So difficult to even attempt words here, so tragic. Can anyone imagine a "truth" that's so insular, shallow, capricious, and fragile to demand this type of allegiance?
Thank you Ian -- and JWs think every Christian denomination demands this kind of allegiance -- the Org's power and authority over their followers is unknown to most Christians. Org truly does "lord it over" their followers. The test of loyalty for JWs is to the Org NOT God and Christ.
First of all,my sincere condolences for your loss Vivian. Losing parents under "normal circumstances" is difficult enough,let alone the unbearable burden that watchtower places upon those who leave and how that literally tears families apart by unscriptual separation. I pray our Lord comforts you and that you feel His peace during this time of grief. May the Holy Spirit surround your family and lift you up by knowing that every injustice will be made just, and the pain you feel today cannot extinguish the eternal hope that Christ has put in your heart. Much love to you David and Max.🙏🙏🙏
I'm sorry Vivian. I feel your pain and I understand it as well. My father too, wasn't around either for my Child. She met him 2x when she was very small. He too died this past January. The organization stole my father from me as well. So I feel your pain and I cry with you. When I lost my son, he wasn't there to comfort me. When I lost my mother he did not comfort me. When I lost my marriage, he did not comfort me. My heavenly father did. And I poured my heart out to the Creator and he comforted me. May you too come to know the comfort from the Creator, just as I have. I love you my sis. And I send my comfort just as the Father does.
Hello Martin -- thank you for sharing your situation -- so like my own. I too have found my comfort in my heavenly Father. David, Max are of great comfort to me as well and we have been blessed with a host of Christian friends over our many years out of the Watchtower. I hope you have found fellowship within the body of Christ. We would welcome getting to know you -- our email is dvmapologia@gmail.com
Thank you -- yes our heavenly Father is a good God -- full of mercy, patience and grace. Through His Son he has pursued all. "There was the true light, even the light which lighteth every man, coming into the world." John 1:9 ASV
I’m so very sorry Vivian, Sending Love n Light your way ❤️😢 I’m am so glad that I found ones like you n Dave to learn more n too have my eyes being opened now, This is heartbreaking 💔
I recall Christ on the cross and Stephen as he was being stoned saying "Forgive them for they know not what they do" and as hard as that may be to do -- I remember I was once one of them and needed to be wakened.
This kind of pain has no real definition. ALL cults (and even those who come out of a cult and start their own!) inflict damage to all of the community of man. Your interpretation , my interpretation, his or hers, its all about power.
Mi hermana me conmovió profundamente su situación por favor tenga mi mas sentido pésame por la perdida de su papá yo soy ex testigo toda mi vida creyendo que esa era la única religión verdadera casi al acercarme a los 50 años me percate de el desapego tan grande con toda mi familia por qué ellos no son testigos muchos de mis tíos y mis abuelos ya están muertos ya no hay manera de recuperar el tiempo perdido eso me causo mucha tristeza y fue alguna de las cosas que me ayudaron a despertar tenga usted todo mi cariño desde Tampico México ❤❤❤
So sorry fot your loss. Maybe one day all of us will realize we really are ALL in this together. We treat each other in the most horrific ways,only to prove WHAT? Our god more powerful than yours. All that time we spend putting dogma ahead of people will never be recovered. As the Kingston Trio put in a song, "When will we ever learn"?
So sorry for your loss, truly death is an enemy and will be gone one day. With God's grace from our lord may give you strength and in time remembering good times you had with your dad and times to come 🙏
Thank you Marty -- I loved my dad and I have many good memories of my childhood and youth. I do not doubt he loved me but he trusted the Org as having "truth" and "authority".
Yes V. We lose our families to WT, and like all humans, then they and eventually we, die. Such is the cycle of life as sinners. You mention that we pray our families can have a real awakening in the Spirit of God and Christ. We sure hope for that, do we not? Much love to you and David, and Max.
I'm very sorry for all of your losses. I've experienced a lot of loss too but only through death never based on shunning. That is an added burden that no one should have to bear and one I can't possibly understand. I'm sorry for the recent loss of your father Vivian. I lost my father a few years ago and the loss never goes away. My father was a wonderful person in every way, but what I miss most about him was his wisdom and spiritual knowledge. He was my rock and my go to for Biblical questions and advice and I'm sure your father was yours too until your right to have him in your life was unjustly taken away from you. I can't even imagine what it would be like to be deprived of him for 36 years. It's unimaginable and I'm truly sorry for your immense loss. I see and feel your pain. Hugs!
