I can pretty easily imagine why tolerance has fallen out of favor. Give an inch, lose a mile. Tolerance only works if it's reciprocal. Otherwise, it's just one group taking advantage of another.
When someone says "tolerance has fallen out of favour", if from those saying they espouse tolerance, in recent years this has often be exposed as nothing more than telling others to shut-up and stop speaking out against things they see as wrong/obnoxious in other cultures or social 'groups' (for example the wearing of a piece of clothing, baring flesh, flying rainbow flags, or the Union Jack etc). Now that we have had the so-called Equality Act for some years, there is a very real risk in doing any speaking out, as some identified 'groups' feel themselves beyond reproach and protected in whatever they say or do in law if they can say they felt 'distressed' or 'threatened'. They are not actually protected from criticism of course, as it is perfectly legal to criticise anyone publicly, but the Police are often called during some petty grievance to make that judgement and pull the accused but often innocent person off the street to "keep the peace", much to the satisfaction of the extremist group or person who took the offence, but who typically isn't censured by the Police from shouting insults and threatening the person they accused with violence if s/he does not desist from their supposed "free-speech". It's not all the Police's fault that they do this. It's the truly asinine law that allows this to happen, although there are some rather eager Police officers only too willing to arrest those saying some very innocent and normal things, such as reading a passage from the Bible. Not wanting to be accused of not acting, the Police err on the side of the complainant, not the accused. Anything for an easy life, we may suppose. "Guilty until proven innocent" is how it tends to work, but that's not how the Police see it, because the Public Order Act allows Police intervention to prevent a civil disturbance or risk of harm escalating to actual harm. That they later discharge a person without any charge having been made is of no interest to them. They just acted in the easiest way they could: Remove the apparent cause of the trouble - the speaker. Some may say that might be fair enough where genuine danger to life or limb exists; the problem is that the bar for actual harm has now been brought too low, and can mean almost anything, including "distress". God forbid that any protected group should feel upset from what someone says about them, whether in private, on a twitr post, or in a physical public square! We simply can't have that, or debate such things in a civilized manner or even be allowed to apologise after a discussion, it seems. No. We have to up the aggression and accuse the other side of an illegal act. It's not allowed that a grievance be given a reasonable chance of redress to save us all some pain and a lot of cost to policing unnecessary accusations of harm. The MP's who made these laws could have written a sensible law that prevented accusations of harm being brought on ''gross offence' grounds. They chose not to, and I believe they did so for reasons of complete denial of their solemn responsibility to enact only laws which are equitable, and which advance the peaceful co-existence of the various peoples of our United Kingdom. The question is, for how much longer is it to be united, given the pressure to conform, sit down, and say nowt about the nonsense going on all around us, in the name of Tolerance?
spot on about the need for reciprocity. Unfortunately we are at a point where the aggrieved feel they are owed everything and owe nothing in return, not even simple gratitude or respect, to anyone else.
@@mobsurfnut2616 I agree with you completely. It is ludicrous what the law in the UK has done to a person's ability to speak honestly on certain subjects. The whole "words are violence" idea needs to be put to rest.
Or just that they've changed the meaning of tolerance so much that we don't agree with it anymore. I still believe in tolerance as it was defined in the 90's and 00's
@@Ryan-is-me That's just it, tolerance previously was essentially like with free speech, in that I may disagree with you entirely but defend your right to have that opinion. These days tolerance means subservience.
@@junaydmalick807 good. Tolerance for all. You are not being asked to marry the racist or conduct business with them or attend barbecues with them? They are free to speak and you are free to respond or ignore. You falsely misunderstand that free speech means you are louder than them or deserve to be heard.
Conservatives are just that ... for the most part they try to conserve the status quo or be reactionary / pull back advancements made by others. They don't do big changes and they're most certainly not creative. We must find a way to get rid of the left-right thinking and give power back to the reason and temperateness of the the people in the middle, the doubters who do not deal in absolute truths but rather know both sides can have valid points. I'm neither a conservative nor a leftist. I agree with both sides on some issues. I used to be agreeing with more points from the left than the right until 5-10 years ago, now I agree with more from the right ... I'd never call myself a conservative though because there also many aspects that are absolutely putrid about today's conservatives (Trump, the growing love for strong leaders / dictators etc. ... there are just so many foul, morally corrupt people in higher up position (just like on the left - there for different reasons though)). Common sense and the ability to question and if need be change one's own opinions on the basis of ever-changing circumstances is a virtue people must rediscover if we're ever to get out of the mess our democracies and political landscapes have become in the West.
The truth can not be more creative than a lie. The truth can only be what it is, the lie can offer you everything. The Right and Conservatives have always offered people meaning and a way of life. But Christianity and Christian philosophy was rejected for the creative but bankrupt conceit of the Left. To the point that even uttering the words and making the suggestion invites ridicule. This despite the Right being able to spot ahead of time and call out in advance how and why this would all play out.
I think that the Solution (hard work) is so old and so simple that people just ignore it. Or it's drowned out by the screams of victimhood and entitlement.
Indeed, those who disbelieve spend their wealth to avert [people] from the way of Allah. So they will spend it; then it will be for them a [source of] regret; then they will be overcome. And those who have disbelieved - unto Hell they will be gathered.
There are some things in Britain past and present that I would change...but nothing defeats my love for and pride in my cradle country. Besides most of the unpleasantness was instigated by the Normans and the Saxe coburgs. so case dismissed! 🤣😂
I love that image of "equity." It inherintely assumes a supperiority/inferiority in one and the other. It doesn't help the little one grow to be bigger, it just always assumes the little one is always little.
The picture you are using is old news. People on the left don’t even like it because its like saying “being a minority is a disability”. If you are going to make a case against equity attack their current stance instead of this easy target.
@@rogueatlas The European left is economically more left (the traditional way) but the democrats are more left in cultural issues. I think a lot of people don't like the new cultural direction the left is taking.
I 100% agree. On "diversity bingo" I check off "woman" and "disabled", so some companies or HR people might feel obligated to hire me and I find that deeply insulting. I'm not hired over competition with men or other women because of my skills, education, intelligence, or experience - just because I have books and your workplace quota is low on that?! Oh yes, how "equal", how "loving". 😡
And due to the nonsense equity ideology pushed by institutions, minorities that received their position due to experience, capabilities, knowledge will need to deal with others thinking that they got the job because they ticked boxes relating to race, gender or disability. No thank you.
I see both sides. I haven't worked for about 20 years thanks to 'intersectional' disabilities, ie: I have lots... and my only hope of re- entering the workforce at near 50 is some sort of bridging or Custom Employment program. I know because I've tried everything else. My only skills are Lived Experience. So, I may take advantage of an Equity-type program at some point. It's a similar story for most of my cohort (autistics). The trouble with Meritocracy is that it isn't that great at measuring Merit. Companies are only just figuring this out and recruiting autistics like mad. Douglas is great but he's a bit simple sometimes. This isn't the first time I've proven him incorrect, slightly disingenuous and ill-informed. But it is my hobby.
@@GeraldSmallbear Lived experience can be a valuable skill to apply in certain fields, i.e. practical job experience or wisening up over overcoming hardship. This does not, however, supplant necessary skills as a GP/surgeon, pilot, language expert etc. Claiming meritocracy is poor at figuring out merit - giving no examples - and claiming that companies hire autistics like mad - i.e. you being unemployed for 20 years - I don't see you proving Murray wrong. Instead, you contradict yourself. Also, this comes across as rather self-congratulary.
The problem with equity is that it will always result in everyone being at the bottom because there's no other way to force the same outcome for all. You cannot force someone into success, only into failure so the only option is to cut down everyone who strives for the top down to the level of those who won't.
yep. this is obvious to any little kid who has ever received a participation trophy after giving it their all, just like the kid who didn't even bother to show up. Not only that but for government to be capable of equalizing all the differences between people it would have to have so much power and control over people's lives that no human freedom would be possible. Anybody that thinks about "equity" for more than two seconds can see that it's a retarded idea which has no possibility of working in the real world -- and you wouldn't want it to because it would be a nightmare. Which is what makes me think we are dealing with a bunch of spoiled, entitled children who have never seen the real world because they've spent their whole lives in the school system being pampered and coddled by bureaucrats whose job it is to maximize enrollment and student retention by catering to their every deranged whim. Notice that the whole argument is framed in terms of "how much stuff the government should give us." Should it give everybody the same, or scale up based on need? Ah yes, the politics of "gibs me dat." How much free shit whould we vote for ourselves to get? A little or a lot or as much as we want? Hmm-- decisions, decisions...
It's not equality of outcome, that is impossible. It's equality of opportunity e.g. anyone (born in the USA) can become president but not everyone does.
George Orwell, in The Road To Wigan Pier, described socialists as people who hated the rich, rather than loved the poor. As a former member of a socialist party, I've come to the conclusion that he was correct.
@@memisemyself I always thought it wasnt that they hate the rich, but that they are _jealous_ of the rich. Because Ive lost count of how many self proclaimed Socialists/Communists Ive seen become rich (using the very system that they claim to despise, mind you) and then continue to pretend like they arnt rich so they can keep "hating" the rich. It all just boils down to them wanting to be the ones with all the power and money. And they are more than willing to lie, cheat and steal (and worse) to get it.
Not much Equity in the construction industry, mining industry, steel works, sewage works, best person for the job and if its hard work reward them appropriately
Yes, it's fun to keep qualified women out and sexually harass the few that get to work in those fields. Look, you talk pretty but an awful lot of women have been treated like that, if they get hired in the first place.
Let's not pretend that the trades doesn't have their share of bullsh1t as well. Favoritism, ratting on workers to the bosses, gossip, poor/grumpy attitudes (diva attitudes) etc. Some of these so called "tough" blue collar guys act worse than b1tches on their periods.
@@jeanlamb5026 For every 10000 men qualified in one of those fields you could count the number of qualified women on your hands and you could count the number of qualified women better suited to that industry than a qualified man using only a finger. Its got nothing to do with them being women, its got everything to do with them just not being as good for the jobs as men.
@@jeanlamb5026 You have the ‘evil white man everyone else is oppressed’ rhetoric down to a tee, ill give you that lol. Shame you don’t also have a valid point. I’m sure somewhere there is a someone interviewing people and they don’t hire someone because they are a woman, a man, or black, or white, or Asian etc but it’s a microscopic problem you want to make into a big problem for some reason. Maybe if you spent as much time focusing on the actual problems instead of just trying to pass the responsibly by blaming everything on racism or sexism you would get somewhere, but you cant actually fix what isn’t broken.
@@siggyincr7447 Not sure diversity of opinion is a good thing. of thought perhaps, I'm pretty sure if you have reasonable people discussing a subject at length that they'd coaless around the same opinion in the end even if they had different ones to begin with.
*Nuclear Base Focuses on Diversity, Fails Nuclear Inspections* - from Geller Report "A culture notably absent from the Diversity Day festivities at Minot is a culture of competence"
Iv'e been following Murray, reading and listening to him for some time. He is indeed, among a few capable thinkers of the 21st century, able to articule the problems, the causes and solutions intelligently. So refreshing opposed to the leftist diatribe that we have been subjected to for so long.
The picture on the Left does NOT represent Equality! EQUALITY would be 3 piles of lumber and enough tools & fasteners to build your own stand. The picture on the Right does NOT represent Equity as THEY mean it. EQUITY IS 2 guys HAVING a lumber pile after cutting trees and saw-milling them; / 1 guy fishing and drinking all day, so he does not. Then the pols send Cops to confiscate the lumber from the 2 hard workers and give it to the Freeloader! THAT is Equity! A$$holes!
Putting big government (including legacy media) and oligarchies in check, healing trauma, raising healthy families and educating mindful citizens seem to be what we should all strive for.
Left and Right have different ideas of what is "big government". Mostly is big government something that resticts the rights and freedoms of citizens, or is big government something that restricts the rights and freedoms of large corporations?
@shr00mhead sure. But also prevent citizens from harming each other, and prevent corporations from harming citizens. And then the rest should be all about providing infrastructure for the prosperity of the citizens.
Most people do not exist on an extreme and do not want to exist on an extreme. Those of us who lie somewhere in the middle, slightly left/slightly right are the only ones who can fix this. Those who lie on either extreme are nothing more than a distraction (and becoming a real threat) that is preventing the rest of us from focusing of what really matters. They do not represent the majority, and yet the rest of us have allowed them to steamroll over us and take control of every aspect of our lives. It is time to put our trivial differences to the side; focus on what we all have in common; come together as a United front; and say NO to the extremism. Until we do, this will only continue to get worse; and the longer we put off addressing this, the less likely we are to overcome it and the greater the price we will all have to pay.
Agreed! I think Murray has really good points here, but I don't like the fact that he also legitimizes the left-right dichotomy and places himself strongly within one of those two boxes. There's a lot of extreme polarization along these lines, and I don't know what the solution is. I think a lot of it has to do with the 2 party system in the USA where each party pits their voters against the other party's voters. The media also seems to follow the same type of political split. I've noticed that in countries that have multiple political parties and a representational voting system, things are better, as it allows for a wider spectrum of political views. I consider myself a liberal, of European variety, which means I believe that people should have freedom of thought and of expression, as well as the freedom to live their lives in ways that are meaningful to them, of course as long as they don't harm others. On the political side, a liberal can have a variety of views, ranging from what Americans might consider right-wing to downright socialist. I also believe that our societies, which includes our political leaders, should be more open to running more experiments in living, in economics, in work-life balance etc. Too many people seem to think there is and should be a one size fits all solution to society, when we can see that this is rarely the case given the diverse range of human interests and attitudes. And moreover, too many people propose some sort of solution to a societal problem then just want to directly apply it to the society, and just condemn any critics as heretics/racists/bigots.
