That helix maneuver is a very effective thing. I would use it 20 years ago in a space sim game called "Jumpgate". Continuously adjusting two axes of heading with a combination of pitch and roll while subject to drift is _very_ hard to predict your shots against, even though the pattern is a simple corkscrew. Having the radius expand like Gordon suggested would make it even more difficult, just of a limited duration.
That's a good point. But I think every species in The Orville is kind of a remix of Star Trek's different characteristics. Moclans are like the Klingons when the Klingons are allies to the Federation. Brutals and attached to their traditions. Kaylons are the big cybernetic threat that's looming over everyone, like the Borg. Krills are a kind of mashup between every Trek "recurring villains". -Religious & warlike like the Klingons and Jem'Hadar -Cunning, dark & "politicians" like the Romulans -Business oriented like the Ferengi (The Ferengi were only seen as such for a short time but still) -Deeply xenophobic like the Cardassians. But each of these elements is reorganized, reforged and reused in different ways. Spoiler alert for the remaining part of this comment: Like the alliances of the show. Moclans being kicked out of the unions, going on to rejoin the Krill in an alliance, and then the Union finding common ground with the Kaylon.
As Del Cox said it is a, "Continuously adjusting two axes of heading with a combination of pitch and roll while subject to drift is very hard to predict your shots against, even though the pattern is a simple corkscrew. Having the radius expand like Gordon suggested would make it even more difficult, just of a limited duration."
it wasn't just spinning, and was actually pretty clever. He was spinning and expanding the rotation of the ship's spin. So, they would avoid the fire of anything targeting where they had been. It wouldn't work for very long, as it would quickly become predictable, however, for a short fight, yeah, it would be handy. Of course, this wouldn't work on anything flying in an atmosphere as you're just asking for atmospheric friction to rip your vehicle apart.
They have torpedoes, but yeah, all factions in the Orville universe had forward facing gimbled (or otherwise vectored) guns. Guess they decided that in space, you don't need to put big guns on a turret, you just put on even bigger guns, cos the ship is the turret.
Good scene. Good moment of humor from Gordon. Good development for Taleya. Loved her in seasons 1 and 2. Wasn't entirely surprised that things would end up like this but the alternative where they make peace and make googoo would be lame unless they had something big.
One thing I like about Taleya is that she’s repeatedly consistent. I find her views abhorrent, but I fully believe that she believes she is in the right and she’s not just being evil for the sake of being evil. Brilliant actress and character. Having rewatched this episode last night, I really liked how complex her relationship with Mercer and their daughter is. She evidently cares for both to the point she doesn’t want them dead, but also despised what they represent. That’s a wonderfully complex villain.
I appreciate "Ready [X!]" "Please confirm." "Confirmed." "I'm on it!" ... I don't care for trope of having an exposition dump in the middle of an emergency.
That expanding Helix reminds me of flying through the asteroidn fields in the space game I used to play, I think it was space commander? Anyway, the asteroid's always flu directly at you but if you aren't looking at them they didn't exist so the trick to get through the field quickly was continually rotate your field of view so they would never reach you.
I don’t think the union will go into war with the krill. I think they will find another way to make peace with the krill because I figuring it out while I was watching the trailer
@@trueheart5666 Moclans, "What will you do if the Kaylon attack again!" Union, "We'll be right by their side," Moclans, "Wait what? That's not what we(explodes)
I have a feeling that in season 4 the union and kaylon will launch a massive invasion on Krill so Ed mercrer can get back his daughter and shutdown Avis rule once and for all
"Space....The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Orville. Its continuing mission: To continue the sci-fi adventures inspired by Gene Roddenberry's visions. To seek first contacts with strange new aliens and civilizations. To boldly go where no 'Nu Trek' has gone before!"
@Gul Madred DS9 isn't really Bermans baby, and although Strange New World is better then any other new Trek show it is not Roddenberrys Vision. In parts it is but just as much as the Orville is. The allegory and overall intelligence is still missing for the most part, which is present in the Orville. I enjoyed SNW but judging by the countless Roddenberry interviews he would probably preferer The Orville over SNW.
Looks like Gordon has been playing a series of PC-games from the late 20th Century called "Star Wars: X-Wing". However, in these games, the maneuver was called "Corkscrew Avoid" or "Wotan Weave". ;-)
Love the Orville. They do a great job on battle scenes like this. I only wish they hadn’t followed the TNG template so closely with everyone always flying the ships by pushing lots of buttons.
