Timed testing a size SMALL trail bike VS XL enduro bike... Oh Crap.
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- I was shocked at the results. Truly shocked.
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I think the majority of riders appreciate tests or comparisons just like this. Less scientific crazy detail and more real-world back to back tests between two different bikes. Best takeaway is just what you said. For most riders it really doesn’t make that big of a difference in times. Ride what you have if you love it and stop stressing over parts, this or that aspect of geometry and just enjoy the ride!
Totally agree. However, I just bought Pole Evolink only because of the geometry(and looks) as I'm taller rider and although my old bike was perfect and I enjoyed it a ton, the evolink is so much more comfortable to ride. So the geometry is important for some riders like me. Maybe not because of how much faster it is supposed to be, but because of the fit and comfort.
František Taraba I think what you have done is the right way to go about it and good reasoning for decision making. So many these days seem to focus and obsess too much on geometry and how it will effect this or that in their riding. Congrats on the new ride!!
Really interesting video, thanks for making it! I've never been into the modern long bikes, but that was more from a fun perspective, not from a timed perspective. Really interesting to see that even timed runs are not much different!
P J that’s poor form to shit on one channel to promote another, buddy.
Looking at the way his mate 'Tom' was pulling away in the first test - I would loved to have seen the pecking order reversed maybe a week later - Big bike first etc. (looks like fitness was an issue to me - backing up the following morning might have biased the true results as well). Always going to be 'what if we did it like this' scenarios though . Just my thoughts . Cheers
Yeah
"I am not an xc racer, why does anybody do that to themselves?" as an xc racer I just wanna say, I have no idea either
😂😂
I'm a CX racer and I constantly ask myself that question when I'm racing too.
That's funny, I raced xc for ten years and I constantly asked myself "why am I doing this to myself?"🤔
As long as I overtake someone while climbing , I don't question it.
Every race a voice comes into my head "WHYYYYYYYYYY???"
"ride what you got because its probably great", best comment I've heard buddy, probably not the one the sales departments want to hear but definitely the truest 👌great video, great riding 👍
Ryan - I have. theory... When you're on the smaller bike it's probably easier and more natural to get your weight over the front of the bike. This means you will get more traction in the front and cornering will feel better - Now it may just be camera angle and such, but when you're on the big bike your arms seem to be straight a lot of the time....which to me would indicate that you're hanging too far back and therefore less traction in the front, which causes you to be a little more conservative. I would look into your weight distribution on the bike and see if you can get more centred..... focus on bringing your weight a little more forward on the big bike..... have fun with it and see if that makes a difference. Cheers...Alan.
My buddy Mike in Kamloops has a V1 Ripmo. He wend with a medium, even though he's 6'0". He rode a large Enduro prior..... after a year of his Ripmo, he literally RIPS! He wishes he had the large, but who knows. He always says to get over that front tire....I understand what you're saying...me at 6'4" my knees would be against the bars. LOL. Cheers!
@@micheandmikey yeah at 6' 4" you'd likely be on on XL so a Large might be an option - you could always try some bars with a little rise in them maybe? But yes - weighting the wheels more evenly is very helpful. A lot of people lean back in corners.... a difficult, but worthy, habit to break. 👍🏼
Just love your videos. I've been getting back into them over the holidays. I tend to watch more vids based in Scotland but your stuff is excellent. The edits and your style both on the bike and in the quality of your commentary is superb. It is really inspiring me as a rider and a creator. Awesome buddy 👍
I think these tests do show exactly what I would expect. Climbing is going to be easier on a smaller, lighter, trail bike than an enduro. Descending a bit better on the enduro. I think if you had a more sustained technical descent with chunky roots and rocks, you would have seen a bigger advantage from the enduro, specially with the bigger wheels.
I think the telling part was that on one of the descents you said it felt more fun on the smaller bike. This is how I feel about 27 vs 29" wheels. I know the 29's are faster but they feel less fun. And I'm continually torn about going to an enduro bike. I think because when we look back at what we ride our thoughts focus on the technical sections, being the memorable ones, so of course we think an enduro would make it go smoother - and it would, but the reality is it's usually a small portion of the trails we actually do ride.
