Theranos’s Elizabeth Holmes on the Lifeblood of the Internet - FULL CONVERSATION
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- The founder and C.E.O. of the health-diagnostics company offering next-generation, low-cost blood tests in conversation with NBC News’s Maria Shriver.
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Theranos’s Elizabeth Holmes on the Lifeblood of the Internet - FULL CONVERSATION - บันเทิง
She's quite an inspiration to all the scammers around the world, she taught them how to do it on a large scale.
Exactly! What a horrible human being. I'm just annoyed that they haven't yet put her in jail.
@@AlexEMF 2nd week of jury deliberations
Charles Ponzi would be proud
If these scammers have rich parents
@@AlexEMF Jail for what exactly...did she kill anybody ?...the tests she created wasn't enough for all the testing needed as they are only enough to test iron levels and maybe some STD's ..and the vampires and blood suckers within the industry naturally wouldn't allow her to get a head that easily...she's a woman also.
Elizabeth “in the context of”, Holmes…
A woman who can speak for an hour and not say a single word
That's the same thing I was taught by our sales trainer, it's not about the product it's about the story you have to create about the product, that's what the sales is all about 🤣🤣🤣
Surrounded by elites like Katie Couric (who asked a "question") who are supposed to be journalists.
Reminds me of trump
To be fair Lee, she only mentioned "context" twenty times in just under 43 minutes :-)
@@kateskeys Reminds me of every corrupt, lying Democrat.
"Let me introduce to you a woman who dropped out 19 years old and without notable chemical, medical and engineering experience solved problems actual scientists spent a livetime working on. Nothing fishy about that."
😂😂😂😂
And flatters to the hilt a celebrity "journalist" who got her career through nepotism and has nothing to show for it.
The bit** is sick lool, a legendary bit**
yeah but they didn't have a cool gadget called Edison that got investors throw money at without vetting.
yeah but are they HOT?!!
She is so thrilled with the attention. It's funny to watch. P.s. she talks like a politician, a lot of words but not saying much of any substance.
She has little of substance to point to. One test approved by FDA.
Alot of fantasy talk
You're exactly right, but that is by design to sound"knowledgeable", while at the same time, HIDING the TRUTH!!!
"basic human rights for lab tests" Like I don't need my vitamin D levels weekly. That's for hypochondriacs they wanted to gaslight and everyone can self diagnose (wrongly)
Spoiled child.
It's so obvious now. She wasn't selling a product, she was selling a dream.
Nightmare?
A dream she had no ability to bring to fruition, the definition of a con artist. She may not have started out with bad intentions but at some point she made the decision to start deceptive practices. She was also not aware of the level of her ignorance of mecidcal technology.
"She wasn't selling a product, she was selling a dream."
She wasn't selling a dream, she was selling a delusion.
A 9 billion dollar dream.
Dream? A delusion.
Amazing what doors are open when you know the right people.
It has always been about knowing the right people, having the best connections, in all domains. That's why we often see skilled people poor and lower class still, and people with no skills in the upper class..
@@marishkaspirit You see skilled people in all classes. That's humanity. Embrace it.
Moon child good point
Now, THAT is the crux of what has transpired here.
My grandfather always said "when one door closes, another door opens"
He was a great man...but a terrible cabinet maker
You go girl......TO JAIL
Made me laugh harder than I should! Haha!
😅 😂 😅 😂 😅 😂 😅 😂
Gonna be the next steve jobs... in jail but still lool
lol
9/2021. (Her), the unlocked cell will lock. Patience.
I'm just going around to all these old videos that gush over her to point out to the producer that they helped Holmes defraud people and possibly endangered people through inaccurate medical testing. She couldn't have done it without you, way to do your homework before you held her up as an example!
FreedomForever2010 these producers were just doing their job tbh. Her true enablers are the high profile backers like Schultz Mattis etc
@@Simon_S22 clintons , kissingers ...........Knowing her father was one of the directors of Enron should have rung twenty ball sack bells.........
@FreedomForever2010 _"You're doing a good thing. If you start to doubt yourself, if you start to think if this is what you're supposed to be doing.....just remember that it's not about you, it's about the mission to help better people's lives by holding the mainstream media outlets to account for their culpability in perpetrating this giant fraud. You must believe that there's a greater reason and a purpose to why you're doing what you're doing so that you have faith and the confidence to keep going even when you have absolutely no idea how to succeed. If TH-cam was to stop your account, you'd set-up another account and start over again and do it better because this is what you love!"_ *_Elizabeth Holmes (personalized motivational speech)_*
How do you know her test results were no good?
luuke luketer
False. Dad was not a director of Enron.
She used her Dad's retirement money for her startup. Thanksgiving dinners must be awkward.
In what way? Payback takes many forms.
her dad is vp of enron where did you think she got that talent?
@robert tidwell
So let us hope she will pay back the rest of the money she has stolen.
If you see Donald so tell him to do the same.
Some of you Americans are .......................
@@qtaro-7097 thank you
@@2808drw so it's only Americans? Get out more.
The real question is : How can a company make no money for 12 years and yet be worth 9 Billion ?
