But noone within the Union will ever know that he was willing to turn himself in. Then he died beyond creditable witness, so he will be blamed as genuine traitor. 🎭
... did... did the admiral really think he would leave that place alive? Was he really that dumb? With saying he would turn himself in he pretty much asked to be killed.
I'm pretty sure that court martial would've been worse tbh, but i don't really know. The union has been shown to be very lax on a lot of circumstances. Still, May i remind you that earth and union as a society uses reputation as currency(mostly based on carreer), and what Perry did just now ensured to get his carreer terminated and to becone quite infamous, thus making him probably the poorest living being in the union? He did all this willingly knowing full well that this was the best case scenario, I assume he was also ready to die 😂
@@profchaos91given the hatred of the Kaylon after the attack, it seems likely that Perry’s actions might not have ruined his career. There were a lot of people who supported using the weapon to get rid of the Kaylon because the Kaylon could not conceivably stop their crusade. And remember, this weapon ONLY affected the Kaylon, so it could not be used against anyone else. Perry would have been court marshaled, but he’d still enjoy hero status among the conservative community. And even the establishment would have recognized the validity of his actions. They’d convict him and punish him in some significant way. But because his actions would not have caused the death of any citizen of the federation, the charge of treason would be downgraded to insubordination.
@@shaneturner500 aside from the Moclans, most of the union seems quite opposite tona "conservative" lifestyle. There would probably be people who would appreciate and maybe even support his choice, but his carreer was 100% over, there's no other outcome aside fron death or dishonourable discharge and maybe confinement. Keep also in mind that as a former admiral he would have had access to lots of information and he just proved to be unreliable in keeping secrets, so he would have to face some serious punishment in either prison or mind wipe
I mean I think his objective goal is to see the Kaylon destroyed. Which in his mind ensures a safer situation overall. So really I don't think he cared if he died as long as he knew the Kaylon follow him soon enough.
Spoilers...... This is the biggest turning point for the Union, the moment they lost the weapon they immediately seek the Kaylon as temp allied to prevent total annihilation of Kaylon races. This leads the Kaylon to have a change of view in the biological which lead them to join the union as the new allies. Without Perry action Kaylon will still be a threat once they figure counter measure and now they also have to deal with Moclan x Krill allied.
Looking at the airlock door and the position it is in when it is closed, pointing slightly outward, it should open inward so when the passage is pressurized the pressure will hold the door shut by default and make its seal even better. As it is, the pressure will be trying to swing the door outward and the door mechanism will have to constantly work to keep the door shut so any atmosphere inside the passage would have to be evacuated before the door will open. That would be much safer for any personnel inside the passage doing maintenance, or whatever, until they are ready to use the airlock.
so you're a sci fi writer? do you have any engineering experience or common sense? no? good! oh theres this show called Star Trek Discovery that we need you for, too. but you have to hate good writing and sensible plot points. make it stupid!
@@thejamesasher "so you're a sci fi writer? do you have any engineering experience or common sense? no? good! oh theres this show called Star Trek Discovery that we need you for, too. but you have to hate good writing and sensible plot points. make it stupid!" Science fiction writer, no. Engineer, yes, both mechanical and electrical. That outer airlock door is probably more than 100 inches in diameter. The pressure air pressure applies in measured in pounds per square inches. A 100 inch diameter door will have an area of approximately 157 inches. If the atmospheric pressure inside the air lock when pressurized is close to the Earth's at sea level, which is approximately 14 pounds per square inch, that air lock door will have around 2,200 pounds of pressure pushing outwards on it. That would mean that in order to keep the airlock door closed when the airlock is pressurized, the door mechanism will need to apply over 2,200 pounds of pressure to hold it shut to prevent explosive decompression. If that door opened inward instead, then the airlock door mechanism would have to apply zero pounds of pressure to hold the airlock door shut since the 2,200 pounds of air pressure would be holding the airlock door shut very securely. And when the airlock is depressurized so the shuttle can leave, there will be zero pressure holding the door shut and could be easily opened inward. But I am certain that someone as smart as you already had the figured out. 🤣
I was sorry to see his character get killed off. The fact that he made that speech "I believe in the idealism of the Union, but my compatriots have made a grave mistake......" he made that speech with such conviction. Ted Danson's character was a traitor but he made it clear that he feared the threat of the Kaylon and felt that there was no way of peace between living lifeforms and artificial lifeforms. It is so ironic, that what he did created a chain of events that lead to peace between the Kaylon and the Union!!!!
