The Hawaii Conspiracy
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- On first glance, the fact that Hawaii should be part of the US makes little sense, but strong economic and military interests in the US, and a group of US-descended conspirators in Hawaii still made it happen.
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If you think 61 years to statehood is bad, Guam entered the US at about the same time, was run like a naval base until the Japanese occupation, and still isn't a state.
Try 125 and counting --Puerto Rico was also annexed in 1898 and is still nowhere close to becoming a state despite having a GDP greater than 11 states and a population greater than 20 (which, by the way, is 98.9% "Hispanic or Latino").
@@fluffly3606 didnt they vote on it and was split down the middle?
@@coryandrum nonbinding vote. 54% voted to become a US state. 55% turnout. There have been 3 referendums in the last 12 years. Congress needs to allow a binding referendum for once. Then, only then, a lot more people will show up at the polls.
They should be their own sovereign state
@@NickyG_vz If that's what they want.
FINALLY somebody who remembers the okina in Hawai’i!
Our Hawaiian history and annexation gets swept under the rug by America and I’m glad you made a actual factual video about it!
Pedantic point but there is also a ʻokina in ʻokina.
technically the apostrophe in Hawaiian is a glottal stop but in general yeah it is just a pause
And it's not an apostrophe, it's an ʻOkina
@@Donut-Eater The ʻokina (Hawaiian pronunciation: [ʔoˈkinɐ]), also called by several other names, is a unicameral consonant letter **used within the Latin script to mark the phonemic glottal stop, in many Polynesian languages.**
-Wikipedia
The 'Okina is the symbol, the glottal stop is the kind of sound it makes
@@nichl474 read my comment again. Where did I claim the sound wasn't called the glottal stop?
@@Donut-Eater you're right, I misread
I’m so glad that TH-camrs are just now posting about topic that I’m doing as projects in college. It’s a great source of great sources
Careful not to copy too much and get caught for plagiarism. Make sure to be honest and cite your sources :)
Cool
You neglected to mention that the President of Hawaii, Sanford B. Dole and his party were explicitly petitioning to be annexed by the US since they took over. The cause for annexation you mention was just the US taking its time to sign off on it.
Sanford B. Dole’s cousin was James Drummond Dole who later would go on to found the Hawaiian Pineapple Company which would later merge with Castle & Cooke, Inc. which was one of the major sugar businesses that emerged after the overthrow of the monarchy and had previously acquired Standard Fruit & Steamship Company which was known for meddling in the government of Honduras. This merger created the modern Dole company of today.
Might want to mention who put Dole in power, too ...
@@Tapakapa I didn’t mean to imply the only reason his government existed at all wasn’t American meddling if that’s what you’re getting at.
Just to say that the new government was never run in good faith and was only intended to dissolve the country from the start.
@@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes You were implying that though by bringing it up in the first place, as if it's more nuanced, yet the context you added doesn't change the fact of US colonization of Hawaii
@@JeffreyBenzodiazepines Dole overthrew the government on his own. The US did help him, however. So there's nothing wrong with that implication.
Dole? Oh, like the fruit company. Hey, wouldn't it be hilarious if the US government annexed a sovereign nation against the will of its inhabitants, just so a pineapplemonger could get even more money? Fortunately, nobody would be that cartoonishly avaricious.
I love how your thumbnail already answers the question posed in the title. It's rare that title questions get answered in a satisfying way, but you delivered twice.
No clickbait here!
did they change it?
@@andalilbitqueer yes they did, but not by a huge amount
Noooooo he changed it. Come on don’t bow down to the pressure of the far-right
@@andalilbitqueer the current thumbnail is an American with guns, which seems pretty accurate to me
4:58 So for those who don't know, the French guy's demands are in reference to the French invasion of Honolulu of 1849 aka the Tromelin Affair. In the Treaty of 1843 with Hawaii, France had agreed never on any pretense to take possession of any portion of the Hawaiian domain. The French government told their new Honolulu consul in 1848 to be on their best behavior, but Guillaume Patrice Dillon who led the consul was like "Hehe NO". So on August 12, admiral Tromelin arrived and found out about tariffs and Catholic persecution. Angered by American protestant missionaries, he worked with Dillon to make a list of ten demands for King Kamehameha III on August 22.
