What's happened to Ferrari?
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- What's happened to Ferrari?
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his criticism started making sense when he showed that main straight line, he is right Ferrari is the elegant and curvy one, Lambo is the aggresive angy boi
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@@aidaaliten8817 wym?
@Diogo omg the comparison is perfect
I'm fed up with these commentators obsessed with line correspondence. Lines can just exist by themselves, they don't always need connections between them
The front looks like if the new brz got angry
I thought it was just me that realized that
Well it's a BR20...
He did showed the BRZ for a split second🤣
@@D_D_L yeah I saw that when I was watching 😂
@@michaelgakanga haha true
I don't think you can blame Ferrari for this. Based on the press kit the client was heavily involved during every step of the design process. That sounds like code that Centro Stile had to bend to the client's every whim and I'm sure said client gave them several million reasons to do so.
Tbh I think this looks like a “proper” Ferrari grand tourer because of the gtc chassis minus the shooting break design
Rule #1 of design is never submit something you wouldn't want your name on.
The car isn't for Ferrari it is a custom one off for a client and in the end the client is always right and he signed off on the design. I think it is stunning looking !
You are right.the client from what I understand was heavily involved in the design and you might say it shows.for good or bad
That explains a lot
"The client is always right" can most definitely be applied to a wedding cake design, not a Ferrari
Its the same as if I asked lamborghini to build a 1 of 1 car for me that has a lack of line flow, two round headlights at each side and also I want it to be a truck. Im the client here don’t discuss with me im always right …
@@Thesketchmonkey agreed.
I would even suggest that they need to bring Pininfarina back. No offence to the in-house design bureau, but sometimes you need to seek outside inspiration.
This is a one off car is the client who determines how it will look like. This does not reflect ferraris current design language.
AKA the client has no taste in cars (pain
“taste” is completely subjective, personally I don’t mind the car
@@D_D_L umm no people have different tastes.
@@8ball576 Then let me ask you a question, does this looks Ferrari enough to you?
There are universal standards on what taste you should have, and how you taste.
The 458 is a mesmerising masterpiece which gets better and better in time. The car is almost 12 years old and looks as if it was produced yesterday.
The 458 was the last truly good looking Ferrari
The front end redo was like you being underwater and then coming up to the surface.that much of a difference in being able to breathe
13:12 I knew it. The first time I saw it I saw Subaru. Even the name “BR20” sounds like Subaru 😂
I think Ferrari did that “one-of”, custom, specifically made for a particular someone, just because that particular someone paid.
So, they made it.
Finally someone got it. It is a one off so they designed it for a customer
@@wainercoppini7623 people seem to not understand that people have different tastes and I like the way it looks
BMW and Ferrari seems to have lost their design identity, a real shame.
One of worst thing that can happen to a brand is loosing its identity
but one still looks good
I feel like the costumer who was making his one off with Ferrari was a first year student/beginner who didn't really had a lot of understanding of a Ferrari design language.
I absolutely understand the logic behind the critique… but after seeing the redesign I’d say it was clear it’s focus was more rear-viewing than progressive/forward viewing… I think the “over designed” elements are no where near Lamborghini like (thankfully), but laying the seeds for future design instead… not all of it, but specifically how they treated the rear intake and the superimposition of shapes in the front fascia… it’s almost as if Ferrari is asking which way to point… I too, prefer the 296/Roma direction, but I also love that rear 3/4 view of this one-off, which is what would be my take away for future designs… lets see… it is all in fun, I wish my problem included having to look at this car in my garage every day, but as I say, let’s see what happens next! …another great video as always!
hay... lambos are not over designed they are just angular shapes. if you look at the aventador, they just have there signature lines and nothing extra, and the svj is way more aggressive but just has aero changes to support the ALA system
6:25 I think the last Pininfarina designed Ferrari was the F12
Nope that's a in house design , but thank God 18 people liked the comment xD
This car resembles the relationship between Ferrari and Lambo, both great brands, but just don’t work together. I definitely like the redesign, that simplicity is such a drastic improvement to the aesthetics
i think the f40 was peak Ferrari its so simple yet so distinctive and beautiful
This guy has a problem with every design . SMH can’t please him ever. He’s just better than all those designers.
