I find flying scary as a passenger because I know if I'm in a crash I'll probably die. I'm not a good passenger in a car either despite the fact that I raced cars for years when I was in my twenties (I'm 68 now). I don't like not being the driver ( I think "driving" an aircraft would be too much for me though ! ) When I raced cars I was in many crashes, probably 30-40 over the years but I was never badly hurt, apart from a whiplash neck injury. I still find it difficult to fly though, even though I know it's statistically very safe, certainly a lot safer than racing cars, or even driving on the roads. I feel relaxed driving a car but nervous as a passenger in an aircraft (or car).
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I love how even the pilots were shocked the engine was completely gone after they had landed, meanwhile the passenger had little to no expression of fear as the engine abruptly falls off the wing.
to be fair, from a physics perspective you wouldn't expect the rudder alone to be enough to handle the force imbalance without miraculous safety margins, given that half the empty weight of a given aircraft are the engines, which would mean the center of mass shifted toward the working engine which would decrease the efficiency of the rudder. Ultimately, as much as the crews of the incident deserve credit for their exceptional reactions, there wouldn't have been any chance if the engineers who designed the airframe weren't extremely competent, and the company willing to pay the price of higher safety margins.
@@DSiren although this comment doesn't have a direction relation to what I said, yes, aerospace engineers and designers are obviously competent. Chances are if they weren't, that engine would have fallen off a long time ago. The fact this plane managed to go so long without any proper maintenance shows.
@@DSiren it's hard to say for sure without actually doing the math or running a simulation, but in my mind shifting the center of mass towards the working engine should in theory reduce the induced yaw caused by the thrust imbalance just as much as it would reduce rudder authority. effectively, the handling of the aircraft would not change much in this situation, but in reality things are obviously a lot more complex, i.e. an engine falling off would also have severe consequences for aerodynamics.
Sensible behaviour You don't want mass panic in the cabin. You can't do anything useful, meanwhile someone up front is trying to keep it flying. Don't rock the boat.
The captain really was an amazing pilot. He recognized instantly that while he could adjust to the situation, the first officer had already done so. I think a lot of captains, given the situation, would want to take control due to their experience and responsibility as PIC. So for him to say "nope, youve already got this" is a step that i think a lot of people would have trouble doing, in all sorts of situations
Proof of the saying, "A little humility goes a long way." In this case, the humility to say to the green kid, "You know how this handles, you fly," went all the way to landing safely on the runway.
But yet also very smart of him to request controls once in advance. SHOULD anything happen so that he needed to take over controls on final, he would've at least known what to expect.
@@MrInitialMan The captain deserved his award, for taking the correct action. Had the airline not have failed, I am sure that the first officer would have been rewarded by a fairly quick promotion.
Captain Mentour! I am a US CFI and an airline pilot such as yourself! I recently had to use the Engine Fire/Severe Damage/Separation checklist for real and hustled to get the B737NG on the ground. The cabin crew reported a fire but we did not have a fire indication in the cockpit. I was questioned as to why I hurried to return, and during the inquiry, I showed them this very video. This put a different perspective on my own incident. Thank you for your outstanding content. I teach PPL to ATP and CFI in GA aircraft, as well as Dispatch at Global Aviation Training Academy. Your material is FIRST RATE! Thank you, Captain, for your valuable contributions to CRM and all of us in aviation who are always learning! Very Respectfully, Dave, CFI/ATP/airplanes and helicopters 26,000 hours and still learning!
Returning for safety isnt 'no reason'. It is the ultimate responsibility of the pilot to reject flight or terminate flight if they deem it unsafe to fly. @Ian-lh9di
Just wow. The amount of times pilots bring home their crippled aircraft safely without the passengers ever knowing their lives were in danger is unreal. What a First Officer so young, so inexperienced, but flew like a veteran. A great story Captain Petter, I always love the one's with a happy ending.
I'm pretty sure these passengers knew their lives were in danger. The engine was gone! Fuel and hydraulic fluid were streaming out of a gaping hole in the wing.
@@operator8014 Wasn't talking about maintenance, I was praising pilots for getting their aircraft safely on the ground. Lack of Maintenace caused the issue, but that's a different subject altogether.
@@kathleenegan6658 one passenger didn't think so, as was mentioned on the video he told a fellow passenger "Don't worry these aircraft are designed to fly on one engine.
Thanks for pointing out the workers on the ground. People forget that without those folks, you've got no runway to land on. Not just literally like here, but in so many pieces of life. Without the people who do the dirty work, there's no canvas to demonstrate heroism, or greatness. We need these people. They are not expendable, they are not the bottom rung, in the sense that they aren't valuable. They are the bottom rung in the sense that they are foundational.
@@MentourPilotHey, Mentour, great video as usual! The plane that landed immediately after, you didn't tell us how it managed to miss the debris on the runway altogether. A great deal of luck or was it that the engine fell too far up the runway that this plane landed and left the runway before getting to the debris?
@@charisma-hornum-friesAgree 100%. They deserve so much more in terms of recognition and pay. I once underwent surgery and while recovering in the hospital I talked to the woman who cleaned the rooms. She only had 8 minutes to clean one room including the bathroom. That's bonkers! And she didn't get any recognition and of course, her pay was low. But her work is so essential, literally, especially in a hospital with all these sick people and fresh wounds and germs... Despite the bad working conditions she still did her best and even started work early to get everything finished, so she also worked for free one hour in the morning. I still think of her from time to time, she deserved so much better. Yes, surgeons and pilots and such are important and their skills are impressive. But to recognize those who make this even possible, is so important as well. For all of us.
A frightening incident, plus skilled airmanship, great teamwork, and a happy outcome = my favorite kind of aviation incident! Analysis by Petter makes it also my favorite kind of aviation video. The contrast between the by-the-book, skilled, and professional conduct of the pilots and the shocking negligence of the airline operations on the ground couldn't be greater.
I’m reminded of “the front fell off” skit now. lol “I don’t want people thinking it’s unsafe. We have strict engineering standards to avoid this” “Like what?” “The front isn’t supposed to fall off, for one.” ;p
This happened to me, on Dec. 5th, 1987, while I was flying as captain on a B-737-200, US Air Flt 224, just after takeoff from KPHL. The rear cone bolt failed, and the safety cable failed also, allowing the rear portion of the engine to pitch down 30 degrees, and severing fuel and system A hydraulic lines. Shortly thereafter, after reducing speed, the forward cone bolts failed, and the engine completely separated, falling away from the aircraft. A portion of the engine fairing struck the vertical stabilizer. As a result of this incident, the term “separation” was added to the “Engine Fire, Severe Damage, ‘Separation’” Checklist. Pulling the associated fire handle was key to shutting off fuel to prevent a potentially fatal outcome. The standby electric flap system only allowed extending the flaps to 10 degrees, instead of the desired 15 degree flap setting. We landed uneventfully after completing several Non-Normal Checklists. Captain Gary Skogebo, US Airways, Ret.
You would be a good person to ask this: The video mentions how the crew was concerned about having braking, given damage to the hydraulic system(s). Does the Classic not have brake accumulators, good for at least a few press/release cycles? I assume that at least some sort of backup would be a certification requirement for a Part 25 aircraft. Oh, and were you aware that a full separation had occurred? A call from the tower? Alerted by the cabin crew?
24:07 Very cool that the inexperienced pilot controlled the plane so well and the experienced pilot returned the control to him when it felt squirrely for him.
@@dans_Learning_Curve Absolutely agreed. This captain did not feel "he knew better" but returned control to a pilot half his age without delay. And this new copilot steered the plane with passion, if you will, and certainly knew what he was doing. However, I absolutely do support the captain for taking the controls in order to "feel the problem" in the first place. I have no issue with that at all.
When the aircraft safely touched down and rolled to a stop without need for evacuation, I shed a tear. Bravo to captain Arnold and FO Perry. Great video as always
My son just completed his 1200 flying hours and it is on to the next stage for him. I told him I follow your channel in order to keep myself informed and we can "pilot talk", but really it is to understand him when he tells me about his day. Thanks Mentour Team!
The real heroes are mothers. If you've had a child then you're a hero by default. On par with the men who stormed the beaches on D-Day, firefighters, and these pilots who swallow their fear and save lives in the face of death. Lmao I love that Louis CK stand-up bit.
It surprises me that the pilots turn the aircraft towards the missing engine. A risky maneuver. In training you are taught that when you have an engine out, you always make your turns into the good engine. Well, their superior airmanship saved the day.
I haven't watched the video yet,But I can't resist saying I'm sure Peiter could do it with one hand behind his back!!! Keep up the good work! Now I enjoy the vid
Yes... the captain going back into the aircraft to the cheers of the passengers, and his shocked reaction to find the right engine GONE couldn't have been written better by the best of screenwriters. Great story.
@Cybig You don't know what the word, "insane" really means. Quit using twerpy words without knowing what they mean. The actions and reactions of everyone were very sane and reasonable.
I had the privilege of flying with Captian Arnold, with another low cost carrier in South Africa. His is absolutely meticulous about his work and flows SOPs to the T, & and always defended his us as Cabin Crew.
I am a doctor. Eye specialist. Nothing to do with flying. I don't even fly much. But your style of explanation is sooo good that you got me hooked. Great work chap.
I witnessed this from the highway when it happened. Was working at the airport and just finished my shift. The weather was terrible that day. Great respect to the pilots who landed this acraft
@@availanila "also, it tends to be more frequently used in American English versus British English." I don't think that's the case, you know. We don't all talk like the King.
My first ever flight (at 13 years old) was on a 732... I was pretty startled at the end of the flight just watching the thrust reverser deploy. I can just imagine how I would have reacted at the whole engine falling off!
