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At this point should the narrative be taken to "why are you lying" when addressing academia and so-called archaeologist? You, Brien Foerester and many others have presented a fantastic case for ancient high tech. Only a fool would believe these artifacts were produced by crude pounding tools.
Both the cornice (column end piece) & columns were cut on huge lathes. I see programmable lathe work plain as day. So let me explain what tools are still on the world's great stone worksites. A house & a large building are built similarly, so I'll use a house as my example because it's simpler. First, a surveyor drives up, gets out his tools, does his survey, puts his tools back in his truck and drives away with his tools. Next, a truck drives up with a bulldozer, he brings out the bulldozer, clears the site, puts his bulldozer back in his truck and drives away with his bulldozer. Notice his bulldozer is his tool and he leaves with his tool. Next, a truck drives up with a steam shovel, he brings out the steam shovel, digs the basement, puts his steam shovel back in his truck and drives away with his steam shovel. Notice again his steam shovel is his tool and he leaves with his tool. This same pattern continues over and over. Front end loaders, back hoes, concrete trucks, cranes, the trucks drive up and leave with the tools they bring. Artisans do the same: cement workers, carpenters, heating men, plumbers, electricians, this list goes on & on, everyone brings their tools and leaves with their tools. No one leaves construction tools behind. But when the house is done it is common for a few tools to still be there, a broom, a mop, a bucket and a rag. It's the janitor's tools. And it's exactly same at the great stone worksites. Have you ever met even one person who bought a house with a steam shovel the construction crews just accidentally left out in the back yard and forgot to take with them when they were done with it? Of course not. The very idea that construction tools would be found at great stone worksites is pure fantasy born out of abject ignorance and a touch of insanity. The craftsmen who built the world's great stone worksites were the elite of the elite, they brought the world's most specialized tools with them when they came, and they took their tools with them when they left. Their tools were unimaginably highly valued. The tools that are still there belong to janitors, maintenance & royal graffiti artisans. And valued like a broom.
A few things I'd consider. 1- In the circular drill holes that have a bottom. I would like to vacuum whatever dust remains at the end/bottom, in hope that some evidence of the abrasive might still exist. Even modern day diamond coring drill bits could leave a clue. 2- Once cleaned of any dust, I'd cast the last point of contact at the bottom, and scan the last moment of contact. That would possibly show the clearest scratches of abrasion. 3- Similarly the huge stone boxes with the perfect right angle interior corners. I'd look to the corners for a microscopic image. Scanned and/or cast to see the last stroke in making those corners. Abrasive? Chisel? Other? 4- And make with our current tools, something to parallel those features for compare. i.e. What does the last stroke from the tools, show. Scratch? Dent? Nothing, even at the microscopic level?
@@PetraKann Everything is so straight and perfect that they ALL use the same angles to show them...hope he doesn't use his own 3d scans he was showing to convince himself, since the faceted part in his scan is not perfect, not straight, and even wanders of its direction sitting way lower on one site...
@@avamasquerade There are examples of this level of precision all over ancient Egyptian sites. Even in this video, there is an example of a finished version of the stone box, which ancient Egyptians inscribed with hieroglyphics. It's the same design and everything. Did you guys actually watch the video?
@@PetraKann as always when there is evidence (as shown in his own 3d scan) it gets ignored, if there isn't its a big thing...nothing to believe, its in the video.
I'm a lifelong machinist and fabricator. Retired now, but still using CNC mills and lathes. The facets on the edging are without a doubt made with some kind of precision machine. There is no way you could do that by hand. And going a step further there are currently two types of precision machines. Manual and computerized. Manual where the axis controls are turned by hand, and CNC where they are turned by computer. The flared columns while also made by machine were probably computer controlled because it's very hard if not impossible to do those curves on a manual machine. Another thing to think about is the cutting tool. You would need something at least as hard as diamond. Anything else would not be able to cut these long cuts without changing the tool which would invariably leave marks.
What are your thoughts on them using water ? The Nile was large and flowing then. Could they have made a high pressure gravity water jet? Possibly even using air pressure as well ? I dont know how high if a psi could be obtained using what the "history" books say was available. I know they found the Disk,.and to me it looks like it could generate velocity. Tubes/pipes would have been easy, well designed water wheel, and thick walled clay cylinder to hold and build air pressure. That would be added towards the end of the water to gain cutting power
There is no way YOU can do it by hand. Its a failure of your tiny mind, thinking that ancient egyptians were somehow dumber than you. Failing completely to realize that these things were designed and built by GENIUSES. Obviously you aint one of those.
si des personnes auraient pu faire le travail avec des machines nous aurions des preuves, or on voient des polissage dans tout les sens donc manuellement.
Could easily be done by hand. Like an abrasive plane. Made of stone. Ran along at an angle set in a wooden cradle with the weight of stone providing down force.
Ben!!! Congrats dude!! On JRE finally! I was hoping that would happen. So happy for you. Your very excellent channel will really blow up now. Lol. This is awesome. I think people are really starting to understand that our history is very different that what we have been told. It's great seeing you and Jimmy both on JRE. The more people start looking into it the more the paradigm will start to shift
From 1 Aussie to another, you rock Ben, I was listening to JRE the 4 hour podcast and was totally blown away, I love what you’re doing and if I could go back in time, I’d be doing what you are. Living the dream for sure and makes absolute sense what you’re saying about the vases 🤩🤯, blew my mind. I am now binge watching your videos on TH-cam and love your work. Please stay the bloke telling us the truth as you have seen and learnt through your career. You should do tours and take old farts 💨 like me that would love to do digs and just feel like we are helping you spread awareness of all the common sense answers about the machinery and technology that we may never know how “They” did what they did. Keep blowing our minds and you explain everything so well you can’t help but get excited about what you have found and accomplished in your life. Sincere Thanks and Best wishes for the future 😊 Thanks so much.
The faceting is exactly how a modern CNC machine cuts hard metals. It makes a series of rough passes with a larger tool before coming back with a smaller tool to remove the final bits of material and get a finished look. It does this because using the smaller tool that can make the clean finish to remove that much material would damage the tool or be way too slow.
Yes some of this is hard to explain. However some of it can be done using the exact same stone that it’s crafted from and rotating hand tools granite sand with water.
Yes some of this is hard to explain. However some of it can be done using the exact same stone that it’s crafted from and rotating hand tools granite sand with water.
What do you mean? Like are you talking about a mill? You can literally just use the same bit and make more shallow passes as you get closer to nominal. You don't need to change the bits.
The thing that amazes me about this box is the audacity of the stonecarvers. By cutting all these shapes into the finished object, the carver guaranteed that even one slight error would result in a ruined box. Unless there are hundreds of failed, ruined, partially finished boxes for each complete box, it would seem an impossible task.
Technology is indistinguishable from magic and that's the part that gets me, just the sheer mass production of the stuff is something else entirely. How unremarkable this box was in its day, that's what's remarkable.
@@seanzibonanzi64 If we set aside enough of the insistent assumptions of mainstream Egyptologists then it becomes possible that whoever fashioned these objects either had far longer to build all of it, as in thousands of years longer or they had far better tools if not both. Of course the possibility that whoever that was may not be the same or even not connected to the Dynastics credited with it is something that the status quo will never want to consider. It's also important to remember that to speak bluntly there's a great deal of public and professional corruption and graft in all levels of Egyption society. This means that when Zawi Hawes acts like anyone questioning the orthodoxy is trying to take his status, house and life that's exactly what we're doing because that's precisely what the culture is.
That is the point.... We see nowhere how they tried to carve these boxes. It amazes me how many people take the academic tale for granted. There is a whole piece of our history wiped out. And the idea that there was a highly developed civilization before 12.000 years ago is ridiculed.
Can't stand that creep, never, ever listen to him after seeing what he's done with the propaganda his guests spew. Rogan is a fraud, through and through.
Another great presentation. Having been a machinist for 40 years I feel certain that the features of the structures shown in this video could not have been accomplished with the tools attributed to the Egyptian civilization of this period. Perhaps the builders of all these amazing structures left and took their tools with them. Thanks Ben and keep them coming.
They could have left the tools in a pile beside it, and they would have been dust thousands of years before the egyptians crawled out of the mud. If we disappeared today, the only things left of us in 5000 years would be stone and bone.
most major civilizations around the world seem to have been started by Atlantean survivors who spread out after the cataclysm ended the Ice Age, and this is why so many cultures speak of "white gods" coming from the sea/sky, but you didn't hear that from me.
@@flowerpt Good point! And when you consider over 90% of the Sahara is desert up to 30m thick, how do we know what’s under there? New discoveries are being made all the time. If the Sahara was luscious and green when we (ancient tech advocates) believe the actual builders lived, then their tools could still be under there
Or the tools used to cut and shape the granite blocks were destroyed by following civilization’s just like the Talaban we’re destroying 2 and 3 thousand year old statues for maybe the same reason…
I was 99.9% certain that there have been civilizations that are much more ancient and much more technologically advanced than the ones we normally study in history. But after this video, I have been brought to 100%. Very, very well done!
Oh yeah? How are you so convinced when they didn’t tell you which civilization was more advanced? There is no evidence of machines they may have used, right? There is no evidence the Egyptians didn’t build these and they kept great records. There is no DNA evidence of this alleged ancient civilization, right? They would have not taken wives or had offspring, lol. 😂😂😂
Patrick, you started your comment with “oh,yeah?” what are we, 14 years old? Catastrophic global events killed off the dinosaurs, except for birds. That couldn’t have happened to the humans? Egyptians didn’t have records of not building the pyramids? They also didn’t have records of how they built the pyramids, if they actually did. And there are no tools that have been found that would have been needed for a lot of the ancient architecture. And if these earlier advanced civilizations were hundreds of thousands of years ago, or 1 million or more years ago, there would be nothing left to show that they were here except for massive stone structures like they left for us to see. “Oh, yeah?” LOL at you, lad. Learn to think for yourself and not just buy into what is handed to you by the keepers of the status quo.
I saw a documentary that asked the question, 1 million years from now what would last that would prove that we had lived. And their answer was possibly the Hoover dam would be the only thing left from our civilization.
@@stewartoonagh definitely not cast. The stone blocks were carved from a quarry. No evidence of cast or concrete infrastructure that predates Roman era.
Thank you Ben for the incredibly well curated shot and explained footage of the world’s most incredible artifacts. You inspired me to go to Egypt and Peru this year, thanks to you I had a list of artifacts to see for myself, this shrine, the lotus columns, the sphinx, valley temple, serapeum, the hard stone vases, sacsayhuaman, the coricancha, ollantaytambo. Even though I was prepared everything was more incredible in person. I will have to join you on a future expedition.
I am a self-taught CAD and CNC user for hobby guitar projects. Watching this was like being reminded of the design and machine milling toolpath strategies I have learned in the last six years. 😮
Fantastic footage and coverage of these sites and manufactured works of the ancients. The rose-granite "alter" or "shrine" defies history books and known technology in the past thousands of years. Also the power/energy of whatever caused such a HEAVY granite box to be thrown into the sand/ground like it is, must of been spectacular to say the least. The perfect circular holes, round-cylindrical trim on the exterior, the sharp edges, the level/flat finish on the surfaces, the 4-faced pyramidal top... it's a Master piece by a master craftsman, who worked on some of the toughest stone the Earth has to offer. It blows my mind every time, and never gets old to me. I love these granite master pieces throughout the old world. They are the truth that a civilization had technology, master craftsmen, and were well organized as to excavate, transport and craft such Granite products is a massive feat. Thanks Ben, you're channel is a treasure.
Why does "old guard" archeology have such power over history? Archeologists aren't experts on how to craft stone. Yet they decide how these ancient works of stone were made?
Amazingly beautiful. I wish the ones who made these were still among us or would come to visit... that would make for a fascinating conversation ❤️ ✨️ ❤️ Thank you Ben 🙂
For each cornice there, an awful lot of stone had to be removed. It's not like wrapping some stone around the top of something. Focusing on the decoration there is the minor thing, where the big thing is how they got that side flat. Once they did that, the cornice or molding was just finishing up.
Amazing, the boxes look like they've just come off a state of the art machine, like you say the round edging is unfinished but even the markings where its been tooled look perfect to my eye, absolutely mind blowing & boggling 🤯
As a machinist that has machined some of the toughest materials on the planet known to man , I tend to agree with all you have said in the video. One thing you possibly missed was the type of metal guide used for the cutting tool to move along. I have used ultrasonic tools to cut and I am beginning to think ultrasonics was used on the holes. We used the same technique to remove broken taps out of steel hydraulic blocks we manufactured to save the block. A copper electrode would vibrate up and down in water. Have you seen that video of the radioactive stone found in Egypt ,that vibrated violently in water?
Finally! I have been waiting for a closer look at this box. Another aspect about these artifacts that really breaks my mind (besides how they were made) is the design they chose for these massive objects. Every lip, every edge, every shape is a decision made in stone. Are they only cosmetic designs or do they have some specific purpose? Do they have a deeper meaning? And why is so much of the stuff they left behind unfinished?
@@ylemscalamity or war or natural disaster or punishment from God, Why we can't think of a powerful civilisation that destroyed because of God's punishment Like we see how the old big flood story is in every culture
Does anyone else start feeling conspiratorial when hearing previously open sites are now closed to the public? It's tragic enough we'll likely never know exactly what knowledge and technology was lost, but to have investigation artificially obstructed by governments is infuriating.
You got to be arrogant to think that we were the first civilization I think us humans been walking around for 250,000 years and we've been hit with meteor showers and Extinction events
Have you been there? Do you know that this site actually is closed to the public? Do you know why sites are closed and reopened?Are you aware of the seasonality of the Egyptian sites? This channel has proved itself to be an unreliable narrator that spreads ignorance with no contribution to advancement of our knowledge of the subject. Instead their sole purpose appears to be to promote unfounded ideas for their benefit and for attention but to the detriment of actual science.
It's not that surprising that the country wants to protect their priceless ancient artifacts from whatever random person might stumble in from any corner of the globe and abuse the site.
I have been following Graham, Randall and Jimmy for several years now and love the outside the mainstream thinking. Your knowledge on these ancient artifacts and how the technology was lost is so fascinating. Great job on Rogan by the way. Keep doing what your doing man! 👏
I've worked with marble both with hand tools and with power tools. I've worked with CNC machines and I've done construction work. The work there on those holes are incredible, very difficult to make
Call me old.fashioned,but I still prefer shaping marble and granite with freguency.And maybe it is a bit autistic,but the larger stones I move with audio frequency.
