For more detailed tech info on the Porsche Cayman GT4, watch the second half of Chris Harris's review, and interview with Porsche GT boss Andreas Preuninger th-cam.com/video/L9-Sr8RPty4/w-d-xo.html
/DRIVE Good length of this episode, very enjoyable! Make a show about affordable european cars of 1970´s-2000´s, besides 911s and e30s, that are cool or will appreciate in value. Also maybe discuss 90s rallyhomologated cars, (whats the story on the escort cossie in the back?) , I want my Lancer Evo 3 and ´99 STI Type-R to appreciate ;) I would also like to hear what your "dream tuner cars" would be on a budget. I mean what do you guys think about engined swapped cars and tuner cars in general, is it really a waste of money? Is it better to spend the 30k on a stock BMW M car than an LS swapped miata?
/DRIVE Love the long episodes, the longer the better! As far as topic ideas, I have a couple: 1-"Underrated 80's Sportscars". 2-"Time Attack Car Tech". Keep up the great job guys!!!
/DRIVE The longer the better. I really liked this episode. The main comparison between the GT4 and the BMW Z4 was interesting and I wish you guys could show the car or even drive it. Drive both or however many you compare in future shows. Also, I always thought it was missing something and I think I figured it out. You guys always sit on stools but are missing the tall round table and beers. Just sayn'
just saying "you know" does not help us know. give us some things that make the car what it is and the reasons for your opinions and you might have an interesting show. the long gearing is not fun since you don't have to shift as much. try an S2000, F430 or miata to see why a car like this needs short gearing and a short clutch to really see how to make a manual fun.
Sunyata you really just said fast lap times don't come from braking...everything you said after just becomes invalid...anyone who knows anything about racing understands that braking is the most fundamental part of being fast. Eg( left foot braking, trail braking, late braking)...the brakes and throttle are what turn the car and the steering wheel becomes the brake..also shifting and gear ratios are incredibly important..shorter gears means more fun on the street and quicker acceleration on smaller tracks...shifting from 2nd to 3rd at 120 mph is not going to be better than shifting into 3rd at 90 mph unless you're making over 900 horsepower...but I agree you can't beat the split second shifts of a pdk or sequential dog box for racing.
Sunyata And how exactly do you improve corner exit speed? I'll take a wild guess and say it comes from braking later and increasing corner entry speed using trail braking and depending on the turn you increase your mid corner speed and then it's getting on throttle at the apex as soon as possible...but realistically every track and every turn is different. Especially once you learn new techniques then your line changes...I prefer fast in/fast out
Sunyata I see now you're talking about racing with other cars...so Yea I agree with you then. I prefer time attack. Also when it comes to braking I've been practicing with looking at where I stop braking rather than putting my full focus on where I start(of course that's important)...I've been reading ultimate speed secrets by Ross Bentley and putting new ideas into practice
My father bought one at a porsche center in Belgium. They told us that there were people asking for the GT4 but they would tell them they didn't have any because the porsche center wouldn't get any real profit out of it. My dad owns multiple bussinesses who also support porsche. Thats why he got his hands on one. Hope this helped you guys out a little. Getting a porsche GT4 at this moment is impossible btw. All sold out. My father is getting he's in february 2016. 2nd handed gt4's will be expensive because they are limited production.
Man, another great vid. This series of videos, with these three gentleman, is definitely one of my favorite car shows across any form of media. Bravo, guys!
As a Cayman owner, wish I could come on your show and share my passion for the car! You guys did an excellent job. Mike P. REALLY nails the spirit of the Cayman.
That 'Polar Moment' you speak of Spinelli is a phenomenon in physics called 'Moment of Inertia'. The larger the radius that the weight is spread across, the greater the moment of inertia (More force required to get it, and keep it moving therefor the skater in your reference spins slower with her arms out, and vice versa) as moment of inertia of an object of constant mass increases as a function of the square of the radius. Therefore, with the more centralized and balanced chassis on the cayman comparative to the 911, allows it to turn in much easier and quicker.
I have an '06 track gutted and prepped Cayman S. One of the most fun and raw cars I've ever driven. The exhaust note alone and the way it makes you feel is unreal. Definitely rare to see them on the road. Would agree with the 1 in every 2 to 3 months. New Boxster spyder would get my money though!
Mike as for the substitutes for the Cayman GT4. My suggestion would be presumably you have the money you might consider RUF 3800 S. It has 420 bhp and is ready out of the box. It also has Carrera S power plant. Just a thought.
Hey guys. As Spinelli(sp?) said, I listen/watch while at work. So 30-45 minutes is awesome. Yall are great to listen to and get your thoughts and insights. Keep up the great work.
Spinelli, I like your show, I like the themes you choose, I like the soundtracks, I like the petrolheads you invite... Keep up the good work! Btw, GT4 ROCKS!