Thank you for your kind words. When we left the WT I had discovered the truth about the WT's history which disillusioned me about trusting the religion I had believe was "the truth" but couldn't be honest about it's own history -- which you can check. This lead David and I to check everything taught by the WT in the way of doctrines. My first discovery was they were not preaching the good news of the New Testament which Paul says is the only saving message! Which Paul also says to preach another gospel would curse you. (1 Cor 15:1-11; Gal 1:8,9) I tried to share some of these discoveries with my dad and family before being cut off. It is truly sad that one is cut off from speaking about the most important part of one's life with their loved ones? Why should one be in fear of speaking about God and Scripture with anyone let alone their child who has always shown love and respect for the Word? It was Jesus that had words of everlasting life and became my rock. We have done a video about this: "What JW.ORG is not telling you about the GOOD NEWS -- The Apostles' SAVING Gospel" th-cam.com/video/YTVgR1wVIdI/w-d-xo.html
@@davidvivianaspinall3498 Thank you, Vivian, I will check it out. I'm so sorry that you were prohibited from sharing the reasons why you left the organization with your family, it's so unfair. In fact, unfair doesn't even do justice to what happened to you. It's unconscionable, it's cruel. it's devastating, it's torture, it's a complete cheat of your right to enjoy your own family, honestly words aren't enough to describe it. It's the complete opposite of Free Will and you were left out to dry without any closure. My dad was an elder for many years and a good one, but I don't see him cutting me off like that if put to the test. Maybe because he might have been slowly waking up on his own. The last few years of his life he basically became bedridden due to a back problem. So he would read the Bible for hours every day. He was intellectually gifted and analytical. I remember one day he said to me that he felt the organization had it wrong concerning resurrected ones and the fact that they couldn't marry. He felt it pertained to the heavenly class, but of course, he was basing it on Watchtower doctrine. It also could have partly been wishful thinking because my mom had died and he wanted to be reunited with her. Then one day he took me by surprise by saying in a bewildered sort of way, "It has to be the truth, what else is there?" I remember thinking he's having doubts which was shocking and so out of character for him. This was back in 2009 maybe, then he died in 2010 over a hospital error. It wasn't until I started to wake up in 2018, that I looked back on my dad's words in retrospect, and realized he was having his own doubts, I suspect he was waking up, although he never verbalized it beyond what I just said. I'd give anything to have even one day with him again to discuss all that has transpired and get his take on it. So I feel for you and what you are going through. Neither one of us were able to get any real closure on the matter, and your situation is especially heartbreaking and unfair. It's truly a travesty. 💔 PS I can't remember the year I started to wake-up, it was slow, very slow, but I do remember the final straw. It was the "overlapping generations" doctrine. When I heard it I couldn't believe it, that's when I knew it was over. I suddenly realized they had just bought themselves an infinite amount of time and everything I had believed in was crushed in that instant. Much of my father's faith in the organization and mine was hinged on the chronology between 607 BCE, 539 BCE, and 1914. It seemed fail proof and proof positive at the time. How I would love to revisit it with him again based on what I know now.
Dear Vivian, we are so sorry to hear of your father's passing. Sending big hugs 🫂 your way. May the God of all comfort be with you and comfort you and your family in the days ahead.
So sorry for your lost Vivian. I can never imagine not speaking to my parents. They’ve both died and missed them everyday. My dad was never a JW. Only my mom. She died before I woke up and I often wondered if she would’ve shunned me had she being alive. Lots of love to you, David and Max.
I am SO VERY SORRY, Vivian for your loss❤❤❤ I know we here, who have been with you virtually, carry your family in our hearts and wish we could actually be there and comfort you. You have a right to express your grief since the JW rules impeded them through their horrible doctrines…
Thank you for your understanding words. It was a difficult video to do but I hope it informs the public about JW.org and hopefully wakens some to the results of such policies on people's lives. Who will do this?
I’m so sorry Vivian😢I lost my mum recently who always continued to speak to us, my sister and me, but the brothers told her that she was an obstacle to the spirit of God in the assembly. From France.
That was a gesture of love and courage not to be guilted into doing something unchristian. God bless her. I take comfort in knowing God observes each person's efforts to conform to His standards -- especially when unpopular in their circles.
Yes sadly JW’s will always jump on the chance to call something persecution. I am so sorry for your loss Vivian 😢I try to take comfort in the bible says that the former things won’t come to mind. That we will not have mourning anymore. It’s hard for me to grasp that but I know it has to be true ❤️🙏🏻
Thank you Veronica -- I take comfort in the knowledge that God loves more than I do. He is good and just. The way I see and understand things are from a frail human point of view. I have been helped by thoughts on judgment presented by CS Lewis and the Apostle Paul -- discussed in this video: "As Jehovah's Witnesses, we did NOT leave judgment to God. ONLY God qualified to judge lives, hearts" th-cam.com/video/vvK6oMu-8MY/w-d-xo.html
I’m so sorry Vivian 😢sending you so much love ❤ unlike you when my dad died suddenly I was not excluded, and my mum has not ostracised me, although I am not disfellowshipped so that may make a difference. Anyway I’m thinking of you with so much love ❤️
So sorry Viv... cults are expert in splitting people up, so very sorry but please know you have people you have never even met who have an abundance of love for you, I will be praying GOD comfort you... My heart goes out to you and my prayers will go up nightly... GOD Bless you and keep you ..❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thank you so much for your loving words and prayers for me. Please also send up some prayers for JWs deprived of the gospel message of Christ as the only Redeemer through his death, burial and resurrection for all us sinners! Thank you dear friend.