I make these holes exactly like this, in 1 day, by hand. Just as precise and difficult to reach as here. And it takes me 1 day to make the hand tools. The problem with these kinds of videos is mass hypnosis. If you say long enough, that it can't be done, only the possibility that aliens did it remains. It can be done, by hand, by allmost everybody.
Hm I mean the drill tip could just be made wider than the shaft, while the shaft is hold against the corner with two square blocks. The shaft of the drill can be turned by a chain or a belt. But the forces needed to be applied to work granit would mean either they had already modern style bearings to hold the shaft or would need to replace the blocks and the shaft constantly, as the drill dust would act like sandpaper in the meeting faces of both (in addition to normal wear). Without modern bearings it's also hard to see how this drilling could be finished in a endless amount of time. I mean you can't drill the holes for a year or two, that's just bonkers - I mean there's several tons of stone needed to be removed elsewhere on the box.
Agree. They are PERFECTLY straight, even and precise. Also those circular boreholes. Impossible to do by hand. No hand/tool would fit as they are flush with the surface.
@@emartinezr there are a few things here, cutting versus marking. The poster is amazed that the lines were so precise. He shouldn't be. The cutting is a thing. The comment is 2 months old, I'm not rereading the thread.
thank you , the items you show never get shown . they are dumped or hidden . please more extreme close ups of the joins that just disappear and then your not sure if its solid or a extremely precise join , that we are unable to do today. blows my mind . oh and the box is stunning and disserves a place of pride . not dumped and half buried . glad you took a close look.
I have to say, some of the other guys - the Hancocks, the other TH-camrs - they reach a bit. Your channel is so grounded and unbelievably better for it
This video was good. The first i have watched. I plan to watch many more. I have known these arguments for over 2 decades, but to see the monuments up close explained by the commentary is another experience altogether. I feel like my thoughts about history have been revolutionised.
What a great insight! Clear proof that shaping the objects is at least a 2 step process. Also one can to a degree see the "resolution" of the rough cut. Or how much material they took away before moving on to the next step.
I love the 3D scans! Also fantastic close ups of the precise edges and corners. The stonework is in pristine condition (apart from damage), despite being thousands of years old. It is awe-inspiring. We cannot imagine what machinery was used by 'primitive' craftsmen, and there is not the slightest piece of evidence anywhere. This is pre-Egyptian without doubt!
I'll bet anything that they found the machines and they have hidden them from the public like they have hidden the giant skeletons that have been found everywhere!!! They will do anything to protect their false Theory of evolution!!!
@@johnmatacola8867 You do realize that's impossible to fake though right? You do realize you sound like a fool for even suggesting it though right? That's carved from a multi ton block of granite from the Aswan quarry to the east across the river. Faking that would take a bare minimum of a team of engineers, stone masons, laborers and tools just to excavate it from the quarry, multiple cranes and high load capacity vehicles including a barge just to move it and that doesn't account for massive high speed impact drills and articulated saws just to get started cutting the thing. If you think it would be easy to make and just leave there as a hoax I want some of whatever you're smoking!!!
Even by the mainstream egyptologists the dating of those amazing works is supposedly between 2500 to 3300 years ago... My answer to the arguments where are the reamins of the civilizations who were truly responsible for the ginormous amount of so precisely worked super hard stone artifacts not only in Egypt is extreme antiquity as in over 15-20k years ago so any traces are either gone or are deeply burried and not found it yet.
Google Roman Sarcophagus. They made far more intricate/ ornate versions with the hardest of stone, a few centuries later, that make these look like a toddler made them. Multiple writings by the the Romans and Greeks state they learned to work with stone from the Egyptians.
@@itsnot_stupid_ifitworks Greeks started in this business in earnest around 2-3th century BC which is not exactly "few centuries later", the geometric precision and scale is absolutely nowhere near compare to to what is found all over Egypt, the hardest stone that they were able to work is marble with max hardness around 4,5 and as low as 3 compare to the granite 7 and they ofc were already well into the Iron Age. Ancient Egyptians had plenty of expirience working softer than granite stones on much smaller than the megalithic artifacts scale so the Greeks and the Romans learning from them and from the Fertile Crescent civilizations the craft is well established fact.It does not change the fact that say the granite boxes and their lids found in the Serapeum of Saqqara for example would pose quie the serious challenge if someone tries to replicate them nowday.
@@itsnot_stupid_ifitworks "Intricacy" does not require advanced manufacturing methods and dimensional control. Indeed, intricacy can hide a great deal of imperfection. It is extremely difficult to maintain straightness, flatness, circularity, and symmetry on "plain" objects. These are incredibly massive workpieces - I'd think into the tens (and even hundreds) of tons, and as natural objects they inherently also contain nonuniformities and defects that would greatly complicate any machining process that was not extremely adaptive (meaning some form of automatic feedback control). Simply quarrying, transporting - and handling these objects, loading them into the machinery (or otherwise setting up), providing continuity of dimensional referencing, and then executing the operational steps to create this outcome would be an undertaking today that would require a major program in equipment technology development before such a project could even begin. I'm not aware of ANY equipment in the world today capable of this, at this scale, and I've seen a great deal in my 35 years as a practicing mechanical engineer. This is simply astounding. Even if one were to consider the idea that the stone material might have been artificially created in a molding process of some kind (which would require very high temperatures, exotic mold materials, and further equipment and a working material that does not exist today) - there are clear die-locks that would have made such a mold very complex. One can note not only the centered feature at one end of one of the columns shown - but an apparently centered female square hole on the end of another as a possible drive engagement - which indeed is entirely consistent with a huge lathing operation of some kind - one that would require significant and controlled mechanical power to maintain. One thing is absolutely certain - these objects were NOT created with hand tools. The sheer amount of labor time required, the probability of error, the extreme difficulty of dimensional control, and the absence of any evidence of tool impact marks, etc. - make this obvious to anyone who has worked stone by hand, and even those who have not (like myself).
@jcalene k. The Sarcophagus of Helena at the Vatican really does a perfectly crafted job of hiding all of your imagined imperfections. The Greeks and Romans occupied Egypt for centuries and learned and vastly improved upon egyptian stone work techniques. By hand.
I haven't done much with stone but I've machined other materials and I'm genuinely impressed with the craftsmanship here. Yeah, the faceted part is really important but the shot that to me is most indicative of multi axis CNC machine work is 18:53 This view shows how a complex concave curve transitions around a 90 degree corner. I mean look at it. It isn't just a half circle cut into the profile. It looks perhaps parabolic or logarithmic. This is a pretty complex thing to cut. Furthermore, the size of the piece coupled with the precision of it is REALLY impressive. Making a precision cutting tool is one thing. Making a really big precision cutting tool is something totally different. Whatever they used to make this thing was amazing. When I see all of those core drill holes in the video I can't help but laugh about the idea of some poor slob trying to cut them with a copper tube because I've cut holes like that in concrete when I was an electrician's apprentice. Granite? With a bow and copper tube? Not happening. 🤣 Cutting a 3" or 4" diameter hole 6" deep in concrete (soft as cheese compared to granite) with a big, electric, core drill bolted to the floor with drop in anchors used to take like half an hour to an hour. Granted, we had an old clapped out core drill that wasn't the latest greatest but it took two of us to carry it inside and it must have had at least a half horse electric motor on it.
Thank you so much for your input on this subject. I'm just a curious dumbass stoner but I am so fascinated of ancient societies... what secrets do they hold that we do not know 🤔 😭
You have hit the nail on the head here Sir! and described accurately what is a required from a practical standpoint! Again, so called "experts" choose to ignore a practical person like yourself and the brilliant 30 year plus expert stone mason and artist in the video. Why is the main stream experts so very scared of the truth?? probably academia stuck in time and boring reputations!
Doesn't it stand to reason that these cuts were made in the modern (ish) day with proper stone-cutting tools then? I mean, it'd be a fascinating topic to discuss, though numerous channels would have to alter their subject matter and foundational theories to accommodate and adequately explore the possibilities...
Really interesting piece of engineering. I'm a tradesman with experience in stone and wood work and I can say I could drill a hole in a similar situation with a combination of a right angle drive and a tool bit that is larger in diameter than the diameter of the operating end of the right angle driver head. Of course as you said. you would need really powerful tools to accomplish something like this, especially with precision and accuracy. Here is one idea I have how these holes could have been drilled. If the shaft driving the bit was smaller in diameter than the bit, and a lever was used in the ~90 degree range of freedom available, they could've used some kind of a bearing block with a hole in the middle to brace the shaft exactly centered in the corner. They could've also used such a braced narrow shaft in combination with rope wound around it to generate force somewhere outside the box. No idea what they would've made these tools out of but definitely something tough.
Drilling the holes seems to be the simple part. How did they make the box with such precise inside corners and the outside in such an exclusive shape out of one piece of granite? I would like to see any modern company or group of people build something Similar without using power tools.
@@Richard-zc1cj i think the biggest limiting factor stopping someone from attempting this is the cost of materials and labor. That being said, what could justify such expenses being paid in the time that the box was made?
@@zackrog1270 That's a good question -- the economics of all this stonework is something that is rarely considered. An agricultural economy(which is what ancient Egypt was) generated maybe a 10 percent surplus, which frees up around 10 percent of the population to do something other than grow food. Once you subtract the bureaucrats, priests, soldiers etc you're left with a fairly small number that could work on these stone projects. To me the numbers don't add up -- you couldn't do all that monumental precision stonework in the time period given with a relatively small work force using stone and copper tools by hand.
Great video. Machining is written all over the examples shown in your video. The cylindrical shapes have a circular end and centering hole on the opposite side, just like a lathe. These machines had to be enormous.
Hi Ben. This was so well done and put together. All of the imagery and that transition from a facetted curve to a smooth curve is so impressive. The opinions of expert stone carvers in combination with your well reasoned perspective makes this evidence so amazing. Thank you !
I think it would be awesome to get more people like Alma out to Egypt to look at these artefacts and do some longer form content with their professional opinions
Why exactly is that. After most believe a man lives in the clouds and thats where you go when you die........without a single piece of evidence, but yanno thats probably a whole different video.
No because the syndicate that built castles and megalithic structures like this kept everything a secret because they didn’t want other nations to copy there technology.
The mirrored symmetry & accuracy of some of these massive stone statues and structures is simply astounding. The human race is definitely missing some pieces of our/earths past.
I'm starting to believe that humanity had a previous golden era before the younger dryas impact event. Judging by the monoliths that exist across the globe, I believe humanity was already connected at the global scale and sharing knowledge. I assume most civilizations lived by the sea or rivers near sea level and were wiped out by the global tsunami following the impact event. Any advanced tools, if made of metal, likely eroded away after several thousands of years, were melted down during times of war, or if we are lucky, are sitting in some rich person's private collection waiting to be revealed.
One of my favorite ideas to contemplate, when inspecting, and analyzing the properties and attributes of artifacts like this, is the fact that a simple feature or embellishment such as the "edging", featured on this boxes' design, reinforces the idea of how much planning, and attention to detail is necessary and required in designing and engineering these artifacts.. these types of features, on an object that is created from a single cohesive piece of unforgiving material, are not improvised, or afterthoughts by the artisans who manufactured them. To suggest that there were no physical design plans, or even a single architectural drawing to plan the specifications of the design, is an claim that only someone with zero understanding of engineering and design could make. Or possibly a person who has an agenda, and only by denying the existence of what the evidence is suggesting could preserve their viewpoints and interests..
Hi Ben, By trade I am a toolmaker, specifically plastic injection mould tools. One primary process we performed was 'blocking up', which is essentially establishing the datums by machining the block faces flat, parallel, and square to each other. We could then run a precision 'clock' along these faces to ensure our machines were precisely aligned with thes datums so that any machining operation aligned up correctly and at the correct location. Now, it occurs to me that if the quarrymen did this basic process of blocking up with face mills then they are all set for any consequent machining operations. You showed evidence of the precense of such 'blocking' machinery at 10:55. Blocking up at that quarry would not have been a trivial operation, so I have full awe and respect for those ancient Egyptian quarrymen. However, I suggest that the key difference with the modern techniques outlined above, and what they had available at the time was that rather than rig separate machinery around the stone block to match datums (with the exeption of the blocking machinery), they may have used the stone edges and faces as datums to directly perform further machining operations. This could, for example, be by mounting a corner block of stone that would slide along an edge with arms mounted that held tools at the correct offset to perform their cutting operation in a precise repeatable manner. This method lends itself well to block type operations, but leaves the question of the more organic machining open to further suggestions. Regardless of how they ancient Egyptians did it, I remain in awe and wonder of their designs, conceptions and executions of some of the most beatifull stonework to be found anywhere in the world.
Still does not explain how they made giant boxes out of granite, out of ONE PIECE of granite, with precision inside corners, and laser flatness inside and out. Granite companies have been shown this work and said they could not reproduce that.
@@davestephens8033 It partially explains it. It helps to imagine yourself doing what I described above. To me, the most difficult part would be hollowing out the cavity. A jack hammer would be the ideal tool here. They may have instead sped it up by using disc cutting tools, of which there is evidence of there use. It would have been extremely difficult and highly skilled stonework, but there it is for all to see. No tools, no skill, no granite box. Simple. They had the skills, they had the tools. The central mystery is why the tools aren't documented or laying in the ground somewhere.
@@QuentinRowe-ww6gm Its not a mystery. These fantastic precision works are from the earliest times in Egypt. Its been pretty well shown that these much older works were REPURPOSED by much later dynasties. This is why we see painting of workmen using hard rock pounders, when we know for SURE nobody could use use hard rock pounders to make laser perfect flat surfaces. All this precision work just immediately STOPPED, and what came after were real crude piling of natural stones to make low walls etc. The question remains WHO did all this perfect machining and statues that follow geometric 3D planes like you would carve a statue with CNC technology. And all these precision works ended at the same times on Earth. So if you have PROOF that these works EXIST, and they are all over the planet using the same precision techniques, and suddenly no more works like that were being made, WHO WAS IT that did these works? And the only real answer is that there WAS a civiization of high technology that was destroyed in a single world wide event. This event exists all over the Earth in sedementary sand beds as black layers in the sand, and in the stories of a world wide deluge that exists also all over the world, the SAME event. 26,000 years ago seems to crop up alot in these visible signs. If a world wide event wiped out most of all life on Earth in our time right now, 26,000 years from now its like there will be no evidence of cell phones or computers or cars. Everything smashed to bit and corroded away. Archaeologists keep their own made up mythologies and insist that we are the most advanced civilization ever, yet we can't duplicate the granite Bull "coffins" out of one SINGLE piece of stone. Granite companies said they could only do it by bolting single flat pieces together to make a box. Our entire history is a lie. There have been so many artificats embedded in coal strata, made by completely unknown civilizations and archaeologists don't know what to do with that, and their explanations are often more ridiculous than not. Most of their beliefs come from the 1800's and are written in stone and dare not defy old textbooks. They are more a priesthood than scientists.....
