I love how he mentions Jamal Crawford no one ever gives him his flowers cause he never won a chip but that man was deadly on every team he played with!
Also Joe Johnson was a pure scprer!Melo was a triple threat score:Post up ,off the dribble,and catch and shoot.Some like Kyire and Harden dribble a lot,but are great shooters. Lebron was attacking the rim,dunks and Good Mid Range Game!Great show Melo and God bless!
Yep. Pure scorer has more bag. And usually a more refined iso game and more handles and crazy tough shots. Bucket getter is the one that plays team ball but gets all the buckets that are needed. They are pure scorers too in a way but they just can’t be stopped. Bucket better is a level above a pure scorer.
Top 5 in history when you talk about beautiful effective jumpers melo is my number 1 Steph the goat shooter but melo had the best looking jumper I've ever seen it always look like it was going in
@@GmkSuperstars FACTS. Remember our high school coach giving my best friend and I tape(VHS back in the day) of the Syracuse Final Four Final and we spent the whole time off school trying to replicate Melo's shooting motion. And we both agree we never even came close. His year with the Lakers might have been a bummer but you best believe I enjoyed watching him in purple and gold and seeing the same smooth as butter shot.
Tmac, melo, Kobe, mj, kd those my top five pure scorers. I feel like they can give it to you from anywhere post up, one dribble, two dribble or whatever
jerry west, George gervin, and eligin baylor are bucket too without 3s only george gervin have 3 points but only 77. gervin have 33ppg 32 ppg and 29.6 ppg and the remaining ppg in his career are 20+ ppg. jerry west have three 31 ppg and two 30 ppg and the remaining are 25+ ppg elgin baylor have 38ppg, two 34 ppg 29 ppg and the remaining are 25+ppg or almost.
Yall replying to this comment but if you would’ve read the second one I posted you would know it’s not on him if your coach tells you don’t focus on defense because I need you fresh on offense what would you do
I loved Melos spin move from the left wing when he would face you then I can’t even comprehend what he did next the quickness foot work strength and balance and he’d be at the rim take contact double pump a lay up in and1 lol
Melo went all over with that pure scorer vs bucket getter convo. First he said only 10 guys in history and went on to name like 20+ lol. Lebron and Shaq dont get enough credit as scorers in my opinion. Folks will say size but you gotta score to do what they did
Bruh bruh bruh come on seriously like seriously you really gonna make shaq as a pure scorer lol I’ll probably give you bron even tho he had to learn to shoot but shaq my nigga really come on man, I mean how hard is it to just dunk on everyone when your bigger and stronger than 99% of them
@Lowkey_AFC Never said pure scorer or a bucket. I said folks dont give shaq enough credit as a scorer. Everybody say that but come on think about it why aint all the big men done it if thats all it was. All this shit about the definition of getting a bucket did Shaq not do that too regardless of how. A bucket is a bucket right. I didnt say Wilt i get that during that time but Shaq did what he did in the modern era against alot of types of big men and great pick pockets
@@JusAjFresh that’s why they rate him as highly as they do shaq is the most dominant player of all time he dominated through he’s since he was never a great scorer he just dominated so much he was literally unstoppable
@Lowkey_AFC Shaq has 2 scoring titles man. Folks gotta call a spade a spade but thats my opinion. If folks say he wasnt the greatest shooter cool but all the scoring shit and he gets an asterisk because he's shaq. That is nuts and then even crazier to all the folks like you who say he was never a great scorer. Plus playoff series outscoring Kobe.
A pure scorer is the player whose role is only to score in every position….. no defence, no assist, no rebound just scorers…. Lebron is not a pure scorer, he has other roles on the court, simple
LeBron is a pure scorer who just so happens to also be freakishly athletic. He came into the league with a slightly below average jumper, but could get hot from anywhere. From 2004-2008, he added post scoring, post fades, runners, leaners, and improved his 3 pt shooting. People only say hes not a pure scorer because a lot of his points come at the rim (35% of his fg attempts are at the rim , while the other 65% consists of midrange and 3 point shootig.) People get blinded by the dunks and fast breaks but ignore the fact that in a majority of his high scoring games come from being automatic with his jumpers. People claim he has no bag, but for every move they say a kobe or kd can do, LeBron can also do it. Lets also add in the fact that layups and getting to the rim requires you to have a bag. There were many players LeBrons size or bigger who struggle around the rim. He has jelly layups, reverse layups, contact layups with both hands. Just his layup package alone is enough of a bag that he consistently makes 70-80% of his finishes at the rim regardless of the type of defenders waiting at the rim (ibaka, garnett, noah, deight howard etc). There isn't one way to consistently stop him. Make him go left, he is ambidextrous, he can finish with a fade, a leaner , right handed floater, do a step back or finish with his left at the rim make him go right, hes dunking on you, doing a finger roll over you and your center, fading away or pulling up. Give him space he's 35-40% from 3 depending on the season. Put a smaller guy on him, he posts them up. Put a bigger guy on him , he blows past them. He isnt seen as a pure scorer because of his athleticism and passing overshadows his skilled play
How did Bron he have a post up game from 04-08 when the first half of his career his weakness was his post game??? He was literally shut down and put in a straight jacket in the Finals against Dallas You sound dumb
You just described Vince Carter. Bron is considered a pure scorer because he went away from the style of play he had in his 1st stint, and simplified his game to the downhill game
Bron doesnt play in box situation is what they mean. He's downhill space power momentum. He's like Giannis with a better handle & shot. Where like a pg plays from any spot on the floor & can score in a variety of ways
So saying he's like Giannas with a better handle and shot doesn't equate to be an elite score or whatever this box stuff idk what is. I've seen lebron score at all spots way more than he gets credit for. The fact that some folks sometimes compare his type of scoring to Shaq is already crazy because lebron can shoot and play the point legitimately.
