What I think is that gogeta and vegito have the same multiple and the rival boost is a bonus that can stack with super saiyan to ssb but the time limit goes down so vegito is stronger and gogeta has stronger durability
@@TRBAK-47YM_TD clearly u didnt watch an read the scans in the video🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂THE POTAROS ARE A GREATER MULTIPLIER!!! the multiplier is no where near equal.
@@ssjbluevegeta7020Anyways the time limitation is so bad, dance fusion was supposed to be the limited time one, but at that point its worth it because it doesn't have the bs of unfusion if spent x ammount of power
I prefer the fusions BEFORE the retcon. The way the fusions worked seemed fine to me: Potara was a stronger fusion but was permanent which meant that using them was a huge gamble and the fusion dance was weaker and had a time limit but could be used more loosely granted that you performed the dance correctly. But now that BOTH Of THEM have a timer then what's the damn point? Like who cares that Potara is stronger? It's harder to pull off since now you need the consistent help of the Kais to provide a set of earrings in order to use that fusion method, meanwhile the fusion dance can be performed at literally any point and doesn't require the need of outside help constantly supplying you with magical god earrings. Not to mention how easy the Potaras are to destroy which limits their usage even more.
Another weakness both fusions would have is the dance you can not transform into more powerful states as it will burn through you're time limit gotenks had 10 mins in ssj3 gogeta had 5 to 1 min in ssj4 (unless you have perfect ki control as gogeta would have split the moment he went blue) while the earrings you have to avoid using to much power as both kelfa and vegtio burn through their time because the power output
talking about the earring being easy to break, remember how in the dbs anime, fighters from universe 2 failed to do a potara fusion because someone shot a blast at their direction and the shock wave accidentally broke the earring, at least with the dance, you can just keep trying to do it even if someone stops you once
Except it was never permanent or retconed elder Kai didn’t know that the potara has a time limit for mortals all super did was give the explanation on why they defuse that time that’s it
Another point for vegito is during the buuhan fights,he notes that even if goku and vegeta do fusion,it won’t be enough to beat him,along with MANY scenes just saying potara fusion is stronger
Bro the amount of scenes that say Potara is stronger do not compare at all to the amount of guidebook statements. I kid you not when I say there is at least 15-20.
@@tudeslildudeyou literally have only the elder Kai, an old man who probably forget everything saying this. Guidebooks explain since it's not a character saying this
@@tudeslildude yea well you just picked a side when me and the other guy don't disagree I literally only said there is more evidence in the guidebooks that Potara is the better fusion.
This didn’t even win the poll. Then I went back to see if it won and both polls was deleted 😂 you were already cooking up this video and had us feeling like we were part of the upload schedule 😮
The rival boost definitely applies to Vegito and Gogeta because its the same two people and the explanation old kai gives about the rival boost pertains to Goku/Vegeta, not the potara itself
@@SuperBlueGamer9000 yeah and he was specifically talking about the fact that potara wasn't supposed to have a time limit and you dont have to have the same power level....
Fusion also has a shorter time limit with higher energy use, Gotenks defused early and it was said it was because of ssj3 (I think the time was cut in half).
Hey six, you mention that fusion doesnt have a time limit so far as we know, but we actually do get told by trunks that gotenks defused because of ssj3’s power consumption
@@sixfromtokyo yeah it’s during their training in the ROSAT. Chapter 295. It happens offscreen, goten days “I never knew there was a level beyond super saiyan” followed by “I feel like it used up all my energy”. Trunks then says “I guess it’s weakness is time. We could only do it for 5 minutes. It even cancelled our fusion” I agree with your interpretation of the percentile limits for both fusions. Vegito didnt defuse against Buuhan because he wasnt trying, much like how Gogeta was just finessing Broly, whereas in cases where they’re expending a lot of energy relative to base (Vegito Blue trying to kill an immortal, or Gogeta using SSJ4 against omega shenron in GT) they both have been shown to defuse early, which is consistent with the Gotenks scan.
Bro he said that Gogeta would be able to go full power in a fight without defusing at all, even with a time limit. Gotenks only defused because of how cocky he was and basically wasn't conscious of what he was doin
I always interpreted them as relative equals power-wise, but Potara is a way easier and stable method. We've seen what happens when the Dance isn't *pixel-perfect*. You lose an entire hour of possibly saving the universe.
I think based on the content we get Potara is clearly the better fusion - *however* - I think its way more interesting to make the dance stronger and less stable but the Potara is weaker and more stable
Well I mean, Buu Saga Gotenks & GT Gogeta established the precedent of transformations lowering the time limit. I think a hypothetical same Saga Gogeta & Vegito can like cancel each other's ult, but Gogeta defuses almost immediately
I mean one of those is children (who already have garbage ki control) using an unstable form and the other is just non cannon. God ki also works differently to regular ki and what we got in the Broly movie pretty much disproved the idea that Gogeta would insta defuse like Vegito
In my opinion: Vegito > Gogeta The reason behind vegito gets unfused vs zamasu is because ssj blue wasn't perfect and wasted too much energy, as we can see in the manga several times in different arcs, and gogeta's presentation goes after tournament of power, where ssj blue was already perfected, meaning they don't have an energy waste. If we had an actual Vegito and an actual Gogeta, Vegito would last an hour as it should, and also having more power for being a divine technique.
To be fair if you wanna scale Gogeta over Vegito (DBZ), you can bring up the fact Goku transforming shook the entire afterlife which is multiple universal sized dimensions, and Janemba being so powerful that it breaks the laws of life and death, because in the movie there’s scenes where the villains from hell die and are immediately brought back to life because Janemba has control over the concept, and that’s just a weaker form of Janemba so Super Janemba and Gogeta scale above Buuhan and Vegito based on feats of weaker versions of themselves, this also makes sense as to how Gogeta has a “Big Bang” of Ki because he’s powerful enough with just transforming to give off that level of energy.
Well, most of the statements about potara weren't really that clear:Kaioshin just said that the effect is greater than fusion but a few pages later, he just says that separating is just one of the weaknesses that potara fusion don't have, so it could refer to that, the only confirmations come from daizenshuu 7 and chouzenshuu 4(which copies daizenshu 7's), before that, the statement was just "the effect is greater than fusion"
Is the “rival boost” an actual power boost though? I always took it to mean Goku and Vegeta compliment each other due to the rivalry more than if they chose to fuse with anyone else, not that the fusion multiplier gets an additional power boost.
I think that’s just what the boost is. Goku and vegeta are a better fusion than goku and gohan although gohan should be stronger than vegeta, implying some sortve additional boost in power because they’re rivals
@@Zeldic364 Yeah pretty much. My interpretation of it is that while still separate beings, the very essence of what a rival is happens to be that they are always motivating each other to improve. Goku always trains to outdo Vegeta and Vegeta always trains to outdo Goku. Therefore, when they fuse this drive to outdo each other is represented in the fusion by bumping up the power of the fusion proportional to the strength of their rivalry. It's basically sorta like a potential unlock.
Its simple .. Vegeta and Goku are Perfect Opposites. In mind and character. They know each other, they fight each other..They counter the other part again and again. If you mix that up you get fighter you counter his own weaknesses in fightingstyle, Mind and character.. bringing the best of them Both together in 1 Completly new beeing. Thats the Rival boost. The perfect Ying - Yang. More Balance = Better Fusion.
What made Vegito amazing in the Buu arc was that he didn’t have to go all out. Ssj was all he needed. If Buuhan was any real trouble to him, he could’ve gone up to ss3 and finished him for good, but that wasn’t really his goal. If Gogeta was the last option, I believe he’d have not much trouble either. When we look at Vegito in the Goku Black arc, he used Blue which was his strongest form. His final attack was meant to obliterate Zamasu completely. I think that he could’ve destroyed zamasu’s body, but he’d need to use 100% and then some to insure that regeneration would be impossible. Since he used up a lot of energy, he exhausted himself without realizing it. Blue isn’t as demanding as ss3, but if a saiyan fights for a long time or uses a full power attack, they’re not going to be as effective as they were when they started fighting. I know he’s not all that relevant, but Gotenks’s final fight with Super Buu showed that when a fusion fights at 100 percent, it can expire quickly. Gogeta is just as effective as Vegito, but he seems to use his time and energy more wisely. I mean we’ve only gotten one canon appearance, but I don’t think his victory over Broly makes him better. Gogeta and Vegito are equals for now. Until they both face an opponent worthy of their absolute best, there’s no point in debating.
I rate Gogeta more, and even though I would like to believe that line that they are basically equal... logically, Vegito will have a slight advantage. With Potara, you just clip them on. With the Dance, you gotta match each other's max power. So if Goku is stronger than Vegeta or vice versa, that difference would play a huge factor. I love Gogeta, but if it's an all in, full power match: Vegito barely takes that W. Great video btw
@Ryandbz2000 appreciate it 🙏 I know Toriyama said they were equal in everything, but logically, that wouldn't make sense. I've always liked Gogeta over Vegito during Z, even though he was incredibly serious and was there for a moment. Did NOT like him in GT. And loved him in DBS. But like I said, if they were to go all out; Vegito would barely have that edge.
@@taecampus Funny thing is Gt Gogeta was actually Vegito in disguise Akira had a bad habit of forgetting characters and he got both fusions personalities confused. What lots of people don't understand about Vegito is he actually has a very serious side of him just like Gogeta when needed.
@Ryandbz2000 dude I used to say that all the time. GT Gogeta is basically the Super Vegito (as redundant as that sounds 🤣🤣) personality wise.... but just a bit more childlike. I was never a fan because it was no reason to goof around and toys with Omega Shenron at that point.