Do the next after drive on all the different generations of 911s, what people use those generations for, and what makes them different from the latter generations. This is such a huge topic and trying to find info about this stuff is overwhelming. All the old 911s have a lot in common also.
Zac and Mike, surprised you didn't have deposits in earlier (before announcement), considering you guys likely have bought a fair number of GT Porsches before. I got my allocation (Sept. build slot) last week, likely helped that I had deposits in about a month prior to announcement. GT3 guys know this. GT3 RS guys really know this. It's been the way it's been with GT Porsches for over a decade. If you want one early (or in this case, at all) you express your interest waaaaay in advance.
I love these after drive episodes with Mike and the car club guys. I'd love to see more shows about some more affordable cars too. You've done great ones in the past.
***** Thanks for asking. Too many models to list and you guys often bring up things I wouldn't have thought of. I've loved your shows where it was something like $70k cars you can buy for half or used cars under $25k. You also did a fun one where you could buy a collection for under a $100k. You guys do some awfully interesting used cars for under $10k even. You could do some seasonal shows too. I'm considering getting a cheap AWD for the winter and not driving my 135 in the snow. "AWD cars under $15k" that could be interesting for me. I think there's not much good content out there about used cars. Going back and looking at reviews when the cars were new isn't the same. Our perceptions of these cars change once they've been around a few years. A restomod show would very cool. Talk about cars you have done restomods to or could do hypothetically. Talk about what year of a certain model you take, what drive train and suspension, brake mods you would do etc.
Based on Planet-9 and Rennlist and talking to dealers it seems that originally 2500 worldwide were planned. The first US/Canada allocation round was 600 (including the 918 VIP program). A second allocation round is coming soon. Dealers got allocations based on their Cayman sales numbers (besides the 918 allocations that were handled separately). My dealer has over 20 people on the waiting list and got 4 allocations. He expects another 3 to 4, maybe 5 later this year for next year delivery. PCNA is trying to get more to the US either by increasing production or shifting allocations.
And if I could not get a GT4 my list would be: Boxster Spyder (new or old), BGB 3.8l transplant with upgrades into 981 Cayman or Boxster, Ruf 3800S or Evora 400.
Love the After/Drive commentary, as always! I say apply the GT3/4 approach to any car and you can't lose! My e46 m3 is everything I could want in a GT3 RS for well under 40 grand. Focus on an engaging, confidence-inspiring driving experience in a well sorted street-able car with those special race car undertones.
Fellas! Directly from PNA's mouth: 1. 918 circle people get first dibs (we have a window of time to accept or refuse the car). 2. Dealership ranking goes second. depending on how many units a dealership sells, etc... they will allocate slots for those dealers. 3. Within the dealers, they get to chose who gets a car. 4. They are running production of the car for almost 2 years. No number of units was thrown for that reason.
Previous gen SharkWerks Cayman with GT3 engine. Get some racingshop to sort the aero and suspension. Possibly cheaper than GT4. And with hydraulic steering!
Never been in a Cayman (too tall) but my '73 911 Outlaw is the most fun car I've ever driven. No gizmos. When I do a fast lap It's because I did a good job. When I mess up she tells me...and tries to kill me. Lost track of how many times I've spun her.
You guys are great, my dad is picking one of these up from the factory in Germany this summer and he is a dentist. "Where my dentists at?" Made us laugh so hard. Very informative video
Short version: You should have tried getting one last year. Every dealer got like 2, they are long gone, just like the GT3... dunno how they can make a 30min 'should you buy one'-vid 6 months after they sold out...
Great episode of After Drive! For a future episode I would love to hear your thoughts on what cheap cars are fun to drive that you wouldn't think would be.
Thanks for these show's Helps get through the work day by dreaming about these cars, and hunting on craigslist and eBay for the cars you talk about, Keep it up :)
I really want a GT4, but I'm willing to wait a year or maybe even two to get my hands on one... and I'd want to order one to my exact specifications. If I can't do it, I'd probably go with a Grand Sport Corvette instead.
Third generation Rx-7 with a very properly done LS swap. Make it drivable on the street with comforts like AC and power steering. Let it be comfortable to drive but with the throttle response and horsepower of a V8. Also make sure to keep its very good 50/50 balance.
I actually own a S2000 and I would say once you start modding the s2k you really do wake the car up and it really becomes a bit of an animal. I'd say a lightly modded/stage 1-ish s2000 is very equivalent to a z4 m in its racey character.
I bought a 08 Cayman with manual because it was all the Porsche I could afford and I didn't want to risk bore scoring with the S model. But I am loving the feel of the car, sure it isn't the fastest and nowhere near the gt4 but for the road it is enough to put a huge smile on my face. The howl of that German flat 6 at 5000 rpm is absolutely beautiful. Planning on a borla exhaust, any suggestions?
