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Eric Schon idk what there like now but my pap had a savage anschutz 22 lr from 1974 paid 800$ then formit And his freinds said he was crazy and to this day it is the most comfortable and within its capability the most accurate
Eric Schon I bought CZ 455 .22lr shooting ELEY SPORT, holds half inch at 100yds and quiet as a mouse, best hunting gun in the cupboard, my .17hmr is noisy but laser accurate at 150yds, head shoots all foxes, rim fire is great when you find the ammo that does the business!
I traded a friend a $150 scope for a mark 2 savage bolt action 17hm2 and 150 rounds of Hornady ammo about 3 years ago and it’s about a $300 gun but he couldn’t find any ammo for it but now I can get it at a local gun shop and it’s my go to for squirrel hunting
I bought a conversion for my son’s 10-22 and it could consistently put 5 shots into 1 1/4 inches at 100 yards. I’m not sure it added enough weight to the bolt though. He could really burn through the ammo with it!! 💰💰💰
I own a savage Mach 2 and it’s spent so much time in the safe cause of the inability to find ammo great to hear it coming back around will be great to get it back out lots of fun to shoot.
lol just now watching this. I got a Savage MKII in .17HM2 for graduation in 2015. i absolutely love it for small game! my longest shot on a rabbit was 218 yards, and a squirrel at 175ish, with a 4-12x50 scope. its a shame they arent as popular, but luckily some places in north alabama are beginning to keep ammo in stock!
I had an old wore out 10/22 when the 17 HM2 ammo came out. Boyd’s offered a conversion kit. I bought one and later customized my old 10/22 and converted it to a 10/17 HM2. It looks just like yours except it is red and has a stainless 0.920 twist fluted barrel. It has never been shot. I heard rumors of catastrophic failures with these conversions. All this, was covered up. Ammo manufacturers blamed the conversion manufacturers. The 17 HM2 ammo supply’s dried up over night. I am still waiting to see if the ammo brass has has been strengthened, or I need to spend another $500 to convert back. It makes a beautiful door stop. I worry someone may unknowably buy one and injure themselves. I also have a bolt action 17 HM2 and can easily see this caliber outselling the 22 in a few years. It is far more accurate and lethal to small game. Head shots on squirrels at 100+ yards is the norm.
One of the problems with the mach 2 shortly after it came out there was production problems with the ammo. The cases would crack/split at the neck. Open new box of Hornady or CCI and sometimes as many as 20 cases / box had split necks. Send back and they sent replacements only to find more. There was an annealing problem with these little bottle neck cases. Ammo I have bought in the last couple of years has been trouble free. There is still some of the old stuff around. If it is old stock Hornady check the boxes carefully for split necks. The split is very fine and will certainly show up when you shoot them.
I am currently waiting on a suitable receiver for my second 10/22 17Mach2 rifle. Can't bring myself to dismember a fine shooting .22lr. So far, the first one has worked flawlessly with just the heavier bolt charging handle. I also have two Savage bolt action rifles in Mach2; a standard and a heavy barrel waiting to be sighted in. I'm glad I bought a gob of ammo before the crunch. I think they will be great for punching ground squirrels and paper.
Great video. I didn't know the 17 mach 2 still existed. Good explanation. Nice shooting and rifle. Not sure I could find it in Anchorage if I had a rifle.
Having to order Ammo sucks but the mach2 is worth the aggravation. I have a Savage MarkII, bolt action with heavy bull barrel and it is a Tack driver out to 160 yards.
I have the PWS version of the summit action in 22. I tried putting a Magnum Research 17M2 10/22 style barrel on it. The barrel bolted right up but I couldn't get it to feed ammo out of a factory mag or any mag at all. Glad Volquartsen made it work. This is an awesome round for ground squirrels.
I just finished a Volquatrsen Summit build. I went in a different direction though. I put on a 1:7 twist barrel to shoot Aguila 60 grain SSS Sniper Subsonic through a suppressor.
@@auburnsportsmansclub5066 pretty cool. I'd like to see something higher velocity, but I'm no ballistics expert so I don't know what good such a cartridge would be.
my buddy and I got into .17 back in 2005. he has semi auto remington in .17 HMR and I have the savage in MACH 2 , we did some squirrel hunting with success!