Butttt the demands were not met by the 25th, so 140 French marines landed and sacked government buildings and general property in the city, causing 100K USD in damages (nearly four million in today's money). They also took the king's yacht, said "THANKS FOR THE FREE PARTY BOAT!" and sailed it to Tahiti. At first, the French government condemned what happened, but reconsidered it as more justified and did not make any reparations.
Discrimination
"Hawaii is the biggest island in Hawaii" is reminiscent of the equally-confusing fact that in my home of Canada, Québec is the capital of Québec. In common speech, Québec City (or Ville de Québec in French) is the name, but legally it is just Québec. The same is true of New York, New York but that's decently well-known (and NYC is not the capital city of the State of New York).
The best case of this is San Marino. It's a microstate completely inside Italy, but still independent. Like other microstates, its capital city has the same name as the country. Despite its size, it has several municipalities. If you're in the City of San Marino, you're also in the municipality of San Marino, in the country of San Marino.
If you’re curious as to the actual reason why the entire country took the name, it was because the king who would eventually unite the whole island chain (Kamehameha) was from the island of Hawaiʻi, and simply brought the other islands under his already established rule. Had the ruler who united Hawaiʻi been from one of the other islands, the country and island chain could very easily have been called Maui or Oʻahu.
Isn't that the case with Aotearoa as well
We got several of those in Argentina. Córdoba (city) is the capital of Córdoba (province), and the same goes for Mendoza, Formosa, Santa Fe, San Luis, Corrientes, Tucumán, Neuquén... I'd say roughly half of our provinces.
This actually makes sense. What doesn't is the USA capital, the city of Washington, which is nowhere close to the Washington state. And which also officially isn't in any state and isn't a state itself, and it actually has a different name, District of Columbia, to show that it's a federal district and not actually a state. It's really confusing because there's also a country names Colombia but they're not directly linked. So the city is abbreviated as Washington DC.
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Man, it’s almost forcing me to pay, and I wish I could. 😢
There's a little more to the Hawaiian flag story than that: A Red Ensign with the Union Jack was given to Kamehameha I by Captain George Vancouver in 1793, who previously visited with Captain Cook in 1778-1779. However, Ireland wasn't part of the UK until 1801, so this specific ensign didn't become the current Hawaiian flag. So what did? Well, Scottish captain Alexander Adams of the British East India Company! The current flag was created by him as part of a China trip in 1817. At this time, he was part of Hawaiian Kingdom Navy. On his way to China, while stopping on Kaua'i for supplies, he gave Kaumualiʻi (last supreme ruler of Kaua'i and Ni'ihau) an ensign to raise at the port, as Kaumuali'i only had the Russian flag left behind from a failed Russian colony.
Yeah, there was a Russian colony attempt. Basically, a German physician approached Kamehameha I to help fight the rebellious Kamuali'i, Kamehameha said no, they sailed to Kaua'i, Kaumuali'i was more than willing to become a Russian protectorate, the German promised him that Tsar Alexander would liberate Kaua'i and conquer the Hawaiian archipelago from Kamehameha, they built three forts, but turns out the Tsar never backed this German...so he was forced to leave in fall 1817.
wait this dude was called kamehameha
heh
Fort Ross in California, meanwhile, remained part of the domain of Russian America for 40 years.
@@bob2000ful Mo'i kamehameha. it is a hawaiian word, and the writer for that japanese series wife liked the name, so he used it (as far as I know). given the name meaning (the lonely one). our king is older and better then anime goku kamehameha cause they are a literal historical figure. alright, history lesson over
While a glottal stop is a stop it’s not really “nothing” either. Like “uh-oh” is different than if you said “uhoh”. It is a consonant in its own right.
