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- Vegito (Also referred to as Vegerot in the Viz English manga) is the fusion of Goku and Vegeta using the Potara Earrings. Vegito is considered the ultimate warrior because he is the result of the union of two life-long rivals. He has the confidence and fighting smarts of Goku, along with the superior attitude and genius strategic mind of Vegeta. Versus Frieza, Frieza Is a Ruler of a galactic empire that conquers and trades planets he is also the catalysts for all of DBZ as he was the one who destroyed Planet vegeta. Who will come out on top. MUI Vegito VS Black Frieza?
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This video has the energy of someone reading a script from an alternate timeline where Seth didn't get canceled and made this video as a Follow Up to the TUI Vegito Video
Seth the UnProgroomer
Less of cancelled more of exposed
Rightfully canceled though one of the only times cancel culture did something good
Yeah, the thumbnail looked like a Seth thumbnail
I support Seth as the content creator I don’t care what he do in personal life
Bro took up the mantle 💀💀
Damn right, and I’m gonna do it better 😈
Bruh if frieza trained for 10 years after losing to Namek goku. He wouldve been literally unstoppable
The cast would be very very fucked.
thats hard to say, frieza did not have a basis to work around since he wouldn't have known about majin buu / vegito who are multi solar. at that time, frieza was at most star level. everyone around him except ss1 goku was weak af. 10 years is a long time though, i dont think he'd be as strong as golden but def stronger than any buu, even super vegito before ssg form goku.
@@aymanriki1018what are these outrageous lowballs
@@aymanriki1018 nah if he trained 10 years he would have gotten golden aswell since hed be inspired by super saiyan, and I doubt black but he would probably be on par with jiren, depending on his dedication and perhaps he would let let buu out to train with him
@@oregonnnnnnnnnnnn can you read? i just said he doesn't have a basis to work to other than seeing goku in ss on namek. there's no proof he knew how strong buu or beerus really was. it goku several years just to be solar system and was barely even galaxy while being vegito.
Regardless of what happens, the final fight against Black Frieza is gonna be HYPE
It will, I hope they deliver.
Pretty sure black freiza isn’t the final boss
There might be another character getting introduced that’s way beyond freiza Goku and vegeta and would be put on par with full power beerus
In this case Goku and vegeta will have to fuse to get ultra vegito
I think Goku and vegeta are gonna train in the time chamber get new forms and beat freiza without fusing
That super hero movie the only thing that got me concerned. Gonna create a lot of confusion when tryna merge into the manga universe.
@@xooks3050 not piccolo being stronger than mui goku now ☠☠wait till jiren finds out he's weak
@@GeneralS1mbaits false tho?💀
I feel like Vegito vs Black Frieza is actually how it might go. Regardless, Black Frieza no doubt trained in anticipation for an Ultra-type fusion
he probably anticipated a blue fusion (like gogeta blue ) he didn't know anything about ue or goku mastering ui
@@stevs4696 true, but he did know about UI in general from the TOP. Theres no reason to suggest he didn't prep for that at least, given he knows how strong they can get
@@GooberGlumbushe’s witness Gogeta but not Vegito
@@TheBeastGamerTH-cam doesn't matter, given that there's arguments for them being relative
@@GooberGlumbus no there’s not they’re only stated to be equal trump cards which means that they are both good plays when the opponent seems unbeatable
I love when people don't underestimate vegito he is my favorite character but I think vegito would win in any modern fight
Personally I don't think Shin is reliable enough to claim Vegito from the Black Goku arc is stronger than Beerus. I mean he completely underestimates the saiyans during the Buu saga and as of yet I don't think Beerus has really shown his full power.
The reason I use that statement is because of a few data books saying the same thing, I just think it’s more likely than not.
@@ToasterXD Well I guess that's fair though Beerus seems to be the goalpost character so he'll probably just get even stronger to keep him as a possible threat or even possible ally.
@@arthurmorgan835 Yeah Beerus did basically say back during the beginning of the Granolah arc that his lack of guilt, which fuels his Ultra Ego, allows him to grow endlessly.
It doesn't make sense in the lore but I think the authors just put it just to tell us how powerful vegito is
shin saying vb is stronger or equal to beerus makes alot more sense because shin has been connected with beerus for millons of years so. shin wouldve most likey saw beerus full power at some point
Btw, Frieza in his Golden form in Resurrection F was stronger than Super Saiyan Blue Goku for a little bit until his stamina ran out just like his full power form in DBZ.
