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Oh my god, I thought I knew who mysterious girl was. I’ve been doing crystalline conflict and mysterious girl will put the ignore symbols on ppl who die. Also, they spam the chat constantly. I’ve made it my only goal to target them in any match I play against them lol. So funny that it seems that their toxicity goes outside crystalline conflict!
Mysterious = red flag
I know this SCH too!! As others have mentioned in the comments I too have issues with the SCH. A few months back, I had an experience in Sunken Temple while leveling MCH through running roulettes. I got paired with two sprouts, a PLD and a BLM. Now I don't normally talk in dungeons I basically ignore chat unless for dungeons unless I see someone asking for help. Which I noticed the sprouts did ask and need some mechanic explanations, which is perfectly fine, and so I explain the mechanics to them simple as that. However, this SCH decide that it was a good idea to be uncooperative, barely heal, rude and overly critical of the sprouts, especially the Tank. (Who honestly was doing a lot better job at tanking than I did when I first started playing.) Anyways, after a brief exchange where I told the SCH to knock it off and them calling me names, which is whatever, they tried to vote kick me. Fortunately, the sprouts didn't understand the vote kick prompt, and asked me in chat about it. Which was funny cuz it totally backfired on the SCH and we vote kicked the SCH. It's rare for me to blacklist, but that SCH earned a spot.
Glad the sprouts spoke up first before clicking yes
When I'm healer I just say hey u can pull more mobs so it's faster I can definitely heal through it. And that usually works. I feel like the healer was just jumped to being an ass for no reason
Oh it's THAT SCH, the one known on Crystal DC for being toxic
Is this the same scholar that was spamming GCD heals during TOP downtime?!
that was a sage and no@@GarnetDust24
Yep, myself and several others I know have them blacklisted after interacting in ultimate PF.
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Emi was vote kicked because people don't read who's getting kicked, they see the window pop up and they just click yes assuming the toxic person's the one getting kicked. This is a common troll tactic in MMOs with a vote to kick system that works because people just don't read the name
Exactly. I be they facepalmed afterwards.
This has happened to me many times when I wasn't the one being toxic, but calling out the toxic one. But that is why ff14 though is more strict. Emi could report that she was wrongfully removed and they can check chat logs and see the healer was being toxic AND used the troll tactic. I know they do this, because I used to be friends with someone who liked to troll a lot (i do say friends loosely... we were part of the same circle). Well someone reported it, and he got muted for 3 days. Couldn't message. Couldn't queue for dungeons, etc.
Thats my theory, too...
The worst part is they prob would have finished the dungeon in the time they spent argueing and replacing ppl.
Sometimes its not about the clear anymore, but about making the tank aware that they are not nearly as important as they think they are (I'm a tank main btw). Main Character Syndrome tanks just bring shame to real tanks.
Expecting people to know how to play the game by level 90 on what was the latest dungeon at that time is really not toxic, and there is no such thing as justified griefing from a tank intentionally trying to get their team killed to "show who is boss".
As I like to say "make a good community, dont just make it look like one". Enabling toxicity from people playing like ass just reinforces in their minds that its ok to play like that because some smuck will carry them anyways, which just ends up being completely negative towards the goal of making the community better in every way. You should instead try to encourage better plays, and shun toxic moves like "You pull, you tank".
Especially when the tank has every job maxed and has high parses in endgame content as a tank. Clearly they're not new to the game nor tanking. They just got into a fit over someone else pulling.
I cannot say this is that simple we only have the video from someone who could be considered questionable since the information about them screwing over that TOP static is present and it is just a slice of the second pull of that dungeon. We do not know what happened on the first boss or prior but I would bet he was talking shit as he blurred out the chat despite streaming his name and the fact he is using UI mods.
@@Kuhazan I doubt it because they showed they can easily keep themselves alive alone on the pull. Also like I already said: There is no such thing as justified griefing, and specially not when its just a tank who was shown they aren't needed for a single pull. They may have a bad rep in raids, but they are not wrong in expecting the tank to do more than single pulls at this point.
Yeah, at high level, you need to W2W but ... There is no need to be that toxic about that. You just don't pull, and if the tanks does not do it, you ask him to w2w, and if he is not comfortable with it, just go with it.
I think I know this SCH, he’s the only person I blacklisted in ffxiv.
It was months back, when I going into Wanderer’s Palace as a tank for the first time. I watched the guide beforehand, so I was ready to pull wall to wall. But when I finished the opening animation, he just ran ahead. I sprinted and tried to follow, he just kept pulling. I try to get aggros of the mobs on him while following. Because he doesn’t heal me, I kept dying. Then he pulled too many mobs and he dies. Others in the party tried to ask him not pull ahead like in the video, and he just ignores all of us.
At the end, we just ignored him. We go at our own pace and kill mobs one pack by one pack while the summoner tries to heal me. If a group of mobs overflows us because he died again, we just ran back to where we are and continued. We managed to finish the dungeon like that.
I was new so I didn’t know we could kicked him at the time. If I knew, I would have kicked him. I blacklisted him right after that run.
Good. Nobody should put up with that...
This is exactly what I was getting my point at, when I see someone just going ahead and does that as if there is no need for a tank, I don't want to waste my time if the healer too bust popping their heals on themself then out of sources when I finally do grab the mobs or the dps straight up die quickly before the healer can cast. It's infuriating.
As a SCH main and on Crystal, we dont associate with him.
Toxic is an understatement. I actually blacklisted AND reported this very same SCH for screaming at me in Zadnor shout chat when I failed the Lyon 1v1 duel on my very first attempt. Dude called me a duel sniper, saying I stole it from him, (when it's all just RNG), and then told me to "leave it to someone who knows wtf they're doing" when I had just watched a guide and was trying to learn/prog. People couldn't believe he was actually mad and told him to touch grass, but I reported him. He made a nice addition to my blacklist, right up there with Monka Giga.
I hate people like that, claiming you sniped. It’s the same shit with BA. I don’t care if there’s a special discord dedicated to pre groups, you don’t get to dictate how people play the game. The portals are there for everyone and if someone wants to enter it’s their right to, especially if they know nothing about the discord groups.
I’ve heard many stories of these pre groups being so toxic to people who have no idea what’s going on, claiming they’ve “sniped” a portal.
If you're gonna complain about pulling aggro from peeps, don't queue in expert
As a tank main, just pop your sprint and AOE
Especially in that dungeon? There's only at most 2 packs of mobs at a time
I think it is small pp energy to follow the "You pull it, you tank it" mindset but, I think it was even smaller pp energy for the scholar to approach it the way he did and not be civil about it.