@A Shot of Hennessy at least that would make more sense. Even the space shuttle has a steering mechanism. I mean, what are these buttons? Left, right, up, down, spin, reverse, sideways? If that’s how it works then intuitive piloting takes a quantum leap backwards in the future.
@@nel1962 They're probably really clever, doing things we haven't the wit to understand. Well that's what I have to assume to maintain my suspension of disbelief.
@A Shot of Hennessy I would like full body couches where the navigator handles the ship in a fully rotating mechanism. They would have elbow/knee length enclosures that allow for direct control of engines and maneuvering thrusters and keep the navigator aligned with the ship's external sensor views. The rest of the crew should be in similar couches that keep them aligned with their stations. But I also can't watch this show except for on TH-cam so the extent of their artificial gravity systems is unknown to me.
They were being chased. It’s pretty hard to make sense of space fights when there’s no….up or down, that’s why some shots will have a planet in the background
it got -far- more serious and ore narratively focused but with excellent dashes of humor instead of the tone-deaf ones from s1. Think if galaxy quest was a series.
@@MrRODNEY44 , the Death Blossom? Try looking up The Last Starfighter. The only media to pull something close was Babylon 5, but that's because their ships actually flew by space science rules and not sci-fi rules.
@@nickpossum3607 yeah the death blossom maneuver spinning on all axis firing all weapons ( point cannons/death blossom torpedoes ) in continuous random pattern untill all energy is expended the last starfighter used that maneuver but was drained until pilot used reserve energy bypass to keep going the only problem with this is a really short range attack and you are a sitting duck in the middle given your shields can absorb all damage and pray no friendlies are in the line of fire
@@nickpossum3607 thanks XD was actually one of my favorite first science fiction movies to be honest :D pity they never followed on it because in a sense the story was kind of over :/
Hmmm.....logic gap. Bortus feel not well because of the turnings. But in sci-fi-movies starhips have an "intertial damper" to evade that all crewmember get smashed around in the bridge without saftey-belts. If the "inertial damper" works - bortus should have no problem with sharp turnings. If there is no "inertial-damper" all crewmembers without saftey belt should be flying in the air when sharp turning the ship.
I think it's the fact that inertial-dampers didn't filter out everything...so they can still barely feel it which is likely, especially with how most hits makes the ship shake that and well bortus is the comedic relief.
Its not just inertia from that motion, its also because of spinning image he has seen before him, it seems they did not stabilised their main screen vision, so motion sickness like you can get from VR.
I feel like Gordon should be too busy to notice the Krill fighters. It should really have been Bortus who mentioned the deployment of the fighters (since he isn't trying to fly the ship and all that). Now it just makes it seem like Gordon had extra time on his hands and wasn't actually giving his all.
one of the biggest flaws I notice in ship design. Only can attack things in front. Missiles help a bit but all main weapons are forward facing rather than a pintle mounted gun
This is a show called the Orville, similar to Stark Trek but with a bit more humor yet a smart writing that manges to discuss nuance topics in an interesting way. Recommend it.
For all the show’s strengths, I’ve never been a fan of the space battles. The ships fly around and shoot like giant fighters and in bigger engagements it’s just a giant soup of stuff happening. I could understand it when the show was trying to be more of a comedy, but I’m really disappointed they doubled down on it.
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They are more like Dominion and Cardassians , Krill has their own religion, the sun can hurt them and they are xenophobic those are only similarities otherwise Krill is a pretty original race!
@@mikcnmvedmsfonoteka Exactly. Krill is more like the Dominion with their looks similar to Jem'Hadar soldiers and a fanatical religious devotion similar to how the Dominion worship the Founders as their gods. Difference is the Krill based their belief in a holy scripture/book of Anhkana, while the Dominion belief in living shape shifters called the Founders.
@@Gothic7876 Not at all. The great actors on that show are Macon and Penny Johnson (Gerald?). I would say that Grimes is also. Mark Jackson plays his part well. Winters was probably the worst, but so is Palecki. I think there's widespread agreement that McFarlane is a bad actor. I think Morgan is a bad actor, but it's impossible to know because his character is so superficial. I also thought Macon was a bad actor until recently. Grimes is absolutely miscast. He should be leading the show over McFarlane. Jackson is also misscast as this ridiculous love interest. And Macon is in this ridiculous suit and has to play this stiff character. So everything is backwards on the show. Part of the problem is that it was comedic show in the beginning and so people were cast and the characters were drawn in that fashion. And so it's all backwards.