I will keep you all in my prayers, as regards hour loss, your grief and also the remaining JW family members hopefully “waking up.” You have SOOO helped me in my post leaving JW issues. You are dear people to us, do not deserve to be treated as you have by the indoctrinated family. I remember Marc and Cora did a video, Cora mentioned losing her mom and that same type issue happened. My heart goes out to you, and I know your husband and son too, it hurts them. Praying for you all🙏
gosh...this made me tear up...i know it is not much of a comfort ,but my heart really goes out for you...i wish i could give you at least a real hug...my family got ripped apart many years ago too...and my father passed away last month...i am very sorry for your loss Vivian..you are such a humble mild and wonderful person.. If any who like to call themselves Jehovahs vitness happend to read this...please take a second and think about this : am i a real follower of Jesus if i hate ore do anything harmful to another human?...Jesus said : "But i say unto you,Love your enemies,bless them that curse you,do good to them that hate you,and pray for them witch despitefully use you,and persecute you." (Matt.5:44 kjv )...Jesus also said this : " In vain do they worship me,teaching as doctrines the commandments of men".( Matt.15:9 ESV )....If you really follow Jesus and not men...then you will live by the so called golden rule...(Matt.7:12) we do not need any other rules...ore will you rather turn your back on Jesus and continue to follow the many rules and doctrines of men?
Thank you for you kind words and thoughtful message. So many with similar heartaches among us. Sorry to hear of your loss. If you ever wish to contact us directly our email is dvmapologia@gmail.com
Yes many suffering and yet many also awakening. I pray they discover they have misplaced their faith but also pray they find to whom they should place their faith in.
Y enjugara Dios toda lagrima de los ojos de ellos;y ya no habrá muerte,ni habrá mas llanto,ni clamor,ni dolor; porque las primeras cosas pasaron Apocalipsis 21;4 Fortalezas a ti y tu familia Vivian 🤝
My heart breaks for you and I think of mine as well. It is a painful time that I dread for my self. So much lost time and life not lived well. I cried for you.
Thank you -- we likewise, send our love and will prayer for you and the many hurting exJWs. We hope you have some supportive fellowship -- our email is dvmapologia@gmail.com
I am very sorry and I will pray for you both and your work. After thirty years I left the JW because of their unbiblical theology and am an evangelical Christian now. My wife is still in. We have a great marriage, we care for each other and live in peace and love. My mother in law is a 100% JW. For her, I am possessed by demons and worse than child abusers. I don’t blame her for that. She stroke me out. This is what the organization does with people who understand the Bible differently than they do.
Thank you for sharing -- so glad to hear you are a Christian and have retained peace in your marriage. We will pray for your family. Your prayers mean so much to us.
I am so sorry, Vivian. I am so sorry. I will be keeping you in my prayers today and in future. I hope you can feel the hugs coming your way.❤️🩹❤️🩹❤️🩹
So sorry for your loss, Vivian. I lost my mother back in 2008, and at that time we were both JWs. Now as an exjw and now a born again Christian, I wonder about her fate, indeed all sincere JWs who have been led astray. I can only trust in God's just, righteous judgement. And so can you.
Thank you David. I too dreaded the moment I would hear of the death of any of my loved ones still in the Org. You might find comfort in this video: "As Jehovah's Witnesses, we did NOT leave judgment to God. ONLY God qualified to judge lives, hearts" th-cam.com/video/vvK6oMu-8MY/w-d-xo.html
One thing I have observed is, I had many milestones while I was still “in good standing“ and doing “everything right“ and not a one of those people could be happy for us. And that includes all of my JW relatives. So being part of watchtower, no one celebrated anything worth celebrating with us. Instead, they would poop in the pool. I’m glad now you have people around you sending you condolences from their heart and I hope you can feel the love.
Yes, it’s actually too late when we will hear our jw family or relative had passed away. Couldn’t say we loved them or a goodbye😢Imagine even a worldly ones (like old time acquaintances or coworkers) who doesn’t have religious beliefs or in different religion can or are welcomed to visit to comfort the JWs (when sick) they know, BUT us that left for not agreeing Org beliefs are NOT allowed😮what a nonsense!