Unfortunately this created a small nitpick. When the Orville later arrives, Issac scans the debris and confirms Krill and Moclan weapons were used. Only the Krill ship fired. It was just a vehicle to get the revelation that they'd formed an alliance out, but it could have been all fixed with a special effect of the Moclan vessel firing as well.
Or the Moclans had edited the Krill weapons using there knowledge of Union systems to make them more effective but to do so they had to add Moclan parts which then makes scans of the debris show Krill and Moclan weapon sgnatures
Hit or miss. It's done some great tellings and retellings. I still prefer the balance of humor from seasons 1 and 2. Season 3 tries way too hard to be serious and it started feeling artificial
Question: was Admiral Perry right? Without the later sacrifices made the Kaylon would have remained convinced biologicals had to be destroyed. Their technology is so advanced it became inevitable that they would eventually find a way to counter the device. The Kaylon fleet was superior in every way, a long war could only end in Union defeat. So was Admiral Perry right???
He might be right, but he could also be wrong. Even if the genocide towards Kaylon happens though, I don't think that the Kaylon don't have any plan to at least preserve their data for later rebellion, this time with adamant belief that all biological beings are cruel and deserving of extermination. Violence will always have its way to come back and bite your ass. Thus, I find it better for the Kaylon to be ally then to erase them. The Kaylon's advancement in technology could prove useful in the future.
Yeah I think he was right. Any weapon made a counter measure would be created. It was only a matter of time and time is what the Union was willing to give the Kaylon with a armistice.
I’d say right and wrong, right in the fact that the Kaylon could find a way to become immune to the weapon, especially if they studied up on Isaac. That said he was also wrong in that he decided to work with the Krill and Moclans considering how the former were enemies of the union to begin with and the latter recently became enemies. More then likely even if they did pull it off the Moclan weapon researchers would’ve found a way for it to affect certain biologicals after they wiped the Kaylon off
From a tactical point of view, Perry's assessment was sound. This move would have given the Union the best chance of survival, by facilitating genocide against the Kaylons. A violation of Union principles. Ironically, it was those principles which resolved the Kaylon conflict without exterminating them.
When I watched this clip yesterday and heard this Moclan on board this Krill ship spoken the actor who played this Moclan his voice was familiar because that actor play a role in Star Trek Voyager and his name is Wren T. Brown and he played the Moclan captain Rechik and Ron Canada played Admiral Tucker and he is also a former Star Trek actor ☺ Wren T. Brown played Klingon captain Kohlar in Star Trek Voyager season 7 episode Prophecy ☺ It is cool to know other Star Trek actors and actresses have played a character in The Orville ☺
@@AdmiralKarelia JANEWAY: The treaty, for one thing. I'll give you access to our database show you I'm telling the truth. KOHLAR [on viewscreen]: Databases can be falsified. JANEWAY: I have a Klingon serving aboard this ship. KOHLAR [on viewscreen]: Impossible. JANEWAY: She's my Chief Engineer. KOHLAR [on viewscreen]: I will meet this Chief Engineer. JANEWAY: We'd be honoured to have you as our guest.
@@haakonstenseth another fun little factoid, the tense music in the background of that scene is a variation of the theme from DS9's "Tacking Into The Wind" that plays when Worf fights and kills Gowron.
Why leave any chance that the ship would survive? If a small gun was used and only damaged the shuttle but allowed it to go to quantum, Perry could’ve escaped and warned the Union about the Moclan/Krill alliance. Better to just overkill it and blast it with one of the main guns.
This reminds me quote #116 from "Art of Worldly Wisdom" by Balthazar Gracian: Only act with Honourable Men. You can trust them and they you. Their honour is the best surety of their behaviour even in misunderstandings, for they always act having regard to what they are. Hence it is better to have a dispute with honourable people than to have a victory over dishonourable ones. You cannot treat with the ruined, for they have no hostages for rectitude. With them there is no true friendship, and their agreements are not binding, however stringent they may appear, because they have no feeling of honour. Never have to do with such men, for if honour does not restrain a man, virtue will not, since honour is the throne of rectitude.