It easily could've been fixed if the healer went "Sorry, would you mind pulling more please?" And if the tank refused, then the healer has all the right to just leave the dungeon if they can't handle waiting a few extra minutes
@@Naoto-kun1085 They both were in the wrong.
This community is nice to a fault, literally a known , misogynistic, and childish toxic player but he still has his defenders. I dont get it. Not to mention this healer has popped up in MORE THAN ONE drama from two different people, I guess this one being himself. It really speaks for itself.
I know more than one person who have this SCH blacklisted after interacting with them in PF, and I swear I've seen them more than once or twice myself.
he can be a piece of trash but also be right about tanks not pulling wall to wall. it's really not difficult idc if you're a new player or not.
@@Bon-Gi And yet many try to make it out to be difficult. Probably those that have never tanked at all before.
I don't know the healer and I don't care who they are but in that situation they are just right
@@RealElSteino They are about the healer's attitude but not about who should or shouldn't pull
A year or two ago when i was a sprout progressing msq for the 1st time as DRK, i once encountered a healer lala when needing to do Ktisis, they were a mentor and for whatever reason that means stalking my mitigations, calling out all my missed uptimes, pulling mobs ahead to the point where i and both dps had to stop rotations to catch up to them, and not healing me at all (they dont revive me either) causing all wipes, all done in a very hostile non-mentoring manner and causing negative energy to loom throughout the run. If it's my 1st time in a dungeon and you see that i loaded in watching a cutscene, no im not doing wall to wall in a dungeon where i wouldnt even know where the walls are, and that does not mean you as healer get to do it for me just bc you "wanna get this over with" (exact words) even though i explained to you i want to take it a bit slow so i remember things like idk the literal dgn someone designed? (one of the prettiest in the game imo) and you don't get to say a word about anyone's mitigation usage when you're literally typing more than you are actually healing, again i'm DRK not warrior and this is a lvl 87 dgn and it hits hard, do your own job as healer maybe, and don't micromanage other people if you don't want others calling urself out for using 0 healing OR dps skills bc you're typing 90% of the run, you can't be saying its for dpsmaxxing when you stayed consistently the lowest of your own uptime. Their name is Jee Co from Jenova btw idc im exposing his ahh💀u gotta be really impressive to be the 1st and only person in my blacklist even after all this time
The scholar may be a dick, but he was correct on the dungeon. As a tank, not pulling mobs that are attacking the party members is griefing, and reportable. YPYT should not be accectable. This is a team game, if you want to go slower use the trust system instead of leaving your party members to die.
No he isn't, it's a Tanks job to draw Aggro, but it's not the tank's problem if some who shouldn't be pulling mobs, is pulling aggro by pulling ahead.
@@RvnWolfthe tanks job is to hold aggro, not to pull. “You pull you tank is grieving, it’s against the games TOS and is reportable.
Man this dude is collecting enemies left and right.
I gotta say Xenos is a wrong with his take about tanking wall to wall. It really comes down to the player, their class, the Healer and the Dungeon.
Some Dungeons its easier to that with an experienced tank and healer in keeping them up. Their are mobs that do more damage than others, simply because of how fast they can attack or any debuffs that come with.
And I'm not new to tanking, tho my experience is tanking is from WoW, where the mitigation is stronger than whats in FFXiv, namely because they don't level sync the armor.
So my gear plays a huge role in my assisting my defensive cds that are way shorter than ffxiv but more powerful.
While in ffxiv I'm leveling Gun breaker and it takes multiple cds to survive big groups clutching out for a decent heal at times.
I agree, if dungeons were meant to always be pulled wall to wall then they wouldn't be separated into two packs!
He’s a WAR main what do you expect?
i never quitt a dungeon bc of this i dont get it
If you're playing with any group you can't tolerate: Shut up and get through the content as quickly as possible OR disconnect and re-queue... There's no point in engaging with toxicity, it gets nothing done and wastes time
"Just leave the party" gives you a 30 minute penalty so that's not really a good option. The healer's attitude in chat was wrong and made the situation worse. Pulling the enemies for the party, when not the tank, is not toxic. There are better ways to approach this sort of situation than to immediately flame people.
The tank is wrong as a tank is not necessarily the puller. I agree with Xenos that post ARR dungeons should be pulled wall to wall by default with maybe minor exceptions some spicy sections in a few leveling dungeons. If you're going to go outside of the norm, which in this case is not doing wall to wall, then you need to communicate it beforehand.
They should remove the penalty so people can dip if they're stuck with someone still trying to 1 pull mobs at level 90. At what point is the amount of handholding too ridiculous? I don't think the scholar should have been rude, but if you're still babying someone at level 90 with how easy the recent dungeons are, it's like bruh.
Before the vid even played I was like already on the scholar side because I thought the other 3 were wasting time. Then the actual vid played and after hearing all the things sch was saying I’m like, how are you a victim in this? Sounded like a complete asshole
I get the debate between the YPYT and other players, but if/when I run into this in duty finder, I'll just leave b/c I have zero patience for this crap lol. The scholar needs to calm down, but from what I saw in the TOP video, he was prepared to just keep debating his method forever which is a huge red flag for me. The goals of the group should always take priority over one person in my opinion.
He is quite a few Static Blacklists for his behavior
dude I know this is very late but literally day one of me coming back to FFXIV a month ago I ended up running into Mysterious Girl in a leveling queue with them as a healer. I had no idea about the video and the drama behind it. It was Doma Castle, and interaction at the start was basically:
Healer: "Yo tank, you doing fast pulls?"
Tank: "I mean yeah"
Healer: "Heck yeah"
and then we were fine cuz we breezed through. I didn't really think anything about this interaction until i saw the Xenos react video and i was like "wait a minute I saw them like... yesterday what" was really wild
Who does expert roulette? I do it with NPCs and I never do it again🤣I did do it with a friend and failed epically🤪
I wish there was an ffxiv specific AITA. The scholar needs to learn that sass and sarcasm is antagonistic, especially when you don’t know anyone. Even when edited, everything the scholar highlighted as his response just looked aggressive negative lmao.
I though When you queue into a dungeon there was an agreement to work together. That would mean to follow the groups pace, and if you’re not satisfied by it then talk it out?
99% of my queues if a tank is doing small pulls then the healer/dps would either match the pace or inform that they can go bigger. It’s a difference of 5mins at BEST and everyone is happy.
doing small pulls is a waste of time and deserving of a kick
@@beergrillsreading your comment was a waste of time and definitely worth a ban.