One note on 'tolerance': both tolerance *AND* intolerance are helpful, neutral, *AND* harmful, depending on the specific circumstance of each and every unique situation. Should we tolerate someone making basic mistakes as they learn? Of course we should! Should we tolerate someone making basic mistakes if they declare that they are an expert and lives are on the line? Of course we shouldn't! (I also can't help but notice that those who most loudly call for tolerance from their foes are also almost always the most INtolerant people in the room.)
If you're at least a millenial, then you should remember gays and minorities calling for "tolerance" about 20 years ago. This is what people mean by "tolerance" in politics. Tolerating people's differences. Not what they do. But today that "tolerance" was replaced with mandatory "acceptance". You're not allowed to dislike anyone for what they are, even if you're heavily tolerant and would never act on your personal distaste. That's why "tolerance" went out of favor. Because now people want to go into your head and tell you what you have to think, instead of expecting you to just restrain yourself and not discriminate anyone even if you dislike them. Personal dislikes and distastes cannot be tolerated.
The problem is that these days, it's all about box ticking. The right person for the job should be the best, most capable, most experienced/qualified. But what we are seeing is that there has to be a given percentage of female/ethnic/trans, etc, for it to be "fair." Even if these groups dont want to be in that role or are not suited to the role or are incapable of performing it. I used to recruit for an aerospace engineering company, and our annual apprenticeship scheme was open to everyone regardless of race, sex, etc. In 10 years, we had 1 non white person apply (who we set on due to his aptitude for the job). And 1 female (who didn't even turn up for the 1st interview). Consequently, if an outsider looked at us, they would criticise us for our lack of diversity. Should we drag female and non white people off the streets and force them to apply for the sake of ticking boxes?
There is a great deal of historical evidence you've neglected to mention. Those classified as "Black" have only had access to basic human rights for 58 years now. In addition to that fact, many of the policies enacted to combat these disparities have benefited White women more than any other demographic in American history. When you groom a society to adhere to a social construct, changing that ingrained mindset is nearly impossible (that also applies the other side of the spectrum as well).
@@TheEmpiricistNetwork You think that black people only had access to basic human rights for 58 years now? I'm going to assume that you mean in the US, even though the person you're responding to never said where they lived at any time. Please tell which basic human rights black people didn't have in the North.
@@RetroDawn It’s verified by many government agencies that black Americans have only had access to basic human rights for roughly 60 years. As far as the north goes, it was no different from the south regarding segregation and legal discrimination. There’s also a long list of massacres and injustices that occurred in the “north”…
@@TheEmpiricistNetwork You're completely out of touch with history and what has been verified by gov't agencies. You might want to read up on the differences between the north and the south. And there aren't even a long list of massacres of black in the south, let alone the north.
@@fieldagentryan second name does not point out your nationality , just most likely where that name originated from , but then again i doubt i had to explain that to you , but your comment seemed ignorant , so i did anyway
He's a world treasure. His message has, or should have, that kind of reach. We need him, and those like him, to save us from the slide into Orwell's oblivion.
Equity is not about lifting people up It's about lowering the fence, and putting achievers in a hole. The more you are perceived to be from some privileged group, the deeper the hole.
Correct analogy would be "Equity is about having strong and tall people spend some of their energy to help the smaller guy so that they can actually pass the fence"
Why not remove the fence? Then you'd have true freedom to where people at all levels, little middling and big as shown can view things from their angle and all enjoy the game from their own perspectives. That's something I've never seen.
@@tonytalks9070 What exactly is "the fence" in your example? What is the thing you want to remove? Barrier to some jobs? I think there are many barriers/fences needed to keep morons out of some fields.
If the fence is government regulations, then we need to lower it, not remove it. The fed should uphold the constitution and it's regulations within that means. The best option for energy in the WORLD is nuclear, yet regulations prevent new plants from being built faster than 10+ years. Now, some of these regulations are necessary in order to have safe plants, but many of them are simply there because oil and coal lobbyists don't want nuclear to end their billion dollar industries. Or are they trillions now? Anyway.
@@falloodaboy Wheelchair ramps are equality of opportunity, not outcome. But to take your example. There's a lot of projects that have to be ADA compliant, which cost the developers millions of dollars, and delay projects. Projects that will never see ADA use. Then having to go through lengthy bureaucratic approvals for something that will cost millions, waste months of time, and never be used. Ultimately hurting everyone, instead of helping the handicapped person. ADA is a pretty large contributor to government project cost and delay.
If that's the case, then please explain how the slave owners and "white middle class" "earned" the benefits they acquired? Also, explain why the data suggests that the majority of those who become successful already come from affluent families.
@@TheEmpiricistNetwork I think you're confused as to what I'm saying. Becoming successful by pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is not equality of outcome. It's the exact opposite, in fact. Lowering the standards in subjects like English and math so black kids get an A, yet deserve a C or lower is equality of outcome by hurting the kids who actually deserved it. Yes. Even the black kids who deserved an A yet are now ranked the same as kids who write in ghetto speak.
Call me daft but anyone from the UK is automatically disqualified from commenting anything American simply because of their own bitterness. Such sore losers.
If you think Murray is one of our greatest thinkers, we are doomed. He really isn't. He "sounds" smart but is anything but. He has is own agenda and works it like a charm. Nothing more.
I love the part in the middle of the video, of which Ive argued many a time, is that feminists and the left never complain about equality in all the muck working jobs, its always the big air conditioned comfy jobs. You never hear them demand equality in fields like oil rig worker or sewage treatment plant worker, its always things like we need more female or trans or black CEOs and shit.
Those high level jobs allow them to influence a greater number of people/ employees, now the left doesn't seem so friendly. Politicians are all alike, only the methods differ.
I find that to be an odd argument, because haven’t there been struggles to get women into combat positions in the military? The iconic “Rosie the riveter” who is a symbol of women’s rights? The list goes on. Also lots of history of struggles to open blue-collar work to African Americans. Heck, I’m sure the progressives would be up in arms if they heard a garbage collector was fired for being trans. It’s a weird argument.
When you force discrimination at a systemic level, that is evil. Self-discrimination is mostly harmless. We all have preferences even if when taken over time they can lead to bad outcomes. The alternative of forcing an outcome through discrimination is so much worse.
People forget that in a meritocratic system like capitalism personal discrimination ultimately has to fail. You don't want to hire women, blacks, or gays? Well, your competitor will take them if they're actually good and qualified workers and will win over you in the long run. It's a self-correcting system that already promotes equality. Even if you start with "women and minorities had no access to good education and couldn't become well-qualified" argument, that was getting naturally corrected as well. In 90's and 2000's there were more and more women and minorities enrolling in universities, even before this woke craze of discriminating against straight white males in order to make room for them.
@@med2904 Unfortunately that's mostly untrue. There are special case exceptions but mostly in culture people tend to do what their parents and friends do. So if your community is interested in computers and video games, your kids will tend to do the same thing. I would never argue that enforced discrimination should ever be a law or company policy. Self-discrimination is a thing and does lead to different life outcomes because of these cultural behaviors. If people try to force integration, it will just create a lot of resentment. It doesn't work. Culture has to progress naturally not artificially. Equality doesn't factor into it.
What frustrates me is that choosing people based on their gender race sexuality and whatever else, takes the focus away from getting the job done as best as possible and onto peoples look. Surely choosing someone who is the best for the job is more important that fitting quotas.
While a foolishly managed non-fiduciary grew into the largest mortgage company in Texas, I was able to maintain a one man payment dispute department through a ‘V’ curve. As the waste caught up with, and overtook, the fleeting growth income; as expected, employee turnover heightened, except for the president. The assistant collection manager came by and asked, I have a meeting at ten with Phil (the latest collection manager) can you be there? Almost before we sat down, he said, I am trying to get a handle on things and nobody can tell me exactly what you do. (the ‘nobody’ next to me avoided my glance and I immediately realized, this was not a meeting, it was a power play.) I asked, “what did your boss say,?”……”Well, I have not talked to him. I wanted to ask you first”..….“He knows what I do”..…”and exactly (there it is again) what is that”..…”I plug holes; and, more often than should be necessary, put out fires”..…”can you put that in writing?”..…I can; but, if I do, at least one mortgagor will not receive the attention I can give them.” He asked if I was refusing his request and I replied: “No, tell your boss it will be the first thing I do when all the mortgagor’s concerns are addressed.” As I headed for the door, he said, "without that I can’t finish my evaluation". I turned around in the doorway with: “Sure you can. The best all the people you are relying on (as I pointed directly to his bushwhacking accomplice) can tell you, is what should happened. I can tell you what DID happen. I think I hear my phone ringing." - This largest mortgage servicer soon became the largest bankruptcy in Texas history.
It is always a pleasure to listen to Douglas Murray. He explains everything succinctly and accurately. Equity is nonsense and this will cause massive losses in Companies.
Do not let corporate authoritarians control your thoughts an actions. Do not hate the ideas of others more you love your own ideas. That's how they control you.
@@Inoffensive_name I do not let _any_ authoritarians control my thoughts and actions. And there are _many_ types of people who want to do your thinking for you. The fact is that Murray is saying the things many of us are already thinking. He just articulates the ideas more effectively.
Equity is by far the biggest moral scam to ever be concieved, and the fact that we expose such flawed concepts to children with zero nuance is apalling. It is built upon a hypocratic and flawed view of deserving.
In high school, our political science term paper was to define the difference between Democrats and Republicans. The rest of the class turned in binders of text, footnotes and bibliography. I turned in one sheet with two sentences. Republicans say: "Aspire to be anything you want to be; and, if you work hard enough, you will succeed. The Democrats say: "Forget working hard. We will pay someone to do it for you or give you the money to buy it. I got an 'F'. As Paul Harvey would say: "The rest of the story." After I passed two deadlines for a 'real' paper, Jerry transferred me to study hall, a zero graduation credit. When the class counselor, who happened to be a former teacher of one of my bosses at work, found out this 'teacher' was willing to let any student flunk out their senior year, she made him give me a D, and take me back into class so I could graduate. On the last day of school, I went in to thank this champion of losers. At the end, I asked how she arrived at the ‘D’. She said it came from a mentor of mine, Carl Albert. Thank you, Theresa Koehler, (Semper Fi) for teaching a crippled boy the most important lesson an educator can convey - When you are right, stand your ground!
@@johncollins7062 Thank you John - a lovely storey. I have 2 kids here in Australia - 11 and 13. A common conversation we have is on being tolerant and open to hearing all sides, becoming informed and then standing our ground on our own convictions, drawn hopefully from a balance of perspectives and according to our values. I might just add that I think you were taught much more than standing your ground, gratitude being one foundational characteristic you exude, clearly! Regards, David
@@deldridg- You have touched on one of the worst aberrations of this era. When anyone dares to stand alone and makes a legitimate observation, the social media "dog pile" bullies them into an awkward, and ineffective, apology. In a hundred years, the cancel culture will be viewed as just another Salem witch trial episode.
I absolutely adore Douglas hesca breath of fresh air highly intelligent and I could listen to him all day. COMMONSENSE is still showing signs of life like a little flame 🔥
I really rated Malcolm Gladwell as an author, and was keen to see him in a live debate - what a disappointment he was. A clear demonstration that IQ does not equal common sense.
@@mattturner5429 this is why atheists can’t be true conservatives. They promote evil ideology just like the left. You know it used to be looked down upon to be a heathen and now individuals like you actually take pride in it. It’s literally impossible for God not to exist. Never mind it’s beneath human dignity and reason to think humans randomly evolved from pond scum. I hope you and Douglas repent and change your ways before it’s too late. You have your entire life but I strongly urge that you don’t wait as the only thing keeping you from the fires of Gehenna for all eternity is God willing your heart to beat another second. I’m here if you need help in converting. Otherwise good luck.
How about we all agree it would be nice to live in a world where as many people as possible were able to reach as close to their fullest potential as possible? Why do we obsessively continue to look at individual achievements through a comparative lens, always comparing ourselves to other’s Facebook page photos?
I agree with this 3000%! I've been saying that what we need is an emphasize on everyone being the best that they can be, rather than being equal. I don't care if Oprah or Musk has more money or fame or whatever. That's irrelevant.
@@TheJeremyKentBGross The problem is envy. At some point people will reach a place where they'd rather fight than live in bad conditions (fair or unfair). Technology has only made this worse, as wealth is being concentrated in fewer people, and social media broadcasts it for all to see. There's a price to peace between the "haves" and "have nots," and it's an eternal struggle on where we draw this line. Though today's problem with "fairness" is more of an issue with education / indoctrination (warping everyone's world views) than anything else.
This is making the woeful assumption that the average human is striving for some lofty aspirational paradigm rather than being somewhat cognitively advanced chimpanzees looking for a consistently favorable caloric-expenditure-to-benefit ratio.
