Michelin's DONE IT (other brands...look out)
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If you are sponsored by Michelin, it’s really easy to recommend them.. A proper test should be done with both or more brands and same conditions.
Yeah, not sure I can take anything from this video at all...
More brands would still be subjective. If you don't trust his opinion, just say so.
My dude, nothing about this video is presented as if it's trying to be a "proper test". It's an ad - this was a media event specifically to get first impressions from riders and show off new product - nothing more, nothing less.
i ve only seen balance comparison, the difference was the side knobs. Better knobs maybe worth it.
Yeah, not the first blatant shill content from this channel recently either. Time to hit the “don’t recommend content from this channel” button.
Probably should have had a much more apparent disclaimer at the beginning that Michelin is a sponsor. Especially given the comparison to Maxxis in the title
Agreed.
They probably paid him extra to shit on maxxis XD. That being said Maxxis is good but not the best from my personal experience, they do offer the best performance to cost though. I personally prefer the Michelin Wild Rock'r to the Maxxis DHR
Agreed. It seems this is the way things are going. You can't get an honest review on you tube anymore and content creators are just creating glorified ads and using their viewers to make money. It should be a two way street but what if any benefit does content like this provide to anyone? It's just an ad and I bet most people watching don't realize that!
The Michelin website is extremely confusing. There are so many different enduro/e-bike/downhill tires and nowhere is it explained exactly where the differences are. Each rubber compound has its own entry, instead of each profile having its own entry where you can then click on the different rubber compounds like Schwalbe. There is a Wild Enduro, MagiX, GumX, Wild Enduro Racing Line, Wild Enduro MH, Wild Enduro MS, E-Wild Front, E-Wild rear and so on. Simply extremely confusing. That's the only reason I haven't tried Michelin tires yet. I just don't know which one to try because it's so confusing.
Same for Maxxis. Theres like 10 different options for a specific use scenario
This is what I was going to say. WAY too much going on. Too hard to find the info. So many websites like that these days. I can't count how many times I've been interested in a product and just gave up.
@@HarryKulohMaxxis is a piece of cake though compared to Michelins website.
just go to your local bike shop and ask then
@@Stanley88845 My local bikeshop is run by idiots. They tried to convince me that the UDH didn't exist and I needed to give them a valid manufacture and frame for them to order me a derailer hanger. I gave up and oredered it online.
Put the tires on a downhill bike. Do a run blind. Time it. Reprat with each tire set. Check times. Debrief after each run making sure the rider doesn't see the tires.
Always wanted to do that!
I've always taken those timing tests with a grain of salt. Rider fatigue and taking different lines from run to run can have a measurable impact on speed. Plus time of day, what you had to eat that day, and so on. Especially when the results vary by only a few seconds for each run.
And maybe ride these "fast rolling" tires on a non-e-bike on a climb trail. You really notice the drag then. This may not be the truth, but I felt like Michelin was hiding their tires from this.
the only way to keep a rider from seeing the tires is to blindfold them for the run......LOL.
@@Nick.Keane77 Do it!
Michelin and side walls, they were ones who came up with tubeless tires, for cars. i would expect a company that makes truck tires would bring over the strong side walls to bikes
I don't understand why everyone is giving him so much fire. He clearly stated from the beginning that this was first impressions and how he was flown out there by Michelin to review these tires. Everyone is complaining way too much that this was biased even though he clearly showed that it was sponsored. Nothing wrong with a guy reviewing some tires that he might enjoy. Finally, every video is not this clearly sponsored. It is totally cool to have one video set aside for a major sponsor. So far, most of his other videos have been incredibly helpful, entertaining, and super beneficial to the whole MTB community. Sorry everyone's giving you the fire, keep up the good work ❤
Cheers! I get where they’re coming from, but ya, I definitely try my hardest to be as up-front as possible and I’m not sure how they miss those disclaimers. What makes everything tricky is that I legitimately love the tires, but because I’m supported by the tire manufacturer, I feel like I can’t relay that fact without getting heat 😂
Still love the Maxxis DHR2 and Assegai combo, which I run on one of my bikes. But for my Enduro sled I have moved on to Continental Kryptotals in the DH casing and super soft compound . Very, very impressive tires and my go to moving forwards here in the PNW. However, I'd be interested in trying out these new Michelin's. I tried them once before ( but was not confident with the feel or the wet grip and they felt like they rolled slow, so I did not run them very long and tossed them to the side, but willing to give M another chance.