Wow.... I have so much to say about this. But Xenos' take was so appalling to me. As was the Scholar's behavior who posted the original video. I have tanked roulettes where you get another party member, dps or healer, that decides that they want to do the pulling. I tend to pull w2w as it is expected. But while doing that players still break their ankles in a rush to overshoot you and hit mobs first as if you're not moving fast enough. I have learned to deal with such unprotocool behavior as I know how to regain aggro and control over the mob. But if a tank is not so great at their job or class, and are learning, it can be difficult for that player to clean up the mess the "puller" just made. And when aggro goes haywire, dps get nervous, and thus less damage is being done and things go further off the rails. All of that can have the adverse effect of the speed run the puller wanted. If the party isn't moving fast enough for you, you should be the one to leave and find another group, IMO. It's insane that people can't be understanding and WORK TOGETHER as the game intended. You queue in as a particular role for a legitimate reason. Healers and DPS shouldn't be the ones intentionally pulling mobs, it's not your role. Just because you CAN pull wall to wall, doesn't mean that you SHOULD for every group/party. It may not be feasible for the particular party that you're in. It doesn't matter if the dungeon is designed for wall to wall pulling. Learn the party you're in and adjust accordingly and respectfully. Not everyone is in that roulette for a speed run, and it's cooperative content.This is just, what I view as common sense. If I pull wall to wall, and a healer or someone can't keep up with healing or dps is low, i will adjust as this group is struggling. It's better to slow down to help people grow and learn than to be in such a rush that you ruin the experience for others who struggle to keep pace. No personal sense of urgency is worth being toxic and antagonistic to your teammates. It's not exhibiting the "friendly community culture" FFXIV is known for.
wait why are we acting like emi was being toxic at all? all emi did was question why the scholar was antagonizing the rest of the party. it seems as though neither the gunbreaker nor emi were comfortable with how the scholar wanted to play and they both questioned it. i dont think that counts as toxicity at all, especially not compared to the scholar. this was very disappointing to watch.
Yea I did say the scholar was toxic first in that video as for everything else I’m going by the vid that was presented and the others didn’t seem bad at all, they were just taking the dungeon slower.
The only discomfort was that the tank felt that they were the only one that should be pulling. The tank has all jobs maxed and high parses as a tank in endgame content. They don't come up in fflogs but you can see them in Emi's lfogs as they frequently queue together.
As a tank main I love when people pull trash to me. Makes my life easier.
That being said the healers attitude with comments is what was rude an a bit out of line.
Just leave that party of you don't jive.
When I was healing I met a newer tank. We were in aburitumn. The other three of us convinced the tank to go wall to wall. I showed them how to use rescue to take tank into the rest of the trash. Bit I got there permission first. The tank didn't die. She had a blast to go nuts for the first time.
We started to run stuff together an I tought her how to be a wall to wall tank.
My point is just talk an if the team dynamics don't work for you leave. No bad blood.
Remember as a tank arms length is a good cd, and SPRINT is the best cd (dodge)!
I like how the video at 3:00 says “tanking is really hard” and then pathra translates this for us as “tanking is very easy” isn’t English wonderful
Interesting discourse about YPYT. I don't agree with the majority of people on the subject but that's okay. I'm glad we are having the convo!
The SCH was out of line (apparently they're known for being a shithead but that's beside the point), but they were right. w2w is standard in lv90 content and griefing others isn't okay. The tank is NOT the designated puller, their purpose is to take aggro (it takes ONE BUTTON to do so, mind you) and be the HP sponge. Every dungeon is the same at this point, there is absolutely no excuse to not w2w when you should know the routine long before Aetherfont. Being "new" to the dungeon doesn't mean you magically forgot how to press the same buttons you've been pressing for many hours prior to that point. Expecting the bare minimum is NOT toxic, however the SCH's hostility definitely was.
My healers like to pull ahead of me and it's very annoying but I'm a tired dude after work so I'm slower than others so I forgive it.
Add on: As someone who mains Paladin than switches flavors between Gunbreaker and Dark Knight myself... yeah I feel tanking can be easy is some aspects but can be a bigger responsibility once you start hitting more advanced content.
This Scholar is still an ass though.
All you have to do is press your AOE buttons when they bring the mobs to you.
Is it a bigger responsibility? Because I find tanking only gets easier and easier as you get more abilities, while trash mobs stay the exact same. PLD has so much healing baked into it I can run 90 dungeons with just Holy Sheltron.
As long as the people running ahead aren't dying, it's just less damage you're taking. Bonus if DPS hit Arms Length.
A max level dungeon has zero place for "you pull you tank", if you're playing max level as a tank, you have one job - that is holding aggro. Your job is not pulling, your job is HOLDING AGGRO (straight from hall of the novice by the way). If you're going to get butthurt that someone pulled before you, just stop playing tank, tanking in FF14 dungeons is so braindead easy, you press your AoE once or twice and you have aggro, the way you play literally does not change regardless of whether you're fighting three mobs or thirty. Do your JOB and tank. SCH may be an asshole, but up until he started being an ass in chat he did nothing wrong. The way FF14 works, you do not need a tank for dungeons. You also don't need a healer depending on which tank you're running past like level sixty (hello warriors). All tanks do is make dungeons faster by enabling wall to wall pulls, acting like the tank is what sets the pace or is the party lead is absolutely ridiculous.
Plus, it's LITERALLY against the TOS to pull a "you pull you tank". Griefing, lethargic gameplay, assisting enemies, it's reportable on multiple accounts. People need to get over their egos and just press their buttons. Plus, other party members' HP is just extra mit for the tank. ALSO melee jobs have ARMS LENGTH, an actual defensive cooldown that saves the tank a cooldown (SLOW IS MIT), so a melee pulling and throwing up arm's length is actually helping the tank.
Also, only half of the party has to agree for a vote kick - only two people in dungeons, four people in eight mans.
Name change incoming after getting exposed, in to continuing awful behaviour. Sad to see people being like this, pretty poor behaviour. Ty for the video, was interesting!
im sure people have the lodestone number saved by now, people cant hide in this game sadly
Yeah he's on the pf blacklist list permanently now.
Poor guy will learn the hard way that people dont put up with toxic shit in this game.
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Ok so the healer is know to be toxic as hell i have run content with them and i took the 30 minutes instead. I am surprised they are still able to play and didnt get banned. Also player might be coming back nor a clicker haha so meaning something running and keeping stuff is harder to keep adds
not many know the secret technique : reporting them on lodestone because the in game report is trash.
@@Kuhazan with experience it isn't haha but ya I mean if you don't sent proof of the offence they can't do thing
Xenos opinions tend to suck. Tried to listen to him and he just always seems to be a disappointment.
