The Reason That Goku Is The Most Developed Character In Anime
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Goku is a simple person, but I don't think he's simple as a character if that makes sense?
That makes sense
i 100% agree
What part of him isn't simple
@@TSO_SageGoku in Super is simple. Especially since Super is supposed to be the more accurate depiction of Goku(in terms of anime)
Goku is simple as a character in Dragon Ball Super. Problem is, DB Super tries to say that Goku's character was always simple. Almost as if Super is trying to "correct" Dragon Ball Z's Goku
Goku telling Broly "You can call me Kakarot" made me tear up a little bit, perfect cap on accepting his Sayain Heritage truly & wholly...
I don't mind people calling Goku simplistic, or complex. I feel like his goals are easy to understand, but to some, they know there is more. Adds to his character.
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It’s crazy Bec even w this way of thinking he’s still a complex character 😭
Now that I think of it..😂@@tutswayee
In Super, Goku's character is simple. You have an argument for Z. In Super, Goku is simple
The fact that 80% of his friends and his team in TOP were all prior antagonists at a point speaks volumes
Bro always does that since the beginning what are we talking about
It’s crazy how as I get older my respect for goku just grows and grows, especially with toriyamas death and me finally reading OG dragonball
Honestly idk why the “Goku is simple” take is so popular, they basically spell it out in the saiyan/frieza saga the character arc of his slowly accepting who he was as a saiyan. He purposely doesn’t have an obvious character arc in the Cell Saga because of Gohan and even than he grows as a character figuring out that Gohan is not about that fighting life, and the Buu saga also fixes a huge Goku character flaw AFTER the cell saga of his obsession with “the next generation”
Goku always knew who he was and always been true to himself since the 1st episode
if you're talking about super than yes goku is simple because the writers don't know how to make a good character narrative for them to lean on all they can count on is the nostalgia in the manga and even in the anime. going back to goku his expertise and martial arts genius is not even emphasized, we don't even see his thoughts about the given situation.
Why it's so popular? Because a lot of people only watched Super and Super destroyed Goku character, destroyed Vegeta character too.
In Super, Goku is simple. In Z you have an argument
@@darkman452 he seems simple in super because for the first time in his life since raditz he gets to rest
Oh y’all ANGRY down here, ain’t even at me mostly 😂💯 but all ima say is watch the vid before commenting
Nobody understands Son Goku😔🔥🔥
Vegeta being naked shows his freedom from frezia
Honestly seeing you're reactions to OG DBZ dub makes me glad I watched Dragon Ball Z in sub, everything is delivered as it was intended.
Baby Vegeta reference in DBS
@@TJBlack3.5🤯
Do y'all see Goku as Chaotic or Neutral good?
To me, I think he's definitely a Chaotic good character purely because of how he's portrayed in both the manga and Kai.
Would definitely say Goku is a chaotic good character. He has good intentions, but his decisions are questionable in achieving them.
video on this coming soon 👀
Imo he's closer to true neutral or chaotic neutral
@kindlingking you're actually right, Goku is more of a chaotic neutral because sometimes he's willing to put the earth in danger in order to fight someone strong for his own selfish reasons, while also being the one to save the earth every now and then.
Simple and subtle but good character arc.👍 I should've known with how much ODA praised Akira Tomiyama, Knew I was missing something.
Goku we watch grow from a boy to a man, not knowing what he wanted till the end of Z through the journey of not only getting stronger, but figuring out what he is.
Character development of Goku is a Journey of Perfection!!!
If someone talks shit on my man Goku I'm there to defend him whether its his character or his power. But I never like to start arguments.
Nigga I'm literally like you😂
That last point you gave… Goosebumps.. this the yt I love
The problem is a lot of people base goku as a character off of either super or Z, the entirety of Z and super are snapshots of goku’s life for that particular time. If you were to compare start of Dragonball goku to end of super goku there’s literal decades of character development. We’re talking about watching a little kid turn into a man, then into a husband, then into a father, into a protector of earth, into a protector of the universe who can rival beings with the power of literal gods.
His change in age has nothing to do with character development. Literally the only thing that changed about him is that he grew too old for a "pure hearted jungle kid outside his world" approach, so it got replaced with Goku obsessing over fighting strong opponents.
