Viltrox 56mm f1.4: Kills Fuji 56mm f1.2 Except ONE Area
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- This is my review of the Viltrox 56mm f1.4 lens on the Fuji XT4. An 84mm f2.1 full frame equivalent. How does it perform? Is it a good b-roll lens for slow mo? A good studio lens for a more magical talking head look? How's the autofocus and stabilization? How does it do for photography? Oh we'll test it all :)
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Has anyone else noticed that apple has managed to convince the apple sheep brigade that an F2.2 aperture is faster than an F2.0 aperture lol 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️. There is all these big tech channels, apple channels going oh yes apple put the faster f2.2 telephoto lens on the iPhone 12promax... I'm like no idiots f2.2 is slower/let's in less light than f2.0!!. It's amazing apple says something they just Beleive it even these "tech expert channels" obviously not very tech knowledgeable at all lol. There like oh the 12promax has a bigger telephoto sensor.. I'm like ya but they paired it with the worse slowly lens so it totally negates the bigger sensor because the lens let's in less light than the faster lens with a smaller sensor on the smaller 12pro!. Apple is just so anti consumer it's unbelieve and apple sheep are dumb lol.
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Question if Money were not a problem and you were in the market for a Fuji x 56mm or 50 witch one either Fuji on 56, 1.2,, wr are the Viltrox , 56, 1.4 our sigmas, 56, 1.4. Our Fu is 50 mm 1.0.
I have watched countless reviews on these for lances mainly use mine for photography not video. What’s your thoughts which one?
"I wish I could find more animals other than squirrels" welcome to the life of a wildlife photographer
The Toneh doesn't change with crop factor, but your face has to be further back from the lens to achieve the same framing, and when the subject is further from the lens, the Toneh decreases. Toneh the namesake of Toneh explained it rather well once.
This is the right answer. And the answer is quick :-P
people like Karl and friendssss make the world wayyy too complicated.
Thank you. This is correct.
@Gap In a real world situation where you are in a tight space, even f/2.8 on full frame won't give you any toneh.
You would need f/1.2 or f/0.95 to get any toneh in a small office interview.
Environment where the subject is in matters far more than sensor or aperture size. At least for what I do.
I have this sneaking suspicion that this channel is one of the most useful for the camera engineers. Here they get to see what it looks like when Casey uses their gear. Other channels probably cut out a (focusing) errors or just show them briefly instead of here where we see what he was trying to do.
TL;DR fix your cameras, scrubs!
If they watch Gerald they will think their cameras are flawless
I’m telling you, make a dedicated channel to photography with your explanation, so funny and adorable... plus, I think you have a talent there...
"Embrace the Looser's side: we got cookies!"
The channel name will be Loser Conspiracy
You definitely should do a „I criticize your best photographs“ channel - SMASHER!!!
"Fuji autofocus:" right up there with "military intelligence" and "jumbo shrimp." 💯🤣
Btw, "the Toneh balls are smooth" at the 8 minute mark was pure gold.
I loved it when you said, The squirrel, the rarest creature on earth, and at that moment, (3:45) the squirrel raised his head, looked at you , and smiled. Perfect! You deserve an award for that.
To answer your question about the crop factor and blurry background
It's all about being relative to a full frame setup;
As you increase focal length with the same aperture, the iris size should increase. But when you crop in it doesn't, so an 50mm f2 would have an iris of 25mm, an 85mm f2 would have an iris 42.5mm.
This should make it easier to understand: th-cam.com/video/v_rTNxOIdoA/w-d-xo.html
If before the crop, the bokeh balls are as big as his head, then after cropping without moving the camera or changing the lens, obviously that relationship between the bokeh size and the size of Kasey's head is unchanged.
@@thatcherfreeman Yes, but he's asking about the effective aperture value changing. He's saying the 56mm f1.4 should be an equivalent 84mm f1.4 not an 84mm f2.1, so it should produce the same depth of field as an 85mm f1.4 ... except that isn't the case because a 56mm f1.4 has an iris opening of around 40mm - cropping in the angle of view reduces to that of an 84mm lens but the iris doesn't increase in size.