Personally I like both fusions and would say throughout the series they are relatively equal, whenever we see Gogeta he always delivers and gets the job done but we have seen more of what vegito can do therefore he could be scaled easier than Gogeta but I still like to think the are atleast around equal, although I do like the kinda head canon that Gogeta can expend all his power without worrying about a time limits while vegito has to be more careful and it kinda makes sense too cuz vegito’s fusion is magic and with too much power that magic or spell can be broken while Gogeta’s fusion is simply a technique some random amount of power won’t just break it cuz it’s not how it works, overall both fusions are cool but I wish Gogeta could get more time to shine so maybe we could really see who wins but I won’t care fo it that much tbh
Simple, to have 2 fusions and both offer something unique and be relevant. Vegito: Stronger but more complex to get because of many variables Gogeta: less stronger but easier to summon
Gogeta is not easier to summon It literally took Goku and Vegeta 3 tries before Gogeta was born (pause) while Vegito, they simply just have to wear a potara earring on their ears, one on the right and one on the left and then theyre fused
@@ssrSuguruSatoru "It literally took Goku and Vegeta 3 tries before Gogeta was born" Yes but all they had to do is dance while to fuse into Vegito they have to go find a set of potara.
Vegito is stonger than Gogeta and Broly is not stronger than Jiren LMAO you going off of them hyping each battle up saying "the stongest enemy they have faced" Potara earrings>Fusion its been like this since 1989 vegito rivals beerus...
in my opinion rival boost is having two people who’s base power is so close it rivals the other providing a boost. since the stronger one has to match the weaker one with the fusion dance it doesn’t make much sense
@@Memor1_igoku and vegeta are always shown as rivals meaning there close it is very rare where one ends up drastically stronger base to base than tje other so i definitely think that interpretation can work
Damn, this was actually informative. I agree 100% with the conclusion. Scaling wise Gogeta is superior but if they were to swap places then Vegito is superior. Good shxt
So if Broly is stronger than Jiren after awakening beyond his initial full power. And Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta was stronger him? Does make the fusion stronger than Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku?
Ppl will cry an fight bc gogeta been in a movie an had only 1 cannon fight of a character he didn't kill mind u but shit on potara bc his plan worked against buu an for zamazu got rettcon soo
I like how most Vegito meat riders are scared to mention how Vegito has insane power limits so if he fights Gogeta then he would defuse. Gogeta in super has no power restrictions
Like how gogeta meat riders forget goku and vegeta hadn't mastered ssb during the black arc and that gogeta was holding back for the majority of the fight with broly
@@forreal7763 That was most likely an offguard Gohan trying to protect Vegeta and Gohan wasn't in his right mind despite all of this a "Half Power" Gohan was able to still beat Cell in his Super Perfect at his max from what we know in such a way that he destroyed every single CELL of him so he couldn't regen back if Gohan truly was only at Half power than if he can get 2X Stronger he can do this 2X Easier.
@@forreal7763 He broke Gohan's arm when Gohan was underestimating his power and Gohan was holding back in the beam struggle according the Goku and had lost half his power. Once Gohan goes all out he finishes Cell off for good.
@forreal7763 As soon as Gohan ascended, even after Cell's rebirth, Gohan was leagues stronger than Cell. It was Gohan's doubts that made him think he wasn't as strong as he was. It took Cell pushing Gohan to his perceived limit and took Goku pushing Gohan past what he thought his limits were. Gohan was in his head because he had just lost his father, but he was never weaker than Cell in SSJ2
love the video. tbh it feels a little weird to me now that I’m older that a god fusion technique would make mortals stronger then a fusion technique meant for them.
Think of it like this. The fusion technique for mortals was made by mortals but the fusion technique for gods was made by the gods. Makes sense that way.
@@sixfromtokyoyou know what ? it does make sense actually cause all of the saiyan’s god forms are stronger then there mortal transformations anyway. I was just coping a bit I really love gogeta lol.
I have a few issues with this video. One of the biggest being your statement that Metamoran fusion doesn't seem to have its limit drained if you expend to much power. That is incorrect. We've seen multiple cases of this being true, with SSJ3 Gotenks and SSJ4 Gogeta. Vegito defused quickly due to using the Final Kamehameha, a technique that is basically just a final flash mixed with a Kamehameha. One aspect of the Final Flash is that it's Vegeta's finishing move, one where he puts all of his energy into it. Vegito does the same with his Final Kamehameha (but due to hax, Zamasu doesn't die to it). Not a lot of people take that into account when comparing the two. Blue doesn't drastically drain Vegito's power, his Final Kamehameha does. The fight with broly probably wasn't any more than a few minutes long. We've had multiple examples of the perception of time being skewed for our viewing, such as the infamous namek blowing up in 5 minutes, and the fact that the tournament of power was only 48 in-universe minutes and yet spanned 30 22-minute long episodes. Even if I'm wrong here about the Broly movie, my other point still stands. I love both fusions but Gogeta's gotta have permanent post-nut clarity with how much people ride his dick.
I always peeped it as the Fusion Dance being more unique and 'powerful' in the sense that the two fusing Had to be of equal power, etc, therefore the merger being more complete.. Whereas the Potara Fusion can be done by anyone, also making the merger weaker if the other one wearing the ring doesn't stand up to the other. Old Kai said the reason Vegeto was so powerful was because Goku & Vegeta were Saiyans, near equal strength and rivals. And, Yes, I'm a Gogeta fan 😅 A Goku with the no-nonsense of Vegeta is terrifying, ala Super Broly.. Once he turned Blue, Broly didn't lay a hand on him.. Broly would've Decimated Merged Zamasu.
Asking who's stronger is stupid from a realistic standpoint since there cannot be two pairs of Goku and Vegeta existing in the same timeline (unless it's SDBH, not counting that one) Only one between Gogeta and Vegito can exist at any given point, so they'll never meet in the first place The purpose of the two fusions' existence is that of an ultimate trump card that Goku and Vegeta can use on rare occasions to overcome enemies that they can't hope to by themselves In this regard, both Vegito and Gogeta do a fantastic job of eradicating strong foes Who cares which one is stronger between the two, both have their own pros and cons Vegito is a result of Goku's power being multiplied with Vegeta's power (in other words, Goku x Vegeta), and as such he is superior to his Metamoran counterpart from a pure battle-power perspective; but the Potara earrings themselves aren't gonna be available in Goku and Vegeta's pockets like Senzu beans 24/7, and they're also easy to break with just a single Ki blast (we also saw how Gohan failed to catch them and ultimately got devoured by Buu because of that blunder); Vegito's time also gets shorter the stronger the form he uses is Gogeta is a result of Goku's power and Vegeta's power being added together and an unknown great number multiplying the resulting power on top of that (in other words, unknown great multiplier x (Goku + Vegeta)), so his con is that his power isn't as great as Vegito's; on the other hand, his time doesn't seem to get shorter even if he uses a crazy transformation like SSB, unlike Vegito Both have their strengths and weaknesses, but both still do their jobs amazingly - which is putting down enemies when Goku and Vegeta can't by themselves
There are no Multiplier for fusion. And even if there were. Vados said Potara is A+B x Tens of times. What is a Vage statement. Gogeta has the only statement that he is Stronger. But that is still debateble..because Toriyama said, they are both the same.
Gotenks uses ss3. Gotenks claims they defuse after 5 minutes. Its clear both fusions defuse once using too much ki. Gogeta never defused vs broly or janemba because he never had to really try he was finessing broly and one shot janemba.
The reality is that it’s the plot that dictates everything. If we switched the opponents and fusions around the outcomes would be exactly the same. Both fusions have defused prematurely before.
SSJ4 Gogeta lasted less than 10 minutes so yeah it’s definitely the case. The reality is that the plot is what dictates how long a fusion last instead of actually following the facts that have been stated.
The reason I take the most recent statement of them being equal as the most accurate is because it's the only statement made referring to the canon Gogeta. The other guides are all talking about the movies or GT, that statement is about the canon show tho.
We do need to take into consideration that the Gogeta and Vegito are at different arcs in the story. Gogeta is going to be considerably stronger just off the power boost they both received (MUI AND Evolved blue)
I think itd be cool to see you break down Demon King Piccolo vs Boruto characters like Jigen or Naruto. Probably the most interesting DB vs Naruto fights we could talk about that have more relative scaling than what people typically like to ask for (Like UI Goku vs Madara or sum like that)
power wise they are complete equals the difference comes to their time limit because if they dont use much energy vegito last longer if they use a ton of energy gogeta last longer since the potaras get damaged with excessive amounts of energy being drawn out
Funny, how the Potara fusion is just Vegeta's outfit over Goku's, but the fusion dance actually makes them look a bit more godly. Gogeta looks stronger and looks like he had no limits to his power. Vegito always lost his edge in every fight and beat as many people as Vegeta has. While Gogeta has won his only canon fight he's been in.
I have a counter point which got retconned away real quick: I don't remember which translation it was, but back when GT was released (and not yet obliterated into being not canon), the zenkai boost was still acknowledged. You all remember that yes? Well, SSJ4 (those glorious ape men) were stated to be "peak Saiyan potential" at that time... Well, due to the nature of having a zenkai boost, OG ssj4 gogeta technically held infinite power ; you can't peak if you can always get stronger, even if it meant almost dying to do it. That said, I dunno how it works out, but there's two sides to this now: either the zenkai boost is constantly activating due to the supposed "peak" nature of ssj4, or every time gogeta gets unfused (which is technically his "death"), he'll get even stronger upon refusing. Of course, I could simply be wrong, but these technicalities do exist. I don't know if SSGSS has the same attribute, so I won't claim anything absolute in this case, but it's certainly something to think about (at least pre-modern DB)
Unrelated but let's say hypothetically madara ate a sukuna finger and sukuna took control. We'll just say madara is faster and overall stronger than sukuna himself is. Would sukunas own base stats and the power of his curse technique become stronger? What would be the limits of what he could do in madaras body? Or just would sukunas techniques actually get stronger due to being in a body stronger than his own?
I liked this video. Anyways I do want some thoughts on this since the video brought it up. So Jiren is considered an Enemy. I do want to ask, do you all consider Jiren an enemy? I ask this since yes, the title of the episode does call him “The Ultimate Enemy”, but that was during the ToP. Would you all consider Jiren an enemy by the end of it, where he has changed and sees how Goku sees friends and that kind of power. Also going off of the scans that say Broly is the strongest enemy, I do like how for Superhero, a guide calls him the strongest man, since at that point, Broly isn’t an enemy. He’s only considered an enemy during the Broly movie, so he’s called an enemy.
@@sixfromtokyo Had to make sure. Since Goku and Vegeta have gotten exponentially stronger, I really wonder if their base form was enough to stop Buuhan since in the manga, he went straight to super saiyan.