I am so sorry for the pain you are feeling as you mourn the loss of your father without the comfort of love from your siblings and your mom. It is a very cruel organization that would indoctrinate its members to treat their own sibling or child as if she was a demonized, toxic person and shun her because she has read her Bible and has come to see that Watchtower teaches a false Gospel. I am with you in hoping and praying that your family members will also read their Bibles as you have and compare the Gospel taught by Watchtower with what they read at 1Cor. 15:1-6 or the book of Acts. We who are your friends, see how much you long to share the real Good News with your dear family . Our loving Heavenly Father certainly sees this too. Our prayers for your strength and comfort are going up to God for you, David, and Max, but also for your mum and siblings. Thank you, Vivian, for the ways you have helped others to have a safe place to build new friendships and to get to know our loving God better after leaving Watchtower. The ministry of the Aspinall Family has made such a difference in our experience with leaving Watchtower in search of truth. May God be with you as you grieve the death of your father even as you continue to grieve the loss of people still living. We love you, Vivian ❤
If nothing else it showcases how evil and uncaring that religion is. And if nothing it epitomises who they really serve and follow ! Can you imagine the true God or His Son ever acting in such a way ? Jesus showed us The Father in his parable of the Prodigal Son ! May The God of all comfort comfort you in your time of grief.❤
C'est tellement triste ! Tu as préféré Dieu aux hommes, tu en as perdu ta famille. Que Christ et son Père te consolent. Je partage ton émotion. Un jour ton père sera fière de toi. Bon courage
13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 1 Thessalonians 4:12,13.
I'm so sorry I just lost my sister. She was in that religion as well, one that came by would not even look at my neice who had been disfellowshipped years ago. Came into her own house and would not speak to her Brought her sister food, made sure to tell her it was for her . Now how did that represent Christ?
Sorry to hear of your loss Linda. The Apostle Paul describes God as "Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our affliction so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any affliction with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God." (2 Cor 1:1-3) We will pray for your comfort. Do you have a community of support Linda? Our email is dvmapologia@gmail.com
Please accept my heartfelt condolences. So sorry for the loss of your father, child and so much of which violence was perpetrated against you and your family by the wt Dictatorship over Jws. May our Father in Heaven comfort you and your family who practice love.
I’m so sorry Vivian. That organization has done so much damage, calling it ‘love!’
Thank you. Your kindness is appreciated!
I am so sorry for your loss Vivian. JWs are so tenacious. This religion must fall.
Thank you -- may we be there to pick up the broken
I am sorry to hear about the loss of your father, and even more sorry to hear that you grieved alone. My heartfelt condolences to you.
By the way, thank you for sharing your sad story with your viewers.
Thank you George -- appreciate your kindness.
My sincere condolences. He’s in God’s hands. Much love to you.
Thank you very much
My condolences 😔
Thank you
So difficult to even attempt words here, so tragic. Can anyone imagine a "truth" that's so insular, shallow, capricious, and fragile to demand this type of allegiance?
Thank you Ian -- and JWs think every Christian denomination demands this kind of allegiance -- the Org's power and authority over their followers is unknown to most Christians. Org truly does "lord it over" their followers. The test of loyalty for JWs is to the Org NOT God and Christ.
First of all,my sincere condolences for your loss Vivian.
Losing parents under "normal circumstances" is difficult enough,let alone the unbearable burden that watchtower places upon those who leave and how that literally tears families apart by unscriptual separation.
I pray our Lord comforts you and that you feel His peace during this time of grief.
May the Holy Spirit surround your family and lift you up by knowing that every injustice will be made just, and the pain you feel today cannot extinguish the eternal hope that Christ has put in your heart.
Much love to you David and Max.🙏🙏🙏
Thank you Jeff for your kind and comforting words.
No words can say what you are feeling at this point, I just want to offer you my condolences.
Thank you
So very sorry for your loss, Vivian. Terrible situation.
Thank you Beverly
Blessings and My Condolences To You, Vivian.❤
Thank you
So sorry. Understand all too well your position. May God bless.
Thank you
So sorry for your loss ❤🙏
Thank you very much. I appreciate your prayers.
I am so sorry. 😢 big hugs 🫂
Thank you
I am so so sorry for the loss of your dad. May whatever little memory you have of him be a blessing 🙌 Be strong 💪 ❤🙏
Thank you for your kind words
So sorry friend.
I pray the Comforter come to you.
Thank you -- He is my Comforter
I'm sorry Vivian. I feel your pain and I understand it as well. My father too, wasn't around either for my Child. She met him 2x when she was very small. He too died this past January. The organization stole my father from me as well. So I feel your pain and I cry with you. When I lost my son, he wasn't there to comfort me. When I lost my mother he did not comfort me. When I lost my marriage, he did not comfort me. My heavenly father did. And I poured my heart out to the Creator and he comforted me. May you too come to know the comfort from the Creator, just as I have. I love you my sis. And I send my comfort just as the Father does.
