Are Trail Bikes Better Than Enduro Bikes?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2024
- Mountain Bikes these days are incredibly versatile tools, but are different bikes better than others? Neil & Blake are out in the Forest of Dean Cycle Centre to put an Enduro bike against a Trail bike to see which one is the true jack of all trades and can be crowned their ultimate MTB!
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I've got a trail bike with 140mm/120mm travel. It's definitely less forgiving on big mountain descents, but it is way more fun in the valleys and foothills, where I do most of my riding. I think it's also easier to learn new tricks on a "smaller" bike. If you can only have one full-suspension bike, I would vote for the trail bike.
A DH rig for the park and a Trail bike for pedalling. Perfect combo!
Enduro for both👍 dh Bikes are for straight ye useless for me azleast
That could be the perfect bike combo as you get the best of both worlds! 👍
I believe it comes down to the terrain you live in. I live in big mt country and an enduro bike clicks all the boxes especially the confidence box. I’m 63 and like to show up a little over gunned than under gunned. Getting hurt hurts a lot longer these days. I like to push it and I’m not as willing to go for it with less trail and rake.
Where you live is really the deciding factor. If you live somewhere with elevation it's usually a safe bet to invest in an enduro bike.
It also comes down to fit and geometry. I recently compared a trail bike to an enduro. I ended up getting the enduro because I felt like I was down inside the bike and a part of it versus the trail bike where I felt more on top of the bike. I didn’t like that perched up feeling, like I was tippy and out of balance. The enduro is longer and slacker, I can find the balance point easier, I’ve got more room to maneuver and more bike in front of me allows me to be more confident and aggressive. I’m over biked for 90% of rides I do but that 10% of unexpected gnarly chunky rocky rooted out nastiness doesn’t spoil my ride. The enduro is ready to eat it up.
Editor either needs a raise or he just got one! Super sick cuts and jams. Great work.
The difference between both bike classes are so small, you have to descent really aggressively to notice that difference at all. And i would even dare to claim that most people would not be able tell apart what is what, if one is given to them for a test run without any information.
Most people don't even ride jump trails or any trails aggressively.
Id say most could tell on the 1st climb.
Well when you face a gnarly section steep with possibly rocks, the Enduro bike will be more permitting (or forgiving). It helps you trust the bike even more!
my local trails i rode agressive one both of them and the enduro feels so much smoother and more capable over rooty and rocky sections
I completely disagree. If by most people you mean non-riders, sure. But I rode a Slash for a couple weeks and it was like a monster truck compared to my Fuel EX. Everything feels different. I didn't jive with it.
Got an Orbea Occam H20 with Carbon frame - light as hell, sturdy as anything. Been through all seasons, plenty of snow, lots of crashes... Holding up amazingly. Trail bikes are simply perfect for my use - everything from long rides to screwing around in the woods.
With modern geometry (especially steeper seat tube angles), the 160mm front and 145-150mm rear combo is the perfect mix. Heavy trail or light enduro (those suspension travels were full enduro not that long ago), this sort of bike is all I need. Less travel would make the trails I ride (lots of roots, rocks, small to medium drops) too harsh. Anything more would be unnecessary 95% of the time. I rarely bottom out. Unless you are an enduro racer or are bell bent on smashing down gnarly steep trails as fast as you possibly can go, then a modern full enduro bike will be over cooked for most riders.
Agreed, Andrew! I've got 150mm rear and 160mm up front in a 14.5kg package and it's perfect. I can usually keep up on ascents with the xc bikes and can still ride hard on descents. I rarely feel underbiked for 95% of my riding.
@@chadandriowski9437 what bike do you have?
@@orla222 I have a 2020 Cube Stereo 150. It really is the goldilocks bike. Enough travel for bike parks, but not too much for trail riding.
Awesome video, thanks Blake and Niel! (hopefully Niel is not in too much pain)
I have an 27.5" Enduro Bike with 170 mill travel and lovin it. 💚😎
Nukeproof Mega?