I hope you are trolling. First Officer? White Human Female. Chief Medical Officer? Black Human Female. Chief of Security? White Xelyan Female. Chief of Engineering? Black Human Male. Chief of Tactical Operations? Moclan Male. Who is played by a black male actor. A good chunk of the bridge staff is pretty diverse.
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"Expanding helix" looks like how I desperately attempt to survive every dogfight in War Thunder.
Until you make a critical error and end up flat-spinning
@@weirdassenbychild7452 I don't normally survive long enough to flat spin XD
Imagine making evasive maneuvers.
*This post was made by pilot sniped gang*
It works in No man's sky
that maneuver has saved my ass more times than i can count in No Man Sky
That helix maneuver is a very effective thing. I would use it 20 years ago in a space sim game called "Jumpgate". Continuously adjusting two axes of heading with a combination of pitch and roll while subject to drift is _very_ hard to predict your shots against, even though the pattern is a simple corkscrew. Having the radius expand like Gordon suggested would make it even more difficult, just of a limited duration.
but it has to be limited because inertial dampeners struggle to handle it in orvile
Works in X-Com Inteceptor and Freespace 2 as well
possibly an expanding and contracting helix could mean longer duration?
strafe to the win since x-beyond the frontier
@@majstealth Another man of culture
I always thought that the Krill reminded me of Star Trek DS9's Jem'Hadar.
And their ships remained me of Star Trek TNG’s Romulan Warbirds
Same. I think it's the lines and the green colors used.
Excellent comparison.
It all feels like a Star Trek fan film. I couldn’t ever get into it
That's a good point. But I think every species in The Orville is kind of a remix of Star Trek's different characteristics.
Moclans are like the Klingons when the Klingons are allies to the Federation. Brutals and attached to their traditions.
Kaylons are the big cybernetic threat that's looming over everyone, like the Borg.
Krills are a kind of mashup between every Trek "recurring villains".
-Religious & warlike like the Klingons and Jem'Hadar
-Cunning, dark & "politicians" like the Romulans
-Business oriented like the Ferengi (The Ferengi were only seen as such for a short time but still)
-Deeply xenophobic like the Cardassians.
But each of these elements is reorganized, reforged and reused in different ways.
Spoiler alert for the remaining part of this comment:
Like the alliances of the show. Moclans being kicked out of the unions, going on to rejoin the Krill in an alliance, and then the Union finding common ground with the Kaylon.
With every episode this show gets better and better. Brilliant work Seth and team restoring my faith in good sci-fi.
that expanding helix is actually a barrel roll mixed with a normal roll.
As Del Cox said it is a, "Continuously adjusting two axes of heading with a combination of pitch and roll while subject to drift is very hard to predict your shots against, even though the pattern is a simple corkscrew. Having the radius expand like Gordon suggested would make it even more difficult, just of a limited duration."
@@David-jt9nt not shure but its possible somneone flew it at least once with a plane.
@@Irobert1115HD a few ww2 German aces in BF-109s near the end of the war did it but they couldn't hold it for more than 9 seconds without blacking out
@@David-jt9nt easy to understand why.
"I'll try spinning. That's a good trick!"
It WORKED, didn’t it!?
@@michaelhuynh4953 I mean, it worked for Anakin too, so I wasn't saying it wouldn't work either.
it wasn't just spinning, and was actually pretty clever. He was spinning and expanding the rotation of the ship's spin. So, they would avoid the fire of anything targeting where they had been. It wouldn't work for very long, as it would quickly become predictable, however, for a short fight, yeah, it would be handy. Of course, this wouldn't work on anything flying in an atmosphere as you're just asking for atmospheric friction to rip your vehicle apart.
My only issue with the Union ships is they all have fixed forward facing plasma cannons, no torpedoes or turreted plasma cannons
They actually do have torpedoes. 4 for facing tubes and two rear chase tubes.
Torpedos were offline because they were hit.
They have torpedoes, but yeah, all factions in the Orville universe had forward facing gimbled (or otherwise vectored) guns.
Guess they decided that in space,
you don't need to put big guns on a turret,
you just put on even bigger guns, cos the ship is the turret.