1:29 as a linguistics nerd I have to correct you on this one thing,
bo'ttle o'f wa'ter
British people often use it when they say butter or bottle if I'm not mistaken
@@cerjmedia Or Bri’ish
@@cerjmedia Also shows up in the phrase uh-oh between the two parts, so you already have been using it without knowing
You still mispronounced the Hawaiian version of Hawai'i. Its pronounced Havai'i The W in Hawaiian is a V sound
It’s wrong but at the same time not wrong per se. In Hawaiian there is said to be free variation between |w| and |v| with something in between which sometimes they represent in terms of phonology with
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_labiodental_approximant
@@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes IPA, I am happy
Depends on who you talk to. If they're speaking in Pidgin then you'll here the V. But generally I've heard most Hawaiians pronounce the W.
In his Austro-Bavarian video he pronounced it with a V-sound
@@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes I live and speak Hawaiian, i think i would know when its a V and when its a W
Two quick notes:
1. "Hawaiian" refers only to ethnic Hawaiians. A citizen of Hawaii irrespective of ancestry is simply called an "Islander."
2. Despite the annexation, Hawaii still feels admirably distinct from the rest of the US, moreso even than other "foreign-ish" states like CA, TX, NM, or LA. To this day politicians take their official photos wearing leis, and it's expected to know _at least_ some Hawaiian words and phrases.
For the benefit of international viewers (like me) please spell out the names of the US states mentioned in your comment.
California, Texas, New Mexico, Los Angeles.
Btw I'm not American this should be common knowledge.
@@turun_ambartanen what a disgrace
@@incrediblyintelligentman2895 LA is Louisiana, not Los Angeles. What a disgrace indeed...
I think another point worth mentioning is that Hawaii is the only US state where “white” is not the plurality ethnicity. Asian/Pacific Islander is the largest ethnic group, and they were the state to elect the first Asian Senator
Nice video! Note about naming, in modern ʻŌlelo Hawaiʻi (Hawaiian language) the name Hawaiʻi is usually pronounced more like Havaiʻi - the w makes a v sound. So if you want to pronounce it more like the indigenous name, it's a v not a w sound.
From what I understand W's are V's except at the beginning of a word
Huh... I've seen a video (the channel was NativLang I think) saying /v/ and /w/ are in free variation, with it also having to do with social position...
Jimmy Cook NOT a real cook? Outrageous!
Already wrote to my local representative about it. Absolutely fuming right now.
Disgraceful! These men masquerading as things they aren’t, in some sick charade! Next, we’ll find out this “Tap a Kapa” character doesn’t even poke Hawai’ian fabrics!
The Bri'ish should have called it Hawaiti.
Hawaiʻi × Haiti, I guess?
At least from what I’ve learned, the Hawaiians were seen as much more civilized to the American government and public precisely because they rolled over to influence, and the reason Americans decided to annex was an inherent distrust of the queen believing she would push for less American influence on the islands, something that would be devastating to sugar farmers and military advances. TL;DR, it wasn’t all race, America was only explicitly motivated by race everywhere else (except maybe Alaska but even there the Inuit could be argued)
I'm surprised he went for the racism angle with no mention of the Dole family that still run the plantations to this day.
They should not do that just for certain industries. Its like if a parent looted a bank for his or her daughter.
“queen back on the throne, asap”
“no”
_takes it personally_
“ok”
The glottal stop isn't just a pause button. It is a specific consonant sound, and the symbol for it is a letter in Hawaiian.
The pause button is already the anglicized version of the word. I've never in my life heard someone say "Huh-why." The final i still makes a sound in English.
