You gotta love how the game opens with Imogen going "I invented these new hyperspace cores to free us from outdated mysticism" and then the plot hinges on the mother of all Hail Mary passes, where Karan bets basically all life in the universe on "that five year old I knew once growing up to be a mothership-pilot, being selected as the captain to go after me, AND still remembers the that F***ING LULLABY I used to sing to her"; she might as well have said "Sajuuk's divine providence will see us through." I don't know, but this story feels like a product of that anti-Chosen One Trope-trend that seemed to be a thing since at least Last Jedi came out. Then again, I could be totally wrong; the game had at least 14 credited writers, so who knows what was going into this story.
Dialing it back to the first thing you said, Imogen just magicking up hyperspace cores out of nothing completely undermines the entire setting of this universe. Just her inventing those in the prologue was enough to turn me on this game. I never even finished the campaign, and I was looking forward to this game for ages.
So something that sucks even harder, is that this story sets you all the way back to the start of Homeworld 1. Your people are stranded far away from their Homeworld, they need to make it there through unfamiliar territory, and the massive network of gates that provided you with FTL at the end of Homeworld 2 are gone so it's going to be a long process full of trials and tribulations... Isn't it great when sequels just undo what the previous entries did?
At the end, they forget only the Progenitor Cores were lost. Khar Kushan should still have its synthetic ones intact. And if for some reason they were damaged as well, they have Imogen Sue'jet with them. She did design the synthetic cores in the first place, and there's plenty of Progenitor derelicts around, to dismantle for resources. What's the problem at the end again?
@@riesstiu2khunning You completely misread what I said. I stated they didn't have the GATES that Homeworld 2 gave you, and that's why you're stranded. It's not impossible to get back, it would just require you to find your way, in the exact same manner as Homeworld 1. That's why I brought that up.
@@lich109 I was addressing the apparent confusion of the writers. In the ending, we aren't told they must now return using Long Jumps (stretching a Gate-passing instant to no more than a couple of months). We're told the Cores are gone, and they're all stranded for good. Yes, Imogen Sue'jet should be able to recreate the Cores, and that'll allow them to return. It's going to be a voyage through intergalactic void, though. Nothing fancy like HW1, until they reach the Outer Rim. Yet the game still doesn't state this option -- instead, the fleet is clearly shown to have none. They've ended it on a non-issue, by apparently forgetting what they've set up. Edit: On a side note, you don't need Progenitor Gates for FTL travel. Hyperspace Cores provide that on their own, and the story they wrote has shown Hiigarans can already produce those on their own. Still, they made only 3, put them in a single basket, and launched it into the unknown threat space, along with the only person capable of producing more. The story is dog-shit crazy.
@@riesstiu2khunning I think you're talking past me with most of your point, so I'll just address the portions relevant to what I've said. I never said that they couldn't use FTL, just that the gateways people were using for their FTL were gone. Furthermore it's not a non-issue to be stranded like that, because the journey home isn't going to be a one-and-done jump, since the gateways are gone. The writers made it clear the gates would be gone during/after the final confrontation with the Queen, since that's how you deal with her, by closing them (which somehow takes her out). They've made it clear you can't just retrace your steps to get back, meaning the space between there and the Homeworld can have any number of obstacles/factions in the way. Just because you don't know that area of space doesn't mean it's uninhabited, and I'm assuming they were originally planning to do extra story content in terms of DLC's to make it back. I do not recall Imogen being the only person capable of producing more cores. She is the one who invented them, but as far as I'm aware she wouldn't be necessary to create more, it's not like she keeps the blueprint exclusively in her own head, and I'm going to assume Hiigara has the capability to keep creating more based on her designs.
It feels like the main character's story was someone's self insert and they just hijacked Homeworld to tell all about their super special OC. And because it was mentioned, the new Dragon Age feels that way about a few characters too, among the litany of problems that game has (as a huge fan of the previous Dragon Age games, it hurts); thank you for the condolences lol
The villain is just the worse thing ever. "I am insecure and lonely so i try to commit genocide, please feel bad for me". And the good guys are also led by an insecure Mary Sue. Also fun tidbit, a part of why the writing team is so big is because it was changed and the original story scrapped in favor of this. And considering the writing team that took the reins is apparently the guys behind Borderlands 3's story (which is ALSO a dumpster fire introducing people to the most insufferable brat ever put on screen and having the plot bend over backwards to coddle that character) and that the late arrival meant they had to rush to make the new story, its no wonder it ended the way it did (and its also probably why the game was delayed). Basically, Gearbox decided to meddle in here when they should have stayed the hell away. Also feel like its not gonna take "a few years" for wargames to become a solo experience... its already becoming that what with gearbox having already dropped support for the game, less than a year after release and with a last middle fingers to the franchise by cramming the taiidan (with a MUCH reduced ship roster) and the Somtaaw (with a SINGLE ship from their original game that isnt even able to do what it did in a 24 years old game and otherwise just being the base game faction with a few tweaks and a new frigate that never existed in cataclysm and just uses the normal hiigaran frigate design) into wargames and wargames only.