I think he intentionally makes the worst takes possible in order to both appease the elitist and toxic hardcore player base and to rage bait the rest of the player base
There is always the "waste peoples time" thing thrown around but unless the person is kicked which they simply can get by going AFK the wait time of 30 minutes to do anything for leaving you may as well had done the dungeon with the single pulls because now you are adding that plus another groups time to your total.
Pull everything, the toxic party lets you die to "teach you a lesson". They then kill the mobs because they aren't going to let themselves die. Repeat the process for the rest of the dungeon. It's faster than single pulls.
Exactly, even if you do single pulls it doesn't add much time onto the dungeon, I don't get why people act like single pulls are going to take 40 minutes
People spend WAY too much time trying to figure out trolls.
People forget new players come to the game. So everything this dude said pisses me off. New players aren't gonna know you can pull wall to wall when they're starting out. This dude making the reaction video is gross.
Classic Xenos L, running his mouth and not spending a second to think about the situation from more than 1 point of view.
Also with the state of 14, we dont know if he agreed to the new stat or just paid to be carry/clear.
It’s crazy how people like this upload videos thinking people will support them 😂
I agree with the sentiment that tanks should be less uppity about their dungeoning, and if someone pulls some extra, accidentally or purposefully just grab it.
Maybe say something in chat to express displeasure like a little "please don't do that, I'm new" or whatever.
At this point, everyone is fine and blameless.
But as soon as someone is rude in the chat, they're the bad guy.
SCH wasn't wrong (in the dungeon), he was just an asshole.
Reminder that Xenos admitted in a tweet he later deleted to buying/paying RMT for clears/gears. Anything this man says about decorum in this game must be taken with a lot of salt and presumably quite a bit of green.
He’s a consistent min-max munchkin too, being ‘friendly’ out one side of his mouth and berating people that don’t min-max out of his other.
In a word; he isn’t the person to ask about behavior in a 90 dungeon since there’s a good chance the man’s actually done less end game content than most.
Form your own opinion instead: the SCH was wrong and should have asked-they got pissy and acted a fool.
The Tank got pissy and acted a fool.
Everyone’s time was wasted an Emi got kicked via a common trolling/bullying tactic abusing the kick system.
This is why I hate Xenos' content, the fact that he sided with the healer shows what a toxic and elitist person he is!
The healer not only deserved that kick, they deserve an account suspension. That is no way to treat other players jsut trying to enjoy the game at their own pace. Xenos is one of the worst representations of the entire FF14 community and shouldn't be any kind of representation for the player base, he actively promotes toxic behavior and spreads intolerance for other players for arrogant reasons. So many people come to ff14 as an escape from the toxic realities of life, they don't need some asshole bullying here too.
That goes both ways you know? Trying to get your team killed on purpose out of spite is not exactly a friendly and kind behaviour. There is no such thing as justified griefing.
You also need to remember that ff14 is a multiplayer team game, and that you are not the only person playing it. A good example: you might think its ok to put little effort on things since its your "escape from toxic realities", but by doing that you make everyone else's time in the game harder and worse, people who also have their own lives and their own struggles, and who dont want to spend 40 minutes stuck in a duty carrying people or risk getting lashed out for daring to say anything about it. Please tell me who really is the selfish toxic asshole there?
I just feel like the healer was being an ass. If he wanted to do this kind of thing then yeah he should’ve been a tank and did this damn thing. Because what’s the point of having a tank if he’s doing the tanks job, he should’ve just done what a normal healer does and get behind a tank and heal when needed. He seems like a player who should be playing solo games, not multiplayer games because not everybody is on the same page as he is. because I’m sorry I don’t feel sympathy for the healer. I feel sympathy for everybody else. If you want to do these kind of things, you need to get players who thinks like you and play with them don’t be going on a roulette that has different random people to do the hard content.
I don’t usually play as healer because unfortunately I deal with a lot of Tanks who refuse to use their own mitigations to make healing a bit easier, so I gave up being healer and just opt dps instead
That goes both ways, you cannot jump into a roulette and expect to get carried without any complaints, or to take 3 strangers hostage in an hour long run just because you dont feel like putting any effort. Its a team game, you have to do your part, and if you can't put effort for your team then you are welcome to play solo with bots, they are a thing now. I really should not even need to say that its toxic to always expect strangers to drag you through finish lines without any complaints.
I thought that name looked familiar. I've seen them on Balmung. Anyway, while the healer WAS being a toxic asshat (and comments here seem to indicate it's a common occurrence), the tank was also being passive aggressive. I'm guilty of doing this myself, but I usually communicate with the healer first if they're fine. Don't ass-ume, it makes asses of everyone. However, it's not the healers duty to determine how to pull a dungeon, theirs is to keep people alive. This is just my own limited opinion as I'm not into 90 content myself but I have been playing FF14 for years and I don't condone or encourage this behavior.
The tank doesn't set the pace, all players in the party do. As a tank main I can tell you: all we do is hold aggro and mitigate damage. Anyone can do single pulls, as that healer showed. A tank can make wall pulls easy, that is all. Forcing others to do single pulls not only is a big waste of time, it basically turns you into a weaker dps class.
You’ve been playing for years and you’re not in 90 content?
Thanks job is to hold aggro, anyone can pull. Do better.
@@an6291 I stopped because I had an issue where FF would crash constantly no matter what I did. That was around the launch of Shadowbringers. It was incredibly frustrating where I would be doing something (questing, running a dungeon, just standing in Limsa) and I would crash. . Always random. I could be fine for 3 hours or I would crash 4 times in 15 minutes. So I gave up. Picked it up again last year when I started a new character to play with someone else and pretty much paused my progress, again, when they lost interest. I only just started progressing again.
As for pulls, if the tank isn't paying attention or isn't a good tank in general, if the healer pulls and gets overwhelmed and dies then typically the rest of the party follows suit. I'm not saying no one else can pull, I tank myself (currently DRK and GNB and do wall to wall myself depending on the healer), just that it can pay to be cautious at time depending on the situation.
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SCH is ridiculous though
First!
this is a terrible take manners are a thing, wanna queue alone use trust. it does not matter how easy the dungeon is play the game how its meant to be played don't like it just leave.
I'm on the healers side its an end game dungeon they should know to wall to wall by that point.
The chat and other toxic behaviour though nah, although if the party completed the dungeon the way it was intended it wouldn't of happened.
Yea I get you but usually all u need to do is say hey u can pull wall to wall I can heal through it and they pull faster
@@ressesdave2250 Shouldn't have to ask, though.