It's easy to say that, but determining who is and isn't honorable is the tricky part, especially since people often do not have the same standards as to what is and isn't honorable.
I like this scene because he wasn't, like, enslaved in a krill prison or maybe miraculously survived to be seen again, an admiral was straight up exploded by a giant artillery laser in the vacuum of space
I really wish this show had gotten a few more seasons, but apparently MacFarlane didn't write episodes fast enough and all the cast had to move on. Would have been nice to tie up some of the ongoing storylines.
Not what happened here but you know what would have been super ironic? If he had EXPECTED them to kill him and WANTED it as his only alternative was prison for the remainder of his life and then they REALLY DO LET HIM GO and he is unhappy about it and is angry at them for not killing him like he expected. That would actually have been kind of funny.
The thirty pieces silver is a reference to betraying someone out of greed. He did so out of a belief his actions were justified. He would be a good example of the road to Hell is paved with good intentions though.
Did he honestly believe they would just let him leave after handing over all of his leverage? Why didn’t he tell them that he had the only manual in existence and he’d send it to them as soon as he got to earth?
Probably not but in his eyes giving weapon to deal with existential threat was only way and was prepared to die for it. In hindsight when we know plot it was treason but logically at that time you have army on robots on they way to exterminate everyone and you have weapon that can defeat enemy but nobody wants to use it because of "principles" but are in timer when it stops work so what do you do, give it somebody who want use it. At that point it was right decision to do and this trope of rather die then betray morals and ethics is getting old if. If you die all your principles etc. means nothing but if you survive then you can do some good later. Get blown to smithereens is easy but make hard decisions live with it and do the work is hard. Not mentioning not all union individuals share same sentiment to die at that hill just because.
Still better than most "Badmirals" at least he was willing to turn himself in and face the consequences of his actions.
He reminds me a bit of Captain Maxwell from the TNG episode "The Wounded".
But noone within the Union will ever know that he was willing to turn himself in.
Then he died beyond creditable witness, so he will be blamed as genuine traitor. 🎭
Most of them didn't see what they were doing as wrong so they had no reason to turn themselves in
Of course, he wanted to eventually get to the good place even through first serving at the bad place...
That's what makes a villain relatable and a good villain, they think they are right
Ironically him handing the weapon over was good for the union, definitely not in the way he was expecting though
Well he definitely ended up in the Bad Place.
Or maybe he did a Mindy Saint-Claire and ended up in the middle? He actions were bad but the ultimate consequence was galactic peace as a result
And not the good place😂
Kidding aside
Janet: For the attempted genocide, not the betrayal.
It was all a dream. He's still tending the bar at Cheers.
"What's the bad place?"
A traitor that’s willing to fall on his own sword… almost Admirable.
Ah... I see what you did there.
Moral: Deal with snakes and you will get bit
2:29 it almost looks like she didn't even want to betray him afterwards, but knew it would give them an advantage - so she did it anyway...
"No time for breakfast Reg, just a cup of coffee! My shuttle got blown up so I had to take the bus!"
- Admiral Becker
The bartender Reg Dax dealt many times with cranky folks.
She is tough enough to take it. 😅
At least he doesn’t have to face the charges of Treason
Yeah, but he forgot his marshmallows
"Uh, Sammy, it's a well-known fact that the Krill descended from the krill here on Earth, right in Bawston Harbor!"- Cliff
“Domino”, easily one of the best episodes of entire series
First rule on dealing with the devil: Don't
And the culmination of all the storylines that had been building all season is set in motion.
... did... did the admiral really think he would leave that place alive? Was he really that dumb? With saying he would turn himself in he pretty much asked to be killed.
Either way, his life was over. If he anticipated it, I don't think he would have cared.
I'm pretty sure that court martial would've been worse tbh, but i don't really know. The union has been shown to be very lax on a lot of circumstances.
Still, May i remind you that earth and union as a society uses reputation as currency(mostly based on carreer), and what Perry did just now ensured to get his carreer terminated and to becone quite infamous, thus making him probably the poorest living being in the union? He did all this willingly knowing full well that this was the best case scenario, I assume he was also ready to die 😂
@@profchaos91given the hatred of the Kaylon after the attack, it seems likely that Perry’s actions might not have ruined his career. There were a lot of people who supported using the weapon to get rid of the Kaylon because the Kaylon could not conceivably stop their crusade. And remember, this weapon ONLY affected the Kaylon, so it could not be used against anyone else.