I am seriously getting tired of people who don't know or care go out of their way to ruin stories. It's happened to Homeworld, it's happened to Star Wars, it's happened to Star Trek to some extent, along with Fallout and lord knows how many others. It's all so tiresome.
@@chill-lady-brookI believe the key point here was when people "don't know" about a story they're working on. Plenty of studios in the past few years proudly displayed that their writers didn't read or consult the source material when making adaptations, to the point that this was considered an actual trend for a while. How you haven't heard of the dozens or so franchises this affected is beyond me, but surely you must have heard what happened with the Halo show? Or, going for an even wider phenomenon, making "alternative canons", like Rings of Power?
yeah. That update was basically the game dying with a last, spiteful middle finger by crapping on the taiidan and ESPECIALLY the Somtaaw (who have one SINGLE measly ship of their old roster back that cant even do what it did 24 years ago, the rest mainly being a copy of homeworld 3 ships with their unique frigate, that didnt exist at all in cataclysm btw, beign a purely homeworld 3 design) it wasnt enough for the game to just die, it also had to insult its own predecessors before kicking the bucket
Our enemy is an ancient being with countless years of experience in military tactics and politicking-she still falls for the same kind of ploy that Bugs Bunny would use on Elmer Fudd.
1:44 For the first game from a newly formed studio Genesis Rising was VERY ambitious and hearing about what the devs wanted to do and how inexperienced and ramshackle their development process for it was makes me REALLY want a remake of it by them, seriously I think it deserves to be remade. 2:06 IIRC it wasn't by choice, the publisher basically micromanaged them at times and basically hindered what the devs were doing.
Oh boy another game franchise in which i just reject the reality of its existence *smacks head with comically large hammer* Huh? Command and Conquer 4? Homeworld 3? No idea what you are talking about. It sure would have been nice if we got those, but oh well.
They added the Somtaaw's Beast Slayers fleet as DLC back in November this year for 8 buckaroos,...playable in War Games. Well, at least they are canon now I guess.
18:29 to paraphrase a comment on the original video: this is a cry for help from the writers EDIT: I wrote that right before you said it, damn you should definitely check out his Penumbra and Amnesia videos at some point
Its just like in Mandy said "write me a good story, or i would wish i would play a nobody". HW 3 responding by farting in the puddle and falling over dead.
I try to prepare you for this train wreck. Yeah people did not like H3 and they are right. Modern gaming also affects changes in the story for the worst.
18:32 This is actualy tragic. This is the video game equivalent of having a slip of paper with word "help" folded under the sole of a shoe made by children in Kongo.
ya can blame mix of randy pitchford and woman name lin loyce who pushed for allot of the story nonsense. If want a pallet cleanser go look up MacLore's Kiith video does good blender videos for wing commander, earthseige, freespace and others.
37% on steam and 100 players dont even pretend that this game is for some audiance that exists im just sad now as for the devellopment a gearbox woman came and turned the game into her fanficion and when she got cought she tried to scrub the internet of all the articles and talks with her
So I agree with Mandalore on literally everything else, but the "mothership is right out in the open" was actually well explained. The Incarnate were swarming over the planetary body looking for Karen's mothership, and the while the Khar Kushan had the exact location of Karen's mothership, they couldn't hyperspace directly to it cause hyperspace interdictors and weren't able to fight their way through the massive Incarnate fleets. Gunning straight for it full throttle wouldn't work either, cause the Incarnate would see their trajectory and would end up reaching Karen first because they were all over the place already.
Dude, just no. First of all, it's Karan. KARAN. I suppose 'muricans can mispronounce it, since they often hear a similar name, but there are subtitles in the game to assist with spotting this letter variation. Same with the voice actors, who can't read it properly either. Hopefully, they weren't paid too much for this butchery. And they better not retcon the character into Karen, to accommodate such text-skimming audience. Back to main topic. Your elaborate excuse for this foolish scene is a stretch to say the least. Khar Sajuuk's location was acquired from at least a Long Jump distance. There's no chance Khar Kushan had precise position of the shut-down ship before it exited hyperspace near the ice shelf. The Veil fleet was not present near the shelf from the start. They followed Khar Kushan's hyperspace signature. If they were already there, the Trinity would've already fallen into S-B-M-H's hands. No chance the experienced Karan S'jet would try to hide the Cores by smashing her ship into the shelf's surface, when Khar Sajuuk could've maneuvered the same way Khar Kushan did, into the shelf's bowels. It's an amalgam of metals, sticking out from ice. Any carrier dispatching 4 probes from a distance could scan it down. I bet at one time in the story, the ship was actually hidden, but some genius came over and said they wanted a beautiful scene, showing it breaking out of the ice. Not enough people with common sense standing up to their superiors lacking it.
46:33 actually i would say the Warhammer guide the authors had was pretty vague up until when the Horus heresy book line was nearing an end. The most consistent out there for that kind of franchise in my opinion is from Halo since every writer is given the "Halo Bible" basically a pretty detailed guideline to write the books wich make the books much more consistent than the games in some aspects actually
9:37 I feel that "Space Boat" could have more design variation. Like imagine having different kinds of that look that take inspiration from certain eras, like say Pre-Dreadnought/Belle Èpoque style for example. Imagine what a starship drawing heavy inspiration from a Pre-Dreadnought Battleship would look like against a starship drawing heavily from Post-Dreadnought design... Or in the case of the SBSY mostly an actual Post-Dreadnought Battleship in Space.