Hi, I have a Topic for you: I have a 2005 MB CL55, it is a great car, fast, luxurious, beautiful design and rare. I do not see any reviews or talks about it. I think it will be a collectable one day, what do you guys think? You can buy them fairly cheap and I think they are a steal if you find a clean one...I actually think the older 2003-2006 AMG model looks a lot better than the newer CL class 2007-2013.
Okay here's what I would do. I had a 968 for a while and it had that comfort level that those guys were talking about. It had no tech other than ABS. It's like driving a Jeep CJ-7 that's five inches off the ground. It doesn't have that whole "polar moment" thing going for it because it's not mid engine, but it's got that perfect weight distribution and it's completely progressive. You never feel like you're going to get into trouble that you can't get out of. I recently bought a 997S, which I love, but until I get some track/autocross time and I know I'm not going to kill myself, I'm timid with it just like they say. So yeah, I would get a 968, 951, 944S2, or whatever, and pimp the HELL out of it with aftermarket parts until it was a beast.
Cayman has been my favorite porsche since it launched. Always wanted one. Of course GT4 is top of the heap. It's an odd thing, but since the launch of the C7 corvette, its hard to consider buying a new or even newish Cayman when that money could be spent on the new vette. Used Cayman still a great value proposition in my opinion.
Wouldent a Skyline segment be in order now that the US market is open for importing the R32 GT-R, the original Godzilla with all the heritage. Its history, ban in the US, Matt´s episode etc. should keep you guys going for 30min right?
My dream project would be. To build 300 hpTurbo Toyota gt86/scion frs.with uppgraded: Tires .wheels. clutch. springs. Dampers. Brakes. Sway bars. Wide bodycit. Would have been fun to drive that on nice Norwegian roades where I live. Drive along the coast form south to north.
The Cayman Vs 911 situation reminds me of the whole E92 M3 vs 1M situation from a couple years ago, and how people said if you put the V8 from the M3 in the 1M it would beat the M3, therefore defeating the purpose of buying an M3.
I had a GT4 on pre-order, secured to get one. With high hopes of getting a S-PDK GT4. Then they announced it as a manual only car.... Cancelled the GT4 and ordered a PDK GTS instead. Such a shame there is no PDK for this car. Porsche makes the best gearbox around and they won't offer it for their best car :-(
Zach is only one living in reality, I always want to hear more of Zach's ideas. You guys should podcast. (or at least release these as a podcasts). How does e46 m3 compare to the cayman? Poor man alternative option? Similar numbers. Amazing how they have gone from '"lol! can't afford 911," to "perfect driver's car"
Since the cayman is taking the role of the 911. (looking back at the 70s), Maybe the ones that will take back the crown from Porsche again could be Renault, with the revival of the Alpine coming out in 2016 (the AS1) ?
What do you guys think will be the best cars to buy on the used market down the line? For an example, a 2015 Audi S8 cost $114,000 now, after 5 or 6 years they may be down to $35,000-$55,000.
I would love to see one of these about your favorite cars that we can't get in the US. Either historically, or on sale today. I personally want an Audi S5 Sportback.
This video was so helpful! So I recently had a 2013 Carrera S for the day, and let me tell I have never had a driving experience like that. I have caught the Porsche bug and now I am on a mission to own one. I am just trying to decide on looking for an Older 911 or with a “newer” Cayman for approx $40K or less. Would love to find something that is Porsche certified would be amazing although I think I am dreaming but it looks like it might be doable if I am patient and find the right car.
I think you guys left out the lotus exige lol. I would totally take that over a cayman gt4 even though the gt4 from it seems, a great car but that would be a good comparison even though that car is old by now
Are you kidding me? If you do have the money for a GT4 but you can't get one? Porsche Cayman GTS - off course!!! With bit of options, it will end up being almost as expensive and almost as brilliant. And you also forget something else: the new Porsche Spyder is coming - and this is basically with a lot bits of the GT4 configurations [engine, not sure about the front axle though] - and you might have still a chance to fetch one! To be honest, since I owned a 986 Boxster S I am totally a convertible fan - it is nice to have a rigid chassis [and cleaner interior]- but nothing beats the sun over your head and the air around your neck on a nice day!
Dmitry Filatov If I would have the money, I would do the Spyder [however with air condition thrown in again - Dubai is far too hot to live without one]. I love even, that it has a manual roof - and it is pretty dynamic on the road - this is for sure!
Dear MS + Mike & Zac Im a regular guy that hits track few times a month. Could you guys please discuss which car to buy between Cayman GT4 (waiting for it in 2016) or 997 GT3 gen2 (2009) They are pretty similar money in nz. Currently driving supercharged e92 m3. I'm a dentist by the way haha kinda funny how you guys mentioned it.
Thanks so much for the reply! I was honestly scared to get a response. I have an 07' CS and was hoping I wouldn't hear it was due to oil starvation of any of the other issues some of the forums have me nervous about. Enjoy the new Porsches in the stable!