@Nesaru I don't see why it would be common knowledge to everyone people level up through the story its not hard to get to 90 and there is alot u don't know when u get there. As a healer I just went at the tanks pace cause I was just enjoying the story when I was first playing through
@@ressesdave2250 It may not be common knowledge for them at first, but once they encounter a few people saying "pull more" or have things pulled and returned to them, then that should be a clue in for them that "oh this is the norm."
By level 50-90, it should be common knowledge. By level 90 and in a 6.4 dungeon it should have been common knowledge ages ago.
@Nesaru alot of people don't really care how much ur pulling if ur a sprout people usually give them a pass.
people jumping to immediate hostility on this game make me roll my eyes a bit i’m not gonna lie. if you wanted to do this quickly you should’ve just gotten your friends to play with you
i'm willing to bet them acting like this is precisely why their friends (if they have any) do not want to play with them. i know i wouldn't want to hang out with anyone that acted like that.
Bold of you to assume SCH player has any friends to play with. lol
@@baronfuath5872honestly if a small argument escalates to name calling i just stay silent, finish the dungeon and then blacklist and move on with my day. at the end of it all if you can’t cooperate with random people in an MMORPG, you need to find a different game to play that caters to your specific playstyle.
Xeno saying the healer should be mad the tank wasn't war made me roll my eyes. Such typical elitist mentality.
@@gpturismodon’t watch the dude but seeing him get that worked up was ridiculous lmfao i can’t stand people with short tempers like that on this game
I mean i agree with the Healer in this, this is a 90 dungeon how many fucking dungeons have you done since ARR? Doesn't matter in this scenario if you can't pull wall to wall then go on another class, i would get pissed as well. You are just wasting peoples time.
If you get pissed from that then you’re chronically online and need a break. People have temper tantrums over the smallest shit. The pace not being to you liking doesn’t justify you being an ass.
Vote kick, problem solved.
I love how you didnt even make a comment about them just standing there and literally griefing the group which is against TOS btw lol pulling ahead of the tank isnt. But i do agree the healer is rude but the rest of these people are no better. Also they all just agreed to kick because they didnt read the kick and assumed it was for the healer LOL
Xeno arguing hat the Tank not being a Warrior is the toxicity why I only do end game content with friends. It's not prog. Get over yourselves please.
He's saying if you don't know how to tank in dungeons, you should pick warrior since it's the easiest tank to play in dungeons. Though these days except for maybe Dark Knight all of them are pretty easy. Gunbreaker you just cycle Heart of Corundum, Rampart, Arm's Length, Camo, Reprisal, Nebula, Aurora and if you know how to use it competently, Superbolide is also there. Then you just spin in a circle with a 123 aoe combination. That is all you have to do is just spin like a Beyblade, look at your hp and hit one of the many list of mitigation buttons if your mitigation is about to wear out.
That was 100% a joke, a lot of people take Xeno at face value without understanding how he jokes.
Xeno Tourist lol, that was a joke
@@syverah_nahja4047 I should of been more clear, people who actually act like that specifically, not xeno himself/ "Xeno Tourist?" lol.
@@syverah_nahja4047it just wasn’t funny then if that’s the case lmao
Wow, and I was told there was no drama in FFIV, that the mods wasn't suppose to let it go on. Watching your video's shows it like any other game, sadly. Happy I haven't bought it with all exp's.
Just because people say FFXIV has a good community doesn't mean there aren't bad eggs. I've never seen anyone say that there's no drama in FFXIV. It's unreasonable to expect a perfect community where everyone is positive and nice all the time. But the reason people praise FFXIV's community is because generally the good experiences with people outweigh the bad ones. But if you're looking for a game where you never encounter a toxic person ever, then I'd recommend sticking to single player games.
The bald headed dude is the scholar?
That's Xenosys Vex, a streamer/TH-camr. He watched the videos on his stream and uploaded his reaction to TH-cam. He is not the scholar.
You’ be excuse for thinking so, the way he vehemently defended their toxic behavior.
If I am playing dnc in casual contents in the future, I'll definitely give the partner to healers as healers can solo mobs ^^
The excuse of "this is my first time" doesn't fly. if you have done 1 dungeon you have done them.
For you maybe.
@@eldenlion5850If you mean boss mechanics sure, but 2 packs, wall, 2 packs, wall, boss, repeat is 80% of the dungeons post-ARR.
Sometimes people want to enjoy the atmosphere and not rush things!
Ypyt is garbage and so is anyone that does it. They are standing around griefing.
You only need two people to kick in a dungeon. They’ve made this game so easy that if you don’t pull efficiently, use trusts.
Why should the healer leave if the other players are terrible? Your take on this is bad it’s a good sense of why this community skill wise has died.
Everyone shown sucked, the griefers, the healer, etc. all awful
The healer griefed first by pulling too much tbh
I think people just like the drama. If someone is being toxic and rude for no reason, just Vote Kick them out and report them. There is zero need to put up with any of that crap. SE has made it a bannable offense to grief or be toxic in parties, so no need to "deal with it" at all. Kick and report. Easy.
But this ridiculous idea that people *need* to pull "wall to wall" ain't gonna fly either. There's a reason why the mobs are spaced out in segments, not all together in one huge mass at the end of the wall. So no. If a tank or a healer doesn't feel comfortable enough to pull wall to wall, *they don't have to*. Encouraging people to just "leave the party" in cases like this is hella toxic too. People have to understand that when you PUG, you will have to deal with all sorts of skill levels. Some not so good, some amazing. That's the nature of PUGs. If you don't wanna deal with anything, don't do rando PUGs and just run with friends or FC. The only time I do recommend leaving a party is if the party keeps wiping repeatedly even after mechanics have been explained, or if a troll isn't kicked from the party. Then you just say "eff that" and leave.
Hi, Emi here (the summoner), allow me to clear up a few things.
1. The really sad thing is that we where doing big pulls, we allways W2W pull, heck my motto when I heal is that "if I can dps pull more or the dungeon does not let us" we where also going to in this case it is just the tank wanted to do 2 aoe attacks on the pack before going to the next to make sure he had agro as the 3rd in our party kept ripping agro by spamming aoe attacks as we ran to the next pack.
2. We was not expressing the You pull you tank mentality that some think we where, all we was doing is waiting for the loot timer to expire as the SCH refused to roll on loot - holding us hostage as they knew we wanted to kick them, once the loot timer expired we killed everything so we could kick them for the horrible attitude, yes I got kicked by mistake and it is quite funny but what they fail to show because of how edited the video is that so did they about 20 seconds later.