You believe frieza wouldnt have learned his lesson about stamina issues?
Sure hes arrogant but that doesn't mean he would overlook a problem with his full power 3 times in a row.
Back in dbz frieza full power wasn't stronger than ssj goku on namek.
Frieza (100%) : 120.000.000
Goku ssj : 150.000.000
They do look close at 1st despite that difference but it's only an anime thing, in the manga their fight is very short.
@@christopher8295 I might be wrong here but in the original it stated Frieza at 100% has a power level of 200,000,000 but he was heavily nerfed by the spirt bomb.
Think it was changed later because fans didn't like the idea of Frieza was still stronger.
@@empty3306 No namek frieza official max powerlvl is 120.000.000
Namek ssj goku is 150.000.000
@@christopher8295 I'm talking about his official power level before they changed it to 120m
There is a hypothetical Vegito where he combines both ultra instinct and ultra ego together. I would call this form "Ultra Vegito."
Essentially he would be impossible to touch and if you even manage to touch him somehow he would instantly get stronger.
I don’t like this idea tbh. I loved the usage of the abilities and how ui took a calm and collected mind free of thoughts but just instinct. Ego, the opposite. The whole “true” thing rubs me the wrong way since it goes against the principles of both abilities. I don’t want them to be just another meaningless power up that you can just mix with no drawbacks or cost, however that’s where it seems like. I wanted to see the characters develop and adapt with these abilities and use their foundation to further develop their fighting prowess cause it may as well just be another super saiyan. If ui could be mixed or controlled with more mind power but at the cost of something else and there were reasons for going into either form, that’d be cool, but it seems like there’s no reason to use the actual ultra instinct.
Although I can kinda see how a Saiyan’s innate drive for battle would be their “ultra instinct” and find ways around it like that. Instinct is ingrained somewhat through either conditioning or just birth which could manipulate what ultra instinct is for somebody and why the angels thrive with theirs as compared to Goku’s usage of it.
Now that I think about it, it might not be so bad, however I still wouldn’t want them to be relegated to just the new hit power up.
@@thegreatgamingkid8252 I get you. MUI is still stronger than true ultra instinct though, it's just that Goku can manage TUI more effeciently
On sum unrealentgaming type energy haha
Informative as always, thank you~
I honestly don't see why it would be so hard to believe that the fusions difference could be reckoned
There’s just more evidence of the contrary. It also makes more sense narratively speaking for Vegito to be stronger
@@ToasterXD yeah but what the writer says go even if it's bullshit
I agree if Vegito defuses too early cause of how powerful he is or takes too long then yeah Black Frieza for sure. But if they can hold out then Vegito is gonna stomp. Very good informative video as always Toaster 🐐
Thank you so much for doing videos like this stuff. The program are used to do these types of videos, but you know the program ain’t too good anymore based off what he did so now I have someone that I can watch that does these types of videos thank you.
To scale friezas growth, take resurrection f and the 4 months, then multiply that growth by 30x, as 4 months x 30 is 10 years. Although, it could be an even higher growth, as his training was possibly even more intense the RF, so...yeah
10 years of Frieza Training is like the equivalent of like 500 years of Goku and Vegeta training lol. By their own rules Goku and Vegeta should never hope to catch up to Frieza for like 5 lifetimes but you just *know* that won't be the case, thus creating another big plothole/inconsistency before it even starts lmao
They press the zeno button. Use a plothole to destroy a plothole
@@10rednaX sad if that happens
@@webbiefade14 such is the flow of Dragon Ball Super
Maybe, but hearing math can be boring in a scaling video which is why I kind of prefer to find ways to explain it in a way that’s easier to understand
Thnx for the video 👍 , fair and W comparison keep going and i wish u do Broly vs goku next time
I feel like they needed an upgraded version of fusion because the fusion dance and potara has low amount of time if current goku and vegeta were to fuse the fusion wont even last a second
That's what I'm thinking like some kind of potaras for the Angels or something
Just use the Dragon Balls to upgrade the Potara
Pog love ur content😊
W vid love your content
Appreciate it.