Perry would have been court marshaled, but he’d still enjoy hero status among the conservative community. And even the establishment would have recognized the validity of his actions. They’d convict him and punish him in some significant way. But because his actions would not have caused the death of any citizen of the federation, the charge of treason would be downgraded to insubordination.
@@shaneturner500 aside from the Moclans, most of the union seems quite opposite tona "conservative" lifestyle.
There would probably be people who would appreciate and maybe even support his choice, but his carreer was 100% over, there's no other outcome aside fron death or dishonourable discharge and maybe confinement.
Keep also in mind that as a former admiral he would have had access to lots of information and he just proved to be unreliable in keeping secrets, so he would have to face some serious punishment in either prison or mind wipe
I mean I think his objective goal is to see the Kaylon destroyed. Which in his mind ensures a safer situation overall. So really I don't think he cared if he died as long as he knew the Kaylon follow him soon enough.
Guy couldn't have taken longer to go to quantum after undocking.
Parties are mere distractions from the relentlessness of entropy, We're all just corpses who haven't yet begun to decay. - Michael
Despite this betrayal it actually turned in favor of the Union as it resulted into the Kaylon joining them
Spoilers......
This is the biggest turning point for the Union, the moment they lost the weapon they immediately seek the Kaylon as temp allied to prevent total annihilation of Kaylon races. This leads the Kaylon to have a change of view in the biological which lead them to join the union as the new allies. Without Perry action Kaylon will still be a threat once they figure counter measure and now they also have to deal with Moclan x Krill allied.
Misguided, ironic, but not completely without admirable qualities.
Admiral Michael Becker Malone Perry.
Don’t forget Gulliver.
Gulliver is away on some travels or something.
Looking at the airlock door and the position it is in when it is closed, pointing slightly outward, it should open inward so when the passage is pressurized the pressure will hold the door shut by default and make its seal even better. As it is, the pressure will be trying to swing the door outward and the door mechanism will have to constantly work to keep the door shut so any atmosphere inside the passage would have to be evacuated before the door will open. That would be much safer for any personnel inside the passage doing maintenance, or whatever, until they are ready to use the airlock.
so you're a sci fi writer? do you have any engineering experience or common sense? no? good! oh theres this show called Star Trek Discovery that we need you for, too. but you have to hate good writing and sensible plot points. make it stupid!
@@thejamesasher
"so you're a sci fi writer? do you have any engineering experience or common sense? no? good! oh theres this show called Star Trek Discovery that we need you for, too. but you have to hate good writing and sensible plot points. make it stupid!"
Science fiction writer, no. Engineer, yes, both mechanical and electrical.
That outer airlock door is probably more than 100 inches in diameter. The pressure air pressure applies in measured in pounds per square inches. A 100 inch diameter door will have an area of approximately 157 inches.
If the atmospheric pressure inside the air lock when pressurized is close to the Earth's at sea level, which is approximately 14 pounds per square inch, that air lock door will have around 2,200 pounds of pressure pushing outwards on it.
That would mean that in order to keep the airlock door closed when the airlock is pressurized, the door mechanism will need to apply over 2,200 pounds of pressure to hold it shut to prevent explosive decompression.
If that door opened inward instead, then the airlock door mechanism would have to apply zero pounds of pressure to hold the airlock door shut since the 2,200 pounds of air pressure would be holding the airlock door shut very securely.
And when the airlock is depressurized so the shuttle can leave, there will be zero pressure holding the door shut and could be easily opened inward.
But I am certain that someone as smart as you already had the figured out. 🤣
1 Rule of Survival: Beware the Alien.
The mutant! The heretic!
Never relax....
I was sorry to see his character get killed off. The fact that he made that speech "I believe in the idealism of the Union, but my compatriots have made a grave mistake......" he made that speech with such conviction. Ted Danson's character was a traitor but he made it clear that he feared the threat of the Kaylon and felt that there was no way of peace between living lifeforms and artificial lifeforms. It is so ironic, that what he did created a chain of events that lead to peace between the Kaylon and the Union!!!!