Most Americans say /həˈwaɪi/ and most Hawaiians say /həˈvɐjʔi/. There is no /həˈwaɪ/
Congrats on the 200k 🎉
Thanks, mate! ^_^
"Hawai[ʻ]ian has only 12 letters, but one extra symbol for saying nothing."
not true, the symbol, called the ʻokina, makes a glottal stop sound /ʔ/
I think he explained it okay enough. most viewers of this channel aren't here for a linguistics lesson, and tapakapa is not a linguist. as long as viewers can successfully pronounce a glottal stop afterwards, I call that a win
(speaking as someone who likes linguistics a lot)
@@powerLien i guess
The history of how Hawaii and Texas became infiltrated by annexationists is somewhat similar to how Acre became Brazilian or how Hatay became Turkish. Very sneeky indeed.
Nowadays, the international community would not recognize such sneeky attempts at landgrabbing. Which is why expansionist countries such as Russia have not actually grown in size under international law, despite having formally declared foreign lands to be annexed.
I mean... that is AN explanation of the glottal stop...
Brilliantly entertaining and informative, as always, thank you for this succinct breakdown, I feel educated.
At 3:32 when you said “one conspiracy coming right up”, an ad immediately played on the video
6:53 I think part of the reason that President Cleveland didn’t do anything either was that his term was coming to an end. President McKinley who was the successor was a lot more imperialist and didn’t care that Hawai’i was unethically (and illegally) overthrown
Unrelated but Tapakapa, what happened to your discord? I swear I was in it but now I’m looking for it with it all gone, I thought “maybe I never joined it” and tried looking for an invite somewhere, videos, subreddit posts, etc. but alas, all the invites were invalid, was the server deleted?
Hey, Tapakapa.
I really do not want to worry you, however, I have noticed someone on TH-cam seems to "borrow" some elements of your channel.
In fact, not only is his art styling very similar to yours, he also seems to be discussing almost the same topics you do.
To add insult to injury, the channels narator has a voice with a tembre very similar to your own.
It might also be nothing to worry about, since the narrator speaks exploding tree German and thus likely does not know English. Just thought I’d tell you anyway.
is this sarcasm?
@@empty2757 He's talking about his german channel
Dear Tapakapatata, how about a follow up video: How Hawaii Toast became German 🍍
I lived in Hawaii for about a year. 90% of native Islanders were the nicest people I've ever met.
The rest would try to fight me for just being white.
Yeah I got told to go back home like I was a foreigner during my time stationed out there. I can’t blame them some want out of the US due to its history but it’s a beautiful place
@@RoCK3rAD ever been to Kauai? Can't walk 10 feet without tripping over a chicken.
I think the conspiratorial angle was interesting to learn.
That time in history when a Cook was 'made' by a Sandwich 🤔
Another great video! Hawaiʻi is a really interesting place.
I was excited for a cgp gret video and then I got this guy instead❤🎉
Every year the stuff you already knew gets more egregious and disturbing as the global understanding of human rights advances
Really excellent video as always. Concise and well-researched
3:00 The land reform was intended by Kamehameha III to benefit the sovereignty of the people. Following the Paulet Affair in which the British occupied Hawai’i for 5 months before reinstating Hawaiian sovereignty, Kamehameha III privatized the land so that if another foreign power was to take over the nation, the land would be privately owned under the assumption that the foreign power would respect private land ownership titles. In reality, the aboriginal native Hawaiians did not fully understand the concept of land ownership (because they instead viewed land as something that could be owned and instead as something that must be cared for) and they ended up selling their land for well below value to foreigners who took advantage of the Native Hawaiians
Would like to note, the W in Hawai’ian is pronounced like a V
It’s kind of interchangeable though with the w
The most important question is - how the Johnson Atoll became a part of the US?
The 'okina isn't a stop sign. It's a consonant. It represents the glottal stop.
the glottal what?
@@aiaioioi The glottal stop. It's the sound you make by constricting you throat right at the glottis, obstructing airflow, then releasing it. It's the sound in "uh-oh" you make at the "-" part of it.
@@deathpigeon2 "it isn't a stop, it's a stop"
@@aiaioioi Would you call 't' a stop sign?
1:00 Is that where the South Sandwich Islands comes from.
