What Beliefs Should NEVER Be Questioned?
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- In this meta-Spectrum Street Epistemology conversation in San Juan, Peter Boghossian asks six participants to consider the claim, “Some beliefs should never be questioned.” Religious beliefs hold a unique position among the participants’ responses. Topics include subjective vs. objective definitions of truth, how the longevity of a belief affects its strength, and how to assess the legitimacy of information. At the end, Peter answers a question about his view of religion.
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00:00 - Teaser
0:19 Claim: Should some beliefs never be questioned?
13:33 Would you want to know if your religion is false?
17:55 Peter's thoughts about the exercise
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I have issue with " Their Truth " that means you are not fact based.
I thought she was based until she chucked 'your truth' out.
Four seconds in. 😁
Same here 😂😂😂
Would "your truth" be better interpreted as "this how my interpretation of the facts made me feel" ??
Lol same 😂😂
@@kezp8114i think it's more the facts I like to be true for me
Truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged.
The best way to determine the truth is to determine what holds up against all scrutiny
The truth is everything that doesn't change if you stop believing in it.
Do you then formulate truth statements to be falsifiable?
Well exactly. But now he acts like he's found the truth and it's so obvious that he doesn't need to question it. Like how common is the "SJW mindset"? What direction is it going, is it getting worse? Have people used anti-woke narratives to their benefit? Etc, etc.
And that's why asking simple questions makes diversity and inclusion experts' heads explode
In your own words, define “TRUTH”. ☝️🤔☝️
I love those types of videos. Questions after questions after questions, all open ended, pure gold. The ancient greeks would be proud! 😋
I like to think the participants all went out for margaritas after this discussion.
There is truth, which can be proven from multiple scrutiny points, and perspective which is how you percieve the world based on your experience. We have words for this, you dont need "your truth".
It seems like a retreat to solipsism when their beliefs are challenged.
"my Truth" always a cringe statement
this is exactly what I always want to say to these people. "My truth" ist just how I perceive the world, this has nothing to do with science or proof or whatever. Love that comment!
I view truth as THE truth.
Facts are what we believe truth to be based upon observable evidence - science.
All truth is fact, but not all facts are truth.
E.G. earth was flat was widely accepted as truth, now it’s spherical.
“His/her/it’s truth” is very cringy. Full hearted agreement here.
Science doesn't believe in truth, unless it's only for a moment. Time used to go eternally backwards and eternally forward until the big Bang theory. There's no end of opinions, but no truth
Peter, I really appreciate this series. The idea of having one person try to persuade the other is great. No one walks away without thinking. Super
I've watched many of these videos and I think this group was by far the oldest on average. That said I felt like there was a marked difference in their general demeanor and thoughtfulness to the questions.
I also found it interesting that at the end they all thanked each other and had a togetherness over the exercise.
Maybe that's age, maybe that's the religious base of the group or a combination, I just found it unique to the other videos in this series I have watched.
It is very, very difficult to get older folks to participate in these. We do our best, but it’s often not enough to overcome whatever it is that deters older people from joining.
It's because they're Puerto Rican from the island. People like debating and hearing each other out there.
@@drpeterboghossian That's interesting. I never really noticed because a lot of these are on campuses or near colleges (or maybe just the ones I've seen) so I figured it was natural that the participants would be largely younger. Maybe this is because younger people are more okay with participating with a youtube show? I dunno. You could target venues that skew older? I'm not sure what those are.
@@catocall7323 the white people were from kansas city and i think the 1 black chick is american as well...
@@austiniscoolduh good point 😂
It was interesting when she said she’d question things to validate what she believes. Surely that motivation would close you off to true questioning. I’m a Christian and I question it all the time. I don’t think I’d have the faith I do if I didn’t explore my doubts and question my lack of doubt.
Do you think that your belives are based on reality or on what you think it's true?
Well-said. If my faith in God depended on keeping doubts at bay that I was afraid to confront, it wouldn't be authentic and it wouldn't last long.
"faith"
I mostly agree. I think perhaps 'validate' is the wrong word. I deeply questioned my own faith a few years ago, with the purpose of discovering what's true, not validating. It turned out that most of what I believed was validated, but if you do make that the aim, you're likely to obscure certain views and evidence.