That's because there *are* problems with every design. This one in particular is kind of a mess.
I can't say he's better since he's not designing to any production standards, but his points are usually valid.
@@joelness not exactly, I don’t get that “feeling” of “overwhelmingness” when I look at this design. If anything I think this looks like a proper Ferrari grand tourer
Because most of the time he's right. I don't know why but new cars seem to completely miss when it comes to proportions, flow, patterns etc. and it seems like designers are doing too much with sharp angles or random lines. Look up any list of the best looking cars and you would be hard pressed to find any made in the past 10 years
Modern days Ferraris after the 458 (perfection) have been just a downfall in terms of design IMO, only exceptions being the J50 (maybe a little too sharp), the Roma (even though it's too AM-esque) and the 296GTB (a few wrong choices but an overall nice flow).
I quite like the look of the 812...
I really like the front of the 296GTB, but the rear is where it messes up. Pininfarina was no longer as involved after the Ferrari F12, and you can really tell. The F12 was also a good looking car.
Bring back Pininfarina
I miss the old elegant Ferrari, but maybe it isn't attractive to new buyers anymore since every manufacturers just make car aggressive and angrier looking, so they stopped.
Lost is the word .. Some good ideas if taken separately but still already passed for more of them. Put together, my eyes are in pain, even more knowing it's a Ferrari. Front is like a messed up F12. The 550, I'm in love ^^ Cool analysis!
Been watching your videos for a while now, and this is a fantastic breakdown! As just a car enthusiast, I was first impressed when I saw the BR20, but then when I watched your examination, it started to make sense to me where things were contradicting each other and "getting lost".
I love all these videos, you really are a great teacher when it comes to viewing automotive design more objectively, making every one of your viewers a little more knowledgeable! Can't wait for the next one!
Your re-do is simply amazing.
You only extended the front lip spoiler on one side though :p
5:07
Even the cat understood the simple lines and elegance.
The redesign looks so good! Nice man
I felt this when I saw the 812 and searched for this video. When you look at Ferrari's past, you realise that the ferrari designers of today are pretty confused.
That side view looks like a modern Marcos Mantis M70 hahahah
When Ferrari looks at a BRZ and goes "hmm". Gimme 3 months
I actually find the original design very nice and beautiful. I think it's elegant and well proportioned. Yes, it's a bit more graphically active than a lot of other current Ferarris, but it doesn't make this a bad design.
‘A proyect from a first year first semester student’ that was harsh, I was 🤭, the back end isn’t that bad but yeah the front is a mix of Toyota, Audi and Ferrari design languages blended together, and comparing it to Roz from Monsters Inc… You were truly outraged haha
The Criticism on Ferrari RB20 was perfect and very well explained. This was like a car design teacher's lesson.
from this channel i learn more about design of the car the curve, body line, shave of the car and that was important thing to make it seamless and connect every single line and shape
That one off crap is just a F12 with a new bodykit.
The shot of the Subaru was perfect.
I'm still not sure about that square-ish front end though. I wish it could have been tighter, rounder and less blocky
0:59 this is the most accurate part in the whole video
That 296 GTB is beautiful, hadn't seen it before.
Your redesign is just so awesome man
And lastly I think that the claymodellers used an previously used model then added on clay.
You didn’t need to touch the headlights. They were fine. The redesign headlights don’t even match up. Other than that I will say it looks MUCH better.
For one-off it is acceptable to break the rules. It must stay in history. Something like "remember that angry Ferrari of 2021?". Retro styling of 2003 NFS Underground is okay for me. Just for one-off. Just to be special. Like Ferrari FX for Brunei Sultan - that was not made in Ferrari design language but rested special and unique.
Put an Aston Martin badge on it and I think it would go quite well, because it kind of reminds me of that from their Zagato cars of the past
And really the Roma is super beautiful from the back and side profiles until you rotate it to the front, and my god the front of the Roma is SUPER ATROCIOUS to put it lightly! The shape and spacing of those headlights along with that awful looking grill are just frustratingly terrible. The car is really amazing until you view the front graphics and they just kill the desire to chase a Roma.