Thank you for clarifying this for the fans. Tho debate was never this out of control back in the day. It was always known that vegito was the stronger fusion and the fan favorite. But ever since the broly movie came out, a lot of the casual fans switched up and started being toxic. It doesn’t help that super helped nerf vegito on top of that.
Vegito against Zamasu was giving his all, and Gogeta was never in a position of weakness, tiredness, or any other sign that it was possible to defeat him. I don't know how much the canon about Gogeta's time and metamorus fusions may have changed, but regardless, Gogeta always uses his time with a guarantee of victory. The most threatening thing about Gogeta has also always been his techniques, which Vegito has no access to, and is unaware of, probably being magical, and coming from the Metamorus, as well as his clothes, with the Soul Punisher as the greatest example, and Gotenks having the kamikase ghosts , with perhaps Gogeta being able to use the same technique if he wanted
@@pensandoemalgo.5722 I don’t know what you were trying to say with that comment, but vegito always faces the more complex enemies, plus he doesn’t just appear in movies where he’s destined to be the final plot like for said movie due to run time
Six, I got a question, when goku and vegeta do the fusion dance and goku has to lower his power level, where does that power go after they fuse? Does it just disappear or what? I was always under the impression that fusion dance requires the power levels to be equal for it to happen and that process has nothing to do with the power output of the fusion like how it has to be perfect like the the fingers being perfectly aligned and the dance being perfectly synchronised, I feel like the power levels being the same is just a process of the fusion to form and not that the fusion suddenly has less power because one of the fusees lowered they power like where do that power go? I wanna know your take on this .
@@fireysalt yeah I get that but what I’m ask is where does that power that has been reduced go, like in the case of gotenks and also if goku and vegeta are equal in base then doesn’t that just mean that gogeta and vegito are equal in power
Haven’t the video yet but my understanding of Vegito vs Gogeta was always that Vegito was stronger pre Super. But now post Super Vegito still is the stronger fusion but doesn’t have a reliable timer for said fusion. Whereas Gogita is slightly weaker, the timer is always going to be 30mins so it ends up being the better fusion overall because it’s more reliable with the timer. We’ll see how the video matches with that.
I wonder about the 30 Minutes because both used Blue but I don't think we ever really get an idea of how long Gogeta was fused because Dragonball fights are so damn high speed That still reminds me of that one time Bulma said something it's like who can she see at that level
Metamoran fusion still abides by the rules presented before, where excessive power use still cuts the fusion timer down significantly. Gotenks wasn't able to sustain ssj3 for even 10 minutes. It seems that no matter the method of fusion, the time your allowed to stay fused is dependant on energy output.
I believe the metamoran fusion multiplier might scale based off of the 2 individuals characteristics, which is why Gogeta is this unstoppable force of nature but Gotenks is MUCH less of a boost. But while this may put the multiplier above normal potara, there is still the rival boost which should put Vegito above Gogeta in raw power. Even if you don’t agree Vegito has much better skill feats, with words alone he can directly target your morale and lower your Ki output, he basically made Buu 10x stronger just to force him to realize he needed to absorb him, and of course in the manga, intimidated Zamasu so much his immortality regeneration actually slowed down in their slow conflict. Also Vegito is stated to be the perfect warrior and has a longer time limit. Vegito should be stronger and even if you disagree Vegito is arguably more skilled and has a longer time limit so whichever way you slice it, Vegito solos.
The real determining factor is which aspect of goku and vegeta's hidden power and unbounded potential comes through when needed. Goku and vegeta have tapped into dormant energies and evolved in strength several times.
Most of the guidebook statements don't suggest Vegito is stronger, it could simply refer to it's efficiency, and all of them except for the 2019 statement are from V jump staff, not Toriyama.
My personal view is that gogeta is more temepred and focused whereas vegito tends to play with his food. This difference kinda makes it so that gogeta actually is usually the smarter choice unless your main concern is straight power.
The potara is definitely a more convenient fusion the fact that the people dont have to harmonize with each other gives it a huge advantage if you consider that every failed attempt at doing the dance costs 30 minutes as a weaker fighter the 100% success rate of potara fusion is where I think the advantage is, I personally believe both fusions have the same power potential
Here’s my headcanon which is backed up by statements. Gogeta seems to literally be Goku and Vegeta at the same time controlling the same, more powerful body. Vegito is his own entity though with his own thought process while having the memories of Goku and Vegeta. Also raw power aside, remember these two fusions have different personalities, which could influence the results as well.
Blue is easy to figure out. Gogeta was after ToP, Vegito was before ToP and before they went into the time chamber thus weaker. EDIT: also Jiren is way stronger than Broly.
Gogeta can unfuse due to energy overuse if we use gotenks as an example since while in ssj3 they defused mid fight not due to time limit but energy unless that was filler then nvm.
I believe in interpretation B especially since there is like a category on Dokkan that's like "Final Trump Card" and both fusions are on it Even if Anime Kid Buu > Buuhan it doesn't mean Over Vegito and bro also could transform 2 more times so Buu ain't ever winning that fight. Vegito would have just Slashed up Janemba but most likely not won with Soul Punisher since it seems that's Gogeta's main technique and Gogeta would have just used that technique and called it a day Where would you go in this one Good video
Kai's in dbz were giving misinformation about potara earrings that fans to this day still have a hard time accepting changes made in dbs about how the fusion works
Fax bro i totally agree vegito is pretty much above gogeta and yes obviously gogeta (in broly arc) was stronger than vegito (in zamasu arc) bcs vegeta and goku were wayyy weaker back then it's pretty simple 🔥
@@sixfromtokyoYeah the plot is what dictates how long the fusion lasts and who wins and loses. The reality is that if you switched the fusions and their opponents around the outcomes would be almost exactly the same, but based on what we know Vegito is technically stronger than Gogeta.
I know this isn’t how fusions work, but it’s my opinion on how they SHOULD work. Potara is the easier of the two, and the more reliable. Having a catalyst in the form of the earrings allows for two beings of vastly different strength to fuse correctly. No memorization of dance moves required - the fusion is stable and strong - and you get an hour time limit. Fusion Dance is the stronger, but riskier option. First, the beings have to match their power levels exactly - allowing for a “perfect mix” when it comes to the energies. This allows the magnification of those energies to be more significant. Without a catalyst like the earrings, the subjects require a ritual - a dance - to correctly flow their energies into one another and fuse. Doing it wrong screws up the process and wastes time. (Another point for the fusion dance is that, apparently in lore, you can fuse MORE THAN TWO PEOPLE with the dance! And there’s a different dance for 3, 4, 5, and more!)
@@WicXed-1 they had to wait to defuse for 30 minutes every time they messed up. The only reason they could afford that time was because Frieza was keeping Broly busy that whole time.
@@WicXed-1Potara has many flaws. Power drain is the the biggest. If Vegito uses too much power while fighting Gogeta and Gogeta can stay fused in 30 mins while going full power
I think when it comes That V-Jump article that pretty much says Gogeta > Vegito, I think there is another interpretation. Not saying I go with this but another valid interpretation. 1. It does say the only reason Gogeta should win is because of Fusion, could imply that it’s an equal version of Goku and Vegeta are being used. And the rest of the page would be referring to the specific Buu Saga Vegito and Fusion Reborn Gogeta. Especially with the the hypothetical being a “Dream Match” 2. You could say that relationships between any characters that fuse does seemingly have more of an effect on the fusions’ power than possibly even the method of fusion themselves. One example could be in DBS ToP arc when Beerus prioritizes 17 and 18 fusing because they should be compatible as siblings. Not even cyborgs. And he does this over having 17 fusing with someone stronger than 18. With that being said it could be interpreted that the Fusion Dance could properly draw the maximum potential for Goke and Vegeta specifically due to being a more balanced method of fusion. This would make it so while Potara is still stronger than Fusion, Gogeta would be stronger than Vegito. It does call Gogeta “a unification of body and soul” and Vegito “two powers multiplied together” or something like that which (considering both of them are what each of them were called) would mean Gogeta is more of the former than Vegito is and vise versa for the latter. Which that logic might apply to the “Dream Match.” But if you think it’s either referring to the base fusion amps alone, that would be a contradiction because Potara is outright stronger the Fusion. If you think it’s also referring to the series and the movie specifically (as opposed to just say that this is where these 2 are from) the Vegito would be stronger since Fusion Reborn takes place some time after it’s own Buu Saga considering Goku tells Vegeta that it’s been a long time since he had his body in that movie. Recapping: It can either refer to hypothetically equal pairs of Goku and Vegeta fusing having their “rival boost” (or generally “compatibility boost”) being maximized or some third boost, the Gogeta > Vegito without contradicting Potara > Fusion. Or it can be saying the entire page refers to the characters specifically from their respective forms of media which would either mean nothing if the former interpretation is believed, Vegito > Gogeta since the movie counterparts should be conceptually stronger or just be an outright contradiction if it’s saying Fusion > Potara. Again, not saying I go with this but I do think it’s another valid interpretation.
Also I think the anime might have included SSJ3 shortening the fusion time. Trunks does say that they ‘can only go SSJ3 for 5mins that they revert to their normal state and even their fusion comes undone.’ The manga displays this exactly and SSJ3 taking up Goku’s time limit on Earth is pretty consistent with that. But the anime has Gotenks fight in his base form for quite some time after his SSJ3 form runs out. He even uses Ghost Attacks proving he still has energy. On top of that, with GT (at the time) being the official sequel to the anime (but I side story to the manga) Goten and Trunks don’t think to warn Gogeta about using a strong form with Fusion or explain why their fusion became undone so quickly. Assuming the writers didn’t just forget it could be consistent with the anime. And I guess the interpretation of what Trunks said could be interpreted as “they can only go SSJ3 for 5mins, revert to base and then the fusion will run out when it’s supposed to later.” Or not depending on if you consider this, despite the anime being “canon,” just an anime contradiction.