Glad you enjoyed! Neil is doing great since the crash (just some gnarly bruises)! 😬
@@andrewince8824 Radon JAB 10.0 HD
Blake's "trail" bike has Lyrik, super deluxe ultimate with pyggyback and Vitoria Mazza tires. Those are all enduro specs...Basically short travel enduro bike
lol no
True, but that's why they call those "aggressive trail" bikes. My girlfriend has the Norco Optic which is specced just like Blake's Nukeproof. It couldn't handle full on Enduro riding, but can still tackle most technical descents
Got a all mountain trail bike with 150-140 mill travel. Best bike I've owned. Jack off all trades really. Love my bike and I've done cross country, single track and park with this bike.
I went from a 150/160 enduro bike to a 120/130 trail bike, and the shorter travel trail bike is much more fun, its more nimble, more lively, more playful, the extra suspension on the enduro bike soaked up all the little trail features and made a lot of tracks a bit boring, and on top of that the trail bike can still handle all the tracks the enduro bike could.
What region do you ride? What type of trails do you ride? If mostly CX type terrain, no overly steep dh sections, that could be the case.
@@SugmaDLigmaNutz I'm in NZ, I've ridden at the christchurch bike park and the queenstown bike park, I've ridden it down heaps of steep double blacks and it handles it no problem, its a norco fluid fs1, its still relatively slack with a 66.5 degree head angle, I think the geometry matters more then how much suspension travel you have.
I actually JUST purchased my first enduro bike last month and finished tuning it up this week. When I first became serious about mountain biking, I got a 2018 Santa Cruz Hightower. It’s fantastic, but I still felt like it was lacking in some of the trails I wanted to hit. I just purchased a 2018 YT Capra. Just in the few rides I’ve taken it on so far, my confidence in downhill has skyrocketed. However, I’m very happy I changed my mind about selling/trading the Hightower because there are some trails and even some weather here in Ohio that I could never see myself taking the Capra on, but the Hightower would easily dominate .
Nice. I have a 2019 capra. I wanted something more for going down than going up. Its an ok pedaler but a shock with a lockout would hwlp.
I’m happy with my trail bike at the moment but I do go some locations where I would prefer an enduro bike for sure! I still get down the hill but with a touch less comfort.
super nice style of cutting the clips and the music.... keep it up!
Glad you liked it! It was cool to try a new edit style! 👊
I've owned a 120mm, 140mm, 150mm and a 165mm bike and I think the 140/150mm was the best "all rounder". Still enough travel to do anything and go anywhere (except for the absolute most gnarly downhill trails). 165mm+can obviously go anywhere but you will be on a heavy and "slushy" bike that is hard to pop/bunny hop etc. 120mm is super poppy but feels too harsh and not capable enough for rowdy trails. So yeah, for me the 140/150mm travel range is the best if you can only have one bike. I just ordered a new Stumpjumper 15 Expert (145mm rear travel). Can't wait to try it out in a couple of days.
Hows the 15?
@@MikP86 Awesome bro. Really nice bike. Handles well, suspension is so smooth with that new Grip X2 damper on the front and the Genie really does feel super plush but without dampening the pop too much. I'm still running the stock spacers but will try out more spacers in the future to see how it feels. Really happy with it so far.
@The.JZA. Glod for you, man. I got a stumpjumper evo comp alloy. Enjoy. Looking to getting the 15 in alloy hopefully.
@@MikP86 Nice one bro. Hopefully not too long to wait!
@@The.JZA. God bless.