P.S for all those saying "Level 90 is not new to the game" I think you forget how easy and quick it is to get a level 90 and how much of a free ride it is for dps, you can start from fresh and if you skip story be level 90 within around a week no problem, also with that some people just remove the spout as they do not like it then it is very easy to be in the endgame dungeon with no sprout and little knowlage of the game, you can also just buy a skip and level skip and you are in endwalker and only need to do like 8 dungeons and be in the final one, and a fair few players see how long the story is and opt for the skip, so being at level 90 means nothing.
Also this event happend like 5-6 months ago...
-Thanks for reading
1: Dungeons are linear corridors, you can't get lost, it doesn't matter if someone is one step ahead of the tank because the mobs will end up being dragged the same exact place anyways. Aggro management is also a joke nowdays and its very easy to take aggro back, not to mention you can just use your ranged attack as a tank while on the move.
2: This entire situation being born of someone stepping ahead of the tank at all is literally "you pull you tank". Also I remember the original post with the actual video that mentions they themselves said they got kicked afterwards, but that it was still funny that people blindly voted yes.
And about the PS: No one has the obligation to carry someone who boosted themselves up and didn't try to learn how to play the game. I shouldn't even need to say this but: It's much more rude to expect strangers to carry your lazy ass than it is for strangers to expect you to know how to play your class and the game by level 90 on the latest dungeon.
There's a reason why "Great Community BTW" is a meme. You don't care about making a good community, only about making it Look like one. "Let's all lie to each other and pretend that everything is nice and good, and never acknowledge any of the bad." What if maybe instead of babying someone at max level and going "you're doing great sweetie", we actually encourage them to not play like shit? There's an idea.
@@verothix
1. I agree dungeons are linear but you missed the point, WE WHERE WALL TO WALL PULLING, doing one extra GCD to make sure you have agro is totally fine and not a big deal.
2. You again missed the point, we where waiting for them to roll on loot so we could kick them for being toxic, nothing to do with making them tank, we knew that if we did not wait for them to roll on loot then the second boss would die by the time it timed out and we would be stuck with them and we where not wanting to play with a toxic player like that, it is well within our rights to not be harassed and decide to not play with that player - when he pulled ahead before the first boss the tank DID take agro back why do you think it jump cuts to after the first boss.
On the point you made after that, I totally agree and if he did not want to play to the standard the group was doing at the time he was well within his rights to leave, the group ruled that that was the way the dungeon was going to be done, just because one person did not want it done like that then they are totally within their rights to leave.
Also on ths last point, I totally agree and know the FFXIV community is toxic, that is why drama videos like these are made and always do well, people love the drama because they are toxic, as for the "Stop babying people" argument, I again agree but it is also not my responsibility to teach someone who I had only known for lie 2 dungeons how to play the game in the best manner, the game needs to do a better job of teaching people how to play the game by not giving everyone a free ride, I am not saying make notmal trials all like extremes but dps checks where if the dps are not doing a decent rotation then they can not clear them or tankbusters that make tanks use mitigations would be a decent start where as right now you can do the entirety of normal content with only spamming 1 dps button and not be punished and clear everyhing on a dps and also never use a tank mitigation and again, never be punished, the game does not teach you how to play your class and that is an issue.
You did not clear things up besides your group having severe skill issues. 0 reason for the tank to waste time doing multiple gcds (or even aoe sometimes). Just fucking use tank ranged attack while running if someone manages to grab aggro. Also even if someone has aggro during the pull why the fuck do you care? Just bring it to the tank at the end and he get's aggro in 1-2 gcds without wasting time. Your 3rd guy is DNC so he will end right next to tank anyway assuming he's not also special.
Good job for knowing the kick requirements at least. But you did not show any evidence of his supposed 'horrible attitude' before what's in the video? Or is him doing the pull properly and not waiting for your challenged tank supposed to be 'horrible attitude'? If so you quite literally having that YPYT mentality.
If you skip to 90 at least try to not be a fucking sandbag or just play with trust instead of griefing other players.. If you don't then you deserve to be called out and your shit. Sadly I know the community is full of toxic casuals who will encourage your behaviour.
@@Wingedarc "Toxic positivity" is a thing too you know? Where you try so hard to make it look like a nice community that you start to do shit like letting people die and afking like that without noticing how shitty that is. "Be happy and nice, or else...".
People shouldn't have to eat a penalty because of Others playing like shit, this should not need to be stated. Dragging the bottom denominators through the finish line on duties shouldn't be the standard.
You enabled the tank to throw a tantrum over the healer steping ahead of them when you yourself said there were no issues otherwise. Nothing bad happened from this, if what you are saying there is true then you should have just pushed on with the duty over going afk to try and kick the healer out to make the tank's bruised ego happy. You were not the good guy on this story. At best, every person in the party was an asshat and not just that guy.
1. DPS will survive if they pull hate during pulls and the SCH themselves has shown it's not a huge issue. So long as whoever has hate sticks to the tank, then everything is fine and free mitigation for the tank (anyone else who took damage does not need to be healed unless there's a mob that uses unavoidable attacks on random party members).
2. So were you going to kick them because they were pulling before the tank, or because of their attitude after the fact? I'm only asking because the three of you chose to stand around and do nothing (which is also toxic as it comes off as you three bullying one player, which can make the SCH's attitude appear more like frustration from being griefed), while the SCH did everything. It honestly sounds like this whole issue would have never happened if the tank just used Demon Slice.
3. You still need to do multiple dungeons and Trials to get to the 6.4 dungeon. Tower of Zot is the first dungeon a level boost player has to do and that's pretty much the only "difficult" dungeon in the entire expansion (there's six w2w pulls, iirc). Once a player clears that, they've done every single trash pull in a dungeon before they even enter Tower of Babil.
People actually defeding a YPYT tank? This community is truly hopeless.
If you were paying attention no one's defending them the SCH in general is right regarding the dungeon but he is an ass
People actually defending a toxic healer? This community is truly hopeless.
Bruh it's expert roulette. The current dungeons can be cleared by a group of four cats rolling on keyboards. Anyone who gets into an ego issue over expert roulette should only touch grass until they fix themselves. Since the beginning of Endwalker you can do the dungeons with 0 tank. So it doesn't make sense to care. Even if it's their first time all the Endwalker dungeons are literally the same. It's 2 packs to boss x3 for every single dungeon which is it's own problem. Something with the name of Expert roulette should require a tank that can pull more than one pack. You're level 90, it's not Satasha. That dungeon in particular is a problem because the bosses are also just there too. The final boss in that dungeon is a giant sandbag with maybe two mechanics and you can get hit by every single aoe and be fine. I am not expecting anything, but I hope Dawntrail fixes dungeons.