Toriyama himself calls Goku simple. And he is speaking relatively compared to his cast
@@ling8956 just to clarify, are you saying simple characters or characters with simple motivations don’t have development?
@@chronictoasty-_-1969 yes. He has been saying this shit everywhere. It is annoying
Honestly goku being a flat character is why DB excels over other animes. Sure other protags are more dynamic but they are annoying as hell and melodramatic
LETS TALK ABOUT IT
The fact that people can't even understand goku development shows how complex he is. Him being a flat character while being a great one is not easy. Goku is someone who doesn't need to change, granted, why he is still the MC. Him being the way he is influenced by other characters, and it is shown that time after time, even frieza granted Hates goku, he does have a mutual respect for him.
1:20 i still remember my first time watching dbz. Its like 2005 and im 6 years old. I had been watching cartoon network and unironically it was the same day episode 1 of naruto dropped but either way i remember just seeing a guy in orange beat tf out of this giant bald guy (nappa) and was instantly hooked. Like a month later i found the entirety of dragonball online and binged all 153 episodes within maybe a month.
Dang that "Nobody Understands Goku" video was well over a year ago.
What ppl don’t mention to often, is how vegeta felt the same way after the fight, although he hated goku you could tell how much more respect he had for him on Namak versus when he first met on earth
4:40 you're spitting full facts here, damn
Damn, I love this video. Appreciate the series even more now. I've never really watch the complete sagas but have always been interested in Dragon Ball. Now I understand on a whole other level what Sage means and gets annoyed by when saying people don't watch the series but are extremely opinionated about it😂
Before I watch this video, I’m just gonna comment that so many people think a “flat character arc” means they don’t develop. Goku develops soooo much in this series but that doesn’t change who he is at his core. He’s always been true to who he is but he needs to learn how to be himself in the world he was sheltered from for so long.
Goku is a simple character, and that what makes him awesome.
We need another "No one understands" vodeo man for the culture
Almost to 80k!! Love hearing you talk about Basketball but the Anime wave has been so fun
12:13 sage with the facts dawg im so glad u feel that way dawggg Holy
people who think dragon ball z has no story never watched dragon ball think about it this way things like the goku piccolo team up him sparing vegeta and trying to give frieza a second chance the reason he was able to master super saiyan before vegeta all these things don’t make sense unless u watch dragon ball
Can't wait for the Vegeta fans to come crawling in
Goku will always be the GOAT 🙏
GOAT of worst anime protagonist ever
@@tjrose9830if u are going to disrespect an anime u don’t like just stfu
@@tjrose9830 cope lmao
@@tjrose9830 Only one GOAT and its Goku, keep coping bozo.
@@buggerboogus it’s not cope its just being honest
Bruce Faulconer had awesome themes, but when they are playing random music like you were saying, it's because he was told that the music had to be playing NONSTOP. I know that's weird, right?
They thought Western audiences had shorter attention span so they felt that the music would keep them engaged. in the Japanese version the music is not non-stop.
@cjmack8153 Some scenes are more serious when there is no music playing, like Naruto when they are throwing hands
Man after reading the super manga the last 8 years . There needs be a discussion with the regression and progression through out the manga in every other arc with goku’s character. Solely based on how they how written him
Goku may have a flat personality, but he has multiple of developments, my personal favorite is fatherhood. From doing things for his friends, to having a kid, sacrificing for said kid, to acknowledging after coming back to the sacrifice that he won’t always be around and letting the future developing itself. Say what you want about gt, but he stalled fusing with vegeta to allow his kids have a chance to beat shenron. Vegeta also had dope development into gt.
The guy video is great W editing and the RIGHT opinion
The title is definitely hyperbole, but a rings true nonetheless.
I know Goku does have some complexity, more so kid Goku. But saying he's the most developed in anime is extremely wild when theres plenty that blow Goku out of the water in those standards.
He literally is.