I have a 180 - 170, it is great for me, I'm not the fastest, it is a do all bike with a lot of smiles, pushing me to improve when going up and letting all the joy going down
2021 2nd place DH national champions winter park Colorado on my Ripley. Mind you it was in my age bracket 60-64 and there were 10 racers I did not pre run the course. Trail bikes can play 🎉
I came from a Hard tail not long ago because someone car crashed my Enduro bike, and I almost go for a full mid range Trail Bike (Norco Sight A2), but importer delayed me so much, than last year I ended up going for a 2022 Enduro frameset (Transition Spire), and transplanted all from my old 2015 Enduro Bike to her, what a hell of bike ,it's a Frankenstein, but it's so forgiving, only fall once in a rockgarden, low speed trying a New line and the front wheel locks over a bump hole bigger than the wheels
Then someone a Month ago buyed that same Norco (almost a year after BTW), I made the right call, The Trans looks more robust, weight the same, wider tires, and the Fox DPX2 Factory goes on another lever of ridiculousness from a Sunday ride
For me I've been smashing my 40K times on my Enduro, that were set originally on my XC bike (yeah I know its not Trail and was 120mm front & rear) and n0w find I'm riding more sections that I would have walked previously. These are trails suitable to XC.
It did play on my mind many times when waiting for the Enduro bike to be delivered, that it would be a tank, but it has proven to be so much more than I expected.
Same. I XC my Enduro all the time. No need for a trail bike at all anymore.
Depending on the brand a lot of modern “trail bikes” are just Enduro Bikes from 5- 7 years ago. That said most people today are over-biked…..as I learned when I built up a hardtail to stand in while I overhauled my Full-suspension. Very little of my daily/weekly/monthly riding needs a long travel trail bike/enduro and riding one made my riding almost boring
Currently own a Merida big trail 400. Love it. Yet to test it out for winter riding 🤣. Love your videos. Keep it up 🤘
I love the enduro that I have, 180 front and 160 back, it feels limitless, but on climb not so much fun, but still love it. Trail bike is wonderfull and all you need for a country without to much elevation, where trails are mostly flat or short descend, but the confidence an Enduro bike gives you is way more rewarding.
That sounds like a beast! Your bike must feel amazing going downhill! We totally agree that enduro bikes are so confidence inspiring! 👊
@@gmbnhey then you see a guy on a 10 year old hardtail ride the same trail you thought was tough… it’s the rider not the bike bro.. it’s all in your head. An extra inch of travel isn’t much at all.
Love the new style of editing with the Rap.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed! 👊
Ive just ordered my first enduro bike :) all in parts Im so excited (propain tyee 29 cf)
Nice!! You'll love it! Safe riding! 👊
@@gmbn Im very excited, gonna tag you on IG in some pictures when its done :) a speedy recovery to Neil!
I don't have a lot of big downhill sections in my neck of the woods. And the ones that I do have are immediately followed by some serious steep climbing. I recently picked up my first trail bike and it has easily handled everything I've thrown at it. The only way I'm going to pick up and enduro is if it's also an ebike.
I have both a130/120 Marin Rift Zone trail bike and a 160/150 Marin Alpine Trail carbon 2 enduro bike. For me the enduro bike is more comfortable on everything but rides with lots of technical climbs. The trail bike is definitely fun on flowy decents,but if I could only pick one it would be the enduro.
I personally have really flat local trails but I like to travel to bike parks so I have a 120mm hardtail and a 160mm Enduro. Between the two all of my personal riding scenarios are covered
I'm not sure I'd consider 160mm a trail bike in the UK. I've got a 140mm trail bike and it's great for, um, trails with small jumps, rollers table etc. Lures you into thinking you can hit anything but it does get overwhelmed and feels like a little bike on big features. Pedals great. Now I'm buying an enduro bike because I want to go racing. And while I could on the 140 I'd feel much safer with a stiffer chassis/fork combo and 20-40mm more travel and won't mind the climbing being a bit soggy.
Hightower 145/150.. loving the setup.. rock shock lyric ultimate Fork running rock shock, ultimate, super deluxe
I use my enduro bike on everything that is not asphalt , except winter then I I ride it everywhere with studded tires.
The winter were I live lasts half year with snow and ice.
The bonus is when I ride my road bike in the spring it feels like a rocket.
I haven't regretted once that I bought the Enduro bike, 14,5 kg is not that much weight for a massive super comfortable 29'er that I can even ride downhill with.