I just learned the true story of Hawai'i and how dark of a chapter it is in he history of the United States when I visited the Islands personally.
I was kind of shocked. Should not have been though, after all, all was couped by the United States....
Question do you really think hawaii would be able to exist as a independent nation?
@davidcjohnston99 No. Natives are a minority today so the population would never support it. Sadly Hawaii will remain a state.
@@mybodyisamachinethat wasn’t the question was without the us could it be stable nation
Great video, thanks for sharing the history of Hawaii with us!
What were the real options for an isolated country with no military? Remain independent?
Does ANYONE think that was a pragmatic option?
The US annexation of Hawai`i was illegal. No argument. But in reality does anyone think the alternatives were going to be better?
What if Imperial Japan annexed the unprotected islands? Does anyone think they would have treated the native occupants fairly and with respect?
How about Imperial Russia or the USSR after their revolution? How would that have gone?
China didn't have a significant foreign policy until after the 1940s so they weren't an option.
While the annexation was BS, the long-term outcome probably preserved more of original culture than any other colonial invader.
Not necessarily, though the US coup & annexation is certainly not the worst case scenario.
Japan almost certainly would have invaded, but then they'd be freed after WW2 like most of their other island holdings.
Russia couldn't have done anything, they're the first world power to be defeated by a non-european country (Japan).
The USSR might have tried interfering, but NATO would have interfered too and so it'd be similar to any other communism vs capitalism battleground. Probably ending up western aligned but independent after the USSR collapsed.
China is certainly an option now, but they've only really been a threat for the last 20 years or so. That's an extra 100-150 years where Hawaii could have aligned themselves with the west, just like all the other small pacific islands.
If france/UK hadn't done anything by the time the US interfered, they would never have.
Other pacific island countries have remained independent. If the US hadn't staged a coup and annexed it, it's likely it would have remained independent - barring any temporary WW2 occupation.
Hawaii seems to have about as much culture as the natives in NZ. Which is to say, a reasonable amount considering being conquered, certainly better than Australia/Canada/mainland US, but still a far cry off what they used to have.
@@Programmdude Other pacific islands are still independent becasue they're not that strategic -- either resources or location or there's US presence close by.
Hawaii is out in the middle of the Pacific and in the days before international air travel, is the size and location for a large military presence.
Monday morning quarterbacking is always easier but considering the era, taking possession -- legally or not -- was still the basic method of international foreign policy.
Given the attempt to systematically eradicate the Hawaiian language and culture and institute a racial hierarchy immediately following the US occupation, the country’s transformation into a plantation economy (which has served no purpose other than to enrich the descendants of missionaries and destroy the natural environment beyond repair), and the military presence which has likewise polluted the environment and dragged Hawaiʻi kicking and screaming into every imperialist spat the United States starts, there is absolutely nothing “pragmatic” about tolerating colonial rule in any form. Would Imperial Japanese occupation have been worse? Possibly, but this is not an excuse for apologia for the current state of affairs. If British, Russian, or whatever other colonial occupation was hypothetically even worse than Imperial Japan, would that then justify its rule? Absolutely not, all imperialism and colonialism is to be opposed, and to hypothesize about which hypothetical power is worse serves no other purpose than to run interference for the one currently occupying the country.
I've been a subscriber with the bell active since ... years?
This video wasn't in my subscription box and it wasn't recommended to me.
Is TH-cam censoring your video? Maybe because of the title word "Conspiracy" ? ... Weird....
Why is Greenland part of Denmark?
This makes me sad .. ☹️
Me and everybody I know in America call it "Hawai (stop) i" so when you say all English people say that I think you're wrong
Wish for videos about the Global War on Terror (GWOT) in the future please 🥺
As a former Hoosier Hawaiian, I never tire of these tails.
Q: So how did Hawaii even come to be?
A: Kamehameha I invaded his neighbors and subjugated them.
Congrats! You've unlocked the cycle of civilization. Small fish gets eaten by a bigger fish.