1)gogeta from the movie is stronger than buu saga vegito because characters are stronger in movie if goku and vegeta used vegito in the movie janemba will still get whooped, it’s like saying gogeta in the broly movie is stronger than vegito in the zamazu because goku and vegeta are simply stronger than goku and vegeta back then that’s not a fair match up. 2) is there any statement to back this up? Rival boost or things similar to that is part of potara not fusion if you are confused 3) again is there any proof of gogeta “boost” cause it’s actually implied vegito is stronger due to their power rivalry and even if gogeta had power rivalry boost vegito is stronger due to their potara boost which you also said was stronger and now you get a stronger fusion. It’s either a tie or vegito stronger
@@legend_2543 1. The power of the characters in their respective continuities doesn’t really matter here. The idea of this interpretation is that reason stated in V-Jump for Gogeta winning is because of the method of fusion itself. Most of the page isn’t even comparing them as “movie Gogeta” and “anime Vegito.” It only looks that way since those are the only times/continuities in which they appear. Furthermore the “Dream Battle” section is likely comparing a hypothetical versus between the two fusions born from equal pairs of Goku and Vegeta because the only reason it gives for why one of them fairs better is specifically because of the differences between the method of fusion. It doesn’t state any other reason why so any other reason cannot be assume from this passage. 2. The rival boost isn’t part of the Potara exclusively and that’s never stated. In the actual story, it’s stated that it wasn’t just the Potara that made Vegito as strong as he was but the fact that it was specifically Goku and Vegeta who fused. There’s no reason why any other fusion of Goku and Vegeta wouldn’t get a boost that comes from who they are as individuals. It’s the entire reason why El Manga Legendario/Le Manga de Légende Volume 49 states if Goku fused with Gohan instead of Vegito, they might not have been as strong as Vegito. 3. V-Jump states the Fusion Dance can further draw out the power of Goku and Vegeta due to being a more balanced form of fusion. If you interpret this as “Fusion > Potara” then it’s wrong and contradicted by the series since Potara fusion is stronger than the fusion dance. BUT if you interpret this as “Fusion provides a power boost separate than the base boost” then it works without contradicting anything. Later on in the DBS anime, even Beerus wanted 17 & 18 to fuse because of their compatibility as siblings rather than cyborgs or going or instead of fusing 17 with someone stronger like Gohan or Piccolo. So it’s pretty evident that the comparability between the fusees can affect the resulting fusion’s power. Especially if, according to Toriyama, “shōki” or right-mindedness can raise one’s strength. We see this with Buuhan in the anime being able to use his rage-boost power better after calming down, Saiyko Jump stating Broly likely would’ve beaten SSB Gogeta if he had control and Toriyama stating Cell Max would be stronger than Broly if he had a functioning mind. The special edition compilation guide from Dorothée Magazine (a French guidebook series) also states that Gogeta’s “great capacity comes from the fact that it combines the maximum potential of Goku with that of Vegeta as super saiyans.” This is consistent with V-Jump implying another type of boost when it comes to the Fusion. It also states Vegito is mostly controlled by Vegeta when it gets to the GT portion in the series but I don’t really care about that since it’s clear Potara fusions are less balanced due to more “uneven” fusions like Kibito Kai or Kefla who really only has one of the Fusees’ power. So if so the logic that follows would be that even though the base Potara boost is greater than the base Fusion boost, when it comes to specifically Goku and Vegeta fusing, Gogeta would likely have a greater compatibility/rival boost because Fusion is the most balanced method of fusion. When it comes to the whole ‘Gogeta and Vegito are equal trump cards,’ Herms seems to think it has to do with the power of Gogeta and Vegito while Ken Xyro seems to think it refers to their power as trump cards/options. While I do think it probably means the latter, I feel like the intent behind making this statement is to essential tell the fans to think of them as equal. And again. I’m not saying that this ultimately IS how things are. I’m saying all of this is just a valid interpretation of the evidence in a way that leads to no contradictions. Of course all these guides and quotes from a series that came 20 years after DB ended weren’t meant to be combined, nor did whoever wrote whatever guidebook or character line have the any of the others in mind when they did. If you think the interpretation of V-Jump and Dorothée Magazine don’t work or extrapolate too much then Vegito should be stronger to you.
Just pointing smth out u stated that the fusion dance timer doesn't get affected by power expenditure but thats entirely false. Ssj3 gotenks diffused after only 5 mins and so did ssj4 gogeta, even if u dont wanna count ssj4 due tu non canon gotenks case still exists. The fight with broly also lasted for a very short time and we arent given an exact time frame of the fight while vegito vs zamasu lasted 40 mins before he defused and 40 is still greater than the max time limit of the fusion dance which in turn will also be reduced if gogeta uses as much power as vegito
People try to pin a multiplier and honestly beside it being A X B, i think one thing thats overlooked is it's a scale. The rival "boost" isnt a cherry on top the rivalry only creates conditions for a greater fighter meaning higher multiplier. Beerus backs up compatibility as a key factor during the TOP where he says 17 & 18 being twins should have a satisfactory result. Like goku saying him and Satan would barely grow stronger, the guide saying it is addition or multiplication basically illustrates it all. Depending on ur compatibility, u get a greater boost or possibly barely a boost at all. The funny thing about this whole debate is even if u said they had the same multiplier, fusion dance is technically always slightly weaker cuz u have to equalize. Thats where being rivals comes in since u barely have to adjust but that difference is there. Then u have more statements leaning toward potara. Honestly i'm fine with the fusions being equal cuz it makes both useful, fusion dance is more readily available while potara lasts longer but it's clear potara is suppose to be the better fusion overall even if it isnt stronger
I think the idea was for the potara fusion be the strongest one, but since dbs made the retcon, I think the creators are more in Gogeta side right now. For me Gogeta is a better fusion, in his 3 appearances he got 2 out 3 W and Vegetto got 0 in his 3 appearances.
The debate to end all debates
What I think is that gogeta and vegito have the same multiple and the rival boost is a bonus that can stack with super saiyan to ssb but the time limit goes down so vegito is stronger and gogeta has stronger durability
@@TRBAK-47YM_TD clearly u didnt watch an read the scans in the video🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂THE POTAROS ARE A GREATER MULTIPLIER!!! the multiplier is no where near equal.
@@ssjbluevegeta7020Anyways the time limitation is so bad, dance fusion was supposed to be the limited time one, but at that point its worth it because it doesn't have the bs of unfusion if spent x ammount of power
everyone knew potara was better this debate was ended way before this vid was even made
Nah.
I love how Toriyama was able to give the same guy different clothes and that resulted in one of the biggest debates of db history
Solid summary. 10/10
And hair style
"hairstyle" bro just got 1 less bang
@@cookiesncream3265that’s pretty generous for DB hair standards
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I prefer the fusions BEFORE the retcon. The way the fusions worked seemed fine to me: Potara was a stronger fusion but was permanent which meant that using them was a huge gamble and the fusion dance was weaker and had a time limit but could be used more loosely granted that you performed the dance correctly. But now that BOTH Of THEM have a timer then what's the damn point? Like who cares that Potara is stronger? It's harder to pull off since now you need the consistent help of the Kais to provide a set of earrings in order to use that fusion method, meanwhile the fusion dance can be performed at literally any point and doesn't require the need of outside help constantly supplying you with magical god earrings. Not to mention how easy the Potaras are to destroy which limits their usage even more.
Another weakness both fusions would have is the dance you can not transform into more powerful states as it will burn through you're time limit gotenks had 10 mins in ssj3 gogeta had 5 to 1 min in ssj4 (unless you have perfect ki control as gogeta would have split the moment he went blue) while the earrings you have to avoid using to much power as both kelfa and vegtio burn through their time because the power output
talking about the earring being easy to break, remember how in the dbs anime, fighters from universe 2 failed to do a potara fusion because someone shot a blast at their direction and the shock wave accidentally broke the earring, at least with the dance, you can just keep trying to do it even if someone stops you once
Except it was never permanent or retconed elder Kai didn’t know that the potara has a time limit for mortals all super did was give the explanation on why they defuse that time that’s it
@@primalgod7952 "He was just wrong he didn't know at the time!" Is really just a polite retcon
@@KingKevin108 there isn’t any to begin with that’s not a retcon you can’t expect him to know everything
Another point for vegito is during the buuhan fights,he notes that even if goku and vegeta do fusion,it won’t be enough to beat him,along with MANY scenes just saying potara fusion is stronger
Bro the amount of scenes that say Potara is stronger do not compare at all to the amount of guidebook statements. I kid you not when I say there is at least 15-20.
@@sixfromtokyo Gotta side with my dude here, manga canon > guidebook canon.
@@tudeslildudeyou literally have only the elder Kai, an old man who probably forget everything saying this. Guidebooks explain since it's not a character saying this
@@tudeslildude yea well you just picked a side when me and the other guy don't disagree I literally only said there is more evidence in the guidebooks that Potara is the better fusion.
@@sixfromtokyo people just look for the slightest thread of a possible disagreement and shit themselves on here.
This didn’t even win the poll. Then I went back to see if it won and both polls was deleted 😂 you were already cooking up this video and had us feeling like we were part of the upload schedule 😮
The poll was just really close so I didn't think people would mind.
@@sixfromtokyocan’t speak for everyone but most of us don’t , good content is good content . I just took part in the poll and remembered 😂
The rival boost definitely applies to Vegito and Gogeta because its the same two people and the explanation old kai gives about the rival boost pertains to Goku/Vegeta, not the potara itself
Very true
Also elder kai was trying to say that the potara was more efficient and easier to pull off
@@SuperBlueGamer9000 yeah and he was specifically talking about the fact that potara wasn't supposed to have a time limit and you dont have to have the same power level....
@@SuperBlueGamer9000 not, it's stronger. Daizenshuu 7 flat out says Potara is stronger than Fusion specifically.
It wouldnt imply that the rival boost applies with metamoran fusion, as they never stated it for metamoran fusion.
Fusion also has a shorter time limit with higher energy use, Gotenks defused early and it was said it was because of ssj3 (I think the time was cut in half).
but wasnt because if the rivalry of goku and vegeta the reason their version of fusion was much more (PURE) than the boys
Yeah but that’s Super saiyan 3, which drains power quickly.
@@moistysomeone The rivalry thing is never said to allow people who fuse to stay in it longer.