I was set to try the Krypto's for my 170/180 AM bike, but the weight penalty compared to Maxxis EXO+ was too much. It's quite a significant difference, and weight on the wheels is where you don't want it when you're climbing. I ended up replacing the dhr2 in the rear for a Dissector EXO+ for summer riding and it has been amazing.
@@rrolleman4879 My problem with the Exo and Exo+, specifically on the rear is that the sidewalls are pretty weak in comparison and I have to run a lot more pressure to keep them from folding over hard cornering or dinging the rims on impacts. Even with Maxxis, I run DD so the weight savings is not really there compared to Conti. With the heavier tires, I am generally only a few minutes slower climbing over an hour climb, so the weight does not make a big difference to me as I climb only to ride down and am not racing on climbs. Plus the Assegai Exo+ in Maxgrip is almost 1250g, so nearly the same weight.
Continentals have won me over nkw. Was a vittoria fan but I can corner so much faster on the contis
All my MTBs are 27.5 so I'm looking forward to trying these!
I’m a maxxis guy, exo+ front and DD rear. I call WNC home. I don’t run inserts, either. I think all tires should be intended to run without inserts so I love your take on that. Nice review! Thanks for coming to NC
Meh, depends on your mission. Heavy dude on a heavy bike, and I like to nail everything like it stole something from me. Helps to have a bombproof tire/wheel, Cush's help me with that. If I was on a light weight xc though my opinion would flop right back over to what you said though.
I hear what you’re saying. We were descending the trace DH and I always lead because I ride like you described. I got to the bottom and one of my guys took a while to get there. Turns out he had a flat…he uses Cush core. I think it depends on what you’re comfortable with and the combination you can ride predictably. The other thing is that Cush core can help prevent pinch flats but doesn’t help side wall gashes. I’d never try to change anyone’s mind, over half my crew uses them and swears by them, I just haven’t had a need for them
I don't think a single tire or rim producer will suggest running inserts. I'm convinced its one of those things we'll look back on in 10 years and think 'how on earth did everyone get duped into putting $150 foam rings in their tires'
Dude! Rock Creek is my backyard. In fact it was at Rock Creek I shattered my foot last August. Lame for sure, but I will be back this season. Glad you had fun.
Such an incredible place.
Oof, hope the recovery went well!
I've ridden the previous Wild Enduro for a couple of seasons and I like them. I'm not going to pretend I can feel every little nuance between them and the Hans Dampf/Magic Mary I run in winter but the Michelins have always kept me upright, not had any punctures and they're wearing well. Sidewalls leak air for a bit when they're first installed. I feel like maybe there's a bit of a gap between the centre knobs and shoulder knobs compared to the MM but that's it. I'd just love dry trails to be honest 😂
I’ve ridden many types & brands of tires, Michelin is always a top preference.
Each application will vary.
I LOVED the racing line tires right off the bat. I was able to climb up stuff I never had before in Sedona thanks purely to the amount of grip they were providing. Seriously good. Yes, they were heavy, and not the fastest rollers. But my main concern became them drying out and cracking. The rubber hardened up and then I was noticing tons of hair line cracks everywhere on the sidewalls in under 4 months. I hope they've addressed that.
That was the impression that people here in Colorado had running them here, the dry climate just killed them very quickly
I just checked and haven't seen these tires available for sale yet. Guess I'll end up with another set of Maxxis Minion DHF/DHR.
I first used Michelins on my bike in 2001. The green ones. They was amazing even then. Michelin has had top level tires for a very very long time
27.5 yeeesss!!! Im 5'2" any anyway and really really loves riding on the mountains 😂
Whatever sidewall these have, we need a version of the dh22 with it. The wire beed is great for the back, but it's a lot of weight for the front.