Mike, finish your thoughts. It makes it super hard to follow and disjointed when you go on a tangent without a clear purpose and blueprint for what you want to discuss and portray about the car. It seems you need to have note cards for your thoughts to help bring them to completion
This is a much better looking car than the 911, Also, Ive heard that if the cayman range was fitted with the same engines as the 911 range, the caymens would be faster because they are a mid engined setup, whereas the 911 is rear engined...
Topic idea if you have foreign guests. USA car culture compared to 'their' car culture as you kind of did in Dubai (would personally love a UK 'vs' USA as I see our cultures to be totally different ... a 'tuned' cayman is not something I think even exists in the UK, it seems like us 'kids' (Gran Turismo / F&F generation) accept tuning, but anyone older thinks it's for yobs.) Great episode as usual. Thanks.
This might sound ridiculous, but an old Alfa Romeo Giulia from back in the days (70's) with specked up rebuild engine/suspension. GTA or GTAM like.. Of course you will not track record, but you'll work out your driving skill, push it the limit and get a lot of feel and fun (even at low speeds). Maybe I am drunk...
The 944 Turbo S gets no love .. Makes a great track car, and not a bad DD ( a few upgrades and your at 300+ RWHHP (but you really have to do the work yourself, as the repair bills will eat you alive ... GT4 = Nirvana
You guys should do a little tribute to Jeremy, James, and Richard from Top Gear!! I will severely miss those fellas together, they were something special! Like if you agree!
Performance wise, the upcoming Ford GT350 will be an alternative to the GT4. The GT350 will probably outperform it on most tracks. If you have to have a Porsche you could get a nice used 911 Turbo for the same price or less.
***** lol neither of you know anything about cars. just because a Porsche is insanely expensive doesn't mean it can out perform any car out there. the gt350 is a cheaper alternative and will perform just as well.
I am exactly like you when I have to tell a story...circling way too long before getting to the point; hence I feel more qualified saying this... Get to the point - not in bulletins, but faster. I jumped 5 times in the video because it was going nowhere. Good topics tough!
i would wait for the gt4 rs (it that will eventually exist), which i think will be a future classic. if i didn't have the money i'd go for a z3m clown shoe badass track build.
For more detailed tech info on the Porsche Cayman GT4, watch the second half of Chris Harris's review, and interview with Porsche GT boss Andreas Preuninger th-cam.com/video/L9-Sr8RPty4/w-d-xo.html
Ander Pendragon You got it. On the way.
/DRIVE Good length of this episode, very enjoyable! Make a show about affordable european cars of 1970´s-2000´s, besides 911s and e30s, that are cool or will appreciate in value. Also maybe discuss 90s rallyhomologated cars, (whats the story on the escort cossie in the back?) , I want my Lancer Evo 3 and ´99 STI Type-R to appreciate ;) I would also like to hear what your "dream tuner cars" would be on a budget. I mean what do you guys think about engined swapped cars and tuner cars in general, is it really a waste of money? Is it better to spend the 30k on a stock BMW M car than an LS swapped miata?
bingoberra18 Great topics.
/DRIVE Love the long episodes, the longer the better! As far as topic ideas, I have a couple: 1-"Underrated 80's Sportscars". 2-"Time Attack Car Tech". Keep up the great job guys!!!
/DRIVE The longer the better. I really liked this episode. The main comparison between the GT4 and the BMW Z4 was interesting and I wish you guys could show the car or even drive it. Drive both or however many you compare in future shows. Also, I always thought it was missing something and I think I figured it out. You guys always sit on stools but are missing the tall round table and beers. Just sayn'
just saying "you know" does not help us know. give us some things that make the car what it is and the reasons for your opinions and you might have an interesting show. the long gearing is not fun since you don't have to shift as much. try an S2000, F430 or miata to see why a car like this needs short gearing and a short clutch to really see how to make a manual fun.
vse0 Good point.
Sunyata you really just said fast lap times don't come from braking...everything you said after just becomes invalid...anyone who knows anything about racing understands that braking is the most fundamental part of being fast. Eg( left foot braking, trail braking, late braking)...the brakes and throttle are what turn the car and the steering wheel becomes the brake..also shifting and gear ratios are incredibly important..shorter gears means more fun on the street and quicker acceleration on smaller tracks...shifting from 2nd to 3rd at 120 mph is not going to be better than shifting into 3rd at 90 mph unless you're making over 900 horsepower...but I agree you can't beat the split second shifts of a pdk or sequential dog box for racing.
Sunyata Learn to drive properly would be my advice to you.