17:18 that was his best version that alot of look up to
Sage ngl I use to hate you on the pod but I only realize now it’s just because you aren’t really a basketball guy and your voice gets annoying but I love your anime content and how much in depth u go. This is just something I wasn’t seeing you do with basketball but I’m here for it love you man !❤
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@@TSO_Sage lmao don’t take it like that , it’s all love 😂 you just didn’t give it to us like you wanted to be on the pod, so in turn your takes felt like they were falling flat or you were just trying to be more likable to the pod. Some takes Domo had are blasphemy and you agreed with him or Bsolz but they were favorites on the pod. I won’t assume that you were trying to do anything to keep up, your journey is lighting up man , keep up the pressure man I see you . Black excellence brother🔥💯
That title is wild.
Goku by all sense of the word was a dynamic character but also a flat character. Oh yeah I’m bringing in that high school literature knowledge back.
He changed as the story of dragon ball went on. From a boy who lived in the mountains to a thrill seeker for adventure and as time went on he started encountering foes along the way. Which would fuel his desire for fighting leading to the world’s martial arts tournament. Getting humbled by master Roshi in the end who taught him there would always be a stronger person than him. Which this lesson taught to him would be beneficial to the threats he would face in the future. His personality doesn’t change much. He was always the light hearted, goofy, and thrill finder we know of today. I won’t go much over dragon ball since goku’s growth will always be a thing he’ll experience as time passes.
Onto Z now we see Goku as an adult. His encounter and fight with Raditz shows his growth. Although it seems that his personality has changed somewhat due to age. Departing from his younger self’s innocence knowing that taking one’s life should not be the only answer and others can change in time. Although for Raditz, goku could not take the chance with how little support he had. This fundamental change in goku’s personality can arguably make Goku into a round character but I think not as in the future this part of him is died down a bit in Super. We can gloss over a couple things like Vegeta being spared, Goku showing some mercy against the ginyu force, Goku trying to show mercy to Frieza, and his training under the people of Yardrat.
Now for the cell saga this is where we get into some real development. Goku and Gohan bond in the time chamber and Gohan shows off power Goku has never seen before. Goku after seeing this leaves the time chamber earlier and ready up against the battle between cell and him. He goes in the fight trying to guage the power of cell and then stops halfway through. Giving the chance to Gohan who’s now surpassed him. Although Gohan gets beaten up badly Goku still sees that spark in Gohan to go even further beyond. When he see Gohan can’t he tries to intervene but is stopped by the jr’s. Then Gohan unlocks super saiyan 2. Just skip half of that fight and now Cell is about to blow up and Gohan can’t decide what to do. So Goku intervenes now teleporting to Cell who’s about to explode saying his final goodbyes and then dies after teleporting away. After cell is defeated by Gohan who was encouraged by Goku, he sends his final message to the z fighters and his son passing off the torch to protect the world while he’s gone.
Onto the buu arc. Fastfoward to Goku seeing Gohan failed in protecting the world and realizes Gohan isn’t up for it yet. Taking back the mantle of the sole protector of earth Goku fights against fat buu but still sees Gotenks as the future of protector of earth. Giving gotenks the chance to fight super buu but he fails. Then Ultimate Gohan gets some hits in and also fails. So Goku has to step in again and calls upon Vegeta for some help to go against Buuhan. Fused together to become Vegito and skip that whole fight where we get Goku saving fat buu who was absorbed. Goku sees the good in fat buu when others cannot. This shows his growth in character till now seeing even the supposed “greatest evil” in the universe as someone who can do good. Whole fight with kid buu later and now we got a Goku alive and ready to face against the threats to the universe and earth in the future.
Battle of gods happeneds and nothing much. Beerus ain’t some big bad he’s just some guy looking for a rival who can beat him. Which Goku can relate to.
Resurrection F and this arc shows that Goku has let his guard down for once. Due to the many years of peace and a strong opponent who wasn’t evil appearing he really hasn’t had any reason to be on alert.
Then we got the other arcs and those are self explanatory. I’ve written enough for you guys to understand really.
Holy shit I didn’t even start the video yet and wrote this shit off the top of my head.
I basically said almost the same things this guy said but shortened 😂 (I’m 12 mins in rn)
Sorry for any of the spelling mistakes btw
I aint reading all that.