"I’m a Christian and I question it all the time."
You and me Both.
There’s only the truth no such thing as “your truth.”
True. 😂
It's their opinion. They use the word truth instead of opinion to give their opinion more kudos.
You can call it "point of view".
Yeah but nobody knows "the truth". So its trickier than you make it out to be.
I'm Catholic. I wouldn't have abandoned my beliefs to become an agnostic and then an atheist if I hadn't questioned it. But I questioned my atheism and returned to my faith after doing more studies to correctly understand it. No belief should be out of bounds for questioning. A weak idea fears criticism. People often misconstrue constructive criticism as adversarial act, when it can actually help the person clarify and better understand their beliefs. And even if the beliefs fail to withstand criticism, one becomes courageous when one ditches it instead of following one's emotions.
Thank you Lerian
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As Socrates says, the examined life is worth living.
@@drpeterboghossian Exactly right. More power to you in what you're doing. I knew about you from Bishop Barron's commentary on your book “A Manual for Creating Atheists.”
Peter, you are a gift. There is no such thing as "your truth". There is only truth. Which we should all strive to discover through questioning.
There are Facts which are irrefutable. But "your truths" are your beliefs which are your interpretations from the "facts" or your own beliefs.
People can have different truths, truths the in way that individual expresses themselves aren't facts.
What people often term Facts are not Facts, they're observations or interpretations sometimes extrapolations. Historical facts are problematic, even scientific facts are problematic as they're bound by the environment they're observed in, hence they change.
In your own words, define “TRUTH”. ☝️🤔☝️
@@72PMChambers
Well, we all have our own particular BELIEFS, but ultimately, there exists objective truth, which is not subject to our misconceptions and misunderstandings.
One who has transcended mundane relative truth is said to be an ENLIGHTENED soul. 😇
@@72PMChambers"your truths are your beliefs." So why make up a new word for it? Why make it confusing?
It's a warfare of words to confuse, obfuscate, lead people away from truth and God, and to guide them down a path that leads to hell.
That's like changing the word "rape" to "unrelenting love." The only reasons to do that would be nefarious ones, it is NOT harmless.
@@72PMChambers I was born in 19..., in the city of...., to the family of....on the street of....with the ethnic background of....
These are all true for ME. But if we take a step further back, these are also true for everyone that encounters me. These things amongst many others, cannot change and will always remain true no matter where on earth I go, what year it is and even when I'm no longer on earth. Of course these scenarios are unique to me and they are true, but it requires a giant leap to say these are just "my truths". They remain the same whether I believe them or not. We need to be careful with how we use the word truth. It loses its meaning (dare I say true meaning!) when it's equated with the word belief. This opens a door for things to become watered down and chaotic. If it's a belief, then we need to say that it's a belief. It's also important to know that beyond our ability to make observations and interpretations (which I do agree can sometimes change), there is still a realm where absolute truth resides, but that's for another discussion! For now, perhaps we could use better suited phrases like: my opinion, my understanding, my journey, my perspective or my story, rather than my truth.
Any question, of any religion is just fine.
Peter you have a gift my friend. Don't ever stop. You are making a difference in the world. Thank you for all you do. I would love to meet you some day!
As someone who was born in Portland and has lived here my whole life, i have been shocked to watch how civilized this convo is.. feels like these ppl are from another planet 😂
This is the beauty of Street Epistemology. It allows people to question themselves, vastly reducing the chance of them becoming defensive and entrenched. I really believe our society could be changed for the better by using a lot of these Socratic techniques in schools.
He does this in many cities across the globe and most people can have civilized conversations. What's different about Portland is how uncivilized the inhabitants are.
That's because you were born and raised in an insane asylum.
That’s a pretty uncivilized statement you made there…so, logically, I must assume you are an inhabitant of Portland…
I feel like it’s worse than it used to be though. I lived in Portland in the 90’s and 00’s and it felt very open and civilized then. I had a lot of intellectual conversations with people there at that time.
“Yes we should question everything, except for my truth and everyone who shares my truth”
This is great. I am a Christian pastor, but I think it is crazy to not question what we believe. How do we know we don't have Blind Faith in something that isn't real? And I am very much against teaching children not to ask questions or deal with doubts.