GOD I love Douglas Murray since I discovered him almost 6 years ago. He has educated me in many ways. Yes with discussion and how to debate (I admit I'm still struggling to keep my shit together when someone won't open their ears lol) but I have learnt soo many words which I didn't understand before. So before I carried on listening I looked them up so I could understand the full context of any said discussion. It's VERY empowering to feel you have learnt something inadvertently as well as consciously. I'm 46 now and never really gave a damn about social issues, politics or government policy in my 20s which I regret.
Douglas Murray is a British Conservative thinker . When I was young we used to say that Cream rises to the top . Know its more pertinent to say , that Sh*t floats.
I love the thumbnail photo used to intro this video. It expresses the thought that elevating everyone to the same position gives them the same view. We all have different talents and abilities. Putting me on a box so I can see a game doesn't mean I'm going to gain more from a game I don't understand or never played. Some things only come from learning and experience. That 'gradual' growth, as spoken of in this video, is valuable and will make those who take that path stronger, not weaker or hindered.
Wish I could like this more than once. The additional step that one must comprehend the view one now has fits in myriad ways, and that the pearls will be lost before swine escapes the pure environmental “nurture” thinkers.
quotas force less qualified people into positions where another person would do a better job if the quota wouldn't exist .. creating lower efficiency over all and resentment amongst those who see a person in a privileged position which is in this place because of quotas
Yes. As engaging as Douglas Murray's speech was, this three-line comment explains the problem far better than he did. I wonder why he didn't say what you just said.
The issue with the vision of equity that they are proposing is very simple. We are not talking about random boxes on the street to watch a game without paying. We are talking about people's property, and their vision of equity is to use violence to take away people's property, so they can manage it and re-distribute arbitrarily. This effectively places all property at the hands of the politicians, which have no incentives to manage well. Since now, private property is not a reward for hard work, instead of focusing on building, creating and thriving, the focus now becomes pleasing the politician. The end result is a total economic failure and impoverishment of the region. The reason the right focuses on not doing that is because of the cataclysmic nature of it. The specifics of what we should do instead is basically irrelevant and it is best left for the individual to figure out. The problem of "Oh that is complacent and would take too long" is just absurd because it assumes that diversity is the goal, instead of the natural end result of a fair society, and assumes that taking away people's property by force is a valid method to achieve this goal. If instead the goal would be a fair society, the time component is completely removed, we just need to focus on protecting peaceful people from unjustified aggression, which is what the right is constantly talking about doing.
Elected officials have more of an incentive to efficiently use resources for the betterment of society than billionaires. It’s also much harder to hold them accountable for wrongdoing.
Humanity has a long history of seizing one's ill gotten gains from unjust activity. We're a little more civilized today and use lawsuits. But if one group has disproportionately benefitted from bad behavior, it's entirely precedented to redress this, using force as required. As to "what the right is constantly talking about doing," has the nice implication of "I got mine, we can start being equal now."
The struggle between Left and Right is always the Right giving compromise and the Left giving nothing. Because of that, we continually move Leftward. And the Left criticizes the Right for intolerance. It's beyond time for the Right to grow a spine.
Conservatives by definition are wedded to the past. So it’s not surprising that most societies tend to move leftward. It’s also not surprising that conservatives tend to be old.
Douglas your views is reflection to the pure truth and helps to better our understanding to ourselves and our fellow human beings without lies. Douglas is amazing for his passion for the truth. Love you Douglas ❤
I’ve met like 3 women electricians in my career as an electrician. They’re all cool and pull their weight, because if they didn’t they would have weeded themselves out like the weak men do.
Rightly so, it's about time we decided to provide answers and ideas instead of complaining about the Left and "dismantling" their arguments. We need solutions and actionable plans.
The solution was implemented a long time ago, it is against the law for a company to discriminate at all. But this wasn't good enough and now lefties want more discrimination not less.
Right, so where are these lovely conservative plans now? Get the impression that wanting to dismantle leftist arguments and finger pointing is still the best they can do so far.
@@quentinstyger747 Do what the Left did and capture the institutions by training your children to do to so. The Left strategically used their university lecturers to publish bogus papers that favoured their ideology, they also trained the next generations of teachers to indoctrinate children into their ideology from a young age. So the solution? We essentially need to do the same, only the difference is that we do it based on logic, facts, and love. The weapon of the Left is using peoples emotions against them, which is why they prey on disgruntled young adults, who hate their parents (usually due to neglectful parenting), or children who don't know better, to do their fighting for them under the guise of helping them through the lense of victimhood. Our own children can be used to recapture the institutions that we lost by paying special attention to what they are learning, taking an active role in their learning and social lives, and by being good parents, can persuade them against the siren song of victimhood that the left sings. That is the gift of having children; they are your legacy. With your hard work into raising them, they can work hard to rebuild the society and culture that was destroyed by the Left. The other solutions are to form pockets of influence, usually other parents, and form communities that are tight knit. It's going to be hard, and take a long time, however it would be worth it in the end. It's easy to put your head down and ignore the world, focussing only on yourself and your family, but it takes courage to drift away from that and encourage community.
Imagine a world where you advertise for a position but you can’t hire the best person most qualified person for the job because they are male, white, straight. Imagine having to are pressured to hire someone who will make you business worse because you have to meet a quota. What a shit world. Oh wait that happened to me. We do live in that world.
Yes, diversity quotas and such are only a band-aid solution to the root problem of certain groups being disadvantaged. In an ideal world, I believe those who fall behind should be given additional support until they're able to perform at a sufficient level - that's what true equality is, in my opinion.
@@Rikri If you want to volunteer to provide that additional support and encourage others to do likewise, good on you; if you want to steal money from other people to pay for it, you're evil.
@@Rikri Not at all. I'm saying that stealing money from people to pay for your idea is evil. If you can convince people to voluntarily contribute toward that goal, than that's great.
@@timsmith2525 That's kind of hard to do in today's society with how self-interested people tend to be. Most people wouldn't voluntarily contribute their money to most kinds of infrastructure if they knew their contributions were unlikely to accomplish much on their own. I'm not an economist, but my understanding is that when you create new opportunities for people to provide value to society, they don't necessarily have to harm other opportunities in the process. Generally, when someone receives funding to take up such a responsibility, the main thing it costs society are other obligations that given person might be able to fulfill instead. Given that definition of "resource", I don't think enough of our resources are being put into actually supporting those who need it.
As always a pleasure listening to Douglas speak. Though I think it should be pointed out that "steel-maning" your own position or what you are in favor of, i.e. meritocracy, isn't really in the spirit of the concept. Normally "steel-maning" refers to putting forth the best version of your opposition's argument, not your own.
@@Basicx951 Yeah, I'm not really faulting him for it. Just clarifying for those that might not know. I would be happy to be half as well-spoken as Murray.
I’m beginning to think Douglass is the brightest of all thinkers on the “right” today. Every time I listen to him I’m amazed at the clarity of his thinking.
I agree. Douglas Murray is, at the very least one of the brightest thinkers of the Right and I would go a step further and call him one of the greatest political thinkers alive today
I don't think he said anything profound here but it was hard for me to listen and focus on his words. The audio was so quiet and he was speaking with so little energy oddly.
I am a heterosexual Man who has worked in the building industry for almost forty years, I am what some would call a "Toxic Male". Douglas Murray is a.... Well, he's a Homosexual, condescending and at times arrogant Man. This Man talks so much sense! I have enjoyed two of his books so far and like his view on life! According to modern leftist mindset, he should hate me as much as I should hate him! Not so! Thank you Douglas for being a light of common sense and reality in this mad, mad World!
be very wary about people who describe another group as "toxic". greetings from Germany, where we have a nasty history with that (yet this toxic masc. narrative still has caught on here, unfortunately)
@@hpholland In my humble mind, I think we build Homes! I see people go to work, Children go to school, Dad's mow lawns and Mom's create homes! We work in all weathers, we battle against cold, we work when we are drenched through to the skin, we work when the heat is far too much to bear! But... Behind us is a community of people who have settled into their homes! Yes, some of them hate us because we make a lot of dust and noise! But when we finally move on, we leave a community!
You're not toxic because you're a heterosexual male. Toxic is a series of behaviors. Do you exhibit those behaviors? If no, then you're not a toxic male. There's no need to play identity politics.
We seem to have forgotten our aspirations for the 21st century. I was eight-years-old when Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon. I remember growing up with a strong sense that we were rapidly moving towards a better, technologically-enhanced life for all. Programmes like 'Tomorrow's World' showed us, every week, the scientific wonders around the corner. What we didn't count upon was the rise of the lunatic left in Western society. Robotics and AI development should have been an area of science that would exponentially boost our knowledge and make the world better for all. From its early days it was subject to Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics (which basically precluded any possibility of AI/Robotics harming mankind). We now find that the left have abandoned those principles and see it as a tool with which to control and censor public opinion - which makes it very dangerous. I'm not "far-right", I'm simply dismayed that the potential gains for mankind are being dragged into the mire by twisted people with stunted minds and the meanest aspirations. They also know very well that "renewables" technology is basically very expensive garbage. The "net zero" policies are like going back to the the Little Ice Age and short-sighted government telling all scientists to focus on making better candles, instead of ultimately developing electricity for heating and lighting, thus making all our lives better. But, of course, "renewables" make a lot of people rich.
@Mac Cleba Yes. The problems are two fold, one is the people complaining now about what is being done with societal shifts, were often the children of ones that did nothing to assist the ones that missed out, and actively did everything they could to keep that going. The far greater problem, is the small numbers at the very top took advantage of both societal shifts, and manipulated the ones in power at that time, to grab more than they need, and vast numbers of people missed out. The vast numbers that are causing chaos now are the grandchildren of that generation.
And now you have the first black astronaut going to circle the moon reading "Whitey on the Moon" aloud. I guess that man forgot about his sister and that rat.
@Mac Cleba I totally agree on human selfishness. Your are also right on financial liberation. Not for material liberation, as the West sees these things, but because where I come from, everything we need to survive needs financial access to do so at all levels today. As Maori, that requires money for all of my cultural and survival needs. I want food, I have to pay money for petrol, and the food itself. I want to interact with my own culture, I need to pay for more petrol to do so. Right now, that is expensive, and will only get more costly.
Countries like Iceland save millions using renewables, I don’t think you realise how large the fossile fuel industry is compared to renewables. If you wanted to make money you’d go with fossil fuels not renewable
The people halting technological advancement are capitalists. Planned obsolescence in the aim of profit means products are well below the standard they could be. The reason we haven’t automated so much of our workforce is because then people would have free time and that would be the evil of communism
The overlooked point is "How do you define merit?" Your merit is your worth. Who defines what aspect of a person is worth more than another aspect? We default that to earning power. You are worth more if you can earn more. But to a person with a parent with dementia, the excellent carer for you relative has the most merit.
We can't base "merit" on anything else than your earning power because any other definition will immediately become subjective. As you've noticed, a good carer might be the most important for a customer who needs someone to care for their mother. But how many such carers are needed vs. how easy it is to become one? It's a relatively easy job that requires only the right personality and some basic medical knowledge. So probably about 10-20% of people could do it. While being a doctor or an engineer is a lot more demanding and less than 1% of people can do it. So this is where the higher merit comes from. You have to look at what the entire society needs and not what you or any other specific person needs the most at the moment.
That's exactly the problem, most people don't have a functioning mind, most need someone to tell them what to do, and the person who tells them what to do has an evel less functioning mind, but is incredibly charismatic.
@@silverfoxeater I agree with your sentiment, however I would say that, even playing devil's advocate, the 'left's' demonstrations of why equity is necessary (those that I have read and seen), are deeply flawed. Typically the argument goes, 'Equal opportunity doesn't work because certain subsets of people start on different rungs of the ladder, and therefore have much higher to climb.' The problem with this allegory is the concept of a single ladder. There is no 'single ladder' to achieve a goal. Every individual 'starts' on different rungs of an infinite amount of ladders. Intelligence, wealth, strength, familial heritage, location, race, gender, eye colour, allergies - any one of a million different factors can and do play into how likely you are to achieve success (with 'success' again governed by a million different factors) - and thus it is impossible to quantify. And anyone who claims that they can, and wants to install their version of a solution, WILL wreak disaster on society. In effect, equity has the exact same flaws that the communist states of the 20th century had - the Problem of Knowledge.
@silverfoxeater "everything political is completely subjective." This is false. Political thought deals with real-world effects, and truth (as well as opinion I agree), and historical analysis can show that some political thought and subsequent action caused enormous suffering, or perhaps less suffering and even good. This is measurable, an quantifiable, else how could anything actually get done? Therefore the results of policy, and the enactment of social science (it is a science) can be measured. Although much of political effort and resulting ideas are subjective in their reach - appealing or not appealing to the electorate, the actual business of politics, which includes what happens during government or out of government, can be measured. Although this can be denied, it is still no less measurable to professors of social science and political science.
It is very sobering to look backwards at the peak of one’s society and wonder if the decline ahead will be a gradual one or a very steep slope. I fear the latter.
It looks steep because you see & hear it being talked about. Walk away from those sources & just interact with people and it maybe on their minds, but they gotta eat first.