I picked up the new Scott Genius 920 this summer. Oh dear Lord. This bike was marketed for doing it all and it really does. 170 up from 150 in the back, and full lock out mode for the climbs. I've mashed on all the single-track in our area, thrashed all the curbs and stairs on campus and even smashed some jumps bigger than I've ever been brave enough to hit before. Now if only someone would showcase it on The Bike Vault 🧐
Enduro for sure, if you are fit enogh to pedal uphill. My rig is a Giant Reign, I love it!
I live in Louisiana so I went for a trail bike. No big downhills where I'm at. I went w/ a 5010 and it's killer.
Cool new camera shots.
Sick edit, both visuals and audio are on point, give this person a raise!
Hope you're ok Neil.
Trek remedy for the win, i love it. Xc, light/heavy trail and bike parks to.
Off to bpw tomorrow for a overdue session.
Bird am9 160/150mm rocks at everything including 30 mile epics
I have a 150/160 trail bike with a 67 degree head tube and have only felt under biked 1 time. This was at a lift-access downhill park that was gnarly in some sections. People on enduro bikes felt under biked too in those sections. In every other situation I have been in my bike felt 100%. I cant bomb a hill that isnt at a lift access park faster than the bike can handle. I am over-biked 99.9% of the time. Trail bike it is for me.
It’s Almost magic since a rode a trail bike I’m actually planning get an enduro but after watch this video I feel more comfortable with my trail bike
I'd love to see a competition of Enduro with "faster/lighter" tires vs xc/trail with "stickier/heavier" tires, would be interesting to see how they fare against each other.
totes
smart of them to mention xc rides. Since the trail bike is a lot like a xc bike with more "comfort" and perhaps for less fit riders a good option on xc rides that go over rougher terrain or for long time and could use a little more capability from the suspension.
Back in 2009-2012 both of these bikes wouldn't be in different categories, they'd just be classed as "all mountain" which tbh is still valid
Such a good video!! Would go Enduro all the way though
A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.
love the pinkish POC Axion
Had a norco sight 160, 150 whilst I loved it super capable recently purchased a specialized enduro. It’s in another league!! Gives bags of confidence and climbs half well too. Enduro bombers all day 🤙🏻
I recently got an Enduro bike from Marin (160/150, 29er), which was an upgrade from my 10 year old Trek fuel ex 26" that was falling apart. I don't think I'm overbiked since the majority of my rides are technical black diamond trails, which the new bike is more suited toward. The Fuel was easier to climb with, than the enduro bike i'll admit. I'm not the fastest up or down, but I love having the extra squish for gnarly DH runs. I'm most looking foward to summer park season, with the new enduro vs the 26er i took to the park last summer.
Got my first trail bike and love it! I'm a pretty casual rider so love that's it's just a reliable all around bike. I had some nasty shifts and a crash today, so seeing both those things happen here made me feel better 😂🤙
It may be a regional thing, depends where you ride. I've found for the eastern Canadian rockies, I'm loving the enduro bike I just got. Climbs just as well as my trail bike did, but is way quicker and more planted downhill. Lots of vertical, lots of rock, enduro was an upgrade for me.
eastern Canadian rockies?
@@wyatberp3611 sorry, more precise. The eastern edge of the Canadian rockies. 😀
It's OK to sacrifice a little agility for rough, downhill confidence, which equals safety first.
My enduro is the YT Capra 27.5 which is a fully capable all rounder.
Awesome edit
Thanks, James! The team did a great job on this video!
Sorry, I just woke up from my coma, shenandoah 100 was in Sept and I'm finally beginning to walk after a broken leg. Chaos can hit the fan after so many hours on the trail. Night time is sketchy, so proceeded with caution. When I start walking better I'll be training for next year.
Enjoy all you do! Just know, there is a difference between enthusiast and hard core. You are the source of your own limitations. Follow my advice and keep it resonable.
Enduro bike, Neil nailed it at the beginning, Jack of all trades, master of the most important one ;-)
Yeah, enduro bikes have got to be the ultimate do-it-all MTB!
New video editor 👌🏼🙌🏼
Glad you enjoyed the different style! 😉
I just love that you showed a good rider eating it. Keeps us all real. Cheers.
Nailed it again guys,great info.