Sunyata And how exactly do you improve corner exit speed? I'll take a wild guess and say it comes from braking later and increasing corner entry speed using trail braking and depending on the turn you increase your mid corner speed and then it's getting on throttle at the apex as soon as possible...but realistically every track and every turn is different. Especially once you learn new techniques then your line changes...I prefer fast in/fast out
Sunyata I see now you're talking about racing with other cars...so Yea I agree with you then. I prefer time attack. Also when it comes to braking I've been practicing with looking at where I stop braking rather than putting my full focus on where I start(of course that's important)...I've been reading ultimate speed secrets by Ross Bentley and putting new ideas into practice
My father bought one at a porsche center in Belgium. They told us that there were people asking for the GT4 but they would tell them they didn't have any because the porsche center wouldn't get any real profit out of it. My dad owns multiple bussinesses who also support porsche. Thats why he got his hands on one. Hope this helped you guys out a little. Getting a porsche GT4 at this moment is impossible btw. All sold out. My father is getting he's in february 2016. 2nd handed gt4's will be expensive because they are limited production.
Man, another great vid. This series of videos, with these three gentleman, is definitely one of my favorite car shows across any form of media. Bravo, guys!
As a Cayman owner, wish I could come on your show and share my passion for the car! You guys did an excellent job. Mike P. REALLY nails the spirit of the Cayman.
You guys are right about watching and listening.
I love putting your shows on while I do my mechanical engineering homework in the library
That 'Polar Moment' you speak of Spinelli is a phenomenon in physics called 'Moment of Inertia'. The larger the radius that the weight is spread across, the greater the moment of inertia (More force required to get it, and keep it moving therefor the skater in your reference spins slower with her arms out, and vice versa) as moment of inertia of an object of constant mass increases as a function of the square of the radius. Therefore, with the more centralized and balanced chassis on the cayman comparative to the 911, allows it to turn in much easier and quicker.
I prefer the Cayman over the 911, never been a 911 fan, Cayman is much nicer looking.
I think there is no 911 which is so "real" Porsche like the Cayman/Boxster
Cornwall1888 If you believed that form follows function you would also prefer the Cayman
***** Yes
I suppose I like small agile cars.
Perhaps you should add the Lotus Elise to your wish list
I have an '06 track gutted and prepped Cayman S. One of the most fun and raw cars I've ever driven. The exhaust note alone and the way it makes you feel is unreal. Definitely rare to see them on the road. Would agree with the 1 in every 2 to 3 months. New Boxster spyder would get my money though!
Mike as for the substitutes for the Cayman GT4. My suggestion would be presumably you have the money you might consider RUF 3800 S. It has 420 bhp and is ready out of the box. It also has Carrera S power plant. Just a thought.
Hey guys. As Spinelli(sp?) said, I listen/watch while at work. So 30-45 minutes is awesome. Yall are great to listen to and get your thoughts and insights. Keep up the great work.
Spinelli, I like your show, I like the themes you choose, I like the soundtracks, I like the petrolheads you invite... Keep up the good work! Btw, GT4 ROCKS!
Do the next after drive on all the different generations of 911s, what people use those generations for, and what makes them different from the latter generations. This is such a huge topic and trying to find info about this stuff is overwhelming. All the old 911s have a lot in common also.
Zac and Mike, surprised you didn't have deposits in earlier (before announcement), considering you guys likely have bought a fair number of GT Porsches before. I got my allocation (Sept. build slot) last week, likely helped that I had deposits in about a month prior to announcement. GT3 guys know this. GT3 RS guys really know this. It's been the way it's been with GT Porsches for over a decade. If you want one early (or in this case, at all) you express your interest waaaaay in advance.
I love these after drive episodes with Mike and the car club guys. I'd love to see more shows about some more affordable cars too. You've done great ones in the past.
***** Thanks for asking. Too many models to list and you guys often bring up things I wouldn't have thought of. I've loved your shows where it was something like $70k cars you can buy for half or used cars under $25k. You also did a fun one where you could buy a collection for under a $100k. You guys do some awfully interesting used cars for under $10k even. You could do some seasonal shows too. I'm considering getting a cheap AWD for the winter and not driving my 135 in the snow. "AWD cars under $15k" that could be interesting for me.
I think there's not much good content out there about used cars. Going back and looking at reviews when the cars were new isn't the same. Our perceptions of these cars change once they've been around a few years.
A restomod show would very cool. Talk about cars you have done restomods to or could do hypothetically. Talk about what year of a certain model you take, what drive train and suspension, brake mods you would do etc.
Based on Planet-9 and Rennlist and talking to dealers it seems that originally 2500 worldwide were planned. The first US/Canada allocation round was 600 (including the 918 VIP program). A second allocation round is coming soon. Dealers got allocations based on their Cayman sales numbers (besides the 918 allocations that were handled separately). My dealer has over 20 people on the waiting list and got 4 allocations. He expects another 3 to 4, maybe 5 later this year for next year delivery. PCNA is trying to get more to the US either by increasing production or shifting allocations.
And if I could not get a GT4 my list would be: Boxster Spyder (new or old), BGB 3.8l transplant with upgrades into 981 Cayman or Boxster, Ruf 3800S or Evora 400.
