I would never have associated my flag version with either crosswalks or prison bars. Quite a revelation. See, this is exactly why films have test screenings.
I see your point, but consider this: the current UN emblem looks friendlier than the 4 pillars thing because it's pleasant and round while the pillars are are very angular and almost intimidating looking. Also, the symbolism is way too obscure and abstract for the general population cuz like everyvone knows about the continents, but the 4 basic freedoms is straight up nerd shit lol
The symbolism being easily understood is the most important part. For the talk about the UN flag being unrecognisable at a distance, four pillars is unrecognisable whatsoever if you don't already know what it represents. But a flag with a world and a peace symbol? You don't even have to have heard what the UN even is, you'd still guess what it's about.
The redesigned flag kind of looks like prison bars to me. Probably not the ideal symbolism the UN is looking for. Now that said I am an American so of course it reminds me of prison bars.
I understand his point but in my opinion, I think the UN flag is one of the best especially for what UN wants to represent. And it's more universal than 4 pillars flag, Earth map and peace end.
@@weakspirit_ maybe it's because I'm from Europe but I would rather live somewhere with these 4 basic freedoms than somewhere where they are missing. And even in European countries sometimes these 4 freedoms are not held 100% which makes me sad..
I disagree completely, the UN flag is easily reconicable for anyone whom knows what it looks like from a distance. And pretty unique in color in addition. If anything, just remove the land from the globe and make it be a globe grid earth.
I disagree. Yes, the emblem is kind of difficult to deduce from a distance. But the stark contrast of the coloration (blue and white), which is only shared by one other nation, is more than enough to denote the flag of the United Nations. Also, you oversimplify the flag by removing the world map and replacing it with abstract bars. A flag is to be simple, yes, but it should also be meaningful and indicative of the entity it represents. A world map clearly identifies to anyone, regardless of language, that this flag represents a global organization. Four bars are much more abstract, and meaning is much harder to deduce. I insist that the simplicity of colors makes up for the complexity of the world map, rounding out into what is arguably one of the most easily identified flags in the entire world.
Like the United Kingdom flag, it represents England, Scotland and Northern Ireland combining their flags together but also to signify their unity as they share these isles together. Or the American Flag with the stars representing the 50-49 States. Simplicity doesn’t always mean good but it can be used if that simplicity represents something more complex.
I’d leave the circle with the meridians and parallels and just get rid of the the geographical shapes. It’s the same concept just without the geographical distortion.
I feel the issue with putting the color on the background rather than the pillars is that it creates this illusion of the 4 pillars of freedom being drained of color and then locked behind blue prison bars.
But then some countries would be on the other side. Edit: my comment makes no sense and I don't know how sleep deprived I was when I wrote it. So you can stop responding
@@bobpobcf9723 thats why I hate so called "vexilloigists" they care way too much about weird stuff like the aspect ratio than what it actually looks like
No, he's right that it's kind of indistinct and bland. The symbols are definitely too complex and obvious. "We're representing the world, so let's put a world map on our flag!" "That's a great idea! Say, Chile should do the same thing, but for its map!"
@@bobpobcf9723 simplification isn't always a bad thing some of the most iconic logos in history are extremely simply. captain america's logo is legitimately just a red white and blue circle with a star in the middle. spider-man's logo is so simple that white triangles over a red circle makes you think of the webslinger, despite it missing the more curved designs and black line patterns
I disagree with the olive branches being too detailed, they're super simple. I'd keep the flag as-is but change the map to a simple symbol representing the earth.
What about the astrological symbol for earth? It's a circle with a plus inside. (you'll be familiar with venus ♀and mars ♂symbols). Much preferable to the prison-bars design! 🤣
Gotta love the UN’s bright blue colors being used as a “shoot here” icon on peacekeepers’s helmets, completely negating camouflage and providing no protection for UN troops
@A Mothman with a phone the same way you’re not really supposed to shoot people normally, that doesn’t give the UN an excuse to give troops equipment with barely any protection that could and has gotten a lot of peacekeepers killed. The really should’ve just stuck with an armband
I mean, a good flag IS visible and distinguishable. It’s easy to find on a uniform so that you can easily see who that soldier serves. That’s the point. Civilians can easily find the UN troops, that’s a good thing. People fighting against UN troops likewise ought to know, they’re fighting against UN troops. If the enemy is close enough to use the icon as a crosshair, then they probably don’t even need said crosshair
@@omnominus my issue here is combat troops being thrust into battle with plastic all-blue bucket helmets (like the ones given to Irish soldiers in Jadotville, which I’m pretty sure they decided to not even bother wearing them). For identification, that’s simple solution, out of combat, you’ve got the bright blue arm bands, and in battle, an arm band is easy and not betraying camouflage nearly as much as 20% of the uniform being this useless bright blue piece of plastic easily giving away your position to the enemy.
@@ATFprdepartment They're not going into battle. Most of the time the best way to keep UN soldiers safe is by letting everyone know they're UN soldiers because there are consequences to targeting peacekeepers and most groups aren't going to risk it.. They're not even really soldiers- they're peacekeepers, bodyguards, and guards for refugee camps. Saying they need better camouflage is like saying police officers need better camouflage.
I’d have to disagree, I think that the flags simplicity works because it has to represent everyone so the symbolism has to be broad and include everyone. The blue represents the sky which is the same for everyone and is the opposite of red which is often associated blood and war, the map shows the earth with no borders so nations with territorial disputes won’t get offended, and the olive branch’s while cliché are widely recognized as symbols of peace. If you put any more symbolism you risk alienating or offending a nation. On the other hand I think your redesign goes too far in the other direction were you simplified it to the point where it has lost all meaning, and in a worst case scenario could be misinterpreted in a negative way.
Agreed, and you didn't even mention that the 4 pillars design was based on a US presidential speech. I did like the shift to gold olive branches though, perhaps to represent peace and prosperity rather than solely peace
Ehhhh you had me until you showed the alternative. Nah I'd rather have the current flag than 4 bars. I agree with the others here. Just make the globe a white circle. Done.
The thing is by doing that you are giving the impression you see the planet as a uniform blob. Would certainly fuel the paranoia that the UN and globalization is destroying national borders and identites and homogenizing everything into... a white circle.
