithic granite stones like this.
Thanks, SGD!
Have you tried working granite by using fire setting? They tried this in Aswan a few years ago, for a documentary and it seemed to work pretty fast.
Do you perhaps know which docu this was? Would love to see it.
Thanks
@@timvw01 "Egypt 10 greatest discoveries" - you can find it on you tube. The granite working takes place between 15:00 - 20:00. Cheers!
@@MrAchile13 Thank you that was amazing! Never seen that any where before.
@@curledupyou did bot exagerate, it was indeed amazing
According to the specifications in the video description, it takes 3.5 hours to grind away 17mm of material. At that rate, assuming a 10cm diameter tube drill, to hollow out a 3.8mx3mx2m well in one of the sarapeum boxes, it would take 617.7 hours to drill one hole (3000/17*3.5). They would need to drill a total of approx. 760 holes (38x20), which would take 469,412 hours. Assuming 10 hours per day, 7 days per week, 365 days per year, it would take 129 years just to hollow out one sarapeum box, which does not include any finishing. Even if we assume they had 5 drills operating at a time, it would still take over 25 years just to roughly hollow out the inside of a sarapeum box. Unless I am missing something, this video proves that this is definitely not how the sarapeum boxes were made. - repost!!
Or maybe they weren’t drilled, didn’t it occur to you?
th-cam.com/video/6LRkBBYH1TY/w-d-xo.html
"Tthis is definitely not how the sarapeum boxes were made" - Yes, sure
When I worked in textiles I often wondered how cotton thread could cut steel and aluminum. My dad a textile engineer told me it was the sand in the cotton it picked up in the fields.
Can you carve into this granite a square that is perfectly symmetrical using the tools available at the time?
What means "perfectly symmetrical"?
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths A cubic cavity having opposing walls parallel to each other, adjacent walls at 90 degrees to each other, and the floor perpendicular to the walls. With nice sharp edges all around, thanks. Good luck.
@@iforce2d seems its hard for them to say they cant do it..
Great work....most will never see the accomplishment here where copper tools can do great things on harder rocks by using carborundum but I think the builders then used diamond powder found everywhere on earth and this powder was melted with some copper tools such as chisel tips, drilling cylinders and cutting copper wheels ..... masters as they were of all resources, fire being one and all around them for sure were too masters of making assisting wooden tools...... but wood decays over time so we do not see them today, many intelligent influencers out there still continue to waste their precious times arguing against the less intelligent established academia with talks about simpler or poorer copper tools...... less imagine that one or more inventors of today went to the farthest corners and met with people there, then people receiving the inventors would benefit so much from the visitor ...masters of time and rhe universe, where from the visitor came to Russia, India, China Egipt and the Americas?
OMG. Stop the stupid fantasies.
I have never seen a demonstration of how precise corners in a granite 📦 box are done with this technique. That would be an awesome video to examine. Has this been done?
Demonstration of how precise corners are in the granite boxes of Serapeum coming soon. Avesom video!
Scientists Against Myths Can’t wait ! You just got one more subscriber. 🔺
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths No way! That is the holy grail of megalith construction. Also I can definitely see how those giant saw marks would have occurred if they had 2 guys with a giant version of your copper saw.
We have published a big video about the Serapeum sarcophagi th-cam.com/video/47HAYcii_Q8/w-d-xo.html
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths Make sure to produce precise corners on the inside of a granite box.
Still hard to believe when they managed to cut metre long incisions
I know a bunch of youtube celebrities that if they watch this channel they will get a stroke
Concerning the building of impossible structures by ancient civilizations, I submit, that it's not ancient high technology, but sediment hardnesses.
In the beginning, God separated water from land, which created large layers of soft malleable sediments. This same exact geography would occur a second time during the Global Flood of Noah's age.
As humanity increased in population and spread throughout the earth, they would inevitably encounter these materials and begin making impossible statues, columns, temples, murals with very detailed and exquisite carvings or etchings that had glass smooth polished surfaces, because until they hardened fully, they would be as clay.
As the centuries passed and these sedimentary layers solidified into solid rock, the capability to reproduce what the ancients had achieved was no longer available to them, which is why you clearly see a drastic decline in quality of work and type of stones being used.
This perfectly explains the capabilities of ancient civilizations and how they achieved their impossible to duplicate creations, yet instead of allowing the Bible to guide archaeologists into the correct answer of how megalithic structures and impossible to create statues from the hardest rock known was built, they wander off into the ridiculous ideology of ancient space alien technology.
now just scale up that little piece of granite they are using to a couple tons, same with the saw, and then the pressure they are using to cut it, now that would be a useful experiment
The good news is, you don't really need too big of a saw, just a lot of patient hard workers with separate saws. The pressure stays consistent as well, since the friction only needs to overcome the local hardness. That said, for cuts that are too deep in both dimensions, creating a groove to pry at it to crack it loose (perhaps with the help of alternating fire and water as was used in China to cut through a mountain, but that runs a greater risk of cracking the wrong way) then chipping and finally polishing the face to a finish would work better.
I am very much not interested in spending my everyday life cutting out and polishing granite blocks with simple hand tools. 😣
@@giuseppe9357 If you insist on creating a smooth cut, instead of polishing the surface after cutting, this is where you stop depending so heavily on hardness (e.g. a taller blade) and depend more on tensile strength using a long sheet with a handle at each end held under tension.
That said, that is the harder way, when compared to breaking the block loose then using grinding and polishing methods to cut away uneven segments. I suppose it would matter more how the time cost and manpower cost varied, though, which one an ancient foreman would choose.
Stone workers may have used unskilled labor for some tasks, but it was a skilled profession in general.