Really enjoyed this video.I talked with Scott at Volquartsen about the upcoming 17HMR and 17WSM on the Summit platform and look forward to the day you test them as well.Keep up the great videos. Matt
The Mach 2 is under appreciated because its place is not well understood. It’ll cover about 80% of the HMR’s range for about 2/3 the cost. Factor in its lesser sound signature and you have a high performance rimfire for less cost than steel case 9mm that people have no problem buying. Once you try it, it’s easy to see its charm.
@@Dennisthemenace40 I have the CZ. Around MOA, but done to ,75 with the Eley ... which isn't made any longer. Question. Why a round with such a small velocity difference from that of the original? I'm in CA, so I am regulated to the lead-free round. So, I no longer have a choice.
@@Dennisthemenace40 thats what interests me with the 17 HM2. It is so minimal, yet so efficient. I wouldn't use it for anything beyond cottontail rabbit unless I was going for a headshot. Its quieter than the HMR and cheaper because less materials are used, but you can still effectively take out squirrels and rabbits out to at minimum, 125 yards, but you can theoretically push it to 150 with the right ammo.
Gabe Pettinicchio I assume your CZ is in 22LR, that is a fine rifle. With better than MOA accuracy and heavier bullets, the 22 is lethal at greater range than most are capable. That’s where the M2 fills in. With 25% more velocity than its progenitor it greatly flattens the trajectory of the CCI Stinger. The same velocity spread exists between the 30-30 and 300 Winchester Magnum. Except the M2 has a better BC than the Stinger making hits at distance much easier. As far as the lead free situation goes, Hornady makes the NTX 15.5 gr load that will get you through. I feel your pain as I too reside in this terribly mismanaged state. Sorry for my delayed response.
Hexonitrocubine puts out a shock wave at 10.6 km/s and has 2.38* the energy density of TNT. I'm not at all sure how you would make a gun that could use the full potential of such a explosive. But it does give a reasonable maximum upper bound.
Joey Hayes someone made a dummy round that is exactly what you described. I think he did the math and it would go about Mach 5.5 but I don’t think it’s was ever fired
I have one in a Marlin semi- auto and it is death on a squirrel a long way out. I've been picking up a box here and there of ammo, glad to see production pick back up. My gun loves the Hornady branded ammo.
This is awesome. I've been waiting for a review on volquartsen 17 mach 2. Currently own a savage mach 2 n have been tossing around the idea of getting a volquartsen barrel for it. But I can hold moa at 100yds with my 300 dollar rifle. So I guess a Boyd's at one stock will come first. Keep up the good work in them videos.
@ Tyler Snyder, I have on my cartridge collection a custom wildcat 17 DKT which the parent cartridge case is a 32 ACP. As for any bottle neck cartridge in a revolver is going to be problematic because upon firing the cartridge will set back do to case stretching and the cartridge case shoulder will hold it back against the revolver’s back plate restricting the cylinder from rotating. In affect locking up the revolver. This has been tried in the past and always had that problem. The 257 Winchester is a prime example which is a 357 Magnum necked down for a .257/25 caliber bullet.
Excellent lead-in to this round. Hadn't heard of it before this vid. The mach2 17 has been out over 15 years?? I haven't seen anyone shooting the normal 17, much less this mach2 variant. But thank you for explaining the origins. Everything we needed to know. My 2 cents since no one asked, The 22 needs to go the other way - 22TCM-style. 22 cal bullet in front of more powder, not a smaller cal in front of less.
I like my SS10/22 it’s a beautiful gun with a laminated stock. I don’t know about you but if I’m shooting groups like you was at first at 50 yards I would had followed the group on my scope settings to dead center of the group then moved the target back another 50 yards. That away at 100 yards you would be dead center of the target.
I don’t have the 17 m2 but I have heard a lot of good stuff about it I have marlin 17 hmr and I killed a 6 point with it last year and I couldn’t be more happy with it so I can’t wait to get the m2
I too thought the mach 2 was dead. I passed up a screaming deal on a nice rifle 3 years ago after i searched places online to buy ammo, and there were very few.
I've seen plenty of 17hmr at my local Academy Sports & Outdoors but I've never heard of the 17 Mach 2. I'll have to take a look. I love using my Remington Fieldmaster Pump 22 open sights.