@@sanjaymatsuda4504 barrage of accusations of racism, of discrimination against those who feel not identified in this flag (what about latinos, asians, arabs, etc). Of making world politics into just an issue of race, of disregarding political individuality among white or black populations and so on and on and on.
@@juniorcrusher2245 In real life nobody is white as paper or black as crude petrol, all people are inbetween. So if two stickmen at opposite ends of the color spectrum can hold hands, it's easy to understand that it's okay for a brown/"yellow"/whatever person to hold hands with a slightly lighter person.
Not even sure why theres a problem with the UN flag. Just because it rests on a certain continet doesnt even mean most people would notice that. O sure didint notice it at first
@@juniorcrusher2245 The only thing you can't properly recognise is Australia and that's mostly because of the stretching affect. Maybe put the Atlantic ocean at the bottom but apart from that it's absolutely okay.
I very strongly disagree with most points you made in this video. I actually really like the UN flag and the way it represents earth. The Lay-out of the world‘s continents is pretty much the most basic (and only) thing that all countries can agree and put similar value on as it simply displays their „home“. The Northpole projection is ingenious as it removes a lot of the biases towards a specific region since it is simply a fact that there are more people and, even more importantly, more landmass on the northern hemisphere. Leaving Antarctica out is a very acceptable down side to this and the compromise on focusing on the GMT Line makes sense as it puts the pacific towards the back which is the least inhabited part of the globe. Communication is still functioning as the white and blue Colour scheme is Sufficient to distinctly spot the UN flag from a distance and being able to “draw” a flag really shouldn’t be a criteria for flag design in our day and age anymore. Also those “fundamental values” you described are actually much more euro centric (or American) than the simple display of the geographic features of the earth. Freedom of speech and freedom of worship are definitely NOT the most common shared values across the entire globe. And even if they were I can’t imagine China or anyone else for that matter being happy with a quote of a wartime US-president being the foundation of what essentially is the world’s emblem. Therefore I find the 4 stripes pattern (not even mentioning its obvious visual shortcomings which others here have already described sufficiently) decidedly inferior compared to the current design (which I do think is in fact the best compromise there is).
yea, like i dont believe anyone would be offended by the way they rotated the map. for example kids learning in australia dont have their maps upside-down to show australia at "the top of the world" this is just how the world agreed to present the map of the earth
Something I like: The UN today is most focused with maintaining peace. Changing the flag would symbolically change the focus to more human rights rather than just anti-war
@@ortherner that's the point, everyone says the UN is useless at stopping atrocities (it is) but that's by design as its only goal is to stop global war from happening again, not protecting minority/appressed groups sadly.
I love how there is a flat earth conspiracy that says that because the UN flag shows a flat grid and countries that are off sized it’s proof that the earth is flat
As a Catalan I absolutely agree with implementing the original Honour flag, we should just turn it 90° and paint the background yellow. There, perfect!
@@albar428 Keyword, in the past Darfur demonstrated their toothlessness, they couldn't even protect the citizens of a country who WANTED them there. That is the ultimate failure
@@AmariFukui That makes every single military organization toothless. Every single military on earth hasn't stepped into a conflict that they should have. However one of the greatest things about the UN is the Peace corps, they helped teach and build homes in Guinea during and after the reign of Sekou Tore, and are still there to this day helping out with Covid and such. Saying the UN is useless is a fucking idiotic statement, looking at the vrand picture. The UN stopped tens of thousands of Croats from being killed, and did amazing work in West africa during the fall of the Soviet Union and still are.
@@pierresihite8854 as opposed to who else? american best buddies, the saudis are on there too. the us and its vessels themselves commit tons of crimes. the UN works by including everyone this means you get to criticize people but also get criticized by others.
I think the symbolism is only "meh" because it's very literal. It's a world, and the symbol for peace, aka "World Peace". I think the U.N. understands that peace isn't exactly an exciting concept, but it's literally what it's striving for.
I think the UN flag is actual a masterpiece. It presents in a clear enough way the world so that you see where everywhere is. It's centering one europe is the option that allow for the most countries near the top to not be mushed up. It doesn't show antartica because it's unimportant and a tense region. It's colour scheme makes is recongizable. Anyone looking at it from afar will guess it's the UN (the flag of Somalia is rarely scene and the central area shaps are kind of opposites), the red and white flag you're offering actual less recognizable, red and white aren't exactly rare on flags. The messagery is much less controversial. Instead of imposing American values (it's literrally based on a state of the union adress, not exactly neutral) that are at best centered on the West it puts a clear neutral message that few would openly object to (freedom of speach and religion are not at all seen as universal rights by UN countires let alons beligireant combatants). Being non controversial is key for a flag of peace keepers who want to be defended by the universal values they represent.
@@marten8148 Agreed, I proudly hang a UN flag in my room (just wish Antarctica could have some representation, but I guess the Antarctic Treaty System and Antarctica Flags are pretty nice)
Honestly this entire video feels dumb. The UN flag is probably the second most recognizable flag in the world. Literally there's only 1 other country using that light blue and white combination. And while it's not perfect. His new flag is so bad. There's the symbolism that's just dumb. He's using American values in a UN flag? And then he claims using the line where the whole globe adjusts it's time is biased? Also there's the fact everyone would be confused by it. It's redesign lacks any recognition. Like he said, the UN relies on recognition to defend itself and 4 pillars are so fucking vague nobody would recognize it. This video just reeks of him trying to justify why the UN would use this flag. He creates this "issue" with recognizability and then does mental gymnastics trying to prove the UN's old flag was better when it was far, far worse. It adds nothing. It creates conflict and confusion. Honestly the worse video on his Chanel by far.
I agree with most of what you said but just as a small correction: he actually never proposed to change the flag to the red-white color scheme. He wanted to keep the iconic blue and white and just change the "logo".
My proposition: Delete the branch and the map, but leave the globe lines (only delete the map) because either you agree or not, not everyone has the same ideals as those 4 pillars representing.