A lenses 'f' number is the ratio of focal length to iris size - so an effective 84mm focal length with a 40mm iris opening gives an 'f' ratio of 2.1
If you have a constant aperture zoom lens like an f2.8, as you zoom in at the same aperture the size of the bokeh balls would increase, not stay the same like you see with cropping in
@@DaveMcKeegan Yeah I guess rewatching it he's talking about a few things at once with lens equivalents and cropping with a single lens, so fair enough
@Pulse Dial yes the maths isn't an exact in terms of actual iris size, however it's the principal that we're talking about
A longer focal length with the same aperture value gives a shallower depth of field because the iris opening is larger, but if you just crop into a shorter focal length then you narrow your angle of view without enlarging the iris, so you get the same effective look as a longer focal length lens that has a smaller aperture ratio
@Pulse Dial hes right dude, the f stop on crop sensor changes the amount of toneh because realistically people step back to get the subject in frame and when they do so the compression changes but the size of the iris does not.
Most phone camera have f1.6 to 1.8 do they even have any Toneh?
Think about it.
If you can count on anything from Viltrox it's updating their firmware to improve auto focus. Since this video Viltrox has updated the 56mm firmware 3 times so far. One of those were directly addressing the AF.
My copy I purchased new came with the AF firmware already installed so I can't speak to earlier performance but with the updated firmware on the x-s10 it does awesome. I've got the 50mm/f2 and can't tell any AF difference. The extra toneh is noticeable enough that I'm probably going to sell the 50mm since they're so close in focal range.
"Here is a woman on a bike, she escaped my rule of thirds prison." LMAO (spit my water out due to the laugh)
Perfect! Just got an XT4 so this is very useful! Thanks sir. :)
When you crop let's say 1.5x on a 50mm 2 lens, it has the perspective of a 75mm 3. It zooms in(that is what a crop does) toneh looks the same.
But if you want the same framing you will have to move the camera back further which moves the focus point further away and thereby reducing toneh.
The closer you are to the lens and the further the background is away(maxing out at infinity) the more toneh you get, this is also what forces macro people to stop down to the point of diffraction or focus stack.
This is also what made the toneh lake video so painful, because he was very close while the background without much color detail was at infinity(and the autofocus and breathing of course)
2:04, however the dof is also a function of the distance, so to frame the same thing you would have to step back 50% which leads to an increase in dof.
Size of Aperture
He meant the conversion of equivalent f stop number.. a 1.4 full frame lens is 1.4 on a crop sensor.. it's like cropping in full frame image to apsc size.. not considering reframing.. even the light amount is same just missing those extra outside light and image portion.. if we take a full frame camera and apsc camera align the sensor position(the sensor marker on top of camera) in the same position and same lens same setting and take photos of same subject in same distance, it will look like a cropped image of full frame without any change in exposure, dof .. because the flange distance, lens and distance is same.. the only change is the field of view because of crop.. a 35mm will the equivalent fov of a 50mm lens but not equivalent to 50mm focal length, nor does it covert in to a f2.1 lens because the dof will be same the compression will b same .. yes it will change if we try to reframe to match the full framefov because of repositioning and change in subject to sensor distance, that will effectively increase dof but again not necessarily equivalent to f2.1 or ay other value it ill be just like a 1.4 lens perform at that same distance on a full frame camera :)
@SwitchRich Don't forget all 3 factor of DoF. Distance from subject, focal length and aperture.
This guy is amazing. I really enjoy he's why of telling stories. Damm. I ask myself where.the heck doe he get inspiration from. You need to be very creative to come up with this content.
Magic mushrooms he picks in the forest
@@TopblokeGolf bah. It is this way he differentiate from other yt channels.
I'd be interested in seeing how you process audio, including eq, compression, or whatever you do, and how you write and mix your musical tracks, which are fantastic. I love the whole consistent themes you've created for your channel. Your sound design is noticed and appreciated. I don't know how you crank out these videos so often. Additionally - it's been too long since I heard, "He's in an ocean, wah wah ah ah aaaahhhhh." Peace!
Dude if you ever need an idea for a third YT channel. Please do more squirrel B roll. The randomness of these little creatures is addicting to watch. Especially with epic music.
The 5:20 bit and the photography commentary, masterpieces.
"It might be a firmware... or two from being perfect." Canon's new motto.
Those narrative photos had me dying, I was eating and I was about to spit my food out on my lunch break. Dying of laughter. I’m still alive. Thank you camera conspiracies
Yes the dof changes because you need to step back to have the same framing and the BG is less blurry. We all thought you could understand by yourself :)
I actually feel sad I spent my money on the 56f1.2 just 2 months before they released the villtrox
“The power of Anne of Green Gables” is an amazing Canadian reference.
