GoldenEar Triton Reference speakers: The pros & cons after 2 years of use
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- The GoldenEar Triton Reference are my current speakers and when I purchased them my audiophile journey just took-of! Now after more than 2 years of intensive use I am finally ready to share with you all the positive and negative aspects I have detected.
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I owned these speakers for two years. I have had ultra high end speakers at 6-7 times the price since. But I have never had as much fun and soulful experiences as I did with these! I think I will have to repurchase them. I can't stop missing the Triton References. Amazing Value!
Wow! What an endorsement!
@@anadialog yeah well but it is true. Some have been more refined and detailed and all that, but the dynamics, the incredible bass and the ability to sound good on everything is quite unique! They just gave me a foot-tapping experience like nothing else. Also they had an amazing 3d! For my non audiophile friends that have heard all my setups still rave about those Tritons, and how insanely impressive they thought they were.
@@audiolife5038 The bass is far from incredible and mediocre with regards to speed and control. Contrary to what Guido and GE claims, the speakers aren't flat to 12Hz. GE does what Polk and Def Tech did regarding frequency response and what Klipsch does with sensitivity - they lie. The Tritons do everything reasonably well but not greatly by any means.
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt well if set up correctly with perfect Dirac control you can surely get perfectly thight, fast and hard hitting bass from them.
@@audiolife5038 Nope! I stand by my statement.
Best speakers I owned ever, I regret selling them after 2 years😢 Probably I will go back and buy the Triton Reference again.
Pretty thorough analysis. It's pretty crazy how some speakers reveal the sound engineer, in addition to the equipment you have. It really takes a great pair of ears and constant listening to attempt to figure it all out. Then, when you throw in your set up concerning the speakers, that makes it even more maddening. We should be so lucky, to have receivers that can at least help us make that adjustment. Unfortunately, I don't know a tube amplifier that can possibly do that.
I love my T Refs. Just started the video, bit I will say ny biggest con is the lack of vertical dispersion of the HVFRT. I wish the aoundstage qas larger vertically for films
Bought these my preamp is a marantz av10 I use the lfe+main function and run a sub cable to lfe input. Love them a lot
Great video.
I first jumped into GE with 2+’s and loved them so much, went full home theater GE with Triton 1.R’s/reference center, and OMG what an experience.
Thanks Nathan!
They make very exceptional Home Theater speakers! Glad to hear you're enjoying them in this manner.
Hope they support them better than Def Tech has supported my Def Tech towers BP7004 and Def Tech subs I have.
Just bought the Triton Reference and they are fabulous, I love them. Also I have the T1, for the last 4 years amps are still fine, using them everyday also. With the DefTech amps were very unreliable, not the case with GoldenEar 💪🏼
Question...how do they compare to the new Def Tecs Dymension series? I hope I spelled that right
💯 agree on the high level of a system's ability to resolve the tambor of the drums. Take it up to 11 on a system's ability to resolve a Bass guitar too along with the other instruments. Love it with my Sopras No 3's❤️
I got mine for only $ 5000 §;-) - The bass measured to 22 hz in a laboratory not 12 hz - I upgraded from Hegel H90 to H160 and was happy. Then a norwegian who had a room at a HighFi show told me: - HEGEL and NAD plays more correctly, but PrimaLuna is much more musical and engaging. - So I bought the first edition of the EVO 400 i.e.: the 75 watt PrimaLuna DiaLogue Premium HP - Now I can finally say I have a real HighEnd sound. - It has a very Big sound stage with silky smooth sound with much more air and details and . Combined with my GoldenEar Triton Reference it is a combination made in heaven - used also by Sandy Gross in many shows. Feed by QOBUZ and a DAC from: Audio Alchemy DDP 1 and PS 5 Power Supply + Audio Alchemy DMP-1 Streamer (Roon Ready & DSD Streamer) A $30.000 set up bought second hand for $15.000: You you can get into HighEnd heaven for the price of used car §;-)
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You mean you got a pair of brand new ones for 5k? were they atleast ex-demos? was there some reason why they were that cheap or were they just on crazy sale?