@@dannysmi7162imperfect ssjb is drains a lot of energy and thats what vegito used
Ssj4 Gogeta vs omega had a short time limit also
Hey six, you mention that fusion doesnt have a time limit so far as we know, but we actually do get told by trunks that gotenks defused because of ssj3’s power consumption
Am I really tweakin and don't remember that? If that is the case I guess it doesn't change much but still.
@@sixfromtokyo yeah it’s during their training in the ROSAT. Chapter 295. It happens offscreen, goten days “I never knew there was a level beyond super saiyan” followed by “I feel like it used up all my energy”. Trunks then says “I guess it’s weakness is time. We could only do it for 5 minutes. It even cancelled our fusion”
I agree with your interpretation of the percentile limits for both fusions. Vegito didnt defuse against Buuhan because he wasnt trying, much like how Gogeta was just finessing Broly, whereas in cases where they’re expending a lot of energy relative to base (Vegito Blue trying to kill an immortal, or Gogeta using SSJ4 against omega shenron in GT) they both have been shown to defuse early, which is consistent with the Gotenks scan.
@@sixfromtokyo and absolutely doesnt change much. The Daizenshu is clear that Potara is flat out stronger than fusion.
@@sixfromtokyo it was chapter 295 i think? Trunks literally says : i guess its weakness is time we defused in under 5 minutes or something like that
Bro he said that Gogeta would be able to go full power in a fight without defusing at all, even with a time limit. Gotenks only defused because of how cocky he was and basically wasn't conscious of what he was doin
I always interpreted them as relative equals power-wise, but Potara is a way easier and stable method.
We've seen what happens when the Dance isn't *pixel-perfect*. You lose an entire hour of possibly saving the universe.
I think based on the content we get Potara is clearly the better fusion - *however* - I think its way more interesting to make the dance stronger and less stable but the Potara is weaker and more stable
Well I mean, Buu Saga Gotenks & GT Gogeta established the precedent of transformations lowering the time limit.
I think a hypothetical same Saga Gogeta & Vegito can like cancel each other's ult, but Gogeta defuses almost immediately
I mean one of those is children (who already have garbage ki control) using an unstable form and the other is just non cannon. God ki also works differently to regular ki and what we got in the Broly movie pretty much disproved the idea that Gogeta would insta defuse like Vegito
@@TidePodsRFoodDoubt it, Gogeta has time to spare after broly
@@blackfangex6813 Then the time the fusion lasts also would’ve been shortened
In my opinion:
Vegito > Gogeta
The reason behind vegito gets unfused vs zamasu is because ssj blue wasn't perfect and wasted too much energy, as we can see in the manga several times in different arcs, and gogeta's presentation goes after tournament of power, where ssj blue was already perfected, meaning they don't have an energy waste.
If we had an actual Vegito and an actual Gogeta, Vegito would last an hour as it should, and also having more power for being a divine technique.
How is bro just keeps dropping banger videos time after time. True goat fr.
To be fair if you wanna scale Gogeta over Vegito (DBZ), you can bring up the fact Goku transforming shook the entire afterlife which is multiple universal sized dimensions, and Janemba being so powerful that it breaks the laws of life and death, because in the movie there’s scenes where the villains from hell die and are immediately brought back to life because Janemba has control over the concept, and that’s just a weaker form of Janemba so Super Janemba and Gogeta scale above Buuhan and Vegito based on feats of weaker versions of themselves, this also makes sense as to how Gogeta has a “Big Bang” of Ki because he’s powerful enough with just transforming to give off that level of energy.
Vegito and Gogeta have the same attacks
Bruh I already know this going to be a banger, look at the amount of views you got in only 35 mins 😂
W pfp
Great analysis on the Fusions👑keep it up and drop more DBZ content
Well, most of the statements about potara weren't really that clear:Kaioshin just said that the effect is greater than fusion but a few pages later, he just says that separating is just one of the weaknesses that potara fusion don't have, so it could refer to that, the only confirmations come from daizenshuu 7 and chouzenshuu 4(which copies daizenshu 7's), before that, the statement was just "the effect is greater than fusion"
Always look forward to a new Six upload
Is the “rival boost” an actual power boost though? I always took it to mean Goku and Vegeta compliment each other due to the rivalry more than if they chose to fuse with anyone else, not that the fusion multiplier gets an additional power boost.
I think that’s just what the boost is. Goku and vegeta are a better fusion than goku and gohan although gohan should be stronger than vegeta, implying some sortve additional boost in power because they’re rivals
@@Zeldic364 Yeah pretty much. My interpretation of it is that while still separate beings, the very essence of what a rival is happens to be that they are always motivating each other to improve. Goku always trains to outdo Vegeta and Vegeta always trains to outdo Goku. Therefore, when they fuse this drive to outdo each other is represented in the fusion by bumping up the power of the fusion proportional to the strength of their rivalry. It's basically sorta like a potential unlock.
Its simple .. Vegeta and Goku are Perfect Opposites. In mind and character. They know each other, they fight each other..They counter the other part again and again. If you mix that up you get fighter you counter his own weaknesses in fightingstyle, Mind and character.. bringing the best of them Both together in 1 Completly new beeing.
Thats the Rival boost. The perfect Ying - Yang. More Balance = Better Fusion.
six no cap your sonic vs shadow video was amazing editing was crazy
What made Vegito amazing in the Buu arc was that he didn’t have to go all out. Ssj was all he needed. If Buuhan was any real trouble to him, he could’ve gone up to ss3 and finished him for good, but that wasn’t really his goal. If Gogeta was the last option, I believe he’d have not much trouble either. When we look at Vegito in the Goku Black arc, he used Blue which was his strongest form. His final attack was meant to obliterate Zamasu completely. I think that he could’ve destroyed zamasu’s body, but he’d need to use 100% and then some to insure that regeneration would be impossible. Since he used up a lot of energy, he exhausted himself without realizing it. Blue isn’t as demanding as ss3, but if a saiyan fights for a long time or uses a full power attack, they’re not going to be as effective as they were when they started fighting. I know he’s not all that relevant, but Gotenks’s final fight with Super Buu showed that when a fusion fights at 100 percent, it can expire quickly.
Gogeta is just as effective as Vegito, but he seems to use his time and energy more wisely. I mean we’ve only gotten one canon appearance, but I don’t think his victory over Broly makes him better. Gogeta and Vegito are equals for now. Until they both face an opponent worthy of their absolute best, there’s no point in debating.
source- trust me guys
@@godbless.ant11no no, he’s got a point
I mean if Vegito went SS3 he wouldnt have had a very long Transformation
@@xvoidxhunter2129 By that logic so would ssj
@@Dirteater123 SS3 is vastly dfferent in stability and power than SS lmao
Was watching black clover, but this more hype.
I rate Gogeta more, and even though I would like to believe that line that they are basically equal... logically, Vegito will have a slight advantage.
With Potara, you just clip them on. With the Dance, you gotta match each other's max power. So if Goku is stronger than Vegeta or vice versa, that difference would play a huge factor.
I love Gogeta, but if it's an all in, full power match: Vegito barely takes that W.
Great video btw
Late comment your one of the very few Gogeta fans who admits Vegito is indeed stronger props to you. Most jackasses get in their feelings.
@Ryandbz2000 appreciate it 🙏
I know Toriyama said they were equal in everything, but logically, that wouldn't make sense.
I've always liked Gogeta over Vegito during Z, even though he was incredibly serious and was there for a moment. Did NOT like him in GT. And loved him in DBS. But like I said, if they were to go all out; Vegito would barely have that edge.
@@taecampus Funny thing is Gt Gogeta was actually Vegito in disguise Akira had a bad habit of forgetting characters and he got both fusions personalities confused. What lots of people don't understand about Vegito is he actually has a very serious side of him just like Gogeta when needed.
@Ryandbz2000 dude I used to say that all the time. GT Gogeta is basically the Super Vegito (as redundant as that sounds 🤣🤣) personality wise.... but just a bit more childlike.
I was never a fan because it was no reason to goof around and toys with Omega Shenron at that point.
Interesting take of yours in this iconic battle.
Every time six drops a vid my mental health improves
Personally I like both fusions and would say throughout the series they are relatively equal, whenever we see Gogeta he always delivers and gets the job done but we have seen more of what vegito can do therefore he could be scaled easier than Gogeta but I still like to think the are atleast around equal, although I do like the kinda head canon that Gogeta can expend all his power without worrying about a time limits while vegito has to be more careful and it kinda makes sense too cuz vegito’s fusion is magic and with too much power that magic or spell can be broken while Gogeta’s fusion is simply a technique some random amount of power won’t just break it cuz it’s not how it works, overall both fusions are cool but I wish Gogeta could get more time to shine so maybe we could really see who wins but I won’t care fo it that much tbh
Yooo this is amazing im going to sub man
Which translator do you use?
the debates to the debates 😳
Thank god it wasn’t the Kaguya vid
And respectable answer to the question
Simple, to have 2 fusions and both offer something unique and be relevant.
Vegito: Stronger but more complex to get because of many variables
Gogeta: less stronger but easier to summon
Gogeta is not easier to summon
It literally took Goku and Vegeta 3 tries before Gogeta was born (pause) while Vegito, they simply just have to wear a potara earring on their ears, one on the right and one on the left and then theyre fused
@@ssrSuguruSatoru "It literally took Goku and Vegeta 3 tries before Gogeta was born"
Yes but all they had to do is dance while to fuse into Vegito they have to go find a set of potara.
Vegito is stonger than Gogeta and Broly is not stronger than Jiren LMAO you going off of them hyping each battle up saying "the stongest enemy they have faced" Potara earrings>Fusion its been like this since 1989 vegito rivals beerus...
Gojo vs makima when?
W video btw
Gojima vs Makijo, who wins?
I’m so glad this beat the Kaguya video in the poll.
The goat done it again
For the rival boost. He says it applies too fusing in general not the potara specifically.
in my opinion rival boost is having two people who’s base power is so close it rivals the other providing a boost. since the stronger one has to match the weaker one with the fusion dance it doesn’t make much sense
@@Memor1_igoku and vegeta are always shown as rivals meaning there close it is very rare where one ends up drastically stronger base to base than tje other so i definitely think that interpretation can work
@@Nathan24634 yeah when i started arguing i left out the rival boost argument because of my interpretation of ir
@@Memor1_i ok
Damn, this was actually informative. I agree 100% with the conclusion. Scaling wise Gogeta is superior but if they were to swap places then Vegito is superior. Good shxt
Power scaling fictional characters is weird and stupid, yet I can't get enough of it. Well done!