I listened to a podcast with the first officer on Flight 723 Daniel Perry and he tells a slightly different story about the flight attendant. He says they sent her back to take a look out the window. Because of passengers in the seats she had to view from the aisle. She came back and reported "I cannot see the front of the aircraft right engine". Apparently there was no purposeful withholding of information, it was just that her description was misunderstood by the flight crew as meaning that just the front of the engine was missing. They surmised that the engine's deicing nosecone fell off, which they had heard of happening before. As for the passenger supposedly seeing the engine fall off, it's very odd that they didn't say something to the flight attendant when it was obvious that she was inspecting outside the window.
perhaps they did but she also interpreted it as only the front falling off? its such a crazy situation it might not have occurred to her! totally understandable
i was the operations controller at that time in 2007 in cape town for Nationwide. We could not have asked for a better pilot that day!. Still remember all of it as if it was yesterday. Also my brother was working on the ramp that day and witnessed the engine falling of. Sadly this incident led to about 1000 of us losing our jobs due to liquadation. :(
Great job by everyone involved in bringing the plane back safely. Sucks people lost their jobs; but I suppose that would have happened if the plane had crashed as well.
realizing he has flown a plane with a missing engine for that long and so well mustve been a shock !! (the good kind thankfully. he should be very proud.)
Always a good question. I remember handing over to my relief after a bridge collapsed during the floods. It was early in the morning, I’d been there all night, he had his coffee. He asked what was going on, on the bridge and I told him that the bridge was gone. “What do you mean ‘gone’?” Good times.
Upon being asked how he felt co-flying a jet as a 25 year old just 2 weeks out of the simulator, Daniel Perry responded with "Well, have you ever seen a dog watch TV?" He is now a highly rated pilot with 9000+ hours experience - there is an excellent interview with him on TH-cam by fellow pilot Alex McPhail!
Aahaha thanks for sharing that! Wow, he really has talent. Even being so out-of-the-water greenhorn he somehow managed to control a severely damaged airplane very well. I hope he will have a long and illustrious career until his retirement. 👍🏼
I'm also confused about the "dog watching TV" analogy. I've seen dogs ignore TVs as if they weren't there. I've seen dogs bark at TVs if there was something provoking to them. Neither of these phenomena seem plausible as a "feeling of co-flying a jet shortly after simulator training"... so this is a very confusing quote!
Sometimes juniors can thrive - be it the comfort of having a senior nearby, or the recency of training, or just natural talent, so impressive to see how the FO handled this and the captain's trust in him. Love stories like this.
I like to make this argument a lot of the time with Junior Doctors too. They are fresh from school (or in this case, pilot training), they have all the theory freshly in their minds, it's only the bedside manner that may be partially lacking. This is why I would actually really trust a new pilot faced with an incident like this, or a junior doctor faced with a complex case.
Regarding doctors, there is an argument that junior doctors can be better for diagnosing rare stuff. Probably becsuse the older doctors "have seen it all" an they know from experience that 99% of cases with a particular set if symptoms are this-or-that diagnosis. The younger doctors might not draw that conclusion that quickly...
@@panda4247 It's also more that senior doctors have gotten the "horses, not zebras" mindset hammered into them, and have gotten it engrained into them. It probably also gets reinforced over time because the vast majority of the cases they encounter are, in fact, horses. But that also often puts them in a rut where they're blinded to the possibility of zebras. Junior doctors have the exact opposite problem; they're more used to looking for zebras (since they just finished learning about them in med school), so they're better at seeing those. But they also tend to be worse at diagnosing common issues for this exact reason. It's a balance. I like going to teaching hospitals for this exact reason, btw - they cover each others'weaknesses.
This is my first time seeing a story where everyone involved did their jobs perfectly. An example of how incidents should go. Proper airmanship and great teamwork on the ground. Amazing First Officer!
Couple of glitches but they were quick to correct. The flight attendant being cute about the engine missing and snapping at the ATC prior to the proximity warning are a couple examples. The purpose is continuous improvement. We can complement everyone but still learn a few things.🙂
Yeah the purser lying to the captain to "not worry him too much" was absolutely inexcusable. That should have been instant termination and indefinite suspension from ever being part of a flight crew. That shows profoundly bad judgment and reasoning. Astonishingly bad. Idiotic purser.
"Whadaya mean gone?!" got me laughing quite hard. The plane is safely on the ground, and the first officer just got some very surprising news, and that human moment just tickled something in me.
Something similar happened in an F-15 once. The pilot wanted to shake his copilot's hand after they had landed, and they discovered that the entire wing was gone.
One of the few occasions of engine falling off an airplane led to the Bijlmerramp (Bijlmer disaster) in the Netherlands. Where the airplane became uncontrollable and ended up hitting an apartment building.
I live very close to Abbotsford International Airport in an apartment, and the crash of Flight 1862 pops into my head whenever a Westjet plane that seems to be abnormally low and much closer than usual comes toward my building. How horrifying. Looking forward to seeing it dissected on here.
I was on flight from Kauai to Honolulu at night when the plane lost power in an engine . After the captain made the announcement you could hear a pin drop. My wife said “ I hope I see my grand children again” . The captain further briefed us that emergency vehicles would be meeting us on the runway “ upon landing a huge cheer went up from all passengers. It took a lot of convincing to get my wife on the connecting flight to the mainland . The videos are great thanks for your hard work in providing them
One thing you didn't mention - in addition to all that, the loss of A-system hydraulic pressure meant the landing gear were not fully operable. They had to be manually deployed, the nosewheel steering did not work, and braking power was reduced. Really a great performance from the crew, and I hope that F/O is a captain now.
@@amicloud_yt A manual deployment involves using a pulley system to release the gear with help of gravity. It is not reversible: landing gear released using this method cannot be retracted
So many things to love about this story but one of my favourites is the CRM. The fact that such an experienced pilot was able to trust such a junior one (in what seems to be the right call). Such a stark contrast from some of the other flights you’ve covered.
I am family of one of the pilots, they were definitely shaken up after this event but handled the situation very well! Thanks Mentour for the epic vids! Been binging like crazy and was wondering if I would see this appear one on your channel :)
Since I am a pilot and trained RSAF pilots , I am stunned at the level of detail you supply . You have OPENED my eyes to scenarios I never imagined. THANKS
"No small roles" is a phrase from the movie industry but I think it also applies to the airline industry. Even the guys clearing the rubble in record speed did their part.
It's a safety thing too. You NEED a clear runway to operate an airport. Like the Concorde disaster. People died because the runway wasn't clear. If a plane needs to land in an emergency? you need the runway to be clear 5 minutes ago!
Everyone in this story were so chill. From the passenger telling other one that the aircraft can fly just fine, to the controller seeing the debris fall but feeling the next aircraft could still land, the purser not wanting to stress the pilots with the damage and the veteran captain just delegating the flying to the rookie.
the guy who was sitting there and said "don't worry, these planes are designed to be able to fly on just one engine" calmly, i'll bet was as much a factor in everybody not completely losing their minds, as the assurances from the captain. Doing a complete FOD walkdown to get all the debris off the runway is also a significant accomplishment in the time listed. that alone must have taken a LOT of coordination and competence.
On one hand, keeping other passengers calm is nice, but on the other hand, *the engine straight up yeeted itself away.* That's not exactly a consequence-free action. Flying with only one engine RUNNING is very different from flying with only one engine STILL THERE. Boeing literally has to weigh down the wings during construction before the engines are mounted because those wings are designed with the engine weight in mind. Without that weight, things get funky- as these pilots found out the quick way.
@@hauntedshadowslegacy2826 Not to mention the technical complications from severed fuel and hydraulic lines (which are unavoidable in this situation)... Really something the pilots should ahve known about from the beginning!
@@kohlinoor Airplane reliance on hydraulics is a major weakness. The switch to electro-hydraulics in the newest planes is a huge advance. No long, vulnerable hydraulic lines any more. It's easier to find alternate routing for a a wire than a hose. And a severed wire doesn't leak as readily.
Props to the first officer. Shame he didn't get much recognition but, here on youtube you are getting it. Good job on flying this plane and showing the captain, crew and passengers you are made of heroic steel.
Shortly before that incident a very experienced retired airline captain pilot friend of mine who did charter flights on the B727 for Nation wide was put under extreme pressure to do a long across water flight with a cracked cockpit window. He refused to fly the aircraft and stopped flying for them.
As he should have. They're asking him to take an absurd risk. If that window fails at cruise elevation, there's guaranteed misery, and high odds of an all souls lost scenario.
@@edifyguy Didn't a cockpit window fail in some other plane, and the pilot was sucked out the window and somehow managed to stay attached to the outside of the aeroplane. So if anyone asks you to fly with a damaged window...
@@RennieAsh Yup, Captain Tim Lancaster of British Airways Flight 5390 fame. His poor copilot, Alastair Atchison, and entire crew went through the craziest ordeal to remove his legs from the control, keep him from getting sucked out (potentiallly into the left engine) and to get everyone on the ground safely in the midst of the chaos of a depressurized cabin. No one should have to go through all that, especially if the risks are already known to them.
I was in Cape Town and due to fly Nationwide back to the UK later that week, but my flight was cancelled for obvious reasons. We got put on an evening flight with Virgin, business class at no cost to ourselves so it all worked out ok. Every cloud..... Glad they managed to get that plane back safely, well done to the pilot and everyone else involved
It's so heartening to see such good CRM and the humility shown between the Captain and First Officer was first class. Egos have a bad habit of getting in the way of effective performance and the captain showed great awareness and humility in handing back the controls to a gifted pilot for someone so young and inexperienced. There was also great humility shown by the FO after the fact when it was the Captain that received the award. I hope these two pilots found work after the airline ceased operating.
Thank you for telling this story. I was in the USAF and in 2008, I went to Cape Town for an airshow. They had parked our C-130's next to this jet with its missing engine. I was curious about the story of this plane.
I enjoy watching Mentourpilot. Watching a flight in South Africa, my country. From Capetown to OR Thambo. Awesome. You make this program so interesting. Thank you
This one is absolutely amazing. Both pilots were incredible, especially the FO for being able to pilot the craft back completely safely, but also the captain who recognized that the FO had the situation well under control and didn't take over when he didn't absolutely need to.
After the plane took off: "hey did you see that? The engine fell off" The other passenger: "Don't worry, these planes can fly safely with one engine". I can only imagine how self confident he felt when he got out. Ha, ha... That passenger also deserves an award too.. for good "passenger leadership". I will say.