@@bomba7197 That's a paradox. If people live in a state that doesn't share those ideals, they live in a dictatorship. If freedom is forced, its like a dictatorship. To be honest, I would support a UN campaign to democratise every country, and I believe that there should be a law to which all countries should obey
@@hugomlpaixao That would be terrible, the definition of democracy is very wide.. that would mean the UN attacking democratic nations that are accused of not democratic. Who will decide what is a democracy will have the power to attack other nations... Even if it is a council of nations they would have the power to decide what countries to be attacked by the whole world based on what they saw as non-democratic.
@@bomba7197 yeah sure, it does have its flaws. But take North Korea. Do you think they should be allowed to exist? Do you think Saudi Arabia has the right not to treat women and men equally?
One thing I do like about the map in the current UN flag is that although strange-looking it's actually as fair as a world-map could conceivably be. Areas in the north get to be in the center at the cost of being smaller, and areas in the south get to be larger at the cost of being more distorted
I know keeping it simple is an important rule in flag design but I think this is a rare exception. The UN flag should be a little grandiose and flamboyant. It's represents a meeting of all the nations on earth working on freedom and peace for all and I think a fancy flag can reflect that important mission.
I think the whole "you can't see the details from a distance" isn't necessarily an issue. As long as you can identify what the flag is at a distance, it doesn't matter how many details it has. For example, look at the Portuguese flag, it has a lot of detail in the center, but has a design that lets it stand out from other flags at a glance. I'd argue it's a better flag than for example the Dutch flag, which is really simple and straightforward, but there's so many similar looking flags (Russia, Luxemburg, Croatia, Paraguay, just to name a few) that it loses that "identifiable from a distance" property.
It's the United Nations though... Not the Freedom Protectors It makes.. sense for it to be a map of all countries, also explaining why antarctica is not on there. And even if you say that 'Yeah but countries HAVE claimed parts of antarctica' well it doesn't really makes sense as it isn't really national territory proper, which is why we still say that France's longest land border is with brazil and not with Australia. Well I hope I made sense, have a nice night.
While the UN emblem is definitely overly detailed in a vexillological sense, I do like it more than just four simple pillars, which are a bit boring :’ ) Additionally, there is also a issue regarding the meaning of the pillars; Some UN-member states are not exactly the biggest fans of (some of) these freedoms and might oppose such a new design. I think a better solution might be to simplify the projection of the earth on the flag and maybe to remove the wreath.
I think that trying to get every country to agree to a flag that references so many freedoms would be hard. There's quite a few UN members which are freedom-optional. ://
(1:10) Proportions/Aspect ratio can never be "bigger" than another. 2:3 isn't bigger than 1:1, and isn't bigger than 3:5. It's all about how it's formatted. • If you have a fixed width of the flags, then the less square flags will be bigger and longer. • If you have a fixed length of the flags, then the more square flags will be bigger and taller. • If you ensure all flags have the same area, then no flag is bigger than another. A 1:1 flag will be shorter but taller than a 2:3 flag
Mathematically, if a ratio is just a rational number, it is comparable to other ratios. 2:3 = 0.66…, 1:1 = 1, 3:5 = 0.6. So 3:5 < 2:3, and 2:3 < 1:1. You identify two different things: the area of a flag and the size of its aspect ratio. I think we agree on that greater area means bigger flag, but bigger aspect ratio can mean relatively either wider or higher depending on the definition. In this case, it seems that the aspect ratio is the ratio of height to width, so relatively higher is bigger.
You make some of the best videos in the genre of “stick figure talking about things that are otherwise uninteresting but provided in an interesting overview with humor”
Yeah if you had a vote on these flags and had people choose which one they wanted i guarantee you'd have 90%+ for the current one Another rule of flag design: People have to actually like how it looks
I would change the globe to a solid circle and make the olive branches somewhat straighter so they stay under the globe rather than wrap around it. Keeps the symbolism while making it more visually distinct from a distance.
Perhaps make the branches gold instead/as well like how it was shown in the video. Adds a new color with a generally well understood meaning to offset the 2 light colors as well as making it more visually distinct
7:06 The flag with the intricate shapes and more complicated design is 'bland'? Yet the flag with 4 completely meaningless (to anyone outside of the US) basic rectangles is not bland? What?!
I mean you could just have a blue background with a globe looking shape in the middle without any continents. Similar to the armillary sphere (gold part in the Portuguese flag)
@@sonja5058 The point is: To me, this map, despite its Eurocentrism, is not unfair to the rest of the world.... Yes, the map is facing north, but it still treats all parts of the world quite fairly because, in return, the area of the southern hemisphere is shown much larger. You can see it either way, but to me it treats every part of the world equally fairly and unfairly.
@@sonja5058 Eurocentric? It's focused on the north pole, the other unbiased solution being the south pole...hiding away most of the world. It's a fair and unbiased projection, no one lives in Antartica.
i actually think you should stretch the white pillars out more to make it *really* look like jail bars, so it can be more actually representative of the UN
Hmm, I'd use the astronomical symbol of earth (circle with cross in the middle), maybe keeping the branches or not, and maybe with a darker shade of blue (since this color scheme would get mixed with the sky)
@@nmmeswey3584 I know what you're talking about and I understand your concern, but is it that hard to understand that the cross represents the equator and a meridian? If it's still too risky, then what about more lines to represent a globe?
Great start, now I say we have two rows of lines with 4 on top and 4 on the bottom essentially splitting them in half. Then we reduce the top row to 3 lines, preferably the second one as to space out the others. Then we take the line in the bottom right and rotate it 90 degrees. And then boom, you have our masterpiece. | | | | | |__
I kinda like the complexity of the current flag. It collapses from an intricate diagram down to an indistinguishable circle when looking from afar. Kinda the earth itself: super complex up close, but one of many from far away.
While I don't feel like his Tapakapa's flag is terrible, I don't feel like the current one needs to be changed. Reason being that if you can't perfectly draw a flag that doesn't make it terrible. If you can get close enough by a terrible or inacurrate drawing it's good enough. A tip for making the current flag better would be to have a second side so on one side you'd have a north pole centered world and the other side has a south pole centered world. If completely redesigned, a dove on the background would look nice.
I would never have associated my flag version with either crosswalks or prison bars. Quite a revelation.
See, this is exactly why films have test screenings.