Hello Martin -- thank you for sharing your situation -- so like my own. I too have found my comfort in my heavenly Father. David, Max are of great comfort to me as well and we have been blessed with a host of Christian friends over our many years out of the Watchtower. I hope you have found fellowship within the body of Christ. We would welcome getting to know you -- our email is dvmapologia@gmail.com
Oh my goodness. So sad. I pray that this video will wake many up. God bless you Vivian. ❤
Thank you -- yes let's all keeping praying for awakening among JWs!
My condolences to you. I am truly sorry for your loss.
Thank you
We love you Vivian ❤🙏
So sorry for your loss.
Thank you -- we have received so much love and support!
Sincere heartfelt condolences dear Vivian ..hugs 😢
I thank you.
My deepest condolences Sister.(Belgium).❤️
Thank you
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I’m so very sorry Vivian.. my heart breaks for you and all of us who have lost family and friends to that organization..❤
Thank you -- yes the story is multiplied many times over.
Your grief is profound. I wish you peace.
Thank you
Im sorry lil kid, its horrible... we are all lil kids and this situation makes it worse. Love you, and hang in there.Im in the same situation...
Thank you. If you ever wish to contact us directly our email is dvmapologia@gmail.com
Unimaginably painful Vivian. Thanks for sharing. "Shall not the Judge of all the Earth do right" Gen 18:25. He will Vivian.
Awesome scripture
Thank you -- yes our heavenly Father is a good God -- full of mercy, patience and grace. Through His Son he has pursued all. "There was the true light, even the light which lighteth every man, coming into the world." John 1:9 ASV
Sorry for your loss ❤
Thank you
While the pain of is immeasurable, our Father's love and grace are boundless. May you find solace in His eternal promises.
Yes. His promises are what I cling to. 🙏🏻
Thank you John. Our God is the God of all comfort! Amen.
Oh Vivian I'm so very sorry! 💔😢
thank you
I’m so very sorry Vivian, Sending Love n Light your way ❤️😢 I’m am so glad that I found ones like you n Dave to learn more n too have my eyes being opened now, This is heartbreaking 💔
Thank you for your kind words. We are so glad we are helping some folks
@ You are most Welcome 🤗 and yes ma’am you two are , Thank you ..
Don't even have the words to say what I feel about those people!
I recall Christ on the cross and Stephen as he was being stoned saying "Forgive them for they know not what they do" and as hard as that may be to do -- I remember I was once one of them and needed to be wakened.
Great big hugs! 💔
Thank you -- you are very kind
This kind of pain has no real definition. ALL cults (and even those who come out of a cult and start their own!) inflict damage to all of the community of man. Your interpretation , my interpretation, his or hers, its all about power.
💔💔💔🙏🙏🙏😢😢😢
Thank you for your prayers.
Very sorry for your loss, ma'am, may he RIP.
Thank you
Mi hermana me conmovió profundamente su situación por favor tenga mi mas sentido pésame por la perdida de su papá yo soy ex testigo toda mi vida creyendo que esa era la única religión verdadera casi al acercarme a los 50 años me percate de el desapego tan grande con toda mi familia por qué ellos no son testigos muchos de mis tíos y mis abuelos ya están muertos ya no hay manera de recuperar el tiempo perdido eso me causo mucha tristeza y fue alguna de las cosas que me ayudaron a despertar tenga usted todo mi cariño desde Tampico México ❤❤❤
Thank you so much -- you and others (not to mention our own departure from the ORG) encourages and gives us hope of many more waking up.
So sorry fot your loss. Maybe one day all of us will realize we really are ALL in this together. We treat each other in the most horrific ways,only to prove WHAT?
Our god more powerful than yours. All that time we spend putting dogma ahead of people will never be recovered. As the Kingston Trio put in a song, "When will we ever learn"?
Thank you
So sorry for your loss, truly death is an enemy and will be gone one day. With God's grace from our lord may give you strength and in time remembering good times you had with your dad and times to come 🙏
Thank you Marty -- I loved my dad and I have many good memories of my childhood and youth. I do not doubt he loved me but he trusted the Org as having "truth" and "authority".
Death was not the enemy here it was the organisation that robbed her of her father 36 years ago, so very sad 😢
Yes V. We lose our families to WT, and like all humans, then they and eventually we, die. Such is the cycle of life as sinners. You mention that we pray our families can have a real awakening in the Spirit of God and Christ. We sure hope for that, do we not? Much love to you and David, and Max.
Thank you
I'm very sorry for all of your losses. I've experienced a lot of loss too but only through death never based on shunning. That is an added burden that no one should have to bear and one I can't possibly understand. I'm sorry for the recent loss of your father Vivian. I lost my father a few years ago and the loss never goes away. My father was a wonderful person in every way, but what I miss most about him was his wisdom and spiritual knowledge. He was my rock and my go to for Biblical questions and advice and I'm sure your father was yours too until your right to have him in your life was unjustly taken away from you. I can't even imagine what it would be like to be deprived of him for 36 years. It's unimaginable and I'm truly sorry for your immense loss. I see and feel your pain. Hugs!