@@thewhitefalcon8539 Honestly, I'm not sure I'd assume the cockpit has an "engine is physically present" indicator - like, yes, there's something like 2000 buttons, sensors and switches up there, but...I feel like that means you might want to not include extraneous things that cover circumstances that should literally never happen. I mean, there's enough sensors in the engine that would just be flatlining in this position that, if they were sitting in a simulator and asked to just diagnose what was physically wrong with the plane, they might well figure it out because no conceivable engine failure short of literal detachment would set *every* sensor to its "no signal" setting, but...again, there's a LOT of stuff to look at in that cockpit, and when you're actually up in the air dealing with the reality of trying to get it down on the ground safely, you're not calmly solving an academic problem, you're suppressing considerable amounts of stress and relying on trained scenarios and emergency checklists to hopefully land safely or at least minimize casualties.
I think this really goes to show how extremely well pilots are trained for emergencies! The FO was as really a rookie, but he handled the plane like a pro! Very very impressive!!
I love this video, it shows exemplary CRM and teamwork by all parties involved to make a happy ending. With all the incidents from poor CRM and pilot error, it's easy for the general public to grow a distrust or nervousness in those operating the aircraft. But this shows exactly how things should be handled, exactly how us pilots are trained and execute emergency procedures, exactly how both pilots, especially the captain in showing complete trust in his young FO and humility, are to act. This has definitely become my favorite Mentour Pilot video.
I agree completely, the thing is in those shoes I can imagine the captain wanting to know exactly what the FO was dealing with and taking the controls for a moment, and even knowing fully that the captain could adapt, trusting that "okay now I know what it is doing, and what you're fighting, keep flying" the trust to hand it back over is significant but he's proven he could handle it, I believe from my perspective the captain may have assumed control for just that, as a step to figure out what they were dealing with, and to feel what it was doing to aide in the decision making process. Either way, they both did everything exactly right, the only thing that is a maybe is in most companies policy is any time a deviation or emergency like this occurs, once the plane is secured, they usually have policy to pull the breaker to the CVR to preserve the audio for investigation. The thing is they did everything else right, and I can safely say even if the company had a similar policy, after going to see the damage and realizing the engine was fully separated, It's easy to imagine that adrenaline and fear through realization being enough to make someone forget something small like that.
@@charlesmayberry2825nowadays microchips (flash memory, SSDs, …) are so cheap that they could put days of cockpit audio on it if they wanted. A number of accidents would be easier to investigate- like the one where cabin pressure was lost and the autopilot flew the hypoxia crew and passengers on for hours until fuel was depleted. Or this one.
A brief note for your animators (who do an amazing job!): when something falls off of an airplane, it doesn’t drop in a straight line to the ground. Because of its forward momentum, it continues to move in the same direction as it is falling (at almost the same speed, although air friction would slow it down as it fell)
This is excellently delivered, useful criticism. And ensures that every one who read it will be aware of this quirk of physics from now on, if they weren't already. 👍🍍
Congratulations on a great episode. The first officer was heroic, despite near total inexperience. What I cannot understand is why someone overwrote the CVR after the accident. What did they reinstall it on?
It's always so nice to hear about pilots who, in an emergency, continue to communicate, supporting each other and working together! Hats off to all of you!
its actually insane that they didn't even realise they literally LOST one of the engines until after landing, and yet they still controlled the plane perfectly. amazing pilots
As intersting as the crash reports are, it is nice to see videos on situations that resolved well, particularly when pilots or crew or atc make good decisions.
As a South African it’s sad seeing how often officials in our country sweep things under the rug. Inspections that should take place just don’t and we wonder why our infrastructure is failing, this isn’t only true in the aviation industry but for the country as a whole. Still proud seeing how good a job the pilots did and bringing some good news for us.
I think that's part of the human condition combined with capitalism. The same thing is happening in USA, Australia etc in general. I mean Australia's universal healthcare system is in the toilet. Whilst in America absolutely everything is failing or so it seems.
I understand your dismay but you live in/come from what was/still is in a way essentially a new nation feeling rather than rationalising its way into modernity. As such the takeover of infrastructure likely wasn't based upon the best foundation. The majority of nations it is/was competing against/being compared to have a wealth of experience behind them to fall back upon.
@@FC-PeakVersatility Nope - experience/expertise was/is replaced based on skin-color - check out how 'well' the national power-utility is running - with daily blackouts? And SAA has also been run into the ground - corruption, mismanagement - plus racial politics.
Trevor Arnold is living proof of a great operator and also huge praise for Daniel Perry his P2. This report is about the best aviation report ever put together.. CONGRATULATIONS !!
As someone with no experience in aviation lurking on your videos and learning the safety measures that are in place, a video about this is so reassuring. Happy New Year, Captain, and thank you for all you do!
I'm from Cape Town and obviously know about this incident but never saw a detailed analysis of what happened. I Never knew about the situation on the runway. I can't believe George airport could handle all the diverted traffic though. Thanks for an excellent review as usual. It was great seeing my hometown featuring a happy ending aviation story.
The passenger calmly stating that planes can fky with one engine really speaks volumes to the overall safety we enjoy while flying. My heart was in my throat listening to how all the pieces worked together, as intended, to prevent a terrible accident. This outcome was a result of decades of learning and improving from past mistakes and is something we should all strive for regardless of our profession or way of life. Amazing video!
For decades, larger airliners had four engines, so the shift from four engines to two for the sake of greater efficiency, not greater safety, requires an extreme level of confidence in the remaining single engine. One incident of a remaining singe engine failing would have a profound effect on public opinion and the industry.
I'd say it speaks volumes about the confidence of that one passenger... But the fact that they were struggling at the cockpit and quickly decided to go back says otherwise...
@@bassaniobrokenhart5045 I mean, I doubt anyone would decide to fly anywhere with a major malfunction like that. They were able to get a somewhat stable flight after the take off so they used that opportunity to troubleshoot. Once they found an engine wasn’t working, it’s clear they had no other choice. And the plane did manage to fly back pretty alright considering.
A very long story, but I was on a plane that took a bird strike. A fire started in the engine and we made emergency landing. I can't tell you of all the screaming in terror, the feeling you're going to die and the horror of the moment. But, when we landed, everyone screamed for joy and shouted THANK YOU CAPTAIN over and over. Truly his quick thinking and skill saved us all.
Being a South African who loves aviation, I clearly remember this incident and all the issues revealed about Nationwide management. Thank you Peta for your insights.
I love your videos Petter, so incredibly well presented & explained!! You have an extremely rare talent in explaining these complicated topics in an intuitive way most people can understand, I've honestly learnt so much from your videos, far more than any documentary I've seen on TV! Thank you so much for what you do, I have great respect for you & your work. Hands down best aviation channel on TH-cam!
Props to everyone involved in the safe landing of the aircraft, but also specifically the first officer that performed above and beyond what his experience would lead to be expected.
I’m pretty new to this channel, as I’ve had a fear of flying all my life and couldn’t bring myself to watch documents on crashes. But now, as I recover from my fear, I’ve been gaining strength to watch these. I love how you explained this. Other people I’ve seen write a documentary on this didn’t tell the story as great as you did. Thanks for recognizing the ground workers too. And I love how that one passenger was like “oh, engine fell off? Nah, it’s fine.” Like it happened everyday, haha.
Me too, I’m terrified of flying but knowing all theese procedures are in place and getting updated regularly helps me not be so scared :) also mostly theese succes stories were no one dies or only a couple dies but the plane gets landed safely are a lot better than the stories of complete crashes
Agreed, I love the analysis at the end of these about what the report recommended, and the reflection of todays safety checks on place because it them.
I would have travelled within Europe on circa 23 flights. Some were a bit turbulent, most were were smooth and less than 4 were very bumpy. When I see the amount of crashes taking place now I would never fly again. God bless all who continue to fly but it is not for me.
I have to thank you. Just through this TH-cam channel I have gone from too scared to stand under a flight path (plane 30-40,000ft) to that passenger who calms the others. I fly regularly, Aviation Engineering is a degree I considered when choosing a degree at my University. If the Nursing Degree has more hiccups I will transfer. I’m determined to find a way to try the Simulator. Unlikely, but I can dream. So thanks for creating an AV geek from a plane phobic. I’m passing on to the next generation the love of flying. I can see some budding engineers with serious potential. It’s not just helping the nervous, it’s the passion that is communicated, and then passed on to the next generation. Aviation needs passionate people in all roles, from educated passengers, to ramp workers, service crew, pilots, engineers and technicians.
There are many heroes in this story: The captain "do not fix what is running", the first officer with a short experiences and who I most appreciate: the air traffic controller (fast good reaction and doing the best of his/her job) ... great teamwork👍
WOW!!! First time I've seen this incident covered by anyone. Brings back a lot of memories. I was working that afternoon during this emergency as the ATC on Area handling all the traffic in and out of Cape Town, including all those diversions to George. What a day!
"Look, piss off, we're in the middle of something, you clown." "Er, right... Well, just letting you know you're about to fly into a mountain. Might want to scribble that down on a post-it note and come back to it when you've got a spare moment." ".... Oh."
This is probably the only situation I can allow applause and cheering after a landing. I am very impressed by the pilot and how he really let the first officer to handle the aircraft. This is a handbook example how team work really works. I'm so impressed by all involved in the cockpit.
I am very happy and relieved to see that airlines have learned the lessons from AAL 191 and changed their post engine failure procedures and trained pilots in these sceneries. I was 5 years old when AAL 191 crashed in my town and even today everyone who went through that experience still talks about where they were, what they saw and who they knew on that flight.
I was 10 when this accident happen and years later I had the chance to meet the tower controller on duty and the captain of this aircraft. The level of pilot training in South Africa is excellent as shown in this accident. The crew did such a good job
Ex pilot same training schedule as you, Cape Town then Stellenbosch then onwards... I remember this event very well..... With a heavy heart I must rather suggest your phrase to be "the level of pilot training in SA was excellent".