its a accomplishment over really long career, its not like hes all time leading scorer in 10 years, if thats your logic than Kareem also is pure scorer @@PatBlackJR
I don’t think pure scorer and bucket getter are the same. I’d say Melo is a pure scorer whereas Bron is a bucket getter Edit: Just fyi. Not indicating Melo is a better scorer. I just think he likes to mix it up and has a deeper bag. In my opinion Bron is a better scorer but he’ll usually just get straight to the point. He’s not gonna use an assortment of feints or dribbles. I’d say the same for Zion, Greek, Shaq, Brunson. Shit if anything these guys not only get it done but they’re usually more efficient. On the other hand guys like Embiid, Kyrie, Tatum, Poole like to do a little extra
when ppl say this stuff similar to this I just think pure scorers just shoot more jumpshots and maybe score on diff levels more often. While bron just got his for the most part unstoppable finishing
@@lostinmotion7714it’s seems like it right lol I’ll take 10/14 with 7 dunks and 3 layups and 8 free throws giving me 28 a game over 11-28 giving me 25 a game but u worried about how it looks lol
To Melo's point I think he really was just talking about how people interpret or view things. Technically speaking Bron is a all time great scorer. He can go get a bucket whenever he wants. But its the way that he does it that is why people don't put LOOK at him as a scorer. He is going to call some pick and rolls and get a better matchup, or just sprint downhill and either blow past you or physically move you out the way. Its kinda how people don't view Shaq as a scorer even tho he could get you a bucket whenever too. Shaq used more power and strength. And even tho Shaq had a hook shot and a bit of a turnaround shot just like even tho Bron has a fadeaway shot over the left and right shoulder and floaters, and pull up jumpers, most of their buckets aren't from that so it doesn't look as "pretty" or "pure" as how a KD or Booker gets their buckets. Kinda silly but I get why people think that way. Shaq is a way more efficient scorer than a.i. and can give you just as many buckets as him but people still will look at a.i. as a more pure scorer. It's an aesthetic or style as Melo puts it. Being a pure scorer doesn't make you a better scorer
I get what you’re saying but bron’s more of a hybrid, like if i were to compare highlights reels of the all timers i can assure you not many would even come close to brons in terms of high level plays & even style, so the whole “bron don’t have a bag” thing is either wishful thinking or recency bias which is completely reasonable since theres been like 5 to 6 versions/iterations of bron 😂; also people in general need to get their shit together cause reducing skills & fundamentals to a beauty contest where style & aesthetics is the main argument is ridiculous, like reggie miller’s shooting form was horrendous but was mechanically sound so “looks great” doesn’t mean its great, same goes for equating “deeper bag” to more skill is complete nonsense & pure fan service, sure, sometimes it does overlap, where you get both, beauty & high level skill, kyrie irving probably being the best example of it, but equating them is wrong & we’ve come to a point where even pro players are regurgitating & reinforcing this notion(narrative).
@@agwiz2777 yea I was just breaking down what Melo meant but I agree. But even Melo seemed to catch himself because he realized Bron doesn’t fit in what he was trying to say. towards the end he concluded that a “pure scorer” is about the style in which you score and doesn’t make you a better scorer. So while Kyrie for instance would be considered a pure scorer because he does it in an esthetically pleasing way, he is not a better scorer than Shaq. As much as that may bother people it’s facts.
This point is awesome, u can be a pure scorer and another person can average much more ppg than u who is not a pure scorer. The other person simple can get buckets better than u,that shouldn't be hard to understand.
I like how he said the league is so robotic and to just react, that’s how I learned to play so I thought I was tripping. Kids today are practicing moves that would never be done in a live game. The only thing we knew before hand was if we gonna shoot it or not lol
Jordan wasn't just a bucket getter. Lol. That's the dumbest shit I ever heard. The man averaged over 30 for his career but he wasn't a pure shooter. WTF??? He had an unstoppable fadeaway and he had a great jump shot. Look how many games he scored over 30 and how many games he scored over 40. Come on man. Obvious hate without basketball knowledge. Typical TH-cam commenter
Not really, more Athleticism and dunker/slasher!He worked on his Jumper later to be a better shooter once his Athleticism decreased. Pistons Hall of famer Isiah Thomas was a Scorer first in the NBA,but better talent made him more of a facilitator scoring when need,The Bad Boys!
Melo, do New York a favor and take Randle immediately under your wing and help this man out asap, he over dribbles too much and forces it, gotta make the game more easier for him.
Melo working with Brandon Ingram would be a problem imo Ingram uses his size and works in the post alot like Melo did, just in a different way. Completely different physique, and different styles, but super similar at the same time I think Melo could take B.I. to a different level
@@BoosterGoldEarth6 you don't have to be the same body type as somebody to learn new wrinkles in your game The have very similar offensive skills, it would make complete sense to work with Melo That was one of the dumbest things I've heard in a while bucko
Honest conversation if you really watch basketball is kyrie not the best pure scorer ever like he has every level of the floor at 6-2 effeciently finshing, post up, midrange, floater, three with handles
LeBron Is A Scorer. But It Also Depends On What LeBron You Talking About. Example: First Cleveland Run He Was Pure Scorer, He Played A lot Of ISO Ball But Miami LeBron Is Pure Fast Breaks Not To Say He Didn’t Have His Games But That Team Was A Threat Because Of The Fast Break Opportunities They Got.