@@Niberspace It was second-hand normal price between 6500 - 8000 $. It was kind of funny because the guy only had a room of 10m2 and guys from northern Jutland are very stubborn. Bought my old favorite B&W 802 from the eighties for only $361 normally they cost 2-4 times more from another guy in that are and I could not help ask him why the were that cheap. " They ought not to cost more" was his answer. 802 had a deep magical 3-D soundstage even the TRITONS can not touch, so I had to go back to them 3 times, they really sing with the old AUDIOLAB P + S
@@ping2dk Gotcha, so "2nd hand" changes everything, that's an important peice you should include when mentioning the price, means you can't pay by creditcard, no warranty, no returns policy etc. Still good deal tho
I’ve heard these and love the sound, but the 1R’s sounded very nearly as good to my ears for much less. I wish there were more options without the built in sub (other than the Triton 5), since where these best image is not likely to be best for bass response ( which, btw, doesn’t extend to 12 hz, though it is very good). Additionally, there’s always the risk of amp failure, which was apparently quite common on the Def Tech’s built in subs. I didn’t think the midrange was lacking, but I didn’t have anywhere near the time with them. Since the midrange is where vocals live, a lack here would be a deal breaker for me. There’s no perfect speaker, but this checks a lot of boxes for many people. Excellent long term perspective!
That's a lot of drivers in one enclosure yet it seems that the folks at Golden Ear have been successful with this complex design.
Great review ! Very detail without going too technical for average listener.
I owned the Triton one.5 for several years and really liked them. But I wanted to try a horn speaker and after reading virtually all superlative reviews, bought the Klipsch Cornwall IV. After about 100 hours I could understand what everybody was talking about. Many had criticized previous Klipsch versions as too aggressive. Not this Cornwall; it’s a completely different animal that fills the room with sound. The soundstage is amazing though not necessarily pinpoint accuracy. The bass, which I thought I’d miss after the Tritons is wonderful! Though it goes down to 34 Hz, it truly is very satisfying and I found I didn’t miss the extra bass one bit. In fact, though the Cornwall, does not go that deep, I find it much more satisfying than the Triton. All in all, it’s a superb speaker which, I’d have to say gives me more enjoyment than the Triton. I also love the retro look and the wood veneers are beautiful.
Eric, you are actually depicting what I am trying/would love to do. I don't have enough room, or better I would need to sacrifice something, in order to get a pair of Klipschorn. Also the Cornwalls seem fantastic in any case the direction I want to get soon. Great choice!
Guido- I think the Cornwall would work fine in smaller rooms. Then there’s always the Forte IV which has also gotten great reviews, is smaller but doesn’t go as deep.
There are lots of reviews of the Cornwall on TH-cam but the one I really like is done by Stjernholm Reviews maybe out of Denmark? Obviously, I can’t link it here but you can type it into TH-cam to find. He’s quite funny and really gives you a feeling of why so many love this speaker.
It’s more expensive in Europe, I believe. I run mine with a Rogue Cronus Magnum tube amp but you really don’t need that many watts.
I’m in my seventies so this will obviously be my last speaker but even if I was 30 years younger, I’d probably feel the same way. The strangest thing is this speaker never sounds bad. With my other speakers, I would always have days where the sound was disappointing, the reason I can’t really say- maybe my ears on that day. But with the Cornwalls, everyday is a good day. I don’t know why that is-possibly to do with its efficiency, who knows.
Anyway, I’m so glad I gave this a try. It’s really a fun and satisfying speaker.
About how much are the cornwalls?
Ok dear Guido just finished watching the whole video and ..ok nothing is perfect but since you still do love them and make you happy that what is matters :
My love Dear Guido -- Nick from Greece ..
Keep doing what you do cause you do it very well and i DO LOVE your videos and as you always say music is BORN ANALOG 🙂
👋 THANKS GUIDO ,WE ARE READY TO DIVE IN and ✅ them out 💚💚💚
Thank you as always!
Finally, finally SPEAKERS much appreciated Guido!!!
Was it you who asked in a comment some time ago? If so, you are responsible for this video ;-)
@@anadialog No not me. I congratulated you on your last video regarding SKS cables for taking viewer bisbelief seriously making that video - bravo-! I assume you heard my mind shouting: Why is Guido not reviewing speakers? They have the biggest impact on sound. By the way I'm looking for new speakers myself. Excellent to my ears are ATC and ME Geithain monitors.