It's even more fascinating when you find out there are many many sites around the world that are not very well known that are built of of massive stones that we would have trouble moving today
I have been fascinated by this subject for a long time. As a carpenter and craftsman of 30+years I can't begin to imagine what tools were in existence to complete these structures. I know we currently do not have tools to do this work... Not to say we couldn't do it... Just too expensive to create such things in today's times and for what purpose?
Incredible video - as always. My background is as a designer. Some other interesting points occur to me that often don't get a mention, but I feel are valid. The beauty, symmetry, finish, proportion, geometry and aesthetic of these objects is stunning and highly advanced. That doesn't just happen. It evolves in a culture over long periods of time. Many of the objects reflect earthly things. Statues have navels, fingernails... they are stylised humans, mammals. The columns depict tall palms. A culture and civilsation rooted in that location on the Nile to a large degree. These objects all have a beauty of perfection and proportion that is stunning. You would only conceive carving any of these designs from solid blocks of granite if it was fairly easy and efficient to do so. This is also evident in way that some are discarded if they crack or a mistake is made. Obviously it was fairly efficient to carve and transport massive solid objects. Many appear mass produced and near identical. It was also possible for whoever was producing the object, to map out and see the finished piece within the solid block as work was done, with incredible precision. If you have tried any type of carving you will appreciate the difficulty.
If you wanted to privately have a piece like "the shrine" made, delivered, and installed in your home... I'm not even sure you could find someone to do it. And if you could, it would take a very long time and cost millions in my guesswork.
Actually I think building this stuff would be easy with the tools they had back then Drilling the holes in the box with a bow dril wouldn't be a problem it just takes time and patience your drill bit would need to look this ]]]]]====[[[[[> You hold the end blocks hard in the corners and wrap the string around the middle offset And the sharp edges can be made precisely by using a plane and a string with a set of dividers or a gauge block The edge detail pieces I see being ground in place with multiple planes and sand/granite dust and water and a cutting media The people that built this stuff had time on there hands and I believe they worked off the barter system so they did nothing for 35 years but worked granite and all the tricks the previous gernerations learned was passed down. So since they did nothing but worked granite as they needed stuff it was given to them and they created what they needed to make it work so they wasn't looking for food they just worked granite and it became easy for them over generations. It wasn't until a few hundred years ago that a son stopped doing the same job as his father
Wow, excellent presentation and you made an excellent case here worthy of more attention. Machinist here and the only thing I would like to add is perhaps the faceted rough cut on the edging was made by some sort of a guided/tracked carving tool as opposed to rotary cutter. Either way, there is no doubt in my mind that whoever fashioned these stones absolutely were not simply using hand chisels and hammers.
Hmm, I like the idea of a tracked cutting tool. That makes more sense, and it certainly would have been possible in their time. I was previously suggesting a chisel tipped with carborundum/ silicon carbide/ moissanite but it could have been a scraper with such a hard tip brazed to it. If they had the ability to braze silicon carbide to bronze tools, all this really fine work work makes WAY more sense since they had no steel.
@@cheatinggravity173 i think it had to be a mill though. if it was strokes then the finish would be very rough , or the passes very thin and takes ages to finish. also the forces the cut even thin strokes would need a massive modern shaper to be rigid enough to not jam and crash. those facets are a simple way of hogging of material with a mill. a very illogical way stroking. especially since massive amounts of stock was already removed
@@josephpowell6009 looking into this subject is new for me; I had NO IDEA just how much hate and vitriol is spewed by those who think along more traditional lines towards anybody who says there is some other tool at work here besides just silica and aluminum oxide (sand) abrasives and wood, stone, and copper. People really have divided themselves into two camps that will never agree on anything regardless of proof, common sense, or logic. What I see after a little more digging is just more proof confirming some of the accuracy acheved by ancient Egyptians is on par with the work being done today's machine tools. And zero proof that anybody of recent times that has used the abrasive and copper chisel method to achieve anywhere close to the kind of quality work the ancient Egyptians did. Im still not saying machine tools were used, but I am saying is that there is no way they didn't have harder tooling to work with such as carborundum/ moissanite from a meteorite or some other type of carbide. *possibly* hardened steel but I doubt it. There certainly were diamonds available to them, as they can be found in meterorite impacts as well but thier grain structure is more prone to fracturing than manufactured diamonds. Still usable as abrasive, just dowsnt seem like there would be nearly enough quantity to work with as an abrasive. Diamond's impact toughness is terrible. They say "like cuts like" (in regards to hardness) but what I'm seeing with modern attempts at bowl making, and in my own experience working with many different materials, not with good accuracy. Example: make a rectangular granite box with perfect inside corners with .030" radius and flat surfaces to within +/-.004" like I've seen the ancient egyptians make. Not some stupid easy shallow round bowl with some grooves in it that looks like it was made by a kid in high school. It's those square inside corners that are hard to make because there is very little stroke length the closer you get to the corner, and round tools such as tube drills don't make square inside corners and have to be finished in some other way. To abrade away the material down to a fine corner? Someone please show me how they did it 3-4000 years ago with bronze, stone, and sand.
INSANELY awesome craftmanship. I'm just a middle-aged woman looking at these phenomena and not a person on this planet can tell me these objects were carved by hand with prehistoric tools. Totally awe inspiring!
@@Vision_2 No, I don't think so. Imagine the strength necessary. The precision is too precise too, and then we've still got the issue of those holes tight into the corners they showed, and the sheer size of those objects.
@@roxy5154 But far more complicated granite work has been accomplished by steel hand tools. Churches, banks, government buildings, military forts, lighthouses. All without power tools.
As an engineer and having a lot of construction work experience I have zero doubt that box made by advanced tools. So there's 2 possibilities: 1. Either advanced, I repeat, advanced civilization existed. 2. Or it's made by modern tools and droped there to attract tourists.
While the incomplete artifact should give clues to how it was constructed, I have to think that the waste material might also give important clues. If, for example, the waste material was almost entirely small grains and chips, that could mean grinding and percussion was involved, but if the waste material consists of large scraps with smooth sides, that could mean cutting was involved.
I was thinking sort of the same, in wondering where is all the waste materials, for instance the 2 wholes in the top of the opening, where are the cylinders that came out of that and what details they would provide, or maybe nothing was wasted, instead repurposed.
It seems you are assuming that such work would have been done on the site the artifact sits on today in order to search for and reconstruct such fragmented waste material like the world's worst jigsaw puzzle. However that would not be the case as any civilization capable of quarrying, carving and moving such massive stones would surely not be forced to perform all work at the site it was to be erected/used. Also there is no reason to leave waste stone chips near the finished product. Even if you could find an abandoned work site with several pieces left in various stages of finishing it would be nearly impossible to reconstruct what was being done and how from waste material. Learning from waste material is unfeasible and nearly impossible, a much better and more likely construction signature to learn from would be finding examples where mistakes were made and the piece was rejected, such as over cuts, off center drilling, or angles not being squared.
@@benjamincrowley9919 I was referring to finding scraps next to incomplete artifacts, that were abandoned while being worked on. Surely the scraps weren't cleaned up. But even with regard to completed artifacts that have been removed from the worksite, I have to think that the scraps are somewhere, and if we are open to the idea we might be better prepared to identify the scraps if they are encountered.
Unbelievable evidence and footage! The more I learn and see about the ancient stone work, the more I know this was not done with hand tools. That box and those enormous columns are absolutely amazing pieces of work. Clearly done with heavy machinery and high speed cutting bits. Man I wish I could see what really was going on at that time!
wanted to comment on banding around the box. I own a granite fabrication company and the straight lines are done to save the tools. We use what's called a breaker bit to rough out shape and then more precise bit to start completing finish design. Park Industries has a straight line edge machine we use which does that. make multiple straight passes starting at say 1 pass then diamond moves say 10 or 15 degrees and makes another until finished with only moving the head say around 2 degrees or so but the human eye has a hard time seeing the lines. under a microscope you would see multiple straight lines, if it was a CNC machine the bits we use are basically routers bits impregnated with diamonds thru the shape of the bit. In that case you would see a different pattern but the diamonds will leave a pattern as the bit gets used and degrades from the granite being harder and eating up the bonding material holding the diamonds. I would love to go sometime with your group and actually see it in person and how amazing it really looks etc. hope this helps and this is just what I think may have happened with out touching looking measuring etc. Love the videos ! Please let me know how to be part of your travels etc.
Another great video. I love how you focus in on the incredible and anaomalous aspects of the artefacts and sites in your videos. I notice that you are a little more confident in pointing out the conclusions of what you observe (which are totally earth shattering). Add together all this evidence and you have an astounding technological profile for a presence that existed in the past. To list the technological capabilities would sound like a science fiction story. As Plato wrote about the 'Labyrinth' - you cannot describe all the detail since people would start to question your sanity (I cannot remember the precise quote but that is the gist of it ).
What I find really challenging is how, using a machine they managed the point where the horizontal molding converged on the equally machined vertical edging which is mostly missing except for the small part where they converged.
I'm a sceptic of the theory of ancient hi-tech, but this is fascinating. One question that pops into head is "why"? In a sense, the technology would dictate the outcome, so if the tech wasn't in place or invented, why would one dictate these fine lines unless they had something we don't know about?
Being in granite and marble manufacturing. I can confirm that you could technically drill those holes flush against two axis. The trick would be to reduce the size of the head that the core bit fits too. Love your work Ben keep it up 👍
Or a same size head as bit and you could wedge it in the corner and use it as a stabilizer and guide. Or a squared head the rights itself when pressed into the corner.
Hi Ben, Can I draw to your attention some of the design elements shared with the buildings surrounding the shrine box you are studying in this video. They are: - The vertical tubular cornices are on the outside corners and have a short square base. This can be seen at 6:06 & 12:47 on the entrance to the Temple to Horus at Edfu. - The flared eve at the top edge of the shrine box, just above the horizontal cornice. This can be seen at 6:06 & 12:47 on the Temple to Horus at Edfu above the entrance doorway. Although the end piceces have fallen off, the curve they left is clearly visible. You can also see this feature at 26:39 in the same Elephantine Island quarry at 26:39. You suggest that the hieroglyphed box may have been an older artifact placed in the Edfu temple, rather than commissioned at the time of the building of the temple. If so, then this implies that the Edfu Temple design was inspired by either the shrine box itself, or at least the ideas behind it remained important to the egyptians from the earlier time of the shrine box manufacture to the Temple's construction. I am intrigued that both building and box design elements are present at both the Elephantine Island and Edfu locations. Any ideas on what to make of these observations?
I remember they could dissolve stones to win gold with chemicals... So that means they also could cast stones in complicated shapes, within the casting limits ofcourse....
@@erik_1953 Except none of the carvings shown are in cast stone (which has a very obvious look, texture and composition). They are all, absolutely all, carved granite.
Wow, I can't believe it also had that edging. Yeah, I've always thought to myself that this was the mic drop of ancient stone work. I remember having to draw it up in steps to help rest my mind because I kept wondering how it was done. You can make this small scale with a block of aluminum. I mean it's possible, but doing it with a giant very heavy block of granite is just next level unimaginably difficult because of the obviously size of the machines and movements needed...and of course tools available. Hardly anyone ever seems to talk about this box. Look at that top, look at how centered it is because if off just a smidgen then it's screwed. It's like how the pyramid's sides all had to line up or else they'd be way off center at the top. It looks as if, if they wanted the top to have a sharp point, they damn well could have. Look at the flatness of everything, especially the sides of the top. Just imagine cutting that with a giant horizontal mill or band saw and traversing a table strong enough to hold that weight into the cutter at just the right speed and rotating the stone to do that 3 more times to get the same result. Then there's sharpness of edges and inside corners and drill holes..(I'm speaking about the Puma Punku H-block holes and others) How the crap are you drilling a tiny hole and in a spot like that with..copper or bronze diamond-tipped bit and a bow drill or whatever contraption people can think up? You need high RPM's for that and a carbide masonry bit..with maybe a hammer drill and the offset attachment in this instance. For the edging to be there you'll have to remove all that material surrounding it, because it's a high relief (like at Gobekli Tepi rather than the low reliefs you see with heiroglyphs) and remove all that material that was inside the box, which in machining you'd use an end mill...then of course square those rounded inside corners up because a spinning cutter only cuts round. You'd now need another machine like a slotter or broach to press down into it and chip away. And even that edging was machined..something you wouldn't even expect. It's round but started square and the cutter ran the length of it in a series of passes at different angles to make it appear round. It was so good that they didn't even need to bother sanding it. You can see the pattern here and many times you can even see how much material was removed with each pass or revolution of the blade. When sanding or grinding or using sand abrasive you won't see any of that. It'll just be smooth and it'll never ever be perfectly straight or flat. Anything done on a lathe will always be perfectly round as well and never perfectly round if done any other way. They had to set up such amazing machines and ways to move and perfectly rotate this stone that they likely made a bunch of them because of all the trouble and complexity, especially since this box has so many features. There's no way this was their first one. I mean the first one was a box..and then someone wanted a better one, and they improved upon it. I skipped over a lot, but you get the gist. Building this stuff with wood would be very difficult and they did it with stone. Why were they so obsessed with sharp edges and straight lines? They had very sharp/hard tools and precise machines. This stuff is just so amazing that it's like looking at something that shouldn't exist.. Those papyrus columns are just ridiculous..
@wheelmanstan I just want you to know, as someone with attention deficit difficulties, that your comment is so interesting that I was able to read it - albeit at my own pace - in one go, no rereading. Hey, thanks for the intelligence shared!! 👍
Absolute evidence of high tech robotics far beyond what our cnc tools can accomplish today with granite. No question. No argument. It was an extraordinary high tech culture. But where did it go? That's the mystery of mysteries.