In '60s when they were new, Dentist and Fishin Buddy at airport to show off his new Skymaster. He was so proud, but remarked she's bit doggie versus this morning. Halfway down runway I asked what's 2nd tach reading zero for, and he yelled "Start Rear Engine". I started, revved engine, just barely made it off, and he said, "Glad I noticed it! That would of left us in the trees!" On bright side, dentistry free until he retired 12 years later! He had taught self not to screw up by using his pocketbook!! Bet ya won't find that method in your FAA Manual!!
My wife was cabin crew for Comair at the time. They were at the gate waiting for their flight an had a clear view of the runway and could see the engine laying on the ground. Hats off to the flight crew, but also to the aircraft. The combination of sound machines and wide awake crew makes that we can fly without fear.
Absolutely incredible work from everyone involved, but holy cow that first officer Perry was absolutely awesome. Incredible handling and (seemingly) calm attitude let them get on with everything they needed to do perfectly. I did chuckle out loud at "Whaddya mean gone" because I can only imagine how shakily he must have walked down those steps after that!
I forgive them the fuel balancing, this is worthy of a very big applause. Also it's probably a good thing that the whole engine ended up falling off, that floppy thing with unreliable trust control seemed more lethal than having no number two engine at all. Great story!
I believe engines are attached with an engineered weak point so that in the event of a really hard landing or other severe physical shock they will break free instead of causing more damage
My brother’s wife worked in Nationwide Head Offices when all this happened.. the company was run basically by the owner who was well known in the industry by then to prefer taking his money out the country than spending anything on maintenance.. a lot of documentation was destroyed deliberately, also none of Nationwide’s employees got advance notice that the company will be closing its doors- she apparently went to work and as she got there- the company’s doors were locked with a paper stuck to the doors, with a notice stating that every one can go home, Nationwide is closed permanently..
from, the methodic, processes from the pilot, the crew member, and that passenger saying the can indeed fly on one engine. the ATC, and firefighters and ground crew. is amazing.
Great video! As a matter of fact, one of my work superiors at the time was on this flight. He told us his recollection many times. He has since passed, but the story still remains.
Wow! Exceptional courage, humility, teamwork, and sheer talent/merit in this story by every person mentioned. The first officer in particular shines in an unbelievably amazing performance. But also the composed captain, the calm ATCs, the proactive firefighters and airport employees, and also the passengers who comforted each other and cooperated with the cabin crew.
There's a dc-8 version (I forgot call sign code) where engine number 3 detached and hit number 4, which results in both of them falling from the sky. They also managed to land the aircraft while wing right caught on fire after flaps extended.
and lets not forget the el al 747 crash in amsterdam. engine 3 broke free and crashed into engine 4, breaking it off too. the 747 ended up crashing into an apartment block. fortunately it was a freighter. if it had been full of passengers, the body count would have beenMUCH higher.
@@mrxmry3264 I know it's probably not intended as such, but you almost make it sound as the lives of the people in the apartment block are less important.
@@mrxmry3264 Unfortunately, it hit an apartment block with many unregistered citizens inside. The final death toll is unknown, but is known to be much higher than the official number due to the amount of people in the building that weren't even know to be in the country.
As someone living in Cape Town I can say that the South African pilots are truly some of the best in the world, same goes for ATC and ground crews! Unfortunately government and corporate bureaucracy restricts maintenance and legal operations 😢 I am very impressed with the flight animation, scenery and airport conditions are very realistic! Love your channel, come stay over for a week next time you visit the Mother city Peter
Amazing work by the first officer here. Countless stories we have heard of an inexperienced FO causing major problems. Love that he immediately feels like its an engine failure and goes to add left rudder. Many would pull on the stick instead.
I've personally flown with Captain Arnold with a low cost carrier in South Africa. He is a gentleman and very knowledgeable and experienced captain. One of the miraculous stories to come out of SA aviation.
Very professional apart from the maintenance side, I remember checking them bolts and there is a visual indication for the rear mount you can see from the cabin if that has gone.
As someone who flew Nationwide and who has flown into and out of CPT international a few times, thanks for this, was wondering when someone would pick up this incredible story.
But think about how much money we saved on maintenance! Always makes me shy away from small operations especially when they have my family's lives in their hands. Amazing job by the pilots (and likely the FA team). Great story, well told. Thank you for another excellent production!
This kind of great aviators should be celebrated more! Not just when stuff almost hits the fan but also when it never does. All pilots should be motivated to be like Captain Arnold
What a coincidence! My dad and I were talking about this just last week! The airline was the preferred airline of the company I worked for. A couple of months before the accident, Nationwide made an announcement that they have listened to customers and they would stop offering free in flight food and beverage services, because people would rather have more variety to choose from that they would pay for. The first thing I said was oops they are in financial trouble, where else are they cutting costs.... 😬
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Thank you again captain best youtube chanel
@@cosmefulanito5933 well, and in this case, latent greed....
I find flying scary as a passenger because I know if I'm in a crash I'll probably die. I'm not a good passenger in a car either despite the fact that I raced cars for years when I was in my twenties (I'm 68 now). I don't like not being the driver ( I think "driving" an aircraft would be too much for me though ! ) When I raced cars I was in many crashes, probably 30-40 over the years but I was never badly hurt, apart from a whiplash neck injury. I still find it difficult to fly though, even though I know it's statistically very safe, certainly a lot safer than racing cars, or even driving on the roads. I feel relaxed driving a car but nervous as a passenger in an aircraft (or car).
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I love how even the pilots were shocked the engine was completely gone after they had landed, meanwhile the passenger had little to no expression of fear as the engine abruptly falls off the wing.
Yeah. What a massive aftershock .
to be fair, from a physics perspective you wouldn't expect the rudder alone to be enough to handle the force imbalance without miraculous safety margins, given that half the empty weight of a given aircraft are the engines, which would mean the center of mass shifted toward the working engine which would decrease the efficiency of the rudder.
Ultimately, as much as the crews of the incident deserve credit for their exceptional reactions, there wouldn't have been any chance if the engineers who designed the airframe weren't extremely competent, and the company willing to pay the price of higher safety margins.
@@DSiren although this comment doesn't have a direction relation to what I said, yes, aerospace engineers and designers are obviously competent. Chances are if they weren't, that engine would have fallen off a long time ago. The fact this plane managed to go so long without any proper maintenance shows.
@@DSiren it's hard to say for sure without actually doing the math or running a simulation, but in my mind shifting the center of mass towards the working engine should in theory reduce the induced yaw caused by the thrust imbalance just as much as it would reduce rudder authority. effectively, the handling of the aircraft would not change much in this situation, but in reality things are obviously a lot more complex, i.e. an engine falling off would also have severe consequences for aerodynamics.
"The less you know, the better you sleep"
“Don’t worry. The plane can fly with one engine.” 😂
Love that passenger. It was technically true too.
Sensible behaviour
You don't want mass panic in the cabin. You can't do anything useful, meanwhile someone up front is trying to keep it flying.
Don't rock the boat.
@@myparceltape1169 Indeed.
737-200 was called the tank by our mechanics
@@myparceltape1169 I disagree, they were spewing fuel and hydraulic fluid, they needed to know so they don't waste time starting the engine.
@@grandetaco4416 Knowing for sure that there was a fuel leak might have been useful information, too.
The ground crew who cleared the runway in less than 18 minutes are also heroes in this situation. Absolutely incredible!
"Everyone in the administration office, you must now go to the runway to sweep an engine off it!"
Yep super glad he highlighted that so much. Very different potential outcome without them.
yup !! 18 minutes is crazy fast !! and the ATC controller too was on that crash button with *speed* ! clearly all amazing at their jobs
I bet they used something like a snow plow
The captain really was an amazing pilot. He recognized instantly that while he could adjust to the situation, the first officer had already done so. I think a lot of captains, given the situation, would want to take control due to their experience and responsibility as PIC. So for him to say "nope, youve already got this" is a step that i think a lot of people would have trouble doing, in all sorts of situations
An excellent manager knows how to teach his colleagues by delegating responsibility AND authority. Impressive.
Proof of the saying, "A little humility goes a long way." In this case, the humility to say to the green kid, "You know how this handles, you fly," went all the way to landing safely on the runway.
But yet also very smart of him to request controls once in advance. SHOULD anything happen so that he needed to take over controls on final, he would've at least known what to expect.
@@MrInitialMan The captain deserved his award, for taking the correct action. Had the airline not have failed, I am sure that the first officer would have been rewarded by a fairly quick promotion.
Shows the cpt had all the confidence and trust in the fo....excelent crm
Captain Mentour!
I am a US CFI and an airline pilot such as yourself! I recently had to use the Engine Fire/Severe Damage/Separation checklist for real and hustled to get the B737NG on the ground. The cabin crew reported a fire but we did not have a fire indication in the cockpit. I was questioned as to why I hurried to return, and during the inquiry, I showed them this very video. This put a different perspective on my own incident. Thank you for your outstanding content. I teach PPL to ATP and CFI in GA aircraft, as well as Dispatch at Global Aviation Training Academy. Your material is FIRST RATE!
Thank you, Captain, for your valuable contributions to CRM and all of us in aviation who are always learning!
Very Respectfully,
Dave, CFI/ATP/airplanes and helicopters
26,000 hours and still learning!
You should not have returned without being certain
You wasted resources for no reason
Returning for safety isnt 'no reason'.
It is the ultimate responsibility of the pilot to reject flight or terminate flight if they deem it unsafe to fly.
@Ian-lh9di
@@Ian-lh9di 🤡🤡🤡Is an airline executive your sugar daddy or something?
@@Ian-lh9dihope you are the one that never returns
Just wow. The amount of times pilots bring home their crippled aircraft safely without the passengers ever knowing their lives were in danger is unreal. What a First Officer so young, so inexperienced, but flew like a veteran. A great story Captain Petter, I always love the one's with a happy ending.
I'm pretty sure these passengers knew their lives were in danger. The engine was gone! Fuel and hydraulic fluid were streaming out of a gaping hole in the wing.
Especially passengers seating closest to the view of damage.
Mostly because nobody takes pre-trip inspections or maintenance seriously.
@@operator8014 Wasn't talking about maintenance, I was praising pilots for getting their aircraft safely on the ground. Lack of Maintenace caused the issue, but that's a different subject altogether.