Comment: So how does it feel to you, for Xero to finally understand Homeworld 3 after spending just over an hour comprehending it's insane yet obvious nonsense? Me: .....It feels great Anyways, that's one more mind melt (Unintentionally this time) added to the list, hope you enjoyed the Homeworld adventure, even if things ended on not so pleasant terms, see you again once you eventually get round to doing Mandalore's 'Thief' series
The cool and interesting entire universe and its story progressively gets boiled down to some personal drama and special anime girl. Why can i remember a lot of media with this exact problem? WHY DOES THIS EXACTLY THE SAME THING KEEPS HAPPENING???
Homeworld fan here. We really didn't suffer that bad. Not because 3 is secretly good, it isn't, but because the demo let most of us know right away it was going to be bad. I wasn't super excited for the story because of 2 and the gameplay being straight up broken swept away any hope i might have had. Bless Mandalore and anyone who thought the delay would fix anything. Those poor souls.
I don’t think the ending of Witch from Mercury was that bad, but I do really think it needed one or two more episodes of breathing room to set up that part of the twist, and to make events paced out a bit more. It suffered from the 13 episode season structure because another season would have been too much, but as is it feels like it wraps up decently but drops a few threads along the way
Perhaps with a bit more setup they could have done more with it. As it stands a lot of the things that happen at the end all come out of nowhere and characters that should have been punished all pretty much escape with no consequences. Given the situation, they basically gave the best possible ending for everyone. So with how the previous episodes had had some real consequences to members of the main cast, it felt shallow and disappointing. Of course, that's just my point of view on it. Maybe I simply had too high of an expectation based off how good the 2nd cour was.
10:05 A good, distinctive silhouette is essential for telling what something is at a glance without having to waste much time identifying something. For a ship this is very important because if you're unfamiliar with a ship-class or you somehow misID a Destroyer as some type of Cruiser you end up in a situation where you are the Japanese at Samar thinking the force of Destoryers and Escort Carriers being used as glorified transports are a force of Cruisers and Fleet Carriers... As an aside, UAD can let you design ships that purposely look like another type. Such as, a Battlecruiser that visually looks like a Heavy or Light Cruiser or Battleship that looks like a Battlecruiser.
I single out UAD because some nations have hulls that are just the exact same between classes, like one of Germany's Battlecruiser hulls and another of their Battleship hulls are just the exact same model, specifically the ones for 1920.
Only positive thing I can say about this story is that nitpicking each scene makes them feel worse than they would be in vacuum since main reason each of them come across as that bad is because story as whole has so many baffling or bad moments, so in theory some of the writing decisions COULD have worked in completely different context that isn't here. Yeah there isn't really anything positive to say about story itself besides "some of those ideas or scenes could have been salvaged in completely different story"
26:29 If you want something oddly familiar watch Mandalore's vid on Metal Arms Glitch in the System, and you'll probably get what I mean by "oddly familiar" after examining that game's story... And something shown within the first few minutes.
Haven’t listened to the Three houses ost, but one comparison i can think of are the hacking tracks from Nier Automata. Where the soundtrack would change to an 8bit version, with the change in style not being too jarring.
Forgot about the hacking tracks. Completely agree. The shifts between both versions are so seamless I get chills remembering a certain moment in the game xD
I feel like one problem with the Human Face on Everything approach is that we live in an age of graphical fidelity where it’s just easier to scan in an actual actor instead of crafting a whole custom face, since it skips the time needed to make the new face look not uncanny. You can still do it, it’s just not as cost effective
13:12 Warhammer 40k is the only setting I know of that has ramming as a normal combat maneuver that is doctrinnally excepted and regularly employed by many factions. Because for that to be the case you need space ships with indane amounts of surplus survivability and sturdiness, combined with insane space ship commanders that have utter disregard for crew losses.
Really? I always had this mental image of that being a tactic even before I learned about Warhammer, but I guess the main difference is that the ship involved in the collision doesn't survive.
24:02 This track never fails to give me chills and tears to my eyes... 24:22 Yeah, I'm kind of disappointed in HW3's soundtrack... I mean Strike Suit: Zero has a more "Homeworld" feel to it and that's a separate franchise that... Also had Paul Ruskay doing the music for it... I can only imagine that the difference in music is because of how someone else, someone who didn't know the feel for Homeworld's music, directed Paul Ruskay to do something different from the previous games...
I have no clue how Homeworld 3 was marketed nor how their trailers looks like but I bet Homeworld fans got shafted worse then us Dragon Age fans. We had to wait a decade while HW waited 2 decades. Plus nearly everything about Veilguard was red flags as fast as it was announced. From all the turmoil during development to the shitty trailers and concept art, and Biowares deterioration as a studio, the writing was already on the wall. To me at least, I was already at terms with Veilguard being trash years before its release. So I don't know if there was just far fewer red flags for Homeworld 3's marketing and maybe even some highlights which gave hope before that hope got crushed by actual game. I just know if I had to wait 20+ years for a DA sequel and not getting any honest looks at the game before release, then I would be actually angry at its state rather than apathetic.