Sent him straight to the Bad Place.
Unfortunately this created a small nitpick. When the Orville later arrives, Issac scans the debris and confirms Krill and Moclan weapons were used. Only the Krill ship fired. It was just a vehicle to get the revelation that they'd formed an alliance out, but it could have been all fixed with a special effect of the Moclan vessel firing as well.
Or they made a hybrid weapon
Or the Moclans had edited the Krill weapons using there knowledge of Union systems to make them more effective but to do so they had to add Moclan parts which then makes scans of the debris show Krill and Moclan weapon sgnatures
Greatest SciFi television series of all time
Agreed. Season 3 was the best so far.
Hit or miss. It's done some great tellings and retellings. I still prefer the balance of humor from seasons 1 and 2. Season 3 tries way too hard to be serious and it started feeling artificial
Question: was Admiral Perry right? Without the later sacrifices made the Kaylon would have remained convinced biologicals had to be destroyed. Their technology is so advanced it became inevitable that they would eventually find a way to counter the device. The Kaylon fleet was superior in every way, a long war could only end in Union defeat. So was Admiral Perry right???
He might be right, but he could also be wrong. Even if the genocide towards Kaylon happens though, I don't think that the Kaylon don't have any plan to at least preserve their data for later rebellion, this time with adamant belief that all biological beings are cruel and deserving of extermination. Violence will always have its way to come back and bite your ass.
Thus, I find it better for the Kaylon to be ally then to erase them. The Kaylon's advancement in technology could prove useful in the future.
Yeah I think he was right. Any weapon made a counter measure would be created. It was only a matter of time and time is what the Union was willing to give the Kaylon with a armistice.
I’d say right and wrong, right in the fact that the Kaylon could find a way to become immune to the weapon, especially if they studied up on Isaac. That said he was also wrong in that he decided to work with the Krill and Moclans considering how the former were enemies of the union to begin with and the latter recently became enemies. More then likely even if they did pull it off the Moclan weapon researchers would’ve found a way for it to affect certain biologicals after they wiped the Kaylon off
From a tactical point of view, Perry's assessment was sound. This move would have given the Union the best chance of survival, by facilitating genocide against the Kaylons. A violation of Union principles. Ironically, it was those principles which resolved the Kaylon conflict without exterminating them.
About the weapon yes. About its absolute necessity no.
When I watched this clip yesterday and heard this Moclan on board this Krill ship spoken the actor who played this Moclan his voice was familiar because that actor play a role in Star Trek Voyager and his name is Wren T. Brown and he played the Moclan captain Rechik and Ron Canada played Admiral Tucker and he is also a former Star Trek actor ☺ Wren T. Brown played Klingon captain Kohlar in Star Trek Voyager season 7 episode Prophecy ☺ It is cool to know other Star Trek actors and actresses have played a character in The Orville ☺
I did had to check before writting this comments if it was actor I thought it was ☺
As soon as he spoke, I heard it. "I will meet this CHIEF... engineer."
@@AdmiralKarelia
JANEWAY: The treaty, for one thing. I'll give you access to our database show you I'm telling the truth.
KOHLAR [on viewscreen]: Databases can be falsified.
JANEWAY: I have a Klingon serving aboard this ship.
KOHLAR [on viewscreen]: Impossible.
JANEWAY: She's my Chief Engineer.
KOHLAR [on viewscreen]: I will meet this Chief Engineer.
JANEWAY: We'd be honoured to have you as our guest.
@@haakonstenseth another fun little factoid, the tense music in the background of that scene is a variation of the theme from DS9's "Tacking Into The Wind" that plays when Worf fights and kills Gowron.
Did... Did they seriously use anti ship gun for small crafts? Or are those flak batteries?
Why leave any chance that the ship would survive? If a small gun was used and only damaged the shuttle but allowed it to go to quantum, Perry could’ve escaped and warned the Union about the Moclan/Krill alliance.
Better to just overkill it and blast it with one of the main guns.
The shuttle’s shielding could probably handle a few hits from smaller fire, giving him enough time to escape into quantum.