Also Ontario fruit, Tim Horton.
“...and your dog goes to heaven immediately.” Haha
The aperture doesn’t change. It’s just you only get the bokeh of a 56mm, not a 84mm. A 84mm 1.4 would have insane bokeh. So since you’re doing an equivalent focal length, you should do the same for aperture
Glad to see your subs continue to increase. I always enjoy the humorous spin on technical subjects. Keep it up, and you will get another 80k.
10:54 squirrel having a good sniff, just to make sure it's not poo lol
There's a certain silver haired guru who made a video about how APS-C does not bokeh well because it doesn't get as much "light" and so then there's Angry Photographer who roasts him. It's a hot cup of Camera Tube tea that I think you need to stir. Think about it at least. Also that guy dyes his hair silver to look smart, he's only 50s. Or maybe it's too much mercury from the swordfish steak sandwiches he ate ever day in his corporate CEO job he occasionally-constantly mega flexes about.
Yep, the toneh doesn't change just because there's a crop and the logic behind it is exactly as you said. That's why you only need like f5.6 for a telephoto lenses to get a lot of toneh - you're so "cropped in" that's it's enough to completely blur everything in the background behind the subject.
so you think a telephoto crops the sensor? waw. That's kind of magical.
@@k1k13004 No, that's why I put "cropped in" in quotes... The effect of using a 100mm is the same as using a 50mm and cropping the image. You get more resolution and better autofocus with the 100mm but you can get the same image with the same amount of toneh with the 50mm. Of course nobody does this but the reasoning is correct.
@@hal_wayland actually in theory that might be true. In practice it's totally wrong. So if take a program to calculate the DOF, you might get a similar DOF when you have a 50 and when you stepback with a 100. In practice the blurry part is SOOOO different that it's not even comparable. I have the xf200, xf56, the macro and few more.
If I take a picture with the kit lense 18-55 at 55mm f4 from chest to head, the BG only 2 meters away is not in focus but it's not blurry.
I step back, take my 200, set it to f4 and the same framing. It's day and night. There is nothing to compare, not only IQ , sharpness, but the DOF wich is theorically the same is actually in practice not comparable.
I'm sorry I actually changed the subject of FF
@@k1k13004 You can't do this with 2 lenses of different focal length set to the same f stop, that's not how the math works.
@@hal_wayland it's exactly how we compare ff and crop sensor. Different focal lengths
The answer to your crop question is that typically on crop sensors, you would move the camera farther away to maintain the same framing, and you lose the toneh from moving it farther away.
"the tonehture" dude you crack me up keep up the good work
The Toneh doesn’t change, the change Toneh’s you. Tonehs your heart ❤️
Never thought I'd say this as a GH5 owner but I actually prefer Panasonic's pulsating AF system of doom compared to that hyper-jarring mess by Fuji 😣 it's painful to watch, like my eye balls are experiencing a car crash every time it grabs focus
Squirrel AF, Demon Squirrel LUT, Squirrel B-roll, now we need a squirrel CC t shirt
@mipmipmipmipmip we should change Toneh to Squirreleh for squirrel-specific scenes
Best Fuji lenses are original Fuji lenses. Viltrox 56 t1.4 is killing Fuji 56 t1.2 in AF and that's about It.It is nowhere near in IQ.
God knows what T-stop that viltro has, probably 1.6-1.8 also CA is horrible wide open.
@Gap They using stepping motor in stead of linear one which are used on 80 and 90mm.I also notice that 56 f1.2 is bit faster on the latest Fujifilm cameras.
Yooo I died during the photo section. Laughed my ass off
FOR SOME REASON YOUR FUJI SHOTS ARE SO CINEMATIC.
If I understand it correctly, cropping in post does not change the Toneh. But if you fill the frame on your full frame by walking closer to the subject to match the composition of cropped sensor and take a picture then the Toneh changes.
i would believe you if you tell me that squirrel was a paid actor😂 you can make a nat geo documentary with that squirrel with your funny narration😅
As I understand it, it does not just crop on a aps-c sensor. It is not like you have a full sensor’s circle of light over a cropped center part of your sensor, it is the light being redirected through optics to get a smaller circle according to the sensor’s size
I remember following this channel a long time ago with only a couple of comments. Does he not reply anymore? His notifications must be through the roof.