Thank you for your kind words. When we left the WT I had discovered the truth about the WT's history which disillusioned me about trusting the religion I had believe was "the truth" but couldn't be honest about it's own history -- which you can check. This lead David and I to check everything taught by the WT in the way of doctrines. My first discovery was they were not preaching the good news of the New Testament which Paul says is the only saving message! Which Paul also says to preach another gospel would curse you. (1 Cor 15:1-11; Gal 1:8,9) I tried to share some of these discoveries with my dad and family before being cut off. It is truly sad that one is cut off from speaking about the most important part of one's life with their loved ones? Why should one be in fear of speaking about God and Scripture with anyone let alone their child who has always shown love and respect for the Word? It was Jesus that had words of everlasting life and became my rock. We have done a video about this: "What JW.ORG is not telling you about the GOOD NEWS -- The Apostles' SAVING Gospel" th-cam.com/video/YTVgR1wVIdI/w-d-xo.html
@@davidvivianaspinall3498 Thank you, Vivian, I will check it out. I'm so sorry that you were prohibited from sharing the reasons why you left the organization with your family, it's so unfair. In fact, unfair doesn't even do justice to what happened to you. It's unconscionable, it's cruel. it's devastating, it's torture, it's a complete cheat of your right to enjoy your own family, honestly words aren't enough to describe it. It's the complete opposite of Free Will and you were left out to dry without any closure.
My dad was an elder for many years and a good one, but I don't see him cutting me off like that if put to the test. Maybe because he might have been slowly waking up on his own. The last few years of his life he basically became bedridden due to a back problem. So he would read the Bible for hours every day. He was intellectually gifted and analytical. I remember one day he said to me that he felt the organization had it wrong concerning resurrected ones and the fact that they couldn't marry. He felt it pertained to the heavenly class, but of course, he was basing it on Watchtower doctrine. It also could have partly been wishful thinking because my mom had died and he wanted to be reunited with her. Then one day he took me by surprise by saying in a bewildered sort of way, "It has to be the truth, what else is there?" I remember thinking he's having doubts which was shocking and so out of character for him. This was back in 2009 maybe, then he died in 2010 over a hospital error.
It wasn't until I started to wake up in 2018, that I looked back on my dad's words in retrospect, and realized he was having his own doubts, I suspect he was waking up, although he never verbalized it beyond what I just said. I'd give anything to have even one day with him again to discuss all that has transpired and get his take on it. So I feel for you and what you are going through. Neither one of us were able to get any real closure on the matter, and your situation is especially heartbreaking and unfair. It's truly a travesty. 💔 PS I can't remember the year I started to wake-up, it was slow, very slow, but I do remember the final straw. It was the "overlapping generations" doctrine. When I heard it I couldn't believe it, that's when I knew it was over. I suddenly realized they had just bought themselves an infinite amount of time and everything I had believed in was crushed in that instant. Much of my father's faith in the organization and mine was hinged on the chronology between 607 BCE, 539 BCE, and 1914. It seemed fail proof and proof positive at the time. How I would love to revisit it with him again based on what I know now.
Dear Vivian, we are so sorry to hear of your father's passing. Sending big hugs 🫂 your way. May the God of all comfort be with you and comfort you and your family in the days ahead.
Thank you Tony
@davidvivianaspinall3498 I sent you and David an email.
Wish you strength to cope with this new loss...
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Jehovah's Witnesses must understand who the real culprits are/APOSTATES 😮
God is my comfort and strength. And he sends along side such lovely kind friends. Thank you.
sorry about your dad
Thank you
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Thank you so much -- especially for your prayers
So sorry for your lost Vivian. I can never imagine not speaking to my parents. They’ve both died and missed them everyday.
My dad was never a JW. Only my mom. She died before I woke up and I often wondered if she would’ve shunned me had she being alive.
Lots of love to you, David and Max.
Thank you
My condolences to the whole family and greetings from Spain. 🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏
Thank you
I am SO VERY SORRY, Vivian for your loss❤❤❤ I know we here, who have been with you virtually, carry your family in our hearts and wish we could actually be there and comfort you. You have a right to express your grief since the JW rules impeded them through their horrible doctrines…
Thank you for your understanding words. It was a difficult video to do but I hope it informs the public about JW.org and hopefully wakens some to the results of such policies on people's lives. Who will do this?
I’m so sorry Vivian😢I lost my mum recently who always continued to speak to us, my sister and me, but the brothers told her that she was an obstacle to the spirit of God in the assembly.
From France.
That was a gesture of love and courage not to be guilted into doing something unchristian. God bless her. I take comfort in knowing God observes each person's efforts to conform to His standards -- especially when unpopular in their circles.