@@jaystacks5249with Suns it was a deliberate move in the second half as he played ok in the first. With mavs he was after his prime already and the league made a huge progress already and Kobe was not making any,as lot of stars at this point of their careers
FIRST BUCKET GETTERS THAT COME TO MIND is Lou Williams, Jamal Crawford, Jamal Murray, Malik Monk, Kyrie, Kd, Melo, Joel Embid, Trae Young!!!🫡 what a fun topic this is!
For most people Jordan is a given and its been said so much about how he can just get buckets anywhere on the court and was basically unstoppable. He adapted to everything thrown at him and scored. Take away the baseline he was either going to put a move on you and still go baseline or rise up and shoot over you. In transition he was taking the ball into the paint if you clogged the paint he pulled up with a midrange and on occasion the 3 ball. He would jump over you driving to the hole. He would adjust in mid air from the right to the left and still score. All one had to do was look at Melo from head to toe and you would know he knows who the greatest is!!!
Look up his first three years in the league and his freshman year in college he played defense until the team asked him to rest on defense and focus on offense
@IGcantstopfactsbreh does anyone one realize that you can say the same for curry but the the team put the right players around him to were his not playing consistent defense wouldn’t matter
@@Jm3rv 🙄please please please read my question carefully my friend.......i know 4 levels and asked for the 5th....you regurgitated the 3 levels BACK to me smh.....you gave me 3 ways to score that ive already addressed smh. i said post game already and dunking is part of post game not its own level of scoring smh. shot creation is iso smh....so, again i ask, what is the 5th? cuz, again, according to gil there are 4 - post, middy, 3, iso
Melo talking about the players that have/could have his bag and he said he had to learn the stuff that people don’t see from other legends of the game. In my opinion one guy that could be in that upper echelon is Jabari Smith Jr. Just a young pup and he has the potential. Just my thoughts. Respect. StayMe7o
A pure scorer is a guy who can literally score from anywhere on the floor in any facet of the game. A scorer is just a player who scores their respective points in concentrated areas. Scorers Example is Shaq, Giannis, Kareem, Duncan, LeBron, Wade, and DRose. Pure Scoring Examples: Bird, Kobe, Melo, TMac, KD, Steph, PG, Paul Pierce, etc.
@@bytheriverinpeace2301 he can't change directions on the dribble, has no crossover move without losing the ball and can't consistently shoot going to his right. Watch old games and you will see that.
Jayson needs to sit down with you. If he tweaks his game. He becomes a LEGEND, quicker. S/N: I'm so glad I found Melo. This podcast is right up my alley. Sit down down when the basketball GOD is speaking FACTS.
@IGcantstopfactsbrehyou can’t be pass first and be a career 27 ppg player. Cp3, Steve Nash, John Stockton, Magic Johnson, and maybe Jokic… these are true pass first superstars. Bron is a scorer above all else. He’s just unselfish and brilliant similar to Larry Bird or Tim Duncan. He’s not considered a pure scorer because his iso game is limited. The spacing and pace of the NBA game is a cheat code for Bron because he’s the most physically gifted player EVER! He is not, however, a great one on one player, but that’s not how championships are won. He elevates others like only few others before him. I used to say how KD on those great Cavs teams would have struggled to be the 8th seed, but Bron always had them in contention for the first or second spot. This is coming from a Jordan guy, but Bron really is an anomaly.
I think pure scorers honestly it’s a lot of em today. I’d say: Shai, Luka, Kyrie, Book, KD, Melo, CJ, AI, Jordan, D Wade, Ja.., D Fox, Kobe, Dame?, harden! I Know I’m definitely missing some names
There is so many pure scores I love the scores that were great that didn't get a chance to complete for a title like Jamal Mashburn ,Reggie Miller, latrell sprewell
Lebron is a scorer and a passer lol. Dude is #1 all time scoring by a large margin, #4 all time assists at the same time, which is insane because you wont find anyone within top20 scoring that is also within top 20 assists except Oscar Robertson, who is #16 in all time scoring and #8 in all time assists. The craziest part is Lebron is top 3 in all time player efficiency rating, at age 39!
Jordan can do the same thing Lebron can do he wasn't chose to play that way Jordan averaged a 30-point triple-double over a 11 games stretch when he played as a Point Guard, Jordan also averaged over 40 PPG in the playoffs more than once Lebron being #1 in scoring it's because he played way longer than Jordan Jordan only played 13 yrs for the Bulls & Lebron's still not even close to Jordan in 40-point games.
bruh just cut it, talking about he wasn't chosen to play that way. Lebron passed Jordan on the all time scoring list taking less shot attempts, Lebron aint perfect his self but y'all try to make it seem like Jordan is the best in every single category known to basketball @@kdot6867
Great conversation. I think pure scorers just have a mindset to score and that’s their prime objective even in how they prepare and practice What we need to be clear on is that being a pure scorer don’t make you a better scorer and also being more efficient don’t always make you better I rather have Kobe than KD and KD was much more efficient than Kobe. I rather have Melo over KD too This is a very complex conversation lol
Need to see Melo in Gils Arena talking about scoring!
Gil won't understand bc there's not enough shots in the game for them both lol
Gil is funny af about his views on offense
True
That would go crazy
Facts
Facts mc cant gana get flamed
I love how he mentions Jamal Crawford no one ever gives him his flowers cause he never won a chip but that man was deadly on every team he played with!