I had a pair of ATC SCM35 and loved them
Hi Guido, congratulations! Nice to hear from you pros and cons of products you own. Usually Hi-Fi lovers are convinced to have the best gear out there… ! 😊 Being you fanatic about analog I was a bit surprised about your speakers selection. This is especially after your experience with “the” famous analog brand ATC !
You are right! In fact I will start experimenting soon...stay tuned!
I appreciate your videos. If you've heard speakers with midranges you like more, those might be the ones you would enjoy more. The midrange is what it's all about. For me, the bass is only the icing on the cake. I do need it to be tight and tuneful. I do not need it to be that deep. Speakers with very deep bass; well let's just say that it often adversely affects the mid and upper bass, The absence of real low bass has the audible effect of making the mid and upper bass sound more articulate, without all that booming and banging going on down below. I'm sure I'm missing a few things without the very lowest bass; hall ambient cues probably being the most missed thing. But I like my mid and upper bass to sound crisp, taut and fleet. I find the mid and upper bass to be the far more interesting frequency range than the frequencies below that. My priority is where it belongs.I do need bass that is at least of a useable amplitude down to 35 hz. I've never heard the speaker, so I won't comment on it. Some say there are a lot of overly complex over designed products on the market, and they are usually expensive. Sometimes simpler is better. I can't believe how good built in DACs in cd players can be sometimes. I don't doubt they could be bettered; just amazed how good they can be at such a low cost; and they must have cost very little.
For those who care about little else than themidrange, and as long as their bass isn't a muddle and their treble is good enough to fall smoothly on the ears, I think there are plenty of people who have simple but highly satisfying systems for not that much money.
You don't hear much about the vintage time delay systems which became popular in the 1980s. They delay the signal to the back channel speakers for a fraction of a second to simulate the longer arrival times of sound reflections in a much bigger space. If used correctly they can persuasively sound like you are listening in a much bigger space. Anything from a Jazz club to a cathedral. They don't mess with the front channels. Although the focus of the front channels seem to sometimes suffer a bit. What the delayed signal does for bass reproduction which is wonderful, might be worth that sacrifice.
Don't get me wrong, the mids are great but if I have to indicate what I prefer less (just a bit), that is probably the part I would point at and yes, I agree mids are fundamental. There are amazing horn-loaded speakers or full-range drivers touching only 40/50hz and they sound amazing. We can live without bass but not without middle-range.
Jesus man...lol...these have gone to the top of the list. How do they compare to Perlistens? But this thing goes down to 12 hz...who else even comes close. Thanks for this review.
Great review. I only wish you would have commented on room size requirements. It would be interesting to know how much space is needed to get good performance out of these large speakers.
Well, they work well also for near-field listening and being capable of accepting 750Watts of amplification you can fill easily even a large room. Mine is around 6x5 meters and I think you can double that easily.
I''ve "graduated" to a 7 wpc 300B amp (from 250 wpc ss) with my T-Refs, and I couldn't ask for better sound.
Bravo! That is the way to go even though the sensitivity of the Tritons is a little low for only 7W. I found the best combo with this amp: th-cam.com/video/i2AM0WXKH_o/w-d-xo.htmlsi=sLO2lsQ0FvrtKDfB
@@anadialog Nice. But I gotta have them Western Electric 300Bs. Thought about 211/845 SETs for a nanosecond, but didn't want a 1200v nuclear reactor/space heater in my AZ listening room lol
Nice feedback !
Could you review the all new Qualio Audio IQ Loudspeakers designed by Cube Audio ?
Thank You
When are we going to hear more on this tube amp? I’m shopping for new amplification for my Reference’s and would love to hear your thoughts.
great speakers - i auditioned the Ref Ones over 3 years ago and i found your perspective to be very similar to mine. if the mids was slightly warmer i think this speaker would have been hard to pass.
Great review! Love the speakers. You should check out the Kerr Acoustic line. Especially the new K200 coming out.
Very interesting, only problem is that the full-range is a monitor. I went down that road and I tend to avoid them.
Kerr Acoustics are doing amazing things ...
Did you change the power cables to the speakers, if so did you hear a big difference?