If things go as many suspect, Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines 2 will be the next closest thing to Homeworld 3 in terms of shafting the long time fans. And even then there has been more news to temper the hooeful expectations throughout the last couple of years.
@@fillosof66689 I bet. That game has been through hell. The only thing I can think of though is that the writing will be far stronger then Homeworld 3 but the gameplay far worse. The reason is that the Chinese Room are storytellers first, gameplay developers never, basically. But that is only a prediction.
I was desperately hoping that it'd reveal that Karen was a new form of the beast that had spent a long time learning about the galaxy and adapting to infect ships in new ways Still at least it means they can't ruin the beast
sorry this is really out of place but i have no idea where else to ask this do you have any specific place where you take reaction suggestions? or is it just whatever looks interesting in your comments? this is the wrong video to say this but i've been watching (and thoroughly enjoying) the kirby reactions and wanted to suggest a next step in a way that isn't "vtuber!!! watch this thing!!!!!! NOW !!!!!"
I do have a place for that in the member's Discord, but I read through all the comments as well to see if anything interests me. Of course, I consider the ones who are at least polite and provide extra details when making a suggestion more than those that demand something. Thank you for asking!
@@TheLegitWeebs thanks for the response! in that case, i was hoping you'd potentially check out either Juno Songs's *"Magolor Collection EX - Kirby's Return to Dream Land Deluxe WITH LYRICS"* or Man On The Internet's *"Kirby Musical Bytes"* !! Whether you're aware of it or not, there's a circle of content creators on youtube who take video game soundtracks to write and perform them as if they were songs with lyrics. I'm personally a big fan of the genre but there's a surprising lack of react content for them out there. MOTI (a group of people) and Juno (a member of MOTI who also works solo often) are both titans of the VGM With Lyrics community. Man On The Internet's *"Kirby Musical Bytes"* is an unsorted disconnected compilation of various Final Boss themes throughout the series, as well as two extra songs that are more for fun than anything else. I'd suggest checking out this one if you're looking to hear more of the characters you're familiar with from the lore videos, as well as MOTI's interpretation of how they sound, since kirby doesn't really have VAs. (of note is that they sneak in some really old covers in the middle of it, so you may notice a slight drop in quality randomly) Juno Songs's *"Magolor Collection EX - Kirby's Return to Dream Land Deluxe WITH LYRICS"* (not to be confused with his "Magolor Collection DX", which is older and outdated) is a very linear and thorough retelling of Magolor's full story arc from start to finish as seen in his game. I'd suggest checking out this one if you want to get to know Magolor better, since i noticed the lore videos sorta skim past Magolor's own story to spend time on what he says offhandedly instead. overall, both a great way to introduce yourself to a new content format while diving deeper into kirby lore !! either way, hope you consider !! thanks for at least reading and sorry again for intruding on the unrelated video !!
1:06:08 eh at the least veilguard is fun gameplay wise and does get its shit together plot wise by the end. its way less of a disaster trainwreck than this, just a fancier, glitter-yer one
17:16 its cuz the dudebros with no imagination or actual desire to play games like this might not be able to relate if they dont have a human face to look at or a sexy woman to lust after while playing
@@Maioly although I do agree with the complete lack of people part, especially if the people are... unsightly... I'd rather have nothing than have something worse than the minimally acceptable. Still, the descriptor I used is accurate, it's a "drama" goody two shoes game, not a based game like the previous ones, it lacks that grit and that edge, it's too sanitized.
I like sexy women. I did not see a single one in the entire game unfortunately 😔. Would've been cool if we had some sick ship designs though, but we don't really even have that.
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It's so weird that Homeworld uses numbers to denote the non-canon spinoffs, and uses subtitles for the actual prequels/sequels in the series.
I see what you did there.
You gotta love how the game opens with Imogen going "I invented these new hyperspace cores to free us from outdated mysticism" and then the plot hinges on the mother of all Hail Mary passes, where Karan bets basically all life in the universe on "that five year old I knew once growing up to be a mothership-pilot, being selected as the captain to go after me, AND still remembers the that F***ING LULLABY I used to sing to her"; she might as well have said "Sajuuk's divine providence will see us through."
I don't know, but this story feels like a product of that anti-Chosen One Trope-trend that seemed to be a thing since at least Last Jedi came out. Then again, I could be totally wrong; the game had at least 14 credited writers, so who knows what was going into this story.
Dialing it back to the first thing you said, Imogen just magicking up hyperspace cores out of nothing completely undermines the entire setting of this universe. Just her inventing those in the prologue was enough to turn me on this game. I never even finished the campaign, and I was looking forward to this game for ages.
The writing is very modern in pretty much every negative sense of the word
So something that sucks even harder, is that this story sets you all the way back to the start of Homeworld 1. Your people are stranded far away from their Homeworld, they need to make it there through unfamiliar territory, and the massive network of gates that provided you with FTL at the end of Homeworld 2 are gone so it's going to be a long process full of trials and tribulations...