I wish Ruger would improve & reintroduce their (10/22 style) semiautomatic rifles in the 17 mach 2. I did not know they existed until after they'd stopped production. Better yet, an AR style 17 HMR. 😉
With the 17 hmr you need to use the 20 grain controlled expanding bullets or use the 20 grain CCI FMJ. FMJs are my favorite just gotta make sure you got a back stop as with all rifles while squirrel hunting
As the barrel heated up the shots moved across I normally sight in on a cold bore for me it’s the 1st shot that counts but cool video I got a 17hmr shots rabbits out 180 meters and wild pigs out to 70m
I've always been tempted by the .17's. I'm pretty happy with my 22LR rifle though, it's hard to justify a change. Squirrel hunting is my main use for rimfire, and I can't see em to shoot them farther than 75 yards or so.
@Paul Alexander You're right about the HMR being more available. I would probably go that route. Cooking up some squirrels is almost as good as hunting them, for me though. I'd be sad if I blew them up instead of poking little holes.
I agree I love the 22lr but I also have the 17s. I shoot my hm2 almost as much as 22lr. I had an argument with my neighbor on available ammo, he says he can't find any. I ordered and had 3000rds at his door in 2 days. No more argument. Lol
@@handcannon4545 You sound like the kind of neighbor I need to get! The issue fore isn't that hm2 is impossible to find, it's just more work. I can get my hands on 22 without even trying.
@@bpoppap I don't think you can honestly argue that 17hm2 is as easy to find and plentiful as 22LR. It's just not true. Which is a shame, because it does seem like the better round.
Owning a .17 HMR I doubt if I'll being buying a .17 MACH 2. I don't think you mentioned the price of the MACH 2 ammo. I think it will be up to manufacturers of rifles whether this will take hold or go away. Volquartsen is a bit pricey for budget shooting so Mossberg, Remington and other small rifle companies may not be onboard without a solid market.
I own a 17 mach 2 made by savage. Ammo is cheaper than that of an hmr n I rarely go much beyond 100 yds with it, which is why I bought it over the hmr. Also for the price difference I was holding moa easily at 100yds with a 300 dollar rifle. Ammo is 8 bucks for 50 rnds.
Well a bit wrong. Started out with an Anschutz 1717D for the HMR when they first came out and love it as it is sub minute of squirrel at 100. And drank even more koolaid when the HM2 was introduced and grabbed a 1702D HB. which is also Sub MOA at 100. Much quieter and laser flat for Squirrel and Cottontail. While new offerings are coming available I a still working on caches of Eley M2 and older HMR that is avg 2717fps. M2 was $3.50/50 $7.00/50 for NTX
Have you ever looked at Aguila 60g 22lr I know there are 10/22 barrels available with a 1/8 twist for this ammo. This ammo is a 22 short cartridge with a 60 grain projectile that gives it the profile of a 22 long rifle it is going advertised at 850 feet per second.
slipmud84 was just thinking that- fine for target shooting when you can be moving slowly and methodically, but if you were varmint hunting, i’d probably opt for a more traditional stock.
I took about 5000 squirrels last year on the farm about 700 a day, I used my HMR it getscostly. then I bought the WSM at a few more$$, Now I have a mach2 to go try. I like them to explode as we dont eat them here. different kind. If it works well it will save me 1/2 the cost.
The only real hazard with any firearm is the owner or shooter. At the range I shoot at, the RSO's visually confirm that every shooter is behind the line and every firearm has a chamber plug before letting the firing line go cold, And no one is permitted to handle a firearm, even a cased one, on a cold firing line.
My VF Summit rifle does the same thing. It slides forward slightly, but stops at the magazine. The bolt is not physically heavy enough to even slightly nudge a round that's in the magazine. Even with an empty magazine or no magazine inserted, the bolt will not fall forward into battery.
Just think how many squirrels your grandma would have shot with a 17mach2! I have one and it used to be a little cheaper to shoot that the 17hmr but now the ammo is pretty close to the same cost as its big brother. Still a great round
Go get yourself a .17WSM and a decent scope instead of the HMR or Mach 2 if you want to have some fun at that range. I can take coyotes out to 200-300 yds easy breezy all night long.
@@mattandrews8528 can we come and spend a weekend at your place? Coyotes here in SJ, but cant use a rifle in the Socialist State of NJ in the field ! (Maybe off the back deck!)