Man didn't even consider making the Kaguya video even tho it had the most votes 😂
It will come out within the next 2 weeks. The poll was close enough I didn't think it'd matter.
@@sixfromtokyo I see
@@sixfromtokyo Why tf was that even an option my guy? Are you having revenue issue's bro?
Glad to see u at pick the kagua vid
W video. No bias, no bullshit, just straight facts.
So if Broly is stronger than Jiren after awakening beyond his initial full power. And Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta was stronger him? Does make the fusion stronger than Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku?
So potara fusion is better, I thought this was obvious
Ppl will cry an fight bc gogeta been in a movie an had only 1 cannon fight of a character he didn't kill mind u but shit on potara bc his plan worked against buu an for zamazu got rettcon soo
thats a simple thing which is so hard to understand for gogeta fans
I think Z Gogeta washes Z Vegito. He's leagues above base (the yellow one) Janemba who threatened to destroy "all of creation".
I like how most Vegito meat riders are scared to mention how Vegito has insane power limits so if he fights Gogeta then he would defuse. Gogeta in super has no power restrictions
mfw vegito only had access to imperfected blue
@@Memor1_imf they perfected blue in the manga
@@Juicy_wiwi in anime it didn’t exist but vegito stilll had imperfect
Like how gogeta meat riders forget goku and vegeta hadn't mastered ssb during the black arc and that gogeta was holding back for the majority of the fight with broly
@@Path3742 he used some of the most powerful attacks in db history with full power SSB and didn’t de fuse
Official material released at the time of the Broly movie stated that they are, for all intents and purposes, equal.
Six do you think super perfect cell is stronger than super Saiyan 2 Gohan I wanna make a video on cell
Nah he's weaker lol
@@sixfromtokyo why do you think he's weaker didn't he break gohans arm and pushed him back in a beam struggle
@@forreal7763 That was most likely an offguard Gohan trying to protect Vegeta and Gohan wasn't in his right mind despite all of this a "Half Power" Gohan was able to still beat Cell in his Super Perfect at his max from what we know in such a way that he destroyed every single CELL of him so he couldn't regen back if Gohan truly was only at Half power than if he can get 2X Stronger he can do this 2X Easier.
@@forreal7763 He broke Gohan's arm when Gohan was underestimating his power and Gohan was holding back in the beam struggle according the Goku and had lost half his power. Once Gohan goes all out he finishes Cell off for good.
@forreal7763 As soon as Gohan ascended, even after Cell's rebirth, Gohan was leagues stronger than Cell. It was Gohan's doubts that made him think he wasn't as strong as he was. It took Cell pushing Gohan to his perceived limit and took Goku pushing Gohan past what he thought his limits were. Gohan was in his head because he had just lost his father, but he was never weaker than Cell in SSJ2
love the video. tbh it feels a little weird to me now that I’m older that a god fusion technique would make mortals stronger then a fusion technique meant for them.
Think of it like this. The fusion technique for mortals was made by mortals but the fusion technique for gods was made by the gods. Makes sense that way.
@@sixfromtokyoyou know what ? it does make sense actually cause all of the saiyan’s god forms are stronger then there mortal transformations anyway. I was just coping a bit I really love gogeta lol.
I have a few issues with this video. One of the biggest being your statement that Metamoran fusion doesn't seem to have its limit drained if you expend to much power. That is incorrect. We've seen multiple cases of this being true, with SSJ3 Gotenks and SSJ4 Gogeta. Vegito defused quickly due to using the Final Kamehameha, a technique that is basically just a final flash mixed with a Kamehameha. One aspect of the Final Flash is that it's Vegeta's finishing move, one where he puts all of his energy into it. Vegito does the same with his Final Kamehameha (but due to hax, Zamasu doesn't die to it). Not a lot of people take that into account when comparing the two. Blue doesn't drastically drain Vegito's power, his Final Kamehameha does.
The fight with broly probably wasn't any more than a few minutes long. We've had multiple examples of the perception of time being skewed for our viewing, such as the infamous namek blowing up in 5 minutes, and the fact that the tournament of power was only 48 in-universe minutes and yet spanned 30 22-minute long episodes. Even if I'm wrong here about the Broly movie, my other point still stands. I love both fusions but Gogeta's gotta have permanent post-nut clarity with how much people ride his dick.
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The poll was close enough I didn't think it would matter lol
@@sixfromtokyo Thanks anyway this day is so fun
I always peeped it as the Fusion Dance being more unique and 'powerful' in the sense that the two fusing Had to be of equal power, etc, therefore the merger being more complete..
Whereas the Potara Fusion can be done by anyone, also making the merger weaker if the other one wearing the ring doesn't stand up to the other.
Old Kai said the reason Vegeto was so powerful was because Goku & Vegeta were Saiyans, near equal strength and rivals.
And, Yes, I'm a Gogeta fan 😅
A Goku with the no-nonsense of Vegeta is terrifying, ala Super Broly.. Once he turned Blue, Broly didn't lay a hand on him.. Broly would've Decimated Merged Zamasu.
zamasu was inmortal what u talking about
@@GarouyFubuki immortal doesn't mean powerful numbnuts.. Plus, what is your argument even about?? There's no context to your reply.
Asking who's stronger is stupid from a realistic standpoint since there cannot be two pairs of Goku and Vegeta existing in the same timeline (unless it's SDBH, not counting that one)
Only one between Gogeta and Vegito can exist at any given point, so they'll never meet in the first place
The purpose of the two fusions' existence is that of an ultimate trump card that Goku and Vegeta can use on rare occasions to overcome enemies that they can't hope to by themselves
In this regard, both Vegito and Gogeta do a fantastic job of eradicating strong foes
Who cares which one is stronger between the two, both have their own pros and cons
Vegito is a result of Goku's power being multiplied with Vegeta's power (in other words, Goku x Vegeta), and as such he is superior to his Metamoran counterpart from a pure battle-power perspective; but the Potara earrings themselves aren't gonna be available in Goku and Vegeta's pockets like Senzu beans 24/7, and they're also easy to break with just a single Ki blast (we also saw how Gohan failed to catch them and ultimately got devoured by Buu because of that blunder); Vegito's time also gets shorter the stronger the form he uses is
Gogeta is a result of Goku's power and Vegeta's power being added together and an unknown great number multiplying the resulting power on top of that (in other words, unknown great multiplier x (Goku + Vegeta)), so his con is that his power isn't as great as Vegito's; on the other hand, his time doesn't seem to get shorter even if he uses a crazy transformation like SSB, unlike Vegito
Both have their strengths and weaknesses, but both still do their jobs amazingly - which is putting down enemies when Goku and Vegeta can't by themselves
Uhhh there can be multiple pairs.. we literally saw goku black do it
There are no Multiplier for fusion. And even if there were. Vados said Potara is A+B x Tens of times. What is a Vage statement. Gogeta has the only statement that he is Stronger. But that is still debateble..because Toriyama said, they are both the same.
In DBS Vegito defuses if he goes all out and uses his full power but Gogeta doesn't. Which means that if Vegito tries to press his advantage he loses.
pretty much
yeah, power wise thats exactly it lol
Gotenks uses ss3. Gotenks claims they defuse after 5 minutes. Its clear both fusions defuse once using too much ki. Gogeta never defused vs broly or janemba because he never had to really try he was finessing broly and one shot janemba.
@@TheStupidNoodleBoiwhat do you mean 😂😂 he was trying to kill broly since he was a threat to earth
The reality is that it’s the plot that dictates everything. If we switched the opponents and fusions around the outcomes would be exactly the same. Both fusions have defused prematurely before.
Fusion dance fusions can definitely defuse early, gotenks only lasted 5 minutes as a super Saiyan 3
SSJ4 Gogeta lasted less than 10 minutes so yeah it’s definitely the case. The reality is that the plot is what dictates how long a fusion last instead of actually following the facts that have been stated.
gogeta fans will never understand that
>Gogeta
You should've just put ">Gogeta" and let your pfp act as Vegito.
@@sixfromtokyo true
Couldn't have said it better
Vogeto wins
@@jibril2473potara fusion of vegito and Gogeta? What about gogito?
The reason I take the most recent statement of them being equal as the most accurate is because it's the only statement made referring to the canon Gogeta. The other guides are all talking about the movies or GT, that statement is about the canon show tho.
We do need to take into consideration that the Gogeta and Vegito are at different arcs in the story. Gogeta is going to be considerably stronger just off the power boost they both received (MUI AND Evolved blue)
It's a draw. Why do people still debate this
vegito is way stronger and theres so many times it has been said in the manga and guidebooks
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@@LavaCreeperPeople because it isnt based on multiple statements , vegeto is just superior
@@morsayxd4441he isn’t lmao
@@HansWalter-z6c You accidentally put a "n't" at the end of "is"
Thank you for ending this debate bro. I’ve been watching for years and you got it going bro. This gone end any and all bs😂
I think itd be cool to see you break down Demon King Piccolo vs Boruto characters like Jigen or Naruto.
Probably the most interesting DB vs Naruto fights we could talk about that have more relative scaling than what people typically like to ask for (Like UI Goku vs Madara or sum like that)
ui goku vs madara is like an elephant vs an ant
@@hashi. No ik that, i said that as an example of stupid fights more casual vs battle people tend to put up against each other
Ive enjoyed these 2 probably my favorite is vegito just cuase he will trash talk you 15x before making 1st move amd gogeta very serious great video
The way that I always understood it was fusion is A*B while potara was A^B (or B^A)
Yea I thought that too prior to doing the research for this video.
:) The buu debate or Goku V Gohan buu saga would make for good vids too
power wise they are complete equals the difference comes to their time limit because if they dont use much energy vegito last longer if they use a ton of energy gogeta last longer since the potaras get damaged with excessive amounts of energy being drawn out
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Funny, how the Potara fusion is just Vegeta's outfit over Goku's, but the fusion dance actually makes them look a bit more godly. Gogeta looks stronger and looks like he had no limits to his power. Vegito always lost his edge in every fight and beat as many people as Vegeta has. While Gogeta has won his only canon fight he's been in.
he didnt lost his edge against buuhan tho, he won.