Makes me wonder how you'd do on a more appropriately sized Mojo.
or a lightened up rimpo,
Asking the real questions here...
@@MattPayne1 You mean just regular one. 100% stock. Probably better
I haze Zips on my Ripmo and I love them. A year of riding rocks and roots and they are still true and look pretty good too. Plus the ride on them is fantastic
100% agree. I love those wheels!
People will always complain about test like this but. They ARE fun to watch. It's good content. That 1.3 seconds matters to racers but not really the rest of us.
@Marty See or perhaps that would reduce grip and slow him down.
More vid ideas!
@Marty See Thanks for proving my point!
I can't help but notice you weren't wearing the same gloves in each test. This obviously pollutes your data and nullifies the tests.
*- Some person that took a semester of physics or something.*
Well the coefficient of friction was different and altered resonance frequencies affected bar grip. -someone that should be riding
I've always felt both at-home on a smaller bike and intimidated by large bikes. I always get a medium despite "recommended measurements" telling me I should get a large. I'm just gonna take this video as proof that I've been right all along. Thanks Ryan!
same i ride small bikes even tho i should ride medium or large , i like being able to flick the bike about i come from bmx
I mean I've seen the opposite happen. So there is that. It really isn't the bike 99% of the time. It is usually the rider 99% of the time. If Ryan can't do the same as he can on his bike vs. his wife's bike then I think that says more about Ryan then the bikes.
@@Reds11288 I totally agree. I was just trying to be funny but tone doesn't come across well in comments.
drumandbassob0007 How tall are you?
"Being timed on climbing...sucks"! Truth. So much truth.
Very interesting results but I agree, just have fun and run what ya brung!
Exactly!
Man, from the vid the Ibis 4 looked scary af. You were pitched so far forward, it didn’t look like you had any room for error. And that to me is the real reason for the longer, slacker bikes. At 48 and not looking to crash anymore, the extra safety net that the longer, slacker bikes provide is a godsend when I’m pushing it in high speed gnar, or pushing my limits with size of a jump or drop, or as my form gets off a bit from exhaustion at the end of my ride. The longer slacker bikes just say, “don’t worry, I got you.” Whereas the smaller bikes say, “eat this tree mfer- what you doing thinking you could hit that- serves you right.” Lol.
Yeah my XXL Hightower has definitely saved me from some brutal fuck ups lol
He was also on a bike two sizes too small. Still stands the Ripmo would be the more stable bike, but just a bit of a grain of salt.
the bike doesn’t matter, as long as there is a bike, then it’s good✌️😂
Can’t argue with that!
Great videos man! I love racing against my own times and see where I’m faster. However, going fast has nothing to do with the best bike. I’m a little confused as to why so many compassion videos are about finding out what bike is fastest, the fastest bike is not the best bike. The best bike is what fits you, what’s fun to ride, what you like and what makes you smile. Being fast is so far down list of important items, ride a bike that fits your style and where you ride. At the end of the ride it’s all about enjoying the sport.
Derek Couture i agree 100% I had just as much fun in the 1990’s on my mtb as I do today.
You are absolutely correct sir!
Yes. Surprising to me how speed is always prioritised over fun. Nothing better than a bike with smaller wheels and short chainstays that pops on everything.
I think it's partly because you cant really measure fun. Hitting the same trail with more speed is usually more fun for a lot of us, as it's tied into a lot of fun factors such as riding confidence, air time, and opens up new gaps and obstacles. That, and if you are buying a new bike, why not buy the one that will help you ride faster?
@@kemptonrobert that's fine if the faster bike is just faster, but that simple straight-line speed is usually bought at the expense of the things that make a bike fun. It's great for manufacturers. Long low bikes are easy to make. Getting nice short stays on a bike and keeping reasonable tyre clearance is much more difficult, but makes for a bike you can bunnyhop at a moments notice instead of needing to book it in in advance by compressing the fork etc.
This video explains why you are seeing XC bikes get more travel and more slack. I bought a new bike this year and tested some XC race bikes and ended up buying a TB4 because it was almost as fast and infinitely more fun. Great work man I love this channel.