I'm sorry, but what the hell? Is this a late April Fools joke I'm not getting or do people actually believe Goku is some kind of well developed or even profound character? Not only is this not the case in the slightest, but it's actually insulting to all authors who put in time and effort to actually develop their characters. Toriyama isn't...well, wasn't one of those. He wrote comedy and was pretty good a it, especially considering he was coming up with this stuff on the fly.
Kid Goku is a flat character. Any development he gets from his martial arts training or experience with other characters is superficial. He's goofy and adventurous, but can get serious when his friends are in danger. He's a kid, but don't be fooled! He's incredibly strong! And he has no clue what social norms are because he grew up in the mountains. That's his character in a nutshell.
As Toriyama ages Goku up he stats to pull back on "innocent clueless kid" aspects of his character and firstly replaces it with saiyan lore (coming in terms with heritage and all), but it's not particularly explored. Remember Grampa Gohan, Goku's foster father killed by a big monster? Goku never learns he was the big monster untill Vegeta fight and even then he never dwells on it. In fact this incredibly important part of his character gets completely glossed over and forgotten should tell you everything about how profound Goku's character is.
He also doesn't spare Piccolo and Vegeta out of mercy, but rather to have a strong opponent he can later fight, so this merciful Goku thing has no roots. Goku was always merciless to his foes but also incredibly selfish, which is alright for a kid, but not so much for an adult with two kids. Yet this is the trait Toriyama decided to latch on post Saiyan Arc. Goku wants to fight strong opponents and he doesn't care about consequences. Remind me, why didn't Goku and the others stop Dr. Gero before he even built his androids? Did they have a valid reason or was it just "want go fight strong guy now!"? If Goku was actually against this idea, that would've showed his development, because he just learned (with Frieza) some people are just evil and have to be dealt with before they can cause too much harm.
Oh and don't get me started on Gohan. They spent what was that? A year? Together inside time chamber, Goku even stopped training at one point, yet not even once did he tell Gohan about his plan. And what kind of plan it is to prepare for a battle with a genocidal bugman only to forfeit at the last moment and put his kid to fight instead out of nowhere. And give a damn bugman a full heal on top of that! I don't give a crap about "Gohan's hidden potential" or "only Gohan could've beaten Cell!". No. Gohan might've been the strongest by the end of the arc, but by the beginning of the next one EVERYONE is either reached or surpassed that level with Goku himself getting not only SSJ2 but also SSJ3. And considering Goku failed to pass the torch and had to return anyway, what was the point of putting a little kid (he's 4 during saiyan arc) though all of that? For what?
And then there's super...oh my kami. They realised something wasn't working and brought the "clueless kid" shtick back... despite Goku being a grandfather. Yet fans will still argue how Goku was actually preparing everyone for future arcs in advance and every of his idiotic decisions was brilliant because it worked out (because plot bailed him out).
@@kindlingkingI get where you're coming from on a lot of this but I take issue with the Cell part. Yes, Goku just thinking his son is like him and would want this big fight and thus not understanding him is a flaw. One that is drilled into him immediately afterwards. One that he lays out his life for without the plan of coming back. And yes everyone surpassed the level Gohan was at in the Cell games in Buu but that's over the course of 7 years. In Cell, Goku and Gohan had a year while the rest of them had a week. At that time, no one except for Gohan could beat Cell.
I also don't understand why trying to find deeper meaning in Dragon Ball is "insulting" to other authors. I'd get it if people were actively denouncing other anime in favour of DB but we're judging DB by itself here. Just because people see a lot more meaning to Goku than others doesn't mean they're spitting in the face of other characters or stories. Honestly it's more likely we'll try to find more depth in them too if we can do it for Goku.
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The reason they made Goku dumber in Super is because Toriyama wanted to keep Goku as a "simpler character" which just proves that he hasn't really given a crap about his series that he wanted to finish decades ago but continued it either because of TOEI or some other circumstances
Goku learned that sometimes he's gotta kill somebody to stop them from killing innocents as early as the Red Ribbon arc, however after Tien, and Piccolo, and Vegeta, and hell even fucking Oolong the idea that a bad guy can't turn it around is at most the exception to the rule
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22:55 😭😭😭😭
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My only explanation for how dumb goku gets in super is that he's suffering from CTE. It finally caught up to him by super .