On the defence of Ferrari the BR20 is a special project so it was designed to liking of that particular client, I agree that it doesn’t look elegant or graceful but still looks good.
If Subaru and Ferrari together made a BRZ...
My guess is it was designed "by committee." That's the surest way to foul things up.
I honestly like the design of the BR20 and the redesign is also really cool as well. I've come to notice that when Ferrari does one off cars, the design is based on the customer's vision of what they want the car to look like and over the years a lot of these one offs have a rather aggressive design like the Ferrari P80/C. Yes I know that car is meant to be a track machine as it's not road legal, but take the AM Victor for example as it is a street legal/track monster, yet in my opinion I wouldn't immediately identify it as an AM. It has AM design cues but it doesn't have the typical AM design. My point is that more often than not, one off Ferraris are not always going to have a beautiful design since the customer contributes to the design in some way regardless of what the brand's design language consists of.
Hahaha the comparison got my dieing 🤣🤣🤣 this whole car is just 🤣
Sketch Monkey: Lets redesign the BR20
what he meant: lets make a new version of the 550 maranello
I couldn't agree more, the words you've used to describe Ferrari have been absent for years and I've not aspired to own any of their vehicles for decades. Call Ferrari what you will, but you won't call them timeless, elegant, graceful.
IMO the last vehicle that could have been called these things was the 456, and since then they've been trying too hard to shout 'look at me' or like they popped out of a jelly mould.
It looks like if Mansory got a hold of a GTC4Lusso
Crazy how every time they remake the California it gets uglier.
Please have a look at restyling the new Acura Integra.
It doesn't look anything like it's lineage
I totally agree with you, just being an outside admirer of Italian Exoticas! Reading carefully through different comments down below, I am disappointed. Ferrari, being the brand and firm they are should not have bow at all to temptations!
I curious about your opinion regarding the new SP3. I have mixed feeling about it. But love the rear view!
Ferrari Portofino M is the most beautiful model of the last years. Ferrari fail with the design of last models. Lamborghini are smart, few models and good looking cars.
You are correct. Even premium brands are now giving us less quality per dollar. Across sectors they are planning even more obsoletion
If you don't understand the aerodynamics of a car, don't touch it or call it "bad".......
Functionality always goes over look and this counts more and more the more time passes
It looks more like a fan render than a actual Ferrari, what a confused design
Way big improvement. It would be nice to see the black eye liner in the headlights converted to DRL 3D light piping.
What happened to Ferrari is they took over the design from Pininfarina .
Your nostalgia got in the way. That’s what happened
Made it soo much better wow great work
The redesign looks like a more beautiful Ferrari FF
Me: wow, this car looks pretty good
Sketch Monkey: this is a bad design
Me: yeah, is ugly AF
I think there were just attempting to make a longer berlinetta
Beautiful Ferraris = Pininfarina's design. No Pininfarina = Ferrari sucks.
I actually really like the side profile of the BR20, the front not so much. If the read in the side profile didn't have that every busy bumper it would genuinely resemble a speedtail and I love that.
I think the designer didn't use the KISS formula.
Dude, love your opinions on every vehicle you assess. Well done!
Maybe the v12 is what is making the wheelbase so long. Either way their front engine cars look too much like C7 Corvettes
It's always funny to me when people bring up how beautiful the 458 is. They talk about the rear and the side but nobody mentions the horrible looking front with the derpy face. To me the 488 was what the 458 always should have been.
If you think the 458 is hideous you have mental issues
i have to agree with you to a certain extent. the 458 italia face is alright, i dont like how round the bumper is but at the same time i dont like how boring the 488 front is. i will say while i prefer the headlights of the 488, the 458 speciale leads in design.
Naw the 488 looks like someone was just copying the 458s homework ... Similar but worse , the nose on the 488 is awkward and they got rid of the cool vent next to the headlights...added that big ugly intake on the hips
@@VaunShiz Worse? It's much better, it doesn't have this awkward mouth, weird cross eyed look and just not good looking bumper design
@@VaunShiz Agreed
his redesign is so much better
wow... we can sense your anger... actual anger...