Wonder if you'd have less horizontal stringing if you had a level on the scope... could you be tilting the rifle slightly? This exacerbates stringing as the scope is higher from the centerline of the bore. I look at the HM2 as the perfect late season squirrel cartridge, when the leaves are down and you (and the squirrels) can see further. I have a Lilja HM2 barrel for my CZ 455 American but am going to convert my Winchester/Miroku 52B to .17 HM2.
Fierce Firefly Sorry to hear that. In the States, (central California anyway) HMR is much easier to find but it’s about 50% more than Mach 2. A quick search at Sportsman’s Warehouse shows 3 different choices for the Mach 2 including a lead free option.
Back before it became impossible to get the .17 Mach II was fast developing a reputation for being the most accurate cartridge ever developed. So, if ultimate accuracy is your game it might be worth checking out!
Your barrel was obviously warm when you were zeroing. Those shots were making their way back to low center, at 50. HUGE different in POI, with barrel temperature. I hate that fact! I'm a hunter, so my first shot is always a cold bore shot. So, it's usually off a hair.
Great news about 17 Mach 2, I have a Anschutz 1502 chambered in it and have not shot it much because I was conserving the ammo I had.
Eric Schon idk what there like now but my pap had a savage anschutz 22 lr from 1974 paid 800$ then formit
And his freinds said he was crazy and to this day it is the most comfortable and within its capability the most accurate
Eric Schon I bought CZ 455 .22lr shooting ELEY SPORT, holds half inch at 100yds and quiet as a mouse, best hunting gun in the cupboard, my .17hmr is noisy but laser accurate at 150yds, head shoots all foxes, rim fire is great when you find the ammo that does the business!
Glad to hear that Mach 2 may have a life line. I think it's a good cartridge. Glad to see you showcasing it and passing along the info.
I traded a friend a $150 scope for a mark 2 savage bolt action 17hm2 and 150 rounds of Hornady ammo about 3 years ago and it’s about a $300 gun but he couldn’t find any ammo for it but now I can get it at a local gun shop and it’s my go to for squirrel hunting
Good for you!
Stonks
I did a barrel conversion and bolt in my old 10 22 and love the m2.
john McKinney sadly i sold my conversion a few years ago
I bought a conversion for my son’s 10-22 and it could consistently put 5 shots into 1 1/4 inches at 100 yards. I’m not sure it added enough weight to the bolt though. He could really burn through the ammo with it!! 💰💰💰
I own a savage Mach 2 and it’s spent so much time in the safe cause of the inability to find ammo great to hear it coming back around will be great to get it back out lots of fun to shoot.
lol just now watching this. I got a Savage MKII in .17HM2 for graduation in 2015. i absolutely love it for small game! my longest shot on a rabbit was 218 yards, and a squirrel at 175ish, with a 4-12x50 scope. its a shame they arent as popular, but luckily some places in north alabama are beginning to keep ammo in stock!
2:25 2020 heard you and said ‘Hold my beer!’
I had an old wore out 10/22 when the 17 HM2 ammo came out. Boyd’s offered a conversion kit. I bought one and later customized my old 10/22 and converted it to a 10/17 HM2. It looks just like yours except it is red and has a stainless 0.920 twist fluted barrel. It has never been shot. I heard rumors of catastrophic failures with these conversions. All this, was covered up. Ammo manufacturers blamed the conversion manufacturers. The 17 HM2 ammo supply’s dried up over night. I am still waiting to see if the ammo brass has has been strengthened, or I need to spend another $500 to convert back. It makes a beautiful door stop. I worry someone may unknowably buy one and injure themselves. I also have a bolt action 17 HM2 and can easily see this caliber outselling the 22 in a few years. It is far more accurate and lethal to small game. Head shots on squirrels at 100+ yards is the norm.
One of the problems with the mach 2 shortly after it came out there was production problems with the ammo. The cases would crack/split at the neck. Open new box of Hornady or CCI and sometimes as many as 20 cases / box had split necks. Send back and they sent replacements only to find more. There was an annealing problem with these little bottle neck cases. Ammo I have bought in the last couple of years has been trouble free. There is still some of the old stuff around. If it is old stock Hornady check the boxes carefully for split necks. The split is very fine and will certainly show up when you shoot them.