No one understands son goku was a really great video and it's the reason i started to watch your videos.
A mistake a lot of people make is thinking flat characters never develop or never evolve. In reality, they can and do, but the core of the point of the character is a pillar or rock that stays consistent at the core of the physolodphy and foundation the character.
Goku is a flat character, but that isn't the same as saying he has 0 development. It's just that his development isn't the core function of his character.
Goku's evolution is deep and narratively profound rather than being his character is about how he becomes a fundementally different person at the center of his function as a character.
They do in fact never develop nor evolve in traditional sense, that's why their arc is called flat. How exactly did Goku change over any arc really, especially for his evolution to be deep and narratively profound?
@@kindlingkingEven Toriyama himself considered Goku simple. And Dragon Ball Super tries hard to "correct" Z's depiction of Goku
@@ling8956 you're deluding yourself by thinking it is a correction. It is an endpoint. What makes a character complex when he gets the chance to be laid back and casual. Goku shows he still has the struggles he couldn't change. If we want Goku to get to an endpoint since The black Frieza arc is already the end of Z then we need Goku to have an easy and simple end to his character. Not an overly complex ending with a big bang. People just misunderstood Goku from Z to Super.
@@ling8956 I think it's less Z's depiction (where he's rather bland), but rather popular perception of the character. But yeah, the results are...not stellar.
@@kindlingkingHe's definitely a stellar character. That doesn't say anything otherwise
21:47 he learned that from 8ter( the cyborg) in muscle castle
A lot of people think being flat or being simplistic is bad cus they come off the high of the “intellectual” anime like code geass or death note when In reality simplicity can work in ways complexity cant
Goku seeing vegeta baked in that namek seen is something related to japanese cultural viewif purity or pure/natural form of someone, like stripped down to true self something like that. Sure you'll find video about that philosophy.
Just because he is simple it doesn't make him a bad character. He is not my favorite but I do like him. It would have been perfect if he had the same attitude for enemies as the prince but they are not the same for a reason.
Only thing imma say is that there isnt always a ton of room for despair in Dragon Ball a lot of the time cuz of the dragon balls. Losses that shouldve been permanent and could have "changed" Goku significantly simply dont happen until we get to the tournament of power where it wasnt certain anything would/could be done for those who got eliminated
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I think Super Goku and GT Goku put beside each other really shows the faults with Super on this front. By the end of Z, Goku character was "completed" or at least the next step for him was 'carefree acceptance', and GT Goku embodies pretty much perfectly. Say what you want about GT, but the characters are in continuity with Z.
I think they tried to write Goku as "Carefree" and "Accepting fate" but they failed, he's just stupid. He was never careless and stupid.
When I was a kid I never understood why I liked goku so much, even as I grew up I never could understand why, I then realized I was looking at him like a simple guy who punched people really hard,I then watched dragon ball and then rewatched DBZ and then I realized this guy has so much going on in him, I’m not finna go into detail rn Bec my hands hurt Ngl but all I’m saying is maybe look at goku a lil differently 🤷🏿♂️
28:15 bro was sad he couldn't. Box him any more not that he killed him
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Sage, I’m from a different audience than before however that doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate and love your old videos.
Piccolo is the most developed character in anime. He goes from villain, to teacher, to gohans step dad, to last being the godfather who for some reason baby sits pan as if chi chi and goku are not home. Also he is the strongest black character in anime history.
No goku care but he loves strong fighters and he like to redeem people and he doesn’t like bullying
IDK if goku is extra complex or is it the DB universe that's complex and goku is the primary way in which it's observed..
I think its because goku was always gifted beyond average, and he always had immense strength. I also feel its because the nature of not knowing his origin until dragon ball z. His saiyan heritage was introduced in such a spoonfed way and he just sort of acceppted it. He didnt reflect on the truth while he ran snake way. Hes just carefree.
In my opinion, I think from Dragon Ball to Z, not including Super or GT. Goku has pretty good character development. Learning to accept his identity and responsibility.