Yes sadly JW’s will always jump on the chance to call something persecution. I am so sorry for your loss Vivian 😢I try to take comfort in the bible says that the former things won’t come to mind. That we will not have mourning anymore. It’s hard for me to grasp that but I know it has to be true ❤️🙏🏻
Thank you Veronica -- I take comfort in the knowledge that God loves more than I do. He is good and just. The way I see and understand things are from a frail human point of view. I have been helped by thoughts on judgment presented by CS Lewis and the Apostle Paul -- discussed in this video: "As Jehovah's Witnesses, we did NOT leave judgment to God. ONLY God qualified to judge lives, hearts" th-cam.com/video/vvK6oMu-8MY/w-d-xo.html
@ thank you for sharing this with me Vivian.
I am so so sorry Vivian. This is a wicked Organization
I weep for them and try to do what I can to wake them.
I’m so sorry Vivian 😢sending you so much love ❤ unlike you when my dad died suddenly I was not excluded, and my mum has not ostracised me, although I am not disfellowshipped so that may make a difference. Anyway I’m thinking of you with so much love ❤️
Thank you Odette -- we send back love to you. If you would like a chat -- let us know and we can set up a Zoom chat.
@ I will do that as soon as I’m well, I’m such with the flu but hope to be better soon. Love ❤️
So sorry Viv... cults are expert in splitting people up, so very sorry but please know you have people you have never even met who have an abundance of love for you, I will be praying GOD comfort you... My heart goes out to you and my prayers will go up nightly... GOD Bless you and keep you ..❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thank you so much for your loving words and prayers for me. Please also send up some prayers for JWs deprived of the gospel message of Christ as the only Redeemer through his death, burial and resurrection for all us sinners! Thank you dear friend.
I will keep you all in my prayers, as regards hour loss, your grief and also the remaining JW family members hopefully “waking up.” You have SOOO helped me in my post leaving JW issues. You are dear people to us, do not deserve to be treated as you have by the indoctrinated family. I remember Marc and Cora did a video, Cora mentioned losing her mom and that same type issue happened. My heart goes out to you, and I know your husband and son too, it hurts them. Praying for you all🙏
Thank you for your kind supportive words. Very glad to know we have help you. And thank you for your prayers!
gosh...this made me tear up...i know it is not much of a comfort ,but my heart really goes out for you...i wish i could give you at least a real hug...my family got ripped apart many years ago too...and my father passed away last month...i am very sorry for your loss Vivian..you are such a humble mild and wonderful person..
If any who like to call themselves Jehovahs vitness happend to read this...please take a second and think about this : am i a real follower of Jesus if i hate ore do anything harmful to another human?...Jesus said : "But i say unto you,Love your enemies,bless them that curse you,do good to them that hate you,and pray for them witch despitefully use you,and persecute you." (Matt.5:44 kjv )...Jesus also said this : " In vain do they worship me,teaching as doctrines the commandments of men".( Matt.15:9 ESV )....If you really follow Jesus and not men...then you will live by the so called golden rule...(Matt.7:12) we do not need any other rules...ore will you rather turn your back on Jesus and continue to follow the many rules and doctrines of men?
Thank you for you kind words and thoughtful message. So many with similar heartaches among us. Sorry to hear of your loss. If you ever wish to contact us directly our email is dvmapologia@gmail.com
I am very sorry honey.
Thank you
I'm so sorry. Lots of people suffering. I'm speechless i desire good and not evil things are getting uglier
Yes many suffering and yet many also awakening. I pray they discover they have misplaced their faith but also pray they find to whom they should place their faith in.
@davidvivianaspinall3498 right!
My sincere condoleances, Vivian. There's no Christian love in this organisation 😢
Thank you
Y enjugara Dios toda lagrima de los ojos de ellos;y ya no habrá muerte,ni habrá mas llanto,ni clamor,ni dolor; porque las primeras cosas pasaron
Apocalipsis 21;4
Fortalezas a ti y tu familia Vivian 🤝
Thank you
Im so sorry ❤❤ only our God can heal these wounds. Hang in there. Love the channel guys xx
Thank you for your kind words and support
I am so very sorry, dear Vivian. So courageous for you to express how much the watchtower's conditional love stole your jw family from you. Hugs 🫂
Thank you
My heart breaks for you and I think of mine as well. It is a painful time that I dread for my self. So much lost time and life not lived well. I cried for you.
So sorry Vivian, it’s so hard, I have been through the same and still going through. I’m sending you my love and best wishes x
Thank you -- we likewise, send our love and will prayer for you and the many hurting exJWs. We hope you have some supportive fellowship -- our email is dvmapologia@gmail.com
I am very sorry and I will pray for you both and your work. After thirty years I left the JW because of their unbiblical theology and am an evangelical Christian now. My wife is still in. We have a great marriage, we care for each other and live in peace and love. My mother in law is a 100% JW. For her, I am possessed by demons and worse than child abusers. I don’t blame her for that. She stroke me out. This is what the organization does with people who understand the Bible differently than they do.