@@kathleenegan6658 one passenger didn't think so, as was mentioned on the video he told a fellow passenger "Don't worry these aircraft are designed to fly on one engine.
Thanks for pointing out the workers on the ground. People forget that without those folks, you've got no runway to land on. Not just literally like here, but in so many pieces of life. Without the people who do the dirty work, there's no canvas to demonstrate heroism, or greatness. We need these people. They are not expendable, they are not the bottom rung, in the sense that they aren't valuable. They are the bottom rung in the sense that they are foundational.
Exactly
😊😊😊the
@@MentourPilotHey, Mentour, great video as usual! The plane that landed immediately after, you didn't tell us how it managed to miss the debris on the runway altogether. A great deal of luck or was it that the engine fell too far up the runway that this plane landed and left the runway before getting to the debris?
So true. Can you imagine a surgeon using dirty tools? Those specialized cleaners are essential. They just never get treated or paid as important.
@@charisma-hornum-friesAgree 100%. They deserve so much more in terms of recognition and pay. I once underwent surgery and while recovering in the hospital I talked to the woman who cleaned the rooms. She only had 8 minutes to clean one room including the bathroom. That's bonkers! And she didn't get any recognition and of course, her pay was low. But her work is so essential, literally, especially in a hospital with all these sick people and fresh wounds and germs... Despite the bad working conditions she still did her best and even started work early to get everything finished, so she also worked for free one hour in the morning. I still think of her from time to time, she deserved so much better. Yes, surgeons and pilots and such are important and their skills are impressive. But to recognize those who make this even possible, is so important as well. For all of us.
A frightening incident, plus skilled airmanship, great teamwork, and a happy outcome = my favorite kind of aviation incident! Analysis by Petter makes it also my favorite kind of aviation video.
The contrast between the by-the-book, skilled, and professional conduct of the pilots and the shocking negligence of the airline operations on the ground couldn't be greater.
Yep, that’s a fair summary
Don't forget the chill passenger!
@@becauseiwanttoseecommentsb984 whoever was that passenger, he or she should get free tickets for life!
The good news is that we don’t have an engine fire….the bad news is that we don’t have an engine either🫣
Pretty much, yes!
Like the penguins in Madagascar 2 😂
Madagascar 2, even the plane itself a miracle in that movie 😂😂😂
No need to worry about engine fire if there's no engine there
Absolute big brain move
I’m reminded of “the front fell off” skit now. lol
“I don’t want people thinking it’s unsafe. We have strict engineering standards to avoid this”
“Like what?”
“The front isn’t supposed to fall off, for one.”
;p
This happened to me, on Dec. 5th, 1987, while I was flying as captain on a B-737-200, US Air Flt 224, just after takeoff from KPHL. The rear cone bolt failed, and the safety cable failed also, allowing the rear portion of the engine to pitch down 30 degrees, and severing fuel and system A hydraulic lines. Shortly thereafter, after reducing speed, the forward cone bolts failed, and the engine completely separated, falling away from the aircraft. A portion of the engine fairing struck the vertical stabilizer. As a result of this incident, the term “separation” was added to the “Engine Fire, Severe Damage, ‘Separation’” Checklist. Pulling the associated fire handle was key to shutting off fuel to prevent a potentially fatal outcome. The standby electric flap system only allowed extending the flaps to 10 degrees, instead of the desired 15 degree flap setting. We landed uneventfully after completing several Non-Normal Checklists. Captain Gary Skogebo, US Airways, Ret.
You would be a good person to ask this: The video mentions how the crew was concerned about having braking, given damage to the hydraulic system(s). Does the Classic not have brake accumulators, good for at least a few press/release cycles? I assume that at least some sort of backup would be a certification requirement for a Part 25 aircraft.
Oh, and were you aware that a full separation had occurred? A call from the tower? Alerted by the cabin crew?
@@marcmcreynolds2827l
Thank you for your service, (and the story).
wow, good job. luckily this flight avoided disaster that American Airlines had when their engine seperated and crashed into a building
wow God Blessed You ,,,,great job !
24:07 Very cool that the inexperienced pilot controlled the plane so well and the experienced pilot returned the control to him when it felt squirrely for him.
The brilliant F/O, Daniel Perry, had glider and aero tow experience.
Honestly that says a lot about the captain both as a man and as a pilot. Some would have still kept control regardless "because they know better".
@@tonybeamvery valuable experience! Expect the unexpected!
@@Bambihunter1971yeah, we've heard of too many Captains "strutting their stuff" and fail miserably!
@@dans_Learning_Curve Absolutely agreed. This captain did not feel "he knew better" but returned control to a pilot half his age without delay. And this new copilot steered the plane with passion, if you will, and certainly knew what he was doing. However, I absolutely do support the captain for taking the controls in order to "feel the problem" in the first place. I have no issue with that at all.
can we appreciate the calm passenger who was chill af 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Prob a russian
Mans is got bigger things in mind.
It would have been sensible to tell someone the engine had fallen off 😉
@@harikrishnan1317Don't underestimate South Africans and Rhodisians.
@@cyan_oxy6734 fr
That first officer sounds like an awesome dude. Hope he continues to have a great flying career.
Hopefully with safer airlines!
Yeah he did well. Props to the captain for letting him fly it, a lot of guys would have taken control from the FO
25 years old in 2007, he'd be in his early 40's now
Daniel Perry is awesome. About to get his command on All Nippon Air Cargo’s 747-8.
I remember that day very well.
@@tonybeamoh wow, that's awesome!! 😍
When the aircraft safely touched down and rolled to a stop without need for evacuation, I shed a tear. Bravo to captain Arnold and FO Perry. Great video as always
@@Capecodham First officer
And for the controllers, who kept their heads when pretty much everything went sideways.
"Go away, we're busy!" Made me laugh so hard😂
The good pilot knows exactly when he/she need to say so ... 😂
He actually said F off
@@deepakkishanYTsource
Reminds me of the Titanic.
I'd love to see the look on his face when the controller came back anyway and told him they were heading into terrain.
My son just completed his 1200 flying hours and it is on to the next stage for him. I told him I follow your channel in order
to keep myself informed and we can "pilot talk", but really it is to understand him when he tells me about his day.
Thanks Mentour Team!
That is awesome! 💕💕
Supportive parents. ❤
I hope "the engine was gone" is not a typical response to "tell me about your day" 😉
If he was in the US, he’d have to have another 300 hours MINIMUM to even be allowed to be hired. The US does it wrong.
The pilot's skills in stabilizing the aircraft after losing the engine were heroic.
The real heroes are mothers. If you've had a child then you're a hero by default. On par with the men who stormed the beaches on D-Day, firefighters, and these pilots who swallow their fear and save lives in the face of death. Lmao
I love that Louis CK stand-up bit.
It surprises me that the pilots turn the aircraft towards the missing engine. A risky maneuver. In training you are taught that when you have an engine out, you always make your turns into the good engine. Well, their superior airmanship saved the day.
I haven't watched the video yet,But I can't resist saying I'm sure Peiter could do it with one hand behind his back!!! Keep up the good work! Now I enjoy the vid
Video was published 4 hours ago. How'd you comment a day ago??????😂
@@Truth4Lyf haha, I'm in New zealand
Massive respect for the first officer, totally deserved his own Polaris Award, but his humility and dedication to teamwork is admirable.
This was insane! Huge respect to the pilots and the team that cleaned the debris! This felt like a movie
...and to the Boeing 737, a plane with just the needed back-up systems for everyone to get down safe....
Yes... the captain going back into the aircraft to the cheers of the passengers, and his shocked reaction to find the right engine GONE couldn't have been written better by the best of screenwriters. Great story.
it is ...
@Cybig You don't know what the word, "insane" really means.
Quit using twerpy words without knowing what they mean.
The actions and reactions of everyone were very sane and reasonable.
@@AndrewBlacker-wr2ve ... "twerpy words'".... kinda defeats your point....
I had the privilege of flying with Captian Arnold, with another low cost carrier in South Africa.
His is absolutely meticulous about his work and flows SOPs to the T, & and always defended his us as Cabin Crew.
I am a doctor. Eye specialist. Nothing to do with flying. I don't even fly much.
But your style of explanation is sooo good that you got me hooked.
Great work chap.
I witnessed this from the highway when it happened. Was working at the airport and just finished my shift. The weather was terrible that day. Great respect to the pilots who landed this acraft
I guess for a while you probably thought that plane wouldn't make it back. It would have been utterly shocking to see.
The passanger witnessing the engine fall off: "OMG WE'RE GONNA DIE"
Passanger next to him: "we're not gonna die 🙄"
Hahaha! I know
@@availanila "also, it tends to be more frequently used in American English versus British English."
I don't think that's the case, you know. We don't all talk like the King.
Lol Only on the web. "Gonna" causes confusion.
A clue. Buy you one.
Passenger 2 : We are going to die.
I'm gonna die, You're gonna die
We're all going to die.
Just not today
My first ever flight (at 13 years old) was on a 732... I was pretty startled at the end of the flight just watching the thrust reverser deploy. I can just imagine how I would have reacted at the whole engine falling off!
Very good presented. My father was actually on this flight and said he never felt unsafe.
these make the comments section of all these videos pure gold to read. thanks!
Holy moly
wow !! that mustve been an incredibly smooth flight & landing in that case
I listened to a podcast with the first officer on Flight 723 Daniel Perry and he tells a slightly different story about the flight attendant. He says they sent her back to take a look out the window. Because of passengers in the seats she had to view from the aisle. She came back and reported "I cannot see the front of the aircraft right engine". Apparently there was no purposeful withholding of information, it was just that her description was misunderstood by the flight crew as meaning that just the front of the engine was missing. They surmised that the engine's deicing nosecone fell off, which they had heard of happening before. As for the passenger supposedly seeing the engine fall off, it's very odd that they didn't say something to the flight attendant when it was obvious that she was inspecting outside the window.
perhaps they did but she also interpreted it as only the front falling off? its such a crazy situation it might not have occurred to her! totally understandable
The front fell off.