I think the biggest problem with equality is just that in a lot of cases it's a nonsense concept. It's all very well to say all else being equal nobody should be discriminated against for their gender / race / other characteristic, but frequently all else is not equal and what people are actually asking for is special treatment. If you look at say the issue of women's rights for instance you can have equality when it comes to voting as gender is irrelevant in that area of life, but when it comes to say careers equality becomes impossible to achieve because like it or not there are fundamental differences between men and women. To claim gender should be irrelevant to career progression and job prospects is ridiculous when you consider that one gender is considerably more likely to suddenly announce that they'd like a year off to have a baby and they'd also like you to pay them for it. I lean left and support maternity leave as a concept, but even i wouldn't blame companies for not being so keen to promote women to high ranking positions when it's inherently so much more risky investing your resources training women than it is men. Some would say it's discrimination to assume a female employee will definitely have kids and cause an inconvenience to your company, but i would argue it's a situation that occurs so frequently and has such considerable effects on businesses that someone's gender is absolutely relevant to whether you should hire them or not. I'm highly in favour of businesses making adjustments to allow people to have careers as well as families, but find those screaming from the rooftops that they should be able to have better work life balance and put in less hours than their peers but still rise through the ranks just as quickly to be incredibly entitled.
Yes, it is a demand for special treatment. In my life, I have often endeavoured to receive such treatment. I have argued, debated, I have revealed my special knowledge and intentions in order to achieve it and clearly stated why I believe I deserve it. I was by no means self-critical when I thought I was picking the sultanas out of the cake and I didn't always get them, because someone else was faster or better at it than I was. That's life. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. As far as this twisting of the exception to become the rule is concerned, it should be rejected in principle. Anyone who does not intend to do anything to receive special treatment is not entitled to it in principle. You only ever have a chance in principle, but not a right in principle. To confuse the two is stupidity or laziness of the mind. But if you turn it around and the consequence of this is that those who gain a position by right but not by ability cannot even say with a clear conscience that they were wrong, because then they would have to accept the consequences. Which they do not do if no authority guides them ( which is always their own authority). We have put honour and faith on the film screen, where it jumps in our faces and we still believe that they only exist there.
If you'll look closely at the little illustration you easily see the flaw in "equity". Someone else's "boxes" are taken to raise another up. They should get their own "box".
Equality of opportunity has resulted in less equal outcomes, so less equity, not more, in the Scandinavian countries. This reflects the freedom of individual choices, which is preferred to the tyranny of quotas, surely. So why is the male nurse earning more than the female nurse? The reason often is that the male has specialised in the operation of technical medical equipment, so is remunerated accordingly, etc.
Being in a softer society, it's hard to provide answers of our own if we aren't willing to be criticized and shamed for just having those ideas. The censorship of the left will help destroy our society as we know it, as well as gender dysphoria of course.
That’s why it’s problematic. Equity to many is making sure in every position there is someone in that position based on skin color regardless of their merits or skills.
To be clear nothing described in this video is the “left’s” definition of “equality”, or “diversity”. But in fact the liberal/centrist, aka capitalist view of equality and diversity. Doing the bare minimum to fit quotas, to not disrupt the status quote
What was explained by Douglas, reminds me of feminism. When confronted, Feminist want the High status jobs but refuse to do the hardworking jobs!!!! Feminist have double standards! The problem with their version of equity, is that quota's diminish the talent pool of any organization. If they hire a woman or minority due to requirements to meet quotas, that means they can be a minority but completely wrong person for the job. This propagates further, when the actual person who should have had the job on merit and experience, will leave the company to find another job. Thereby hurting the organization further!!! This has got to STOP!!!!!! I just how we can fix it before it gets really ugly!!!
Not if you played baseball before April 15, 1947. And don't be naïve to think sports is a meritocracy today. It was only 10 years ago that the "black quarterback" ceased to be an anomaly.
@@tgm2474 I’m Dutch. But in the US people are placed in teams nowadays because they have a certain skin color or are Asian or are disabled etc. you say? Or are they the best in what they do in order to win?
This reminds me of when my kids were young. What is "fair"? What was fair for one might not be fair for the other. Time factors into this as well. The needs/wants of each kid factors into it. So what was fair (money, time, etc) in 2000 isn't the same as what is fair in 2015, 2023. My kids got it.
I’ve heard the argument about bricklayers and such many times. Bricklayers do not make decisions that affect many others, it is not a position of power and such the battles of equality are focused elsewhere, the positions that will affect the larger populous.
I remember learning this image (the one in the thumbnail) and it’s message in elementary school, and having the teacher tell us about equity. Thanks for your perspective, I wish school wasn’t so political and biased
@@nathanielkidd2840 right. not to mention the kids pictured in the cartoon will grow up & get taller. that's nature. no boxes needed. nonsensical cartoon for explaining politics
I left the U.K. in 2015 when I realised that the corporate world was no longer a meritocracy. I now run a consulting and a publishing business in central Europe. That is all.
The corporate world was never a meritocracy. White guys with good golf scores still get ahead faster. I guess some white guys get bent out of shape when those Inferior Other People actually get promotions.
The problem with the kids and the crates analogy is that the crates were a resource that were already there (it is presumed). This is not analogous to the resources in a society, because people have to spend their own time, effort and money to produce them. The correct analogy would me more like the short guy demanding the tall one to buy the wood and then build a crate for him, and then enforce this using an authority that compels him to do it threatening him with jail if he doesnt.
That is what it's like. Furthermore, there is no reason, by dint of hard work and application, why the little guy shouldn't build his own crate. He just hasn't. And of course, if the materials are not close at hand, actually we would insist that the tall guy kneel down *as the crate*, and the little guys stand on him, and he doesn't get to see the game at all. He must do this because of his "privilege" while all those who are doing the insisting are inside the ground, in the Executive Suite, for nothing, because of their "humanity".
Yeah, my english is ban I cant explain my thought about the picture in thumbnail... I see nothing wrong with the pic and its not reallly relevant with the issue they are talking about.
I have a great deal of respect for you, sir. Listening to this same discussion, a year later, and it causes me to really stop and think about things "as they are" and make the decision to strive for better❤
Acedia (/əˈsiːdiə/; also accidie or accedie /ˈæksɪdi/, from Latin acēdia, and this from Greek ἀκηδία, "negligence", ἀ- "lack of" -κηδία "care") has been variously defined as a state of listlessness or torpor, of not caring or not being concerned with one's position or condition in the world. In ancient Greece akidía literally meant an inert state without pain or care.[1] Early Christian monks used the term to define a spiritual state of listlessness and from there the term developed a markedly Christian moral tone.[2] In modern times it has been taken up by literary figures and connected to depression.
One point I don't think I've seen made (Jordan Peterson possibly made this point but I don't recall), is that in order to have an equal representation of all people across any possible characteristic in any possible industry is to allocate everything uniformly randomly. You need 1000 architects? Okay just select them at random from the population, we need 1000 so don't let things like qualifications get in the way. 50,000 bricklayers? Selected at random. Airline pilots? Board members? Doctors? Surgeons? Random. It's the ONLY way to guarantee a representative sample of characteristics given any possible selection criteria. When people call for "equity" what they really want are the vast complex systems we rely on to function in a modern society to be reduced to "eeny-meeny-miney-mo" in order to allocate resources and select people for jobs and positions.
I've seen nobody who wants equity calling for eeny-meeny-miney-mo sorts of allocations. Can you cite someone notable who has done so? What are your sources on this? I suspect you've been the victim of propaganda on this one.
@@tgm2474 Of course they aren't explicitly calling for eeny-meeny-miney-mo allocation, they haven't thought that far ahead. Someone notable? Cathy Newman: ""You've got only seven women running the top FTSE 100 companies" - should that be 50%? 2018 California law (before it was removed)? "The law required publicly held companies headquartered in California to have one member who identifies as a woman on their boards of directors by the end of 2019. By January 2022, boards with five directors were required to have two women and boards with six or more members were required to have three women." In England, some NHS goals are to close certain gaps by proportion of race in the country. If you take any characteristic (race, sex, gender identity) and say it has to be representative of the population, you want random allocation.
My tolerance for tolerance is finally INTOLERABLE! I started my slow slide back into the light of rectitude when I realized Obama made Race hustling his Number one priority.
I can pretty easily imagine why tolerance has fallen out of favor. Give an inch, lose a mile. Tolerance only works if it's reciprocal. Otherwise, it's just one group taking advantage of another.
Exactly right… it always was
When someone says "tolerance has fallen out of favour", if from those saying they espouse tolerance, in recent years this has often be exposed as nothing more than telling others to shut-up and stop speaking out against things they see as wrong/obnoxious in other cultures or social 'groups' (for example the wearing of a piece of clothing, baring flesh, flying rainbow flags, or the Union Jack etc).
Now that we have had the so-called Equality Act for some years, there is a very real risk in doing any speaking out, as some identified 'groups' feel themselves beyond reproach and protected in whatever they say or do in law if they can say they felt 'distressed' or 'threatened'. They are not actually protected from criticism of course, as it is perfectly legal to criticise anyone publicly, but the Police are often called during some petty grievance to make that judgement and pull the accused but often innocent person off the street to "keep the peace", much to the satisfaction of the extremist group or person who took the offence, but who typically isn't censured by the Police from shouting insults and threatening the person they accused with violence if s/he does not desist from their supposed "free-speech". It's not all the Police's fault that they do this. It's the truly asinine law that allows this to happen, although there are some rather eager Police officers only too willing to arrest those saying some very innocent and normal things, such as reading a passage from the Bible. Not wanting to be accused of not acting, the Police err on the side of the complainant, not the accused. Anything for an easy life, we may suppose.
"Guilty until proven innocent" is how it tends to work, but that's not how the Police see it, because the Public Order Act allows Police intervention to prevent a civil disturbance or risk of harm escalating to actual harm. That they later discharge a person without any charge having been made is of no interest to them. They just acted in the easiest way they could: Remove the apparent cause of the trouble - the speaker. Some may say that might be fair enough where genuine danger to life or limb exists; the problem is that the bar for actual harm has now been brought too low, and can mean almost anything, including "distress". God forbid that any protected group should feel upset from what someone says about them, whether in private, on a twitr post, or in a physical public square! We simply can't have that, or debate such things in a civilized manner or even be allowed to apologise after a discussion, it seems. No. We have to up the aggression and accuse the other side of an illegal act. It's not allowed that a grievance be given a reasonable chance of redress to save us all some pain and a lot of cost to policing unnecessary accusations of harm.
The MP's who made these laws could have written a sensible law that prevented accusations of harm being brought on ''gross offence' grounds. They chose not to, and I believe they did so for reasons of complete denial of their solemn responsibility to enact only laws which are equitable, and which advance the peaceful co-existence of the various peoples of our United Kingdom. The question is, for how much longer is it to be united, given the pressure to conform, sit down, and say nowt about the nonsense going on all around us, in the name of Tolerance?
spot on about the need for reciprocity. Unfortunately we are at a point where the aggrieved feel they are owed everything and owe nothing in return, not even simple gratitude or respect, to anyone else.
@@mobsurfnut2616 I agree with you completely. It is ludicrous what the law in the UK has done to a person's ability to speak honestly on certain subjects. The whole "words are violence" idea needs to be put to rest.
Honestly it's social media it profits from your engagement in intolerance
Tolerance has limits. That's why engineers measure it.
Or just that they've changed the meaning of tolerance so much that we don't agree with it anymore. I still believe in tolerance as it was defined in the 90's and 00's
@@Ryan-is-me Same thing with the word racism, so missused that it means nothing when people say it
@@Ryan-is-me That's just it, tolerance previously was essentially like with free speech, in that I may disagree with you entirely but defend your right to have that opinion. These days tolerance means subservience.
yeah tolerance for racists
@@junaydmalick807 good. Tolerance for all. You are not being asked to marry the racist or conduct business with them or attend barbecues with them? They are free to speak and you are free to respond or ignore.
You falsely misunderstand that free speech means you are louder than them or deserve to be heard.
Murray is 100% right, here. Conservatives must become creative, offering answers and not just reactions.
Conservatives are just that ... for the most part they try to conserve the status quo or be reactionary / pull back advancements made by others. They don't do big changes and they're most certainly not creative. We must find a way to get rid of the left-right thinking and give power back to the reason and temperateness of the the people in the middle, the doubters who do not deal in absolute truths but rather know both sides can have valid points.
I'm neither a conservative nor a leftist. I agree with both sides on some issues. I used to be agreeing with more points from the left than the right until 5-10 years ago, now I agree with more from the right ... I'd never call myself a conservative though because there also many aspects that are absolutely putrid about today's conservatives (Trump, the growing love for strong leaders / dictators etc. ... there are just so many foul, morally corrupt people in higher up position (just like on the left - there for different reasons though)). Common sense and the ability to question and if need be change one's own opinions on the basis of ever-changing circumstances is a virtue people must rediscover if we're ever to get out of the mess our democracies and political landscapes have become in the West.
The truth can not be more creative than a lie. The truth can only be what it is, the lie can offer you everything.
The Right and Conservatives have always offered people meaning and a way of life. But Christianity and Christian philosophy was rejected for the creative but bankrupt conceit of the Left. To the point that even uttering the words and making the suggestion invites ridicule. This despite the Right being able to spot ahead of time and call out in advance how and why this would all play out.
I think that the Solution (hard work) is so old and so simple that people just ignore it. Or it's drowned out by the screams of victimhood and entitlement.
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Hard work achieves nothing when workers are starved. Conservative values must be destroyed for justice to win,globally.
I have an answer for almost everything. Which is your most important.
A man who makes me proud to be British. An extremely rare occurrence in these strange times.