It was all based on the investment amount made in the company. Fortune magazine led the way in the valuation and most people do not realise it was not based on anything really but think that it must be. Most venture capitalists turned them down but we don't hear about the ones that turned them down.
She lied to her investors. Its pretty much that simple. She told them her device could do things that it couldn't. Its pretty much that simple.
Maybe the lies started by lying to her parents haha "took my parents retirement money"
Amazon took nine years to make a profit.
Just like a Ponzi scheme…😒
I am fascinated by this story and have been binge watching some of these interviews. Still don't know how this happens even though I have heard the story many. many times.
Same. It is so mind boggling
I am super late. Bought Bad Blood on Kindle. Cannot wait to start reading.
Rich people invest their money. That's how it happens. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
Omg me too! Only, i’m super late!! 😅
I'm even later! 😂
This is what’s called talking in circles
They actually used traditional machines for the vast majority of their tests, and still they had a high error rate. They couldn't even get the standard tests right.
That's because quality protocols were never observed or followed. They didn't even meet their own standards. Nor did they bother to hire and train qualified technicians.
Well what do you expect when they only use a few drops of blood?
They diluted the blood because one drop isn't enough on a standard machine.
lol exactly I took her "test" & died
Which is exactly what her board should've expected when a college dropout came to ask them for money to build a medical company 😄
The media also needs to be held accountable for all this nonsense
they were more interested in the style than the substance
Could be an analogy for her board....😅
Yessssss
1 journalist saw through it. He shouldn't be tarred with the same brush
And a few naive U.S. Presidents and corporate CEOs.
The media is just at fault for sensationalizing her
If she was legit it would be great news. Now being fake ...great news for them
@@YuTuboTuTubas Win win for the media basically then 👍
This isn't just regular tech, it's healthcare. Just wow. This interview has so much to unpack. We deserve full transparency you con.
Who’s the bigger con artist here? The one posing as a tech innovator or the one posing as a journalist?
Definitely Elizabeth Holmes 😂
The one that defrauded people out of millions of dollars... obviously.
Elizabeth couldn't have done it without the media puffing her up. They were her co-conspirators.
If Elizabeth managed to fool multi billionaires, she could easily fool under paid and under resourced reporters. But keep in mind, in the end it was a Journalist that uncovered Elizabeth's schemes, not the billionaire investors who should have carried out due diligence.
Maria Shriver isn't a journalist. She's a spokeshole for whoever pays her, like most "journalists".
"I grew up in a family that was and still is in public service"- Her dad was an Enron executive!
I heard he's selling his plasma to make ends meet. EH blew all his money.
I'm amazed at how quick these kind of people can make up answers without flinching.
Lol at 6:40 "I had absolutely no idea how we would do it", so she founded a startup with no business project and just thought 'the engineers will figure out how to do the impossible thing I want to be real', if only was that easy
It worked for Ford.
You hit the nail on the head. All she did is come up with a childishly optimistic idea.
Maria got the story wrong again -- more interested in clothes than reality.
I'm looking at her proudly retell the story of how she intentionally dressed to mirror her interviewee like she [Maria] were some high school personality. I mean, really? So unprofessional and unethical.
If I wear her uniform
I feel empowered
After reading John's book, it's crazy to see how easily she lies in public on how her company functions. She had the mind, opportunity and capital to create something great and do some real good but she over promised, didn't bother to understand her own technology and lied. Unfortunate!
And risking people lifes
Yeah there's a reason why the healthcare industry is so regulated, because of people like her. But how many times does she say the phrase "in the context of " 🙄.
One thing I believe her: "I didn't plan to do exactly what we're doing now"
For those of you interested in this story I encourage you to read: Bad Blood by John Carreyrou great in depth analysis on how this massive and dangerous fraud came to pass. This saga is being developed into a movie in which Jennifer Lawrence will play Elizabeth Holmes
V B I agree... Reading it now.
me too ! It is a fascinating read.
V B It just arrived, can’t wait to read it...i hope when reading it I don’t hear her voice
V B I listened to the audiobook, so I definitely am fuming at the idiocy of Vanity Fair helping to further a dangerous medical scam out of ignorance
What does the cook highlight? The journey she want through? Or the fall?
The barrier for entry into critical fields needs to be very high. The scrutiny needs to be very intense.
26:55 "I was lucky enough to invest in this girl when she was 19"....poor guy
Now he's broke too
@@kepler240 Most surely he was a Theranos paid actor rather than an actual "investor"
"how did you not doubt yourself?" - by becoming a sociopath
Leo R lol
42:04 _“Haha and you’ll obviously come back here next year, and there year after that..and talk about how it’s changing....”_ Well that went well didn’t it?
"Changing the world. One prick at a time" :D
I was looking for this. Lmaoooooo
I read "Bad Blood" by Carreyrou. Fascinating must read! I thought it very interesting the contradiction of her comment that failure is just a part of business. "We believe in a culture that you can take the most swings with the bat and get the most homeruns and get the most strikeouts and that's ok." Strikeouts meaning failures! If you read the book you will understand that any part of failure and/or stating that something can't be done leads to being fired! Their employees were to become yes-men or yes-women, or they were gone.