Isn't it great when sequels just undo what the previous entries did?
Too many series do this. A clear sign they've run out of ideas so they rehash the same one again, but worse q.q
At the end, they forget only the Progenitor Cores were lost. Khar Kushan should still have its synthetic ones intact. And if for some reason they were damaged as well, they have Imogen Sue'jet with them. She did design the synthetic cores in the first place, and there's plenty of Progenitor derelicts around, to dismantle for resources. What's the problem at the end again?
@@riesstiu2khunning You completely misread what I said. I stated they didn't have the GATES that Homeworld 2 gave you, and that's why you're stranded. It's not impossible to get back, it would just require you to find your way, in the exact same manner as Homeworld 1. That's why I brought that up.
@@lich109 I was addressing the apparent confusion of the writers. In the ending, we aren't told they must now return using Long Jumps (stretching a Gate-passing instant to no more than a couple of months). We're told the Cores are gone, and they're all stranded for good.
Yes, Imogen Sue'jet should be able to recreate the Cores, and that'll allow them to return. It's going to be a voyage through intergalactic void, though. Nothing fancy like HW1, until they reach the Outer Rim. Yet the game still doesn't state this option -- instead, the fleet is clearly shown to have none. They've ended it on a non-issue, by apparently forgetting what they've set up.
Edit: On a side note, you don't need Progenitor Gates for FTL travel. Hyperspace Cores provide that on their own, and the story they wrote has shown Hiigarans can already produce those on their own. Still, they made only 3, put them in a single basket, and launched it into the unknown threat space, along with the only person capable of producing more. The story is dog-shit crazy.
@@riesstiu2khunning I think you're talking past me with most of your point, so I'll just address the portions relevant to what I've said. I never said that they couldn't use FTL, just that the gateways people were using for their FTL were gone. Furthermore it's not a non-issue to be stranded like that, because the journey home isn't going to be a one-and-done jump, since the gateways are gone. The writers made it clear the gates would be gone during/after the final confrontation with the Queen, since that's how you deal with her, by closing them (which somehow takes her out). They've made it clear you can't just retrace your steps to get back, meaning the space between there and the Homeworld can have any number of obstacles/factions in the way. Just because you don't know that area of space doesn't mean it's uninhabited, and I'm assuming they were originally planning to do extra story content in terms of DLC's to make it back.
I do not recall Imogen being the only person capable of producing more cores. She is the one who invented them, but as far as I'm aware she wouldn't be necessary to create more, it's not like she keeps the blueprint exclusively in her own head, and I'm going to assume Hiigara has the capability to keep creating more based on her designs.
I was both a Dragon Age and Homeworld fan.
I waited years, dang.
RIP
It feels like the main character's story was someone's self insert and they just hijacked Homeworld to tell all about their super special OC. And because it was mentioned, the new Dragon Age feels that way about a few characters too, among the litany of problems that game has (as a huge fan of the previous Dragon Age games, it hurts); thank you for the condolences lol
The villain is just the worse thing ever. "I am insecure and lonely so i try to commit genocide, please feel bad for me". And the good guys are also led by an insecure Mary Sue. Also fun tidbit, a part of why the writing team is so big is because it was changed and the original story scrapped in favor of this. And considering the writing team that took the reins is apparently the guys behind Borderlands 3's story (which is ALSO a dumpster fire introducing people to the most insufferable brat ever put on screen and having the plot bend over backwards to coddle that character) and that the late arrival meant they had to rush to make the new story, its no wonder it ended the way it did (and its also probably why the game was delayed). Basically, Gearbox decided to meddle in here when they should have stayed the hell away.
Also feel like its not gonna take "a few years" for wargames to become a solo experience... its already becoming that what with gearbox having already dropped support for the game, less than a year after release and with a last middle fingers to the franchise by cramming the taiidan (with a MUCH reduced ship roster) and the Somtaaw (with a SINGLE ship from their original game that isnt even able to do what it did in a 24 years old game and otherwise just being the base game faction with a few tweaks and a new frigate that never existed in cataclysm and just uses the normal hiigaran frigate design) into wargames and wargames only.
16:59 Hey! Not all rule 34 artists turn everything into humans, some of them actually have taste!
In fact, many of them *actively* try to un-human your characters.
Fair enough. I do appreciate monster girls, so I honestly can't argue there.
33:33 That's from Darkest of Days! I strongly recommend you do a blind reaction to Mandy's review of the game, as it is unhinged and beautiful lmao
I am seriously getting tired of people who don't know or care go out of their way to ruin stories. It's happened to Homeworld, it's happened to Star Wars, it's happened to Star Trek to some extent, along with Fallout and lord knows how many others. It's all so tiresome.
Are you 10 years old or something? People don’t “go out of their way” to ruin stuff like this. There’s just a difference in priorities.
@@chill-lady-brookI believe the key point here was when people "don't know" about a story they're working on.
Plenty of studios in the past few years proudly displayed that their writers didn't read or consult the source material when making adaptations, to the point that this was considered an actual trend for a while.
How you haven't heard of the dozens or so franchises this affected is beyond me, but surely you must have heard what happened with the Halo show? Or, going for an even wider phenomenon, making "alternative canons", like Rings of Power?