@@anzacman5 They are us, we just forgot about it and as the state of our consciousness shifted, so did our "reality" (which is actually a dream) into a one where we are surrounded by this mystery. We kind of wanted to forgot about our divine and godly source. This is the story of Satan, Adam & Eve cast down & out from the Fullness. We are spiralling further and futher away from the Living Truth. We also used to be much larger, as human consciousness hadn't diffused into us smaller egoistical bits. Past "humans" were like complete nations in one titanic body. But also the "laws of nature" were different as the "reality" isn't a reality but a dream and interdream "realities" do not have to be consistent. This explains all of the mythical stories and deity pantheons.
I've never worked with stone - though I've known many people who have - but I've worked with wood for a few decades. That edging that appears to be first faceted and then rounded is a common method of creating a round edge. The method is useful for a couple of reasons. It is easier to lay out and measure straight lines, both as you're initially laying it out, and as you're working on it. It makes it easier to end up with a precisely straight and a precisely round edge if you start with an easily measured square profile, and then start cutting the corners off, creating more facets, then progressively cutting smaller and smaller corners off. This method makes it easier to measure and to control your precision, but it also depends on particular tools. It is easier to make a tool that will cut straight, flat profiles, than it is to make a tool that will cut round profiles - this is true for power tools or hand tools. Whether you're working with stone or wood, hand tools or power tools, the process is a series of steps of waste removal, starting with the removal of large, rough chunks of waste, followed by the removal of smaller, more refined bits of waste. If you have a tool that will efficiently cut straight, flat profiles, it makes sense to use it during these steps of waste removal, until you get your piece to the point where it just needs a bit of scraping, or sanding, or polishing to achieve the shape you want. If you don't have such a tool, if all you have is rocks and chisels and mallets, there would be no advantage to cutting such precise facets when all your doing is waste removal.
This. Also, all the closeups 10:08 show the small indentations on the facets that are the result of a chisel, and would have ultimately been removed by finishing the piece.
Another consideration on the difficulty of carving such a precise bit of edging, that immediately becomes apparent when you sit down with your tools to produce it, is that the edging isn't what needs to be carved. It's the surrounding field that has to be carved. The entire box has to be carved down 2 1/2 inches, flattened, and smoothed, to reveal the 1/2 rnd edging. The box isn't created, and the edging added to it; the box's creation reveals the edging.
This is why I hate all these TH-camrs making these speculations like it's fact. "Oh it HAD to be machining" no 🤦♀️. If you don't have any experience in any sort of artisanal work then you shouldn't be making ANY assumptions about this shit was made. Being an expert on ancient Egypt does not automatically make you an expert at working with rock 🤦♀️
Ben, I love your content. Hopefully we'll be able to get things straight, as the truth is eternal, unbendable and always explainable. No matter who tries to fool us into believing a construct of lies, the truth will always prevail, as a matter of fact. This is why people like you, Randall, Graham, John Anthony, Chris Dunn and so many others were born for. You are the ones that will lead the Illuminism of this post modern brain damage we are confronted with on a daily basis. Keep it up dude, you're awesome!
Very cool finding! Seems that to speculate what tool did the work you need to identify what metal or material could easily cut granite and then theorize the tool shape and size. Then you have your answer close as possible to what they used. It's obvious any metal was reused over the hundreds or thousands of years so there may never be a chance to actually see one. Possibly a clever ancient machinist hid one that will one day be discovered. Keep chasing this!
I am a design engineer for a aerospace company and I completely agree with everything you are saying there is mounting evidence of ver sophisticated machining technology present Al over Egypt. I did have a thought as to the apparent missing evidence of any types of tools, if the Egyptians did have complicated and effective stone working tools it isn’t hard to believe they would have been highly sought after and even after the Egyptians could no longer understand or maintain the tools it’s likely they would have been dismantled for their valuable material.
Thanks for continuing your channel Ben, long time follower , really think the work you are doing is very important, you may not be the scientist or the archeologist that discovered or analyzed sites originally, but your videos , communications skills and collaboration bringing all like minded resources/people together is just the best out there, your channel and website are the beacon for the megalithic age today, i hope we discover or educate the facts in our life times jointly cheers. Jacob ps fellow aussie from Van Diemans land
Imagine a huge rough hewn rock standing in front of you and a papyrus plan in your hand , then having to create these objects to the exact dimensions provided ...no mistakes , no miss- measurements, every edge perfect , every facet flat and smooth . This work is NOT possible without machines , it's ridiculous to think it could be done otherwise. The answer is out there Ben , keep digging mate.
I am 100% a believer in the idea of our species being victim of amnesia as Graham Hancock says. Thanks to you Ben for your travels and exposing details for folks like me to see.
This channel is debunked on so many occasions. You can see lots of footage on precision work on granite manually up to how megalithic structures were done by the romans like Baalbek
Fascinating content here. Thanks for posting this one!!👍. As a machinist and mechanic I can fully appreciate the amount of craftsmanship that has gone into a lot of things that cannot be duplicated with tools & machinery in use today . It truly boggles my mind as to just how much of this was made . Maybe some day we will know for sure .
How much granite hand-working is there in aerospace machining? This has repeatedly been proven possible by use of a hand-cranked copper core drill and abrasive dust/slurry. The tight corner here makes it a bit more awkward but by no means impossible - you just can't turn the drill through 360° if using the crank, either you rotate it back and forth through 90° or you get rid of the crank and roll it around using the corner of the confining surfaces as a guide - all pretty obvious solutions which should be evident to an aerospace engineer, I believe, hell, I'm a joiner and its obvious.... But perhaps that's the point - if you work all day with machines you probably have a big blind spot in the area of hand-crafting, lile everyone else here.
@@JesseP.Watson Haha, it's actually pretty interesting to see that electricians and carpenters/joiners have the same relationships regardless of country. And yes, you were correct! Cheers!
8:40 a groove in the cylinder for the rope to ride in, and the open spindle end was likely pointed to be held by a wooden block at the end. This would allow it to be both flush with and square to the wall.
I think the holes in the door frame were not meant for pivoting but rather securing a completely removable door, based on the positioning. A pivot would result in a very odd shaped door on the sides
The way the edging on the box is a circle made out of straight lines is super interesting because that’s how 3D printers and cnc machines make circles and it’s how circles look zoomed in in 3D modeling programs. The circles are formed out of a bunch of straight lines in machining and can be smoothed out a number of ways
Yeah, it’s as though multiple small milling bits were working simultaneously, or, alternatively, each facia was ‘planed’ flat, before the jig was reset at the next angle….
Watch a 3d printer print. You'll find this untrue. The layers stack and cncs remove material in the same manner. If they did cnc it, why does it look like its carved
@@1977ajax I would be curious to see a modern craftsman try to reproduce this level of accuracy with a mallet and bronze chisel on something of this scale. I'm sure somebody could get really good with enough practice. What we don't know, is just how precise is the work on that piece? +/- .01" over the length of a foot? How about the variation in thickness throughout its length? We just dont know. The other question is why was such precision necessary? If that level of precision is not necessary, why pay somebody to take so much time to try to acheive it? One more point- if carving that faceted piece (that would eventually get the facets polished to a fully rounded profile) by hand, there is absolutely zero need to make it faceted first (especially not with such accuracy). Just think about how you would carve it. If a precision machine is carving it, the precision comes automatically. I'm not saying they used milling machines (because there's none left behind) but just saying it boggles the mind.
@@cheatinggravity173 Not at all; clearly you have no experience in this field to unboggle you, that's all. Your personal incredulity counts for nothing, I'm afraid.
I found your channel before I heard of Graham Handcock. With the apparent success of Ancient Apocalypse, and the likelihood there will be more of the series, is there any chance some of your work may be involved? I find your research into ancient machining to be as compelling as anything of the other evidence. With the increase in public interest, I hope your work continues to get more attention.
@UnchartedX This is a very good idea. Ancient machining tool marks and sawblade overcuts should most definitely be put on Netflix. Lets see the naysayers try to debunk those :)
I find it to be the most compelling of all with overlap on others work regarding irregular polygonal stone structures. Much of of Handcock's work also has compelling debunking on much of it (Stephen Milo for one) but controversy is a good thing in such a speculative field and Graham has shaken things up a bit.
My favorite JOKE of the day, after Netflix released Handcock's Ancient Apocalypse, was watching the "real scientists" having kittens in the press. If they miss quoted their references that badly when going for their doctorates they never would have been granted their PHD's.
It's one thing to have a small number of master stone carvers as there was during the Renaisance even though each carver had a signature style. To produce the volume of work found in Egypt, it would take many thousands of the best carvers the world has ever seen and with a direct standard of size, finish, and style. To duplicate the same items over and over in near perfect duplication, there would have to be precise measuring devices to insure the "standard" is held within specs.
Please go to India next!! You and Praveen Mohan need to do a tour there!!!! From the caves BAM looked at, to the inverted pyramid to the store chariot! Indian "temples and tombs" have all the same evidence of tech, as I am sure you know. Thanks for continuing to have one of the best channels in the webverse. As an anthropologist I really appreciate all your very researched and hands on based information.!
You start with a small hole, that way you can reach into the corner with space, and then you open the hole up with whatever grinding tool they used that has a smaller shaft on the end that doesn't interfere with the straight surface right flush with.
@@DigtlNativ if there were giants before the Flood, and people who lived for several hundred years, maybe size and lifespan weren't the only human capabilities that were superhuman compared to us. For example, maybe it was normal for them to be able to draw a perfectly straight line as long as they wanted. If they had sharper minds and eyes than us, and steadier hands, then their version of hand-made is something we can only achieve with machine tools.
@@customsongmaker Could that be within the realm of possibility? Perhaps. But you're missing one key point...giants would be more likely to survive a flood than humans because their heads would stay above water for longer. Statistically speaking that means more giants would've survived than short little humans, and giants do not currently populate earth. How do you explain this discrepancy 🤔
I didn’t know any of this stuff and thank you for taking us so close. This is absolutely mind blowing I don’t have any words for what my mind can’t comprehend absolutely mind blowing.
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At this point should the narrative be taken to "why are you lying" when addressing academia and so-called archaeologist? You, Brien Foerester and many others have presented a fantastic case for ancient high tech. Only a fool would believe these artifacts were produced by crude pounding tools.
Thank you Ben!
@@sailingaeolus archeologists have zero clue about advanced machining
Both the cornice (column end piece) & columns were cut on huge lathes. I see programmable lathe work plain as day. So let me explain what tools are still on the world's great stone worksites. A house & a large building are built similarly, so I'll use a house as my example because it's simpler. First, a surveyor drives up, gets out his tools, does his survey, puts his tools back in his truck and drives away with his tools.
Next, a truck drives up with a bulldozer, he brings out the bulldozer, clears the site, puts his bulldozer back in his truck and drives away with his bulldozer. Notice his bulldozer is his tool and he leaves with his tool. Next, a truck drives up with a steam shovel, he brings out the steam shovel, digs the basement, puts his steam shovel back in his truck and drives away with his steam shovel. Notice again his steam shovel is his tool and he leaves with his tool. This same pattern continues over and over. Front end loaders, back hoes, concrete trucks, cranes, the trucks drive up and leave with the tools they bring. Artisans do the same: cement workers, carpenters, heating men, plumbers, electricians, this list goes on & on, everyone brings their tools and leaves with their tools. No one leaves construction tools behind.
But when the house is done it is common for a few tools to still be there, a broom, a mop, a bucket and a rag. It's the janitor's tools. And it's exactly same at the great stone worksites. Have you ever met even one person who bought a house with a steam shovel the construction crews just accidentally left out in the back yard and forgot to take with them when they were done with it? Of course not. The very idea that construction tools would be found at great stone worksites is pure fantasy born out of abject ignorance and a touch of insanity. The craftsmen who built the world's great stone worksites were the elite of the elite, they brought the world's most specialized tools with them when they came, and they took their tools with them when they left. Their tools were unimaginably highly valued. The tools that are still there belong to janitors, maintenance & royal graffiti artisans. And valued like a broom.
Good luck dude
A few things I'd consider.
1- In the circular drill holes that have a bottom. I would like to vacuum whatever dust remains at the end/bottom, in hope that some evidence of the abrasive might still exist. Even modern day diamond coring drill bits could leave a clue.
2- Once cleaned of any dust, I'd cast the last point of contact at the bottom, and scan the last moment of contact. That would possibly show the clearest scratches of abrasion.
3- Similarly the huge stone boxes with the perfect right angle interior corners. I'd look to the corners for a microscopic image. Scanned and/or cast to see the last stroke in making those corners. Abrasive? Chisel? Other?
4- And make with our current tools, something to parallel those features for compare. i.e. What does the last stroke from the tools, show. Scratch? Dent? Nothing, even at the microscopic level?
Forsure!
Yeah I'm pretty sure it was all done using chicken bones.
@@jsmnzgb ok where do I find it
@@jsmnzgb "online" where??
These questions will never be answered by them lmfao.
youtube: 20 Mechanical Principles combined in a Useless Lego Machine for the answer
Every time I see those pieces at the start it blows my mind...It just looks so modern and precise.
Makes you almost wonder if they are...
@@PetraKann Everything is so straight and perfect that they ALL use the same angles to show them...hope he doesn't use his own 3d scans he was showing to convince himself, since the faceted part in his scan is not perfect, not straight, and even wanders of its direction sitting way lower on one site...
@@avamasquerade There are examples of this level of precision all over ancient Egyptian sites.
Even in this video, there is an example of a finished version of the stone box, which ancient Egyptians inscribed with hieroglyphics. It's the same design and everything.
Did you guys actually watch the video?
@@PetraKann as always when there is evidence (as shown in his own 3d scan) it gets ignored, if there isn't its a big thing...nothing to believe, its in the video.
It looks the opposite of modern. This style is ancient
It's like an archeologist in the far future claiming we first broke the sound barrier in a wood and fabric bi-plane.
I'm a lifelong machinist and fabricator. Retired now, but still using CNC mills and lathes. The facets on the edging are without a doubt made with some kind of precision machine. There is no way you could do that by hand. And going a step further there are currently two types of precision machines. Manual and computerized. Manual where the axis controls are turned by hand, and CNC where they are turned by computer. The flared columns while also made by machine were probably computer controlled because it's very hard if not impossible to do those curves on a manual machine. Another thing to think about is the cutting tool. You would need something at least as hard as diamond. Anything else would not be able to cut these long cuts without changing the tool which would invariably leave marks.