Nah, JCrossover gets love. It's Manu, him, and Lemon Pepper Lou as best 6men in the last 20 years
Also Joe Johnson was a pure scprer!Melo was a triple threat score:Post up ,off the dribble,and catch and shoot.Some like Kyire and Harden dribble a lot,but are great shooters. Lebron was attacking the rim,dunks and Good Mid Range Game!Great show Melo and God bless!
Man I can listen to Melo, Bron, Kobe, and Gil talk basketball all day on here.
How about Karl Malone the mail man
thats facts
paul george’s podcast is even better if you havent listened to him
true hoopers of the game. all bucket getters
@@shelbyhaiketic4212 you mean karl malone the rapist?
When Melo added that Dirk ill-step..off foot pull up jumper!😲
Anthony Edwards working out with Melo is going to make the kid play until age 40 🔥 Melo 🐐
facts yo !!
@IGcantstopfactsbreh😂
@IGcantstopfactsbrehmelo was talented enough to win. He just chose the bag in NY
Melo was the the laziest mfer ever . SMH lol
@mikelowry1737 he was lazy ,he never bent his knees on defensive. You can't be a leader if you don't play d. He doesn't have any real accolades
I think is so dope how the elite athletes break down the game in their words. Especially for people like me who never played. More of this please 🙏
You gotta get out there and play if you are able to man! Seriously so much fun
Pure scorer is somebody that's a threat anytime from anywhere. A bucket getter is somebody with less versatility but they still cant be stopped.
Yep. Pure scorer has more bag. And usually a more refined iso game and more handles and crazy tough shots. Bucket getter is the one that plays team ball but gets all the buckets that are needed. They are pure scorers too in a way but they just can’t be stopped. Bucket better is a level above a pure scorer.
You can only be a pure scorer when ur tall. @@strawberrysherbet96
Melo probably has one of the more aesthetically pleasing shooting motions in league history. Smooth MF.
Top 5 in history when you talk about beautiful effective jumpers melo is my number 1 Steph the goat shooter but melo had the best looking jumper I've ever seen it always look like it was going in
@@GmkSuperstars FACTS. Remember our high school coach giving my best friend and I tape(VHS back in the day) of the Syracuse Final Four Final and we spent the whole time off school trying to replicate Melo's shooting motion. And we both agree we never even came close. His year with the Lakers might have been a bummer but you best believe I enjoyed watching him in purple and gold and seeing the same smooth as butter shot.
Let's not forget Allen Houston, man had a pure form and stroke.
Green bean on 2k
Tmac, melo, Kobe, mj, kd those my top five pure scorers. I feel like they can give it to you from anywhere post up, one dribble, two dribble or whatever
Yep they are mentally focused when it comes to scoring
jerry west, George gervin, and eligin baylor are bucket too without 3s only george gervin have 3 points but only 77. gervin have 33ppg 32 ppg and 29.6 ppg and the remaining ppg in his career are 20+ ppg. jerry west have three 31 ppg and two 30 ppg and the remaining are 25+ ppg elgin baylor have 38ppg, two 34 ppg 29 ppg and the remaining are 25+ppg or almost.
💯 Bernard King after them
@@BonesDMS4lifeLEBRON BETTER THAN ALL OF THEM.
@@coreythomas3633 false and you know it that’s why you saying that dumb ass shit to me in the comment section,
Melo can definitely play real defense he shown it when he played against Kobe and the years he played for the USA team
He loved playing it on LeBron too. Where'd that get him? No accolades, no MVPs no 1st team anything
Yall replying to this comment but if you would’ve read the second one I posted you would know it’s not on him if your coach tells you don’t focus on defense because I need you fresh on offense what would you do
@@DeedyB11 Still play defense
@@thedon5367 then you’ll be benched lol.. you aint jordan.
@@joshsmindset and you wouldn't even be on the team 😂
Wemby with a Melo bag is nuts!!!
Mad business
And Giannis Engine. Damn... That's Scary AF!
I loved Melos spin move from the left wing when he would face you then I can’t even comprehend what he did next the quickness foot work strength and balance and he’d be at the rim take contact double pump a lay up in and1 lol
Yup and Denver Melo was banging on you after that spin move even early knicks years ago
ANT working with Melo explains his midrange and post game being alot better this season
The most candid I ever heard melo speak
He’s retired he can speak freely
You can hear his love of basketball & I love dat sh!t ❤❤❤
Melo went all over with that pure scorer vs bucket getter convo. First he said only 10 guys in history and went on to name like 20+ lol. Lebron and Shaq dont get enough credit as scorers in my opinion. Folks will say size but you gotta score to do what they did
Bruh bruh bruh come on seriously like seriously you really gonna make shaq as a pure scorer lol I’ll probably give you bron even tho he had to learn to shoot but shaq my nigga really come on man, I mean how hard is it to just dunk on everyone when your bigger and stronger than 99% of them
@Lowkey_AFC Never said pure scorer or a bucket. I said folks dont give shaq enough credit as a scorer. Everybody say that but come on think about it why aint all the big men done it if thats all it was. All this shit about the definition of getting a bucket did Shaq not do that too regardless of how. A bucket is a bucket right. I didnt say Wilt i get that during that time but Shaq did what he did in the modern era against alot of types of big men and great pick pockets
@@JusAjFresh that’s why they rate him as highly as they do shaq is the most dominant player of all time he dominated through he’s since he was never a great scorer he just dominated so much he was literally unstoppable
@Lowkey_AFC Shaq has 2 scoring titles man. Folks gotta call a spade a spade but thats my opinion. If folks say he wasnt the greatest shooter cool but all the scoring shit and he gets an asterisk because he's shaq. That is nuts and then even crazier to all the folks like you who say he was never a great scorer. Plus playoff series outscoring Kobe.