I just discovered your channel TODAY (what was I doing all this time....) !
You instantly gave me that sunshine and hope (without XT4 DR400 zebras) about youtube videos : damn it's good !
Thank you for being such a very nice foolhead, I needed that !
you are correct..if you use APS-c just to crop in the DOF will be the same...but if you keep the framing the same so move back the camera its then you increase DOF over FF
Toneh doesn't change with cropped lenses, check Gerald's video about focal lengths. The thing about cropped lenses is that you need to be farther away from the subject to have the same composition than a non cropped one, so the subject "blends" more with the background; giving the illusion of less toneh.
1:49 True, it's just a crop if you compare identical lens, subject distance while changing sensor size. It gets the DOF look and perspective of a 84 mm toneh 2.1 once you try to fill your frame with your composition in the same way it would look on a FF body - means you would step back with your fuji if you wanted to match the covered field of a FF 85 mm. This stepping back increases your DOF in the same manner you would apply the crop to F-number.
"Toniature" lol
Those photos were glorious. If only the autofocus was smoother in video it would be a fantastic all around lens.
I always love the squirrel shots. We have them where I live, but not nearly as much and they are quite skittish, they mostly chill in the trees so I only rarely get to see them.
The toneh of a 56mm lens doesn't change. It's not going to have a toneh of a longer focal length lens ... unless you change your distance to the subject (because of the crop and your perception of the image). The aperture is a ratio that symbolizes hypothetical light transmission (unlike T stop), so it doesn't really affect your Toneh if you do the mathematical "equivalency" calculation, which is intended to give an impression of what the light transmission could be.
2ell done really enjoyed this one Kasey
A longer focal length has less depth of field. Thus a 56mm lens has the same depth of field regardless of sensor size; however, a 56mm lens has a larger depth of field than an 84mm. So with a 56mm lens on an APSC camera you get the same field of view as an 84mm lens on a full frame camera, but still have the larger depth of field of a 56mm lens.
This lens is definitely for stills first and video second. The image quality is superb.
Casey- I stopped it wide open like a fool
The lens- you ain’t stop me. Unstoppable
Could you make a video on how to shoot cinematic squirrel b-roll?
I got this lens for my X-T3. It’s good. I like it. Viltrox 23mm is also good
Oh one formula for toneh comparability that actually works, take actual focal length in mm and divide by actual aperture. Sensor size makes no difference, do not use any crop factors. An 33mm / 1.4= 23.6 bluritude vs 200m / 4.0= 50 bluritude. The focus of the light that passes through the lens is not effected by whatever sensor size it hits on the other end.
Wow, nobody has been able to filmed squirrel like you did. It's not the lens, it's you.
Just stumbled across your channel. Informative and hilarious, earned my sub!
Bro, your toneh-face in the street had me rollin’
3:30 Oh no, I was wrong about the secret lens =D Thought it could be the new Xf 70-300
Great Edit.. Loved this one Mr. K
Most entertaining review this month.
Are you excited iPhone 12 having 10bit, Dolby vision, HDR?
Cinematic Squirrel tonehature at its best.
The tony doesn't change at all between the cropped sensor etc you're right!!
For bokeh between FF and Apsc, your thinking crop in post vs crop of the sensor before the image is captured (reality).
The aperture doesn't multiply by the crop factor, yo get the same amount of light as a full frame camera. The reduction of depth of field is due to you getting the toneh of a 35mm 1.4 lens, but with a crop equivalent to the angle of view of a 52mm lens. The wider the lens, the less toneh you get from the same f-stop.
Do you record in h.265? If so, are you transcoding files? This system makes post work so difficult
My guess as to why the face tracking doesn't work when you have it wide open so your face doesn't even look like a face all bokehed like that. The reason that the viltrox does this to you is that it is a long lens with a wide aperature. The fuji lenses you use have smaller apertures and wider focal lengths. Not that you would want to but if you switch from face tracking to a smaller focus zone you may find that it finds you better. Or if you stop it down a bit.
Would you say the 16mm t1.4 is the best autofocusing toneh lens so far?
I would say, most overrated
@@aditya_gupta You're fired from Fuji.
there is no reason to expect toneh on a wide lense. Except if you want to take a tight shot of your nose and get your eyes a bit blurry on the background (because the minimal focus distance allows you to do that).
Probably.