Current mainline content is made to the lowest player bar and since you can buy level and story skips and run into Endwalker content without any real game knowledge, dungeons have to be made with the idea that some people going into them do not know anything about what they're doing rather than the thought that people have four expansions of knowledge behind them.
The healer is in the wrong and im annoyed that Xenos sides with him. It's a flag for the xiv community to think this is okay to do. If somebody is pulling too slow you let them know they can pull more. You don't come out of the gates being a dickhead. I know Xenos tries to act like this for his image of being a hardass and hardcore raider or whatever but its cringe.
The healer may be a dick but he's 100% right. That 3 stack is bunch toxic casuals.
I wonder how many people actually know the difference in clear times in a wall to wall vs a single pack dungeon.
Spoiler, it's 3 to 5 minutes. Thats it. Is it worth a 30 minute queue penalty? Absolutely not. (Assuming of course everyone is aoeing)
I have been in a wide variety of dungeons both leveling and "end game" and the timing for either is nothing to rage about or complain about ESPECIALLY if it's a single roulette (expert, leveling, w/e)
People also seem to forget that SE and Yoshi P design this game to be as casual friendly as possible. I can totally see them making every single dungeon only have the ability to single pack pull if this whole thing becomes a big enough deal. Shit, it's bad enough they cut monster exp from killing trash from the dungeons and the fact that you can't sacrifice pull anymore to make the dungeons even faster. People really be up in arms over an extra 3-5 minutes for roulettes, ones you do once a day mind you, as if someone is trying to take away their first born child's favorite toy or something. Honestly, with the vast lack of content we have to deal with in this expansion, people should be thankful they have a reason to stay logged in for those few extra minutes and get a little more value out of the money they spend on their subs.
It's definitely more time than 3-5 minutes you are wasting and it must be nice to be so flippant about wasting other people's time and not feel like a piece of shit because you're lazy. It's not just a time difference, it's also the difference between having fun in a video game and it being a total chore because someone can't be bothered to do their homework. Nobody wants to be the person who does little to no effort in a group project and it's wild to me that people glorify or defend that shit.
@@frostyliciousmayne time it. You’ll see there is a very small difference in completion time.
@@frostyliciousmayne further, you’re already grieving yourself by not capping tomes* from hunt trains. If we’re really going to complain about wasting time in an mmo, a game type designed from the ground up to waste your time.
It's more than that. It also ruins the experience of the dungeon as it makes it just drag on.
If you single pull you deserve to be kicked. Literally 0 excuses.
This is why i moved to JP servers... People are generally competent and toxicity is far less prevalent (if any at all.. jp parties generally just vote abandon and say "thank for party" or nothing at all)
They have their own brand of toxic there, copious amounts of passive aggressiveness that puts the regular brand of toxic on other regions to shame. Also god help you if they find out you aren't from JP.
Love your work Pathra but you should probably clean your room lmao
don't think it's on you to dictate what she should do my guy
"should probably" implies a suggestion, my guy
Oh it's my suitcase, clothes and shoes on the floor cause I'm flying very soon.
I always thought, WoW had a problem with toxicity... now this SCH and half the comments prove otherwise... A sad day -.-
FFXIV community was never 'not toxic'. In its early days, well before the WoW exodus, players had the 'toxic tryhard' mindset. Nowadays, the community overcorrected way too hard into toxic positivity where even asking normal effort from others is labeled 'toxic' and you're expecting to put up with people literally trolling with YPYT shenanigans, queueing without jobstones, healers refusing to do damage, or dps not even using half of their skills, etc. because 'casual content' apparently means 'take a nap on your keyboard' now, I guess.
"If you want to tank, queue as tank :/".
A great, non-passive aggressive comment from the gunbreaker. Love how they showed their kindness through enabling the healer to die and wasting everyone's time because they want to take their time through a basic dungeon. Using sprint is for sweaty hardcore savage raiders.
It's too hard for most players when you pull more than one mob. Most people completely forget how to play the game the first time they do a new dungeon. At higher levels it's especially bad because they have sooo many skills to relearn. Only those toxic hardcore savage raiders have the ability to remember things and press buttons.
The saddest thing is I can't even tell if you're joking because I've seen people talk like that unironically.
Emi explained that this wasn’t the case in the comments
Xenos is kind of a d-bag too imo so I'm not that surprised he sided with the healer.
I'm gonna come out and say Xenos was wrong out right.
Yea alot of people known you can pull all dungeons wall to wall. But anyone who actively mentors will tell you, you pull at rate the tank is comfy with first and the healer second.
If your tank can't maintain their cds properly its better to play slower else you risk repeated party wipes to over extending. If you healer can't maintain their heals in a way to keep everyone alive during higher damage it's better to try and slow down damage intake then it is to add more mobs. I've even been in parties where dps where under geared so we had to under pull cause otherwise we would die to a lack of resources due to low damage.
Trying to force a faster pull more often leads to more fights, wipes, and overall more frustration. Even in expert.
If you can't deal with variable pulls then que with friends or don't que into roulette if you can't stand randoms. Your shitty behavior and impatience is not everyone else's problem.
It's two packs. How are you at level 90 and unable to pull more than one pack? All of the dungeons are two packs. Are you telling me it's reasonable to expect that someone only one pulled all the way to level 90? If you're still that bad, there's actually no point to playing tank as any healer and dps can do a single pull. You'd be better off playing an additional dps and having the healer tank.
@@24hr-Gaming sad to say I've seen in duties more then once. People story skip classes alot and just don't learn how to play them. There are plenty of stories of people who play FF for everything that isn't the actual gameplay and those who are really bad at it. Hell I think Patra even has a video about a guy whose friend they had to remove from their static cause he was horrible at the game despite trying.
Again your gonna que into randoms in this game and if your not the one holding aggro it's better to just play at the tanks pace and maybe give advice if your capable of providing if they are struggling.
After dealing with the hordes of new players near the end of Shb that made playing the alliance raids difficult enough that I had to actually take to using alliance chat to shout call mechs, I'm under no belief that all players are efficiently good enough at the game to do what decent players think are common practice for roulettes.
It's only elitism to assume all players play at the same baseline understanding of the game even at 90. (Besides that story skips existing to level any class to 80 makes getting any tank or healer to 90 really easy without having to play the class more then 2 duties a day for 5 days.)
@@24hr-Gaming These level 90 dungeons do so little damage anyway, idk how its that hard to figure out. I've gotten to the first boss in Lunar Subterrane as sage just using Kardia and Soteria to heal, and every tank but DRK doesn't even need anything more.