I bet Vegetto transforming just by combining both Ultra Instinct & Ego alone will destroy reality before he'd put Black Frieza on the wringers.
probably cant do that, every canon we've seen vegito has used transformations both users have in common. I don think he'd be able to split 50/50 and UI/UE do not work well together because they are basically the opposite of each other.
@@myxy4777 gogeta could do it technically but marketing points you’d only let them if the enemy is a lvl threat that needs it and sadly WHY WOULD THEY EVER LET THAT happen
Canon wise it's impossible that it will happen because UI needs a calm mind while on the other hand ue always thinks about destruction
@@Joshua_Edits probably a switch net each
@@Neuvillete4.6 yep
Your channel is gonna blow tf up
Yooo wsp man W video
Nice vid, Can you do Zeus Vs Odin from the god of war ?
zues blinks odin all day
Eventually
Keep up the work broo
Thanks, will do!
@@ToasterXD lol no way u responded, dream come true
A video on GT Goku’s Power scale would be pretty lit since no one ever talks about it anymore and Super vs GT was never really definitely answered.
I will soon. Just thinking about the stuff I want to talk about
@@ToasterXD a pointer i can give is that it's a misconception that the Sugoroku Space was already being destroyed when Goku atomized it, that was only the Board Game section of it that the Sugoroku rulers were getting rid of. Since they stated that they were gonna trap Goku in the space where he'd be forced to dwell in it 'forever', it makes no sense for the space itself to be destroyed and gives proof that the space itself is infinite. And Goku just atomized that bitch, in base.
GT Goku just doesn't stand a chance against Base Goku from BOG Super.
Super dog walks
there isnt a definite answer. its just a matter of opinion
If 4 Months is enough to go from Star level to Low-Mid Multiversal, imagine doing that again 30x
Bro Frieza is one shotting a fusion of Vegito and Gogeta in any form
Even though he one shotted goku and vegeta at their strongest, fusion is simply stronger. A fusion’s base form is equal to both fighters strongest form. So blue or UE/TUI multi on top of fusion is even more op.
@@Usogui3000 this is actually false. Base Vegito was implied to be stronger than Super Saiyan Blue Goku or Vegeta in his base form looking at Zamasu's reaction to him just appearing.
@@renegade6578 Or just 1 ki blast doing more damage than anything from MSSJB Goku💀
@@renegade6578 There are 2 plausible theories for fusion multipliers.
1. The fusion adds the most powerful levels of both characters and then multiplies it by a couple thousand. (TUI Goku + UE Vegeta) x 5000.
2. It multiplies the power levels of both users so something like 100x100 if both users have a power level of 100.
@@PerSon-xg3zr i like the second one more so it's less complicated to think about fusions with people lacking transformations
Yo toast ngl for the superman and Goku vid ik it was a blitz like to hard to count but like I wanted the most of overkill form cosmic armor superman I am pretty sure he got reality warping so it's a super super super super blitz 😁
Hard to say but Vegito is definitely a huge improvement over Gogeta power wise. Just as a super saiyan, Vegito was able to effortlessly pick apart Super Buu, who at that time was worlds above a SS3 Goku. Buu himself was already above Goku as Super Buu and had Ultimate Gohan, who is way stronger than SS3 Goku and Gotenks and had Goten and Trunks, as well as Piccolo, and he still couldn't touch Vegito, who wasn't close to using his full power.
The fusion dance is still effective. SS Gogeta was able to accomplish what Golden Frieza and Perfected SSB Goku and Vegeta failed to do, which is actually push back against SS Broly and even make him turn LSS in desperation. And that was Gogeta, so the potara earrings will be more effective. Hard to tell exactly where Frieza stands but just him one shotting both Goku and Vegeta was impressive. SS Vegito would probably be stronger than MUI Goku and UE Vegeta, so imagine seeing Vegito at his maximum as MUI, and the fact that he can use both Goku and Vegeta's intelligence and techniques. People forget how effective the earrings are when Vegito wasn't even close to using his maximum and he already was worlds above Goku and Vegeta when they were at their maximum.
They would probably have to make a wish from Shenron to make the potara fusion last longer, since the immense power from Blue was able to make them defuse early, so their time as Vegito will definitely be short as MUI.
Finally, i mean it's literally stated that the potara fusion is a more powerful fusion than the dance, i understand that Gogeta is cooler but that dosent make him a stronger power amp.
gr8 video!