Yes ! 1 Peter 3:15-17 🙌
Agreed.
It was cool to see the two people at opposite ends with a similar sets of views but opposing viewpoints on questioning beliefs
Peter's speech at the end.
GOLD SIR.
I’m delighted you found it helpful.
@@drpeterboghossian Suggest you make it a short. Its worth air time itself.
There is no such thing as your truth, his truth, my truth, her truth, their truth! There is only the truth, anything else is either a lie or an opinion...
You like the thermostat set to 72°. After rigorous testing, you found the best room temperature for sleep is 72°.
I like the thermostat at 69°. After rigorous testing I found the best temperature for sleep is 69°.
For someone who has to count on their fingers in the measurement systems they use and they can only handle base 10, they think we would be roasting at those temperatures.
Those are subjective truths.
There is only one objective truth, it's that the ability to question yourself proves your existence. Descartes said it way back when, _I think, therefore I am._ Everything else is subjective.
@@lemonstealinghorsdoeuvre This doesn't hold if reality exists independent of man's mind though. The truth is that you like the temperature at 69, and that other person likes the temperature at 72. Neither of those are subjective.
The base 10 thing is just an artifact of communication, since it relies on one person creating false information about reality through interpretation.
@@La0bouchere Wow my man. You are obviously just out looking for an argument. You are what is known as a divisive person. You are also what is known as a "blocked" person. Goodbye. 🤗
I really liked that everyone was willing to have an actual discussion, respectfully. I guess because the question itself wasn't a hot button issue. I really wish this kind of conversation were more common.
Peter: Would you ever consider some kind of dialogue with Matt Dillahunty, with a special emphasis on why he's critical of religion and yet not critical of gender theory?
Most overrated activist of the once skeptical community.
I think the honest answer was contained within some of the dialogue of this video. As Peter states in the closing segment, community is an important aspect of religious belief. It has a significant effect on a person's ability or willingness to challenge certain deeply-held beliefs of the group (at the risk of being ostracized), and the orthodoxy of Matt's community has declared that questioning gender theory is off-limits, in the same manner as questioning religion for many of the people here.
@@CampVogel where is "here"?
@@Gingerblaze The participants in the video who made special exceptions for their religious beliefs.
Seems like there's people who actually employ a skeptical mindset, and people who are skeptical only about certain things due to their environment and the people they encounter. Matt being in the latter.
I really wish people would stop saying "your truth" or "my truth". There's my experience, there's your opinion, and then there's the truth, even if we can never fully access it.
Truth fears no question.
The lack of critical thinking astounds me. You don't question to validate. That just leads everyone to believing what they already believe. You question to falsify. Other wise your just falling subject to confirmation bias.
Your street epistemology videos fill me with such hope. It’s so refreshing to hear strangers respectfully disagree. Or, as the gentleman in the left pointed out, realize they actually agree on something fundamental.
I think people often confuse questioning with disproving.
i dont know anything , and i don't know what i don't know but i do know that i dont know what it would take to make me know
This one was powerful Peter! My favorite one yet. Very thought provoking. Thank you!
Gotta love religion
"Nothing I learn will change my mind!"
Great attitude. Works well, nowhere.
Great conversation. I think I was born questioning things...I have been like that my entire life. You never know what you don't know. Thank you.
You’re welcome. I’m glad you enjoyed it and hope you take something meaningful from it.
@@drpeterboghossian I learn from listening to other people way of thinking…I either learn something new that opens me up to new thinking, or it strengthens my own belief on the subject. None of us see the world exactly the same, I love listening to opposition, I learn so much! Thank you for bringing this conversation.
White girl said that she wouldn’t believe anyone that told her that her religion is false, but how did she get to believe something that no one can prove? What if the same person that convinced you religion was real, then told you they found out it’s false?
New subscriber . love these videos and the intelligent way that Peter finds to approach each angle to each response without influencing the answer from anyone. Clever and engrossing stuff.
These are just getting better and better. It was interesting to see how most participants moved from the abstract into the concrete.
"My religion isn't going to change because of your questioning." A bold statement to the man who wrote a manual for creating atheists based on asking questions.
These are so great - love watching people sort themselves out.
Brilliant Peter!