What are your thoughts on them using water ? The Nile was large and flowing then. Could they have made a high pressure gravity water jet? Possibly even using air pressure as well ? I dont know how high if a psi could be obtained using what the "history" books say was available. I know they found the Disk,.and to me it looks like it could generate velocity. Tubes/pipes would have been easy, well designed water wheel, and thick walled clay cylinder to hold and build air pressure. That would be added towards the end of the water to gain cutting power
There is no way YOU can do it by hand. Its a failure of your tiny mind, thinking that ancient egyptians were somehow dumber than you. Failing completely to realize that these things were designed and built by GENIUSES. Obviously you aint one of those.
si des personnes auraient pu faire le travail avec des machines nous aurions des preuves, or on voient des polissage dans tout les sens donc manuellement.
I've always wondered where the diamond cutting blades are, and adding computer tech to the theory is super interesting!
Could easily be done by hand. Like an abrasive plane. Made of stone. Ran along at an angle set in a wooden cradle with the weight of stone providing down force.
Ben!!! Congrats dude!! On JRE finally! I was hoping that would happen. So happy for you. Your very excellent channel will really blow up now. Lol. This is awesome. I think people are really starting to understand that our history is very different that what we have been told. It's great seeing you and Jimmy both on JRE. The more people start looking into it the more the paradigm will start to shift
Thank you Joe & Jimmy !!
I just came her to congratulate you on that aswell Ben. It was super interesting and fun. Keep up the great work!!!
From 1 Aussie to another, you rock Ben, I was listening to JRE the 4 hour podcast and was totally blown away, I love what you’re doing and if I could go back in time, I’d be doing what you are. Living the dream for sure and makes absolute sense what you’re saying about the vases 🤩🤯, blew my mind.
I am now binge watching your videos on TH-cam and love your work.
Please stay the bloke telling us the truth as you have seen and learnt through your career.
You should do tours and take old farts 💨 like me that would love to do digs and just feel like we are helping you spread awareness of all the common sense answers about the machinery and technology that we may never know how “They” did what they did.
Keep blowing our minds and you explain everything so well you can’t help but get excited about what you have found and accomplished in your life.
Sincere Thanks and Best wishes for the future 😊
Thanks so much.
Soon the voice of Zahi Hawasssssssss will be forgotten because he merely just didn't think it was important to start a youtube channel and be humble
7:50 bro, smelting. so easy lol
The faceting is exactly how a modern CNC machine cuts hard metals. It makes a series of rough passes with a larger tool before coming back with a smaller tool to remove the final bits of material and get a finished look. It does this because using the smaller tool that can make the clean finish to remove that much material would damage the tool or be way too slow.
Been a thing in hand stone carving for a long while as well, not to mention wood.
Yes some of this is hard to explain. However some of it can be done using the exact same stone that it’s crafted from and rotating hand tools granite sand with water.
Yes some of this is hard to explain. However some of it can be done using the exact same stone that it’s crafted from and rotating hand tools granite sand with water.
What do you mean? Like are you talking about a mill? You can literally just use the same bit and make more shallow passes as you get closer to nominal. You don't need to change the bits.
The thing that amazes me about this box is the audacity of the stonecarvers. By cutting all these shapes into the finished object, the carver guaranteed that even one slight error would result in a ruined box. Unless there are hundreds of failed, ruined, partially finished boxes for each complete box, it would seem an impossible task.
Great point. After a while observing all the stone artifacts the confidence of the builders is palpable.
Technology is indistinguishable from magic and that's the part that gets me, just the sheer mass production of the stuff is something else entirely. How unremarkable this box was in its day, that's what's remarkable.
@@seanzibonanzi64 If we set aside enough of the insistent assumptions of mainstream Egyptologists then it becomes possible that whoever fashioned these objects either had far longer to build all of it, as in thousands of years longer or they had far better tools if not both. Of course the possibility that whoever that was may not be the same or even not connected to the Dynastics credited with it is something that the status quo will never want to consider. It's also important to remember that to speak bluntly there's a great deal of public and professional corruption and graft in all levels of Egyption society. This means that when Zawi Hawes acts like anyone questioning the orthodoxy is trying to take his status, house and life that's exactly what we're doing because that's precisely what the culture is.
You underestimate how good somebody can get at a craft when that's all they do in their entire life.
That is the point.... We see nowhere how they tried to carve these boxes.
It amazes me how many people take the academic tale for granted.
There is a whole piece of our history wiped out. And the idea that there was a highly developed civilization before 12.000 years ago is ridiculed.
Arrived here by way of your Joe Rogan visit with Jimmy/Bright Insight. You guys did a phenomenal job on that episode!
Can't stand that creep, never, ever listen to him after seeing what he's done with the propaganda his guests spew. Rogan is a fraud, through and through.
Really enjoy the direction your vids come from - something lacking in most others.
Ben, this is by far the most convincing evidence yet for ancient high technology. I'll be sharing the video. Thanks!
Another great presentation. Having been a machinist for 40 years I feel certain that the features of the structures shown in this video could not have been accomplished with the tools attributed to the Egyptian civilization of this period. Perhaps the builders of all these amazing structures left and took their tools with them. Thanks Ben and keep them coming.
They could have left the tools in a pile beside it, and they would have been dust thousands of years before the egyptians crawled out of the mud. If we disappeared today, the only things left of us in 5000 years would be stone and bone.
most major civilizations around the world seem to have been started by Atlantean survivors who spread out after the cataclysm ended the Ice Age, and this is why so many cultures speak of "white gods" coming from the sea/sky, but you didn't hear that from me.
I know I always leave my expensive tools behind at a job site! Ha, it's like the "experts" never left the Art History building.
@@flowerpt Good point! And when you consider over 90% of the Sahara is desert up to 30m thick, how do we know what’s under there? New discoveries are being made all the time. If the Sahara was luscious and green when we (ancient tech advocates) believe the actual builders lived, then their tools could still be under there
Or the tools used to cut and shape the granite blocks were destroyed by following civilization’s just
like the Talaban we’re destroying 2 and 3 thousand year old statues for maybe the same reason…
I was 99.9% certain that there have been civilizations that are much more ancient and much more technologically advanced than the ones we normally study in history. But after this video, I have been brought to 100%. Very, very well done!
moi plus du tout cherche les détails
Oh yeah? How are you so convinced when they didn’t tell you which civilization was more advanced? There is no evidence of machines they may have used, right? There is no evidence the Egyptians didn’t build these and they kept great records. There is no DNA evidence of this alleged ancient civilization, right? They would have not taken wives or had offspring, lol. 😂😂😂
Patrick, you started your comment with “oh,yeah?” what are we, 14 years old? Catastrophic global events killed off the dinosaurs, except for birds. That couldn’t have happened to the humans? Egyptians didn’t have records of not building the pyramids? They also didn’t have records of how they built the pyramids, if they actually did. And there are no tools that have been found that would have been needed for a lot of the ancient architecture. And if these earlier advanced civilizations were hundreds of thousands of years ago, or 1 million or more years ago, there would be nothing left to show that they were here except for massive stone structures like they left for us to see. “Oh, yeah?” LOL at you, lad. Learn to think for yourself and not just buy into what is handed to you by the keepers of the status quo.
I saw a documentary that asked the question, 1 million years from now what would last that would prove that we had lived. And their answer was possibly the Hoover dam would be the only thing left from our civilization.
@@leonjambondior-t6j quels détails ?
Good one Ben. Excellent choice to show precision machining.
It’s undeniable
Thanks again mate
It was cast.
@@stewartoonagh definitely not cast. The stone blocks were carved from a quarry. No evidence of cast or concrete infrastructure that predates Roman era.
Thank you very much Ben! You are hands down one of the best channels on YT for these topics! Much love and Merry Christmas to you and yours Ben!💕💕💕
👏👏
Id def agree
Thank you Ben for the incredibly well curated shot and explained footage of the world’s most incredible artifacts. You inspired me to go to Egypt and Peru this year, thanks to you I had a list of artifacts to see for myself, this shrine, the lotus columns, the sphinx, valley temple, serapeum, the hard stone vases, sacsayhuaman, the coricancha, ollantaytambo. Even though I was prepared everything was more incredible in person. I will have to join you on a future expedition.
I would enjoy your perceptions of the artifacts you saw. I have been to Peru but not Egypt. I'm curious how you felt about the things you saw.
I am a self-taught CAD and CNC user for hobby guitar projects. Watching this was like being reminded of the design and machine milling toolpath strategies I have learned in the last six years. 😮
Cool story nerd.
@@BikingVikingHH What a jerk...
Happy as always to get a notification from Ben uploading a new video.
The facets being so consistent and over a large area really does make this artifact invaluable for the technology argument. Excellent work as always!
Fantastic footage and coverage of these sites and manufactured works of the ancients. The rose-granite "alter" or "shrine" defies history books and known technology in the past thousands of years. Also the power/energy of whatever caused such a HEAVY granite box to be thrown into the sand/ground like it is, must of been spectacular to say the least.
The perfect circular holes, round-cylindrical trim on the exterior, the sharp edges, the level/flat finish on the surfaces, the 4-faced pyramidal top... it's a Master piece by a master craftsman, who worked on some of the toughest stone the Earth has to offer.
It blows my mind every time, and never gets old to me. I love these granite master pieces throughout the old world. They are the truth that a civilization had technology, master craftsmen, and were well organized as to excavate, transport and craft such Granite products is a massive feat.
Thanks Ben, you're channel is a treasure.
Why does "old guard" archeology have such power over history? Archeologists aren't experts on how to craft stone. Yet they decide how these ancient works of stone were made?
Archeologists need to stick to graverobbing and we need to listen to real scientists and engineers!
Excited to see that you are scanning the granite fragments!
Amazingly beautiful. I wish the ones who made these were still among us or would come to visit... that would make for a fascinating conversation ❤️ ✨️ ❤️
Thank you Ben 🙂
For each cornice there, an awful lot of stone had to be removed. It's not like wrapping some stone around the top of something. Focusing on the decoration there is the minor thing, where the big thing is how they got that side flat. Once they did that, the cornice or molding was just finishing up.
Bravo, sir! Your dedication is seriously inspiring, your content is absolutely enthralling...as granite goes.
Granite is the only rock that man cannot reproduce and it has polonium halos in it that proves it was created instantly!!!!
Amazing, the boxes look like they've just come off a state of the art machine, like you say the round edging is unfinished but even the markings where its been tooled look perfect to my eye, absolutely mind blowing & boggling 🤯
As a machinist that has machined some of the toughest materials on the planet known to man , I tend to agree with all you have said in the video. One thing you possibly missed was the type of metal guide used for the cutting tool to move along. I have used ultrasonic tools to cut and I am beginning to think ultrasonics was used on the holes. We used the same technique to remove broken taps out of steel hydraulic blocks we manufactured to save the block. A copper electrode would vibrate up and down in water. Have you seen that video of the radioactive stone found in Egypt ,that vibrated violently in water?
Ultrasonic tools do seem like a possibility.
Good point. The “tool” does not wear down as, say in a grinding disc as a cutter.
I have not heard of this! Can you tell me more or post a link to a video on it please?
Finally! I have been waiting for a closer look at this box. Another aspect about these artifacts that really breaks my mind (besides how they were made) is the design they chose for these massive objects. Every lip, every edge, every shape is a decision made in stone. Are they only cosmetic designs or do they have some specific purpose? Do they have a deeper meaning? And why is so much of the stuff they left behind unfinished?
They built it with a rock!
A lot of stuff was left behind because they were hit by a great flood. That’s just a random idea I’m throwing out there but it sorta makes sense.
A shattering earthquake?
Evidence at other sites of a searing blast... meteorite strike?
@@ylemscalamity or war or natural disaster or punishment from God,
Why we can't think of a powerful civilisation that destroyed because of God's punishment
Like we see how the old big flood story is in every culture
@@ylemscalamity A flood should leave debree from where the water came from all over. Haven't ever heard of that being found all around.
Does anyone else start feeling conspiratorial when hearing previously open sites are now closed to the public? It's tragic enough we'll likely never know exactly what knowledge and technology was lost, but to have investigation artificially obstructed by governments is infuriating.
You got to be arrogant to think that we were the first civilization I think us humans been walking around for 250,000 years and we've been hit with meteor showers and Extinction events
We may once Hawass and his cronies get moved on.....
Have you been there? Do you know that this site actually is closed to the public? Do you know why sites are closed and reopened?Are you aware of the seasonality of the Egyptian sites? This channel has proved itself to be an unreliable narrator that spreads ignorance with no contribution to advancement of our knowledge of the subject. Instead their sole purpose appears to be to promote unfounded ideas for their benefit and for attention but to the detriment of actual science.
It's not that surprising that the country wants to protect their priceless ancient artifacts from whatever random person might stumble in from any corner of the globe and abuse the site.
No: many sites are being closed because the sheer numbers of people visiting them threaten their destruction.
Wow. That was so interesting. Fascinating. I'm in my late 70s, but this has blown me
away!
I've subscribed.
I have been following Graham, Randall and Jimmy for several years now and love the outside the mainstream thinking. Your knowledge on these ancient artifacts and how the technology was lost is so fascinating. Great job on Rogan by the way. Keep doing what your doing man! 👏
I've worked with marble both with hand tools and with power tools. I've worked with CNC machines and I've done construction work. The work there on those holes are incredible, very difficult to make
Call me old.fashioned,but I still prefer shaping marble and granite with freguency.And maybe it is a bit autistic,but the larger stones I move with audio frequency.
I make these holes exactly like this, in 1 day, by hand. Just as precise and difficult to reach as here. And it takes me 1 day to make the hand tools. The problem with these kinds of videos is mass hypnosis. If you say long enough, that it can't be done, only the possibility that aliens did it remains. It can be done, by hand, by allmost everybody.
Hm I mean the drill tip could just be made wider than the shaft, while the shaft is hold against the corner with two square blocks.
The shaft of the drill can be turned by a chain or a belt.
But the forces needed to be applied to work granit would mean either they had already modern style bearings to hold the shaft or would need to replace the blocks and the shaft constantly, as the drill dust would act like sandpaper in the meeting faces of both (in addition to normal wear).
Without modern bearings it's also hard to see how this drilling could be finished in a endless amount of time. I mean you can't drill the holes for a year or two, that's just bonkers - I mean there's several tons of stone needed to be removed elsewhere on the box.