@06:52 a real "Toneh" face 😆
I love story time with Timmy - Toneh - Toney - Tony I mean Story time with Casey hehe
Just got the 56 the other day. Love it. 23 is next. You're theory on f stop...always wondered why it was change the f stop. It is just a crop.
Also I wonder what the next firmware is going to do for AF
congraz on 100k! :D
I got the Sony E version, mostly because it was less expensive than the Sigma, but now I have the Sigma 16 and 30 from the trio, but the Viltrox 56 lol. I like it though.
My wallet is ready for that 12mm viltrox; just make the autofocus work perfectly with this camera.
If you use manual white balance all of your shots wouldn't look so strange. Fall kills the camera auto WB every time.
'You're kiling our industry!' XD Also, that Triumph Spitfire, what a beaut! Anne of Greengables has blessed you.
Pure gold every time!
you legit make my life happier with these videos!! =) lol All smiles.
It makes me want to run up to your house and ask can you come out and play! ... Is that a thing anymore... do human children ride bikes? or would they just facetime now? hmm
I've remember watching a video of what Peter Gregg did was just use his finger to point to his face and the magic happened. He did all this on a Panasonic. Hmmm!
I've been using the Viltrox adapters for micro four loser and I love them for the price. I could get 3 for the price of 1 metabones. They are chinese and yes, THEY PERFORM!
As an X-T4 owner, this AF makes me sad. I want to love it so hard but come on Fuji......
OMG, what a photographer the world is losing in Kasey! Now I want to shoot stills, too!
Hey man, you should get a viltrox 85mm 1.8 for sony. Then compaire to the 56mm for fuji. I love my 85mm viltrox!
If you want to take pictures of different animals. Just visit your local zoo, where you can see. If the lense and or camera has trouble. Locking onto the animals due to them. Having to focus through the bars or glass.
The lens looks pretty good. It looks like your shoes are in focus outside. Like it just missed.
I came for the Toneh
I stayed for the squirrels ass.
Was not disappointed!
I don’t care about cameras. Just enjoy watching you. Not in a weird way though.
I am fantasizing the day when Sigma starts making lenses for fuji. What a day it would be.
the Sigma 56, 16 and 30 1.4 for fuji have just been released two weeks ago! I picked up the 56/16 and love them.
Tony factor doesn't change because of the crop. Depth of field is calculated as twice the distance to subject squared x the acceptable circle of confusion size x aperture, all divided by focal length squared. So a Viltrox 33 f/1.4 will give you the same depth of field on any sensor as long as all the other factors remain the same (i.e., you don't back up to get yourself framed the same, etc.).
Short answer the 2.1 is a measure of light let in not depth of field.
Keep at it! We will make a real photographer of you yet! :D
This man's humour is pure fire 🤣
The cropping does not affect the toneh. That said, the 50mm T1.8 full frame would have the same toneh as a 50mm T1.8 micro four loser lens if you are shooting at the same distance. However, the micro four loser would have a tighter framing due to the crop. So, if you want the similar framing between the both, you need to be further away from the camera on the micro four loser system. And that further distance affect the toneh. Therefore, even both lenses having same focal length and same tony value, the one with crop would always have less toneh in actual usage.
A firmware update was made available a day after this video dropped. Have you tried giving this lens another go? It’s in my cart. Great channel by the way. Keep it up!
How can a person say "(sony) doesn't leave you at your babysitters house overnight" and make PERFECT sense?! LMAO
Here's the thing.... you own the Xt4 but not, seemingly a Sony... WHY?!?! I mean, obviously we all actually like being left overnight at the (adult) babysitter's house, but no one wants mac n cheese. Why are you living with the mac n cheese instead of Sony??!! I need real info on this before I buy.
Looking forward to that firmware update
9:47, the tree is in focus and the foliage looks amazing. That's all that matters.
Fuji Focus does freak out from time to time, but I also just recorded glorious video of a Great Blue Heron spearing a fish. At sunset.
That Gerald Undone fella did a little something on crop factor & toneh equivalent vs full frame. Watch his video & bathe in the glory of Gerald knowledge, one of the finest knowledges in north america
I think for studio recording you should choose the focus box to be in the center where your head is and pick 'Area' ,not Multi AF in video mode .Maybe ,with that option and Face detection ON ,Fuji won't hunt when you move backwards .So ,when the face detection box looses you, the focus box will quickly track you without much of a breathing.
10:00 section's Toneh is freaky like a CG background