It doesn't surprise me. Tons of people just remain silent in a situation like that. It's a common reaction from someone who is avoidant, shy, etc
@@MrDmitriRavenoff XD I guess most didn't get the reference. hilarious
If you look out of the aircraft window you can see if you have an engine or not!
i was the operations controller at that time in 2007 in cape town for Nationwide. We could not have asked for a better pilot that day!. Still remember all of it as if it was yesterday. Also my brother was working on the ramp that day and witnessed the engine falling of. Sadly this incident led to about 1000 of us losing our jobs due to liquadation. :(
You were betrayed by a greedy boss.
Why didn’t you guys inform the pilots immediately that the engine has fallen off??
Great job by everyone involved in bringing the plane back safely. Sucks people lost their jobs; but I suppose that would have happened if the plane had crashed as well.
@@77bond they didn't know it was an engine that fell off
@@prorealm766 "Also my brother was working on the ramp that day and witnessed the engine falling of."
“What do you mean gone??” Was my favorite part
realizing he has flown a plane with a missing engine for that long and so well mustve been a shock !! (the good kind thankfully. he should be very proud.)
Always a good question. I remember handing over to my relief after a bridge collapsed during the floods. It was early in the morning, I’d been there all night, he had his coffee. He asked what was going on, on the bridge and I told him that the bridge was gone.
“What do you mean ‘gone’?”
Good times.
Upon being asked how he felt co-flying a jet as a 25 year old just 2 weeks out of the simulator, Daniel Perry responded with "Well, have you ever seen a dog watch TV?" He is now a highly rated pilot with 9000+ hours experience - there is an excellent interview with him on TH-cam by fellow pilot Alex McPhail!
Aahaha thanks for sharing that! Wow, he really has talent. Even being so out-of-the-water greenhorn he somehow managed to control a severely damaged airplane very well. I hope he will have a long and illustrious career until his retirement. 👍🏼
Thanks for the info! Glad those guys were here to tell the tale.
I'm sorry but what does "a dog watch tv" actually means
I'm also confused about the "dog watching TV" analogy. I've seen dogs ignore TVs as if they weren't there. I've seen dogs bark at TVs if there was something provoking to them. Neither of these phenomena seem plausible as a "feeling of co-flying a jet shortly after simulator training"... so this is a very confusing quote!
@@failingattempt9984 just like someone doing all the right motions but with no real idea of what's going on
Sometimes juniors can thrive - be it the comfort of having a senior nearby, or the recency of training, or just natural talent, so impressive to see how the FO handled this and the captain's trust in him. Love stories like this.
True, this was very nice to hear.
I like to make this argument a lot of the time with Junior Doctors too. They are fresh from school (or in this case, pilot training), they have all the theory freshly in their minds, it's only the bedside manner that may be partially lacking. This is why I would actually really trust a new pilot faced with an incident like this, or a junior doctor faced with a complex case.
@@imonkeybee There're still hands-on skills which can only be accquired through field practice. No simulator driven training could replace that.
Regarding doctors, there is an argument that junior doctors can be better for diagnosing rare stuff.
Probably becsuse the older doctors "have seen it all" an they know from experience that 99% of cases with a particular set if symptoms are this-or-that diagnosis.
The younger doctors might not draw that conclusion that quickly...
@@panda4247 It's also more that senior doctors have gotten the "horses, not zebras" mindset hammered into them, and have gotten it engrained into them. It probably also gets reinforced over time because the vast majority of the cases they encounter are, in fact, horses. But that also often puts them in a rut where they're blinded to the possibility of zebras. Junior doctors have the exact opposite problem; they're more used to looking for zebras (since they just finished learning about them in med school), so they're better at seeing those. But they also tend to be worse at diagnosing common issues for this exact reason. It's a balance. I like going to teaching hospitals for this exact reason, btw - they cover each others'weaknesses.
"Where's your homework, Jerry?"
Jerry: "A plane engine landed on it from nowhere"
isn't that part of the plot of Donnie Darko?
😂😂
@@High-Overlord-Snarffie-Pug Though technically, in Donnie Darko, it wasn't a missing engine, but an extra one that was the issue.
@@sinteleon This must be where it came from, fell through the wormhole
This is my first time seeing a story where everyone involved did their jobs perfectly. An example of how incidents should go. Proper airmanship and great teamwork on the ground. Amazing First Officer!
Couple of glitches but they were quick to correct. The flight attendant being cute about the engine missing and snapping at the ATC prior to the proximity warning are a couple examples. The purpose is continuous improvement. We can complement everyone but still learn a few things.🙂
Yeah the purser lying to the captain to "not worry him too much" was absolutely inexcusable. That should have been instant termination and indefinite suspension from ever being part of a flight crew. That shows profoundly bad judgment and reasoning. Astonishingly bad. Idiotic purser.
Except the lady hiding information.
@@i5m5bob Considering that the pilot'a face went "completely white" when he saw the true extent of the damage, maybe she made the right call.
Well... you can't say that the mechanics did their jobs perfectly... or the airline maintenance organization but I get your point.
This story was wonderful. Its a real shame the FO was not awarded. I hope he was recognized in some way. He was a very brave young man.
Indeed.
Even if there are no medals I am sure everyone in the industry will know what he did with a quick back ground check.
He's cited by Mentour Pilot. That's a hell of a mention.
Even with no medal I’m sure it was easy for him to get a job after this 😭 he will most likely be known to any place he applies too
Yes he is! I just wonder how many hours of experience this incident will add to his total? Should be MANY!
Nationwide: where our engines are all on one side.
Underrated comment! 😂
You win the internet!
"Whadaya mean gone?!" got me laughing quite hard. The plane is safely on the ground, and the first officer just got some very surprising news, and that human moment just tickled something in me.
"But I can see it over there, next to the fire truck."
@@AdrianColleyjust flying in loose formation.
Something similar happened in an F-15 once. The pilot wanted to shake his copilot's hand after they had landed, and they discovered that the entire wing was gone.
@@FireStorm81318 I've seen that story. That's only possible with massive HP and a body that generates a lot of lift, but ya it was crazy.
"Gone? Bullshit! Its right here, on the pavement" xD
One of the few occasions of engine falling off an airplane led to the Bijlmerramp (Bijlmer disaster) in the Netherlands. Where the airplane became uncontrollable and ended up hitting an apartment building.
It’s on my list
@@MentourPilotlooking forward to your analysis!
@@MentourPilot you may get a lot of good info from the documentary series "Rampvlucht". It was broadcasted a few months ago on Dutch television
I live very close to Abbotsford International Airport in an apartment, and the crash of Flight 1862 pops into my head whenever a Westjet plane that seems to be abnormally low and much closer than usual comes toward my building. How horrifying. Looking forward to seeing it dissected on here.
"fortunately" the plane wasn't full... still very sad
I was on flight from Kauai to Honolulu at night when the plane lost power in an engine . After the captain made the announcement you could hear a pin drop. My wife said “ I hope I see my grand children again” . The captain further briefed us that emergency vehicles would be meeting us on the runway “ upon landing a huge cheer went up from all passengers. It took a lot of convincing to get my wife on the connecting flight to the mainland . The videos are great thanks for your hard work in providing them
One thing you didn't mention - in addition to all that, the loss of A-system hydraulic pressure meant the landing gear were not fully operable. They had to be manually deployed, the nosewheel steering did not work, and braking power was reduced. Really a great performance from the crew, and I hope that F/O is a captain now.
What would a manual deployment of the landing gear entail?
Lots of cranking presumably! Not sure how else you'd do it@@amicloud_yt
@@amicloud_yt
A manual deployment involves using a pulley system to release the gear with help of gravity. It is not reversible: landing gear released using this method cannot be retracted
@@EbenezerSuccess-jp8duit could be just need to get someone strong to lift it back up
@@ithinkitwaskhamas No, it's not possible until the plane is on the ground and the hydraulic system is repaired.
So many things to love about this story but one of my favourites is the CRM. The fact that such an experienced pilot was able to trust such a junior one (in what seems to be the right call). Such a stark contrast from some of the other flights you’ve covered.
I am family of one of the pilots, they were definitely shaken up after this event but handled the situation very well! Thanks Mentour for the epic vids! Been binging like crazy and was wondering if I would see this appear one on your channel :)
It's always good to "meet" someone that knows the pilots!
It must be awesome to see Mentor Pilot tell a story relating to your family
Since I am a pilot and trained RSAF pilots , I am stunned at the level of detail you supply . You have OPENED my eyes to scenarios I never imagined. THANKS
Amazing that real pilots can learn something about their jobs by watching TH-cam. Should this channel be mandatory for pilots? 😂
@@oskarmartin6486 I’m a flight instructor and I absolutely love these videos. I recommend his vids pretty often!
"No small roles" is a phrase from the movie industry but I think it also applies to the airline industry. Even the guys clearing the rubble in record speed did their part.
It's a safety thing too. You NEED a clear runway to operate an airport. Like the Concorde disaster. People died because the runway wasn't clear. If a plane needs to land in an emergency? you need the runway to be clear 5 minutes ago!
First officer is a true showmanship of being humble. He took none of the credit intitally and landed that plane to safety
Everyone in this story were so chill. From the passenger telling other one that the aircraft can fly just fine, to the controller seeing the debris fall but feeling the next aircraft could still land, the purser not wanting to stress the pilots with the damage and the veteran captain just delegating the flying to the rookie.
the guy who was sitting there and said "don't worry, these planes are designed to be able to fly on just one engine" calmly, i'll bet was as much a factor in everybody not completely losing their minds, as the assurances from the captain.
Doing a complete FOD walkdown to get all the debris off the runway is also a significant accomplishment in the time listed. that alone must have taken a LOT of coordination and competence.
On one hand, keeping other passengers calm is nice, but on the other hand, *the engine straight up yeeted itself away.* That's not exactly a consequence-free action. Flying with only one engine RUNNING is very different from flying with only one engine STILL THERE. Boeing literally has to weigh down the wings during construction before the engines are mounted because those wings are designed with the engine weight in mind. Without that weight, things get funky- as these pilots found out the quick way.
@@hauntedshadowslegacy2826 Not to mention the technical complications from severed fuel and hydraulic lines (which are unavoidable in this situation)... Really something the pilots should ahve known about from the beginning!