GT4 is an instant classic. My new life car
Love the After/Drive commentary, as always! I say apply the GT3/4 approach to any car and you can't lose! My e46 m3 is everything I could want in a GT3 RS for well under 40 grand. Focus on an engaging, confidence-inspiring driving experience in a well sorted street-able car with those special race car undertones.
Fellas! Directly from PNA's mouth:
1. 918 circle people get first dibs (we have a window of time to accept or refuse the car).
2. Dealership ranking goes second. depending on how many units a dealership sells, etc... they will allocate slots for those dealers.
3. Within the dealers, they get to chose who gets a car.
4. They are running production of the car for almost 2 years. No number of units was thrown for that reason.
Previous gen SharkWerks Cayman with GT3 engine. Get some racingshop to sort the aero and suspension. Possibly cheaper than GT4. And with hydraulic steering!
***** drive it and you wouldn't care at all
***** The electric steering is now on par with the hydraulic units. Well, at least Porsche is.
***** not cheaper. GT3 engine is $30K+
Last I checked a crate GT3 motor is $48,000
Never been in a Cayman (too tall) but my '73 911 Outlaw is the most fun car I've ever driven. No gizmos. When I do a fast lap It's because I did a good job. When I mess up she tells me...and tries to kill me. Lost track of how many times I've spun her.
You guys are great, my dad is picking one of these up from the factory in Germany this summer and he is a dentist. "Where my dentists at?" Made us laugh so hard. Very informative video
Short version: You should have tried getting one last year. Every dealer got like 2, they are long gone, just like the GT3... dunno how they can make a 30min 'should you buy one'-vid 6 months after they sold out...
you can get the GT4 on autotrader from 95k to 115k all day long
Great show. Keep up the great work. Now we need the same episode on the M2!
Keep the current length, and put out more episodes, I could listen to this everyday
If you couldn't get a Cayman GT4, some things to consider that are accessible in the high but
Great episode of After Drive! For a future episode I would love to hear your thoughts on what cheap cars are fun to drive that you wouldn't think would be.
Thanks for these show's Helps get through the work day by dreaming about these cars, and hunting on craigslist and eBay for the cars you talk about, Keep it up :)
I really want a GT4, but I'm willing to wait a year or maybe even two to get my hands on one... and I'd want to order one to my exact specifications. If I can't do it, I'd probably go with a Grand Sport Corvette instead.
Third generation Rx-7 with a very properly done LS swap. Make it drivable on the street with comforts like AC and power steering. Let it be comfortable to drive but with the throttle response and horsepower of a V8. Also make sure to keep its very good 50/50 balance.
I actually own a S2000 and I would say once you start modding the s2k you really do wake the car up and it really becomes a bit of an animal. I'd say a lightly modded/stage 1-ish s2000 is very equivalent to a z4 m in its racey character.
wwhite36 what is stage 1? I have intake headed exhaust.
I bought a 08 Cayman with manual because it was all the Porsche I could afford and I didn't want to risk bore scoring with the S model. But I am loving the feel of the car, sure it isn't the fastest and nowhere near the gt4 but for the road it is enough to put a huge smile on my face. The howl of that German flat 6 at 5000 rpm is absolutely beautiful. Planning on a borla exhaust, any suggestions?
good Track day cars from cheap to expensive and tips and what to do ? would be brilliant thanks .
It would be nice to see an episode, about how hard is to spec up an old Cayman S to mach the GT4 performance.
Hi, I have a Topic for you: I have a 2005 MB CL55, it is a great car, fast, luxurious, beautiful design and rare. I do not see any reviews or talks about it. I think it will be a collectable one day, what do you guys think? You can buy them fairly cheap and I think they are a steal if you find a clean one...I actually think the older 2003-2006 AMG model looks a lot better than the newer CL class 2007-2013.
Okay here's what I would do. I had a 968 for a while and it had that comfort level that those guys were talking about. It had no tech other than ABS. It's like driving a Jeep CJ-7 that's five inches off the ground. It doesn't have that whole "polar moment" thing going for it because it's not mid engine, but it's got that perfect weight distribution and it's completely progressive. You never feel like you're going to get into trouble that you can't get out of. I recently bought a 997S, which I love, but until I get some track/autocross time and I know I'm not going to kill myself, I'm timid with it just like they say. So yeah, I would get a 968, 951, 944S2, or whatever, and pimp the HELL out of it with aftermarket parts until it was a beast.
What would I buy instead of the GT4? Cayman GTS or a base 911. I don't like the wing on this GT4.
Cayman has been my favorite porsche since it launched. Always wanted one. Of course GT4 is top of the heap. It's an odd thing, but since the launch of the C7 corvette, its hard to consider buying a new or even newish Cayman when that money could be spent on the new vette. Used Cayman still a great value proposition in my opinion.