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Goku being the most developed character in ANIME is crazy🤣🤣🤣, he defo developed but the most in ANIME I feel like DB fans (not including me ofc) look at anime at just think of shounen not really thinking about what the word anime actually means and includes, maybe you can argue he’s the most developed in shounen but he sure as hell ain’t the most developed in anime
we got him boys🌚
No way Goku is even in top 100000 of most developed characters in shonen
@@kindlingking sad
@@TSO_Sage why? He's perfectly fine as a flat protagonist.
@@kindlingking Ha? What other Shounen protagonists? Luffy who is Goku's son atp, Naruto? Ichigo? Yuji 😂
Goku gaps all
Goku's "heroics" goes like this, he will defend his home and family/friends from threats, if he's passing by the weak getting oppressed by the strong then he will step in and the bad guys go to jail, but he doesn't go out of his way to fight small crime and if he was the hero archetype then he would be traveling space to keep the peace, not spending all of his time training to get stronger and fighting powerful opponents, remember Goku is not Superman, he can also be very selfish and that doesn't fit into the hero archetype it's just the passive result of his actions that makes him a hero
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I always liked goku, but definitely appreciate him more now. But the video also kind of makes me feel a little indifferent about one of my favorite goku moments in Super. The moment he learns black killed alternate timeline chichi and goten and rages and afterwards looks down on a defeated black, contemplating whether he should kill him and, in the end, giving into rage and going for the kill(only to then have his arm caught by black). I've always been like "look at how mad me was! He didn't even want to kill frieza in the end, really, but he did want to kill Black!" It was like what made the moment cool was it was kind of out of character. But now, after really looking back at the frieza moment, the moment with Black does kind of sort of feel like character regression in a way.
Nah, Like TSO said, goku eventually learns that sometimes people have to die, whether it’s cell, Buu, or any of Bobbodys minions minions goku still kills people or attempts to kill people after beating frieza. It’s one of those things where Black and Zamasu were literal scum who wiped out an entire timeline worth of mortal life, there was 0 redeeming them
Hard disagree, thats actually in character for goku. After frieza he realized that some people will have to die whether he likes it or not. Black killed his family even if that version of his family was from a different timeline, goku gave into his rage with the intent to kill Black. To back this up during the T.O.P in the anime, goku essentially says he is not a hero of justice or anything of that sort, but anyone who hurts his family, friends, or planet, they were going to pay. So that moment was a very in character moment for Goku.
Bro u gotta show us the Takes cuz i honesty believe they talking bout super goku not Z goku people didn't start calling him stupid until super
I know non of yall care but ima get the og db and dbz viz bigs
literally from goku being so revengeful in og DB that he kills actual ppl and enemies ALL OF THE TIME to go to dbz where he only kills one character in all of dbz in the buu saga like bruh he kills that monster that absorbs energy and THATS IT, also being know in dbz for being merciful to the point that he gives frieza a second chance even after killing his best friend and basically all of namek like bruh dude had some major development, in og DB he literally murders the whole red ribbon army bruh but also a lot of dragon ball fans never watched og DB so they have no clue
Do a Gogeta vs Vegeto video. Bc we need a voice like yours to finally end the argument and prove Gogeta is the superior fusion (also pin this)
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Vegito is better and is more OG
@Mr.Chubbbbbb vegito should be canonically stronger but he plays around too much
Character wise, yea.
Power wise, no
And this is coming from a Gogeta fan
Fusion Ranking
1. Z Vegito
2. Gogeta Blue
3. Z Gogeta
4. Vegito Blue
5. GT Gogeta
6. Gotenks
7. Fused Zamasu
8. Kefla
Ally to good nightmare to you is better. Because it’s cool.
10:51 guess he totally 4got about muscle tower 8ter taught him restraint and not to kill an already defeated opponent
Ngl upon seeing my lakers get swept by the nuggets i feel like that clippers vid is an L take💀
I kind lowkey disagree with the whole goku not being righteous or whatever coz uhm Android 8 showed him what mercy looked like lowkey that's where his mercy stems from, I love funimation Dub Goku and I don't think it ruined anything coz they still have lines like "Goku you're enjoying this" "Yeah I am" the hero aspect adds to it
I don’t feel Goku is a flat character but for the backend of Z he is a bit static but that works for him bc hes characterized well.