Thank you so much
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Don’t ever stop doing these. I’m just loving them. Hope to encounter you out there someday. Come to Washington, D.C.!
Thank you. We plan to keep on going!
Excellent video. What a relief to see sane, intelligent, thoughtful people.
Dr. Boghossian, your "Okay, whatever" at 17:03 has me HOWLING. That's some weapons-grade Jiu Jitsu confidence right there. HA HA!
Kidding aside, these videos are incredible. Everything you're doing - from this content to the grievance studies expose and everything in between - has been solid GOLD. Really appreciate you. Keep up the good work, Sir.
Rodney McNeely
Your concluding comments were extremely accurate and sad at the same time. Our desire to believe the right things in order to feel we are "good" leads to delusional thinking about our own virtue. I've given up on the need to feel good about myself, and this is freeing. My faith provides a moral standard that I can't uphold, and it makes me continually confront my moral failures. Still, I get comfort knowing that God loves me regardless of my moral failures, and this gives me hope and freedom from the monster of feeling good about myself.
Isn’t it great when everyone talks about questioning things then eventually shake hands with each other with smiles on their faces?
Again, very interesting talk. I think it is always good to ask questions because that is how we reflect on things and learn.
This was the best one I've seen so far. You are truly using philosophy to change the world and I love it.
LOVE IT! THANK YOU PETER!
You’re welcome!
Best one yet! So much expansion of their minds!
Everything needs to be questioned… even if I am heavily invested in something, I would invite questions because either im shown an error in thinking and can correct, or my convictions toward the right thing will become stronger.
Hot dog water is tea. Question THAT!
Always a pleasure to watch. ‘How do I know what I know?’ is perhaps one of the most important and interesting questions we can ask ourselves especially in an age where technology gives a continuous feed of information, ideas and beliefs. Stay curious folks!
I really enjoy these. I always feel there is a balance that we as humans have between curiosity and certainty,. Certainty is only as solid as the available facts and should be scrutinized on a regular basis. Curiosity can help get us there.
Belief is not based on reason but more on emotion and intuition. All beliefs should be questioned but know that many answers will be outside reason and that should be acceptable which it is . Really enjoy these !!
My belief is based on reason, idk about you
@@gln3276 "My belief is based on reason" sounds like a slogan not reason. You just made my point :)
Keep up the great work Peter.
Loved this dr. Peter!
Hi Peter, I'm really impressed by how you managed their question at the end. You explained your view on how and for what reasons religious beliefs stick (none of which are related to their truth value) without ridiculing these reasons. Knowing you're an advocate for atheism, that's really impressive.
Thanks for your videos.
Excellent video!
Yes it should be available for Questions. Being forced is wrong, but being able to Question should be a self learning thing..
As much as I'm not religious and I disagreed with their willingness to question virtually anything but religion, this is the most cordial group I've seen in any of these videos, I'd love to get a beer with them.
Love your work Peter!
I think every belief should be questioned. Even as a Christian, I’ve pushed at my faith my entire life and it has only strengthened it. I don’t think it’s healthy to never consider other opinions or to never challenge your own beliefs.
This is hilarious to read.
Absolutely! 1 Peter 3:15-17 🙌
A follow up question would be: do you have the foundational mental abilities to be able to actually question a belief?
Most people who think they're questioning something actually just end up engaging in motivational reasoning instead, for instance. E.G:
1. Someone who questions their gender, and ends up becoming trans, may not have formed an opinion on reality.
2. A religious person who questions their faith, and ends up becoming more faithful, may not have formed an opinion on reality.
@@enekaitzteixeira7010coming from an atheist who has never questioned his beliefs? 👀😂
So you have "faith" that God doesn't exist? 😂😂😂
@@La0boucheredo you have the ability or mental capacity to question? After all, as you said, most people aren't capable of unbiased questioning. 🤔
People who are sincerely seeking truth will be asking the right questions. God will know if they're sincere or not and WILL 100% provide an answer to those who sincerely, humbly, and diligently seek Him. EVERY TIME.
If you don't know this, it's because you haven't sincerely sought Him.