I have one coming.. in white ! Woo! November delivery.. Will be doing lots of videos!
Way too distracted with that 240z in the back. Demand a video of that. :)
These need to be an hour long (at least). Keep up the fantastic work !
Wouldent a Skyline segment be in order now that the US market is open for importing the R32 GT-R, the original Godzilla with all the heritage. Its history, ban in the US, Matt´s episode etc. should keep you guys going for 30min right?
I love the long show. It is like a lunch with my car friends.
It's now the end of 2019 and you can find GT4's for high 70k.
Just recently bought a 981 GT4. I thank the magical power of depreciation.
I just bought one for way higher than that LOL
My dream project would be. To build
300 hpTurbo Toyota gt86/scion frs.with uppgraded: Tires .wheels. clutch. springs. Dampers. Brakes. Sway bars. Wide bodycit.
Would have been fun to drive that on nice Norwegian roades where I live. Drive along the coast form south to north.
I'd try a 997.1 GT3 because the markup for slightly used, pre-owned GT4s is gonna be ridiculous..
It's a lovely machine and probably a good investment!
The Cayman Vs 911 situation reminds me of the whole E92 M3 vs 1M situation from a couple years ago, and how people said if you put the V8 from the M3 in the 1M it would beat the M3, therefore defeating the purpose of buying an M3.
FWIW, the few cars I unreservedly want now (I autocross) would be the GT4, the newest GT3, and the Z06.
I had a GT4 on pre-order, secured to get one. With high hopes of getting a S-PDK GT4. Then they announced it as a manual only car.... Cancelled the GT4 and ordered a PDK GTS instead. Such a shame there is no PDK for this car. Porsche makes the best gearbox around and they won't offer it for their best car :-(
slaWterCH Grow a ballsack and get the manual
Zach is only one living in reality, I always want to hear more of Zach's ideas. You guys should podcast. (or at least release these as a podcasts).
How does e46 m3 compare to the cayman? Poor man alternative option? Similar numbers.
Amazing how they have gone from '"lol! can't afford 911," to "perfect driver's car"
? Corvette C7 or modified C6?
? new Z06 (but possible overheating problem)
am a Porsche guy but am told my GT4 will be delivered in 2017...maybe
Interesting that they didn't mention the Cayman GTS as an alternate option, @ 340 hp it's the next thing down the food chain.
Since the cayman is taking the role of the 911. (looking back at the 70s),
Maybe the ones that will take back the crown from Porsche again could be Renault, with the revival of the Alpine coming out in 2016 (the AS1) ?
What do you guys think will be the best cars to buy on the used market down the line? For an example, a 2015 Audi S8 cost $114,000 now, after 5 or 6 years they may be down to $35,000-$55,000.
Ha, I constantly bore people with Polar Moment discussion. But I think it is such a great point to understand.
This car is a dream, I hate being poor.
I would love to see one of these about your favorite cars that we can't get in the US. Either historically, or on sale today. I personally want an Audi S5 Sportback.
Do a section on the Toyota 222D, the Lee Noble Fenix, or the Mazda Furai.
This video was so helpful! So I recently had a 2013 Carrera S for the day, and let me tell I have never had a driving experience like that. I have caught the Porsche bug and now I am on a mission to own one. I am just trying to decide on looking for an Older 911 or with a “newer” Cayman for approx $40K or less. Would love to find something that is Porsche certified would be amazing although I think I am dreaming but it looks like it might be doable if I am patient and find the right car.
There is one on Ebay now. The bids are well over $100,000.
bassmaster1953 Now, $147,100.
"Come back to after drive after the great thing"
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I think you guys left out the lotus exige lol. I would totally take that over a cayman gt4 even though the gt4 from it seems, a great car but that would be a good comparison even though that car is old by now
Are you kidding me? If you do have the money for a GT4 but you can't get one? Porsche Cayman GTS - off course!!! With bit of options, it will end up being almost as expensive and almost as brilliant.
And you also forget something else: the new Porsche Spyder is coming - and this is basically with a lot bits of the GT4 configurations [engine, not sure about the front axle though] - and you might have still a chance to fetch one!
To be honest, since I owned a 986 Boxster S I am totally a convertible fan - it is nice to have a rigid chassis [and cleaner interior]- but nothing beats the sun over your head and the air around your neck on a nice day!
Their model was chosen?
What do you mean?
You made a choice for yourself? What machine is the best? What I want to have?
Dmitry Filatov If I would have the money, I would do the Spyder [however with air condition thrown in again - Dubai is far too hot to live without one]. I love even, that it has a manual roof - and it is pretty dynamic on the road - this is for sure!
Ok - I get it.
I definitely agree with Mr.Moseley. I would buy a standard Cayman S and take it to Sarkwerks or similar.
Cheers from Spain!!
Dear MS + Mike & Zac
Im a regular guy that hits track few times a month.