Those trails probably favored the smaller dimensions and wheel size of the Mojo, on a run of the mill blue trail I wouldn't expect much of a difference between a trail bike and an enduro bike. Go on something much steeper and gnarlier and that is where the enduro bike is going to shine. Translation, being overbiked isn't necessarily faster.
I agree. On the other hand, being overbiked doesn't make you slower, either. So, always go overbiked
The thing is that most riders ARE riding run of the mill blue trails on their bikes so this is an apt comparison for the average rider. For steeper terrain and bigger features of course the gnarred out enduro bike is going to be faster - that's the point of them.
Yep my MTB is a small hardtail Rockhopper as I'm only 5 foot six inches tall, but my wheels are 29 inches.
Speed then, plus a small bike easier to throw about, and wide handlebars i find are better for control snd landing coming off jumps.
Great video.
Thank you.
I normally ride a Norco Aurum but one day I borrowed my moms size small Liv bike and I never went so danm fast in my life!! 😂
Fun video. And a good reminder that downhill bikes that you can pedal, won't necessarily be faster on the kind of trail that most people actually ride. Lots of variables. Tight times. Sounds like if you ride a large, long bike, it's a lot of fun to try a smaller frame that feels more nimble. And vice versa I bet as well.
Was not expecting those results... I have a V1 Ripmo since I live in the Midwest. I tested the HD5. Both great bikes. I think massive amounts of grin inducing fun can be had on both. Great video.
As a trek remedy 9.8 owner I can attest to the fun that the geo of something like the remedy or Mojo can provide. With the trek having a bit more travel (160/150) it would likely bridge the gap between the two bikes you tested here. When I bought the remedy I felt it would only be good on the knarly stuff but it’s actually a pretty well rounded under 30lb bike on all but the flattest XC trails.
Great write up.
From a “watching on a screen” perspective you seemed more composed on the size small mojo. Kind of interesting that you made this video because just last year I bought a Pivot Mach6 Carbon in size medium. If you measure me, I’m a size large and all of my other bikes are a large. I test rode the Pivot and I just felt like I could rip a lot harder on the medium.
I’m at the ends of small and medium for every bike company and I ended up with a small transition patrol. I absolutely love it and will go snappy over speedy any day
I’m a large but I always ride medium
@@EW27 Love the Patrol.👍 Had a blast on that bike when I demoed one.
Technically I should be on an an XL, but the one time I actually owned & rode a bit of everything on my XL bike, I found it oddly cumbersome/less maneuverable in most situations and wished I was back on a LG.
Now, back on a LG.
I feel like with the new trend in geometry being long and low, a lot of riders can get away with a size down from what they're technically supposed to be on.
Especially those with a BMX background like myself.
@@sethnicholls7861 Based on my height i should be on a small stumpjumper, but I was talked into a medium (long body, very short legs). But now the reach on my 2017 medium is the same as a current model small.
Glad you enjoyed the comparison, appreciate your video Ryan, awesome as always! I went with a medium 5010 last year which was on the smaller side for my height and I love it. Body position is def a big factor when riding a smaller frame, gotta be a little pickier with the lines on a smaller travel bike but its really improved my riding going to a smaller snappier bike. Just have to finds what suits you best!
Oh Boy, if I would have these kinda trails nearby, the bike would be irrelevant! I would take a wheelbarrow, just to ride them.
Thanks, for the nice content. Greetings from Germany
Great video, I fell into looking at the numbers when I was searching for a bike this year, and everything that I thought made sense really didn't actually matter.. just ride what ya got because its probably pretty great!
On top of everything the XL bike is his daily driver so he's super used to it. It's amazing that a small and new bike was basically just as fast.
How tall are you? What is your recommended size for those Ibis bikes?
This guy deserves way more subs and views his content is incredible
Thanks!
The quote is “ride What you get“. Congrat! Great video and confirms what I always say, ride for fun! Everything elae doesn’t matters if you are having great time
Really good video. Nice to see some honest opinions and sound advice. Looks like some great trails!
In many cases we are over biked went from a medium 2016 khs trail bike 120mm to a large Bronson. I found it to be softer less zippy but more stable overall.