Good scene. Good moment of humor from Gordon. Good development for Taleya. Loved her in seasons 1 and 2. Wasn't entirely surprised that things would end up like this but the alternative where they make peace and make googoo would be lame unless they had something big.
One thing I like about Taleya is that she’s repeatedly consistent. I find her views abhorrent, but I fully believe that she believes she is in the right and she’s not just being evil for the sake of being evil. Brilliant actress and character. Having rewatched this episode last night, I really liked how complex her relationship with Mercer and their daughter is. She evidently cares for both to the point she doesn’t want them dead, but also despised what they represent. That’s a wonderfully complex villain.
Awesome. Very good episode. Twists. They didn't take the easy way out.
I appreciate "Ready [X!]" "Please confirm." "Confirmed." "I'm on it!" ... I don't care for trope of having an exposition dump in the middle of an emergency.
"I'll try spinning! That's a good trick." (Some things, Anakin was right about.)
Love the hooded green guy with the evil smile and claw hands @10 secs!!
That expanding Helix reminds me of flying through the asteroidn fields in the space game I used to play, I think it was space commander? Anyway, the asteroid's always flu directly at you but if you aren't looking at them they didn't exist so the trick to get through the field quickly was continually rotate your field of view so they would never reach you.
Bortis shouldn't have had breakfast.
YEAHHH..lol
That was 🤣
This episode ended my hopes of seeing Krill on Union vessels and Union personnel working on Krill ships
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0:50 Palpatine vibes
slowly listing to the left works every time for the Falcon
I don’t think the union will go into war with the krill. I think they will find another way to make peace with the krill because I figuring it out while I was watching the trailer
well they stabbed the president, blew up a bunch of union ships and attempted to execute the ambassadors. Pretty sure this is full out war.
Did you watch this episode? After everyone is safe, Admiral Halsey tells Ed the Union declared war while they were imprisoned.
The Krill and Moclan are now in war with the Union and Kaylon. Lolol
@@trueheart5666 Moclans, "What will you do if the Kaylon attack again!"
Union, "We'll be right by their side,"
Moclans, "Wait what? That's not what we(explodes)
I have a feeling that in season 4 the union and kaylon will launch a massive invasion on Krill so Ed mercrer can get back his daughter and shutdown Avis rule once and for all
"Space....The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Orville. Its continuing mission: To continue the sci-fi adventures inspired by Gene Roddenberry's visions. To seek first contacts with strange new aliens and civilizations. To boldly go where no 'Nu Trek' has gone before!"
@Gul Madred DS9 isn't really Bermans baby, and although Strange New World is better then any other new Trek show it is not Roddenberrys Vision. In parts it is but just as much as the Orville is. The allegory and overall intelligence is still missing for the most part, which is present in the Orville. I enjoyed SNW but judging by the countless Roddenberry interviews he would probably preferer The Orville over SNW.
Boo hoo, we now see a specimen of a hater of New Trek. ;(
Brilliant
@@Persian-Immortal Thanks.
Do you post this in every Orville video? I have seen this or something similar to it many times now.
Looks like Gordon has been playing a series of PC-games from the late 20th Century called "Star Wars: X-Wing".
However, in these games, the maneuver was called "Corkscrew Avoid" or "Wotan Weave". ;-)
Orville is a modern copy of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Red alert. Tractor beams. Even got an android.
When in trouble, roll away
What exactly IS directive 21?
Love the Orville. They do a great job on battle scenes like this. I only wish they hadn’t followed the TNG template so closely with everyone always flying the ships by pushing lots of buttons.
@A Shot of Hennessy at least that would make more sense. Even the space shuttle has a steering mechanism. I mean, what are these buttons? Left, right, up, down, spin, reverse, sideways? If that’s how it works then intuitive piloting takes a quantum leap backwards in the future.
@@nel1962 They're probably really clever, doing things we haven't the wit to understand. Well that's what I have to assume to maintain my suspension of disbelief.
@A Shot of Hennessy I would like full body couches where the navigator handles the ship in a fully rotating mechanism. They would have elbow/knee length enclosures that allow for direct control of engines and maneuvering thrusters and keep the navigator aligned with the ship's external sensor views. The rest of the crew should be in similar couches that keep them aligned with their stations. But I also can't watch this show except for on TH-cam so the extent of their artificial gravity systems is unknown to me.