Btw i dont think orange Piccolo can beat evolution Vegeta post Granolah, having trained with Broly.. maybe it's an extreme diff fight at most but Vegeta takes it, he 2 strong
Great video! Please make a UE Vegeta vs Orange Piccolo vid.
Soon!
W vid
Cold asf 🥶🥵
Mainly the reason why Goku and Vegeta arent catching up to Beerus is because they make Beerus a constant moving goalpost. It's safe to assume that he himself is a lot stronger than the previous arcs he was in.
yea its kinda stupid how first vegito blue is beerus level but then its implied jiren is stronger but post moro ssbe vegeta (who should be > Jiren at this point) enraged still gets low diff'd by beerus lmao.
@@aymanriki1018 Vegito Blue was probably 1% beerus level
90% of the fanbase doesn't seem to realize that as they still believe that Goku and Vegeta have already surpassed Beerus.
Beerus lets Goku and Vegeta train with Whis so they can become strong enough to give him a challenge and the fact that there's still more GoD techniques that we still haven't seen that can make him stronger like Toppo's unexplained GoD form.
13:18 Actually, he may not know the existence of Vegito, but he does know that a Potara Fusion should exist because he was 😅, well, in the TOP. That means that he saw Kefla, and well, you can finish the idea from here on. He may not be sure about the exact number of times Vegito is stronger than Gogeta, but I think he could guess?
Very true. However, he might assume that Gogeta isn’t much different seeing as how he doesn’t know how Gogeta was merged. Granted, Gogeta doesn’t have earrings on but it’s definitely something to think about
@ToasterXD but he's still capable of sensing chi, so he could just guess the number of times Kefla stronger is than both Caulifla and Kale.
For the sake of plot they can just ass pull some ''upgraded Potara earrings'' so TUI Vegito doesn't just defuse the moment he spawns in.
13:13 He knows of Kefla, he's been watching Goku use Ultra Instinct so he could have Goku defeat Jiren for him.
The time limit thing is very interesting, honestly I hope there’s some kind of retcon about potaras defusing early. They still lasted 40 whole minutes against Zamasu but still, MUI would realistically only last them like 30
Well mui is a godly technique so maybe it works out for longer
What if they could somehow make more potent potara earrings that are able to withstand that level of power for the right amount of time
@@22thedon90 Yeah, they just need to make up some shit about Shin upgrading the Potara or something
@@good8619Or Bulma 💀
@@good8619 I mean they did it with the time chamber and dragon balls why not one more lol
Since Seth is getting shut down you must carry us toaster
will do
frieza has become what he hates most...
@toastedxd Please do a video on who has more potential between Broly and Frieza
Your Video titles & thumbnails read a lot like Seth the Programmer when put together
I think Frieza letting them live is a big sign that he somewhat respects them. Frieza always knew Beerus existed but was never able to think a power was ever reachable till Goku and Vegeta showed him that training can. Although he dislikes em alot, he realized how truly incredible fighters they are.
10:35 It was said elsewhere that Gohan and Goku would have made them more powerful that if it were Goku and Vegeta.
Maybe it was from a fanmade thing, IDK.
U are our new gen seth the programmer i agree like 80 to 90 percent time with u
5:00 Frieza isn't just leaving Goku and Vegeta alive because they're much weaker than him - he also considers this the ultimate form of disrespect, and it's a disrespect Goku has shown him again and again. Then again, it seems like Frieza actually did learn something from the ToP, and I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't murdering and torturing anymore, and is now controlling his evil nature and ruling and conquering more like Lex Luthor. I wouldn't be surprised if Frieza doesn't even really fight and Goku and Vegeta for a while, not until Frieza has a big plan.
i feel like if frieza knows that kale and caulifla can fuse with the potaras from the T.O.P then he might have some kind of idea of vegito’s existence plus seeing Gogeta too tho its a different fusion, the concept is still there maybe? lol
Good point. but if the rival boost is a thing, then he might not be expecting how strong a potara fusion between Goku and Vegeta would be.
@@ToasterXD trueee, he might think its the same as Gogeta and completely misses that part of the fusion and underestimates Vegito lol
This battle also makes sense plot wise, as Frieza doesnt know about Vegito, and wouldnt know about him being above Gogeta.
Also, the most consistent boost for a Potara Fusion, from what we've seen so far, is that the Fusion in its Base will alredy be much more Powerful than either of the Fusion participants at their max power. We've seen this both times when Vegito apeared.