Thanks so much, Ariel! Glad you enjoyed! 👊
In doubt, take a Bronson! Best bike I've ever own. MX, 160mm front 150mm rear.
In fairness, Danny Mac started his MTB career on a carbon Bronson and the first MTB edit he put out was insane. Super capable bike.
Have a Bixs Lane enduro rig with 160/150 mm travel. This thing with the Sram x12 transmission is a monster. Love to climb with it, even more fun the descendings. For pure fun i think enduro is the way. But depends on what we like.
Best suggestion for the bulls estream evo 45 am are 2.4 maxxis high roller II.
Save the 2.8's for the beach surf.
Absolute G's!! Pleasure to watch you hitting them trailzZzz
i like the new editing style
Thanks, Felix! 👍
Neil you made my pain (for my yesterday OTB) look much more bearable after watching yours.
"mal comune mezzo gaudio"
(common soreness, half a pain)
Be better soon
Those riding vlog shots were pretty cool.
Fun video again👍👍
My bike has 160 up front and 150 at the back,does this make it a trailuro bike?
All down trail mounduro bike...
Those names getting worse and worse... 😆
I must be honest if you only have money for one bike I would definitely go for the Trail bike. I race quite a lot and my trail bike is comfortable in an XCO, XC marathon and Enduro (which are the races most common where I live). It is definitely slower than my old XC bike for non-technical XC Marathon but for single track and tech stuff my trail bike wins hands down.
I like new idea of making bikes like „small enduro” like spectral 125 for example. And Because of It’s shorter travel then spectral I think It gives more fun, It’s roughter, You need to sweat a bit more on same course as on spectral.
I like the editing on this one!
I bought recently a trail bike (150mm travel) because I Don't jump and its absolutely capable to run Enduro tracks
I got a Canyon Neuron this year and I like it...plenty of room for upgrades..but good out of the box.
Not exactly enduro terrain though. I love and miss the UK, and expect to be moving back there. It’s just not challenging riding.
But none of that matters. The only important thing is to ride the bike you’ve got. A lot. Our ability matters a lot more than our bike
🤙
I believe you would see more difference changing the wheel size on these. I had a 29er bike (2.30 width tyres) that was somewhat sketchy in the turns etc but I went down to 27.5 plus size tyres (2.8) and it is unbelievable how it has changed the way I can ride it now, not skidding on any switchbacks, climbing over rocks etc just gives so much more confidence.
Yes it is a little lower to the ground but so far no issues with pedal strikes etc.
You guys want to do some mountaineering?
How about hiking trails open for bikes.
Good rough and challenging, lots of rocks,
Come out and do the Shenandoah 100, held every fall in October. Can take up to 24hrs depending on your condition.
If you don't mind hiking a bike combined with trials, alot of technical, very little flow if non at all, some flat gravel for breaks,
We are here at stokesville VA usa.
Nearby features are reddish knob by briery branch, down to West Augusta, towards Covington/douthat state park and beyond.
We welcome you to test your endurance.
Even if you choose not to race because mother nature and human frailty always wins, there are check points with assistance if you want to fall out/DNF. This us the ultimate test of trail vs enduro. The deciding factor is if you can hang for a finish. Would REALLY enjoy seeing you there. If not, the multiple loops can be dissected into sections, and are the ideal test and proving grounds for riders and bikes while enjoying picturesque vistas. A bikepackers delight for overnight/extended adventures. You just have to earn the memories, nothing is easily given. A bit remote, support is @ 30 - 50 mi either direction.
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The real question is how do you guys mount your camera like that. That looks very cool especially with a 360 camera
Love my trail bike 140mm/130mm. Not sure what my next bike might be, maybe an enduro.
I have the best of both a banshee phantom with a pike dual position, when climbing i have lower down to about 120mm, and once I'm doing downhill I have make it 150-160mm.
I’m on a 140/130mm GT sensor with enduro spec wheels. Kinda a heavy trail/light enduro setup. Love the handling and performance, but I’m finally exceeding the capabilities of the stock lower end suspension and am debating upgrading the suspension ($$$), or starting over with an enduro bike ($$$$). More travel or higher quality suspension win the day? My fork in the road.