Welcome to the Loam Ranger channel, where we lost sight to why we all ride, the love of just hitting the trail, now if can’t mention your sponsor it’s 10 minutes of apologies to Ibis because there bike isn’t in the video. Now what was I even watching here?
He has bills, he has to maintain this channel. How do you think he is supposed to fund this channel without sponsors? TH-cam ad rev definitely doesn't pay enough to make this his full time gig. Go make your own videos if you have an issue with how creators maintain their channels
@@itsgoretecks I don’t care, just an opinion…he has 400k subs, I’m sure he’s doing just fine. I just unsubscribed and no longer value his commercialized content.
@@itsgoretecks There is nothing wrong with being sponsored. However, it is a huge problem if you're being sponsored and deliberately hide it over 12 minutes into the video. EU has sponsorship laws requiring videos state their sponsors in the titles of their videos specifically for these reasons.
@@theshonen8899 the thumbnail says paid sponsorship, and so did the video when it first starts
@@itsgoretecks You must be in the EU. I'm in America, it doesn't say anything.
7:54 this tire reminds me of the Continental cross King
Sorry if some one else asked but when I looked up the weights online they dont seem lighter than Maxxis unless compared to Max Grip compound... any confirmation on wieght? I'm old school (or maybe just old) and still kind of care about weight. Thanks!
Awesome! Thank you for this one. Hey! Does Michellin have a tire for cross country?? I'm doing the Whiskey Off-Road in Prescott, AZ at the end of April and would love to get new rubber on my bike. Thanks, again.
Loved the discontinued Michelin Wild Rock R 2 ! I miss that tire for dry hardpack here on the west coast …
Last Michelin tires I rode were those green wildgrippers from the early 1990’s
Yes. Lol. Yes. Those light green Michelin tires from the 90s. Back then I ran Those and continental.
The Michelin Hot S in red was an absolute legend in the tyre world too - pretty much every trials rider in the world seems to have rune them at one point and they were the best all rounder tyre option (I used them for XC, DH, Gravel, Trail, Street, Trials and the odd road sportif) of their era - the only problem was some XC frames weren't wide enough to give decent mud clearance around a 2.1" tyre if you ran a wide rim (Like the Mavic D521 at 21 mm internal). Then Maxxis showed up and made grippier, more durable tyres and sold them cheaper and Michelin have been playing catch-up ever since.
The big MTB tyre manufacturers have all lost the run of themselves on pricing at this point though, so I tend to run whatever's on sale, with Vittoria winning in terms of price to performance, and Schwalbe being the worst tyres I've ever used, and that includes the Tioga Psycho II I got in the '90s that walked out from under me every time I tried to corner and was nearly bald in 150 miles. I have never in my life found tyres that punctured so easily as the Schwalbe XC tyres that came on the bike I bought last year - swapped to a Maxxis F, Vittoria R and went from about a puncture per spin to not even remembering when my last puncture was.
funny mention - I didn't get them purely because I couldn't handle the red colored rubber!!!! the green wildgripper 2.1's were the last michelin tires I ever rode. My 2019 bike came with schwalbe nobby nic's, and I didn't mind em one bit, no flats or issues, til they wore out and replaced them with an Aggesai 2.5 up front, and dhr2 - as there is hardly a better combo for grip IMO. It's so reliable, that it's hard to give that up on something new, as I'm a very lazy tire changer....@@peglor
good news. I have older version of WE raceline with cushcore and its are pretty heavy
Dude in the opening I was like, "That looks like Kanuga & Ride Rock Creek". And wouldn't ya know, It was! So sick you got to enjoy some of our southern trails! About an hour or so from my house haha.
Lucky! Great riding out there.
@@TheLoamRanger High remarks coming from where you live. Ill be out touring Western BC in May! So Stoked!
I'm more curious on tire life/wear.