5:35 Only the olive brances shoud do
This is why I like you, you listen to your community and don't just ignore it.
Cool topic! Weird question: Do you know what the march in the outro is called? It slaps, but I don’t recognize it.
I don't like it because it looks like the bars are getting bigger and smaller
*idea put a bar over and connecting the four pillars representing human rights in total, or maybe a pentagram like a roman building. idk.
The problem with your new design is it now looks like jail bars.
If that was the main problem you could just rotate the lines.
@@aktuellyattee8265 Now it looks like a horizontal jail.
@@MrAgLi I don't think horizontal bars work very well at deterring escape; they sorta create a ladder.
Kinda like what being a member of the organization is
Ironic
"The UN flag has a bland design"
*Puts 4 rectangulars on a light blue background*
I like the original
@@Casual2020Enjoyer same Eugene
@@Casual2020Enjoyer me too
@@Casual2020Enjoyer I think he has the right idea but got it wrong.
@@Casual2020Enjoyer Same
I see your point, but consider this: the current UN emblem looks friendlier than the 4 pillars thing because it's pleasant and round while the pillars are are very angular and almost intimidating looking. Also, the symbolism is way too obscure and abstract for the general population cuz like everyvone knows about the continents, but the 4 basic freedoms is straight up nerd shit lol
The symbolism being easily understood is the most important part. For the talk about the UN flag being unrecognisable at a distance, four pillars is unrecognisable whatsoever if you don't already know what it represents. But a flag with a world and a peace symbol? You don't even have to have heard what the UN even is, you'd still guess what it's about.
The redesigned flag kind of looks like prison bars to me. Probably not the ideal symbolism the UN is looking for. Now that said I am an American so of course it reminds me of prison bars.
I understand his point but in my opinion, I think the UN flag is one of the best especially for what UN wants to represent. And it's more universal than 4 pillars flag, Earth map and peace end.
@@weakspirit_ maybe it's because I'm from Europe but I would rather live somewhere with these 4 basic freedoms than somewhere where they are missing.
And even in European countries sometimes these 4 freedoms are not held 100% which makes me sad..
Thou speaketh truth!
>Man claims the UN flag is obvious and bland
>Proceeds to change the harmonious-looking icon with a bunch of bars
I disagree completely, the UN flag is easily reconicable for anyone whom knows what it looks like from a distance. And pretty unique in color in addition.
If anything, just remove the land from the globe and make it be a globe grid earth.
It's not Whom knows, it's Who knows.
whom isn’t really part of the English language anymore
from what globe ? are you denying the fact THE EARTH IS FLAT - even the world leaders can see this
People, whom is very much still a part of the English language, and is completely correct here
@@indiegala281'for who does the bell toll' ?
I disagree. Yes, the emblem is kind of difficult to deduce from a distance. But the stark contrast of the coloration (blue and white), which is only shared by one other nation, is more than enough to denote the flag of the United Nations. Also, you oversimplify the flag by removing the world map and replacing it with abstract bars. A flag is to be simple, yes, but it should also be meaningful and indicative of the entity it represents. A world map clearly identifies to anyone, regardless of language, that this flag represents a global organization. Four bars are much more abstract, and meaning is much harder to deduce. I insist that the simplicity of colors makes up for the complexity of the world map, rounding out into what is arguably one of the most easily identified flags in the entire world.
Like the United Kingdom flag, it represents England, Scotland and Northern Ireland combining their flags together but also to signify their unity as they share these isles together.
Or the American Flag with the stars representing the 50-49 States.
Simplicity doesn’t always mean good but it can be used if that simplicity represents something more complex.
dont care didnt ask+ratio+cope+L
Let be honest no one is expecting to be invaded Samalia
@@aaronking2020 dont care didnt ask + ratio+L+cope
@@rageraptor7127 except for Africa, maybe. They kinda do that stuff often.
The honor flag with the blue and white looks like a corporate logo.
Would be accurate then tho
@@salutic.7544 how?
@@cheekybum1513 bunch of morons who thinks they have the moral high ground.
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I like both designs.
I’d leave the circle with the meridians and parallels and just get rid of the the geographical shapes. It’s the same concept just without the geographical distortion.
this is way better
So a big internet (browser) sign?
@@weakspirit_ then it's a "Geography Teachers Society" (or something). For some reason this shape just associates with maps and geography
Wouldn't it look like a crosshair then?
Nah that's just making a target of the UN flag
HOLY MOLY A EDUCATIONAL TH-camR WHO SITES THIER SOURCES. Good on ya.
I feel the issue with putting the color on the background rather than the pillars is that it creates this illusion of the 4 pillars of freedom being drained of color and then locked behind blue prison bars.
„The honor flag is simple and iconic“
Is it bad that I never knew it existed?
I thought it was a German military rank at first lol
@@abdisaniini why german?
@@anopirsten7565 Just thought of Germany first
No, almost no one knows about it lmao
No its the worst flag i could think of other than putting Doritos, mt. Dew, and the cool s on a flag
even the UN is getting oversimplified
lol
@@BlaudracheLP Wrong oversimplified, James Pigeon was reffering to oversimplified logos(logos that are oversimplified such as the new fire fox logo)
Honestly is a good one. *(NOT THE FIRE FOX ONE)*
@@teoborges3949 in my opinion the original one is better tbh
So is collapsing
I think you could improve the flag a lot by replacing the map projection with a stylized globe like this 🌐
Cool, no countries, no bias!
That’s too boring
internet flag
But then some countries would be on the other side.
Edit: my comment makes no sense and I don't know how sleep deprived I was when I wrote it. So you can stop responding
That sorta looks like the commonwealth flag aswell.
internet vexicologists try not to turn flags into boring corporate logos challenge (99.999% impossible)
😂😂😂
*"UN: Involved in Peace"*
imagine that line but without a colon
The UN flag breaks some rules of flag design, but abides by the most important one: if it works, screw the rules. And it works!