Smoking gun. It was done by t rex's
@@RubenKelevra Those drill holes was made in about a days work,,with the technique you mentioned, a copper grind drill and a belt. easy peasy
Ben, keep making videos my friend 👍.
The faceted surfaces on the unfinished work is just outstanding just undeniable evidence to anyone who works or has knowledge of machine work
Agree. They are PERFECTLY straight, even and precise.
Also those circular boreholes. Impossible to do by hand. No hand/tool would fit as they are flush with the surface.
This is painfully untrue. The "machine" needed for those facets is a straightedge.
@@tonyennis1787 because you can cut granite with a "straight edge"? 😂😂😂
@@emartinezr there are a few things here, cutting versus marking. The poster is amazed that the lines were so precise. He shouldn't be. The cutting is a thing. The comment is 2 months old, I'm not rereading the thread.
Well done Ben. Those boxes are deceptively simple. Our ancestors were absolute masters of their stone-cutting craft. Keep up the good work!
thank you , the items you show never get shown . they are dumped or hidden . please more extreme close ups of the joins that just disappear and then your not sure if its solid or a extremely precise join , that we are unable to do today.
blows my mind .
oh and the box is stunning and disserves a place of pride . not dumped and half buried . glad you took a close look.
It is undescribable how excited I get when I see that you have created another video. Thank you so much for your amazing work and insight. 🤠👍
I have to say, some of the other guys - the Hancocks, the other TH-camrs - they reach a bit. Your channel is so grounded and unbelievably better for it
Hancock is a lost cause, IMO. He's too worried about appearing not racist.
Love these videos!!! Please keep them coming!!! 💞 Merry Christmas
This video was good. The first i have watched. I plan to watch many more. I have known these arguments for over 2 decades, but to see the monuments up close explained by the commentary is another experience altogether. I feel like my thoughts about history have been revolutionised.
MAN I AM ADDICTED TO YOUR CHANNEL! Keep it up, mate!
What a great insight! Clear proof that shaping the objects is at least a 2 step process. Also one can to a degree see the "resolution" of the rough cut. Or how much material they took away before moving on to the next step.
I love the 3D scans! Also fantastic close ups of the precise edges and corners. The stonework is in pristine condition (apart from damage), despite being thousands of years old. It is awe-inspiring. We cannot imagine what machinery was used by 'primitive' craftsmen, and there is not the slightest piece of evidence anywhere. This is pre-Egyptian without doubt!
I'll bet anything that they found the machines and they have hidden them from the public like they have hidden the giant skeletons that have been found everywhere!!!
They will do anything to protect their false Theory of evolution!!!
you do realize it is fake though right?
@@johnmatacola8867 You do realize that's impossible to fake though right? You do realize you sound like a fool for even suggesting it though right? That's carved from a multi ton block of granite from the Aswan quarry to the east across the river. Faking that would take a bare minimum of a team of engineers, stone masons, laborers and tools just to excavate it from the quarry, multiple cranes and high load capacity vehicles including a barge just to move it and that doesn't account for massive high speed impact drills and articulated saws just to get started cutting the thing. If you think it would be easy to make and just leave there as a hoax I want some of whatever you're smoking!!!
As a former mold maker its mind blowing how they managed to do this, this would be a hard project to do now. This was 2x thousand years ago amazing.
Even by the mainstream egyptologists the dating of those amazing works is supposedly between 2500 to 3300 years ago... My answer to the arguments where are the reamins of the civilizations who were truly responsible for the ginormous amount of so precisely worked super hard stone artifacts not only in Egypt is extreme antiquity as in over 15-20k years ago so any traces are either gone or are deeply burried and not found it yet.
Google Roman Sarcophagus. They made far more intricate/ ornate versions with the hardest of stone, a few centuries later, that make these look like a toddler made them. Multiple writings by the the Romans and Greeks state they learned to work with stone from the Egyptians.
@@itsnot_stupid_ifitworks Greeks started in this business in earnest around 2-3th century BC which is not exactly "few centuries later", the geometric precision and scale is absolutely nowhere near compare to to what is found all over Egypt, the hardest stone that they were able to work is marble with max hardness around 4,5 and as low as 3 compare to the granite 7 and they ofc were already well into the Iron Age. Ancient Egyptians had plenty of expirience working softer than granite stones on much smaller than the megalithic artifacts scale so the Greeks and the Romans learning from them and from the Fertile Crescent civilizations the craft is well established fact.It does not change the fact that say the granite boxes and their lids found in the Serapeum of Saqqara for example would pose quie the serious challenge if someone tries to replicate them nowday.
@@itsnot_stupid_ifitworks "Intricacy" does not require advanced manufacturing methods and dimensional control. Indeed, intricacy can hide a great deal of imperfection. It is extremely difficult to maintain straightness, flatness, circularity, and symmetry on "plain" objects. These are incredibly massive workpieces - I'd think into the tens (and even hundreds) of tons, and as natural objects they inherently also contain nonuniformities and defects that would greatly complicate any machining process that was not extremely adaptive (meaning some form of automatic feedback control). Simply quarrying, transporting - and handling these objects, loading them into the machinery (or otherwise setting up), providing continuity of dimensional referencing, and then executing the operational steps to create this outcome would be an undertaking today that would require a major program in equipment technology development before such a project could even begin. I'm not aware of ANY equipment in the world today capable of this, at this scale, and I've seen a great deal in my 35 years as a practicing mechanical engineer. This is simply astounding. Even if one were to consider the idea that the stone material might have been artificially created in a molding process of some kind (which would require very high temperatures, exotic mold materials, and further equipment and a working material that does not exist today) - there are clear die-locks that would have made such a mold very complex. One can note not only the centered feature at one end of one of the columns shown - but an apparently centered female square hole on the end of another as a possible drive engagement - which indeed is entirely consistent with a huge lathing operation of some kind - one that would require significant and controlled mechanical power to maintain. One thing is absolutely certain - these objects were NOT created with hand tools. The sheer amount of labor time required, the probability of error, the extreme difficulty of dimensional control, and the absence of any evidence of tool impact marks, etc. - make this obvious to anyone who has worked stone by hand, and even those who have not (like myself).
@jcalene k. The Sarcophagus of Helena at the Vatican really does a perfectly crafted job of hiding all of your imagined imperfections. The Greeks and Romans occupied Egypt for centuries and learned and vastly improved upon egyptian stone work techniques. By hand.
I've been a machinist for over 30 years, What I want to know is who is making all the blueprints for these structures and where are they?
The picture @25:09 of the straight lines is just amazing precision - great angle of the photo, Thank you
I haven't done much with stone but I've machined other materials and I'm genuinely impressed with the craftsmanship here. Yeah, the faceted part is really important but the shot that to me is most indicative of multi axis CNC machine work is 18:53 This view shows how a complex concave curve transitions around a 90 degree corner. I mean look at it. It isn't just a half circle cut into the profile. It looks perhaps parabolic or logarithmic. This is a pretty complex thing to cut. Furthermore, the size of the piece coupled with the precision of it is REALLY impressive. Making a precision cutting tool is one thing. Making a really big precision cutting tool is something totally different. Whatever they used to make this thing was amazing.
When I see all of those core drill holes in the video I can't help but laugh about the idea of some poor slob trying to cut them with a copper tube because I've cut holes like that in concrete when I was an electrician's apprentice. Granite? With a bow and copper tube? Not happening. 🤣 Cutting a 3" or 4" diameter hole 6" deep in concrete (soft as cheese compared to granite) with a big, electric, core drill bolted to the floor with drop in anchors used to take like half an hour to an hour. Granted, we had an old clapped out core drill that wasn't the latest greatest but it took two of us to carry it inside and it must have had at least a half horse electric motor on it.
great comment, thanks
Thank you so much for your input on this subject. I'm just a curious dumbass stoner but I am so fascinated of ancient societies... what secrets do they hold that we do not know 🤔 😭
You have hit the nail on the head here Sir! and described accurately what is a required from a practical standpoint! Again, so called "experts" choose to ignore a practical person like yourself and the brilliant 30 year plus expert stone mason and artist in the video. Why is the main stream experts so very scared of the truth?? probably academia stuck in time and boring reputations!
Doesn't it stand to reason that these cuts were made in the modern (ish) day with proper stone-cutting tools then? I mean, it'd be a fascinating topic to discuss, though numerous channels would have to alter their subject matter and foundational theories to accommodate and adequately explore the possibilities...
@@avamasquerade the thing is, we'd have trouble making this today with literally anything other than a giant CNC machine.
always an absolute pleasure to watch your videos keep up the hard work
Really interesting piece of engineering. I'm a tradesman with experience in stone and wood work and I can say I could drill a hole in a similar situation with a combination of a right angle drive and a tool bit that is larger in diameter than the diameter of the operating end of the right angle driver head. Of course as you said. you would need really powerful tools to accomplish something like this, especially with precision and accuracy. Here is one idea I have how these holes could have been drilled. If the shaft driving the bit was smaller in diameter than the bit, and a lever was used in the ~90 degree range of freedom available, they could've used some kind of a bearing block with a hole in the middle to brace the shaft exactly centered in the corner. They could've also used such a braced narrow shaft in combination with rope wound around it to generate force somewhere outside the box. No idea what they would've made these tools out of but definitely something tough.
Drilling the holes seems to be the simple part. How did they make the box with such precise inside corners and the outside in such an exclusive shape out of one piece of granite? I would like to see any modern company or group of people build something Similar without using power tools.
@@Richard-zc1cj i think the biggest limiting factor stopping someone from attempting this is the cost of materials and labor. That being said, what could justify such expenses being paid in the time that the box was made?
@@zackrog1270 That's a good question -- the economics of all this stonework is something that is rarely considered. An agricultural economy(which is what ancient Egypt was) generated maybe a 10 percent surplus, which frees up around 10 percent of the population to do something other than grow food. Once you subtract the bureaucrats, priests, soldiers etc you're left with a fairly small number that could work on these stone projects. To me the numbers don't add up -- you couldn't do all that monumental precision stonework in the time period given with a relatively small work force using stone and copper tools by hand.
Great video. Machining is written all over the examples shown in your video. The cylindrical shapes have a circular end and centering hole on the opposite side, just like a lathe. These machines had to be enormous.
Why hasn't anyone found evidence of these enormous machines ?
The 3D scans are a nice addition to the usual superlative content I've come to expect on this channel.
Thank you.
Hi Ben. This was so well done and put together. All of the imagery and that transition from a facetted curve to a smooth curve is so impressive. The opinions of expert stone carvers in combination with your well reasoned perspective makes this evidence so amazing. Thank you !
I think it would be awesome to get more people like Alma out to Egypt to look at these artefacts and do some longer form content with their professional opinions
That ear-piercing audio at the beginning nearly blew out my ear
You've made another great case for a tale of two industries. I'm not getting any younger(YD) and I hope acknowledgement and research is forthcoming.
As fantastic and awe inspiring as this work is ,nobody will believe it's the work of mechanised tooling unless we find the machine that did it
Nor should they.
Why exactly is that. After most believe a man lives in the clouds and thats where you go when you die........without a single piece of evidence, but yanno thats probably a whole different video.
No because the syndicate that built castles and megalithic structures like this kept everything a secret because they didn’t want other nations to copy there technology.
The mirrored symmetry & accuracy of some of these massive stone statues and structures is simply astounding. The human race is definitely missing some pieces of our/earths past.
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100%
It's known by some. That's for sure
Yeah, only Artisans with mysterious, unknown power tools can do good work. Ancient people were actually really stupid and had zero talent.
I'm starting to believe that humanity had a previous golden era before the younger dryas impact event. Judging by the monoliths that exist across the globe, I believe humanity was already connected at the global scale and sharing knowledge. I assume most civilizations lived by the sea or rivers near sea level and were wiped out by the global tsunami following the impact event. Any advanced tools, if made of metal, likely eroded away after several thousands of years, were melted down during times of war, or if we are lucky, are sitting in some rich person's private collection waiting to be revealed.
One of my favorite ideas to contemplate, when inspecting, and analyzing the properties and attributes of artifacts like this, is the fact that a simple feature or embellishment such as the "edging", featured on this boxes' design, reinforces the idea of how much planning, and attention to detail is necessary and required in designing and engineering these artifacts.. these types of features, on an object that is created from a single cohesive piece of unforgiving material, are not improvised, or afterthoughts by the artisans who manufactured them. To suggest that there were no physical design plans, or even a single architectural drawing to plan the specifications of the design, is an claim that only someone with zero understanding of engineering and design could make. Or possibly a person who has an agenda, and only by denying the existence of what the evidence is suggesting could preserve their viewpoints and interests..
Hi Ben,
By trade I am a toolmaker, specifically plastic injection mould tools. One primary process we performed was 'blocking up', which is essentially establishing the datums by machining the block faces flat, parallel, and square to each other. We could then run a precision 'clock' along these faces to ensure our machines were precisely aligned with thes datums so that any machining operation aligned up correctly and at the correct location.
Now, it occurs to me that if the quarrymen did this basic process of blocking up with face mills then they are all set for any consequent machining operations. You showed evidence of the precense of such 'blocking' machinery at 10:55.
Blocking up at that quarry would not have been a trivial operation, so I have full awe and respect for those ancient Egyptian quarrymen.
However, I suggest that the key difference with the modern techniques outlined above, and what they had available at the time was that rather than rig separate machinery around the stone block to match datums (with the exeption of the blocking machinery), they may have used the stone edges and faces as datums to directly perform further machining operations.
This could, for example, be by mounting a corner block of stone that would slide along an edge with arms mounted that held tools at the correct offset to perform their cutting operation in a precise repeatable manner. This method lends itself well to block type operations, but leaves the question of the more organic machining open to further suggestions.
Regardless of how they ancient Egyptians did it, I remain in awe and wonder of their designs, conceptions and executions of some of the most beatifull stonework to be found anywhere in the world.
Still does not explain how they made giant boxes out of granite, out of ONE PIECE of granite, with precision inside corners, and laser flatness inside and out. Granite companies have been shown this work and said they could not reproduce that.
@@davestephens8033 what makes you think that a professional stonecarver who had months on hand couldnt have done that
@@davestephens8033 It partially explains it. It helps to imagine yourself doing what I described above. To me, the most difficult part would be hollowing out the cavity. A jack hammer would be the ideal tool here. They may have instead sped it up by using disc cutting tools, of which there is evidence of there use. It would have been extremely difficult and highly skilled stonework, but there it is for all to see.