The cycle of conquest outside of European colonisation is fairly different though, in that most conquers annex land to actually incorporate it and its people as a part of their civilisation. Colonialism specifically made conquered people a resource to exploit, as was their land, which leads to a very different dynamic. If civilisations are wolf packs in normal cases the losing wolves will be incorporated into the new pack or chased off, but under colonialism they're kept as spare meat and breeding stock.
@@user-xsn5ozskwg >The cycle of conquest outside of European colonisation is fairly different though
Just that one is ok because it isnt Europeans, and due to [intersectionality and other woke word salad stuff here], you have no issue with it.
It isnt deep, dude. That is why the British Empire is "evil", while the Mongol Empire is "cool". French Empire "bad", while the Japanese empire is part of Otaku culture in the west and is shrugged at.
@@xandercruz900 I have no idea what company you keep that thinks one empire is better than another, especially when talking about contemporary ones.
Moreover, nowhere did I say I have no issue with it or that these empires did nothing wrong, just that you can't be so dense to pretend that every act of conquest was done with the same goals or had the same result.
@@user-xsn5ozskwg Some is pretending empires do not exist.
Someone is trying to justify imperial exploitation with a whataboutism
The ' doesn't say nothing, its the glottal stop. Its the same story over and over again, people ignore and forget it. I could talk about it again but itll take to long...
8:20 they didnt get a real vote on statehood. they got "statehood or territory". no independence option.
1:00 “…calls it the Sandwich Islands, after his aristocratic supporter, not the portable tasty food item.” The said portable tasty food item is named after the said aristocratic supporter, John Montagu, 4th Earl of Sandwich.
1:11
Hey Malta, Take notes
no commentary on dole’s involvement? disappointing
Is the recent news part 2
On the “bright” side the monarchy was only about 100 years old when it fell. Not like 2000 or something for the UK
I'm pretty sure they could have "won" the same way Afghanistan did.
Would it have been worth it, probably not.
Let us not forget the complicity of the Kamehameha clan who facilitated the insatiable lust for land for some cheap booze and Jebus.
this statement is VERY far from the truth 😂
Necessary acquisition for the American empire. (Not a republic since 1860)
1:46 English or American? I call it Hawai’i and have for at least half my life
I swear at one point the text on the thumbnail said "White guys took it" rather than "They just took it".
Not wrong
Wait now it says nothing.
that awkward moment when a German Austrian doesn't use a guttural stop.
What is a German Austrian?
Guttural stops aren't used as much in Austro-Bavarian as they are in German. In Bavarian they are used in a similar fashion to how they are used in English, i.e. not between every word.
The whole "colonialism bad" perspective of Hawaiian history is a half truth.
Most people are satisfied with this perspective however, and everyone tends is gloss over the "monarchies also bad" perspective.
Another major factor in the Hawaiian kingdom's downfall is the Hawaiian class system. The Ali'i view their people as property that they had rights to and, as a result, sold the Hawaiian people out to the foreigners for their own benefit.
alaska next?
I do wonder if Hawaii was under the Japanese. Would they still be called Hawaii? (RA3)
When the Japanese conquered us from the Americans they still continued to call us the Philippines despite being a colonial name.
So I can see them continue to use the name Hawaii
I actually thought the hawaian flag was just britain/russia/Amrica/netherlands combined
no... far from it.
so hawaii is the Ukraine of the USA
That'd be Mexican Texas, but really, USA's invasive terrorist threat spreads to all nations.
After the mysterious wildfire that engulfed Hawaii, real estate agents are asking the landowners if they want to sell their lands. Weird huh?
Another not so fun fact... A lot of "traditional" Hawaiian cultural practices and such were 'revived' in the 1970s. Yeah, some are actually old, but most is based on vague recollections and some is just made up.
i'm not english speaking born and i have allways in both my birth toung as well in english called it Hawai'i
1:23
' is glottal stop in Hawaiian /ʔ/ and w is pronounced as /v/ in Hawaiian
yes
"...a surprisingly un-terrible Michael Bay film"
I guess maybe compared to other Michael Bay films? Def not on its own merits though...