Indeed, those who disbelieve spend their wealth to avert [people] from the way of Allah. So they will spend it; then it will be for them a [source of] regret; then they will be overcome. And those who have disbelieved - unto Hell they will be gathered.
There are some things in Britain past and present that I would change...but nothing defeats my love for and pride in my cradle country. Besides most of the unpleasantness was instigated by the Normans and the Saxe coburgs. so case dismissed! 🤣😂
I dislike his manner. But he is interesting to listen to.
@@sheireland3737 Oh, I like "his manner."
I love that image of "equity." It inherintely assumes a supperiority/inferiority in one and the other. It doesn't help the little one grow to be bigger, it just always assumes the little one is always little.
If they all bought tickets they wouldn't have needed the boxes.
If that's how you percieve it, then you've entirely missed the point
There's more than one way to skin a cat, the ticket costs the same for all of them, that's what makes it equal.
The "little guy" is expected to stay small, so the left can exploit the victimhood in perpetuity.
The picture you are using is old news. People on the left don’t even like it because its like saying “being a minority is a disability”. If you are going to make a case against equity attack their current stance instead of this easy target.
As someone who used to be a die-hard leftist. It is really sad to see the party I grew up a part of lose touch with reality so heavily.
Depends what you mean by the left
The left is a pretty wide spectrum. It should be noted that it's the extremes of both sides that you want to avoid
@listen2meokidoki such a stupid thing to say
@listen2meokidoki264 By what definition? Democrats are pretty conservative by European standards.
@@rogueatlas The European left is economically more left (the traditional way) but the democrats are more left in cultural issues. I think a lot of people don't like the new cultural direction the left is taking.
I 100% agree. On "diversity bingo" I check off "woman" and "disabled", so some companies or HR people might feel obligated to hire me and I find that deeply insulting. I'm not hired over competition with men or other women because of my skills, education, intelligence, or experience - just because I have books and your workplace quota is low on that?! Oh yes, how "equal", how "loving". 😡
disabled?? A pharmacy chain in UK today altered their parking lot signs from "Disabled" spaces to "Less Able" spaces.
And due to the nonsense equity ideology pushed by institutions, minorities that received their position due to experience, capabilities, knowledge will need to deal with others thinking that they got the job because they ticked boxes relating to race, gender or disability. No thank you.
I see both sides. I haven't worked for about 20 years thanks to 'intersectional' disabilities, ie: I have lots... and my only hope of re- entering the workforce at near 50 is some sort of bridging or Custom Employment program.
I know because I've tried everything else.
My only skills are Lived Experience.
So, I may take advantage of an Equity-type program at some point.
It's a similar story for most of my cohort (autistics).
The trouble with Meritocracy is that it isn't that great at measuring Merit. Companies are only just figuring this out and recruiting autistics like mad.
Douglas is great but he's a bit simple sometimes. This isn't the first time I've proven him incorrect, slightly disingenuous and ill-informed.
But it is my hobby.
@@GeraldSmallbear Lived experience can be a valuable skill to apply in certain fields, i.e. practical job experience or wisening up over overcoming hardship.
This does not, however, supplant necessary skills as a GP/surgeon, pilot, language expert etc.
Claiming meritocracy is poor at figuring out merit - giving no examples - and claiming that companies hire autistics like mad - i.e. you being unemployed for 20 years - I don't see you proving Murray wrong.
Instead, you contradict yourself. Also, this comes across as rather self-congratulary.
Obliged not obligated.
The problem with equity is that it will always result in everyone being at the bottom because there's no other way to force the same outcome for all. You cannot force someone into success, only into failure so the only option is to cut down everyone who strives for the top down to the level of those who won't.
Which may, in fact, be the entire point of it. Hatred of success is a real thing.
yep. this is obvious to any little kid who has ever received a participation trophy after giving it their all, just like the kid who didn't even bother to show up. Not only that but for government to be capable of equalizing all the differences between people it would have to have so much power and control over people's lives that no human freedom would be possible. Anybody that thinks about "equity" for more than two seconds can see that it's a retarded idea which has no possibility of working in the real world -- and you wouldn't want it to because it would be a nightmare. Which is what makes me think we are dealing with a bunch of spoiled, entitled children who have never seen the real world because they've spent their whole lives in the school system being pampered and coddled by bureaucrats whose job it is to maximize enrollment and student retention by catering to their every deranged whim. Notice that the whole argument is framed in terms of "how much stuff the government should give us." Should it give everybody the same, or scale up based on need? Ah yes, the politics of "gibs me dat." How much free shit whould we vote for ourselves to get? A little or a lot or as much as we want? Hmm-- decisions, decisions...
It's not equality of outcome, that is impossible. It's equality of opportunity e.g. anyone (born in the USA) can become president but not everyone does.
George Orwell, in The Road To Wigan Pier, described socialists as people who hated the rich, rather than loved the poor. As a former member of a socialist party, I've come to the conclusion that he was correct.
@@memisemyself
I always thought it wasnt that they hate the rich, but that they are _jealous_ of the rich. Because Ive lost count of how many self proclaimed Socialists/Communists Ive seen become rich (using the very system that they claim to despise, mind you) and then continue to pretend like they arnt rich so they can keep "hating" the rich. It all just boils down to them wanting to be the ones with all the power and money. And they are more than willing to lie, cheat and steal (and worse) to get it.
Always love Douglas’s sarcasm. ‘We need more trans road-layers’. 😂
Females
Not sarcasm, we need diversity quotas for road laying and electrical pole maintenance.
@@Fashbinderyour trash
@@Fashbinderyeah we need more women to be coal miners
Not much Equity in the construction industry, mining industry, steel works, sewage works, best person for the job and if its hard work reward them appropriately
Yes, it's fun to keep qualified women out and sexually harass the few that get to work in those fields. Look, you talk pretty but an awful lot of women have been treated like that, if they get hired in the first place.
Let's not pretend that the trades doesn't have their share of bullsh1t as well. Favoritism, ratting on workers to the bosses, gossip, poor/grumpy attitudes (diva attitudes) etc. Some of these so called "tough" blue collar guys act worse than b1tches on their periods.
@@jeanlamb5026 For every 10000 men qualified in one of those fields you could count the number of qualified women on your hands and you could count the number of qualified women better suited to that industry than a qualified man using only a finger. Its got nothing to do with them being women, its got everything to do with them just not being as good for the jobs as men.
Oh, right, and you just *know* they aren't qualified because they don't get hired. Just like black people somehow aren't qualified etc.
@@jeanlamb5026 You have the ‘evil white man everyone else is oppressed’ rhetoric down to a tee, ill give you that lol. Shame you don’t also have a valid point. I’m sure somewhere there is a someone interviewing people and they don’t hire someone because they are a woman, a man, or black, or white, or Asian etc but it’s a microscopic problem you want to make into a big problem for some reason. Maybe if you spent as much time focusing on the actual problems instead of just trying to pass the responsibly by blaming everything on racism or sexism you would get somewhere, but you cant actually fix what isn’t broken.
" Diversity means conformity - it's a terrible word. "
- Morrissey, 2022
They advocate for every sort of diversity except for the kind that actually matters, diversity of opinion.
@@siggyincr7447 Not sure diversity of opinion is a good thing. of thought perhaps, I'm pretty sure if you have reasonable people discussing a subject at length that they'd coaless around the same opinion in the end even if they had different ones to begin with.
*Nuclear Base Focuses on Diversity, Fails Nuclear Inspections*
- from Geller Report
"A culture notably absent from the Diversity Day festivities at Minot is a culture of competence"
It actually means Antiwhite. You don't see any push for diversity in any other culture.
@@siggyincr7447 nope, just about skin color
Iv'e been following Murray, reading and listening to him for some time. He is indeed, among a few capable thinkers of the 21st century, able to articule the problems, the causes and solutions intelligently. So refreshing opposed to the leftist diatribe that we have been subjected to for so long.
Douglas Murray is one of the most inspirational people we have today.
He is an authoritarian playing you against your countrymen. Do not let elites control your mind.
The picture on the Left does NOT represent Equality!
EQUALITY would be 3 piles of lumber and enough tools & fasteners to build your own stand.
The picture on the Right does NOT represent Equity as THEY mean it.
EQUITY IS 2 guys HAVING a lumber pile after cutting trees and saw-milling them; / 1 guy fishing and drinking all day, so he does not.
Then the pols send Cops to confiscate the lumber from the 2 hard workers and give it to the Freeloader!
THAT is Equity!
A$$holes!
How so?
Reminds me of William F Buckley.
Read Charles Murray "Facing Reality".
Culture and choices in life deliver outcomes. This guy and Thomas Sowell are able to articulate it well.
Intervening in the demographics of board rooms is stupid but housing the homeless is not.
The great Thomas SOWELL.
Putting big government (including legacy media) and oligarchies in check, healing trauma, raising healthy families and educating mindful citizens seem to be what we should all strive for.
Yeah but who watches the watchers? That's been our biggest problem
Left and Right have different ideas of what is "big government".
Mostly is big government something that resticts the rights and freedoms of citizens, or is big government something that restricts the rights and freedoms of large corporations?
@@5353Jumper It should be something that restricts its own power to do either.
@shr00mhead sure. But also prevent citizens from harming each other, and prevent corporations from harming citizens. And then the rest should be all about providing infrastructure for the prosperity of the citizens.
@@5353Jumper No. Thats all the responsibility of the citizens.
Most people do not exist on an extreme and do not want to exist on an extreme.
Those of us who lie somewhere in the middle, slightly left/slightly right are the only ones who can fix this.
Those who lie on either extreme are nothing more than a distraction (and becoming a real threat) that is preventing the rest of us from focusing of what really matters.
They do not represent the majority, and yet the rest of us have allowed them to steamroll over us and take control of every aspect of our lives.
It is time to put our trivial differences to the side; focus on what we all have in common; come together as a United front; and say NO to the extremism.
Until we do, this will only continue to get worse; and the longer we put off addressing this, the less likely we are to overcome it and the greater the price we will all have to pay.
Agreed! I think Murray has really good points here, but I don't like the fact that he also legitimizes the left-right dichotomy and places himself strongly within one of those two boxes. There's a lot of extreme polarization along these lines, and I don't know what the solution is. I think a lot of it has to do with the 2 party system in the USA where each party pits their voters against the other party's voters. The media also seems to follow the same type of political split. I've noticed that in countries that have multiple political parties and a representational voting system, things are better, as it allows for a wider spectrum of political views.
I consider myself a liberal, of European variety, which means I believe that people should have freedom of thought and of expression, as well as the freedom to live their lives in ways that are meaningful to them, of course as long as they don't harm others. On the political side, a liberal can have a variety of views, ranging from what Americans might consider right-wing to downright socialist.
I also believe that our societies, which includes our political leaders, should be more open to running more experiments in living, in economics, in work-life balance etc. Too many people seem to think there is and should be a one size fits all solution to society, when we can see that this is rarely the case given the diverse range of human interests and attitudes. And moreover, too many people propose some sort of solution to a societal problem then just want to directly apply it to the society, and just condemn any critics as heretics/racists/bigots.
@@El3ctr0Lun4 well said!! 😊
One note on 'tolerance': both tolerance *AND* intolerance are helpful, neutral, *AND* harmful, depending on the specific circumstance of each and every unique situation. Should we tolerate someone making basic mistakes as they learn? Of course we should! Should we tolerate someone making basic mistakes if they declare that they are an expert and lives are on the line? Of course we shouldn't! (I also can't help but notice that those who most loudly call for tolerance from their foes are also almost always the most INtolerant people in the room.)
If you're at least a millenial, then you should remember gays and minorities calling for "tolerance" about 20 years ago. This is what people mean by "tolerance" in politics. Tolerating people's differences. Not what they do. But today that "tolerance" was replaced with mandatory "acceptance". You're not allowed to dislike anyone for what they are, even if you're heavily tolerant and would never act on your personal distaste. That's why "tolerance" went out of favor. Because now people want to go into your head and tell you what you have to think, instead of expecting you to just restrain yourself and not discriminate anyone even if you dislike them. Personal dislikes and distastes cannot be tolerated.
What a pedantic and silly way to say that it depends on what the tolerance refers to that matters.
The problem is that these days, it's all about box ticking. The right person for the job should be the best, most capable, most experienced/qualified. But what we are seeing is that there has to be a given percentage of female/ethnic/trans, etc, for it to be "fair." Even if these groups dont want to be in that role or are not suited to the role or are incapable of performing it. I used to recruit for an aerospace engineering company, and our annual apprenticeship scheme was open to everyone regardless of race, sex, etc. In 10 years, we had 1 non white person apply (who we set on due to his aptitude for the job). And 1 female (who didn't even turn up for the 1st interview). Consequently, if an outsider looked at us, they would criticise us for our lack of diversity. Should we drag female and non white people off the streets and force them to apply for the sake of ticking boxes?
There is a great deal of historical evidence you've neglected to mention. Those classified as "Black" have only had access to basic human rights for 58 years now. In addition to that fact, many of the policies enacted to combat these disparities have benefited White women more than any other demographic in American history. When you groom a society to adhere to a social construct, changing that ingrained mindset is nearly impossible (that also applies the other side of the spectrum as well).
@@TheEmpiricistNetwork You think that black people only had access to basic human rights for 58 years now? I'm going to assume that you mean in the US, even though the person you're responding to never said where they lived at any time. Please tell which basic human rights black people didn't have in the North.