If theyre anything like maxxis(wear To fast ) or schwalb (chunks away) I don't want them
I'm currently an IRC Tanken and or Panaracer swoop AT guy depending what mullet combo I'm running
Been tempted to try these and the vees new attack tire
So sick that you go to check out Ride Kanuga and Rock creek. I live in Greenville and those are my go to riding locations. Would love to see more riding footage and your thoughts on the parks.
i used to ride Michelin wild enduros and loved them, but unfortunately during covid times I couldn't find them anywhere and switched brands. Its good to see that they're still developing new stuff!
Bikeinn has them all the time.
I run since 2 years michelin, at first wild enduro front and rear,
Really good tire, best tire for wet conditions (enduro)
Then i bought the dh22 , really good tire in all conditions, but better in wet.
One Problem on Michelins is, when you have a loose , stony underground you have not do much grip than another tires.
All Tires magix x and race line.
I had Michelin on a mountain bike about 15 years ago. I was blown away by them lol
Wish you'd gotten out to DuPont Forest to check more natural trails - far more rock/roots than machine prep'd trails. Great video though. I'm going to be looking for these.
a lot of people don't realize how that side knobby makes such a difference on stuff like climbing a curb on a 45 a round tire will just keep sliding with the curb sending the rear out.
You also need anamorphic lens with all the lights at the edge of the frame.
Thanks for hanging out for a minute. Pleasure meeting you.
Any chance to review the new foldable bead DH22 anytime soon? Thanks.
(price looks horrendous tho)
2.8 Michelin softee’s on my old school 26 was so good I could ride on the ceiling and down the wall.
this review is not biased at all ...
It’s not a review, just truthful first impressions 👍
Dude, let's you know Michelin flew him out and he gave you his opinion.. take it for what it's worth. 🤷♂️
It's not a review it's a paid ad. This channel is dead.
Great vid, Ryan. Will definitely check these out the next time I need tires. Which hopefully isn't too soon as I just put a pair WTB Vigilantes on my bike (when they're $48/pop, you just go with it). Love our Michelin car tires (CrossClimate2s FTW), so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt in the MTB world.
The WTB Vigilante is a very underrated tire - soft grippy mega sipes big side knobs best value otm # 🕷️📐
ohhh man i've bottomed out in the same spot, they really need to put a drop sign there.
tire inserts are for confort, cush core.
New DH line is out 🎉 can't wait to get a pair. Prices are crazy high for now, like 20% above the competition. That still has to come down to normal.
prbl gonna try these but schwalbe still best for me
Now all we need is for them to be in stock 🤣
That's real bumpy trail
Really wish the new E-Wild rear wasn't 2.6. I've recently gone from a 2.4 DH34 to a 2.6 Pirelli Scorpion, and I can no longer fit a rear mudguard as the clearance is so tight.
Been wanting to try the new ebike tires but they are like 250$ a set 😢
Great video. But shhh... we wanna keep Greenville, SC a secret. :D
But do they turn rock hard and crack all over in below frreezing conditions? and after 2 seasons feel like they're rotting and stick to your fingers?
You get 2 seasons out of your tires??
I love the Michelin Wild enduro front tire already. Can only imagine how the new version is! Love these tires way better than the Maxxis Assegai. They were more gripper, rolled faster and lasted longer. Don’t hate till you try them…
I must to agree those tires looks awesome. Have a buddy sponsored by Michelin,I have seen this tires like more than a year ago. That new MS looks very good,way better knobs than old wild enduros,I would said a mix DH22 with touches of Assegai. I would try it 100%, I have a DD Assegai in my Enduro and a DH22 on my DH,in some extreme rides I took the DH22 in my Enduro,slow rolling,not the most comfortable ride but the grip is fenomenal. Love to see that new pattern upgrade in the DH22 or some kind of evolution in the DH area. This Michelin WE MS,Maxxis Aseegai,Continental Krptotal and the Magyc Mary are very close IMO,all really good all rounders,any of those would work very well in almost any ride. It is very good to have so many choices,some riders would like to try them all and choose what it is maybe the best for them overall. Exciting times!
Have you ever tried Wolfpack Tires?