8:25 this is the video...
Who else was here when the original titles and thumbnails were along the lines of “How did Hawaii become a state: Some White Guys stole it.” 💀
Pretty accurate still tho
March 30, 1867, you’re a native Inuit living your life in your own country. It has a name and your people have lived there for thousands of years and on March 30, 1867 one white guy from across the sea decides to sell you, your country and everything in it to another white guy for $7.2 million dollars. Today we call it Alaska.
considuring With how much money, infrustructure build, and subsedize by the Alaska government, they got a pretty good deal.
@@AL-lh2ht, when an incoherent sentence gets four likes, it’s time to exit the conversation.
4:31
"But why is the rum gone?"
The ' in Hawai'i isn't a "nothing". It's called a glottal stop, and it's its own consonant. If you want an example in english: say "uh-oh" and really think about it.
New profile pictur3?
Indeed. Felt cute. Might delete later. ^_^
@@Tapakapa don't delete it!
@@Tapakapa do delete it!
@@Tapakapa don't delete it!
Föhn... nvm I stop. No jokes.
8:05 the new lands resolution can’t even legally incorporate Hawai’i into the US. It was a joint resolution by congress. There was no treaty of annexation to give the grounds for Hawai’i being incorporated into the USA. The Hawaiian Kingdom is legally and de jure an occupied state by the USA similarly to how Kuwait was an occupied state by Iraq in 1990. The only difference is that Kuwait got its sovereignty back from Iraq through foreign intervention (with the USA’s help, but the USA won’t
deoccupy Hawai’i)
Russia illegally occupied Kaliningrad 80 years ago. They should give it back to Germany without even asking the majority Russians what they would think about it.
@@mybodyisamachine they should ask all of those in Hawaii who are descendants of Kingdom of Hawai’i citizens
A fire solves the problem.
That thumbnail can basically apply to almost all topics.
Multipurpose thumbnail, nice! Gonna use it for all my videos from now on.
Is it ok to be white?
TIL: No other race of people does this....Or at least no one wants to bash them for doing it.
@@xandercruz900 do you dislike white people and do you think they are a danger to others?
@@xandercruz900 Begging you guys to actually look at history and how 17th century colonialism is different from almost every other form of conquest.
Algorithm
Aloha 🌺
More like Havwai'i...or Hawvaw ee
TLDR: They stole it
It's literally in the thumbnail, Julián.
I hope Hawaii can become a sovereign state again at some point. They didn't want to be American bc they aren't
Sadly that will never happen, modern Hawaii just can't realistically survive without a connection to a mainland.
@@brandonf1260
How?
@@ligondesenuts769 the amount of aid given to Hawaii every year is massive. Also the majority of the Hawaii economy is entirely built around the US.
@@brandonf1260
Hawaii was pretty self reliant pre-annexation. Dunno what youre talking about
@@ligondesenuts769 depends on what you mean by self reliant? It would easily turn into a third world country if it left the US. Even if it is feasible doesn't mean it is a good thing.
Yay, democracy
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Dear Tapakapa,
yes, I am just as offended by that fact. But shouldn't that logic also work in reverse? If you are offended that the Hawaiian government was overthrown in such a way, should you not also be offended by a thumbnail that, in a political climate characterised by so much racial tension, will clearly come off as race-baiting to many people? Judging by your doubling-down on it in this comment, I can only conclude that your choice of thumbnail was very conscious and intentional.
If you want to acknowledge the fact that yes, the annexation of Hawaii was in part justified with racist rhetoric, couldn't you just mention that in your video and maybe give an example? By doing so, you could show in what way this historical event is relevant to current politics. Your thumbnail, instead, succeeds in three things: pander to leftists, provoke racists, and deeply disappoint people who, after reading what your thumbnail says, might have expected and been interested in a video actually explaining the racial angle behind the annexation of Hawaii, supplying it with context, and pointing out how it might be politically relevant today. What could have been "good clickbait" is reduced to a snide remark about race; not only bad clickbait, but bad in a needlessly inflammatory way.