Im agree with you. I'm 5'9 and I was searching 29er with medium reach number, slack hta and good wheel base, and i found only 2 bikes on market with this : Specialized stumpjumper (S2 size) evo and Cube stereo 170 (18' or M size) and really it's perfect 446 reach, and i feel very comfy on bike. I was also trying new commencal meta am with reach 470, but its like a boat, I don't know why commencal go for such big reach number..
So i buyed Cube stereo 170 because of specs, and im very happy with it
Did you take into account that this is during a waxing moon phase? 🌛
Lol
This was just great fun to watch.! It does come down to the rider now a days. The bikes are all that good...Keep up the hard work, always looking forward to the next edit.!
I can't believe how close those times are! once again a testament to it being the rider, not the bike... That said I'd definitely be curious to see how much you'd enjoy a hard tail odyssey!
I'll never forget the first time I came bombing down No Homers connector on my 100mm hardtail, it doesn't look too bad on camera but my teeth were getting shaken out of my skull Haha!
Haha I'll bet! Ya definitely rougher than it looks, as per usual. I'd love to try Odyssey on a HT one day.
This was fun to watch!
Bigger is slower, but also, these trails were on the green end of green. I bet a hardtail would be as fast.
I have a Large Orbea Occam, and a Medium Orbea Laufey to simply test this theory. I really enjoy riding the Laufey, granted its a hardtail, slacker geometry vs my older Occam - but the smaller bike feels more nimble, playful and fun to chuck around on things. My next bike will be a Medium Enduro.
As a TR Patrol rider that has a hard tail fuse as my B.U.B. I have realized I am typically "overbiked" on my patrol. But! Really it's all about fun and fitness. Hard to get a crappy bike nowadays. All the high end bikes are basically 🚀 ships nowadays! Ode to the days of riding Moab on a full rigid!
To me the results make perfect sense. In neither case was the rider gear limited, but rather skill or fitness limited. This is not to say anything bad about the rider, it's more a testimonial to how great both of these Ibis bikes are. What I found most interesting is the level of fun seemed higher on the smaller bike vs the generally faster ripmo for the rider. I wonder if that's mainly just a wheel size thing. 650b is fun!
You climb faster than I descend.
I still ride a 26 inch enduro from so long ago. Don't like the trend of large 29ers that suck up all the roughness.
Big bikes for fast and stable rides, small bikes for mad fun
Great vid. I think the enduro bike would have shined more if you were riding steeper, chunky, more critical trails. Those trails looked pretty standard for a “Trail” bike.
I'm watching some of your videos to learn things.
Wow..........that is a great shot!!!
I think many bike companies are making Trail bikes that are more stable and aggressive. They’re probably best category and if you choose the right bike you could probably just switch out wheel sets and a few parts on go more extreme on your Trail bike or go more tame and make it any easy climber.
I could have gone with a large GT Sensor, but got a medium instead - it is one playful bike
I've found the smaller 27.5 bikes to be a lot more controllable, and ride better on jumps, really tight downhill tech, etc. IMO, bigger isn't always better, as has been the trend lately. At some point you end up with a bike that's just too darn big.
I think the only thing frame size really counts for is comfort, and the only thing long travel counts for is racing double black diamond trails. I care about both! So I go for the bike that's a bit longer and bigger. It is very hard to ride at race speed down a double black diamond trail without suspension to help out.
The only thing I really really care about for geo is the saddle to handlebar distance, and I try to keep that the same between all my bikes regardless of any other measurement. Head angle, reach, etc. is just flavour after that measurement.
Doesn’t surprise me the fact they are basically the same times especially on those trails.
Your summary was spot on!
Maybe it was just me but it appeared that the Ripmo carried more speed through the flowy, open sections. Looked like you were hauling some serious ass. Fun vid!
That was a good comparison video. I think we can all agree that climbing while being timed sucks.
I just recently went with a Revel Rascal over an Ibis Ripmo for some of these reasons - the smaller, more playful bike that everyone raves about being "fun to ride" indeed turned out to be that way when I test rode it
Maybe we weren't that wrong back in late nineties early two thousands when we opted for smaller bikes. But I love my Ripmo V1 in large (I'm 182cm). My last bike was a 26 inched Giant Reign in what should be a bit too small size for me, and I loved that bike as well. Guess I just love riding, and I love the the end of the day, that's what counts.