A pure scorer is the player whose role is only to score in every position….. no defence, no assist, no rebound just scorers…. Lebron is not a pure scorer, he has other roles on the court, simple
LeBron is a pure scorer who just so happens to also be freakishly athletic. He came into the league with a slightly below average jumper, but could get hot from anywhere. From 2004-2008, he added post scoring, post fades, runners, leaners, and improved his 3 pt shooting. People only say hes not a pure scorer because a lot of his points come at the rim (35% of his fg attempts are at the rim , while the other 65% consists of midrange and 3 point shootig.) People get blinded by the dunks and fast breaks but ignore the fact that in a majority of his high scoring games come from being automatic with his jumpers. People claim he has no bag, but for every move they say a kobe or kd can do, LeBron can also do it. Lets also add in the fact that layups and getting to the rim requires you to have a bag. There were many players LeBrons size or bigger who struggle around the rim. He has jelly layups, reverse layups, contact layups with both hands. Just his layup package alone is enough of a bag that he consistently makes 70-80% of his finishes at the rim regardless of the type of defenders waiting at the rim (ibaka, garnett, noah, deight howard etc). There isn't one way to consistently stop him. Make him go left, he is ambidextrous, he can finish with a fade, a leaner , right handed floater, do a step back or finish with his left at the rim make him go right, hes dunking on you, doing a finger roll over you and your center, fading away or pulling up. Give him space he's 35-40% from 3 depending on the season. Put a smaller guy on him, he posts them up. Put a bigger guy on him , he blows past them. He isnt seen as a pure scorer because of his athleticism and passing overshadows his skilled play
Bro you really just typed all that
How did Bron he have a post up game from 04-08 when the first half of his career his weakness was his post game???
He was literally shut down and put in a straight jacket in the Finals against Dallas
You sound dumb
You just described Vince Carter. Bron is considered a pure scorer because he went away from the style of play he had in his 1st stint, and simplified his game to the downhill game
Longest lie ever written
There is nothing that Kobe or Kd do that Lebron can do skill wise stop lying
everybody forgets Larry Bird. He's still to this day one of the best pure scorers ever. Nobody can stop him and the definition of CLUTCH
He is, another one is Wilt Chamberlain
Melo drop jewels 💎 on how to react “footwork n dribbles” on the court n not overthink it💯🏀
Bron doesnt play in box situation is what they mean. He's downhill space power momentum. He's like Giannis with a better handle & shot. Where like a pg plays from any spot on the floor & can score in a variety of ways
So attaining the all time scoring record means nothing because he didn't do it in a "Variety" of ways?
@@PatBlackJRno one said it meant nothing lol. Relax
@@clutch7548which is funny because LeBron has scored in a variety of ways his entire career.
So saying he's like Giannas with a better handle and shot doesn't equate to be an elite score or whatever this box stuff idk what is. I've seen lebron score at all spots way more than he gets credit for. The fact that some folks sometimes compare his type of scoring to Shaq is already crazy because lebron can shoot and play the point legitimately.
its a accomplishment over really long career, its not like hes all time leading scorer in 10 years, if thats your logic than Kareem also is pure scorer @@PatBlackJR
I knew melo was working with Paulo I saw his game changing more confidence in his mid pull up I see the Melo all in him
Went and watched a melo post up highlight video after listening to this.
Great philosophy on how to be a threat
I don’t think pure scorer and bucket getter are the same. I’d say Melo is a pure scorer whereas Bron is a bucket getter
Edit: Just fyi. Not indicating Melo is a better scorer. I just think he likes to mix it up and has a deeper bag. In my opinion Bron is a better scorer but he’ll usually just get straight to the point. He’s not gonna use an assortment of feints or dribbles. I’d say the same for Zion, Greek, Shaq, Brunson. Shit if anything these guys not only get it done but they’re usually more efficient. On the other hand guys like Embiid, Kyrie, Tatum, Poole like to do a little extra
when ppl say this stuff similar to this I just think pure scorers just shoot more jumpshots and maybe score on diff levels more often. While bron just got his for the most part unstoppable finishing
@@lostinmotion7714it’s seems like it right lol I’ll take 10/14 with 7 dunks and 3 layups and 8 free throws giving me 28 a game over 11-28 giving me 25 a game but u worried about how it looks lol
That’s like saying bread and toast are different
@@apostlebrothere1185 yeh, that’s kind of my point 😉
@@lostinmotion7714 exactly
Joe Johnson had everything
Except dunking and attacking the rim
Yeah he wasn’t explosive or bouncy
@@NotaLocal_he was crafty and fundamentally sound
@@z-mane1438 oh I know he didn’t need to be he was a bucket
To Melo's point I think he really was just talking about how people interpret or view things. Technically speaking Bron is a all time great scorer. He can go get a bucket whenever he wants. But its the way that he does it that is why people don't put LOOK at him as a scorer. He is going to call some pick and rolls and get a better matchup, or just sprint downhill and either blow past you or physically move you out the way. Its kinda how people don't view Shaq as a scorer even tho he could get you a bucket whenever too. Shaq used more power and strength. And even tho Shaq had a hook shot and a bit of a turnaround shot just like even tho Bron has a fadeaway shot over the left and right shoulder and floaters, and pull up jumpers, most of their buckets aren't from that so it doesn't look as "pretty" or "pure" as how a KD or Booker gets their buckets. Kinda silly but I get why people think that way. Shaq is a way more efficient scorer than a.i. and can give you just as many buckets as him but people still will look at a.i. as a more pure scorer. It's an aesthetic or style as Melo puts it. Being a pure scorer doesn't make you a better scorer
I get what you’re saying but bron’s more of a hybrid, like if i were to compare highlights reels of the all timers i can assure you not many would even come close to brons in terms of high level plays & even style, so the whole “bron don’t have a bag” thing is either wishful thinking or recency bias which is completely reasonable since theres been like 5 to 6 versions/iterations of bron 😂; also people in general need to get their shit together cause reducing skills & fundamentals to a beauty contest where style & aesthetics is the main argument is ridiculous, like reggie miller’s shooting form was horrendous but was mechanically sound so “looks great” doesn’t mean its great, same goes for equating “deeper bag” to more skill is complete nonsense & pure fan service, sure, sometimes it does overlap, where you get both, beauty & high level skill, kyrie irving probably being the best example of it, but equating them is wrong & we’ve come to a point where even pro players are regurgitating & reinforcing this notion(narrative).