@@kohlinoor Airplane reliance on hydraulics is a major weakness. The switch to electro-hydraulics in the newest planes is a huge advance.
No long, vulnerable hydraulic lines any more. It's easier to find alternate routing for a a wire than a hose. And a severed wire doesn't leak as readily.
Props to the first officer. Shame he didn't get much recognition but, here on youtube you are getting it. Good job on flying this plane and showing the captain, crew and passengers you are made of heroic steel.
Shortly before that incident a very experienced retired airline captain pilot friend of mine who did charter flights on the B727 for Nation wide was put under extreme pressure to do a long across water flight with a cracked cockpit window. He refused to fly the aircraft and stopped flying for them.
As he should have. They're asking him to take an absurd risk. If that window fails at cruise elevation, there's guaranteed misery, and high odds of an all souls lost scenario.
@@edifyguy Didn't a cockpit window fail in some other plane, and the pilot was sucked out the window and somehow managed to stay attached to the outside of the aeroplane.
So if anyone asks you to fly with a damaged window...
Yeah....the owner of Nationwide was a great "peace of work" cutting corners everywhere.
@@RennieAsh Yup, Captain Tim Lancaster of British Airways Flight 5390 fame. His poor copilot, Alastair Atchison, and entire crew went through the craziest ordeal to remove his legs from the control, keep him from getting sucked out (potentiallly into the left engine) and to get everyone on the ground safely in the midst of the chaos of a depressurized cabin. No one should have to go through all that, especially if the risks are already known to them.
@@SueArnold-f5gVernon Bricknell was Nationwides' downfall. Luckily no passengers were killed, by this cowboy
This is really teamwork. No matter how good a pilot you are, you need other people's support.
I was in Cape Town and due to fly Nationwide back to the UK later that week, but my flight was cancelled for obvious reasons. We got put on an evening flight with Virgin, business class at no cost to ourselves so it all worked out ok. Every cloud.....
Glad they managed to get that plane back safely, well done to the pilot and everyone else involved
It's so heartening to see such good CRM and the humility shown between the Captain and First Officer was first class. Egos have a bad habit of getting in the way of effective performance and the captain showed great awareness and humility in handing back the controls to a gifted pilot for someone so young and inexperienced. There was also great humility shown by the FO after the fact when it was the Captain that received the award. I hope these two pilots found work after the airline ceased operating.
Thank you for telling this story. I was in the USAF and in 2008, I went to Cape Town for an airshow. They had parked our C-130's next to this jet with its missing engine. I was curious about the story of this plane.
I enjoy watching Mentourpilot. Watching a flight in South Africa, my country. From Capetown to OR Thambo. Awesome.
You make this program so interesting. Thank you
This one is absolutely amazing. Both pilots were incredible, especially the FO for being able to pilot the craft back completely safely, but also the captain who recognized that the FO had the situation well under control and didn't take over when he didn't absolutely need to.
After the plane took off: "hey did you see that? The engine fell off" The other passenger: "Don't worry, these planes can fly safely with one engine".
I can only imagine how self confident he felt when he got out.
Ha, ha... That passenger also deserves an award too.. for good "passenger leadership". I will say.
I can't believe they didn't make attempt to notify the pilots
@@xonx209 You have to watch these pilot channels to know that! Otherwise you assume the pilot knows the engine fell off
@@thewhitefalcon8539 Honestly, I'm not sure I'd assume the cockpit has an "engine is physically present" indicator - like, yes, there's something like 2000 buttons, sensors and switches up there, but...I feel like that means you might want to not include extraneous things that cover circumstances that should literally never happen.
I mean, there's enough sensors in the engine that would just be flatlining in this position that, if they were sitting in a simulator and asked to just diagnose what was physically wrong with the plane, they might well figure it out because no conceivable engine failure short of literal detachment would set *every* sensor to its "no signal" setting, but...again, there's a LOT of stuff to look at in that cockpit, and when you're actually up in the air dealing with the reality of trying to get it down on the ground safely, you're not calmly solving an academic problem, you're suppressing considerable amounts of stress and relying on trained scenarios and emergency checklists to hopefully land safely or at least minimize casualties.
@@xonx209 It was during the take off, what the heck were they supposed to do? Send a snap to the captain?
@@MrMiddleWick Grab the attention of a cabin crew member
I think this really goes to show how extremely well pilots are trained for emergencies! The FO was as really a rookie, but he handled the plane like a pro! Very very impressive!!
I love this video, it shows exemplary CRM and teamwork by all parties involved to make a happy ending. With all the incidents from poor CRM and pilot error, it's easy for the general public to grow a distrust or nervousness in those operating the aircraft. But this shows exactly how things should be handled, exactly how us pilots are trained and execute emergency procedures, exactly how both pilots, especially the captain in showing complete trust in his young FO and humility, are to act. This has definitely become my favorite Mentour Pilot video.
I agree completely, the thing is in those shoes I can imagine the captain wanting to know exactly what the FO was dealing with and taking the controls for a moment, and even knowing fully that the captain could adapt, trusting that "okay now I know what it is doing, and what you're fighting, keep flying" the trust to hand it back over is significant but he's proven he could handle it, I believe from my perspective the captain may have assumed control for just that, as a step to figure out what they were dealing with, and to feel what it was doing to aide in the decision making process. Either way, they both did everything exactly right, the only thing that is a maybe is in most companies policy is any time a deviation or emergency like this occurs, once the plane is secured, they usually have policy to pull the breaker to the CVR to preserve the audio for investigation.
The thing is they did everything else right, and I can safely say even if the company had a similar policy, after going to see the damage and realizing the engine was fully separated, It's easy to imagine that adrenaline and fear through realization being enough to make someone forget something small like that.
@@charlesmayberry2825nowadays microchips (flash memory, SSDs, …) are so cheap that they could put days of cockpit audio on it if they wanted. A number of accidents would be easier to investigate- like the one where cabin pressure was lost and the autopilot flew the hypoxia crew and passengers on for hours until fuel was depleted. Or this one.
A brief note for your animators (who do an amazing job!): when something falls off of an airplane, it doesn’t drop in a straight line to the ground. Because of its forward momentum, it continues to move in the same direction as it is falling (at almost the same speed, although air friction would slow it down as it fell)
This is excellently delivered, useful criticism. And ensures that every one who read it will be aware of this quirk of physics from now on, if they weren't already. 👍🍍
@@PFMediaServicesthe 🍍 emoji is an intriguing choice
@@Hoppp4848secret swinger?
@@Hoppp4848 It's been a personal nickname for years, so I made it part of my business name and punctuation. 🤷🍍
Actually it isn't animation (ig). It is a flight simulator
Congratulations on a great episode. The first officer was heroic, despite near total inexperience. What I cannot understand is why someone overwrote the CVR after the accident. What did they reinstall it on?
It's always so nice to hear about pilots who, in an emergency, continue to communicate, supporting each other and working together! Hats off to all of you!
its actually insane that they didn't even realise they literally LOST one of the engines until after landing, and yet they still controlled the plane perfectly.
amazing pilots
As intersting as the crash reports are, it is nice to see videos on situations that resolved well, particularly when pilots or crew or atc make good decisions.
As a South African it’s sad seeing how often officials in our country sweep things under the rug. Inspections that should take place just don’t and we wonder why our infrastructure is failing, this isn’t only true in the aviation industry but for the country as a whole. Still proud seeing how good a job the pilots did and bringing some good news for us.
I think that's part of the human condition combined with capitalism. The same thing is happening in USA, Australia etc in general. I mean Australia's universal healthcare system is in the toilet. Whilst in America absolutely everything is failing or so it seems.
I understand your dismay but you live in/come from what was/still is in a way essentially a new nation feeling rather than rationalising its way into modernity. As such the takeover of infrastructure likely wasn't based upon the best foundation. The majority of nations it is/was competing against/being compared to have a wealth of experience behind them to fall back upon.
@@FC-PeakVersatility Nope - experience/expertise was/is replaced based on skin-color - check out how 'well' the national power-utility is running - with daily blackouts? And SAA has also been run into the ground - corruption, mismanagement - plus racial politics.
Trevor Arnold is living proof of a great operator and also huge praise for Daniel Perry his P2. This report is about the best aviation report ever put together.. CONGRATULATIONS !!
As someone with no experience in aviation lurking on your videos and learning the safety measures that are in place, a video about this is so reassuring. Happy New Year, Captain, and thank you for all you do!
I'm from Cape Town and obviously know about this incident but never saw a detailed analysis of what happened. I Never knew about the situation on the runway. I can't believe George airport could handle all the diverted traffic though. Thanks for an excellent review as usual. It was great seeing my hometown featuring a happy ending aviation story.
The passenger calmly stating that planes can fky with one engine really speaks volumes to the overall safety we enjoy while flying.
My heart was in my throat listening to how all the pieces worked together, as intended, to prevent a terrible accident.
This outcome was a result of decades of learning and improving from past mistakes and is something we should all strive for regardless of our profession or way of life.
Amazing video!
For decades, larger airliners had four engines, so the shift from four engines to two for the sake of greater efficiency, not greater safety, requires an extreme level of confidence in the remaining single engine. One incident of a remaining singe engine failing would have a profound effect on public opinion and the industry.
@@777rogerfEven then, aircraft generally have a pretty good gliding range.
I'd say it speaks volumes about the confidence of that one passenger... But the fact that they were struggling at the cockpit and quickly decided to go back says otherwise...
@@bassaniobrokenhart5045
I mean, I doubt anyone would decide to fly anywhere with a major malfunction like that. They were able to get a somewhat stable flight after the take off so they used that opportunity to troubleshoot. Once they found an engine wasn’t working, it’s clear they had no other choice. And the plane did manage to fly back pretty alright considering.
@@bassaniobrokenhart5045they were close to an airport, it would make sense to turn back than keep flying.
A very long story, but I was on a plane that took a bird strike. A fire started in the engine and we made emergency landing. I can't tell you of all the screaming in terror, the feeling you're going to die and the horror of the moment. But, when we landed, everyone screamed for joy and shouted THANK YOU CAPTAIN over and over. Truly his quick thinking and skill saved us all.