Has that intro got a green screen behind it? Cause it looks hella perfect! :D
No, I used to live in canmore. It looks just like that pretty much everywhere.
That’s Canada buddy. It’s nice 👍
Shawn allen. Canmore is a small town in alberta
The Freeride Division yeah. Been there 20 times. 3 sisters are beautiful....
New sub here . Thanks for making this kind of video .. we can all see for ourselves what is happening and form our own opinions ( which is awesome ) . Not like some other channels were the tester says he likes every bike he rides ( no pros or cons ?? with those guys ) Keep up the good work and keep making these videos .
Very cool comparison, I'm on the line between a M and L bike and always picked a Large. I have always wondered how a smaller medium would feel... Next purchase, I'm going to try to get a ride on both!
If you usually ride a xl bike, how the hell did you manage to do all that climb on an size S bike? That had to kill your legs.
It's almost like it is the more rider than the equipment.
Great video!
Would’ve been nice of you to add small and the XL on the comparison charts,
I couldn’t remember which one was which
Just shows that you're a very consistent rider no matter what bike you're on. Plus you can have good days and bad days. And there's also a bit of a randomness factor into which lines you might take here and there and of course track conditions from one day to the next. Fun video though! I'll have to get out to Canmore and try the trails. I've so far just ridden a bunch of West Bragg Creak trails.
It's not the bike, it's the rider... have you not ever heard this?
PROOF!
Nice video! :-)
Yeah but that's not particularly correct...
@@thelongestnameinthecomment9677 Few commenting here could compete with someone like Blake on GMBN if they were on top 10,000 dollar bike and he was on cheap hardtail, regardless of trail.
@@3mtech maybe you should read what i said again but slowly...
@@thelongestnameinthecomment9677 I am slow. Is it the bike or the rider?
@@3mtech it's the rider primarily but saying that it's the rider not the bike isn't completely correct, the bike plays a large part in how well you ride, sure if you compare to other people it might not work as well but if you compare your own times there's no doubt the bike makes a difference
ive seen that a lot of racers size down for this reason: speed. the bigger bikes are mainly just more comfortable.. thats my take on it.
I'm a fan of riding the correct size bike. This is unrelated to your testing, but FWIW it reminds me of how annoying it is when some 5'10" medium-build bike reviewer insists on testing a bike designed for someone 3 inches taller and heavier, all in the name of "I like larger bikes". And then that reviewer proceeds to trash talk the review bike's handling characteristics.
Though they are riding trails on a full suspension that are like the trails I ride on a 29er hardtail, which is a lot lighter and easier to get up to speed.
I'm 6 ft 1 inch, have been mtb'ing for over three decades, downhilling for two decades. . From day one I've preferred a slightly smaller frame than recommended. Just felt more comfortable and could move the bike around quicker and easier.
Ride what you’ve got is a good outlook. I am the only one of all my friends who is on an entry level hardtail. Everyone else is on a carbon full sus but at the end of the day I’ve ridden all but a few features on the trails we ride. Only avoiding a few drops, gaps, and stuff I really don’t think I would be able to make work with the limited grip that I have.
Darragh I’m talking an entry level xc hardtail against full on enduro bikes. I’m probably going to get a strive because the last time I rode a full sus 150/160 29er I was able to carry speed everywhere and jump more consistently than on my hardtail.
I love your ending comments. Great video.
I got a new bike this year, a superbike enduro machine to replace my really old crappy geo XC full suspension bike that was horrible to ride. I have yet to beat my old Strava times on my new bike yet...hmmm
Terrific video, very constructive and informative.
rider makes most of the difference, bikes these days are so good, as long as you have the skills, you can do anything.
I remember riding up the meadow and jumping onto the odyssey climb and seeing you guys filming the intro. For sure a awesome dirt day. Great video keep up the good work. Maybe run into you one day on trail! Heeeeeyyyooo!
In the next episode this guy will ride his friends hardtail and make a video about all the FUN he didn't even know he has been missing LOL.