I am currently waiting on a suitable receiver for my second 10/22 17Mach2 rifle. Can't bring myself to dismember a fine shooting .22lr. So far, the first one has worked flawlessly with just the heavier bolt charging handle. I also have two Savage bolt action rifles in Mach2; a standard and a heavy barrel waiting to be sighted in. I'm glad I bought a gob of ammo before the crunch. I think they will be great for punching ground squirrels and paper.
Great video. I didn't know the 17 mach 2 still existed. Good explanation.
Nice shooting and rifle. Not sure I could find it in Anchorage if I had a rifle.
Having to order Ammo sucks but the mach2 is worth the aggravation. I have a Savage MarkII, bolt action with heavy bull barrel and it is a Tack driver out to 160 yards.
Alaskan Ballistics nice channel
@@seagullboi7423 thank you sir... trying to improve
@@dspencer1969 can't order online to Alaska
Im n8ive Alaskan
Finally, really enjoyed shooting my Mach2/HM2. Glad they are making them again.
I love this rifle....it's the ultimate rifle ! Volquartson has the right team member with 22plinkster....he's the man ........💿
I have the PWS version of the summit action in 22. I tried putting a Magnum Research 17M2 10/22 style barrel on it. The barrel bolted right up but I couldn't get it to feed ammo out of a factory mag or any mag at all. Glad Volquartsen made it work. This is an awesome round for ground squirrels.
I just finished a Volquatrsen Summit build. I went in a different direction though. I put on a 1:7 twist barrel to shoot Aguila 60 grain SSS Sniper Subsonic through a suppressor.
Just imagine a .32 short necked down to .17 , that would be a pretty cool high velocity round for pocket revolvers.
@@auburnsportsmansclub5066 pretty cool.
I'd like to see something higher velocity, but I'm no ballistics expert so I don't know what good such a cartridge would be.
my buddy and I got into .17 back in 2005. he has semi auto remington in .17 HMR and I have the savage in MACH 2 , we did some squirrel hunting with success!
Really enjoyed this video.I talked with Scott at Volquartsen about the upcoming 17HMR and 17WSM on the Summit platform and look forward to the day you test them as well.Keep up the great videos.
Matt
Now we need a .22 short necked down to .17
Why? The mach 2 flopped.
The Mach 2 is under appreciated because its place is not well understood. It’ll cover about 80% of the HMR’s range for about 2/3 the cost. Factor in its lesser sound signature and you have a high performance rimfire for less cost than steel case 9mm that people have no problem buying. Once you try it, it’s easy to see its charm.
@@Dennisthemenace40 I have the CZ. Around MOA, but done to ,75 with the Eley ... which isn't made any longer.
Question. Why a round with such a small velocity difference from that of the original? I'm in CA, so I am regulated to the lead-free round. So, I no longer have a choice.
@@Dennisthemenace40 thats what interests me with the 17 HM2. It is so minimal, yet so efficient. I wouldn't use it for anything beyond cottontail rabbit unless I was going for a headshot.
Its quieter than the HMR and cheaper because less materials are used, but you can still effectively take out squirrels and rabbits out to at minimum, 125 yards, but you can theoretically push it to 150 with the right ammo.
Gabe Pettinicchio
I assume your CZ is in 22LR, that is a fine rifle. With better than MOA accuracy and heavier bullets, the 22 is lethal at greater range than most are capable. That’s where the M2 fills in. With 25% more velocity than its progenitor it greatly flattens the trajectory of the CCI Stinger. The same velocity spread exists between the 30-30 and 300 Winchester Magnum. Except the M2 has a better BC than the Stinger making hits at distance much easier. As far as the lead free situation goes, Hornady makes the NTX 15.5 gr load that will get you through. I feel your pain as I too reside in this terribly mismanaged state. Sorry for my delayed response.
Love your video;s you are very professional, I love my 22 rimfires
Regards from Australia
I want to see a 12.7x99 Shell necked all the way down to the .17 projectile just to see how fast it’ll go
It'd probably just blow apart
They have chopped down, and knecked down a big bore like that to a 5.56.. And its around 5k fps.. It's insane. But erratic in terms of accuracy..
Hexonitrocubine puts out a shock wave at 10.6 km/s and has 2.38* the energy density of TNT. I'm not at all sure how you would make a gun that could use the full potential of such a explosive. But it does give a reasonable maximum upper bound.