It also puzzles me that your Austrian version of this video has "Amis" instead of "white guys". You must know that the two don't quite translate to each other. Did you aim for your German-speaking audience to take this video in a completely different way?
I have always really liked your content, so I am very sad that in the future I might not anymore, if you are willing to use such unconstructive methods to push politics. With this comment, I don't want to challenge you to do anything in particular, just point out that there are valid reasons to be very upset with this thumbnail.
From a fan and subscriber
Conquered* actually.
No way he uploaded 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱🤩😱😱😱😱😱
Ah yes, when other countries annex nations its wrong, but when the USA does it its ancient history.
Except most of the populaton was American.
@@AL-lh2ht and most of Hong Kong was Chinese, doesn't stop people talking about a hostile take over
@@windwaker0rules The difference is that Hong Kong was actively protesting Chinese takeover because their laws were vastly different and mainland laws would criminalize many HK citizens. That's not even mentioning the treaty China broke to retake HK. Two entirely different things, young one.
@@The_Captainn not at all, the only reason Hawaii couldn't protest is because if they did they would be invaded by an imposing empire that in those days wouldn't think twice about gunning down some natives. Second your point about imposing different laws are you saying that the Hawaiian laws and the US laws are the same some some reason? You are also implying that the US take over didn't break treaty's.
@@windwaker0rules And Hawaii is free to protest now, unlike those under occupied Ukraine. They are free to start a movement to convince 37 of the 50 states to sign off on their independence, but any such movement in Russia’s territories will have one arrested.
gotta love colonialism
skill issue, Should've invented guns sooner L.
white man-1 / indigenous peoples-0
Technically Chinese invented guns first. Didn't helped them much during Opium Wars.
@@DarkDragonRus Imagine having a 300 year lead on guns and still losing
Europeans-1/ Asians-0
Hah- wah- e or hah vai e
I wonder how things would have turned out if they didn't come under our umbrella, wonder if they would have taken up communism like some other parts of southeast asia, or how ww2 would have gone.
I can't help feeling that hawaii was better off getting stolen by the US, as in I bet the people there wouldn't be in as good living conditions. Not that I think that negates the crime, but at least they're in a pretty good spot now overall, at least compared to other groups that got everything stolen (and worse) like the native americans.
The part of modern hawaii that's pushing for independence is so misguided imo. Seems like it'd be better to let the past go, life's hard enough without the chains of historic wrongs weighing you down, but I can't understand what it'd be like so idk.
Well,
The people who wish for independents wish for it for similar reasons as America did in the past.
They don't feel American and they don't want people from outside deciding things for them.
It isn't a surprise that some of them don't feel American, most of their shared history with America is being bullied by America, and they are far away from America, physically and culturally.
It is not about changing the past, it is about changing the present and future of Hawaii
@@E_D___ But just about everyone alive there today was born after it became a state, they have to look at the past to have the perspective you describe, except for the being far away part.
But even without considering that, I can't see a net gain from splitting. US citizenship is such a valuable thing for future prospects and travel, even without considering the other services the federal gov't provides. Yea they wouldn't have to deal with federal bs, but they'd still inevitably be influenced by america just b/c of their location.
The more I think about it, the more hawaii independence sounds like Brexit (which we still haven't seen the full negative repercussions of yet imo, and some were hidden by covid).
Beings basically guaranteed Japaan would have take it over. They had like twenty% was Japanese population and in addition japan went all in with imperalism. And japan death cult mentality of the time, Hawaii would have been much worse off.
@@prw56 This and the fact that the majority of the economy is basically given by the federal goverment. The economy would crash and never recover if they became indepenent, (and presumably killed everyone who was not happy about not being american)
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