Recent Ferrari look more like stretched Lexus or any everyday car with oversized and overly complicated grills and vents.
I think Ferrari is calling you next to design their car.
What’s happened to Ferrari is, they decided to end their design, partnership with Pininfarina, back in 2017. Ferrari hasn’t come out with a cohesively, designed vehicle since then.
Yeah, doesn't seem like a ferrari, i agree with everything you said. I like the redesign of the front, should've redesigned the side & rear as well.
Honestly don't like the design either but... Going back to the 458 for the athousand time feels like a lot, even Pininfarina made questionable one offs in the 60s and 70s yet no one is bashing them for it. The Ferrari Omologata is a beautiful one off, it's not that Ferrari doesn't know how to design anymore, this design compared to the Omologata goes to show that different clients have DIFFERENT TASTES.
You can't ask a client to change his idea just cause it doesn't look like the Roma or the 458.
Even Lambo has made some Terrible One-Offs in the past few years yet I don't see anyone complaining.
That front end is so much better after your redesign👌
Yeah
From the side view, the front (headlights) looks like AMG One.
You fix it very well - so now you have to get it to the production Draghistan. :D
This redesign is good. Original front end looks like some cheap Peugeot. Cheap in the sense of cheap that is implemented usually in cars trying to look like they are more expensive than their actual price bracket.
Does anyone know how can I find the video with the freehand sketches from 12:27?
It looks horrendous
Agree 100% on front end details make it look like Roz from Monsters Inc. Cannot be unseen now lol. But yes bigger problem is the proportions. It doesn't allow the hip curves space to follow. Almost like a person who may be 6' tall but whos legs are very short but have a very long torso. Instead bringing the rear wheel arch forward a bit and starting the hips/tail earlier will give it a more compact torso look that gives it a more elegant look.
The Hyundai Sonata team got a hold of this Ferrari nose
This one and F12 looks like Bart and Hugo! 😁 Roma lines couldn't be more exquisite..sooo beautiful..but the front grill looks a 5yo child design. Great video! Keep on 👍
15:15 your design looks better haha
What happened to Ferrari was the decline of Pininfarina which was eventually sold to the Chinese and the abandonment of good taste.
The Roma may look good but it was originally conceived as a Maserati (and it shows in quite few places), not a Ferrari.
I have to respectfully disagree, I like it more than the Roma. However I do agree that they could town down all the styling elements, those are a bit too busy, and the redesign is a solid attempt at that. I feel like they’ve had a great design but should have iterated it a few more times before saying yeah that’s it
So, Ferrari design a BMW 2 series coupe? 😅
Excellent video
For me BR20 looks more like a Ferrari than the Roma to be honest. The Roma looks like something from a completely different brand - just a cheap looking sports car design like that from a GTA, looks like a copy of Aston Martin DB11(which btw is far off classic Aston Martin elegance either). However you are totally right, they are lost at their design language as for now.
Thats Lisbon on the background, I thought it was an F12 Berlinetta when I saw it but I was so wrong woooww
You didn't just made it beautiful but very gorgeous, Now am going to wait for you to redesign the rear end
What happened to Ferrari?...they stopped using Pininfarina. The F12 was the last car designed by them and ferrari has failed on nearly every design since (except the Roma, that one is gorgeous 😍). Also, the 458 will forever remain one of those most beautiful mid engine Ferraris ever made!
I would've stopped at 13:39
can you do a video on the Alfa Romeo 8C Competitzione? arguably one of the most beautiful cars ever made (maybe on your 2nd channel?)
Why does the BR20's front remind me of a 2022 BRZ?
Your front/side view of the Roma would look great on a T-shirt!
Ferrari's designs are supposed to be almost paradoxical in nature. Their design is so simple and clean that you don't think about the design, but the fact that you don't have to think about the design is what make's you think about and appreciate the design, are you still following lol. It's like a well done German interior like that of an old 911, Timeless and forgettable, but for that very reason, incredibly memorable. Some of the modern designs Ferrari has put out have missed than mark imo.
This is not a design this is what we call an architecture