Joey Hayes someone made a dummy round that is exactly what you described. I think he did the math and it would go about Mach 5.5 but I don’t think it’s was ever fired
I have one in a Marlin semi- auto and it is death on a squirrel a long way out. I've been picking up a box here and there of ammo, glad to see production pick back up. My gun loves the Hornady branded ammo.
Love the Mach 2 it is a squirrel 🐿 burner!!
This is awesome. I've been waiting for a review on volquartsen 17 mach 2. Currently own a savage mach 2 n have been tossing around the idea of getting a volquartsen barrel for it. But I can hold moa at 100yds with my 300 dollar rifle. So I guess a Boyd's at one stock will come first. Keep up the good work in them videos.
I'd not heard of the 17 Mach 2, makes sense for small game hunting though. Cool! Thanks Plinkster!
I always thought that if the 17 Mach 2 was released before the 17 HMR that it would of been more popular then 17 HMR.
Action is reminiscent of actions used in olympics. Nice shooting!
"Minute of Squirrel" 😂
move177 As soon as I heard that, I came to the comments to look for it.
That is by far one of the prettiest rifles I have ever seen.
@ Tyler Snyder,
I have on my cartridge collection a custom wildcat 17 DKT which the parent cartridge case is a 32 ACP.
As for any bottle neck cartridge in a revolver is going to be problematic because upon firing the cartridge will set back do to case stretching and the cartridge case shoulder will hold it back against the revolver’s back plate restricting the cylinder from rotating. In affect locking up the revolver. This has been tried in the past and always had that problem. The 257 Winchester is a prime example which is a 357 Magnum necked down for a .257/25 caliber bullet.
Excellent lead-in to this round. Hadn't heard of it before this vid. The mach2 17 has been out over 15 years?? I haven't seen anyone shooting the normal 17, much less this mach2 variant. But thank you for explaining the origins. Everything we needed to know.
My 2 cents since no one asked, The 22 needs to go the other way - 22TCM-style. 22 cal bullet in front of more powder, not a smaller cal in front of less.
I like my SS10/22 it’s a beautiful gun with a laminated stock. I don’t know about you but if I’m shooting groups like you was at first at 50 yards I would had followed the group on my scope settings to dead center of the group then moved the target back another 50 yards. That away at 100 yards you would be dead center of the target.
Swap your mounts out and your groups will certainly tighten up I could see you adjust very slightly for the scope
Love your vids keep them coming 👍
Beautiful stock on that rifle
I am currently waiting on a barrel for my 10/22 17 hm2 conversion I am excited will add results once I've got it all together
That Stock is so beautiful
I don’t have the 17 m2 but I have heard a lot of good stuff about it I have marlin 17 hmr and I killed a 6 point with it last year and I couldn’t be more happy with it so I can’t wait to get the m2
I too thought the mach 2 was dead. I passed up a screaming deal on a nice rifle 3 years ago after i searched places online to buy ammo, and there were very few.
I remember seeing tons of Mach 2 everywhere when it first came out. I always wondered what happened to it!
I like the info / facts .. not all of us are rifle Genius, nerds, pro.
MAKING MACH 2 GREAT AGAIN! I have one of these lets get hats!!
I have the Savage version. Use it for Chiselers in Wyoming. Lots of fun as long as it's not windy.
I've seen plenty of 17hmr at my local Academy Sports & Outdoors but I've never heard of the 17 Mach 2. I'll have to take a look. I love using my Remington Fieldmaster Pump 22 open sights.
wiki arms is your friend. I heard ammo is hard to find. but look on there and you will find plenty of online vendors.
I wish Ruger would improve & reintroduce their (10/22 style) semiautomatic rifles in the 17 mach 2. I did not know they existed until after they'd stopped production. Better yet, an AR style 17 HMR. 😉
Thank you for all your efforts!
Great video, we need more mach 2 videos :) :)
With the 17 hmr you need to use the 20 grain controlled expanding bullets or use the 20 grain CCI FMJ.
FMJs are my favorite just gotta make sure you got a back stop as with all rifles while squirrel hunting
17hmr is my absolute favorite cartirdge. I had converted a 10/22 into 17m2 years ago and couldent find it anywhere and sold the conversion kit
Wiki arms. You can find alot of different ammo's on there and from multiple venues
As the barrel heated up the shots moved across I normally sight in on a cold bore for me it’s the 1st shot that counts but cool video I got a 17hmr shots rabbits out 180 meters and wild pigs out to 70m
Best squirrel round there is IMO.