No tools, no skill, no granite box. Simple.
They had the skills, they had the tools. The central mystery is why the tools aren't documented or laying in the ground somewhere.
@@QuentinRowe-ww6gm Its not a mystery. These fantastic precision works are from the earliest times in Egypt. Its been pretty well shown that these much older works were REPURPOSED by much later dynasties. This is why we see painting of workmen using hard rock pounders, when we know for SURE nobody could use use hard rock pounders to make laser perfect flat surfaces. All this precision work just immediately STOPPED, and what came after were real crude piling of natural stones to make low walls etc. The question remains WHO did all this perfect machining and statues that follow geometric 3D planes like you would carve a statue with CNC technology. And all these precision works ended at the same times on Earth. So if you have PROOF that these works EXIST, and they are all over the planet using the same precision techniques, and suddenly no more works like that were being made, WHO WAS IT that did these works? And the only real answer is that there WAS a civiization of high technology that was destroyed in a single world wide event. This event exists all over the Earth in sedementary sand beds as black layers in the sand, and in the stories of a world wide deluge that exists also all over the world, the SAME event. 26,000 years ago seems to crop up alot in these visible signs. If a world wide event wiped out most of all life on Earth in our time right now, 26,000 years from now its like there will be no evidence of cell phones or computers or cars. Everything smashed to bit and corroded away. Archaeologists keep their own made up mythologies and insist that we are the most advanced civilization ever, yet we can't duplicate the granite Bull "coffins" out of one SINGLE piece of stone. Granite companies said they could only do it by bolting single flat pieces together to make a box. Our entire history is a lie. There have been so many artificats embedded in coal strata, made by completely unknown civilizations and archaeologists don't know what to do with that, and their explanations are often more ridiculous than not. Most of their beliefs come from the 1800's and are written in stone and dare not defy old textbooks. They are more a priesthood than scientists.....
It's even more fascinating when you find out there are many many sites around the world that are not very well known that are built of of massive stones that we would have trouble moving today
Excellent work, Ben.
Am contributing to help you, from New Zealand. 👏🏼🥰
Thanky you!
That was an amazing video. Quite frankly while admiring the precision on these stones, my first impression is that all this was cut by a lazer!
Lazer? is this a new Laser?
@@tempest957 no, the Z stands for Ztimulated
@@tempest957 it's like a laser, but more hip.
I have been fascinated by this subject for a long time. As a carpenter and craftsman of 30+years I can't begin to imagine what tools were in existence to complete these structures. I know we currently do not have tools to do this work... Not to say we couldn't do it... Just too expensive to create such things in today's times and for what purpose?
And they claim that this is just a "tomb"
@@Kiyoonethey? You mean the ancient egyptians themselves who litterally wrote into stone excactly what the purpose of the pyramids are 😂
Incredible video - as always.
My background is as a designer. Some other interesting points occur to me that often don't get a mention, but I feel are valid.
The beauty, symmetry, finish, proportion, geometry and aesthetic of these objects is stunning and highly advanced. That doesn't just happen. It evolves in a culture over long periods of time.
Many of the objects reflect earthly things. Statues have navels, fingernails... they are stylised humans, mammals. The columns depict tall palms. A culture and civilsation rooted in that location on the Nile to a large degree. These objects all have a beauty of perfection and proportion that is stunning.
You would only conceive carving any of these designs from solid blocks of granite if it was fairly easy and efficient to do so. This is also evident in way that some are discarded if they crack or a mistake is made. Obviously it was fairly efficient to carve and transport massive solid objects. Many appear mass produced and near identical. It was also possible for whoever was producing the object, to map out and see the finished piece within the solid block as work was done, with incredible precision. If you have tried any type of carving you will appreciate the difficulty.
Sculpting as we know is either “additive” or “subtractive” with moulding and casting being a bit of both.
If you wanted to privately have a piece like "the shrine" made, delivered, and installed in your home... I'm not even sure you could find someone to do it. And if you could, it would take a very long time and cost millions in my guesswork.
Actually I think building this stuff would be easy with the tools they had back then
Drilling the holes in the box with a bow dril wouldn't be a problem it just takes time and patience your drill bit would need to look this
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You hold the end blocks hard in the corners and wrap the string around the middle offset
And the sharp edges can be made precisely by using a plane and a string with a set of dividers or a gauge block
The edge detail pieces I see being ground in place with multiple planes and sand/granite dust and water and a cutting media
The people that built this stuff had time on there hands and I believe they worked off the barter system so they did nothing for 35 years but worked granite and all the tricks the previous gernerations learned was passed down. So since they did nothing but worked granite as they needed stuff it was given to them and they created what they needed to make it work so they wasn't looking for food they just worked granite and it became easy for them over generations. It wasn't until a few hundred years ago that a son stopped doing the same job as his father
@@adamcostigan1043 please demonstrate. You have obviously never tried to carve anything from granite.
Wow, excellent presentation and you made an excellent case here worthy of more attention. Machinist here and the only thing I would like to add is perhaps the faceted rough cut on the edging was made by some sort of a guided/tracked carving tool as opposed to rotary cutter. Either way, there is no doubt in my mind that whoever fashioned these stones absolutely were not simply using hand chisels and hammers.
Hmm, I like the idea of a tracked cutting tool. That makes more sense, and it certainly would have been possible in their time. I was previously suggesting a chisel tipped with carborundum/ silicon carbide/ moissanite but it could have been a scraper with such a hard tip brazed to it. If they had the ability to braze silicon carbide to bronze tools, all this really fine work work makes WAY more sense since they had no steel.
@@cheatinggravity173 i think it had to be a mill though.
if it was strokes then the finish would be very rough , or the passes very thin and takes ages to finish.
also the forces the cut even thin strokes would need a massive modern shaper to be rigid enough to not jam and crash.
those facets are a simple way of hogging of material with a mill. a very illogical way stroking. especially since massive amounts of stock was already removed
@@josephpowell6009 looking into this subject is new for me; I had NO IDEA just how much hate and vitriol is spewed by those who think along more traditional lines towards anybody who says there is some other tool at work here besides just silica and aluminum oxide (sand) abrasives and wood, stone, and copper. People really have divided themselves into two camps that will never agree on anything regardless of proof, common sense, or logic.
What I see after a little more digging is just more proof confirming some of the accuracy acheved by ancient Egyptians is on par with the work being done today's machine tools. And zero proof that anybody of recent times that has used the abrasive and copper chisel method to achieve anywhere close to the kind of quality work the ancient Egyptians did.
Im still not saying machine tools were used, but I am saying is that there is no way they didn't have harder tooling to work with such as carborundum/ moissanite from a meteorite or some other type of carbide. *possibly* hardened steel but I doubt it. There certainly were diamonds available to them, as they can be found in meterorite impacts as well but thier grain structure is more prone to fracturing than manufactured diamonds. Still usable as abrasive, just dowsnt seem like there would be nearly enough quantity to work with as an abrasive. Diamond's impact toughness is terrible.
They say "like cuts like" (in regards to hardness) but what I'm seeing with modern attempts at bowl making, and in my own experience working with many different materials, not with good accuracy.
Example: make a rectangular granite box with perfect inside corners with .030" radius and flat surfaces to within +/-.004" like I've seen the ancient egyptians make. Not some stupid easy shallow round bowl with some grooves in it that looks like it was made by a kid in high school. It's those square inside corners that are hard to make because there is very little stroke length the closer you get to the corner, and round tools such as tube drills don't make square inside corners and have to be finished in some other way. To abrade away the material down to a fine corner? Someone please show me how they did it 3-4000 years ago with bronze, stone, and sand.
INSANELY awesome craftmanship. I'm just a middle-aged woman looking at these phenomena and not a person on this planet can tell me these objects were carved by hand with prehistoric tools. Totally awe inspiring!
totally agree
For the sake of argument, if the proposed tools were steel; do you believe it would be possible to perform by hand?
@@Vision_2 No, I don't think so. Imagine the strength necessary. The precision is too precise too, and then we've still got the issue of those holes tight into the corners they showed, and the sheer size of those objects.
That's howyou know they are counterfeits...
@@roxy5154 But far more complicated granite work has been accomplished by steel hand tools. Churches, banks, government buildings, military forts, lighthouses. All without power tools.
As an engineer and having a lot of construction work experience I have zero doubt that box made by advanced tools. So there's 2 possibilities:
1. Either advanced, I repeat, advanced civilization existed.
2. Or it's made by modern tools and droped there to attract tourists.
you forgot precast stone.
While the incomplete artifact should give clues to how it was constructed, I have to think that the waste material might also give important clues. If, for example, the waste material was almost entirely small grains and chips, that could mean grinding and percussion was involved, but if the waste material consists of large scraps with smooth sides, that could mean cutting was involved.
I was thinking sort of the same, in wondering where is all the waste materials, for instance the 2 wholes in the top of the opening, where are the cylinders that came out of that and what details they would provide, or maybe nothing was wasted, instead repurposed.
It seems you are assuming that such work would have been done on the site the artifact sits on today in order to search for and reconstruct such fragmented waste material like the world's worst jigsaw puzzle. However that would not be the case as any civilization capable of quarrying, carving and moving such massive stones would surely not be forced to perform all work at the site it was to be erected/used. Also there is no reason to leave waste stone chips near the finished product. Even if you could find an abandoned work site with several pieces left in various stages of finishing it would be nearly impossible to reconstruct what was being done and how from waste material. Learning from waste material is unfeasible and nearly impossible, a much better and more likely construction signature to learn from would be finding examples where mistakes were made and the piece was rejected, such as over cuts, off center drilling, or angles not being squared.
@@benjamincrowley9919 I was referring to finding scraps next to incomplete artifacts, that were abandoned while being worked on. Surely the scraps weren't cleaned up. But even with regard to completed artifacts that have been removed from the worksite, I have to think that the scraps are somewhere, and if we are open to the idea we might be better prepared to identify the scraps if they are encountered.
Unbelievable evidence and footage! The more I learn and see about the ancient stone work, the more I know this was not done with hand tools. That box and those enormous columns are absolutely amazing pieces of work. Clearly done with heavy machinery and high speed cutting bits. Man I wish I could see what really was going on at that time!
JRE brought me here! What an outstanding episode with you and Jimmy. You boys killed in on there!! New subscriber here!
wanted to comment on banding around the box. I own a granite fabrication company and the straight lines are done to save the tools. We use what's called a breaker bit to rough out shape and then more precise bit to start completing finish design. Park Industries has a straight line edge machine we use which does that. make multiple straight passes starting at say 1 pass then diamond moves say 10 or 15 degrees and makes another until finished with only moving the head say around 2 degrees or so but the human eye has a hard time seeing the lines. under a microscope you would see multiple straight lines, if it was a CNC machine the bits we use are basically routers bits impregnated with diamonds thru the shape of the bit. In that case you would see a different pattern but the diamonds will leave a pattern as the bit gets used and degrades from the granite being harder and eating up the bonding material holding the diamonds. I would love to go sometime with your group and actually see it in person and how amazing it really looks etc. hope this helps and this is just what I think may have happened with out touching looking measuring etc. Love the videos ! Please let me know how to be part of your travels etc.
uh, that would be cool if one could confirm such lines exist there on finished part...
Another great video. I love how you focus in on the incredible and anaomalous aspects of the artefacts and sites in your videos. I notice that you are a little more confident in pointing out the conclusions of what you observe (which are totally earth shattering). Add together all this evidence and you have an astounding technological profile for a presence that existed in the past. To list the technological capabilities would sound like a science fiction story. As Plato wrote about the 'Labyrinth' - you cannot describe all the detail since people would start to question your sanity (I cannot remember the precise quote but that is the gist of it ).
What I find really challenging is how, using a machine they managed the point where the horizontal molding converged on the equally machined vertical edging which is mostly missing except for the small part where they converged.
I'm a sceptic of the theory of ancient hi-tech, but this is fascinating. One question that pops into head is "why"? In a sense, the technology would dictate the outcome, so if the tech wasn't in place or invented, why would one dictate these fine lines unless they had something we don't know about?
@@magnuskallas the fasetted lines are a must to get the edges near perfect in height and width
❤️ your channel! Keep up the great work! 👍
Being in granite and marble manufacturing. I can confirm that you could technically drill those holes flush against two axis. The trick would be to reduce the size of the head that the core bit fits too.
Love your work Ben keep it up 👍
..Agree. A very powerful Jacob's Chuck, or taper collett, offset gear driven....,
in relatively minute dimensions.. ;}
Or a same size head as bit and you could wedge it in the corner and use it as a stabilizer and guide.
Or a squared head the rights itself when pressed into the corner.
Hi Ben,
Can I draw to your attention some of the design elements shared with the buildings surrounding the shrine box you are studying in this video.
They are:
- The vertical tubular cornices are on the outside corners and have a short square base.
This can be seen at 6:06 & 12:47 on the entrance to the Temple to Horus at Edfu.
- The flared eve at the top edge of the shrine box, just above the horizontal cornice.
This can be seen at 6:06 & 12:47 on the Temple to Horus at Edfu above the entrance doorway. Although the end piceces have fallen off, the curve they left is clearly visible.
You can also see this feature at 26:39 in the same Elephantine Island quarry at 26:39.
You suggest that the hieroglyphed box may have been an older artifact placed in the Edfu temple, rather than commissioned at the time of the building of the temple. If so, then this implies that the Edfu Temple design was inspired by either the shrine box itself, or at least the ideas behind it remained important to the egyptians from the earlier time of the shrine box manufacture to the Temple's construction.
I am intrigued that both building and box design elements are present at both the Elephantine Island and Edfu locations.
Any ideas on what to make of these observations?
I remember they could dissolve stones to win gold with chemicals... So that means they also could cast stones in complicated shapes, within the casting limits ofcourse....
It's just ancient cement, look at the sun temple, pyramids and other sites and ask yourself why they have so many outdoor bath tubs.?
@@erik_1953 Except none of the carvings shown are in cast stone (which has a very obvious look, texture and composition). They are all, absolutely all, carved granite.
What an amazing piece, truly mind blowing evidence.