Another example Someone like Toph from Atla also is very similar but she has a specific personality that is consistently utilized in every scene she’s in much like Goku.
The backend of Z goku learns the true path to power is the strength in others
@@CaleebDWD I agree and it’s personified with him getting one of his few actual kills in the series With the move that’s basically the strength of others. I personally am 50/50 on that however as I would’ve just preferred the cast to fight buu together instead of the sprit bomb but to each his own.
@@Yiddish294 Spirit bomb is much more respective to Dragonball. Everyone fighting him is such an ass idea
Anyone else think 100k tso should read super to see if he likes it more than the anime
Helll no which super never existed
I disagree with this, tbh. While he does have good development that people sleep on, I can think of many other characters that outshine him in development.
Natsuki Subaru (Re:Zero)
Guts (Berserk)
Thorfinn (Vinland Saga)
Ainz (tOverlord:The light novels, the anime kinda cuts a chunk of his development out in Overlord.)
Thats just a few I can name off the top of my head I feel have better development, just my opinion though.
32:10 now ur saying people saying he doesnt have any when the title of the video clearly says goku has the best development ever
Bro the 🐐 for this vid, Goku has better development than Vegeta.
One of Vegeta’s peaks was when he finally accepted that Goku is the strongest, only to go back and forth with Goku in Super, he seems so humble in the End Of Z, and he doesn’t seem to show any kind of that character in Superhero.
Goku had an entire character arc from the beginning of Dragon Ball to the End Of Z where he accepts his Saiyan roots after being told he, the purest soul in all of Dragon Ball, is part of a genocidal race so terrible, they’re worse than all the villains Goku has defeated.
Sure, Vegeta’s development is iconic, but Goku’s development has been under looked for years that it deserves the praise it gets.
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When Dragon Ball GT, which is not written by Toriyama at all (though I believe he did some character design), does Goku better after he turned into a child then Super?
Honestly sad...
I agree he was written better in z and gt but super decided to keep his adult body but give home a child’s mind
15:00 bro held him knowing he was going to get killed so yea u can say goku killed radditz 2
Goku might be thrown off because how long he was dead
Idk abt that tbh. He has developed but most developed ever? Hell no.
Exactly the most ever is where the cap starts
PowerScaling fans licking there lips
Nobody ask how is Goku because not even emotions can be Goku💪💪💪
12:21 Actually 🤓, (in reality, I’m not entirely sure on this but I think one of the writers said it.) Goku’s personality in Dragon Ball Super is what it was supposed to be in Dragon Ball Z.
erm, actually Akira Toriyama said that Dragon Ball Z was supposed to be the final series
@@TJBlack3.5 Well technically, Dragon Ball Super is in the 10 year time skip before the End of Z, so it still works
The Best Flat Characters:
-Ichigo
-Gojo
-Sukuna
-Jiraya
this goku caring a lot about killing doesnt really resonate with me when in the buu saga he kills 10% of earths remaining population in cold blood because he knows they will be wished back later (those who werent killed by cell before btw). He clearly has a bias towards people who could become stronger if they trained to surpass him. Look at the people he spared: majunior, raditz, nappa, vegeta, ginyu force, frieza, all remarkably talented fighters who just werent stronger than he was because they didnt train as hard or as efficiently.
Goku had development up to end of z then super ruined him but vegeta has gotten nonstop development since z through super
As much as I love Goku... He *was* one of the best developed characters. But then Super happened.
i usually agree with sage but i have to hard disagree with this take (assuming that he sticks with the title and its not like a sorta clickbait, haven't watched yet and will edit if i have any post watching changes)
Goku's got GREAT development, do not get me wrong, but id say that Vegeta's is better throughout Z and even Super with the manga arcs, plus its just insane to say that either have the best in all of anime, there is BOUND to be better developed characters in some series
edit: i was wrong, title was like a sorta half bait
Bro really disagreed before watching the video
we got him boys🌚
@@PieMan8522well yeah ill fully admit that, thats why i said ill edit it if i change my mind or somn
@@TSO_Sagefinished watching and you had me at the title 💀
I will debate it but I won’t start it 1:30