I've always been tempted by the .17's. I'm pretty happy with my 22LR rifle though, it's hard to justify a change. Squirrel hunting is my main use for rimfire, and I can't see em to shoot them farther than 75 yards or so.
@Paul Alexander You're right about the HMR being more available. I would probably go that route. Cooking up some squirrels is almost as good as hunting them, for me though. I'd be sad if I blew them up instead of poking little holes.
I agree I love the 22lr but I also have the 17s. I shoot my hm2 almost as much as 22lr. I had an argument with my neighbor on available ammo, he says he can't find any. I ordered and had 3000rds at his door in 2 days. No more argument. Lol
@@handcannon4545 You sound like the kind of neighbor I need to get! The issue fore isn't that hm2 is impossible to find, it's just more work. I can get my hands on 22 without even trying.
It's not hard to find and is quite reasonable. 17 HMR is too powerful for small game under 150 yards.
@@bpoppap I don't think you can honestly argue that 17hm2 is as easy to find and plentiful as 22LR. It's just not true. Which is a shame, because it does seem like the better round.
Thanks again for another great review, I am ordering one asap to go with my other rimfires.
Nice video - neat little round - I remember seeing a Mach 2 rifle in 2013 for a deal but knowing no one would carry ammo for or - gave it a pass
Great video. Neat little round. Like a lot of people I had really never heard of it. Really like all of your videos. Keep up the good work.
Nice rifle. Makes me long for a .22 FX Impact. You’d get the same groups or better with less legal hassle.
Thanks for your time.
Great job Plinkster! Always look for to your reviews!
Owning a .17 HMR I doubt if I'll being buying a .17 MACH 2. I don't think you mentioned the price of the MACH 2 ammo. I think it will be up to manufacturers of rifles whether this will take hold or go away. Volquartsen is a bit pricey for budget shooting so Mossberg, Remington and other small rifle companies may not be onboard without a solid market.
I own a 17 mach 2 made by savage. Ammo is cheaper than that of an hmr n I rarely go much beyond 100 yds with it, which is why I bought it over the hmr. Also for the price difference I was holding moa easily at 100yds with a 300 dollar rifle. Ammo is 8 bucks for 50 rnds.
@@delwynlehman8264 Thanks! .17 HMR is about $12 a box of 50 so pretty close.
@@ckim6400 yea OK. Back when I bought the mach 2 the hmr ammo was 16 to 20 bucks for 50. Good to know it came back down.
It's going for $7.50 - $8.50 per 50.
Well a bit wrong. Started out with an Anschutz 1717D for the HMR when they first came out and love it as it is sub minute of squirrel at 100. And drank even more koolaid when the HM2 was introduced and grabbed a 1702D HB. which is also Sub MOA at 100. Much quieter and laser flat for Squirrel and Cottontail. While new offerings are coming available I a still working on caches of Eley M2 and older HMR that is avg 2717fps. M2 was $3.50/50 $7.00/50 for NTX
That rifle is gorgeous
“Minute of Squirrel” needs to be a ‘Cooking with Plinkster’ episode. :-)
You have great vids 22P. But the MACH 2 is a solution
looking for a problem.
I think he was just happy to have some new content, lol
Have you ever looked at Aguila 60g 22lr I know there are 10/22 barrels available with a 1/8 twist for this ammo. This ammo is a 22 short cartridge with a 60 grain projectile that gives it the profile of a 22 long rifle it is going advertised at 850 feet per second.
Very nice rig. Looks like a lot of fun.
Mine came in today supper happy to get one.
Great video as always! I really like that style of bolt action but I'm not sure that thumb hole stock is a great match for it. Just my opinion.
slipmud84 was just thinking that- fine for target shooting when you can be moving slowly and methodically, but if you were varmint hunting, i’d probably opt for a more traditional stock.
Great video. Been adding a lot of rimfire rifles to my collection. Thanks to you 😁
Btw if anyone wants to know, around 5:30 is when he starts to shoot
I took about 5000 squirrels last year on the farm about 700 a day, I used my HMR it getscostly. then I bought the WSM at a few more$$, Now I have a mach2 to go try. I like them to explode as we dont eat them here. different kind. If it works well it will save me 1/2 the cost.
awesome good morning everyone
Great video I never heard of the 17 mach 2 until I saw this video
Where has your channel been all my life?!!