@@agwiz2777 yea I was just breaking down what Melo meant but I agree. But even Melo seemed to catch himself because he realized Bron doesn’t fit in what he was trying to say. towards the end he concluded that a “pure scorer” is about the style in which you score and doesn’t make you a better scorer. So while Kyrie for instance would be considered a pure scorer because he does it in an esthetically pleasing way, he is not a better scorer than Shaq. As much as that may bother people it’s facts.
This point is awesome, u can be a pure scorer and another person can average much more ppg than u who is not a pure scorer. The other person simple can get buckets better than u,that shouldn't be hard to understand.
Great basketball conversation
I like how he said the league is so robotic and to just react, that’s how I learned to play so I thought I was tripping. Kids today are practicing moves that would never be done in a live game. The only thing we knew before hand was if we gonna shoot it or not lol
my boy said T Mac twice and still aint say Michael Jordan😂
Jordan was not a pure scorer his 3pt shot was horrible he was a bucket getter
-- You know who the GOAT is...when Melo is representing nothing but JORDAN.
Jordan wasn't just a bucket getter. Lol. That's the dumbest shit I ever heard. The man averaged over 30 for his career but he wasn't a pure shooter. WTF??? He had an unstoppable fadeaway and he had a great jump shot. Look how many games he scored over 30 and how many games he scored over 40. Come on man. Obvious hate without basketball knowledge. Typical TH-cam commenter
He doesn't know real basketball Jordan is better than all these guys combined 😅😅😅😅😅😅!
@@MichaelJohnson-rv9zv10 scoring titles😂😂😂 you crazy as hell
Man this is great basketball talk thanks guys!
Vince Carter criminally slept on
Not really, more Athleticism and dunker/slasher!He worked on his Jumper later to be a better shooter once his Athleticism decreased. Pistons Hall of famer Isiah Thomas was a Scorer first in the NBA,but better talent made him more of a facilitator scoring when need,The Bad Boys!
"if youre rockin with me, we're working on CERTAIN things"...that means no defense 😂 i respect his honesty 😂
Melo, do New York a favor and take Randle immediately under your wing and help this man out asap, he over dribbles too much and forces it, gotta make the game more easier for him.
Melo post game would immediately make Randle's game more deadly.. He strong as hell too? Man..
@@djstream469 I agree, melo could really take Julius to the next level
Melo said he worked out with him in this video lol
Melo working with Brandon Ingram would be a problem imo
Ingram uses his size and works in the post alot like Melo did, just in a different way. Completely different physique, and different styles, but super similar at the same time
I think Melo could take B.I. to a different level
Why the heck would Ingram do that. Don't have the size of Melo.
He good, workout with a Tmac or someone similar to his built and style
@@BoosterGoldEarth6 you don't have to be the same body type as somebody to learn new wrinkles in your game
The have very similar offensive skills, it would make complete sense to work with Melo
That was one of the dumbest things I've heard in a while bucko
Legend we miss you ❤
“There’s only 10 pure scorers” proceeds to name 25 people
Lol literally dude went from name pure scorers to naming scorers
He could've named 25 more.
Dropping gems 💎
Crazy. I always talk about my preference for liking “pure scorers.” But I usually call it “pure ballers.” He used the same names I use as example.
Wooow, crazy bro..u are like melo brooo
@@undergroundclassics3130😂😂😂 man said pure ballers. What that does even mean😂
Melo best isoscorer ever
Ain’t nobody stoping melo 1v1 not Mike not Kobe or Lebron not even Kd
Guess mj doesn't exist
Are you on crack?
@IGcantstopfactsbrehnobody cares about that we talking scoring the ball pure. Not who a better player
Honest conversation if you really watch basketball is kyrie not the best pure scorer ever like he has every level of the floor at 6-2 effeciently finshing, post up, midrange, floater, three with handles
This is a solid conversation 👌
Iim glad you said monte ellis
Benard King being Melo's guy he watched growing up makes so much sense now
100% agree wit melo when it comes to these names of pure scorers
omitting Wilt Chamberlain is insane man lol
Melo knows his stuff!