@@chill-lady-brook Are the priorities being differenced "making a good game" and "making a story that's coherent with the previous entries"?
And then, a month ago, Homeworld 3 died. Update 1.3 was the last one. Not with a bang, but with a whimper.
Thank goodness. Just let homeworld rest and remain a good memory in our minds.
yeah. That update was basically the game dying with a last, spiteful middle finger by crapping on the taiidan and ESPECIALLY the Somtaaw (who have one SINGLE measly ship of their old roster back that cant even do what it did 24 years ago, the rest mainly being a copy of homeworld 3 ships with their unique frigate, that didnt exist at all in cataclysm btw, beign a purely homeworld 3 design)
it wasnt enough for the game to just die, it also had to insult its own predecessors before kicking the bucket
@@TheLegitWeebsthey force to release half baked dlc due to steam rules now, roster is about half of all the ships from those factions
Our enemy is an ancient being with countless years of experience in military tactics and politicking-she still falls for the same kind of ploy that Bugs Bunny would use on Elmer Fudd.
1:44 For the first game from a newly formed studio Genesis Rising was VERY ambitious and hearing about what the devs wanted to do and how inexperienced and ramshackle their development process for it was makes me REALLY want a remake of it by them, seriously I think it deserves to be remade.
2:06 IIRC it wasn't by choice, the publisher basically micromanaged them at times and basically hindered what the devs were doing.
Oh boy another game franchise in which i just reject the reality of its existence
*smacks head with comically large hammer*
Huh? Command and Conquer 4? Homeworld 3? No idea what you are talking about. It sure would have been nice if we got those, but oh well.
I love Pacific Rim. Too bad they never made a sequel.
They added the Somtaaw's Beast Slayers fleet as DLC back in November this year for 8 buckaroos,...playable in War Games.
Well, at least they are canon now I guess.
Oh my god. Of course they did... smh
18:29 to paraphrase a comment on the original video: this is a cry for help from the writers
EDIT: I wrote that right before you said it, damn
you should definitely check out his Penumbra and Amnesia videos at some point
Oh dang, forget he did one on those. Love me some horror so I'll be checking them out at some point.
Its just like in Mandy said "write me a good story, or i would wish i would play a nobody". HW 3 responding by farting in the puddle and falling over dead.
I try to prepare you for this train wreck.
Yeah people did not like H3 and they are right.
Modern gaming also affects changes in the story for the worst.
18:32 This is actualy tragic. This is the video game equivalent of having a slip of paper with word "help" folded under the sole of a shoe made by children in Kongo.
ya can blame mix of randy pitchford and woman name lin loyce who pushed for allot of the story nonsense.
If want a pallet cleanser go look up MacLore's Kiith video does good blender videos for wing commander, earthseige, freespace and others.
48:05
You just *know* the game's story is good if Mandalore brings out Neil Breen...
37% on steam and 100 players
dont even pretend that this game is for some audiance that exists
im just sad now
as for the devellopment a gearbox woman came and turned the game into her fanficion and when she got cought she tried to scrub the internet of all the articles and talks with her
So I agree with Mandalore on literally everything else, but the "mothership is right out in the open" was actually well explained. The Incarnate were swarming over the planetary body looking for Karen's mothership, and the while the Khar Kushan had the exact location of Karen's mothership, they couldn't hyperspace directly to it cause hyperspace interdictors and weren't able to fight their way through the massive Incarnate fleets. Gunning straight for it full throttle wouldn't work either, cause the Incarnate would see their trajectory and would end up reaching Karen first because they were all over the place already.
Dude, just no.
First of all, it's Karan. KARAN. I suppose 'muricans can mispronounce it, since they often hear a similar name, but there are subtitles in the game to assist with spotting this letter variation. Same with the voice actors, who can't read it properly either. Hopefully, they weren't paid too much for this butchery. And they better not retcon the character into Karen, to accommodate such text-skimming audience.
Back to main topic. Your elaborate excuse for this foolish scene is a stretch to say the least. Khar Sajuuk's location was acquired from at least a Long Jump distance. There's no chance Khar Kushan had precise position of the shut-down ship before it exited hyperspace near the ice shelf.
The Veil fleet was not present near the shelf from the start. They followed Khar Kushan's hyperspace signature. If they were already there, the Trinity would've already fallen into S-B-M-H's hands.
No chance the experienced Karan S'jet would try to hide the Cores by smashing her ship into the shelf's surface, when Khar Sajuuk could've maneuvered the same way Khar Kushan did, into the shelf's bowels. It's an amalgam of metals, sticking out from ice. Any carrier dispatching 4 probes from a distance could scan it down.
I bet at one time in the story, the ship was actually hidden, but some genius came over and said they wanted a beautiful scene, showing it breaking out of the ice. Not enough people with common sense standing up to their superiors lacking it.
Now you need to react to the whole VOD of Mandalore of Garten of Banban 7. If only because it will be hilarious.