The flag of The Most Serene Republic of Venice is one of the most complicated flags out there, but look at it! It's fucking badass and it looks great
Lots of flag people want to make flags an oversimplified corporate logo
@@bobpobcf9723 thats why I hate so called "vexilloigists" they care way too much about weird stuff like the aspect ratio than what it actually looks like
No, he's right that it's kind of indistinct and bland. The symbols are definitely too complex and obvious. "We're representing the world, so let's put a world map on our flag!" "That's a great idea! Say, Chile should do the same thing, but for its map!"
@@bobpobcf9723 simplification isn't always a bad thing
some of the most iconic logos in history are extremely simply. captain america's logo is legitimately just a red white and blue circle with a star in the middle. spider-man's logo is so simple that white triangles over a red circle makes you think of the webslinger, despite it missing the more curved designs and black line patterns
I disagree with the olive branches being too detailed, they're super simple. I'd keep the flag as-is but change the map to a simple symbol representing the earth.
And what would that symbol be?
@@underscoredfrisk Have you never seen a simplified world map?
@@soarel325 Some countries are gonna be left out and they're not gonna be happy
What about the astrological symbol for earth? It's a circle with a plus inside. (you'll be familiar with venus ♀and mars ♂symbols).
Much preferable to the prison-bars design! 🤣
@@ReubsWalsh I like it a lot, especially since I love old mystical symbolism
This is feeling like a cgp gray fever dream
Gotta love the UN’s bright blue colors being used as a “shoot here” icon on peacekeepers’s helmets, completely negating camouflage and providing no protection for UN troops
@A Mothman with a phone the same way you’re not really supposed to shoot people normally, that doesn’t give the UN an excuse to give troops equipment with barely any protection that could and has gotten a lot of peacekeepers killed. The really should’ve just stuck with an armband
I mean, a good flag IS visible and distinguishable. It’s easy to find on a uniform so that you can easily see who that soldier serves. That’s the point. Civilians can easily find the UN troops, that’s a good thing. People fighting against UN troops likewise ought to know, they’re fighting against UN troops. If the enemy is close enough to use the icon as a crosshair, then they probably don’t even need said crosshair
@@omnominus my issue here is combat troops being thrust into battle with plastic all-blue bucket helmets (like the ones given to Irish soldiers in Jadotville, which I’m pretty sure they decided to not even bother wearing them). For identification, that’s simple solution, out of combat, you’ve got the bright blue arm bands, and in battle, an arm band is easy and not betraying camouflage nearly as much as 20% of the uniform being this useless bright blue piece of plastic easily giving away your position to the enemy.
@@ATFprdepartment They're not going into battle. Most of the time the best way to keep UN soldiers safe is by letting everyone know they're UN soldiers because there are consequences to targeting peacekeepers and most groups aren't going to risk it.. They're not even really soldiers- they're peacekeepers, bodyguards, and guards for refugee camps. Saying they need better camouflage is like saying police officers need better camouflage.
I’d have to disagree, I think that the flags simplicity works because it has to represent everyone so the symbolism has to be broad and include everyone. The blue represents the sky which is the same for everyone and is the opposite of red which is often associated blood and war, the map shows the earth with no borders so nations with territorial disputes won’t get offended, and the olive branch’s while cliché are widely recognized as symbols of peace. If you put any more symbolism you risk alienating or offending a nation. On the other hand I think your redesign goes too far in the other direction were you simplified it to the point where it has lost all meaning, and in a worst case scenario could be misinterpreted in a negative way.
Agreed, and you didn't even mention that the 4 pillars design was based on a US presidential speech.
I did like the shift to gold olive branches though, perhaps to represent peace and prosperity rather than solely peace
Not to be too mean... But the moment I saw the old flag I thought of a jail
I thought of a zebra crossing
kentucky fried chicken.
To be quite honest, I think the redesign is plain horrible lmao
well so is the current and tbh organization that can't even take care of it's own shouldn't have that much power
@@kasper4079 Something blurry > Jail bars
Yep
4:06 that flag is much better than the old UN flag, when it just has the olive branches
5:02 no, we been invaded by... Micronesia
The seal looks round, so maybe it’s an organization.
Ehhhh you had me until you showed the alternative. Nah I'd rather have the current flag than 4 bars. I agree with the others here. Just make the globe a white circle. Done.
The thing is by doing that you are giving the impression you see the planet as a uniform blob. Would certainly fuel the paranoia that the UN and globalization is destroying national borders and identites and homogenizing everything into... a white circle.
@@icecold1805 Okay, then make it a black stickman holding hands with a white stickman.
@@sanjaymatsuda4504 barrage of accusations of racism, of discrimination against those who feel not identified in this flag (what about latinos, asians, arabs, etc). Of making world politics into just an issue of race, of disregarding political individuality among white or black populations and so on and on and on.
@@sanjaymatsuda4504 yellow stickman????? Your design would cause alot of problems
@@juniorcrusher2245 In real life nobody is white as paper or black as crude petrol, all people are inbetween. So if two stickmen at opposite ends of the color spectrum can hold hands, it's easy to understand that it's okay for a brown/"yellow"/whatever person to hold hands with a slightly lighter person.
Current design isn't perfect but your alternative is worse
True
Amen.
Maybe we should remove the world map and make the olive branches bigger
Not even sure why theres a problem with the UN flag. Just because it rests on a certain continet doesnt even mean most people would notice that. O sure didint notice it at first
@@juniorcrusher2245
The only thing you can't properly recognise is Australia and that's mostly because of the stretching affect. Maybe put the Atlantic ocean at the bottom but apart from that it's absolutely okay.
The UN: stop developing nuclear weapons
Me: How bout I do, _anyway_
funny seeing you here Mr supreme leader
supreme leader of best korea, You don't see supreme leader of the other korea commenting on a Tapakapa video.
thought you hated japan lol
Grrr metal gear
Funny thing is it was actually the americans who violated the original non-proliferation treaties with north korea
3:51 Instructions unclear I now have to pay child support for F
6:35 North korea: Dont add it, i might have to leave if you do!