I'm sure at one point after the initial breaking free they were behind the 3 ships and then flew past them to be in front. Why did they do that?
They were being chased. It’s pretty hard to make sense of space fights when there’s no….up or down, that’s why some shots will have a planet in the background
What? Don't we currently have a Kaylon problem to take care of?
Yep. Unfortunately the new leader of the Krill has other plans and is going to screw everyone over.
@@Yasuda9000 *UNBE-FUCKIN-LIEVABLE*
Thank you for the laugh, helix maneuver guy.
Are they still angry about that "Annie" performance?
In retrospect they should have gone with Oklahoma ;)
This clip makes me want to consider watching this show. 😁
and apparently stresses their inertial dampeners to the point where they can't entirely keep up, judging by Bortus' reaction.
You should it's basically The Next Generation + humor.
Why are the ships so maneuverable? That's a LOT of mass pulling hairpin turns without shearing itself in half.
Because it's future tech.
The ships have to be gelatinous and yet as strong as titanium, probably they find some such element in some other planet.
Good pilots always seem to love spinning 😂
That felt very star fox 64 to me.
He ahhh did a barrel roll!!!
Is this still a comedy show like the first few episodes or did it move more into the serious ?
it got -far- more serious and ore narratively focused but with excellent dashes of humor instead of the tone-deaf ones from s1. Think if galaxy quest was a series.
@@johncarsun awesome I definitely will check this out thanks
Yes indeed, what Star Trek should have been.
Thanks to Seth and everyone that made it possible for actual StarTrek to make a comeback.
Let's try spinning that's a neat trick
"Let's try Spinning, that's a good trick!"
What's next, the Death Blossom maneuver?
WHAT THE HELL IS THAT ?
@@MrRODNEY44 , the Death Blossom?
Try looking up The Last Starfighter. The only media to pull something close was Babylon 5, but that's because their ships actually flew by space science rules and not sci-fi rules.
@@nickpossum3607 yeah the death blossom maneuver spinning on all axis firing all weapons ( point cannons/death blossom torpedoes ) in continuous random pattern untill all energy is expended the last starfighter used that maneuver but was drained until pilot used reserve energy bypass to keep going the only problem with this is a really short range attack and you are a sitting duck in the middle given your shields can absorb all damage and pray no friendlies are in the line of fire
@@gamerelite3989 , a very accurate description.
I personally couldn't put into words that scene of pure 'Freak You!' attitude.
@@nickpossum3607 thanks XD was actually one of my favorite first science fiction movies to be honest :D pity they never followed on it because in a sense the story was kind of over :/
Hmmm.....logic gap.
Bortus feel not well because of the turnings. But in sci-fi-movies starhips have an "intertial damper" to evade that all crewmember get smashed around in the bridge without saftey-belts. If the "inertial damper" works - bortus should have no problem with sharp turnings.
If there is no "inertial-damper" all crewmembers without saftey belt should be flying in the air when sharp turning the ship.
I think it's the fact that inertial-dampers didn't filter out everything...so they can still barely feel it which is likely, especially with how most hits makes the ship shake that and well bortus is the comedic relief.
Its not just inertia from that motion, its also because of spinning image he has seen before him, it seems they did not stabilised their main screen vision, so motion sickness like you can get from VR.
@@belisarian6429 this explaination i find better^^
I think they wear seat belts
@@belisarian6429 the ships wouldn't be spinning that quickly though, it would be akin to spinning a sky scrapper.
They should have done the best maneuver there is the "Listing lazily to the left".
"spin to win" :P
what the .... is directive 21 ???
I feel like Gordon should be too busy to notice the Krill fighters. It should really have been Bortus who mentioned the deployment of the fighters (since he isn't trying to fly the ship and all that).
Now it just makes it seem like Gordon had extra time on his hands and wasn't actually giving his all.
Imagine flying and suddenly there's something in the way. He's the one watching the "Road". Bortus is watching the enemies.
Helix manuver!!! What the hell happen to the people in the engines room
from what episode is this ?
I know about that but there is still a possibility because of Anaya since she is half human half krill.
Don’t loose hope. Because Star Trek never lost hope with negotiating a peace treaty with there enemies
The capture of chancellor teleya is a major victory for the union to finally make peace with the krill
directive 21 is ...... Escape ?!?
Krill need to chill.