One day we will have a proper Mandalore Banban video outside of the vods 🙏
46:33 actually i would say the Warhammer guide the authors had was pretty vague up until when the Horus heresy book line was nearing an end. The most consistent out there for that kind of franchise in my opinion is from Halo since every writer is given the "Halo Bible" basically a pretty detailed guideline to write the books wich make the books much more consistent than the games in some aspects actually
9:37 I feel that "Space Boat" could have more design variation. Like imagine having different kinds of that look that take inspiration from certain eras, like say Pre-Dreadnought/Belle Èpoque style for example. Imagine what a starship drawing heavy inspiration from a Pre-Dreadnought Battleship would look like against a starship drawing heavily from Post-Dreadnought design... Or in the case of the SBSY mostly an actual Post-Dreadnought Battleship in Space.
Comment: So how does it feel to you, for Xero to finally understand Homeworld 3 after spending just over an hour comprehending it's insane yet obvious nonsense?
Me: .....It feels great
Anyways, that's one more mind melt (Unintentionally this time) added to the list, hope you enjoyed the Homeworld adventure, even if things ended on not so pleasant terms, see you again once you eventually get round to doing Mandalore's 'Thief' series
The cool and interesting entire universe and its story progressively gets boiled down to some personal drama and special anime girl.
Why can i remember a lot of media with this exact problem?
WHY DOES THIS EXACTLY THE SAME THING KEEPS HAPPENING???
I am starting to think this game did indeed have fourteen writers. Because wow that was awful
21:07 Mandalore has a video on it, but you'd also need to do the Penumbra and Amnesia the Dark Decent videos before Machine for Pigs.
Homeworld fan here. We really didn't suffer that bad. Not because 3 is secretly good, it isn't, but because the demo let most of us know right away it was going to be bad. I wasn't super excited for the story because of 2 and the gameplay being straight up broken swept away any hope i might have had.
Bless Mandalore and anyone who thought the delay would fix anything. Those poor souls.
Great that at least there was a demo for this. It would suck to buy into it and feel like you got ripped off.
I love that Rise of nations music Mandalore used in the beginning of the video, makes me wanna play it again.
I don’t think the ending of Witch from Mercury was that bad, but I do really think it needed one or two more episodes of breathing room to set up that part of the twist, and to make events paced out a bit more. It suffered from the 13 episode season structure because another season would have been too much, but as is it feels like it wraps up decently but drops a few threads along the way
Perhaps with a bit more setup they could have done more with it. As it stands a lot of the things that happen at the end all come out of nowhere and characters that should have been punished all pretty much escape with no consequences. Given the situation, they basically gave the best possible ending for everyone. So with how the previous episodes had had some real consequences to members of the main cast, it felt shallow and disappointing. Of course, that's just my point of view on it. Maybe I simply had too high of an expectation based off how good the 2nd cour was.
Wait, they focus the game around multiplayer updates then they totally drop support for the game a half a year in? Ow that's rough.
10:05 A good, distinctive silhouette is essential for telling what something is at a glance without having to waste much time identifying something. For a ship this is very important because if you're unfamiliar with a ship-class or you somehow misID a Destroyer as some type of Cruiser you end up in a situation where you are the Japanese at Samar thinking the force of Destoryers and Escort Carriers being used as glorified transports are a force of Cruisers and Fleet Carriers...
As an aside, UAD can let you design ships that purposely look like another type. Such as, a Battlecruiser that visually looks like a Heavy or Light Cruiser or Battleship that looks like a Battlecruiser.
I single out UAD because some nations have hulls that are just the exact same between classes, like one of Germany's Battlecruiser hulls and another of their Battleship hulls are just the exact same model, specifically the ones for 1920.
Only positive thing I can say about this story is that nitpicking each scene makes them feel worse than they would be in vacuum since main reason each of them come across as that bad is because story as whole has so many baffling or bad moments, so in theory some of the writing decisions COULD have worked in completely different context that isn't here.
Yeah there isn't really anything positive to say about story itself besides "some of those ideas or scenes could have been salvaged in completely different story"
26:29 If you want something oddly familiar watch Mandalore's vid on Metal Arms Glitch in the System, and you'll probably get what I mean by "oddly familiar" after examining that game's story... And something shown within the first few minutes.
Haven’t listened to the Three houses ost, but one comparison i can think of are the hacking tracks from Nier Automata. Where the soundtrack would change to an 8bit version, with the change in style not being too jarring.
Forgot about the hacking tracks. Completely agree. The shifts between both versions are so seamless I get chills remembering a certain moment in the game xD
I feel like one problem with the Human Face on Everything approach is that we live in an age of graphical fidelity where it’s just easier to scan in an actual actor instead of crafting a whole custom face, since it skips the time needed to make the new face look not uncanny. You can still do it, it’s just not as cost effective
13:12 Warhammer 40k is the only setting I know of that has ramming as a normal combat maneuver that is doctrinnally excepted and regularly employed by many factions. Because for that to be the case you need space ships with indane amounts of surplus survivability and sturdiness, combined with insane space ship commanders that have utter disregard for crew losses.
Really? I always had this mental image of that being a tactic even before I learned about Warhammer, but I guess the main difference is that the ship involved in the collision doesn't survive.
24:02 This track never fails to give me chills and tears to my eyes...