You almost turned the UN flag into a loss meme and that is hilarious to me
I very strongly disagree with most points you made in this video. I actually really like the UN flag and the way it represents earth. The Lay-out of the world‘s continents is pretty much the most basic (and only) thing that all countries can agree and put similar value on as it simply displays their „home“. The Northpole projection is ingenious as it removes a lot of the biases towards a specific region since it is simply a fact that there are more people and, even more importantly, more landmass on the northern hemisphere. Leaving Antarctica out is a very acceptable down side to this and the compromise on focusing on the GMT Line makes sense as it puts the pacific towards the back which is the least inhabited part of the globe. Communication is still functioning as the white and blue Colour scheme is Sufficient to distinctly spot the UN flag from a distance and being able to “draw” a flag really shouldn’t be a criteria for flag design in our day and age anymore.
Also those “fundamental values” you described are actually much more euro centric (or American) than the simple display of the geographic features of the earth. Freedom of speech and freedom of worship are definitely NOT the most common shared values across the entire globe. And even if they were I can’t imagine China or anyone else for that matter being happy with a quote of a wartime US-president being the foundation of what essentially is the world’s emblem. Therefore I find the 4 stripes pattern (not even mentioning its obvious visual shortcomings which others here have already described sufficiently) decidedly inferior compared to the current design (which I do think is in fact the best compromise there is).
woah this is long, i just thought the og UN flag looked nice
Exactly, idk what went through this guys head.
yea, like i dont believe anyone would be offended by the way they rotated the map. for example kids learning in australia dont have their maps upside-down to show australia at "the top of the world"
this is just how the world agreed to present the map of the earth
Also, new flag looks like jail
@@wojtekpolska1013 also that, everyone accepted it
Makes sense to make the UN flag into a zebra crossing.
Everyone just walk over them anyway!
Exactly what I thought
Bar one or two times
Keep talking smack like that and you might just receive a strongly worded letter!
@@FriedTurkey You'd have to give the punishment to yourself. Because the UN represents your interests.
You see how it works now?
Funfact, the English used at the UN is British-ish English.
So "programme", "centre" and, most relevant for your video, "honour".
honestly a large circle with "UN" in it, similar to their goofy helmets, would be a banger flag for the organization
Text on flags never go well.
Tapakapa: We are better off letting maps be maps and flags be flags.
Cyprus: How dare you?
Kosovo: *I'm with Cyprus*
Bangladesh: I'm in-- Nah nvm
@@risannd what does bangladesh even have to do with it?
@@trollinape2697 Bangladesh flag originally had yellow map of hers inside the red circle. It was later removed upon independence.
@@risannd never knew, thx for tellin me
I prefer the old one... I'm sorry. I go against the emoji/simplistic design flags, I think they become to simple and lose something.
Noo UN don't turn me into an oversimplified logo!
It's the Firefox nightmare all over again.
I'm with this!
If you oversimplify something so much it loses it's uniqueness and recognizability, like the firefox or edge logo.
Isn't 70% of europe flags like 3 lines or a cross
Bruhhhh the “have we been invaded by Somalia” joke had me DEAD
If you think the flag is bad, wait till you see the Organization.
The problem with your new design is that it looks like a barcode you would scan at the supermarket.
“This is a bad flag” he says to one of the most iconic flags in the entire world
Iconic doesn’t mean good
@@Ara-gp4yj It is good
@@Ara-gp4yj so u mean great right?
@@theratking6168 it’s not
@@Ara-gp4yj it’s good for recognizing.
Something I like: The UN today is most focused with maintaining peace. Changing the flag would symbolically change the focus to more human rights rather than just anti-war
actually your wrong, because china is in the UN and they despise human rights lol.
@@ortherner that's the point, everyone says the UN is useless at stopping atrocities (it is) but that's by design as its only goal is to stop global war from happening again, not protecting minority/appressed groups sadly.
@@ortherner Most nations are in UN. Their presence doesn't say anything.
I hate the UN
*I HATE THE ANTICHRIST*
@@kennedytheretard975 ayyy I saw that meme
Another great vido from Takap... Tapek... Tepek... The flag guy.
I love how there is a flat earth conspiracy that says that because the UN flag shows a flat grid and countries that are off sized it’s proof that the earth is flat
Flat Earthers are truly special
Noooo, don't turn me into an oversimplified logo
As a Catalan I absolutely agree with implementing the original Honour flag, we should just turn it 90° and paint the background yellow. There, perfect!
isn't that just the catalan flag?
@@kasper4079 Shhh, dont let them into the secret
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One problem about using those 4 pillars as the basis for the new design, is there are countries in the UN that don't agree with them very strongly.
Fuck em.
And that right there is why the UN is toothless and pointless
@@AmariFukui The UN provided lots of military action in the past, and there are still peacekeepers deployed around the world.
@@albar428 Keyword, in the past
Darfur demonstrated their toothlessness, they couldn't even protect the citizens of a country who WANTED them there. That is the ultimate failure
@@AmariFukui That makes every single military organization toothless. Every single military on earth hasn't stepped into a conflict that they should have. However one of the greatest things about the UN is the Peace corps, they helped teach and build homes in Guinea during and after the reign of Sekou Tore, and are still there to this day helping out with Covid and such. Saying the UN is useless is a fucking idiotic statement, looking at the vrand picture. The UN stopped tens of thousands of Croats from being killed, and did amazing work in West africa during the fall of the Soviet Union and still are.
I wish the biggest problem with the UN was their flag design.
Laughs in human rights violations
*Laughs nervously at China joining the Human Rights Council*
@@pierresihite8854 as opposed to who else? american best buddies, the saudis are on there too. the us and its vessels themselves commit tons of crimes. the UN works by including everyone this means you get to criticize people but also get criticized by others.
Laughs in world government
@@shamusson "Remember that the UN itself was built on land donated by John D Rockefeller."
5:12 - LOL, i had the experience of spending 20 minutes on just drawing the US flag in a school project )))
Him : There you go!
Me : *sees the worst flag ever*
Me again : Say Whaaaaaaaattt
I think the symbolism is only "meh" because it's very literal. It's a world, and the symbol for peace, aka "World Peace". I think the U.N. understands that peace isn't exactly an exciting concept, but it's literally what it's striving for.
I think the UN flag is actual a masterpiece. It presents in a clear enough way the world so that you see where everywhere is. It's centering one europe is the option that allow for the most countries near the top to not be mushed up. It doesn't show antartica because it's unimportant and a tense region.