Base Vegito in the Buu Saga was > SS3 Goku, by a wide margin. And Base Vegito in the Zamasu Arc, blasted off half of Fused Zamasu's body, instantly. Zamasu thought Base Vegito was some new form that Goku/Vegeta used. If Zamsu wasnt immortal, hed just die right there, to ONLY BASE VEGITO.
Facts
the weird thing about orange piccolo and beast gohan is do we have any intel about their power except piccolo saying oh yeah the gamas are at their level because in the movie nothing happened in terms of multiversal raw power or whatever you want to call it
I heard that toriyama himself or something said that cell max vs gohan was the strongest fight we have seen yet and by the fact that goten and trunks seem like they are finally like 15 or 16 or something I assume the movie takes place around granola and gas or even after it
The time limit could he argued is because he fired a full power kamehameha without preserving his power but I know heroes is not canon but they could extend the time like they did for vegetto vs fu and broly for the sake of making potara more effective
freeza seen potara fusion in ToP where kefla happened so he would keep a potara fusion between goku and vegeta in mind while training
Imagine if Vegito can use TUI and UE like Goku and vegeta Using Red and Blue fast change. Using TUI for attacking, using UE when defending/about to get hit by an attack that TUI cant dodge.
If he can't dodge in UI, that means even with UI he can't react. How would he then have the reaction speed to transform into a different form lol
@@77dd2 thats not what i mean tho. Using TUI for purely attacking, and then using reation time of TUI to fast change into UE when about to get hit. Doesnt mean he cannot dodge with TUI LOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.
I propose an idea of a versus between two teams. Z fighters against the justice league. The Post crisis or Rebirth version of the league and an updated version of the Z fighters.
JL; SUPERMAN, DR. FATE, WALLY WEST, CAPTAIN ATOM, WONDER WOMAN, MARTIAN MANHUNTER, SHAZAM, GREEN LANTERN.
Z Fighters: Gohan, Piccolo, Goku, Vegeta, Broly, Frieza, Future Trunks and Gothenks. All in their current version of the manga.
what artist made that ui vegito pic in the thumbnail?
Is there a free link or towards the broly movie comic
I believe people say Vegito and Gogeta are equal in power because the way Gogeta explained it in the movie was the same way the Potara fusion was stated to work, by merging the power level of the two and then multiplying it.
Gogeta is fully aware of Vegito and still calls himself the Ultimate Fusion
@@MegaMachiOnline And Whis calls Beerus "The strongest in the Universe"
Im team vegito but Frieza training for 10 years after getting to blue level in 4 months of training after getting revived is CRAZY
Oi! toaster can you make one video on goku tui vs luffy gear 5 manga i've been hearing lot of people saying luffy beats goku.
Luffy is getting stomped 0 difficulty
@@ToasterXD Toaster can you make a video on ultra vegito from call me arj vs doom slayer
@@ToasterXD ik but my luffy fanboy friend wouldn't listen cause luffy got a new form thats why
@@prithvirajsinghdeora2614No offense bro but your friend may be braindead if he compares Luffy to Goku
I think Freezer always had more potential then Goku and Vegeta. It took Goku transforming from something of a prophecy. Into a Super Saiyan one that is said to be pure of heart. To beat Freezer. It was a miracle. Then later on in the show Super Saiyan became a joke as toddlers were tuning into super saiyan's. Gohan on the other hand he could be on par with freezer's potential.
But as it's written they keep putting glasses on Gohan to make him out to be a nerd that never trains. Common theme Gohan gets his potential unlocked then gets fired one way or another.
I think Vegito would have a hard time with black Freezer. Ten years of training is insane for Freezer. Considering Freezer was considered the strongest in the universe without doing one single day worth of training.
Frieza is really trying to live up to the Emperor of the universe title
everyone talks about goku/vegeta, but i want to see a gohan/brolly fusion
The two characters with the greatest potential in the series facing off against each other would just rip the universe apart or even all of creation just look at what the battle between a supressed beerus vs ssj god did to reality as they clashed
i would love to see friezer vs Vegito in granola arc and vegita do the kaioken *4 :)
would beat even the grand priest
i really hope this is the final fight they have with him
maybe they could upgrade potaras like they did with the dragonballs, i know its unheard of but so was the dragonball upgrades before they happened
my theory: the fight will break the balance of the multiverse causing the seal on the previously erased universe already weakened by the super dragon balls wish causing both having to team up to restore the balance then they will both have there final battle(of course not the final one but ykwim)
I hate that they retconned potara to have a timer, especially since they could easily have fat buu defuse them with no drawbacks
I agree with most of your takes. Although your Xeno Goku was wank I enjoyed it. Keep up the good work. 🙂
How was it wank?