Could you guys please discuss which car to buy between
Cayman GT4 (waiting for it in 2016)
or
997 GT3 gen2 (2009)
They are pretty similar money in nz. Currently driving supercharged e92 m3.
I'm a dentist by the way haha kinda funny how you guys mentioned it.
Thanks for your helpful advice Michael. I hope you guys get your GT4 because im looking forward to your review on it! cheers
CCM - What pushed you guys to remove the 07' and 08' Caymans from your collection of cars?
Thanks so much for the reply! I was honestly scared to get a response. I have an 07' CS and was hoping I wouldn't hear it was due to oil starvation of any of the other issues some of the forums have me nervous about. Enjoy the new Porsches in the stable!
Id like to see an after drive episode talking about some of your favorite driving destinations
"GREAT NOW I GOTTA WAIT FOR SOMEONE TO GIVE THEIRS UP"
Mike, finish your thoughts. It makes it super hard to follow and disjointed when you go on a tangent without a clear purpose and blueprint for what you want to discuss and portray about the car. It seems you need to have note cards for your thoughts to help bring them to completion
Fully built straight cut gears stripped interior e30 M3 evo ii and id be set
You said you will some links in the video description, where are they????
This is a much better looking car than the 911, Also, Ive heard that if the cayman range was fitted with the same engines as the 911 range, the caymens would be faster because they are a mid engined setup, whereas the 911 is rear engined...
Topic idea if you have foreign guests. USA car culture compared to 'their' car culture as you kind of did in Dubai (would personally love a UK 'vs' USA as I see our cultures to be totally different ... a 'tuned' cayman is not something I think even exists in the UK, it seems like us 'kids' (Gran Turismo / F&F generation) accept tuning, but anyone older thinks it's for yobs.)
Great episode as usual. Thanks.
+/DRIVE i think a show covering the 2016 Mazda Miata vs honda s2000 which would be the better buy
A possible topic: Could ypu like with a daily driver with only 2 seats and not much of a boot?
A Comptech supercharged NSX seems like a good alternative.
Breathed on? Lol, Mike didn't get away with that comment for even a second.
The technical stuff is what makes these videos interesting not to mention a presenter who communicates well. This video lacks both.
This might sound ridiculous, but an old Alfa Romeo Giulia from back in the days (70's) with specked up rebuild engine/suspension. GTA or GTAM like..
Of course you will not track record, but you'll work out your driving skill, push it the limit and get a lot of feel and fun (even at low speeds). Maybe I am drunk...
Hey, I had a 67' Guilia Sprint Gt with the 1600 DOHC inline 4. What a wonderful messed car that was! No rear brakes and a frozen suspension, etc.
I love your what I would buy under series. I LOVE THOSE, do more!
Lotus Evora 400!, also mid engine, similiar powe/weight ratior and similiar price
The 944 Turbo S gets no love .. Makes a great track car, and not a bad DD ( a few upgrades and your at 300+ RWHHP (but you really have to do the work yourself, as the repair bills will eat you alive ... GT4 = Nirvana
so now the question is cayman or late 90's japanese sports/ investment car
I have the wrong friends, 30 min debating about a gt4, pure enjoyment
ive had the privilege to drive one of these and man oh man is it a good car
You guys should do a little tribute to Jeremy, James, and Richard from Top Gear!! I will severely miss those fellas together, they were something special! Like if you agree!
Yes!! After/Drive!
I wonder how it compares to the new miata cup car.
I love these episodes. I would totally be down for an hour of it heheh
GT4 is totally out of my reach...
but if possible a 1st gen Cayman S would be nice.. Cayman R will be totally awesome
Performance wise, the upcoming Ford GT350 will be an alternative to the GT4. The GT350 will probably outperform it on most tracks. If you have to have a Porsche you could get a nice used 911 Turbo for the same price or less.
U say a ford gt350 will outperform a gt4???????? Are you serious ?
Lmao I thought I read that wrong, sorry buddy but i don't think there's a "FORD" alive that can out perform a Porsche!
***** lol neither of you know anything about cars. just because a Porsche is insanely expensive doesn't mean it can out perform any car out there. the gt350 is a cheaper alternative and will perform just as well.
c18aztec i agree just as well but never better.
I am exactly like you when I have to tell a story...circling way too long before getting to the point; hence I feel more qualified saying this...
Get to the point - not in bulletins, but faster. I jumped 5 times in the video because it was going nowhere. Good topics tough!
i would wait for the gt4 rs (it that will eventually exist), which i think will be a future classic. if i didn't have the money i'd go for a z3m clown shoe badass track build.
Escort Cosworth in the back ground there
Lotus Exige S or Exige S Cup, anytime. I cannot believe you forgot to mention it.
Gorgeous cars. My brother just got one.
What about the BMW M2 with a manual?
I would buy a cayman gts and put some suspension upgrades with the lift over money