Cheers
I did (I made my own with high quality materials), things got better but not a night and day difference
Hi Guido.
How is the sound stage/perspective when it comes to height? Does the singer sound like standing up or being down on the knees? Do you get an impression of the height of the ceiling on recordings from jazz clubs or concert halls etc? Or do they suffer from the same problem as any other speaker with the tweeter placed between the other units? You mention not having the optimal sound stage/perspective otherwise (though still good), but not a word about the height perspective. Can you drop a few lines about it to satisfy this curious bastard?
The very best wishes from Denmark.
Stay awesome Mate.
The high position of the mid-drives and tweeters helps in delivering a convincing vertical soundstage, almost better than the horizontal one, but as soon as the recording isn't well engineered the speakers reveal that, they're unforgiving unfortunately.
@@anadialog Nice the hear, because it's normally an issue on speakers with tweeters between the other units without exception. Those who's into surround is also familiar with the problem when watching/listening from the sides. Do you have an idea about how they solved the problem on yours? Can they have compensated for it with the DSP?
Not surprised that the Triton bass does not integrate well. No surprise that the mid-range is less convincing especially considering your previous speakers. Obviously the Triton is incredibly impressive though… that’s a whole lot of speaker and technology!!! However as with most highly (overly) engineered designs with a mix of technologies - DSP bass, passive radiators, a multitude of low cost drivers, a ribbon tweeter etc - you aren’t going to get reference quality fidelity that integrates drivers perfectly or remains consistent at very high SPL as well as very low SPL. However this is absolutely incredible value and probably one of the most impressive sounding speakers at that price point. I would also worry about long term reliability - I would be scared to crank these as 12 Hz is ridiculously silly or will be pointlessly distorted without some Italian made 21” woofers with 6 inch voice coils in big boxes - that is just the reality of acoustics and physics!
Hi , really enjoyed this video. As a fellow Golden Ears owner, ( Triton one.R), I would appreciate your opinion on connecting within a fairly large home theatre. I have 2 large powered subs.
Should I set my AVR fronts as , “small “ leaving the Tritons only to see 80 hz and above?
Or should I set to full range ( large) via the speaker level inputs? But potentially causing cancellation of bass with the subs?
Or, run a split cable from LFE channel to Tritons, and speaker wire to them in the small setting?
My goal is to have the Tritons use the capabilities they have with the bass potential and their amp together with my big subs for max impact.
I think right now, using as small front, I’m not even using the built in amp or bass woofers under 80 hz. Seems wasteful?? My AVR essentially driving just the midrange and tweeter?
Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. 😊
How there! Well, these Tritons already have amazing frequency extension. I know this may not be the answer you are looking for but you really don’t need the subs. Ok, IF you want more volume (surely not frequency range) for the bass then the best option without doing nothing is just to tune by the ear and decide but remember that there is going to be a big juxtaposition and the lower register will be smeared. If you really want to use them and get the maximum from your system the only way is to have somebody use a dedicated crossover because of you cut at 80hz I am afraid the subs aren’t going to go around that. If they do then, yes use them as small.
Ok great review. I went from the 2+ to the reference just now they are awesome from the MLP. Question: have you heard the new t66? Are you able to offer an opinion on differences of experience?
I haven’t!
The tweeter is an air motion transformer
It's not an AMT
It's a ribbon tweeter, slightly different.
@@Lasse3s an AMT . Thats what a folded ribbon tweeter is. The only thats different, is what they write. And if its not what are different ?
@@andrejensen7837 well I might be wrong then 😅
Wich caracter of sound would say they are?
Question is for everyone who own Tritons.
Detailed, big and punchy but slightly unnatural due to the active part IMO
Nice review! What size Gaia isolators did you use on your GoldenEar Triton Reference? Mine sit on a concrete floor.
The Gaia II
@@anadialog Thanks- the website had said Gaia I and II will both work but Gais I is better. BUT it plus $400 US for the pair. Thanks again!
Lector audio , digital drive TL 3 CD Transport, I just placed your order need your kind opinion
Excellent choice. I actually was about to get that instead of the Ayon. Outstanding products!