It's colour scheme makes is recongizable. Anyone looking at it from afar will guess it's the UN (the flag of Somalia is rarely scene and the central area shaps are kind of opposites), the red and white flag you're offering actual less recognizable, red and white aren't exactly rare on flags.
The messagery is much less controversial. Instead of imposing American values (it's literrally based on a state of the union adress, not exactly neutral) that are at best centered on the West it puts a clear neutral message that few would openly object to (freedom of speach and religion are not at all seen as universal rights by UN countires let alons beligireant combatants). Being non controversial is key for a flag of peace keepers who want to be defended by the universal values they represent.
The current flag of the UN is honestly one of my favorite flags
@@marten8148 Agreed, I proudly hang a UN flag in my room (just wish Antarctica could have some representation, but I guess the Antarctic Treaty System and Antarctica Flags are pretty nice)
I just thought I mean it's kinda a dumb idea but what if you had a south pole projection on the backside of the flag so it could include antarctica
Honestly this entire video feels dumb. The UN flag is probably the second most recognizable flag in the world. Literally there's only 1 other country using that light blue and white combination.
And while it's not perfect. His new flag is so bad.
There's the symbolism that's just dumb. He's using American values in a UN flag? And then he claims using the line where the whole globe adjusts it's time is biased?
Also there's the fact everyone would be confused by it. It's redesign lacks any recognition. Like he said, the UN relies on recognition to defend itself and 4 pillars are so fucking vague nobody would recognize it.
This video just reeks of him trying to justify why the UN would use this flag. He creates this "issue" with recognizability and then does mental gymnastics trying to prove the UN's old flag was better when it was far, far worse. It adds nothing. It creates conflict and confusion. Honestly the worse video on his Chanel by far.
I agree with most of what you said but just as a small correction: he actually never proposed to change the flag to the red-white color scheme. He wanted to keep the iconic blue and white and just change the "logo".
My proposition: Delete the branch and the map, but leave the globe lines (only delete the map) because either you agree or not, not everyone has the same ideals as those 4 pillars representing.
Not everyone has those ideals, but they should, and the UN should stand for those
@@hugomlpaixao Forcing it is like a dictator forcing his ideals
@@bomba7197 That's a paradox. If people live in a state that doesn't share those ideals, they live in a dictatorship. If freedom is forced, its like a dictatorship.
To be honest, I would support a UN campaign to democratise every country, and I believe that there should be a law to which all countries should obey
@@hugomlpaixao That would be terrible, the definition of democracy is very wide.. that would mean the UN attacking democratic nations that are accused of not democratic. Who will decide what is a democracy will have the power to attack other nations... Even if it is a council of nations they would have the power to decide what countries to be attacked by the whole world based on what they saw as non-democratic.
@@bomba7197 yeah sure, it does have its flaws.
But take North Korea. Do you think they should be allowed to exist?
Do you think Saudi Arabia has the right not to treat women and men equally?
Put a pentagram. boom done
I think on the UN flag they should put the symbol for earth instead of a world map
One thing I do like about the map in the current UN flag is that although strange-looking it's actually as fair as a world-map could conceivably be.
Areas in the north get to be in the center at the cost of being smaller, and areas in the south get to be larger at the cost of being more distorted
The map only has a bias if you've already decided that North is up
I know keeping it simple is an important rule in flag design but I think this is a rare exception. The UN flag should be a little grandiose and flamboyant. It's represents a meeting of all the nations on earth working on freedom and peace for all and I think a fancy flag can reflect that important mission.
"Flags should be simple."
The US: *Are you sure about that?*
Person 1:Cool, we made the flag.
Person 2: Hmm, it's not good enough... *Let's zoom it out.*
He put "a bit" in the title so that the UN doesn't send the FBI to his house to change it.
I think the whole "you can't see the details from a distance" isn't necessarily an issue. As long as you can identify what the flag is at a distance, it doesn't matter how many details it has. For example, look at the Portuguese flag, it has a lot of detail in the center, but has a design that lets it stand out from other flags at a glance. I'd argue it's a better flag than for example the Dutch flag, which is really simple and straightforward, but there's so many similar looking flags (Russia, Luxemburg, Croatia, Paraguay, just to name a few) that it loses that "identifiable from a distance" property.
Or Slovakia vs Slovenia... and even more, Monaco and Indonesia (although, they are much farther apart, and don't come into contact that often)
It's not our fault so many flags look like ours, the Netherlands had it before the rest did
you kno wwhat? Just make the flag a hexagon, because we all know that hexagons are bestagons
Good idea!
Wrong channel but yeah lol, i agree
noice idea
Me: can we get CPG grey
Mom: we have CPG grey at home
CPG grey at home:
I actually clicked on this, thinking it was a CPG video
Not disappointed tho
He pretty cool
6:19 mustache man and friends bruuuh
It's the United Nations though... Not the Freedom Protectors
It makes.. sense for it to be a map of all countries, also explaining why antarctica is not on there.
And even if you say that 'Yeah but countries HAVE claimed parts of antarctica' well it doesn't really makes sense as it isn't really national territory proper, which is why we still say that France's longest land border is with brazil and not with Australia.
Well I hope I made sense, have a nice night.
I think you could change your name to: Flags that suck and sometimes potatoes
Way catchier ^_^
BOOO! YOU ARE MEAN
While the UN emblem is definitely overly detailed in a vexillological sense, I do like it more than just four simple pillars, which are a bit boring :’ ) Additionally, there is also a issue regarding the meaning of the pillars; Some UN-member states are not exactly the biggest fans of (some of) these freedoms and might oppose such a new design. I think a better solution might be to simplify the projection of the earth on the flag and maybe to remove the wreath.
I think that trying to get every country to agree to a flag that references so many freedoms would be hard. There's quite a few UN members which are freedom-optional. ://
ikr freedom of speech? We don’t have that in my country (People’s Republic of China)
@@newspacia your country? you profile says you live in Uk and don't even speak chinese. you like pretending to be a PRC citizen on the internet?
@@mxn1948 he probaly just has learned english
@@mxn1948 Breaking: Local clown ignores existence of VPNs, more at 11.