Wow, I can't believe it also had that edging. Yeah, I've always thought to myself that this was the mic drop of ancient stone work. I remember having to draw it up in steps to help rest my mind because I kept wondering how it was done. You can make this small scale with a block of aluminum. I mean it's possible, but doing it with a giant very heavy block of granite is just next level unimaginably difficult because of the obviously size of the machines and movements needed...and of course tools available. Hardly anyone ever seems to talk about this box. Look at that top, look at how centered it is because if off just a smidgen then it's screwed. It's like how the pyramid's sides all had to line up or else they'd be way off center at the top. It looks as if, if they wanted the top to have a sharp point, they damn well could have. Look at the flatness of everything, especially the sides of the top. Just imagine cutting that with a giant horizontal mill or band saw and traversing a table strong enough to hold that weight into the cutter at just the right speed and rotating the stone to do that 3 more times to get the same result.
Then there's sharpness of edges and inside corners and drill holes..(I'm speaking about the Puma Punku H-block holes and others) How the crap are you drilling a tiny hole and in a spot like that with..copper or bronze diamond-tipped bit and a bow drill or whatever contraption people can think up? You need high RPM's for that and a carbide masonry bit..with maybe a hammer drill and the offset attachment in this instance. For the edging to be there you'll have to remove all that material surrounding it, because it's a high relief (like at Gobekli Tepi rather than the low reliefs you see with heiroglyphs) and remove all that material that was inside the box, which in machining you'd use an end mill...then of course square those rounded inside corners up because a spinning cutter only cuts round. You'd now need another machine like a slotter or broach to press down into it and chip away. And even that edging was machined..something you wouldn't even expect. It's round but started square and the cutter ran the length of it in a series of passes at different angles to make it appear round. It was so good that they didn't even need to bother sanding it. You can see the pattern here and many times you can even see how much material was removed with each pass or revolution of the blade. When sanding or grinding or using sand abrasive you won't see any of that. It'll just be smooth and it'll never ever be perfectly straight or flat. Anything done on a lathe will always be perfectly round as well and never perfectly round if done any other way.
They had to set up such amazing machines and ways to move and perfectly rotate this stone that they likely made a bunch of them because of all the trouble and complexity, especially since this box has so many features. There's no way this was their first one. I mean the first one was a box..and then someone wanted a better one, and they improved upon it. I skipped over a lot, but you get the gist. Building this stuff with wood would be very difficult and they did it with stone. Why were they so obsessed with sharp edges and straight lines? They had very sharp/hard tools and precise machines. This stuff is just so amazing that it's like looking at something that shouldn't exist.. Those papyrus columns are just ridiculous..
great comment, thanks
@wheelmanstan I just want you to know, as someone with attention deficit difficulties, that your comment is so interesting that I was able to read it - albeit at my own pace - in one go, no rereading. Hey, thanks for the intelligence shared!! 👍
@@smokerputz I wrote way more than I had initially intended, haha, so I appreciate your comment.
Absolute evidence of high tech robotics far beyond what our cnc tools can accomplish today with granite. No question. No argument.
It was an extraordinary high tech culture.
But where did it go?
That's the mystery of mysteries.
@@anzacman5 They are us, we just forgot about it and as the state of our consciousness shifted, so did our "reality" (which is actually a dream) into a one where we are surrounded by this mystery. We kind of wanted to forgot about our divine and godly source. This is the story of Satan, Adam & Eve cast down & out from the Fullness. We are spiralling further and futher away from the Living Truth.
We also used to be much larger, as human consciousness hadn't diffused into us smaller egoistical bits. Past "humans" were like complete nations in one titanic body. But also the "laws of nature" were different as the "reality" isn't a reality but a dream and interdream "realities" do not have to be consistent. This explains all of the mythical stories and deity pantheons.
I find it astonishing that "ancient tech" is ancient, I feel these works of art are way more advanced then we are...
I've never worked with stone - though I've known many people who have - but I've worked with wood for a few decades. That edging that appears to be first faceted and then rounded is a common method of creating a round edge. The method is useful for a couple of reasons. It is easier to lay out and measure straight lines, both as you're initially laying it out, and as you're working on it. It makes it easier to end up with a precisely straight and a precisely round edge if you start with an easily measured square profile, and then start cutting the corners off, creating more facets, then progressively cutting smaller and smaller corners off. This method makes it easier to measure and to control your precision, but it also depends on particular tools. It is easier to make a tool that will cut straight, flat profiles, than it is to make a tool that will cut round profiles - this is true for power tools or hand tools. Whether you're working with stone or wood, hand tools or power tools, the process is a series of steps of waste removal, starting with the removal of large, rough chunks of waste, followed by the removal of smaller, more refined bits of waste. If you have a tool that will efficiently cut straight, flat profiles, it makes sense to use it during these steps of waste removal, until you get your piece to the point where it just needs a bit of scraping, or sanding, or polishing to achieve the shape you want. If you don't have such a tool, if all you have is rocks and chisels and mallets, there would be no advantage to cutting such precise facets when all your doing is waste removal.
This. Also, all the closeups 10:08 show the small indentations on the facets that are the result of a chisel, and would have ultimately been removed by finishing the piece.
Another consideration on the difficulty of carving such a precise bit of edging, that immediately becomes apparent when you sit down with your tools to produce it, is that the edging isn't what needs to be carved. It's the surrounding field that has to be carved. The entire box has to be carved down 2 1/2 inches, flattened, and smoothed, to reveal the 1/2 rnd edging. The box isn't created, and the edging added to it; the box's creation reveals the edging.
This reminded me of how a "spoke plane" works.
my brother is also working with stone and i thought the same
This is why I hate all these TH-camrs making these speculations like it's fact.
"Oh it HAD to be machining" no 🤦♀️. If you don't have any experience in any sort of artisanal work then you shouldn't be making ANY assumptions about this shit was made.
Being an expert on ancient Egypt does not automatically make you an expert at working with rock 🤦♀️
Ben, I love your content. Hopefully we'll be able to get things straight, as the truth is eternal, unbendable and always explainable. No matter who tries to fool us into believing a construct of lies, the truth will always prevail, as a matter of fact. This is why people like you, Randall, Graham, John Anthony, Chris Dunn and so many others were born for. You are the ones that will lead the Illuminism of this post modern brain damage we are confronted with on a daily basis.
Keep it up dude, you're awesome!
Very cool finding! Seems that to speculate what tool did the work you need to identify what metal or material could easily cut granite and then theorize the tool shape and size. Then you have your answer close as possible to what they used. It's obvious any metal was reused over the hundreds or thousands of years so there may never be a chance to actually see one. Possibly a clever ancient machinist hid one that will one day be discovered. Keep chasing this!
I am a design engineer for a aerospace company and I completely agree with everything you are saying there is mounting evidence of ver sophisticated machining technology present Al over Egypt.
I did have a thought as to the apparent missing evidence of any types of tools, if the Egyptians did have complicated and effective stone working tools it isn’t hard to believe they would have been highly sought after and even after the Egyptians could no longer understand or maintain the tools it’s likely they would have been dismantled for their valuable material.
Thanks for continuing your channel Ben, long time follower , really think the work you are doing is very important, you may not be the scientist or the archeologist that discovered or analyzed sites originally, but your videos , communications skills and collaboration bringing all like minded resources/people together is just the best out there, your channel and website are the beacon for the megalithic age today, i hope we discover or educate the facts in our life times jointly
cheers. Jacob
ps fellow aussie from Van Diemans land
Thank you!
Imagine a huge rough hewn rock standing in front of you and a papyrus plan in your hand , then having to create these objects to the exact dimensions provided ...no mistakes , no miss- measurements, every edge perfect , every facet flat and smooth . This work is NOT possible without machines , it's ridiculous to think it could be done otherwise.
The answer is out there Ben , keep digging mate.
I am 100% a believer in the idea of our species being victim of amnesia as Graham Hancock says. Thanks to you Ben for your travels and exposing details for folks like me to see.
This channel is debunked on so many occasions. You can see lots of footage on precision work on granite manually up to how megalithic structures were done by the romans like Baalbek
@@hoidoei941quiet you clown
Saw you on Rogan. I knew you'd be huge soon. Very cool, my friend
Fascinating content here. Thanks for posting this one!!👍. As a machinist and mechanic I can fully appreciate the amount of craftsmanship that has gone into a lot of things that cannot be duplicated with tools & machinery in use today . It truly boggles my mind as to just how much of this was made . Maybe some day we will know for sure .
What a change of mood suddenly upon seeing an UnchartedX upload 🎉
Absolutely love the commentary it's something that really connected me with the videos otherwise I usually scroll on
Im an aerospace machinist. These holes fascinate me. Difficult to say the least
How much granite hand-working is there in aerospace machining? This has repeatedly been proven possible by use of a hand-cranked copper core drill and abrasive dust/slurry. The tight corner here makes it a bit more awkward but by no means impossible - you just can't turn the drill through 360° if using the crank, either you rotate it back and forth through 90° or you get rid of the crank and roll it around using the corner of the confining surfaces as a guide - all pretty obvious solutions which should be evident to an aerospace engineer, I believe, hell, I'm a joiner and its obvious.... But perhaps that's the point - if you work all day with machines you probably have a big blind spot in the area of hand-crafting, lile everyone else here.
@@JesseP.Watson You definately sound like a joiner allright.
@@flawmore Aye, and you sound like a sparky.
@@JesseP.Watson Hey! What are you trying to say about us sparkies!? haha
@@JesseP.Watson Haha, it's actually pretty interesting to see that electricians and carpenters/joiners have the same relationships regardless of country.
And yes, you were correct! Cheers!
8:40 a groove in the cylinder for the rope to ride in, and the open spindle end was likely pointed to be held by a wooden block at the end. This would allow it to be both flush with and square to the wall.
I think the holes in the door frame were not meant for pivoting but rather securing a completely removable door, based on the positioning. A pivot would result in a very odd shaped door on the sides
This guy has no clue
25:57 Yu are our man on the ground!! .. I' am old and crippled.. you visit sits as I would if I was younger and able!! Our boots on the sand
The way the edging on the box is a circle made out of straight lines is super interesting because that’s how 3D printers and cnc machines make circles and it’s how circles look zoomed in in 3D modeling programs. The circles are formed out of a bunch of straight lines in machining and can be smoothed out a number of ways
Yeah, it’s as though multiple small milling bits were working simultaneously, or, alternatively, each facia was ‘planed’ flat, before the jig was reset at the next angle….
@@tomwinterfishing9065 ...or chiselled flat. Grow up.
Watch a 3d printer print. You'll find this untrue. The layers stack and cncs remove material in the same manner. If they did cnc it, why does it look like its carved
@@1977ajax I would be curious to see a modern craftsman try to reproduce this level of accuracy with a mallet and bronze chisel on something of this scale. I'm sure somebody could get really good with enough practice. What we don't know, is just how precise is the work on that piece? +/- .01" over the length of a foot? How about the variation in thickness throughout its length? We just dont know.
The other question is why was such precision necessary? If that level of precision is not necessary, why pay somebody to take so much time to try to acheive it?
One more point- if carving that faceted piece (that would eventually get the facets polished to a fully rounded profile) by hand, there is absolutely zero need to make it faceted first (especially not with such accuracy). Just think about how you would carve it.
If a precision machine is carving it, the precision comes automatically.
I'm not saying they used milling machines (because there's none left behind) but just saying it boggles the mind.
@@cheatinggravity173 Not at all; clearly you have no experience in this field to unboggle you, that's all. Your personal incredulity counts for nothing, I'm afraid.
I found your channel before I heard of Graham Handcock. With the apparent success of Ancient Apocalypse, and the likelihood there will be more of the series, is there any chance some of your work may be involved? I find your research into ancient machining to be as compelling as anything of the other evidence. With the increase in public interest, I hope your work continues to get more attention.
@UnchartedX This is a very good idea. Ancient machining tool marks and sawblade overcuts should most definitely be put on Netflix. Lets see the naysayers try to debunk those :)
I find it to be the most compelling of all with overlap on others work regarding irregular polygonal stone structures. Much of of Handcock's work also has compelling debunking on much of it (Stephen Milo for one) but controversy is a good thing in such a speculative field and Graham has shaken things up a bit.
My favorite JOKE of the day, after Netflix released Handcock's Ancient Apocalypse, was watching the "real scientists" having kittens in the press. If they miss quoted their references that badly when going for their doctorates they never would have been granted their PHD's.
It's Hancock, not hand cock
keep posting Ben . I love watching your channel
It's one thing to have a small number of master stone carvers as there was during the Renaisance even though each carver had a signature style. To produce the volume of work found in Egypt, it would take many thousands of the best carvers the world has ever seen and with a direct standard of size, finish, and style. To duplicate the same items over and over in near perfect duplication, there would have to be precise measuring devices to insure the "standard" is held within specs.
Clearly not the case
Please go to India next!! You and Praveen Mohan need to do a tour there!!!!
From the caves BAM looked at, to the inverted pyramid to the store chariot! Indian "temples and tombs" have all the same evidence of tech, as I am sure you know.
Thanks for continuing to have one of the best channels in the webverse.
As an anthropologist I really appreciate all your very researched and hands on based information.!
Praveen has shown that India has some of the most fascinating work on the planet. Its amazing what that place holds
Agree!
We know that the ancient monuments in india were made by the Hindu gods.
You start with a small hole, that way you can reach into the corner with space, and then you open the hole up with whatever grinding tool they used that has a smaller shaft on the end that doesn't interfere with the straight surface right flush with.
I love how it takes 2 mins for someone to come up with a total viable process but this guy is like NO ITS IMPOSSIBLE THEY DID IT 🤦♀️
@@chrish4439 I’m not sure that’s what the video maker is saying
Makes one wonder if some people had advanced 5-axis machining capabilities, and left before the Younger Dryas cataclysms.
Our civilization didn't even get 6-axis until the Playstation 3
Or just destroyed.
@@erok268 (you’re likely correct)
@@DigtlNativ if there were giants before the Flood, and people who lived for several hundred years, maybe size and lifespan weren't the only human capabilities that were superhuman compared to us. For example, maybe it was normal for them to be able to draw a perfectly straight line as long as they wanted. If they had sharper minds and eyes than us, and steadier hands, then their version of hand-made is something we can only achieve with machine tools.
@@customsongmaker Could that be within the realm of possibility? Perhaps. But you're missing one key point...giants would be more likely to survive a flood than humans because their heads would stay above water for longer. Statistically speaking that means more giants would've survived than short little humans, and giants do not currently populate earth. How do you explain this discrepancy 🤔
I didn’t know any of this stuff and thank you for taking us so close. This is absolutely mind blowing I don’t have any words for what my mind can’t comprehend absolutely mind blowing.