@@stormblade7959 he isn't high outer
@@rickynguyen3674 Uh why not? I don't see any issues with his scale. Clear context is provided. Though I'd say he's outer and not high outer.
@@stormblade7959 um no. There is clearly no concept of infinite higher dimensions within DBH. He also wank scans not to mentions he said GFG is boundless. GFG never actually fused with anyone as fiction and real people can't interact with each other.
@@stormblade7959 Jump Force goku isn't boundless either and no cosmology within shonen surpasses complex-multiversal.
It would have been better if Vegito has UE and Gogeta had UI
Realistically, both fusions should have both transformations with preference
@@ToasterXD can you make Why Gojo Vs Po isn't close ? Some MF in my Gojo Vs Kung-Fu Panda part 2 said that po has immeasurable speed and can bypass Gojo's Infinity
@@VergilEdits don’t feed him then bruh💀
I mean……. There’s kefla so frieza knows about potara fusion. So he probably figured out the boost of caulifla and kales fusion versus goku and vegetas gogeta fusion. He would put 2 and 2 together and figure out that the 2 are different fusions with different boosts in power.
3:05 majin buu almost destoryed heaven this aint the coldest thing
14:29 multiple statements have already confirmed orange piccolo even without giant is above both current goku and vegeta, and that beast gohan is even further above that
Huge facts on the comparison of Gogeta and Vegito. Everyone always thinks "Well Vegito is many arcs behind Gogeta so Gogeta should be stronger" when in reality that same Vegito from arcs ago is still stronger than current TUI Goku and UE Vegeta, and likely still stronger than a current Gogeta tbh. A fight between them wouldn't even be close, it'd be so one-sided.
Guys remember a day in hyperbolic time chamber is a year so if frieza spent 10 years there that means he spent 3650 years training
no. he spent 10 years inside the chamber not outside 😂
@@ToasterXD No I converted the time to outside
@@ToasterXD 10 years in time chamber converted to outside
No, 10 years in the chamber the time outside the chamber wasn’t 10 years
@@ToasterXD Ik Im saying 10 years in the time chamber is equal 3650 years outside :/
Honestly they do need to update the fusion potential cuz the time is such a big downgrade specially with Vegitto only lasting 15min at blue, and with Gogeta we really don’t know how long he can fight with blue since in the Broly movie is never mention so I still think is 30min having an upper hand of the Fusions. Unless I’m missing something and they did mentioned it.
I would like to see Vegito actually get pushed in a main-line cannon dragon ball story, like how sick would it be to watch a bloody, fight till the very end battle whereby they finally put frieza to his end for good
he is approaching manga beerus level tbh he one shotted both of them in their newest forms after all
The two fusions have been stated to be equal many times...
Where? It’s been stated in data books and by old supreme kai that potara is stronger. And potara is stronger by default since fusion dance adds both persons power together , potara multiplies the power together. Plus with fusion dance both people gotta be equal in power, so whoever is stronger has to lower their power level to match and fuse. Potara wins
I really wished Vegito was a permanent character
That’s what makes him special
Let the Gogetards hear it
super saiyan to super saiyan blue in 4 months is insane so 10 years honestly i dont think ultra instinct vegito would do anything to him. They gonna need a mastered true ultra instinct ego brogitoeerus
That goku black arc Statement for vegitto is already outdated
Frieza trained for ten years
isn’t it also stated by supreme kai that the potara fusion is stronger than the fusion dance??
It doesn’t even need that, the fusion themselves tells how strong they are, potara multiplies and fusion dance adds, which makes potara stronger
@@nocapp_if potara was trying a x b then buu saga vegito would one shot beerus tbh that’s unfathomable. And the dance isn’t just addition but multiplication dozens of times
I thought this was a SethTheProgrammer video in my recommended but I’m glad it wasn’t the guy who can’t speed blitz his allegations. Talking about Seth btw
I think they keep making beerus stronger as in they keep moving the goal post. Beerus could’ve did off screen training after the top.