"Antarctica is missing" I want you to think about this for a minute.
What do you exactly want to say?
I like the UN flag from ,,every country flag if they were fascists"
looks metal
That’s what the dang antarcticans* get for not joining
antrarica*
@@MCCCXI. antarctica*
Apparently hearts disappear when you edit a comment TIL
@@UGMD WHAT, feel sorry for u man
They uave joined
Bro it's United NATIONS, not United Earth, Antartica is no nation, why include it tho?
Because most of it is controlled by Countries?
1:58 your Austrian German accent makes presence here.
I think that was intentional ;)
The new one lowkey looks like Greece's flag
Im so happy seeing the paraguayan flag being show at 0:42
yeah
(1:10) Proportions/Aspect ratio can never be "bigger" than another. 2:3 isn't bigger than 1:1, and isn't bigger than 3:5. It's all about how it's formatted.
• If you have a fixed width of the flags, then the less square flags will be bigger and longer.
• If you have a fixed length of the flags, then the more square flags will be bigger and taller.
• If you ensure all flags have the same area, then no flag is bigger than another. A 1:1 flag will be shorter but taller than a 2:3 flag
Mathematically, if a ratio is just a rational number, it is comparable to other ratios. 2:3 = 0.66…, 1:1 = 1, 3:5 = 0.6. So 3:5 < 2:3, and 2:3 < 1:1.
You identify two different things: the area of a flag and the size of its aspect ratio. I think we agree on that greater area means bigger flag, but bigger aspect ratio can mean relatively either wider or higher depending on the definition. In this case, it seems that the aspect ratio is the ratio of height to width, so relatively higher is bigger.
2937282:1928517 is my favorite aspect ratio
When mom says we have CGPGrey at home
Both are good so i would reccomend to shut
You make some of the best videos in the genre of “stick figure talking about things that are otherwise uninteresting but provided in an interesting overview with humor”
Yeah if you had a vote on these flags and had people choose which one they wanted i guarantee you'd have 90%+ for the current one
Another rule of flag design: People have to actually like how it looks
Very good video but you created the 4th hyperstate for 1984
I would change the globe to a solid circle and make the olive branches somewhat straighter so they stay under the globe rather than wrap around it. Keeps the symbolism while making it more visually distinct from a distance.
Perhaps make the branches gold instead/as well like how it was shown in the video. Adds a new color with a generally well understood meaning to offset the 2 light colors as well as making it more visually distinct
@@TrueFlameslinger I actually like that Idea
I like the current UN flag as it is :/
7:06 The flag with the intricate shapes and more complicated design is 'bland'? Yet the flag with 4 completely meaningless (to anyone outside of the US) basic rectangles is not bland? What?!
The UN Flag should actually just be a pentagram
0:15it represents the scout from tf2?
Lol
I mean you could just have a blue background with a globe looking shape in the middle without any continents. Similar to the armillary sphere (gold part in the Portuguese flag)
That's a good idea broh, that seems better for me. The guy of the video idea was terrible, i mean bars wtf?? xd
an armillary sphere replacing the global projection would be much better.
Nah i prefer the og over your proposed one
I wouldn't disagree with you more on any subject! The current UN flag is fantastic...
So you don't mind the eurocentric distorted map projection?
@@sonja5058 The point is: To me, this map, despite its Eurocentrism, is not unfair to the rest of the world.... Yes, the map is facing north, but it still treats all parts of the world quite fairly because, in return, the area of the southern hemisphere is shown much larger. You can see it either way, but to me it treats every part of the world equally fairly and unfairly.
@@marten8148 That's a nice way of looking at it :)
@@sonja5058 Eurocentric? It's focused on the north pole, the other unbiased solution being the south pole...hiding away most of the world.
It's a fair and unbiased projection, no one lives in Antartica.
New here, love the fact, that you actually suggested something! :D
i actually think you should stretch the white pillars out more to make it *really* look like jail bars, so it can be more actually representative of the UN
Hmm, I'd use the astronomical symbol of earth (circle with cross in the middle), maybe keeping the branches or not, and maybe with a darker shade of blue (since this color scheme would get mixed with the sky)
woah, rs mapping? I loved your AFOSA series!
Crosses on a flag that is supposed to represent the word would be problematic in ways I hopefully don't need to explain.
@@nmmeswey3584 I know what you're talking about and I understand your concern, but is it that hard to understand that the cross represents the equator and a meridian? If it's still too risky, then what about more lines to represent a globe?
@@rsmapping8539 Maybe that would help, but by that point, why not just use a globe instead?
Just a circle with a cross kinda has some Nazi connotations.
Great start, now I say we have two rows of lines with 4 on top and 4 on the bottom essentially splitting them in half. Then we reduce the top row to 3 lines, preferably the second one as to space out the others. Then we take the line in the bottom right and rotate it 90 degrees. And then boom, you have our masterpiece.
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Have to agree with you Tapa. Bit barcode-y, but leagues ahead of the current design.
@The secular humanist they are a patron, they get to see the video one day before the rest
I kinda like the complexity of the current flag. It collapses from an intricate diagram down to an indistinguishable circle when looking from afar.
Kinda the earth itself: super complex up close, but one of many from far away.
Lean in to the barcode effect and make it a QR code!
@The secular humanist Magic ;)
Jk, I'm a Patreon supporter. I see the video a day before everyone else.
the flag u sugested sadly whould never be accepted because it had a mesage that would probably offend China
Congratulations, you invented a crosswalk!
0:01 that gave me PBS kids flashbacks
had tapa been on flag making committee he would have put an potato on flag
While I don't feel like his Tapakapa's flag is terrible, I don't feel like the current one needs to be changed.
Reason being that if you can't perfectly draw a flag that doesn't make it terrible. If you can get close enough by a terrible or inacurrate drawing it's good enough.
A tip for making the current flag better would be to have a second side so on one side you'd have a north pole centered world and the other side has a south pole centered world.
If completely redesigned, a dove on the background would look nice.
You know that if they decided to put Antarctica on it now, flat earthers would see it as evidence that there is an ice wall keeping it all in.
flag fans when a flag has an obvious and easily recognizable meaning: "this flag is bad they should use these colored polygons instead"