@@anadialog so happy to hear this through you and I feel guaranteed . Thankyou
Why don't you have a photo taken of you sitting in your listening chair so your listeners can get an idea of what your system really looks like with regard to the speakers and amplification? Since you like the reproduction of Bass I'd like to recommend a recording that I sent to Paul McGowan years ago and he immediately did a post on this particular record. Brian Bromberg… "Wood"
Thanks for the suggestion and recommendation. Well, I did two room tours and the problem is that I always have several components that I don't want to unveil before time, but I guess I cover them more or less.
I don't see the link for your impressions on using the Gia Acoustics pedestals. That is one upgrade I've considered but haven't pulled the trigger on. I think it may look goofy with the base the Tritons have, but I would love to know what sonic differences there are.
Sorry about that and thanks for pointing that out. Now it's there, in the video and in the description.
Would these speakers also work well in a home cinema setup?
They would! Very dynamic. In fact, they are conceived to work also with other pairing speakers for a full surround system.
Wow you were a drummer didn't know that ..........ok keep watching the video dear Guido 🙂
No, I wasn't a real drummer. I just took lessons and played for myself. I still have my kit!
@@anadialog You still have it ...nice when i quit drumming somewhere in middle 90s sometime later i sold my kit , it was a SONOR - PERFORMER with PAISTE symbals { Influenced by Nico Mc Brain of Iron Maiden drummer haha }
So YOU are a real drummer!
@@anadialog
I was not now :
Not a pro but an amature in a rock-metal band the name Thunderstorm i have uploaded a video from a live performance back in 1990 i was 22 years old but i quit drumming some years later .
But i still have the drumsticks from 1994? it's a pair of VIC FIRTH for air drumming haha
Love the channel but disagree about sensitivity and tube amps, really doesn’t mean anything. It’s all about the impedance curve and phase angles. These Tritons, based on their measurements, would not be a good match for tubes. I’m not surprised you didn’t like the mid band as it would have been exaggerated from 2k-4k. Bet you didn’t keep it paired with the tube amp, just not a good match. Anyways, check out some articles on the topic. Your channel is the best on TH-cam.
What I mean obviously is that tube amps usually have less power than SS that is why one seeks for low sensitivity and possibly a high impedance, even though tubes are much better at handling funky impedences. The designer of the speakers presented them several times at shows with Primaluna tube amps.
$5,000 what a deal! Do you have a list of your speaker test tracks? Enjoy your channel.
I did a video on my test CDs: th-cam.com/video/18zsudsOvnY/w-d-xo.html
And test LPs: th-cam.com/video/RgvhLD98EVk/w-d-xo.html
Cool, sure looks the business.. or is that beastness.
How did you get these in Italy? Do you have a dealer that sells them at the US msrp instead of a 50% uplift?
I got them used at 50% from a guy nearby...as I said in the video simply unbelievable luck!!
@@anadialog how strangely vague, a guy nearby? so do you mean used speakers? ex-demos?
That turntable next to you . Which is it ?
Kuzma Stabi R with 4point 9 tonearm
Just a clarification, class D is not digital.
I think you got things mixedup. I never said Class D is digital. The digital domain and conversion I was talking about was clearly referred to the DSP.
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The base is made of plastic?! I just looked at their literature a moment ago and could have sworn they said it was made of steel?! If it is plastic . . .my God! They should be ashamed! These now sell for $12,500 a pair in the US! One has a right to not have plastic anywhere on their speakers for that kind of price tag.
The base is made of steel with a plastic cover .
It's steel, covered in lacquered plastic. Btw the base is easily removable so you can install whatever you want if you don't like it 👍🏼 a lot of options in the market
@@MrVanuvanu Thanks for this info, I really don't like the cheap look of that base so it's useful to know that I can remove it
Where is made in from?
USA
Assembled in China, delivered to USA. That is how they could keep this price low. Also our Apple devices are made there 👍🏼 Quality control is top notch anyway.
Oh you mean the entire production? Here is the full story: The company is based in Maryland, the Design and Engineering team is in Ottawa Canada, parts are sourced from over 20 different countries, final assembly is in China, QC/inspection/warehousing is in Kentucky.
@@anadialog yes, entire
@@anadialog Wow, didn't know that. I live in Maryland!