So that’s how he ended up in the good place lmao😂
This reminds me quote #116 from "Art of Worldly Wisdom" by Balthazar Gracian:
Only act with Honourable Men. You can trust them and they you. Their honour is the best surety of their behaviour even in misunderstandings, for they always act having regard to what they are. Hence it is better to have a dispute with honourable people than to have a victory over dishonourable ones. You cannot treat with the ruined, for they have no hostages for rectitude. With them there is no true friendship, and their agreements are not binding, however stringent they may appear, because they have no feeling of honour. Never have to do with such men, for if honour does not restrain a man, virtue will not, since honour is the throne of rectitude.
It's easy to say that, but determining who is and isn't honorable is the tricky part, especially since people often do not have the same standards as to what is and isn't honorable.
@@toddsmitts Only way is to lookat their actions and try to judge by them. Unfortunately
those new shuttles look so fricken sweet
All these Ted Fanson references 😂
I like this scene because he wasn't, like, enslaved in a krill prison or maybe miraculously survived to be seen again, an admiral was straight up exploded by a giant artillery laser in the vacuum of space
As always the ships in this show can only fire forward, and WHY did he wait SO long to go to Quantum?
Ted Danson was perfect for this.
If the admiral didn’t say he was gonna turn himself in, he probably would’ve been fine.
He also doomed his entire crew. All spaceships made to travel the galaxys sire need more than one person...
Shuttle.
He used a shuttle. One person can pilot those.
One of the best Sci fi shows. To bad there isn’t a season 4
Not yet.
One EMP xould probably take the Kaylon out, but i like this scene and see why so many liked the new season.
Tickles my schadenfreude!
Hmm! If this Chancellor of the Krill is as ruthless as I suspect her to be! Admiral Perry is not going to be long for this world!
I really wish this show had gotten a few more seasons, but apparently MacFarlane didn't write episodes fast enough and all the cast had to move on. Would have been nice to tie up some of the ongoing storylines.
Not what happened here but you know what would have been super ironic? If he had EXPECTED them to kill him and WANTED it as his only alternative was prison for the remainder of his life and then they REALLY DO LET HIM GO and he is unhappy about it and is angry at them for not killing him like he expected. That would actually have been kind of funny.
He died with his Thirty Pieces Of Silver to pay the devil!
I think he was prepared to pay.
I'm sorry, what gain do you think he was getting out of giving a weapon to an enemy to fight an enemy? He's about as un-Judas as you can get.
The thirty pieces silver is a reference to betraying someone out of greed. He did so out of a belief his actions were justified. He would be a good example of the road to Hell is paved with good intentions though.
Did he honestly believe they would just let him leave after handing over all of his leverage? Why didn’t he tell them that he had the only manual in existence and he’d send it to them as soon as he got to earth?
Probably not but in his eyes giving weapon to deal with existential threat was only way and was prepared to die for it. In hindsight when we know plot it was treason but logically at that time you have army on robots on they way to exterminate everyone and you have weapon that can defeat enemy but nobody wants to use it because of "principles" but are in timer when it stops work so what do you do, give it somebody who want use it. At that point it was right decision to do and this trope of rather die then betray morals and ethics is getting old if. If you die all your principles etc. means nothing but if you survive then you can do some good later. Get blown to smithereens is easy but make hard decisions live with it and do the work is hard. Not mentioning not all union individuals share same sentiment to die at that hill just because.
Honestly, he knew death was likely but was willing to give up his life to safeguard the Union.
He was too blinded by his hatred for the Kaylon to realize the real threat
If she didn't want him to know about her new alliance, then why did she meet him next to the other ship?
PERRY THE PLATYPUS?
Why not just take him prisoner?
I wonder what his very last thought was
“Well. It’s over”
Never forgive him for stealing cherl from larry David
Never Deal with the Devil
He gets exactly as he deserves.
This is why never trust a xeno
Can we get help from the calivon they could wipe the moclans and krill out with no effert
That's what you get cause ya basic.
Hahaha sorry guys but the weapon don't work 😁
A great show that should have been better funded.
BOOM!
No, not Admiral Danson!
Why did you bypass the language filter? Why not just improve your vocabulary?
They allied with the moclans who don't exactly like females and the krill have a female leader
Moclans don’t mind females in general, they just refuse to admit their own species has any. Plus, as he said, friends were hard to find at that point
Hear me out
i watched this when it came out and i dont remember the cgi being this terrible lol
What a Waste
Perry was right