Shin is not sure, i wouldn’t trust his statements, he didnt even know who beerus was and he has never seen his full power.
he’s always been wrong in many occasions, and no mortal has ever reached or surpassed beerus’s level for now
There are multiple guide books that state he has the power to rival Beerus. As well as a Xenoverse guide, but it’s debatable on whether you’d like to use it. But yes, he rivals beerus
@@ToasterXD xenoverse is a game, therefore its guidebooks are irrelevant, and the other guide you’re talking about is just quoting what the manga said, mainly for promotional material, and dont act like guidebooks havent been wrong before/hyperbolic statements(also guidebooks arent credible enough to consider them), we need to look at feats or very credible statements, even goku’s statement about broly being on beerus’s level is more credible than shin’s even tho broly is nowhere close, and beerus is still stronger than any mortal in the universe considering the whishes gas and granolah have made, and you’re also using very old guides about potara being AxB multiplier even tho it was retconned in super,
Vados stated that potara is (A+B) x tenth of times, same thing was stated by gogeta, they are on par with each other maybe vegito is slightly stronger.
Moro arc mui goku is arguiably on the level if not higher than blue gogeta let alone current mui/tui goku who would godstomp future arc vegito/broly movie gogeta.
Beerus will always be a moving goal that will never be reached until toriyama/toyotarou decides that he will be surpassed and he will show it.
Imagine:
Ultra Vegito vs Ultra Gogeta
Black Frieza vs Beerus
TUI Goku vs UE Vegeta
Toaster bro watch God killer vegito
cookin
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Vegito isn't winning this, no way in hell.
The only way I can see him even be a challenge for Frieza is if Frieza's training has had significant deminishing returns after he went from Namek Saga level to Blue level...if he got the same benefit as he did with his first training session only over the span of 10 YEARS then I don't even think Whis could beat him...hell he might be a threat for the grand priest himself.
True I think diminishing returns is likely
i dont think training from 4 months to other 4 months for 10 years would result the same , like he could reach black form in 5 years and just push to 10 years just so he can get used to his final form, i think he even stated that he made sure that this time he is not going to have issues with his new form, but also if goku and vegeta would fuse now gogeta would be much more stronger than he was against broly
Took frizea months to catch up to goku and vegeta after they trained for 4 years with whis. So maybe he is.
Seth 2 just dropped 😭😘🥵😩♥️
Now Frieza did some crazy things, but in my opinion, nothing in dragon ball has topped kid buu going to kill people, WHO WERE ALREADY DEAD
Idk know man if goku and vegeta couldn’t in their most powerful form and one shorted them idk if a fusion could even contend with him I think he is a destroyer level
I think Vegeta is gonna get mad at Goku and whis for reviving Frieza. Starts a fight with them then runs off to fight Frieza and train alone out of rage. Eventually Frieza will show up again and Vegeta will fight him alone and while he's putting up an awesome fight where he beats up Frieza a fuck ton but frieza overpowers him. Then Goku will show up and offer to fuse with Vegeta. They will fuse and beat up Frieza without holding back.
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I always find it funny how when anyone else outside of Goku and Vegeta get a new form all it gives is speed and Power
There was nothing special about Orange or Beast other than them being straight upgrades to previous forms, Black Frieza is literally just a massive statstick of a transformation
Also doesn’t help that Toriyama won’t just give Frieza a new design, all we get are different color pallet Frieza’s
Idk what you're expecting for friezas desing as he's in his final form, and his powerups are litterally the same thing as goku going ssj
@@lordgogeta2123 he’s not in his final form, he’s in his original form, if anything he’s basically just in his base form
There’s nothing stating that he can’t possibly find a new form
@@dokutah7374 Maybe a form like cooler has, it's like his true final form. Maybe a golden or black cooler but with another design that would fit freiza instead of just straight copy and paste, although it would make cooler quite pointless so idk
I don't think we need to go into any power scaling for a fight between Vegeta and Piccolo, for the sole reason that Vegeta has spirit fission.
Why would Vegito only use Instinct and not combine it with Ego?
Imagine a fighter who attacks and dodges reflexively, and his power level spikes on the off chance that he gets hit and takes damage!