@@24hr-Gaming You'd be surprised. Once, I got stuck with a healer who was given a level skip because their partner didn't want them to experience the game at the pace they should've been.
@@bananagher7555 they are but the difficulty of the dungeon means nothing compared to the low skill of a player.
Sometimes it's best to just adjust to slowler pulls or to dip out if it's to slow for you. Not everyone can full pull and the expectation in this game that everyone even knows what they are doing at 90s isn't there
I dont like his take on this, I think he's 100% in the wrong. There are new players, new to tanking players, etc. Happening all the time. And to shit on them like that is toxic AF. If you're looking to speed run dungeons, then YOU get a group of friends, and speed run it. It's this kind of warcraft toxicity that I wished would just stay in warcraft. The tank was doing nothing wrong, said nothing wrong. And the healer was just being a fucking piss ant for no reason. And I've seen this SAME HEALER pop up in multiple videos where he's causing grief like this. He's toxic. And Xenos take on this isnt the right one, sorry not sorry.
The tank was in the wrong as well.
@lauradrew1260 how? He's not wrong in his comment. If the healer wants to run around tanking. Then tank? You're seeing this tank out of context. For all you know, he's new to tanking. Could have said at the start he's new to tanking. And the healer was being an ass for no reason. In no situation is this healer in the right. And to think so, is ignorant.
i’d say SCH was in the wrong for being extremely inflammatory to rile people up, but them standing there not doing anything is also on them
@chewedw1re not really. Why should he cater to the toxic troll? Make it make sense. If the sch wanted a speedrun. Either he could of have left, or go with his own friends. That tank didn't owe that sch shit.
This was an everyone is in the wrong scenario.
Healer is a bit aggressive and took it too far, but the others are NOT innocent.
Tank doesn't set the pace of the party. And if they're still learning to tank, then DONT JOIN AN EXPERT ROULETTE. LMAO
How hard is it for tanks to press one button to take all aggro? Like seriously. Who fucking cares who pulls first. Also, w2w is STANDARD in expert, you don't have to like this but it's the truth.
I'm not siding with this healer. He's an asshole, possibly sexist and obnoxious and deserves to be mass blocked, but he was in the most right in this scenario.
Oh, and before you say it...I always que expert as GNB. I know what I'm talking about. People pull ahead sometimes, and guess what? I press one button and get all aggro back instantly. Get over yourself with this "hE might Be nEw."
I mean if I'm healing and the tank is going slow, i just rescue them. Ive never had anyone get upset. If they say they wanna go slow then sure
In my opinion, everyone should tank how they want to. If you want it to be fast, play tank. If you're too scared to play tank, then... idk... shut up and stop complaining?! XD
This whole situation with the healer is one of the reasons why I'm playing mainly solo. No drama and the reactions of the NPCs are hilarious sometimes.
If you wanna play tank like a worthless piece of trash, how about you just go with trusts? No need to don't grief other people.
Now how would you feel if your healer refused to heal using anything other than cure 1 because they're healing how they want to? What if the Dps decide to only press one button over and over instead of using combos or abilities because they're playing how they want to?
Doesn't work anymore, does it? It's a team game, you have to be trying to do what's beneficial for the team to succeed, and the team generally doesn't like being dragged down and forced to carry someone willfully underperforming.
As a main healer I go with the flow of the tanks, if they wanna pull small sure go ahead, if they wall pull big, aight it's time to hit sprint and get the heals going. When I started tanking for end game dungeons and its the dps that pulls ahead of me, I let them die and rush in to take the agro. Like literally this is one of the reasons why I stop queuing so much as a tank and mostly healer, cause then I can just say to any dps that pulls ahead of the tank, "your life is in my hands....but my savior is the tank...."
Please don't adopt the "you pull you tank (YPYT)" mentality. It's a form of griefing as you're refusing to perform your role in a dungeon.
@@chriss6855 It also just makes everything take longer for no reason other than being petty. You need to wait for the dps to die before taking aggro, which your healer might take more time trying to keep them alive, and then the dps in question has a damage down, making everything take longer to kill. I tank wall to wall, if a dps like a dnc or something en avantes ahead and grabs something I just...pick it up.
@chriss6855 how can someone perform their role as a tank to pull wall to wall when someoneelse are ready to gun ahead of them and just take everything? The healer having to use their ogd heals? Some mobs in some dungeons still hit pretty hard sometimes. I just see no rush or hurry on a casual dungeon, but yes I rather grief or leave than having someone to take the tanking role cause at the point the person that que in as a tank time is wasted just hitting that que button. If they can take on the dungeon without a tank, they can find a healer friend and go in as a duo than going to duty roulette with random, they'll just give some tanks feeling conflicted. 🤔
@@NiskkaKainson Their role is to tank, not pull. It just happens that tanks are primarily the pullers. If the tank is actually pulling wall to wall then whoever else that got aggro brings the mobs to the tank at the end of the pull.
If you grief by not tanking, you will be reported. Just keep that in mind. If the tank wants to pull slow, the NPCs are an option.
@chriss6855 but tanks have to pull in order to tank? I understand tanks gotta tank but when the tank knows the dungeon and can comfortably tank all the mobs,they don't need someone gunning ahead of them and start pulling the beginning pack of mobs to the last pack and just take all those hit having the healer going "wtf" and healing them up keeping them alive. What I mean by "pulling a head" is when they start to pull from start to end the wall pulling to the end before the tank can even dash and land an aoe. Yes if they want to take slow, sure go for the npc route, take in all the sceneries and enjoy the time but if someone that already have tanked that specific 90 dungeon to the point that they can eat a sandwich while pulling wall to wall and tank, I don't think they'll need the extra back up or in the mood for chaos. They will pull wall to wall, get the dungeon done fast and smooth, then reap the extra rewards from the duty finder. As a healer the only thing I need to heal the dps from is from the boss fights and if they let the tank, tank maybe even from some Oopsy tunnel visioning on mobs pack, but if they want to report cause I can't play my role and doing no verbal harassment, go for it.
Team SCH \o/
I only care about people being annoying in dungeons, anything further, doesn't pertain to my interests. It just sucks being grief'd in dungeons because people think they can police others. Just invite a friend or npcs if you can't wall2wall.
If the Scholar wanted just run the entire dungeon faster, they should just queued up by themselves.
Yeah, sure they wouldn't earn anything out of it really, but at least they won't have to literally be an arse to the three random people they end up queuing with.
Hell, there was no communication on the Scholar's end either, saying or even asking if they could do the pulls.
Xenos seems too zero'd in on the smallest problem rather than the whole issue.
It's why I find watching any of his content rather mentally exhausting, definitely not my kind of content.