Being a South African who loves aviation, I clearly remember this incident and all the issues revealed about Nationwide management. Thank you Peta for your insights.
I love your videos Petter, so incredibly well presented & explained!! You have an extremely rare talent in explaining these complicated topics in an intuitive way most people can understand, I've honestly learnt so much from your videos, far more than any documentary I've seen on TV! Thank you so much for what you do, I have great respect for you & your work. Hands down best aviation channel on TH-cam!
Props to everyone involved in the safe landing of the aircraft, but also specifically the first officer that performed above and beyond what his experience would lead to be expected.
I’m pretty new to this channel, as I’ve had a fear of flying all my life and couldn’t bring myself to watch documents on crashes. But now, as I recover from my fear, I’ve been gaining strength to watch these. I love how you explained this. Other people I’ve seen write a documentary on this didn’t tell the story as great as you did.
Thanks for recognizing the ground workers too. And I love how that one passenger was like “oh, engine fell off? Nah, it’s fine.” Like it happened everyday, haha.
This is the right place to learn and overcome your fear.
Just remember the next time you use a escalator they are much much much more dangerous. ;)
@@kevinsellsit5584don't worry I'm terrified of those as well 🥴
Me too, I’m terrified of flying but knowing all theese procedures are in place and getting updated regularly helps me not be so scared :) also mostly theese succes stories were no one dies or only a couple dies but the plane gets landed safely are a lot better than the stories of complete crashes
Agreed, I love the analysis at the end of these about what the report recommended, and the reflection of todays safety checks on place because it them.
I would have travelled within Europe on circa 23 flights. Some were a bit turbulent, most were were smooth and less than 4 were very bumpy.
When I see the amount of crashes taking place now I would never fly again. God bless all who continue to fly but it is not for me.
I have to thank you. Just through this TH-cam channel I have gone from too scared to stand under a flight path (plane 30-40,000ft) to that passenger who calms the others.
I fly regularly, Aviation Engineering is a degree I considered when choosing a degree at my University. If the Nursing Degree has more hiccups I will transfer. I’m determined to find a way to try the Simulator. Unlikely, but I can dream.
So thanks for creating an AV geek from a plane phobic.
I’m passing on to the next generation the love of flying. I can see some budding engineers with serious potential.
It’s not just helping the nervous, it’s the passion that is communicated, and then passed on to the next generation.
Aviation needs passionate people in all roles, from educated passengers, to ramp workers, service crew, pilots, engineers and technicians.
There are many heroes in this story: The captain "do not fix what is running", the first officer with a short experiences and who I most appreciate: the air traffic controller (fast good reaction and doing the best of his/her job) ... great teamwork👍
WOW!!! First time I've seen this incident covered by anyone. Brings back a lot of memories. I was working that afternoon during this emergency as the ATC on Area handling all the traffic in and out of Cape Town, including all those diversions to George. What a day!
I need to ask, Were you the guy they told to shut up? lol
"Look, piss off, we're in the middle of something, you clown."
"Er, right... Well, just letting you know you're about to fly into a mountain. Might want to scribble that down on a post-it note and come back to it when you've got a spare moment."
".... Oh."
Wonderful story and outcome. Teamwork, respect, skill and humility in the cockpit are so important.
Couldn't agree more! 💕💕
This is probably the only situation I can allow applause and cheering after a landing.
I am very impressed by the pilot and how he really let the first officer to handle the aircraft. This is a handbook example how team work really works. I'm so impressed by all involved in the cockpit.
I am very happy and relieved to see that airlines have learned the lessons from AAL 191 and changed their post engine failure procedures and trained pilots in these sceneries. I was 5 years old when AAL 191 crashed in my town and even today everyone who went through that experience still talks about where they were, what they saw and who they knew on that flight.
I was 10 when this accident happen and years later I had the chance to meet the tower controller on duty and the captain of this aircraft. The level of pilot training in South Africa is excellent as shown in this accident. The crew did such a good job
Too bad the maintenance training and procedures weren’t given the same type of training!😮
@@57Jimmy Indeed.
@@CapecodhamHe did 🤷
Ex pilot same training schedule as you, Cape Town then Stellenbosch then onwards... I remember this event very well..... With a heavy heart I must rather suggest your phrase to be "the level of pilot training in SA was excellent".
@@godfreypatrick9792 If it 'was' excellent, I wonder why so many foreign nationals enrol to South African pilot training centers🤔
In '60s when they were new, Dentist and Fishin Buddy at airport to show off his new Skymaster. He was so proud, but remarked she's bit doggie versus this morning. Halfway down runway I asked what's 2nd tach reading zero for, and he yelled "Start Rear Engine". I started, revved engine, just barely made it off, and he said, "Glad I noticed it! That would of left us in the trees!" On bright side, dentistry free until he retired 12 years later! He had taught self not to screw up by using his pocketbook!! Bet ya won't find that method in your FAA Manual!!
My wife was cabin crew for Comair at the time. They were at the gate waiting for their flight an had a clear view of the runway and could see the engine laying on the ground. Hats off to the flight crew, but also to the aircraft. The combination of sound machines and wide awake crew makes that we can fly without fear.
Did she keep working for the airline after viewing that?!
Absolutely incredible work from everyone involved, but holy cow that first officer Perry was absolutely awesome. Incredible handling and (seemingly) calm attitude let them get on with everything they needed to do perfectly. I did chuckle out loud at "Whaddya mean gone" because I can only imagine how shakily he must have walked down those steps after that!
In 2008, Captain Arnold was awarded the world's highest and rarest aviation honor.
The Polaris Air Award.
Yep, as mentioned in the video
I forgive them the fuel balancing, this is worthy of a very big applause. Also it's probably a good thing that the whole engine ended up falling off, that floppy thing with unreliable trust control seemed more lethal than having no number two engine at all. Great story!
Absolutely!
I believe engines are attached with an engineered weak point so that in the event of a really hard landing or other severe physical shock they will break free instead of causing more damage
@@horticultural_industries Pretty sure he said exactly that in the video
@@JohnVanderbeck oh
My brother’s wife worked in Nationwide Head Offices when all this happened.. the company was run basically by the owner who was well known in the industry by then to prefer taking his money out the country than spending anything on maintenance.. a lot of documentation was destroyed deliberately, also none of Nationwide’s employees got advance notice that the company will be closing its doors- she apparently went to work and as she got there- the company’s doors were locked with a paper stuck to the doors, with a notice stating that every one can go home, Nationwide is closed permanently..
from, the methodic, processes from the pilot, the crew member, and that passenger saying the can indeed fly on one engine. the ATC, and firefighters and ground crew. is amazing.
It's heartwarming that even in airlines which lack attention to the security there are incredible pilots ready to save the day, thanks for the video
Great video! As a matter of fact, one of my work superiors at the time was on this flight. He told us his recollection many times. He has since passed, but the story still remains.
Wow! Exceptional courage, humility, teamwork, and sheer talent/merit in this story by every person mentioned. The first officer in particular shines in an unbelievably amazing performance. But also the composed captain, the calm ATCs, the proactive firefighters and airport employees, and also the passengers who comforted each other and cooperated with the cabin crew.
There's a dc-8 version (I forgot call sign code) where engine number 3 detached and hit number 4, which results in both of them falling from the sky. They also managed to land the aircraft while wing right caught on fire after flaps extended.
And a Boeing 707 for Trans-air Service flight 671... Lost 2 engines and landed safely.
and lets not forget the el al 747 crash in amsterdam. engine 3 broke free and crashed into engine 4, breaking it off too. the 747 ended up crashing into an apartment block. fortunately it was a freighter. if it had been full of passengers, the body count would have beenMUCH higher.
@@mrxmry3264 I know it's probably not intended as such, but you almost make it sound as the lives of the people in the apartment block are less important.
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you're right, that's not what i meant. i just wanted to point out that if it had been a passenger jet, it would have been much worse.
@@mrxmry3264 Unfortunately, it hit an apartment block with many unregistered citizens inside. The final death toll is unknown, but is known to be much higher than the official number due to the amount of people in the building that weren't even know to be in the country.
As someone living in Cape Town I can say that the South African pilots are truly some of the best in the world, same goes for ATC and ground crews! Unfortunately government and corporate bureaucracy restricts maintenance and legal operations 😢
I am very impressed with the flight animation, scenery and airport conditions are very realistic!
Love your channel, come stay over for a week next time you visit the Mother city Peter
How does government restricts maintenance?
@@misterhustle7631 "Hey! You over there. Stop doing that maintenance!" Or words to that effect.
@@misterhustle7631 have you heard of Eskom?
Amazing work by the first officer here. Countless stories we have heard of an inexperienced FO causing major problems. Love that he immediately feels like its an engine failure and goes to add left rudder. Many would pull on the stick instead.
I've personally flown with Captain Arnold with a low cost carrier in South Africa. He is a gentleman and very knowledgeable and experienced captain. One of the miraculous stories to come out of SA aviation.
Very professional apart from the maintenance side, I remember checking them bolts and there is a visual indication for the rear mount you can see from the cabin if that has gone.
As someone who flew Nationwide and who has flown into and out of CPT international a few times, thanks for this, was wondering when someone would pick up this incredible story.
You have to respect this crew, thanks to staying calm and working together, they saved all the souls on board.
Excellent work by everyone. Shout out to the FO for his amazing airmanship and to the captain for supporting him.
But think about how much money we saved on maintenance!
Always makes me shy away from small operations especially when they have my family's lives in their hands. Amazing job by the pilots (and likely the FA team). Great story, well told. Thank you for another excellent production!
This kind of great aviators should be celebrated more! Not just when stuff almost hits the fan but also when it never does. All pilots should be motivated to be like Captain Arnold
I have no experience in aviation, but for me... That first officer deserves an award🥇
What a coincidence! My dad and I were talking about this just last week! The airline was the preferred airline of the company I worked for. A couple of months before the accident, Nationwide made an announcement that they have listened to customers and they would stop offering free in flight food and beverage services, because people would rather have more variety to choose from that they would pay for. The first thing I said was oops they are in financial trouble, where else are they cutting costs.... 😬