@@RetroDawn It’s verified by many government agencies that black Americans have only had access to basic human rights for roughly 60 years. As far as the north goes, it was no different from the south regarding segregation and legal discrimination. There’s also a long list of massacres and injustices that occurred in the “north”…
@@TheEmpiricistNetwork You're completely out of touch with history and what has been verified by gov't agencies. You might want to read up on the differences between the north and the south. And there aren't even a long list of massacres of black in the south, let alone the north.
@@RetroDawn Name one thing I’ve stated that isn’t supported by historical evidence…
LOVE Douglas Murray!!! A national treasure.
which nation ...ireland or scotland ...celtic either way .... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_(surname)
correction....."international treasure". The bloke is a gift to the sane side of humanity :)
@@fieldagentryan second name does not point out your nationality , just most likely where that name originated from , but then again i doubt i had to explain that to you , but your comment seemed ignorant , so i did anyway
He's a world treasure. His message has, or should have, that kind of reach. We need him, and those like him, to save us from the slide into Orwell's oblivion.
Which nation?
Equity is not about lifting people up
It's about lowering the fence, and putting achievers in a hole.
The more you are perceived to be from some privileged group, the deeper the hole.
Correct analogy would be "Equity is about having strong and tall people spend some of their energy to help the smaller guy so that they can actually pass the fence"
Why not remove the fence? Then you'd have true freedom to where people at all levels, little middling and big as shown can view things from their angle and all enjoy the game from their own perspectives. That's something I've never seen.
@@tonytalks9070 What exactly is "the fence" in your example? What is the thing you want to remove? Barrier to some jobs? I think there are many barriers/fences needed to keep morons out of some fields.
@@tarksurmani6335 no. Government regulations and departments.
If the fence is government regulations, then we need to lower it, not remove it.
The fed should uphold the constitution and it's regulations within that means.
The best option for energy in the WORLD is nuclear, yet regulations prevent new plants from being built faster than 10+ years.
Now, some of these regulations are necessary in order to have safe plants, but many of them are simply there because oil and coal lobbyists don't want nuclear to end their billion dollar industries. Or are they trillions now?
Anyway.
Equality of outcome isn't helping the underdog until they succeed, it's hurting the success until everyone is a failure
How do you mean? Should we not build wheel chair ramps on buildings? I mean it will cost so much money. It will definitely drag the rest of us down. 🤦
@@falloodaboy Wheelchair ramps are equality of opportunity, not outcome.
But to take your example. There's a lot of projects that have to be ADA compliant, which cost the developers millions of dollars, and delay projects. Projects that will never see ADA use. Then having to go through lengthy bureaucratic approvals for something that will cost millions, waste months of time, and never be used. Ultimately hurting everyone, instead of helping the handicapped person. ADA is a pretty large contributor to government project cost and delay.
@@t_c5266 You're right. We should just not add wheel chair ramps because clearly society will come to a halt and the US will become a failure.
If that's the case, then please explain how the slave owners and "white middle class" "earned" the benefits they acquired? Also, explain why the data suggests that the majority of those who become successful already come from affluent families.
@@TheEmpiricistNetwork I think you're confused as to what I'm saying. Becoming successful by pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is not equality of outcome. It's the exact opposite, in fact.
Lowering the standards in subjects like English and math so black kids get an A, yet deserve a C or lower is equality of outcome by hurting the kids who actually deserved it. Yes. Even the black kids who deserved an A yet are now ranked the same as kids who write in ghetto speak.
Murray is one of the greatest thinkers of our time.
His pace and reasoning are very accessible.
Call me daft but anyone from the UK is automatically disqualified from commenting anything American simply because of their own bitterness. Such sore losers.
Not really, but he is smart, articulate and rational.
If you think Murray is one of our greatest thinkers, we are doomed. He really isn't. He "sounds" smart but is anything but. He has is own agenda and works it like a charm. Nothing more.
@@randypanthegoatboy2, I have heard him speak. I don't know crap about you.
Love Douglas! Such clear and real thinking.
I never get tired of listening to Douglas Murray
@@Bropatlibeledsiskelleyleigha hey girl... What's up?... Wanna go listen to some Douglas Murray? ❤️😆
I love the part in the middle of the video, of which Ive argued many a time, is that feminists and the left never complain about equality in all the muck working jobs, its always the big air conditioned comfy jobs. You never hear them demand equality in fields like oil rig worker or sewage treatment plant worker, its always things like we need more female or trans or black CEOs and shit.
Those high level jobs allow them to influence a greater number of people/ employees, now the left doesn't seem so friendly. Politicians are all alike, only the methods differ.
Yeah, on that vein, it makes me wonder how things will play out with the major corporations in which the commoners work in their non-management jobs.
I find that to be an odd argument, because haven’t there been struggles to get women into combat positions in the military? The iconic “Rosie the riveter” who is a symbol of women’s rights? The list goes on. Also lots of history of struggles to open blue-collar work to African Americans. Heck, I’m sure the progressives would be up in arms if they heard a garbage collector was fired for being trans. It’s a weird argument.
This is kind of a well, duh thing!
When you force discrimination at a systemic level, that is evil. Self-discrimination is mostly harmless. We all have preferences even if when taken over time they can lead to bad outcomes. The alternative of forcing an outcome through discrimination is so much worse.
People forget that in a meritocratic system like capitalism personal discrimination ultimately has to fail. You don't want to hire women, blacks, or gays? Well, your competitor will take them if they're actually good and qualified workers and will win over you in the long run. It's a self-correcting system that already promotes equality.
Even if you start with "women and minorities had no access to good education and couldn't become well-qualified" argument, that was getting naturally corrected as well. In 90's and 2000's there were more and more women and minorities enrolling in universities, even before this woke craze of discriminating against straight white males in order to make room for them.
@@med2904 Unfortunately that's mostly untrue. There are special case exceptions but mostly in culture people tend to do what their parents and friends do. So if your community is interested in computers and video games, your kids will tend to do the same thing. I would never argue that enforced discrimination should ever be a law or company policy. Self-discrimination is a thing and does lead to different life outcomes because of these cultural behaviors. If people try to force integration, it will just create a lot of resentment. It doesn't work. Culture has to progress naturally not artificially. Equality doesn't factor into it.
What frustrates me is that choosing people based on their gender race sexuality and whatever else, takes the focus away from getting the job done as best as possible and onto peoples look. Surely choosing someone who is the best for the job is more important that fitting quotas.
While a foolishly managed non-fiduciary grew into the largest mortgage company in Texas, I was able to maintain a one man payment dispute department through a ‘V’ curve. As the waste caught up with, and overtook, the fleeting growth income; as expected, employee turnover heightened, except for the president.
The assistant collection manager came by and asked, I have a meeting at ten with Phil (the latest collection manager) can you be there? Almost before we sat down, he said, I am trying to get a handle on things and nobody can tell me exactly what you do. (the ‘nobody’ next to me avoided my glance and I immediately realized, this was not a meeting, it was a power play.)
I asked, “what did your boss say,?”……”Well, I have not talked to him. I wanted to ask you first”..….“He knows what I do”..…”and exactly (there it is again) what is that”..…”I plug holes; and, more often than should be necessary, put out fires”..…”can you put that in writing?”..…I can; but, if I do, at least one mortgagor will not receive the attention I can give them.” He asked if I was refusing his request and I replied: “No, tell your boss it will be the first thing I do when all the mortgagor’s concerns are addressed.”
As I headed for the door, he said, "without that I can’t finish my evaluation". I turned around in the doorway with: “Sure you can. The best all the people you are relying on (as I pointed directly to his bushwhacking accomplice) can tell you, is what should happened. I can tell you what DID happen. I think I hear my phone ringing." - This largest mortgage servicer soon became the largest bankruptcy in Texas history.
In a world where IQ varies the concept of equity is ridiculous.
Iq is fake
Yes, and I'd add to that the variability of talents and aptitudes too.
@@chesster5981 The methods of measuring it may be imperfect, but you can't dispute the difference of intelligence between people.
@@chesster5981 the most well understood and measurable phycological attribute. It’s real.
@@TmanWdaPlan iq tests are not a good indicator of intelligence , s hawkins and feynman agrees so...
It is always a pleasure to listen to Douglas Murray. He explains everything succinctly and accurately. Equity is nonsense and this will cause massive losses in Companies.
Do not let corporate authoritarians control your thoughts an actions. Do not hate the ideas of others more you love your own ideas. That's how they control you.
@@Inoffensive_name
I do not let _any_ authoritarians control my thoughts and actions. And there are _many_ types of people who want to do your thinking for you.
The fact is that Murray is saying the things many of us are already thinking. He just articulates the ideas more effectively.
@@PvblivsAelivs how did you start to think the way you did? Were they all original thoughts?
@@DaHogWeed How did you learn history, math, biology, geography and other subjects? Were they your original thoughts?
@@Hardcore_Remixer You learn facts in these academic subjects rather than blind opinion.
He is so right. Arguing in circles with leftists is useless. The only real way to move forward is to set better examples and offer better solutions.
Equity is by far the biggest moral scam to ever be concieved, and the fact that we expose such flawed concepts to children with zero nuance is apalling.
It is built upon a hypocratic and flawed view of deserving.
Hippocratic or hypocritical?
In high school, our political science term paper was to define the difference between Democrats and Republicans. The rest of the class turned in binders of text, footnotes and bibliography. I turned in one sheet with two sentences. Republicans say: "Aspire to be anything you want to be; and, if you work hard enough, you will succeed. The Democrats say: "Forget working hard. We will pay someone to do it for you or give you the money to buy it. I got an 'F'. As Paul Harvey would say: "The rest of the story."
After I passed two deadlines for a 'real' paper, Jerry transferred me to study hall, a zero graduation credit. When the class counselor, who happened to be a former teacher of one of my bosses at work, found out this 'teacher' was willing to let any student flunk out their senior year, she made him give me a D, and take me back into class so I could graduate.
On the last day of school, I went in to thank this champion of losers. At the end, I asked how she arrived at the ‘D’. She said it came from a mentor of mine, Carl Albert. Thank you, Theresa Koehler, (Semper Fi) for teaching a crippled boy the most important lesson an educator can convey - When you are right, stand your ground!
@@johncollins7062 Thank you John - a lovely storey. I have 2 kids here in Australia - 11 and 13. A common conversation we have is on being tolerant and open to hearing all sides, becoming informed and then standing our ground on our own convictions, drawn hopefully from a balance of perspectives and according to our values. I might just add that I think you were taught much more than standing your ground, gratitude being one foundational characteristic you exude, clearly! Regards, David
@@deldridg- You have touched on one of the worst aberrations of this era. When anyone dares to stand alone and makes a legitimate observation, the social media "dog pile" bullies them into an awkward, and ineffective, apology. In a hundred years, the cancel culture will be viewed as just another Salem witch trial episode.
I realise that the Hippocratic oath has become synonymous with hypocrisy, however, they are two distinct words. I suspect you meant the latter.
I absolutely adore Douglas hesca breath of fresh air highly intelligent and I could listen to him all day. COMMONSENSE is still showing signs of life like a little flame 🔥
"Malcolm Gladwell gave a superb masterclass in what it is to strawman an opponent's argument." Savage.
I really rated Malcolm Gladwell as an author, and was keen to see him in a live debate - what a disappointment he was. A clear demonstration that IQ does not equal common sense.
Jesus would someone just put this man in charge of the west soon.
jesus is busy in the ukraine removing the baggage for something like that to occur ... i think its called nato
Dont take the Lords name in vain and Our Lord would never put this reprobate in charge.
God is already in full control
@@vinnyv949 Well it's a good thing your Lord doesn't exist and that Douglas Murray can keep spreading his wisdom.
@@mattturner5429 this is why atheists can’t be true conservatives. They promote evil ideology just like the left. You know it used to be looked down upon to be a heathen and now individuals like you actually take pride in it. It’s literally impossible for God not to exist. Never mind it’s beneath human dignity and reason to think humans randomly evolved from pond scum. I hope you and Douglas repent and change your ways before it’s too late. You have your entire life but I strongly urge that you don’t wait as the only thing keeping you from the fires of Gehenna for all eternity is God willing your heart to beat another second. I’m here if you need help in converting. Otherwise good luck.
When Douglas Murray is talking, I listen
Right on 👊💕 provide answers of our own. I say this often, “You don’t play the tantrum-throwing- toddler’s game.”
How about we all agree it would be nice to live in a world where as many people as possible were able to reach as close to their fullest potential as possible? Why do we obsessively continue to look at individual achievements through a comparative lens, always comparing ourselves to other’s Facebook page photos?
Ah, the downside of being a social animal...
I agree with this 3000%! I've been saying that what we need is an emphasize on everyone being the best that they can be, rather than being equal. I don't care if Oprah or Musk has more money or fame or whatever. That's irrelevant.
There’s only so much to reach though. Like those high status carrees, only a handful of people can actually have one
@@TheJeremyKentBGross The problem is envy. At some point people will reach a place where they'd rather fight than live in bad conditions (fair or unfair). Technology has only made this worse, as wealth is being concentrated in fewer people, and social media broadcasts it for all to see.
There's a price to peace between the "haves" and "have nots," and it's an eternal struggle on where we draw this line. Though today's problem with "fairness" is more of an issue with education / indoctrination (warping everyone's world views) than anything else.