How do these tyres compare to the Schwalbe MAGIC MARY and HANS DAMPF tyres? I run these on my Scott eRide Genius 920 and find them to be the best tyres I have ever had.
I got wild enduros on my hardtail, I’d say they are on par with schwalbe magic Mary/big betty combo going downhill, climbing the wild enduro doesn’t appear to be as draggy
Agree! Switched to Michelins a couple years ago, not going back.
Tioga used to do a 26” tire that was very moto, Comp III? Can’t remember. It was about 2.6 and a really good all-rounder.
So...... when are these beasts available to mortals and how will we differentiate them from their predecessors?
I can't find the tires in the US. The Canadian link does not help mee a lot
I’ve got the last model Wild Enduro RLs. Man they’re so grippy!!! They’re not the fastest rollers for sure, but traction is awesome
If these new ones are better, I can’t wait 😄
What PSI were you running and what weight are you?
BTW, lighting is great but there's no point adding back lighting...?
The lights were just a gag :) 24 PSI front and 26 PSI rear. I'm a little over 200lbs. Hope that helps!
@@TheLoamRangerThanks! :) The backlighting still looked pretty cool so I take back some of my earlier comment :D
Every time I tried to get a set of Wild Enduro's to try out they were not available, perhaps these won't be so hard to get ahold of...
Are these all one way trails.
I've been using Michelin Wild Enduro Gum-X for... 3 years now ? I run enduro and dh.
Personally, I really like them in the wet, more than the Maxxis I ran (minion and high-roller) but dry grip is pretty similar.
Honestly, they're not groundbreaking or anything, but they're cheaper than Maxxis and longer wear for pretty much the same performance (as an advanced , non-pro rider).
They're often on sale in my area and I can get a set of Wild Enduro for the price on 1 Maxxis... So Michelin it is.
That's what I've found as well. My wild enduros go on for the winter wet riding season. In the summer tho, the assegai dhr2 combo go back on.
@@SpencerBaum Thats ideal, Im too broke to Pick and choose like that haha
@@warracer03 I've been running the same wild enduro front and maxxis assegai for the past two seasons now, so it's actually quite economical!
Same thing and they are pretty resistant too. I can go lower in pressure too. Maxxis are overrated IMO, I know a few pro riders who are sponsored by Maxxis and told me they are not that great compared too the competition...
had dh22 and wild enduro racing line the problem was harshness
I've always been interested in these tires and my usual DHR2 rear/Assegai front is getting "stale" on me. Great review, I might switch to these.
Ate some dirt on that drop where you bottomed out 😅
I rode a Michelin Wild AM last summer. It has been the best tire I have ever used. It didn't last forever but...
Review somewhere on my channel
I bought the "old" Michelin tires, I was so disappointed. I am quite curious, if they´ve done their job. Cheers
Maxxis is a standard for bikes. I’m not for standard. UPGRADE.
Please send me some Michelin rubbers 🙂
Nice to see more competition and getting people thinking of other options than the maxxis sandwiches.
Cul bins...will give them a try👍
Always was chasing michelin tires, but couldnt get a set, so ended up with conties. After this video i must have michelins for sure
I have the E-bike tyres on my bullet, they are awesome
Now that I’ve watched this sponsored video it makes me love my Maxxis tires EVEN more! Lmao
You have never tried the DH34. Way more grip way more support. Maxxis is lacking honestly… also there softest compound wears so fast and is like riding on gum… not confidence inspiring at all.
This "ad" definitely made me way less likely to buy these tires! I also unsubscribed!!!
I just wish they would make a subtle looking sidewall because that vibrant yellow/blue which is rather large as well, it just hit you in the face. That combo just doesn't go well together with most bikes and is something they should reconsider. Personally I would like all tires to simply be all black because it quickly becomes so much mish mash trying to pull attention when you also got rims with big logos and what not.
All black rims and all black tires would be so much better.
I knew this was going to be sponsored 😂 If Maxxis called him it would be a Maxxis Video.
A direct link to each tire your tried would be helpful. Your link just goes to the main Michelin page where I can find tires for my car. I've been on Maxxis for 10+ years and would like to give someone else a try.