Edit: fix some typos
@@giuseppe9357 I agree, but you were talking about things not tested in the video, so between you and I we have spotted a flaw in the video and proposed a hypothesis. Designing and executing an experiment is the next step. The results of that decide the evidence, not conjecture.
@@Pekkhum this is a good discussion, perhaps the author of the video would want to join as well?
Very cool guys! Thanks for sharing. You only used copper blade, water and sand dust? Impressive. I must try this.
Im polishing rocks by hand by using the same method.
They could have scored the stone with a rock then tapped a along the score line it would have been a cleaner cut with less loss then pollished the surface. But that would take less than a minute.
Time can build anything. Conspiracy theorist must always be in a hurry.
Good now let's rebuild American bridges they are in dire need.
Except that pyramid was built in like 10 years so that’s impossible
@@manbearpig710 Except that's not true at all.
@@vlaydros actually it is
On some of the blocks and on the drill tubes, you can use the score lines and simple math to determine the cut rate. Unless you can massively speed up your attempt, this seriously fails.
Common sense kicks ass. You people are heroes.
Thanks!
I love these types of videos. I also Like Unchartered X and greatly enjoyed Chris Dunn's book on Lost Technologies from Ancient Egypt. We don't know, and will never know, exactly how these ancient artifacts found in Egypt and elsewhere were made. We're all just postulating how they could or could not have been made. In that regard videos like this and others which show someone trying to replicate a possible process are valuable, but of course not conclusive. The discussion should not have devolved into an argument.
Thanks for the comment. Chris Dunn is a dreamer (to put it mildly). We will tell about this in one of the following videos (so far there is only a version in Russian)
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths So Chris Dunn wasn't a manufacturing engineer? He never actually went to Egypt to study the artifacts left there that he describes in his books? His measurements of the precision of the artifacts he studied in Egypt were just figments of his imagination? He was just a "dreamer"? When people start using pejoratives like "dreamer," or "fringe," instead of addressing the merits of another's work then I tend to discount their arguments. Just one man's opinion. As I said, videos like this are positive in that they show people actually trying to replicate processes, but if you are going to dismiss someone else's work come up with something beyond that they're "a dreamer."
chrisboeman I think it’s the conclusions that are a bit magical. And also the breathless amazement at symmetry and precision.
@@chrisboeman Are you new to the Alternative Science Entertainment Industry ? Which has been going strong for the last 20 years or so.
Not that it wasn't around before. Just that it has evolved into a common viable commercial industry of entertainment , that people will invest in for the purposes of making money.
And if they were really interested in knowing stuff ... You'd think somebody could have figured out how to strap a laser beam on a shark by now in order to prove their theory.
It seems the truth with them is , it is a bad investment to test their theories , and it would likely have the effect to make their cash cow dry up.
I view the difference between Science and pseudo science . Like one is interested in putting on car shows , and the other is interested in racing cars.
Can you guess which is which ?
@@chrisboeman I agree with what you said about subjects degrading into lame arguments and baseless personal attacks on the person. If someone lowers themself to this level it only shouts "I'm unable to argue the point". Besides, don't we all want to get to the truth? I can't see how anyone can be 100% sure of their position on these topics, but there seems to be a lot of people that think they are. Sad.
Very well done, but how did they carve such details into granite statue's with compound edges and depths, all while being incredibly accurate and mirroring the opposite side of a statue? Mind blowing. Carve me a detailed symmetrical statue face in granite, then I'll be impressed
So, it must have been the aliens after all?
@@Usumgallu There's little doubt they had help from some form of higher intelligence.
@@petergriffin383 Oh yeah, the little green guys from Mars. I get it.
@@Usumgallu No, not necessarily that... However, little green men from Mars is no stranger than many of the stories in the Bible and other religious text's, and people believe those.. so why is the belief that they had help from a more intelligent being so outrageous? There's simply no other explanation on how these pyramids and other ancient wonders were built.. they must've had help. The more you learn about the ancient world, the more it becomes obvious that they had help from some form of higher intelligent being(s).
@@petergriffin383 There are no other explanations if you refuse to read about them. The fact that you don't understand something (or want to learn about it), does not make it supernatural.
So what exactly is so mysterious that it would have needed help from the little antenna-headed men? Also, what "other ancient wonders" are you referring to?
UnchartedX left the 1 dislike lol
or Marc Myers, or Prof M. It was your comment I read about him and I've gone to UnchartedX to have a pop LOL Wonder if I'll get blocked?
The swine had shadow banned me already. I posted this on his latest upload *"I see you've got a shill, Marc Myers/Prof M roaming around the comments section on videos that prove all the ancients work was possible by the tools they had. There are now videos of all their methods working with just copper tools, sand and water. He goes around trying to censor comments and tried to keep the 'mystery' and 'lost high tech' bullshit alive. He then deletes his comments. A very underhand, corrupt method there. It's good to see these new channels run by professional masons showing us how it was all possible with hand tools. This bullshit 'lost high tech' needs killing off. It's followers are just the same as flat earthers when they are shown how it's done, they refuse to accept it. Just like a flat earther. Ancient stone work was possible using the tools they had. Fact. Proof is there for you to see, but you'll close you eyes. Typical."* Within 15 min of ms posting, I could see my comment when viewing the comments on my account, but my comment isn't there when viewing the video from another account. I've emailed him to complain, and let him know I will be reporting it to TH-cam. All he wants is subs and views to earn money, yet he knows he's pushing a lie. Corrupt is what he is. Thank YOU for highlighting it.
@@MrRecklessryan agreed.
sure, now the precision, the quarry, the transport, the lifting and the fitting, all in 20 years.
now patreon.com/antropogenez_world
I'm sure they were perfectly able to build wooden mechanical devices to help with precision, speed and required less manpower to do the cutting.