Thank you for sharing -- so glad to hear you are a Christian and have retained peace in your marriage. We will pray for your family. Your prayers mean so much to us.
You are loved 😢
Thank you -- we are comforted by all the love we receive!
I am so sorry, Vivian. I am so sorry. I will be keeping you in my prayers today and in future. I hope you can feel the hugs coming your way.❤️🩹❤️🩹❤️🩹
Thank you so much!
So sorry for your loss, Vivian. I lost my mother back in 2008, and at that time we were both JWs.
Now as an exjw and now a born again Christian, I wonder about her fate, indeed all sincere JWs who have been led astray.
I can only trust in God's just, righteous judgement.
And so can you.
Thank you David. I too dreaded the moment I would hear of the death of any of my loved ones still in the Org. You might find comfort in this video: "As Jehovah's Witnesses, we did NOT leave judgment to God. ONLY God qualified to judge lives, hearts"
th-cam.com/video/vvK6oMu-8MY/w-d-xo.html
One thing I have observed is, I had many milestones while I was still “in good standing“ and doing “everything right“ and not a one of those people could be happy for us. And that includes all of my JW relatives. So being part of watchtower, no one celebrated anything worth celebrating with us. Instead, they would poop in the pool. I’m glad now you have people around you sending you condolences from their heart and I hope you can feel the love.
I certainly do feel the love! I appreciate everyone's loving words of support to me. thank you.
*So sorry for your loss.*
Thank you
Yes, it’s actually too late when we will hear our jw family or relative had passed away. Couldn’t say we loved them or a goodbye😢Imagine even a worldly ones (like old time acquaintances or coworkers) who doesn’t have religious beliefs or in different religion can or are welcomed to visit to comfort the JWs (when sick) they know, BUT us that left for not agreeing Org beliefs are NOT allowed😮what a nonsense!
I am so sorry for the pain you are feeling as you mourn the loss of your father without the comfort of love from your siblings and your mom. It is a very cruel organization that would indoctrinate its members to treat their own sibling or child as if she was a demonized, toxic person and shun her because she has read her Bible and has come to see that Watchtower teaches a false Gospel. I am with you in hoping and praying that your family members will also read their Bibles as you have and compare the Gospel taught by Watchtower with what they read at 1Cor. 15:1-6 or the book of Acts. We who are your friends, see how much you long to share the real Good News with your dear family . Our loving Heavenly Father certainly sees this too. Our prayers for your strength and comfort are going up to God for you, David, and Max, but also for your mum and siblings. Thank you, Vivian, for the ways you have helped others to have a safe place to build new friendships and to get to know our loving God better after leaving Watchtower. The ministry of the Aspinall Family has made such a difference in our experience with leaving Watchtower in search of truth. May God be with you as you grieve the death of your father even as you continue to grieve the loss of people still living. We love you, Vivian ❤
Thank you Cicely -- we love you too! The company and comfort of our supporters has and does strengthen us. We appreciate all of you!
Sorry for your loss
Thank you Lylee
If nothing else it showcases how evil and uncaring that religion is. And if nothing it epitomises who they really serve and follow ! Can you imagine the true God or His Son ever acting in such a way ? Jesus showed us The Father in his parable of the Prodigal Son ! May The God of all comfort comfort you in your time of grief.❤
Thank you for your kind and thoughtful words.
C'est tellement triste ! Tu as préféré Dieu aux hommes, tu en as perdu ta famille. Que Christ et son Père te consolent. Je partage ton émotion. Un jour ton père sera fière de toi.
Bon courage
Thank you Nicole for your encouragement.
13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope.
14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.
1 Thessalonians 4:12,13.
So sorry. This cult is very unchristian
Thank you
I'm so sorry I just lost my sister. She was in that religion as well, one that came by would not even look at my neice who had been disfellowshipped years ago. Came into her own house and would not speak to her Brought her sister food, made sure to tell her it was for her . Now how did that represent Christ?
Sorry to hear of your loss Linda. The Apostle Paul describes God as "Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our affliction so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any affliction with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God." (2 Cor 1:1-3) We will pray for your comfort. Do you have a community of support Linda? Our email is dvmapologia@gmail.com
I love you Viv ❤
Thank you
Please accept my heartfelt condolences. So sorry for the loss of your father, child and so much of which violence was perpetrated against you and your family by the wt Dictatorship over Jws. May our Father in Heaven comfort you and your family who practice love.
Thank you Penny for your loving words of comfort.
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That is such a tragedy. That religion continues to destroy families with their false doctrine
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