Nice no shooting behind like mines lasers?
one of the biggest flaws I notice in ship design. Only can attack things in front. Missiles help a bit but all main weapons are forward facing rather than a pintle mounted gun
That....was....cool
What am I watching, Star Trek?
Idk I got recommended this out of literal nowhere
Star Trek's successor, unlike the new ones. This one is actually good Star Trek show. ❤️
This is a show called the Orville, similar to Stark Trek but with a bit more humor yet a smart writing that manges to discuss nuance topics in an interesting way. Recommend it.
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Well the Orville can be ham fisted with its preaching, the show itself is fantastic
For does that know star fox do a barrel roll.
今シリーズでは、エンタープライズ号のデザインが変わりすぎてて、初めて観た人間には、どれが主人公の艦で、どれが敵艦なのか、パッと身分かりづらいですぬ。
確かに、エンタープライズ号のデザインは、すごく今風に洗練されてるけど、親しみ易さと言う点では、個人的にはイマイチな感じがします🐻🎄
It's not Star Trek and that's not the Enterprise
LOL They stole the Borg tractor beam effect 😅
Copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a...
And the Borg stole the Enterprises and painted it green.
So what warship only has guns on the front of their ships? Just dump!
0:52 he said "sir"
Basic decorum in a chain of command is to refer to your co as sir unless they state otherwise.
which is the standard answer to a superior in a military setting
Yes he did
Missile need
For all the show’s strengths, I’ve never been a fan of the space battles. The ships fly around and shoot like giant fighters and in bigger engagements it’s just a giant soup of stuff happening. I could understand it when the show was trying to be more of a comedy, but I’m really disappointed they doubled down on it.
A shame for you, because many people enjoy space battles and it only helps to improve the show's overall appeal to audiences.
The acting is a bit weird, but aside from that it looks good.
Somehow that reminded me if you type: Do a barrel roll
In Chrome an press enter the screen will do just that.
Sir
Mostly likely Romulan ships those are
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why call the women "sir"?
no full episode dont under stand the story line thumbs down
So this is like a Copy of Klingons and Romulans in one? They can’t be original?
Dude, what are you even talking about? lol
NOT EVEN CLOSE...STOP HATING
They are more like Dominion and Cardassians , Krill has their own religion, the sun can hurt them and they are xenophobic those are only similarities otherwise Krill is a pretty original race!
@@mikcnmvedmsfonoteka Exactly. Krill is more like the Dominion with their looks similar to Jem'Hadar soldiers and a fanatical religious devotion similar to how the Dominion worship the Founders as their gods. Difference is the Krill based their belief in a holy scripture/book of Anhkana, while the Dominion belief in living shape shifters called the Founders.
go home, you're drunk
This crew is so miscast. God help us when the Mouse takes over completely.
...what?
@@royce9018 Mouse as in Mickey Mouse ! Disney!
@@LSOK38 the miscast part… lol
How?
Oh let me guess, the bridge staff isn’t just white males with one token women and one token minority?
@@Gothic7876
Not at all. The great actors on that show are Macon and Penny Johnson (Gerald?). I would say that Grimes is also. Mark Jackson plays his part well.
Winters was probably the worst, but so is Palecki. I think there's widespread agreement that McFarlane is a bad actor. I think Morgan is a bad actor, but it's impossible to know because his character is so superficial. I also thought Macon was a bad actor until recently.
Grimes is absolutely miscast. He should be leading the show over McFarlane. Jackson is also misscast as this ridiculous love interest. And Macon is in this ridiculous suit and has to play this stiff character.
So everything is backwards on the show. Part of the problem is that it was comedic show in the beginning and so people were cast and the characters were drawn in that fashion. And so it's all backwards.
what the fuck is this? the bad ripoff of a bad star trek reinvent (discovery) based on a franchise that is actually good?
It's a comedy show influence by pre-STD Star Trek.
Some people say it's has better Star Trek feel than STD and Picard...
We need more diversity, this show is just another patriarchal whyte supremacy play.
I hope you are trolling.
First Officer? White Human Female.
Chief Medical Officer? Black Human Female.
Chief of Security? White Xelyan Female.
Chief of Engineering? Black Human Male.
Chief of Tactical Operations? Moclan Male. Who is played by a black male actor.
A good chunk of the bridge staff is pretty diverse.
@@Gothic7876 still not enough.
lmfao good one 😂
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Why wasn't he hugging the donkey?! The helix manuever was ok though.
What exactly is directive 21?