Based off the eye test I’ve always felt vegito was stronger, good to have confirmation from one of the Goatubers of anime content
Gogeta actually has 30 minutes I’m so fucking tired of this debate gogeta blue doesn’t defuse quick vegito does END OF THE FUCKING DEBATE
wake up the dude with the number dropped peak
I have a counter point which got retconned away real quick: I don't remember which translation it was, but back when GT was released (and not yet obliterated into being not canon), the zenkai boost was still acknowledged. You all remember that yes? Well, SSJ4 (those glorious ape men) were stated to be "peak Saiyan potential" at that time... Well, due to the nature of having a zenkai boost, OG ssj4 gogeta technically held infinite power ; you can't peak if you can always get stronger, even if it meant almost dying to do it. That said, I dunno how it works out, but there's two sides to this now: either the zenkai boost is constantly activating due to the supposed "peak" nature of ssj4, or every time gogeta gets unfused (which is technically his "death"), he'll get even stronger upon refusing. Of course, I could simply be wrong, but these technicalities do exist. I don't know if SSGSS has the same attribute, so I won't claim anything absolute in this case, but it's certainly something to think about (at least pre-modern DB)
Unrelated but let's say hypothetically madara ate a sukuna finger and sukuna took control. We'll just say madara is faster and overall stronger than sukuna himself is. Would sukunas own base stats and the power of his curse technique become stronger? What would be the limits of what he could do in madaras body? Or just would sukunas techniques actually get stronger due to being in a body stronger than his own?
Would probably work like an amp if you equate chakra to cursed energy
I liked this video.
Anyways I do want some thoughts on this since the video brought it up. So Jiren is considered an Enemy. I do want to ask, do you all consider Jiren an enemy? I ask this since yes, the title of the episode does call him “The Ultimate Enemy”, but that was during the ToP. Would you all consider Jiren an enemy by the end of it, where he has changed and sees how Goku sees friends and that kind of power.
Also going off of the scans that say Broly is the strongest enemy, I do like how for Superhero, a guide calls him the strongest man, since at that point, Broly isn’t an enemy. He’s only considered an enemy during the Broly movie, so he’s called an enemy.
Hey, Six. When it comes to potara fusions, do they really multiply the two power levels of the two fusee's?
According to multiple guides... yea.
@@sixfromtokyo Had to make sure. Since Goku and Vegeta have gotten exponentially stronger, I really wonder if their base form was enough to stop Buuhan since in the manga, he went straight to super saiyan.
Thank you for clarifying this for the fans. Tho debate was never this out of control back in the day. It was always known that vegito was the stronger fusion and the fan favorite. But ever since the broly movie came out, a lot of the casual fans switched up and started being toxic. It doesn’t help that super helped nerf vegito on top of that.
It also doesn't help that Gogeta has a way better win record than Vegito, which makes Gogeta look stronger at face value
Vegito against Zamasu was giving his all, and Gogeta was never in a position of weakness, tiredness, or any other sign that it was possible to defeat him. I don't know how much the canon about Gogeta's time and metamorus fusions may have changed, but regardless, Gogeta always uses his time with a guarantee of victory. The most threatening thing about Gogeta has also always been his techniques, which Vegito has no access to, and is unaware of, probably being magical, and coming from the Metamorus, as well as his clothes, with the Soul Punisher as the greatest example, and Gotenks having the kamikase ghosts , with perhaps Gogeta being able to use the same technique if he wanted
those fancy pants effects blew their minds.
@@pensandoemalgo.5722 I don’t know what you were trying to say with that comment, but vegito always faces the more complex enemies, plus he doesn’t just appear in movies where he’s destined to be the final plot like for said movie due to run time
But you said jiren stronger then jiren 😂in the other video and that broly statements are not always right or inconsistent
On a side note can we just finally let Gotenks have a win? Everytime he shows up he gets humiliated in some way, especially in DBS
What do you think of powerscaling devil may cry?
Six, I got a question, when goku and vegeta do the fusion dance and goku has to lower his power level, where does that power go after they fuse? Does it just disappear or what? I was always under the impression that fusion dance requires the power levels to be equal for it to happen and that process has nothing to do with the power output of the fusion like how it has to be perfect like the the fingers being perfectly aligned and the dance being perfectly synchronised, I feel like the power levels being the same is just a process of the fusion to form and not that the fusion suddenly has less power because one of the fusees lowered they power like where do that power go? I wanna know your take on this .
Goku has never needed to lower his power because he and Vegeta are equal base to base Everytime they had to fuse
@@fireysalt yeah I get that but what I’m ask is where does that power that has been reduced go, like in the case of gotenks and also if goku and vegeta are equal in base then doesn’t that just mean that gogeta and vegito are equal in power
This was established decades ago when Potra came out, potora binding > Fusion.
Haven’t the video yet but my understanding of Vegito vs Gogeta was always that Vegito was stronger pre Super.
But now post Super Vegito still is the stronger fusion but doesn’t have a reliable timer for said fusion. Whereas Gogita is slightly weaker, the timer is always going to be 30mins so it ends up being the better fusion overall because it’s more reliable with the timer.
We’ll see how the video matches with that.
You're gonna love the video lmao
I wonder about the 30 Minutes because both used Blue but I don't think we ever really get an idea of how long Gogeta was fused because Dragonball fights are so damn high speed
That still reminds me of that one time Bulma said something it's like who can she see at that level
Metamoran fusion still abides by the rules presented before, where excessive power use still cuts the fusion timer down significantly. Gotenks wasn't able to sustain ssj3 for even 10 minutes. It seems that no matter the method of fusion, the time your allowed to stay fused is dependant on energy output.
@@sixfromtokyo I stand corrected lol. Common W video by the way.
@@danielthorpe5539 Huh, forgot about that, my bad.
I believe the metamoran fusion multiplier might scale based off of the 2 individuals characteristics, which is why Gogeta is this unstoppable force of nature but Gotenks is MUCH less of a boost. But while this may put the multiplier above normal potara, there is still the rival boost which should put Vegito above Gogeta in raw power. Even if you don’t agree Vegito has much better skill feats, with words alone he can directly target your morale and lower your Ki output, he basically made Buu 10x stronger just to force him to realize he needed to absorb him, and of course in the manga, intimidated Zamasu so much his immortality regeneration actually slowed down in their slow conflict. Also Vegito is stated to be the perfect warrior and has a longer time limit. Vegito should be stronger and even if you disagree Vegito is arguably more skilled and has a longer time limit so whichever way you slice it, Vegito solos.
The real determining factor is which aspect of goku and vegeta's hidden power and unbounded potential comes through when needed. Goku and vegeta have tapped into dormant energies and evolved in strength several times.
The guy who struggled against Zamasu vs the guy who obliterated someone that surpasses Jiren
Most of the guidebook statements don't suggest Vegito is stronger, it could simply refer to it's efficiency, and all of them except for the 2019 statement are from V jump staff, not Toriyama.
My personal view is that gogeta is more temepred and focused whereas vegito tends to play with his food. This difference kinda makes it so that gogeta actually is usually the smarter choice unless your main concern is straight power.
The potara is definitely a more convenient fusion the fact that the people dont have to harmonize with each other gives it a huge advantage if you consider that every failed attempt at doing the dance costs 30 minutes as a weaker fighter the 100% success rate of potara fusion is where I think the advantage is, I personally believe both fusions have the same power potential
Here’s my headcanon which is backed up by statements. Gogeta seems to literally be Goku and Vegeta at the same time controlling the same, more powerful body. Vegito is his own entity though with his own thought process while having the memories of Goku and Vegeta.
Also raw power aside, remember these two fusions have different personalities, which could influence the results as well.
Blue is easy to figure out. Gogeta was after ToP, Vegito was before ToP and before they went into the time chamber thus weaker. EDIT: also Jiren is way stronger than Broly.
Gogeta can unfuse due to energy overuse if we use gotenks as an example since while in ssj3 they defused mid fight not due to time limit but energy unless that was filler then nvm.
Super saiyan 3 is not stable. It drains power quickly.
Nah its in the manga too. Look at the training part for gotenks they unfuse off screen and trunks claims they could only stay fused for 5 minutes.
@dannysmi7162 Yes and?
I believe in interpretation B especially since there is like a category on Dokkan that's like "Final Trump Card" and both fusions are on it
Even if Anime Kid Buu > Buuhan it doesn't mean Over Vegito and bro also could transform 2 more times so Buu ain't ever winning that fight.
Vegito would have just Slashed up Janemba but most likely not won with Soul Punisher since it seems that's Gogeta's main technique and Gogeta would have just used that technique and called it a day
Where would you go in this one
Good video
Kai's in dbz were giving misinformation about potara earrings that fans to this day still have a hard time accepting changes made in dbs about how the fusion works
Fax bro i totally agree vegito is pretty much above gogeta and yes obviously gogeta (in broly arc) was stronger than vegito (in zamasu arc) bcs vegeta and goku were wayyy weaker back then it's pretty simple 🔥
The real winner is the always inconsistent time for the Fusions
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@@sixfromtokyoYeah the plot is what dictates how long the fusion lasts and who wins and loses. The reality is that if you switched the fusions and their opponents around the outcomes would be almost exactly the same, but based on what we know Vegito is technically stronger than Gogeta.
I know this isn’t how fusions work, but it’s my opinion on how they SHOULD work.
Potara is the easier of the two, and the more reliable. Having a catalyst in the form of the earrings allows for two beings of vastly different strength to fuse correctly. No memorization of dance moves required - the fusion is stable and strong - and you get an hour time limit.
Fusion Dance is the stronger, but riskier option. First, the beings have to match their power levels exactly - allowing for a “perfect mix” when it comes to the energies. This allows the magnification of those energies to be more significant. Without a catalyst like the earrings, the subjects require a ritual - a dance - to correctly flow their energies into one another and fuse. Doing it wrong screws up the process and wastes time. (Another point for the fusion dance is that, apparently in lore, you can fuse MORE THAN TWO PEOPLE with the dance! And there’s a different dance for 3, 4, 5, and more!)