I'd go "sell the bike and get an enduro" if I can afford it. 130mm rear can only do so much. If money is tight I'd just sit on the trail bike for a while until I can fork the cash for a new bike.
Go enduro bike its so good on on most trails
DVO
All I could think about is how much pain Neil was probably feeling from his crash…& he soldiered on - although I suspect they called it a day, had some tea and finished filming later…Trail bike for me as I am old and slow and enjoy climbing.
I'm a recent convert to the mtb world, riding a 2012 Cube LTD Pro hardtail with 100mm travel, and let me tell you, I had NO Idea of how many types of mountain bikes there are! I've been learning my local trails at Dalby Forest, bombing it down red and black trails, following people with massive wheels, massive tyres and massive full suspension bikes. I've never ridden a full suspension, but let me tell you, I WRECK every single of the hardcore mtber's on the way up the trails and I get all their respect for just about following them on the way down 😂 win-win I'd say! Well, win-loss tbh, I've had two pinch punctures in only 6 rides, oops.
You're both wrong. The king is a 26" slopeduro. 125 on the back, 150 on the front. Beefy 2.4 tyres (Conti Der Kaiser). SRAM Eagle to go, Magura to stop. 35mm reach on the stem and 800 on the bars. It genuinely does everything while looking sexy as hell.
I have an Enduro and use it for everything, having said that if I could afford a trail bike as well then I would get one for sure
130/120 is the way to go for everything
That was one heck of a stack Neil, good thing you're built strong. Those bruises and scrapes definitely looked harsh.
I definitely don't ride as hard as Neil and Blake but I think I might prefer bigger travel so the enduro looks better to me but I have been riding cross country bikes, a dirt jumper and BMX's so haven't had the experience on bigger travel bikes. I have been working on my Giant Anthem X29er sussing out my bottoming out issues, turned out it was more the rear set up and the wheel buzz was caused by the tread buzzing on the reflector under the seat. I found a number of things not connected properly on the front derailer too, that was causing the chain to constantly fly off on hard jumps, now I have it riding as good as new after fixing loose, disconnected items and indexing the gears. GMBN tech videos certainly help out, thanks Doddy!
giant are outdated.
@@pushpopaddict my one definitely is, it's from 2013! 😜👍
I love watching u guys ride all these amazing bikes!!! I wish I could show y'all what I can do even on my cheapo depot mongoose rig🤘😎
Enduro all the way fast downhill and still fun to jump and pedal around
The differences between these bikes are minimal but the feel will be different. It also comes down to how and what you ride. An enduro bike will be more capable, but on a less technical trail it might feel easy. I think this is where the phrase “over biked “ comes in. The right bike for the right trails. For me and what I ride a trail bike is perfect for 80% of it. The other 20% it will do but not be smooth.
Where's the Spaniard today 😀 ? Very captivating and interesting vid.
Camera angle is really cool
Trail vs Down country next?
I love your videos keep it up
Thanks for the support! We're stoked you're loving the vids! 👊
If you can only get one I'd pickup a longer travel trail bike like the specialized stumpjumper Evo
late to the party, but you guys when all in for this video... especially Neill, hopefully you've recovered since...
I got a Scott Genius with 150/150mm travel and it gets almost anything done!
Got a 150 and 145 in the rear!!
I did the fast gone this weekend and crash. My helmet saved my head and part of my left face. I said to myself, next time I’ll approach this downhill corner a bit slower.
Super Fun Comparison! More of it!! :-) I hope Neil will get better soon, but he is a tough guy! He will recover soon! And thanks for not cutting it out! It´s something we all can learn from! It´s the reality!! Thanks 100times!!!
FGWQ is literally my life's motto
i was waiting for a video like this lol
All your dreams have come true! 😂🙌
Wish I could own both but I presently own an aggressive trail bike , INTENSE PRIMER S 29er
Trail bike for me - not enough bid trails in the south east corner to warrant an enduro