56 bits!? What does that even mean? I would result in ~340db SINAD, which would probably create a black hole, do they pack some alien tech inside!?
no one knows, you're supposed to just swoon by the number itself
Sandy Gross designs are quality sound at affordable (relative to high end) prices. I've owned Definitive Technology ST and ST-L, and have auditioned GoldenEar Triton One and the Reference.
My favorite are the Def Tech ST-L due to their great highs and much more expansive soundstage than the Triton Reference. The biggest downside is that the inbuilt amps that drive the built in subwoofer will go bad for sure. If you listen at 95 dbs or above on daily basis, the amps will only last 3-5 years. That's the case for Deftech and Goldenear. This will be the downfall of all active speakers.
I am sure they will fail sooner or later but not that soon...the speakers are already about 4 years old.
@@anadialog , if they fail GoldenEar will fix them with no charge, even out of warranty. Good customer service support.
@@anadialog I wonder how these compare to the new Def Tec dymension speakers? Maybe you can do a comparison between the two...say yes lol
I own these. Here’s a secret. They don’t hit 12hz haha. Not at all.
They hit 24hz. And then it drops like a rock. 24hz guys. Love GE, but their marketing it’s a total falsity. Just like the 1800w sub haha. It’s a good speaker.
The highs are narrow, I agree.
indeed they keep getting away with lie after lie. Does anyone know the actual wattage?
They do. It’s a shame. I guess people just don’t know, and buy into it. I ended up selling mine and upgrading.
Every company Sandy Gross has been associated with lies about the specs. You notice there is no plus or minus qualifier with the frequency response. 12Hz my butt. I can't stand reviewers who just repeat specs without qualifiers even. All Golden Ear speakers don't resolve bass really well. I don't know what this reviewer is talking about when he mentions transients as these speakers also are only average with regard to transients.
Not a reviewer. Check my channel better. I am presenting my impressions, not a benchmark analysis. That is what people want from my channel and how I enjoy doing it. I present the specs that I find, not my job to refute the data.
LOL
You are making a negative of the speaker "compressed" sources. The spk is only true to the source.
If that was true we would need only one speaker
They should REALLY stop calling it subwoofers. Powered bass is something different. Consider the low output down below. 12hz? At -20db? LOL
Goldenear themselves call it an integrated subwoofer.
A typical error that you should know better: Class D has nothing to do with digital. It refers to converting the linear signal to pulses for a simplified method of (analog) amplification. There is no digital encoding. It's called Class D simply because A, B, and C classes were already defined. The pulses are strictly analog in format. Look it up. Shame on you!
No typical error if not your fast judgment. It's not the Class D to which I was referring to but the DSP.
It has now become common practice in many places to translate “Class D” as “digital”. In terms of technology history, however, it was “D”’s turn as a category after the letters “A”, “B” and “C” had already been assigned to other amplifier classes that came up earlier. Since we also talk about switching amplifiers and the output stage is actually either “on” or “off”, the simplifying analogy to digital technology is obvious: this also works with binary values (0/1 - off/on). However, an essential feature of digital technology - the fixed number of stages in the absence of intermediate values (the word width, e.g. 16 bits) - does not exist in Class D circuits.
It is therefore perfectly permissible to speak colloquially about “digital amplifiers” if everyone understands the same thing by it.
Why some people find it worthwhile to constantly point out their “mistakes” in a rude and know-it-all manner should be clarified with their in-house psychologist.
Not even a single shot of how the actual ones look like.
Not much to see actually. They are two black obelisks. I did do some details at the beginning plus I alredy done a general shot here in all their glory: th-cam.com/video/slu_GgE67BM/w-d-xo.html
😂 Why you only talk about the speakers? I’m sure you could present some music examples? Show us how they play. Only some few seconds of Speakers on the beginning. Covers are hard to remove 🤦🏻♂️ Some photos from website - love your channel but this video is crap
Crap is a strong word, checked out your website exactly two videos?? You need to do much better to put someone down like that!
The grills must not be removed. That is what they recommend. The sound? My videos is filled with the sound of them. In my recebt video on dacs I made an environment capture. Here uou can get a good idea: th-cam.com/video/JKxqXUeFSg0/w-d-xo.html
Here is my first video where I play Muddy Waters in the end: th-cam.com/video/slu_GgE67BM/w-d-xo.html