Fusion dance isn’t riskier as shown in the broly movie. It makes sense that the potara is stronger because they won’t always have access to them
@@WicXed-1 they had to wait to defuse for 30 minutes every time they messed up. The only reason they could afford that time was because Frieza was keeping Broly busy that whole time.
@@WicXed-1Potara has many flaws. Power drain is the the biggest. If Vegito uses too much power while fighting Gogeta and Gogeta can stay fused in 30 mins while going full power
Wait didn’t u have a poll for this and the other topic was winning?? Idk if I’m delusional or if u took that poll down
I think when it comes That V-Jump article that pretty much says Gogeta > Vegito, I think there is another interpretation. Not saying I go with this but another valid interpretation.
1. It does say the only reason Gogeta should win is because of Fusion, could imply that it’s an equal version of Goku and Vegeta are being used. And the rest of the page would be referring to the specific Buu Saga Vegito and Fusion Reborn Gogeta. Especially with the the hypothetical being a “Dream Match”
2. You could say that relationships between any characters that fuse does seemingly have more of an effect on the fusions’ power than possibly even the method of fusion themselves.
One example could be in DBS ToP arc when Beerus prioritizes 17 and 18 fusing because they should be compatible as siblings. Not even cyborgs. And he does this over having 17 fusing with someone stronger than 18.
With that being said it could be interpreted that the Fusion Dance could properly draw the maximum potential for Goke and Vegeta specifically due to being a more balanced method of fusion. This would make it so while Potara is still stronger than Fusion, Gogeta would be stronger than Vegito. It does call Gogeta “a unification of body and soul” and Vegito “two powers multiplied together” or something like that which (considering both of them are what each of them were called) would mean Gogeta is more of the former than Vegito is and vise versa for the latter. Which that logic might apply to the “Dream Match.”
But if you think it’s either referring to the base fusion amps alone, that would be a contradiction because Potara is outright stronger the Fusion. If you think it’s also referring to the series and the movie specifically (as opposed to just say that this is where these 2 are from) the Vegito would be stronger since Fusion Reborn takes place some time after it’s own Buu Saga considering Goku tells Vegeta that it’s been a long time since he had his body in that movie.
Recapping:
It can either refer to hypothetically equal pairs of Goku and Vegeta fusing having their “rival boost” (or generally “compatibility boost”) being maximized or some third boost, the Gogeta > Vegito without contradicting Potara > Fusion.
Or it can be saying the entire page refers to the characters specifically from their respective forms of media which would either mean nothing if the former interpretation is believed, Vegito > Gogeta since the movie counterparts should be conceptually stronger or just be an outright contradiction if it’s saying Fusion > Potara.
Again, not saying I go with this but I do think it’s another valid interpretation.
Also I think the anime might have included SSJ3 shortening the fusion time. Trunks does say that they ‘can only go SSJ3 for 5mins that they revert to their normal state and even their fusion comes undone.’
The manga displays this exactly and SSJ3 taking up Goku’s time limit on Earth is pretty consistent with that.
But the anime has Gotenks fight in his base form for quite some time after his SSJ3 form runs out. He even uses Ghost Attacks proving he still has energy. On top of that, with GT (at the time) being the official sequel to the anime (but I side story to the manga) Goten and Trunks don’t think to warn Gogeta about using a strong form with Fusion or explain why their fusion became undone so quickly. Assuming the writers didn’t just forget it could be consistent with the anime. And I guess the interpretation of what Trunks said could be interpreted as “they can only go SSJ3 for 5mins, revert to base and then the fusion will run out when it’s supposed to later.”
Or not depending on if you consider this, despite the anime being “canon,” just an anime contradiction.
1)gogeta from the movie is stronger than buu saga vegito because characters are stronger in movie if goku and vegeta used vegito in the movie janemba will still get whooped, it’s like saying gogeta in the broly movie is stronger than vegito in the zamazu because goku and vegeta are simply stronger than goku and vegeta back then that’s not a fair match up.
2) is there any statement to back this up? Rival boost or things similar to that is part of potara not fusion if you are confused
3) again is there any proof of gogeta “boost” cause it’s actually implied vegito is stronger due to their power rivalry and even if gogeta had power rivalry boost vegito is stronger due to their potara boost which you also said was stronger and now you get a stronger fusion.
It’s either a tie or vegito stronger
@@legend_2543 1. The power of the characters in their respective continuities doesn’t really matter here. The idea of this interpretation is that reason stated in V-Jump for Gogeta winning is because of the method of fusion itself. Most of the page isn’t even comparing them as “movie Gogeta” and “anime Vegito.” It only looks that way since those are the only times/continuities in which they appear.
Furthermore the “Dream Battle” section is likely comparing a hypothetical versus between the two fusions born from equal pairs of Goku and Vegeta because the only reason it gives for why one of them fairs better is specifically because of the differences between the method of fusion. It doesn’t state any other reason why so any other reason cannot be assume from this passage.
2. The rival boost isn’t part of the Potara exclusively and that’s never stated. In the actual story, it’s stated that it wasn’t just the Potara that made Vegito as strong as he was but the fact that it was specifically Goku and Vegeta who fused. There’s no reason why any other fusion of Goku and Vegeta wouldn’t get a boost that comes from who they are as individuals.
It’s the entire reason why El Manga Legendario/Le Manga de Légende Volume 49 states if Goku fused with Gohan instead of Vegito, they might not have been as strong as Vegito.
3. V-Jump states the Fusion Dance can further draw out the power of Goku and Vegeta due to being a more balanced form of fusion. If you interpret this as “Fusion > Potara” then it’s wrong and contradicted by the series since Potara fusion is stronger than the fusion dance. BUT if you interpret this as “Fusion provides a power boost separate than the base boost” then it works without contradicting anything.
Later on in the DBS anime, even Beerus wanted 17 & 18 to fuse because of their compatibility as siblings rather than cyborgs or going or instead of fusing 17 with someone stronger like Gohan or Piccolo. So it’s pretty evident that the comparability between the fusees can affect the resulting fusion’s power. Especially if, according to Toriyama, “shōki” or right-mindedness can raise one’s strength. We see this with Buuhan in the anime being able to use his rage-boost power better after calming down, Saiyko Jump stating Broly likely would’ve beaten SSB Gogeta if he had control and Toriyama stating Cell Max would be stronger than Broly if he had a functioning mind.
The special edition compilation guide from Dorothée Magazine (a French guidebook series) also states that Gogeta’s “great capacity comes from the fact that it combines the maximum potential of Goku with that of Vegeta as super saiyans.” This is consistent with V-Jump implying another type of boost when it comes to the Fusion.
It also states Vegito is mostly controlled by Vegeta when it gets to the GT portion in the series but I don’t really care about that since it’s clear Potara fusions are less balanced due to more “uneven” fusions like Kibito Kai or Kefla who really only has one of the Fusees’ power.
So if so the logic that follows would be that even though the base Potara boost is greater than the base Fusion boost, when it comes to specifically Goku and Vegeta fusing, Gogeta would likely have a greater compatibility/rival boost because Fusion is the most balanced method of fusion.
When it comes to the whole ‘Gogeta and Vegito are equal trump cards,’ Herms seems to think it has to do with the power of Gogeta and Vegito while Ken Xyro seems to think it refers to their power as trump cards/options. While I do think it probably means the latter, I feel like the intent behind making this statement is to essential tell the fans to think of them as equal.
And again. I’m not saying that this ultimately IS how things are. I’m saying all of this is just a valid interpretation of the evidence in a way that leads to no contradictions. Of course all these guides and quotes from a series that came 20 years after DB ended weren’t meant to be combined, nor did whoever wrote whatever guidebook or character line have the any of the others in mind when they did.
If you think the interpretation of V-Jump and Dorothée Magazine don’t work or extrapolate too much then Vegito should be stronger to you.
Buu vs Jinemba or any movie villain fight like
Turles vs sayain arc vegeta
Slug protecting namek from frieza
Just pointing smth out u stated that the fusion dance timer doesn't get affected by power expenditure but thats entirely false. Ssj3 gotenks diffused after only 5 mins and so did ssj4 gogeta, even if u dont wanna count ssj4 due tu non canon gotenks case still exists. The fight with broly also lasted for a very short time and we arent given an exact time frame of the fight while vegito vs zamasu lasted 40 mins before he defused and 40 is still greater than the max time limit of the fusion dance which in turn will also be reduced if gogeta uses as much power as vegito
Disappointed you didn’t try and do Buu vs Janemba to compare the two :(
Now do a video comparing who has the best character design.
Spoiler! it's Gogeta, hands down 💯
UNLESS, *Future Trunks joins that debate*. Then, I can't decide. They are both too fresh 😎
How? He literally wears the same outfit as Gotenks. Not really that original unless you like it regardless of course.
People try to pin a multiplier and honestly beside it being A X B, i think one thing thats overlooked is it's a scale. The rival "boost" isnt a cherry on top the rivalry only creates conditions for a greater fighter meaning higher multiplier. Beerus backs up compatibility as a key factor during the TOP where he says 17 & 18 being twins should have a satisfactory result. Like goku saying him and Satan would barely grow stronger, the guide saying it is addition or multiplication basically illustrates it all. Depending on ur compatibility, u get a greater boost or possibly barely a boost at all.
The funny thing about this whole debate is even if u said they had the same multiplier, fusion dance is technically always slightly weaker cuz u have to equalize. Thats where being rivals comes in since u barely have to adjust but that difference is there. Then u have more statements leaning toward potara. Honestly i'm fine with the fusions being equal cuz it makes both useful, fusion dance is more readily available while potara lasts longer but it's clear potara is suppose to be the better fusion overall even if it isnt stronger
People always downplay vegito just because he "hasnt won a single fight" without looking at the context of his fights,
I think the idea was for the potara fusion be the strongest one, but since dbs made the retcon, I think the creators are more in Gogeta side right now. For me Gogeta is a better fusion, in his 3 appearances he got 2 out 3 W and Vegetto got 0 in his 3 appearances.