Yes, MAKE MACH 2 GREAT AGAIN!!!
17 mach2 is a headshot only round for food animals .
It fragments severely.
Purchased Savage A17 HM2 Semi for grouse headshot and plinking. 🇨🇦👍
Cries in current ammo shortage
Always a great honest video!
I like the idea only problem is crnt do suppressed subsonic so guess just stick with 22lr
Thanks for the video man I bought them thanking the where 17hmr ammo lol I didn't no what they much appreciated for the info I want one now lmao
The straight pull bolt is nice, with the exception that it doesn't stay open once pulled to the rear, seems like a bit of a hazard to me.
The staff at my range wouldn't appreciate it one bit.
The only real hazard with any firearm is the owner or shooter. At the range I shoot at, the RSO's visually confirm that every shooter is behind the line and every firearm has a chamber plug before letting the firing line go cold, And no one is permitted to handle a firearm, even a cased one, on a cold firing line.
My VF Summit rifle does the same thing. It slides forward slightly, but stops at the magazine. The bolt is not physically heavy enough to even slightly nudge a round that's in the magazine. Even with an empty magazine or no magazine inserted, the bolt will not fall forward into battery.
Also last dove season I busted one at 220 yards (rangefindered) with my savage A17
Just think how many squirrels your grandma would have shot with a 17mach2! I have one and it used to be a little cheaper to shoot that the 17hmr but now the ammo is pretty close to the same cost as its big brother. Still a great round
Let's see what this can do at 200 & 250 even 300 yards... just for the hell of it....
Go get yourself a .17WSM and a decent scope instead of the HMR or Mach 2 if you want to have some fun at that range. I can take coyotes out to 200-300 yds easy breezy all night long.
Matt Andrews I just got my .17 WSM and I love it
Itll do all of that. 😁 dont ask me how i know.
@@mattandrews8528 can we come and spend a weekend at your place? Coyotes here in SJ, but cant use a rifle in the Socialist State of NJ in the field ! (Maybe off the back deck!)
So could you shoot those out of a standard ruger 10/22 American since they fit in the magazine????
Great video and nice accuracy
22pangster. I know it's 22plinkster but I call him 22pangster
Well the “rim fire shortage no longer exists” comment didn’t age well - less than one year after this video there is no ammo on the shelves
Great review Dave.
How do I get a job shooting rim fire guns lol? Great as always Plinkster. Keep up the great work!
Love the video, I hope PETA does not harrass you.
No one cares what PETA thinks
Wonder if you'd have less horizontal stringing if you had a level on the scope... could you be tilting the rifle slightly? This exacerbates stringing as the scope is higher from the centerline of the bore.
I look at the HM2 as the perfect late season squirrel cartridge, when the leaves are down and you (and the squirrels) can see further. I have a Lilja HM2 barrel for my CZ 455 American but am going to convert my Winchester/Miroku 52B to .17 HM2.
Nice looking rifle.
MACH 2 cost more the 17hmr here in oz and 80% harder to find
Fierce Firefly
Sorry to hear that. In the States, (central California anyway) HMR is much easier to find but it’s about 50% more than Mach 2. A quick search at Sportsman’s Warehouse shows 3 different choices for the Mach 2 including a lead free option.
Back before it became impossible to get the .17 Mach II was fast developing a reputation for being the most accurate cartridge ever developed. So, if ultimate accuracy is your game it might be worth checking out!
Pretty sure most accurate ever goes to one of the 6.5 rounds.
Minute of Squirrel 🤣🤣🤣🤣 EDIT: should have known someone else caught that🤣🤣🤣
*That's a very nice video... an excellent job..! ( kassiman )*
Your barrel was obviously warm when you were zeroing. Those shots were making their way back to low center, at 50. HUGE different in POI, with barrel temperature. I hate that fact! I'm a hunter, so my first shot is always a cold bore shot. So, it's usually off a hair.
Nicely done!
Beautiful rifle!
Beautiful rifle Sir....
That was a sorry group... out of a target rimfire. In 2002 the guns in that Mach 2 mopped up.
Very Cool rifle Sir !!!!!!!!!!!