It would be like you telling me there's no way to know what's in a room because it's too dark to see and NOBODY can know because YOU don't know. Well, those of us who really wanted to know simply did the logical thing and flipped the light switch on. Then we have the blind or willfully blind telling us we don't have eyesight because THEY haven't been sincere enough to seek out the truth with all their heart and ability. Seek God, flip the light switch on, start a relationship with Him and you'll finally see what we see and understand why we speak with such confidence. I can say confidently that my mother exists and there's nobody that will change my mind because I have a personal relationship with her. Same with God.
Just because you haven't met my mother or you believe she doesn't exist, doesn't make "your truth" ACTUAL truth. Same with God. He objectively exists without your belief, approval, or wanting Him to exist.
Very important to remember: If two people disagree, AT LEAST one of them is wrong. Possibly both.
Would be great if people involved in wars about beliefs (which is most of them) realized that.
One person believes that Schrödinger's cat is dead
@@buddhistsympathizer1136 Touche ;-)
@@buddhistsympathizer1136 OOOOOHHHH THEMS FIGHTING WORDS!!!! TO THE CRUSADES!!! FOR THE CAT!!!!
😂
@@abumohandes4487 That's very naive. Only correct if you're talking about absolutely dichotomical facts, such as simple algebraic problems; but if you go to philosophy you can have two contrary perspectives equally valid.
Also, wars are not generally fought because of beliefs, but economics.
@@enekaitzteixeira7010 You may be right. I can't come up with a scenario, though. I'd love to hear a concrete example.
The whole right/wrong thing is a dichotomy, so it's hard to come up with *opposing* statements that are both right.
That was brilliant!
In a time where our country is divided, this was wholesome to watch.
Wow, recorded in Puerto Rico, just a couple of blocks from where I study history... that's amazin'!
“Religion poisons everything”. -Hitchens
These videos and this concept is great.
Painful to watch, but glad I did. Outstanding.
This is fantastic.
Peter, you are loved.
Peter, I was born into a family that owned Bowling Centers, I was struck by your comment, "Bowling Communities. Many life long relationships were born in Bowling Centers.
As a former Catholic religious people vehemently stating their religion cannot be questioned or challenged just tells me that they intrinsically realize it is a beliefsystem one has to ascribe to, because it cannot be proven.
If something cannot be proven, why would you center your life around it?
Such an interesting and thoughtful group
Peter, you are a treasure!
You made my night.
I think there was a slight misunderstanding of the question.
Some people interpreted it (correctly) as
- Should every belief be allowed to be questioned?
And some others interpreted it as
- Should a person question everything?
The first would be absolutely correct, no belief should be beyond scrutiny. And basically most who argued against questioning everything choice the second interpretation as their reason.
The second however is more complicated.
Questioning something means we need to think more, which means we need more energy, and that is only usefull (on a personal and/or societal level) if the reward is big enough.
But also questioning something specific can lead one person to false conclusions (e.g. flat earthers question something others don't, but then they arrive at the wrong conclusion, which means they would have been better off realizing their limitations), which means the person is, under certain circumstances, better off trusting the authorities (and that authority doesn't have to be alive or a single person) one trust more than oneself in that certain context.
The latter should also be the reason people don't question their religion, as while nothing is beyond scrutiny, people may believe to be unable to decide complex topics like that and therefore they trust in whatever religious authority they chose.
Definitely a more interesting concept than change my mind
Truth is objective not subjective like psychologist desire for people to believe.
"What is the truth?" Pilate asked Jesus
And Jesus didn't reply. (Read the Bible, it is ... well... true haha)
Good luck finding the WHOLE and OBJECTIVE truth about anything and everything. When you become God, let us know :D :P
Faith is subjective.
@@user-lm6me2tz9t continue reading.. obviously you misunderstood or misinterpreted why He didn't answer.
But I digress.... Psalm:26:4-5 - Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes. The self-confident fool thinks too highly of himself and his opinions, and he shares them freely. How should a wise person deal with him?
@@PrinceAsmodeus
26:4-5 - Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes. The self-confident fool thinks too highly of himself and his opinions, and he shares them freely. How should a wise person deal with him?
@linda meers mumbo jumbo written in Greek from ancient myths that predate Christianity by thousands of years. You're really worshipping the sun. If you read more, you'd know that.
this is so wholesome. I love it
Thank you.
19:43 yesss, very eloquently stated.