24:22 Yeah, I'm kind of disappointed in HW3's soundtrack... I mean Strike Suit: Zero has a more "Homeworld" feel to it and that's a separate franchise that... Also had Paul Ruskay doing the music for it... I can only imagine that the difference in music is because of how someone else, someone who didn't know the feel for Homeworld's music, directed Paul Ruskay to do something different from the previous games...
I have no clue how Homeworld 3 was marketed nor how their trailers looks like but I bet Homeworld fans got shafted worse then us Dragon Age fans. We had to wait a decade while HW waited 2 decades.
Plus nearly everything about Veilguard was red flags as fast as it was announced. From all the turmoil during development to the shitty trailers and concept art, and Biowares deterioration as a studio, the writing was already on the wall. To me at least, I was already at terms with Veilguard being trash years before its release.
So I don't know if there was just far fewer red flags for Homeworld 3's marketing and maybe even some highlights which gave hope before that hope got crushed by actual game. I just know if I had to wait 20+ years for a DA sequel and not getting any honest looks at the game before release, then I would be actually angry at its state rather than apathetic.
If things go as many suspect, Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines 2 will be the next closest thing to Homeworld 3 in terms of shafting the long time fans.
And even then there has been more news to temper the hooeful expectations throughout the last couple of years.
@@fillosof66689 I bet. That game has been through hell.
The only thing I can think of though is that the writing will be far stronger then Homeworld 3 but the gameplay far worse. The reason is that the Chinese Room are storytellers first, gameplay developers never, basically. But that is only a prediction.
Your reaction is peak cinema. And I feel the same about this franchise.
I was desperately hoping that it'd reveal that Karen was a new form of the beast that had spent a long time learning about the galaxy and adapting to infect ships in new ways
Still at least it means they can't ruin the beast
Just leaving my comment here to appease the almighty algorithm.
sorry this is really out of place but i have no idea where else to ask this do you have any specific place where you take reaction suggestions? or is it just whatever looks interesting in your comments?
this is the wrong video to say this but i've been watching (and thoroughly enjoying) the kirby reactions and wanted to suggest a next step in a way that isn't "vtuber!!! watch this thing!!!!!! NOW !!!!!"
I do have a place for that in the member's Discord, but I read through all the comments as well to see if anything interests me. Of course, I consider the ones who are at least polite and provide extra details when making a suggestion more than those that demand something. Thank you for asking!
@@TheLegitWeebs thanks for the response!
in that case, i was hoping you'd potentially check out either Juno Songs's *"Magolor Collection EX - Kirby's Return to Dream Land Deluxe WITH LYRICS"* or Man On The Internet's *"Kirby Musical Bytes"* !!
Whether you're aware of it or not, there's a circle of content creators on youtube who take video game soundtracks to write and perform them as if they were songs with lyrics. I'm personally a big fan of the genre but there's a surprising lack of react content for them out there. MOTI (a group of people) and Juno (a member of MOTI who also works solo often) are both titans of the VGM With Lyrics community.
Man On The Internet's *"Kirby Musical Bytes"* is an unsorted disconnected compilation of various Final Boss themes throughout the series, as well as two extra songs that are more for fun than anything else. I'd suggest checking out this one if you're looking to hear more of the characters you're familiar with from the lore videos, as well as MOTI's interpretation of how they sound, since kirby doesn't really have VAs. (of note is that they sneak in some really old covers in the middle of it, so you may notice a slight drop in quality randomly)
Juno Songs's *"Magolor Collection EX - Kirby's Return to Dream Land Deluxe WITH LYRICS"* (not to be confused with his "Magolor Collection DX", which is older and outdated) is a very linear and thorough retelling of Magolor's full story arc from start to finish as seen in his game. I'd suggest checking out this one if you want to get to know Magolor better, since i noticed the lore videos sorta skim past Magolor's own story to spend time on what he says offhandedly instead.
overall, both a great way to introduce yourself to a new content format while diving deeper into kirby lore !!
either way, hope you consider !! thanks for at least reading and sorry again for intruding on the unrelated video !!
1:06:08 eh at the least veilguard is fun gameplay wise and does get its shit together plot wise by the end.
its way less of a disaster trainwreck than this, just a fancier, glitter-yer one
Glad that it at least has something redeeming about it unlike HW3
What is Blam?
Blame! is an incredible dark sci-fi manga written by Tsutomu Nihei. One of my favorite manga of all time, and I'd highly recommend checking it out.
17:16 its cuz the dudebros with no imagination or actual desire to play games like this might not be able to relate if they dont have a human face to look at or a sexy woman to lust after while playing
And it still fails at both these things, like every redditoid sjw thing.
@FriendlyArchpriest i have no idea how you took redditoid sjw from my comment...
@@Maioly although I do agree with the complete lack of people part, especially if the people are... unsightly... I'd rather have nothing than have something worse than the minimally acceptable.
Still, the descriptor I used is accurate, it's a "drama" goody two shoes game, not a based game like the previous ones, it lacks that grit and that edge, it's too sanitized.
I like sexy women. I did not see a single one in the entire game unfortunately 😔. Would've been cool if we had some sick ship designs though, but we don't really even have that.