Melo was a automatic bucket props to give for giving flowers to the bucket getters that didn't get them he knows alot about the game
D Wade was a bucket too especially in his prime…….he won a scoring title after he got his 1st Championship
LeBron Is A Scorer. But It Also Depends On What LeBron You Talking About. Example: First Cleveland Run He Was Pure Scorer, He Played A lot Of ISO Ball But Miami LeBron Is Pure Fast Breaks Not To Say He Didn’t Have His Games But That Team Was A Threat Because Of The Fast Break Opportunities They Got.
you know ball!
LBJ end of pure scorer era was game 2 of his finals against the Mavs
@@MrPaholloso was Kobe’s when he stopped shooting against the suns or when he got swept by those same mavericks. Just asking
@@jaystacks5249with Suns it was a deliberate move in the second half as he played ok in the first. With mavs he was after his prime already and the league made a huge progress already and Kobe was not making any,as lot of stars at this point of their careers
This young generation really need to listen and learn how it’s done. We talking about a man who top ten in NBA history..
And im glad he said George Gervin that dude was before his time
damn melo is such a good OG, such an inspiration
I appreciate the gem, thx
As a jackson native, appreciate the Monta shoutout
Crazy how melo is dripped out in Jordan gear but forgot to mention Jordan.
He did. He mentioned him with Kobe, and Hakeem. I think he was initially talking about the current players. 👊👑
Maybe he did not want to state the obvious
It was a given. I mean as what Starburry said, he's on a different league so don't compare others to him. 😆
Dope list 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
FIRST BUCKET GETTERS THAT COME TO MIND is Lou Williams, Jamal Crawford, Jamal Murray, Malik Monk, Kyrie, Kd, Melo, Joel Embid, Trae Young!!!🫡 what a fun topic this is!
Trae Young is not in that category due to the fact he has no back to the basket game
@@Poppi_302he’s a point guard wtf r u talkin bout back 2 da basket it’s 2024 🤣 half the league don’t have a “back to the basket” game 😂😂😂
@@fleedejesus942😂😂😂🤷🏾♂️ IMSAYINNNN. Smh
@@Poppi_302man what 😭😭😭
@@fleedejesus942 thats where kyrie come in
How you don't put MJ the gaurd with 10 scoring titles, 7 in a row. Averaged 30 for his career? This must be a clutch Sports paid channel.
You guys are so insecure.
The way yall suck mj is insane😂😂😂😂 calm down
@@fredooogoated8335 Internet tuff guy. You're safe
For most people Jordan is a given and its been said so much about how he can just get buckets anywhere on the court and was basically unstoppable. He adapted to everything thrown at him and scored. Take away the baseline he was either going to put a move on you and still go baseline or rise up and shoot over you. In transition he was taking the ball into the paint if you clogged the paint he pulled up with a midrange and on occasion the 3 ball. He would jump over you driving to the hole. He would adjust in mid air from the right to the left and still score. All one had to do was look at Melo from head to toe and you would know he knows who the greatest is!!!
Look up his first three years in the league and his freshman year in college he played defense until the team asked him to rest on defense and focus on offense
You don’t have to go that far back look up the western conference finals nuggets vs lakers when he guarded Kobe
@IGcantstopfactsbreh does anyone one realize that you can say the same for curry but the the team put the right players around him to were his not playing consistent defense wouldn’t matter
Scoring department :
•3pt shootings
•Post play
•Mid rang effectiveness
•Athletic/lay up/finishing at the rim.
•FT shooting
If Gil says he believes in 4 level scoring and you see it as 6 then this 3 level stuff must came from the 60s....😆
Literally it came from back then and they won’t let it elevate how it actually did
Gil believes in 5 levels scoring, clearly u just don’t talk nd pay attn to what Gil says ..
@@josheasy6716 last time i checked it was 4. post, middy, 3, iso....genuinely asking what the 5th is cuz i must have missed him saying that.
@@elliottsmith7530 3 level is layup, middy, 3-ball. 5 level adds post game, dunks, or shot creation
@@Jm3rv 🙄please please please read my question carefully my friend.......i know 4 levels and asked for the 5th....you regurgitated the 3 levels BACK to me smh.....you gave me 3 ways to score that ive already addressed smh. i said post game already and dunking is part of post game not its own level of scoring smh. shot creation is iso smh....so, again i ask, what is the 5th? cuz, again, according to gil there are 4 - post, middy, 3, iso
I see ALOT of Melos game in Banchero. Would love to see him on a better team
bruh paolo is damn tuff fr. if he gets a fully realized melo bag?!!! 😭
Respectable list
Melo talking about the players that have/could have his bag and he said he had to learn the stuff that people don’t see from other legends of the game. In my opinion one guy that could be in that upper echelon is Jabari Smith Jr. Just a young pup and he has the potential. Just my thoughts. Respect. StayMe7o
“Mental telepathy “ 😭😭 2:19
Melo was like that 100! My favorite player after the Kobe and AI era.
A pure scorer is a guy who can literally score from anywhere on the floor in any facet of the game.
A scorer is just a player who scores their respective points in concentrated areas.
Scorers Example is Shaq, Giannis, Kareem, Duncan, LeBron, Wade, and DRose.
Pure Scoring Examples: Bird, Kobe, Melo, TMac, KD, Steph, PG, Paul Pierce, etc.
LeBron scores every facet of the game, 3 point shooting, driving midrange. What offensive moves cant he do?
@@bytheriverinpeace2301tell them.
@@bytheriverinpeace2301 he can't change directions on the dribble, has no crossover move without losing the ball and can't consistently shoot going to his right. Watch old games and you will see that.
@@geebone37man we watch old and new games
I am glad Melo clarified it really comes down to narrative and style. I always said 30 points is 30 points. Don’t mean one is better.