Question everything. Beliefs shouldn't be exempt, especially considering beliefs can be based on anything, even harmful things.
Nice job Gen-X 👍🏽
Peter, I really enjoy watching your videos and listening to your podcasts. I hope you'll be able to talk to a genuine christian apologist and have a extended discussion challenging one another.
I second that. I hope your platform and voice grow exponentially. I see the work you are doing as teaching a generation how to have dialogue. Interesting how so many people who fall on the restricted speech side of these questions cite the fear of violence as the reason. Violence is more likely when people stop talking. Sean, look around, I have seen him give interviews where he is very forthright about his own beliefs and may have answered some of the questions you are interested in.
"and listening to your podcasts" Apologies Sean, didn't see that the first time I read it
the "your truth" "my truth" is such a post modernistic concept. There is the objective truth based on facts and then there is the my truth your truth based on feelings. Feelings are largely fleeting. So one day you have a truth and tomorrow you don't, or you have another truth. What is your guide then, what is your ideal, what are your principles? where is your spine?Absurdity.
Very wholesome end to the video. Nice to see.
Thank you kindly!
Your truth strikes me as being another way of saying my belief.
Yes, everything has to be questioned. Not necessarily to tear it down, which seems to be the understanding of a lot of the people on the lines. But questioning something also means that someone should answer the question, and when you answer for something that's been questioned, and your answer is a good one, you strengthen that thing. But more: you keep that thing active and alive in your head, it's something you actively know instead of just passively having in your head. It also makes you better at thinking and arguing about things.
And especially religion is something that needs this kind of treatment. Think about what you believe in and why you believe in it and what it does to you. Not to leave your religion, but to shape it into something actually valuable in your life, instead of some amorphous blob of believe.
iam getting addicted to these .. maybe more please lol
thanks alot
Wow. This is SE on steroids! Loved it and watching more videos up like this.
I was actually moved by the ending, everybody was so fulfilled and appreciated learning about deep meaningful topics.
Keep at it Peter, never stop!
Glad you're in my homeland. I would've crushed these questions though 😂
16:47 To answer Peters question: Yes, potentially. The longer something (like religion) has been around, the longer it has been subject to scrutiny (aka questioning), and if its still present then it’s probably holds strong to scrutiny.
It could be that the longer it’s been around the better it is at escaping the purchase of scrutiny. A false belief may be highly profitable.
Holds strong to scrutiny or credulity ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
19:30 what people want more than to be right or wrong
*Most beliefs must be questioned, but not all.*
If the questioning of a belief, is gonna cause too much harm to the person more than benefit him/her, in that case, I'd suggest to not question that belief.
“I’d rather have questions I can’t answer than answers I can’t question”
How nice that people arent being smug assholes to other when answering question and even disagreeing. I remember when people used to be able to have conversations like this and it didnt turn into some sort of hate crime lawsuit.
I wish someone had brought up the concept of axiomatic beliefs. There's potential for such a rich discussion there.
love these folk debates. Thanks Peter. interesting subject. especially today. I think of, for example, the debate climate in Sweden, I'm Swedish, so the idea of criticism and the constitutionally protected freedom of expression, also the right to disagree about something because others can take offense, are challenged. People are starting to talk about blasphemy legislation, which scares me. For a country to be an open liberal democracy, isn't freedom of speech and freedom of the press a basic prerequisite to allow people with different opinions, to move the conversation forward?
Belief and knowledge are not the same and both are open to question.
Every time someone says 'my truth' or 'our truth' it makes me sick to my stomach...
inevitably something narcistic and self absorbed is sure to follow
We all believe, We cannot NOT believe. But to be able to think rationally i.e. base our belief on the evidence is hard work. And to match the strength of our belief to the strength of the evidence, in my opinion, is very difficult. I can't do it. But that is the basis of science.
I truly admire Peter’s discipline while he does these. I wanna be like that when I grow up lol
I wanna be like Peter when I grow up too. (I’m older than he is, but it’s still something for me to strive toward!)
The two black ladies were a real mix, they understood the importance of questioning beliefs, but at the same time still adhere to this idea of my truth. If you have your own version of the truth, then why bother asking questions? You can just skip that part and make it all up as you go along. It's your truth after all.