After trying out lots of types of bikes and personally finding out why most of them aren’t popular or available- I’m convinced that 29er and the wide handlebars that accompany them really aren’t the best for most people. I’m willing to bet he would have been even quicker on a smaller tire/bars enduro bike.
Are you trying to say the MTB industry has been talking crap to sell us more bikes all this time, surely not....
Great video, probably what we knew but needed a trusted fellow rider to remind us.
Got to say both bikes in the review look stunning...
Haha could be. They both had very different riding characteristics, so it really comes down to the type of ride you’re after.
Now the most interesting question is how you’d do on a middle of the pack 140-150mm travel trail bike in size L with like 760mm bars. Would it also make no difference or would you hit a sweet spot that would make you question your XL enduro preference?
That mojo is such a nice looking bike!
Interesting result. Might be worth exploring further. Like longer runs where body fatigue plays a role or different weather conditions. Something real world related.
The extra suspension on the ripmo doesn't make it any faster of a ride (depending on the trail), but I'm betting the mojo took more work to make up for the lack of suspension travel. Pumping and pedaling both get better results with less suspension. In most situations I'd go lean on the suspension. It's worth the extra work IMO.
I think 140-150 are the perfect trail geometry they are so much fun.
But we always shan’t more🤣🤘
This one is a real life test! Well done! 👊🏼
Great vid! I am actually not that surprised. Next you should see how your times are different on a high end aggressive hardtail compared to your full squish (similar grade components). I have found that I am pretty much as fast on my aggressive 27.5 130mm hardtail as I am on my 29er 140/150mm trail bike on most trails. Sure if it is extra rowdy, the FS is faster and offers more control, comfort and confidence, but since both have great geometry with similar length, HA and reach, they both rip.
I sort of noticed the same thing myself after riding a Giant trance 1 size M for a couple seasons and then going to a Pole Evolink 140 size L. I didn't make any personal records for a long time and still haven't on some sections. It's the turns that make the biggest time difference i feel like, harder to do them fast on a big bike and harder to get back to speed if you mess it up a bit. Anyways, riding is fun! :)
Well that was 18min of watching enjoyment for a Sunday evening :)
Ent! Mountain biking is fun, ride what you've got & uphills suck, timed or not! Lol. Riiiiiiggggghhhhtttt onnnnn!
Stress less, ride more! Stay safe!
Keep up the good work.
I did something like this in Sunpeaks 2 years ago, my 130mm vs my Demo 8 and it was crazy how different both bikes felt, can't wait to get back to Sunpeaks next week to see if I've improved and closing day at kicking horse 😃😃
An interesting note....The size small mojo 4 shown here is the same size (e.g. reach) as the size large mojo 3.
Am I the only one who thinks not showing what you look like riding both is a huge and important thing that should not have been left out? Super interesting though. If geo isn't everything, then why do I still want a new bikes? LOL
If I was in the market for a new bike, your video would make me consider the 29er sized in small with narrower bars. It might be a perfect mix.
Great video...very interesting. But I’m thinking that bike selection is less about the timing and speed and more about the ability to ride difficult features: drops, jumps, steep terrain and gnarly line selection.
I am a mere 5'10" and went from an old school 26 in med. with a 42" wheel base to a large HD4, after getting used to it I am faster, more stable and planted and I feel safer and more confident. I do have to muscle the bike a bit more but I kinda like that! Anyway Ibis rules!
It would be great to see this same thing but both bikes be 29, it's pretty much established that 29ers are faster both up and down. So I guess the gap should increase for mojo. Was fun to watch
Next vid? "Swansea road gap on my wife's bike" ?
Curious to see how the shorter travel 29’er (Ripley) would fare in this comparison. Great review, though!
Its not great going down
You should do the same test again with a dpx2 or equivalent on the ripmo. Coil kinda blew it for the climbing portion, i suspect.
If you would have chosen a more brutal, chunky, face paced, proper enduro track, then the odds of the Ripmo outshining the Mojo would have been higher .... at least that's my hypothesis. If you were to race an EWS on the 2, the differences would probably be greater.
It indeed shows that the rider is the most important factor.
Damn that Chris King buzz sounds amazing!!
It really does :D
Run those 4 with SC Heckler!