Jayson needs to sit down with you. If he tweaks his game.
He becomes a LEGEND, quicker.
S/N: I'm so glad I found Melo. This podcast is right up my alley.
Sit down down when the basketball GOD is speaking FACTS.
They don't think about LeBron as a bucket person because he was a all around player.
@IGcantstopfactsbrehyou can’t be pass first and be a career 27 ppg player. Cp3, Steve Nash, John Stockton, Magic Johnson, and maybe Jokic… these are true pass first superstars. Bron is a scorer above all else. He’s just unselfish and brilliant similar to Larry Bird or Tim Duncan. He’s not considered a pure scorer because his iso game is limited. The spacing and pace of the NBA game is a cheat code for Bron because he’s the most physically gifted player EVER! He is not, however, a great one on one player, but that’s not how championships are won. He elevates others like only few others before him. I used to say how KD on those great Cavs teams would have struggled to be the 8th seed, but Bron always had them in contention for the first or second spot. This is coming from a Jordan guy, but Bron really is an anomaly.
a scorer above all but he's fourth in assists all time xD aint none of the other top top scorers oat touching that lmao@@Patawon
Longevity vs average
Most definetly can play 1v1@@Patawon
@@peterkoroma7876none of them have played that many games either.
Carmelo In My Favorite Top 5 Players List Always Will Be Too
Top 5 point getters who have/had the “bag”: MJ, Kobe, Durant, Steph, Harden
Finally someone puts respect on harden’s name
Cuzo
Melo.got Rob For
Rookie Of The Year 💯
Kawhi Leonard needed to be brought up in that bucket getter convo
Melo said there’s only about 10 players who are pure scorers. But he named 30 😂 but he’s right bout there are a lot more.
I KNEW IT. I been saying Paulo remind me of young melo. Know I know why. He was in that gym with ‘em.
His list of bucket getters was legit
Also Melo loved to bang in the pist like Shaq!Hell of a Pure Scorer without over Athleticism!
9:16 Iso Jooooooooooe 🔥
Melo laid back as hell 😂😂😂 ill love play for him
As a Knicks fan Getting Julius Randall was so perfect because he is perfect to me he's legit Carmelo Anthony that plays defense
Stop it Melo was a sniper from mid and long range too... Randle is not a great shooter like Melo was
Carmelo was a bucket til he got with the Lakers, and they (LA) never put him in a place where he could showcase how easily buckets come to him.
Real hoopers know Melo a real one
s/o Melo you heard, bringing the NY stylo to the hoops podcast game you heard
Melo breaks the game down so well
Lemon pepper lou could get buckts with the best of them
Theres a difference between a guy jacking up shots and scoring within the flow of the offense
Mahmoud Abdul Raouf aka Cris Jackson, Alex English, Reggie Lewis (RIP),Bernard King,Vinnie "Microwave" Johnson, Jama Mashburn😅
He don’t get a lot of love but Vince Carter was a bucket in his true prime fr💯
anywhere literally, prolly tied with Curry for the most range in shooting as well
Kyrie, kobe, mike, tmac, melo, AI, jamal Crawford, booker, tatum, harden, dame, paul George, monte ellis, gil, Baron Davis
I think pure scorers honestly it’s a lot of em today.
I’d say: Shai, Luka, Kyrie, Book, KD, Melo, CJ, AI, Jordan, D Wade, Ja.., D Fox, Kobe, Dame?, harden! I
Know I’m definitely missing some names
No Allen Iverson 3-4 time scoring champ in a physical era averaging all above 30🤦♂️
There is so many pure scores I love the scores that were great that didn't get a chance to complete for a title like Jamal Mashburn ,Reggie Miller, latrell sprewell
Definitely not Reggie maybe young latrel
Melo best pure scorer with the best offensive bag in history no cap
nah, that would be kyrie, but melo is great as well.
If the list don’t go like this it’s not respected …
Kobe
Jordan
Harden
Melo
McGrady
Best scorers I’ve ever seen
💯
Every single name 💯especially Brandon roy
Haven't watched a second.
Cam thomas must be on here
💯💯💯
There is nothing robotic about having good ball movement and swinging the rock to your teammate
Earl Boykins…underrated pure scorer
as strong af.....benched 300+ if not mistaken
Lebron is a scorer and a passer lol. Dude is #1 all time scoring by a large margin, #4 all time assists at the same time, which is insane because you wont find anyone within top20 scoring that is also within top 20 assists except Oscar Robertson, who is #16 in all time scoring and #8 in all time assists.
The craziest part is Lebron is top 3 in all time player efficiency rating, at age 39!
Jordan can do the same thing Lebron can do he wasn't chose to play that way Jordan averaged a 30-point triple-double over a 11 games stretch when he played as a Point Guard, Jordan also averaged over 40 PPG in the playoffs more than once Lebron being #1 in scoring it's because he played way longer than Jordan Jordan only played 13 yrs for the Bulls & Lebron's still not even close to Jordan in 40-point games.
bruh just cut it, talking about he wasn't chosen to play that way. Lebron passed Jordan on the all time scoring list taking less shot attempts, Lebron aint perfect his self but y'all try to make it seem like Jordan is the best in every single category known to basketball @@kdot6867
Great conversation. I think pure scorers just have a mindset to score and that’s their prime objective even in how they prepare and practice
What we need to be clear on is that being a pure scorer don’t make you a better scorer and also being more efficient don’t always make you better
I rather have Kobe than KD and KD was much more efficient than Kobe. I rather have Melo over KD too
This is a very complex conversation lol