Wild enduro MH vs E-Wild Rear?
Hmm tough call. With my limited experience, the MH seems to have more straight line brake traction, but the E-Wild Rear grips a little more in the corners. The E-Wild rear is 2.6 and the MH is 2.5, so that may be a factor for you as well.
Thx 😊
Great review!
“These aren’t my pants” 😂
Get them to make a tan wall version and im sold
I wanted Michelin and my LBS talked me into xynotals. Every single person I rode with last year on Michelins took them off mid season. Either washing out hard in the loose stuff or punctures. Conti or bust now 🤘
DH/Enduro tires with bad grip in the dry, special with berms like that, has to be a miracle. 😅. Go to the wet, come on…. 😄. But not Terras de Bouro, there you always have grip, doesn’t matter the tire. You know that already. 😁
Looking at your gloveless hands reminds me that I need to order a new pair of gloves after losing them at the ER.
The new rear looks like the old Panaracer design. So , hmm, lug design was perfected in the 90s. Best tire I have ever ridden for XC in the 90s was the Klien Death Grip. I would love to see that tread design on a new tire.
That bike sounded like it was coming apart
I switched over to Conti last season and haven't look back at Maxxis since that time. I'd give Michelin a shot, always loved them on my motorcycles!
Continental on MTB is quite different, for some reason they're a nightmare to install and an absolute trauma to dismount them. My dad struggled to remove them with a steel motorbike tyre lever off of his Lapierre and i saw plenty of people complaining about the same too, otherwise they're nothing remarkable
Well, I for one enjoyed the video and the content. If you say you are being a 100% truthful, I have no reason not to believe you unless you are proven wrong.
I believe that we should grab as much tech from motocross as we can and these companies that make tires for moto should be able to let that tech trickle
over into MTB for their and our benefit. I may try these tires when I refresh, and if don't like them, I won't hold you personally responsible. LOL!
Sick long form ad...the whole yt bike scene is literally one big ad space. Womp Womp
This is not much of an ad. Marketing does not work on me anyway. But I suspect these tyres might be good. A sive tried Michelin tyres. Keen to try these too.
@@mtbboy1993 it's literally an ad for the tyres lol. There was probably 10 different influencers releasing video on these within 24hrs of each other. Definitely an ad campaign.
Nope not until BF Goodrich starts making an M/T KM3's for cycles
Vee tires are way ahead of anyone else for many years 😂
I know there is a lot of maxxis loyalists, but I’m not one. I rode nothing but until 2 yrs ago. Continental, Goodyear and Vitoria all make tires equal too or better. I love ridden then all. All have great grip but it’s the side wall that’s important! I’m on conty’s right now. Fast rolling great grip!
i do all that with my Conti Cross Kings 2.2 right now 😅
Rock Creek is my happy place
I’m not sponsored by Michelin and I prefer them over Maxxis
I needed proper racing tyres for my first Ironman back in 2022. Bought Michelin Power Cup’s TLR in 28 mm. Best tyres I ever rode. Fast, grippy, zero punctures even on light gravel. Sealed with a floor-pump, absolutely hassle free installation. Beauty. When I ride my Schwalbes dead I am getting Michelin gravelers…
Maybe it's just where I live (Colorado), but I've never seen anyone running Michelin tires out in the wild. Never seen any in bike shops either - I primarily see Maxxis but I'm increasingly seeing more Continentals, which is also what I run.
Yeah because Michelin is French and probably not sold in the US because you guys banned our products since we didn't go to your stupid war in Iraq
Common man!!! I just bought double Ass!!! 😅. Im really curious about those ebike tires. Where I ride is steep and loose.
Michelin have been trying to play catch up with Conti for a while now as the Michelin sponsored riders/racers have been complaining about the big advantage the contra riders have had during the downhill world cups. True story
Please tell me you met Randy Richardson on your trip.
Dude! He's the best! I kinda worked for him years ago and man I LOVE that guy!
@@shaneridesmtb fastest man in Piedmont. 😂