This is making the woeful assumption that the average human is striving for some lofty aspirational paradigm rather than being somewhat cognitively advanced chimpanzees looking for a consistently favorable caloric-expenditure-to-benefit ratio.
GOD I love Douglas Murray since I discovered him almost 6 years ago. He has educated me in many ways. Yes with discussion and how to debate (I admit I'm still struggling to keep my shit together when someone won't open their ears lol) but I have learnt soo many words which I didn't understand before. So before I carried on listening I looked them up so I could understand the full context of any said discussion. It's VERY empowering to feel you have learnt something inadvertently as well as consciously.
I'm 46 now and never really gave a damn about social issues, politics or government policy in my 20s which I regret.
Douglas never fails to impress.
Fantastic talk and so correct about where we are now.
Can’t remember the last time I heard someone on the left speak like this. Composed, calm, decent and honourable
But Douglas Murray is conservative, no?
@@non-blogger yes, and the person is saying people on the left don't talk in the manner he does
Then U live a very shelterd life
Douglas Murray is a British Conservative thinker . When I was young we used to say that Cream rises to the top . Know its more pertinent to say , that Sh*t floats.
@@thoughtfulcreature8479 So give an example………
I love the thumbnail photo used to intro this video. It expresses the thought that elevating everyone to the same position gives them the same view. We all have different talents and abilities. Putting me on a box so I can see a game doesn't mean I'm going to gain more from a game I don't understand or never played. Some things only come from learning and experience. That 'gradual' growth, as spoken of in this video, is valuable and will make those who take that path stronger, not weaker or hindered.
Wish I could like this more than once. The additional step that one must comprehend the view one now has fits in myriad ways, and that the pearls will be lost before swine escapes the pure environmental “nurture” thinkers.
quotas force less qualified people into positions where another person would do a better job if the quota wouldn't exist ..
creating lower efficiency over all and resentment amongst those who see a person in a privileged position which is in this place because of quotas
When you think about the medical profession that is terrifying.
Yes. As engaging as Douglas Murray's speech was, this three-line comment explains the problem far better than he did. I wonder why he didn't say what you just said.
The issue with the vision of equity that they are proposing is very simple. We are not talking about random boxes on the street to watch a game without paying. We are talking about people's property, and their vision of equity is to use violence to take away people's property, so they can manage it and re-distribute arbitrarily.
This effectively places all property at the hands of the politicians, which have no incentives to manage well. Since now, private property is not a reward for hard work, instead of focusing on building, creating and thriving, the focus now becomes pleasing the politician.
The end result is a total economic failure and impoverishment of the region. The reason the right focuses on not doing that is because of the cataclysmic nature of it. The specifics of what we should do instead is basically irrelevant and it is best left for the individual to figure out. The problem of "Oh that is complacent and would take too long" is just absurd because it assumes that diversity is the goal, instead of the natural end result of a fair society, and assumes that taking away people's property by force is a valid method to achieve this goal.
If instead the goal would be a fair society, the time component is completely removed, we just need to focus on protecting peaceful people from unjustified aggression, which is what the right is constantly talking about doing.
Exactly. They talk of redistribution, as if wealth and income were distributed in the first place.
They were not
Elected officials have more of an incentive to efficiently use resources for the betterment of society than billionaires. It’s also much harder to hold them accountable for wrongdoing.
Oh, like DeSantis taking over Disney?
Humanity has a long history of seizing one's ill gotten gains from unjust activity. We're a little more civilized today and use lawsuits. But if one group has disproportionately benefitted from bad behavior, it's entirely precedented to redress this, using force as required.
As to "what the right is constantly talking about doing," has the nice implication of "I got mine, we can start being equal now."
@Jean Lamb can you explain this to me? If true, why would he sue himself?
The struggle between Left and Right is always the Right giving compromise and the Left giving nothing. Because of that, we continually move Leftward. And the Left criticizes the Right for intolerance. It's beyond time for the Right to grow a spine.
Based
Conservatives by definition are wedded to the past. So it’s not surprising that most societies tend to move leftward. It’s also not surprising that conservatives tend to be old.
This man's an absolute legend.
There’s another term for “equity” - it’s called ‘cheating’.
I have another one for you - 'communism'
@@LordHerek there was no equity in communism.
I guess the words "elitism" and "nepotism" are more palatable to you?
@@poppers7317 but wasn't that the promise?
@@c172215s but not the reality. I don't think it's even possible.
Douglas your views is reflection to the pure truth and helps to better our understanding to ourselves and our fellow human beings without lies. Douglas is amazing for his passion for the truth. Love you Douglas ❤
I’ve met like 3 women electricians in my career as an electrician. They’re all cool and pull their weight, because if they didn’t they would have weeded themselves out like the weak men do.
But clearly they can't possibly be as qualified as a white guy! Right?
Weak men? What are you talking about??
Douglas has always been the best thinker and debater,
A... Master... debater?
Rightly so, it's about time we decided to provide answers and ideas instead of complaining about the Left and "dismantling" their arguments. We need solutions and actionable plans.
The solution was implemented a long time ago, it is against the law for a company to discriminate at all. But this wasn't good enough and now lefties want more discrimination not less.
I have an answer for almost everything. Which is your most important.
Right, so where are these lovely conservative plans now? Get the impression that wanting to dismantle leftist arguments and finger pointing is still the best they can do so far.
@@quentinstyger747 Do what the Left did and capture the institutions by training your children to do to so. The Left strategically used their university lecturers to publish bogus papers that favoured their ideology, they also trained the next generations of teachers to indoctrinate children into their ideology from a young age. So the solution? We essentially need to do the same, only the difference is that we do it based on logic, facts, and love.
The weapon of the Left is using peoples emotions against them, which is why they prey on disgruntled young adults, who hate their parents (usually due to neglectful parenting), or children who don't know better, to do their fighting for them under the guise of helping them through the lense of victimhood. Our own children can be used to recapture the institutions that we lost by paying special attention to what they are learning, taking an active role in their learning and social lives, and by being good parents, can persuade them against the siren song of victimhood that the left sings. That is the gift of having children; they are your legacy. With your hard work into raising them, they can work hard to rebuild the society and culture that was destroyed by the Left.
The other solutions are to form pockets of influence, usually other parents, and form communities that are tight knit. It's going to be hard, and take a long time, however it would be worth it in the end. It's easy to put your head down and ignore the world, focussing only on yourself and your family, but it takes courage to drift away from that and encourage community.
Build a bigger fence, stop the freeloaders and get them to pay to watch the game instead.
I so want you to be our next Prime Minister, Mr Murray!
As a moderate and rational Democrat I really appreciate the use of humor to point out the absurdity of the far Left.
Imagine a world where you advertise for a position but you can’t hire the best person most qualified person for the job because they are male, white, straight. Imagine having to are pressured to hire someone who will make you business worse because you have to meet a quota. What a shit world. Oh wait that happened to me. We do live in that world.
Yes, diversity quotas and such are only a band-aid solution to the root problem of certain groups being disadvantaged. In an ideal world, I believe those who fall behind should be given additional support until they're able to perform at a sufficient level - that's what true equality is, in my opinion.
@@Rikri If you want to volunteer to provide that additional support and encourage others to do likewise, good on you; if you want to steal money from other people to pay for it, you're evil.
@@timsmith2525 Are you implying that people providing such support shouldn't be paid because there aren't any short-term benefits?
@@Rikri Not at all. I'm saying that stealing money from people to pay for your idea is evil. If you can convince people to voluntarily contribute toward that goal, than that's great.
@@timsmith2525 That's kind of hard to do in today's society with how self-interested people tend to be. Most people wouldn't voluntarily contribute their money to most kinds of infrastructure if they knew their contributions were unlikely to accomplish much on their own.
I'm not an economist, but my understanding is that when you create new opportunities for people to provide value to society, they don't necessarily have to harm other opportunities in the process. Generally, when someone receives funding to take up such a responsibility, the main thing it costs society are other obligations that given person might be able to fulfill instead. Given that definition of "resource", I don't think enough of our resources are being put into actually supporting those who need it.
EXCEPTIONAL. Thank you again, Douglas Murray.
As always a pleasure listening to Douglas speak. Though I think it should be pointed out that "steel-maning" your own position or what you are in favor of, i.e. meritocracy, isn't really in the spirit of the concept. Normally "steel-maning" refers to putting forth the best version of your opposition's argument, not your own.
I do wish people would stop assuming the gender of straw persons.
Yeah noticed that too. Think he misspoke
@@Basicx951 Yeah, I'm not really faulting him for it. Just clarifying for those that might not know.
I would be happy to be half as well-spoken as Murray.
I’m beginning to think Douglass is the brightest of all thinkers on the “right” today. Every time I listen to him I’m amazed at the clarity of his thinking.
I agree. Douglas Murray is, at the very least one of the brightest thinkers of the Right and I would go a step further and call him one of the greatest political thinkers alive today
I certainly appreciate his moderation
He’s a gay lefty independent who cut his teeth as Hitchens was on the way out. He’s a master class of tact and honesty.
@@all_your_baser_belong_to_us Douglas Murray isn’t on the Left. He’s on the Right and he actually calls himself a Neoconservative
I don't think he said anything profound here but it was hard for me to listen and focus on his words. The audio was so quiet and he was speaking with so little energy oddly.
How refreshing to hear rational practical logic instead of extremist rhetoric 👏
I am a heterosexual Man who has worked in the building industry for almost forty years, I am what some would call a "Toxic Male". Douglas Murray is a.... Well, he's a Homosexual, condescending and at times arrogant Man. This Man talks so much sense! I have enjoyed two of his books so far and like his view on life! According to modern leftist mindset, he should hate me as much as I should hate him! Not so! Thank you Douglas for being a light of common sense and reality in this mad, mad World!
be very wary about people who describe another group as "toxic".
greetings from Germany, where we have a nasty history with that (yet this toxic masc. narrative still has caught on here, unfortunately)
If someone calls you toxic ask them how many houses they built
@@hpholland In my humble mind, I think we build Homes! I see people go to work, Children go to school, Dad's mow lawns and Mom's create homes! We work in all weathers, we battle against cold, we work when we are drenched through to the skin, we work when the heat is far too much to bear! But... Behind us is a community of people who have settled into their homes! Yes, some of them hate us because we make a lot of dust and noise! But when we finally move on, we leave a community!
You're not toxic because you're a heterosexual male. Toxic is a series of behaviors. Do you exhibit those behaviors? If no, then you're not a toxic male. There's no need to play identity politics.
@@tgm2474 Does informing someone that they are talking tripe class as toxic behaviour?
We seem to have forgotten our aspirations for the 21st century. I was eight-years-old when Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon. I remember growing up with a strong sense that we were rapidly moving towards a better, technologically-enhanced life for all. Programmes like 'Tomorrow's World' showed us, every week, the scientific wonders around the corner.
What we didn't count upon was the rise of the lunatic left in Western society. Robotics and AI development should have been an area of science that would exponentially boost our knowledge and make the world better for all. From its early days it was subject to Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics (which basically precluded any possibility of AI/Robotics harming mankind). We now find that the left have abandoned those principles and see it as a tool with which to control and censor public opinion - which makes it very dangerous. I'm not "far-right", I'm simply dismayed that the potential gains for mankind are being dragged into the mire by twisted people with stunted minds and the meanest aspirations.
They also know very well that "renewables" technology is basically very expensive garbage. The "net zero" policies are like going back to the the Little Ice Age and short-sighted government telling all scientists to focus on making better candles, instead of ultimately developing electricity for heating and lighting, thus making all our lives better. But, of course, "renewables" make a lot of people rich.
@Mac Cleba Yes. The problems are two fold, one is the people complaining now about what is being done with societal shifts, were often the children of ones that did nothing to assist the ones that missed out, and actively did everything they could to keep that going.
The far greater problem, is the small numbers at the very top took advantage of both societal shifts, and manipulated the ones in power at that time, to grab more than they need, and vast numbers of people missed out. The vast numbers that are causing chaos now are the grandchildren of that generation.
And now you have the first black astronaut going to circle the moon reading "Whitey on the Moon" aloud. I guess that man forgot about his sister and that rat.
@Mac Cleba I totally agree on human selfishness. Your are also right on financial liberation.
Not for material liberation, as the West sees these things, but because where I come from, everything we need to survive needs financial access to do so at all levels today.
As Maori, that requires money for all of my cultural and survival needs. I want food, I have to pay money for petrol, and the food itself.
I want to interact with my own culture, I need to pay for more petrol to do so. Right now, that is expensive, and will only get more costly.
Countries like Iceland save millions using renewables, I don’t think you realise how large the fossile fuel industry is compared to renewables. If you wanted to make money you’d go with fossil fuels not renewable
The people halting technological advancement are capitalists. Planned obsolescence in the aim of profit means products are well below the standard they could be. The reason we haven’t automated so much of our workforce is because then people would have free time and that would be the evil of communism
The overlooked point is "How do you define merit?" Your merit is your worth. Who defines what aspect of a person is worth more than another aspect?
We default that to earning power. You are worth more if you can earn more.
But to a person with a parent with dementia, the excellent carer for you relative has the most merit.
We can't base "merit" on anything else than your earning power because any other definition will immediately become subjective. As you've noticed, a good carer might be the most important for a customer who needs someone to care for their mother. But how many such carers are needed vs. how easy it is to become one? It's a relatively easy job that requires only the right personality and some basic medical knowledge. So probably about 10-20% of people could do it. While being a doctor or an engineer is a lot more demanding and less than 1% of people can do it. So this is where the higher merit comes from. You have to look at what the entire society needs and not what you or any other specific person needs the most at the moment.
More conversions need to be had around bad faith arguments. thank you so much for speaking facts reasonably
Great to see young European woman who doen't follow the herd.
"It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones." - Calvin Coolidge
How could ANYONE with a functioning mind find fault with what this man said?
That's exactly the problem, most people don't have a functioning mind, most need someone to tell them what to do, and the person who tells them what to do has an evel less functioning mind, but is incredibly charismatic.
Common sense ain’t all that common these days....
@@silverfoxeater I agree with your sentiment, however I would say that, even playing devil's advocate, the 'left's' demonstrations of why equity is necessary (those that I have read and seen), are deeply flawed. Typically the argument goes, 'Equal opportunity doesn't work because certain subsets of people start on different rungs of the ladder, and therefore have much higher to climb.' The problem with this allegory is the concept of a single ladder. There is no 'single ladder' to achieve a goal. Every individual 'starts' on different rungs of an infinite amount of ladders.
Intelligence, wealth, strength, familial heritage, location, race, gender, eye colour, allergies - any one of a million different factors can and do play into how likely you are to achieve success (with 'success' again governed by a million different factors) - and thus it is impossible to quantify. And anyone who claims that they can, and wants to install their version of a solution, WILL wreak disaster on society.
In effect, equity has the exact same flaws that the communist states of the 20th century had - the Problem of Knowledge.
He seems to have a lot of support from Joe Rogan and GB News viewers. Simpletons.
@silverfoxeater "everything political is completely subjective." This is false. Political thought deals with real-world effects, and truth (as well as opinion I agree), and historical analysis can show that some political thought and subsequent action caused enormous suffering, or perhaps less suffering and even good. This is measurable, an quantifiable, else how could anything actually get done? Therefore the results of policy, and the enactment of social science (it is a science) can be measured. Although much of political effort and resulting ideas are subjective in their reach - appealing or not appealing to the electorate, the actual business of politics, which includes what happens during government or out of government, can be measured. Although this can be denied, it is still no less measurable to professors of social science and political science.
Excellent. IQ, motivation and talent are not equally distributed.
Spot on! 💯
It is very sobering to look backwards at the peak of one’s society and wonder if the decline ahead will be a gradual one or a very steep slope. I fear the latter.
It looks steep because you see & hear it being talked about. Walk away from those sources & just interact with people and it maybe on their minds, but they gotta eat first.
@@stvargas69 Close, I would say make the most of life we have now, and spend it doing good for others. Spend what we have left wisely!
Brilliant man. Always calm, reasonable, and razor sharp
Douglas Murray = brilliant 👏
I think the biggest problem with equality is just that in a lot of cases it's a nonsense concept. It's all very well to say all else being equal nobody should be discriminated against for their gender / race / other characteristic, but frequently all else is not equal and what people are actually asking for is special treatment. If you look at say the issue of women's rights for instance you can have equality when it comes to voting as gender is irrelevant in that area of life, but when it comes to say careers equality becomes impossible to achieve because like it or not there are fundamental differences between men and women. To claim gender should be irrelevant to career progression and job prospects is ridiculous when you consider that one gender is considerably more likely to suddenly announce that they'd like a year off to have a baby and they'd also like you to pay them for it. I lean left and support maternity leave as a concept, but even i wouldn't blame companies for not being so keen to promote women to high ranking positions when it's inherently so much more risky investing your resources training women than it is men. Some would say it's discrimination to assume a female employee will definitely have kids and cause an inconvenience to your company, but i would argue it's a situation that occurs so frequently and has such considerable effects on businesses that someone's gender is absolutely relevant to whether you should hire them or not. I'm highly in favour of businesses making adjustments to allow people to have careers as well as families, but find those screaming from the rooftops that they should be able to have better work life balance and put in less hours than their peers but still rise through the ranks just as quickly to be incredibly entitled.
Equality of opportunity. I think that is your point. Not equality of outcome. (equity)
Yes, it is a demand for special treatment. In my life, I have often endeavoured to receive such treatment. I have argued, debated, I have revealed my special knowledge and intentions in order to achieve it and clearly stated why I believe I deserve it. I was by no means self-critical when I thought I was picking the sultanas out of the cake and I didn't always get them, because someone else was faster or better at it than I was. That's life. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
As far as this twisting of the exception to become the rule is concerned, it should be rejected in principle. Anyone who does not intend to do anything to receive special treatment is not entitled to it in principle. You only ever have a chance in principle, but not a right in principle. To confuse the two is stupidity or laziness of the mind. But if you turn it around and the consequence of this is that those who gain a position by right but not by ability cannot even say with a clear conscience that they were wrong, because then they would have to accept the consequences. Which they do not do if no authority guides them ( which is always their own authority). We have put honour and faith on the film screen, where it jumps in our faces and we still believe that they only exist there.
If you'll look closely at the little illustration you easily see the flaw in "equity". Someone else's "boxes" are taken to raise another up. They should get their own "box".
Put equal in, get equal out! If you can't put equal in, then do your best to put what you can in.
Put nothing at all in, get nothing out.
Equality of opportunity has resulted in less equal outcomes, so less equity, not more, in the Scandinavian countries. This reflects the freedom of individual choices, which is preferred to the tyranny of quotas, surely.
So why is the male nurse earning more than the female nurse? The reason often is that the male has specialised in the operation of technical medical equipment, so is remunerated accordingly, etc.
This guy is awesome, telling it as it is.
Marvellous speech. Thank you.
Haven’t seen this guy until recently but what a beautiful brain he has
Douglas Murray is an outstanding speaker.
I do not consider myself in any box - left or right - and abhor the need for labels. But this was real food for thought. Thanks.
Being in a softer society, it's hard to provide answers of our own if we aren't willing to be criticized and shamed for just having those ideas. The censorship of the left will help destroy our society as we know it, as well as gender dysphoria of course.
I those things seem unrelated but gender dysphoria is a b*tch lol
The gender dysphoria folks will go away "Darwin Award" style...
That’s why it’s problematic. Equity to many is making sure in every position there is someone in that position based on skin color regardless of their merits or skills.
Murray is just Fantastic .❤
To be clear nothing described in this video is the “left’s” definition of “equality”, or “diversity”. But in fact the liberal/centrist, aka capitalist view of equality and diversity. Doing the bare minimum to fit quotas, to not disrupt the status quote
Murray for PrimeMinister
More like Murray for Britain's Got Talent. Screw Your Head On.
@@utv5490 oh, well that’s convinced me. I’m now converting to communism because of you’re tour-de-force of a post.
@@MrDanielvass What has communism got to do with anything? You need to get some therapy along with the other Trump, Rogan and Farage fans. Good luck.
What was explained by Douglas, reminds me of feminism. When confronted, Feminist want the High status jobs but refuse to do the hardworking jobs!!!! Feminist have double standards! The problem with their version of equity, is that quota's diminish the talent pool of any organization. If they hire a woman or minority due to requirements to meet quotas, that means they can be a minority but completely wrong person for the job. This propagates further, when the actual person who should have had the job on merit and experience, will leave the company to find another job. Thereby hurting the organization further!!!
This has got to STOP!!!!!! I just how we can fix it before it gets really ugly!!!
The illustration is about watching sports not about participating, in fact participating in sports is the best example of meritocracy vs equity
Not if you played baseball before April 15, 1947. And don't be naïve to think sports is a meritocracy today. It was only 10 years ago that the "black quarterback" ceased to be an anomaly.
@@tgm2474 I’m Dutch. But in the US people are placed in teams nowadays because they have a certain skin color or are Asian or are disabled etc. you say? Or are they the best in what they do in order to win?
@@stefke5862 Wait, you mean everyone is not an American?! 😄I'm simply pointing out that sports is not as meritocratic as one might think.
This reminds me of when my kids were young. What is "fair"? What was fair for one might not be fair for the other. Time factors into this as well. The needs/wants of each kid factors into it. So what was fair (money, time, etc) in 2000 isn't the same as what is fair in 2015, 2023. My kids got it.
Exactly! Grow up and do your best.
I’ve heard the argument about bricklayers and such many times. Bricklayers do not make decisions that affect many others, it is not a position of power and such the battles of equality are focused elsewhere, the positions that will affect the larger populous.
I remember learning this image (the one in the thumbnail) and it’s message in elementary school, and having the teacher tell us about equity. Thanks for your perspective, I wish school wasn’t so political and biased
I’ve seen that picture a lot. Those three are thieves.
Unfortunately Marxist teachers have infiltrated schools and Universities.
@@nathanielkidd2840 right. not to mention the kids pictured in the cartoon will grow up & get taller. that's nature. no boxes needed. nonsensical cartoon for explaining politics
I left the U.K. in 2015 when I realised that the corporate world was no longer a meritocracy.
I now run a consulting and a publishing business in central Europe. That is all.
Hope everything goes well for you.
Lmao it was always plagued with nepotism and elitism. You don't like it now that it's slightly less in your favour?
The corporate world was never a meritocracy. White guys with good golf scores still get ahead faster. I guess some white guys get bent out of shape when those Inferior Other People actually get promotions.
@@johnlondon5516 And plaguing it with an entirely different but just as bad problem is somehow better?
@@thunderbug8640 I didn't say that, did I?
“The opposition of two stupidities does not mean the truth is somewhere in the middle.”
-John Lucaks
The problem with the kids and the crates analogy is that the crates were a resource that were already there (it is presumed). This is not analogous to the resources in a society, because people have to spend their own time, effort and money to produce them. The correct analogy would me more like the short guy demanding the tall one to buy the wood and then build a crate for him, and then enforce this using an authority that compels him to do it threatening him with jail if he doesnt.
I like the analogy where the tall guy's legs have been sawed off by the state.
That is what it's like. Furthermore, there is no reason, by dint of hard work and application, why the little guy shouldn't build his own crate. He just hasn't. And of course, if the materials are not close at hand, actually we would insist that the tall guy kneel down *as the crate*, and the little guys stand on him, and he doesn't get to see the game at all. He must do this because of his "privilege" while all those who are doing the insisting are inside the ground, in the Executive Suite, for nothing, because of their "humanity".
Yeah, my english is ban I cant explain my thought about the picture in thumbnail... I see nothing wrong with the pic and its not reallly relevant with the issue they are talking about.
Thank you Douglas.
I have a great deal of respect for you, sir. Listening to this same discussion, a year later, and it causes me to really stop and think about things "as they are" and make the decision to strive for better❤
There's no equity in business. You can either succeed or not, if you have enough brains, imagination, drive and talent.
Such a brilliant mind.
Acedia (/əˈsiːdiə/; also accidie or accedie /ˈæksɪdi/, from Latin acēdia, and this from Greek ἀκηδία, "negligence", ἀ- "lack of" -κηδία "care") has been variously defined as a state of listlessness or torpor, of not caring or not being concerned with one's position or condition in the world. In ancient Greece akidía literally meant an inert state without pain or care.[1] Early Christian monks used the term to define a spiritual state of listlessness and from there the term developed a markedly Christian moral tone.[2] In modern times it has been taken up by literary figures and connected to depression.
One point I don't think I've seen made (Jordan Peterson possibly made this point but I don't recall), is that in order to have an equal representation of all people across any possible characteristic in any possible industry is to allocate everything uniformly randomly. You need 1000 architects? Okay just select them at random from the population, we need 1000 so don't let things like qualifications get in the way. 50,000 bricklayers? Selected at random. Airline pilots? Board members? Doctors? Surgeons? Random. It's the ONLY way to guarantee a representative sample of characteristics given any possible selection criteria. When people call for "equity" what they really want are the vast complex systems we rely on to function in a modern society to be reduced to "eeny-meeny-miney-mo" in order to allocate resources and select people for jobs and positions.
And yet it's amazing how white guys are automatically better than everyone else...
I've seen nobody who wants equity calling for eeny-meeny-miney-mo sorts of allocations. Can you cite someone notable who has done so? What are your sources on this? I suspect you've been the victim of propaganda on this one.
@@tgm2474 Of course they aren't explicitly calling for eeny-meeny-miney-mo allocation, they haven't thought that far ahead. Someone notable? Cathy Newman:
""You've got only seven women running the top FTSE 100 companies" - should that be 50%?
2018 California law (before it was removed)?
"The law required publicly held companies headquartered in California to have one member who identifies as a woman on their boards of directors by the end of 2019. By January 2022, boards with five directors were required to have two women and boards with six or more members were required to have three women."
In England, some NHS goals are to close certain gaps by proportion of race in the country. If you take any characteristic (race, sex, gender identity) and say it has to be representative of the population, you want random allocation.
Quoting Jordan Peterson under a Dug Murray clip. Let's have a Joe Rogan or Trump quote next 😂😂😂😂
We must glorify weakness and madness !
Douglas Murray always explains and debates well. It’s a masterclass of well thought through sentences.
My tolerance for tolerance is finally INTOLERABLE! I started my slow slide back into the light of rectitude when I realized Obama made Race hustling his Number one priority.
He's brilliant. Proves the idioacy of the Left