The media gave her all these platforms and never checked if her machine works. This is the height of irresponsibility.
I’m guessing Elizabeth was also “addicted” to power, public adulation and being called the “next Steve Jobs”
I think that was patently obvious
Greatest con artist of all times. There was no limits to who she fooled.
How did no one laugh when the presenter said "she's gonna change the world one prick at a time"? 🤣🤣
I did!
I have noticed she always sits in a very masculine posture. Here she could be a jock. She leans way forward and sits with her elbows on her knees and her hands dangling.
The clothes, her mannerisms and her voice were all fake and thought out.
She's posturing to look like a man of authority. I thought the progressives state that men & women are not biologically different. So why act like a man now?
I read somewhere that this posture helped her with the fake voice, although you may also notice that shes paused when talking, or in other words her lungs need the pause in other to keep up the low voice tone.
Hysterical !! Scary to see how stupid the people, magazines, investors etc are. They try to sell us that they’re the authority.
Question from Katie at 34:37 and the answer that followed Im sure raised a lot of flags
There was no answer.
nz: Excellent catch! Thanks!
Obviously not that many red flags as she wasn't indicted until 3 years later. I think the questioner had her pegged as a fraud though, you could tell by the way she specifically worded her question and the unflinching gaze she smelled some BS.
Yup, Katie Couric KILLED IT! The answer EH gave to the science behind the tech was: Change the hardware, software, and vials! LOL!
Katie C. at least asked a probing question. Maria S. was more interested in how the fraud dressed. What a fluff piece MS is.
I would have failed any oral exam if I had given such vague, repeated and unrelated answers like she does ... but still she ended up with billions of money , how stupid are people ...
As someone who always get nervous to order a take out food, I really cant get it how she could stay calm when telling lies to people. Rich, older, and more powerful than her. I've watched tons of videos of her and not even a minute she looked confused or anxious.
Her voice is so cringe like how did anyone think anything about her was real
It's because she lies to herself, too. She believes her own lies wholeheartedly.
She’s a psychopath. And a compulsive liar. Think DJT.
Watch the interview with Bill Clinton, she doesn’t handle it well and looks panicked.
She said that she wasnt going to her classes at Stanford. That was the first sign that something was wrong with her.
All together now... THIS HASN'T AGED WELL!
I’ve noticed she says the same speech over and over again. And she couldn’t answer the question about the science at all. Just said actionable all the time. Lol
She was never challenged by anyone with any biomedical expertise. Shriver and Vanity Fair is a classic example.
Maria Shriver: ". . . we're gonna talk changing the world one prick at a time. . . ."
Elizabeth Holmes: "Maria, you've come to the right person."
It's scary and beggars belief how she was lying the whole time. Was she not worried that she'd get caught one day?! There's only so far you can go before you're caught and that's what happened!
First they think you are crazy
Then you wear turtle neck
Then you walk around like lunatic
Then you con people
Then suddenly you find yourself in prison
Then they think you were really crazy after all
For someone so passionate about people’s “right to information” she sure didn’t take that approach when it came
to her employees
“This is a space where there aren’t shortcuts.” - Elizabeth Holmes
Loved a panel talk this one.
"people told me again and again it can't be done" lol
That false tenor/baritone vocal delivery raises an interesting discussion. Gravitas often tends to be exemplified or reinforced with a lower vocal register which of course is much easier for men than for women with the latter often resorting to *vocal fry.* Holmes' *reverse falsetto* dramatically emphasises the incorrect assumption that a woman is taken more seriously if she adopts something approximating a masculine vocal range. That (amongst many other things of course!) made her a poor role model for women.
Her father was a VP at Enron so she was never short of money.
Does anybody notice that her spontaneous reaction to the Maria’s question “ it is too complicated “ was in a feminine voice
lunch forum? how did the people present not vomit their food?
they were not listening XD
The media should do a better job with their news stories.
You too Maria, way to do your homework! "Architect of change?" Not the kind of change we need in this country that's for sure.
You fell right into her hand when she went to flattery about how important you have been. Didn't you read your Machiavelli? Beware of flatterers.
Here's the quote, "ONE error into which Princes, unless very prudent or very fortunate in their choice of friends, are apt to fall, is of so great importance that I must not pass it over. I mean in respect of flatterers. These abound in Courts, because men take such pleasure in their own concerns, and so deceive themselves with regard to them, that they can hardly escape this plague;"
Except in this case we are talking about women. Maria just ate that flattery up, look at her take it and then turn to the audience for acknowledgement. I would think for someone who had been around politics her whole life it wouldn't be that easy, but Holmes literally had her neutered in a matter of seconds as Maria then goes off on a tangent about what she's wearing.
Then the ending is just ridiculous, "girls can grow up to be like you," "no like you," "no like you, teeheehee," I call myself a journalist and didn't ask any serious questions.
I am astounded that she can lie so easily ,with a straight face and looking everybody in the eyes.
Wow. She would be An amazing actress.
She should have persued an acting career.
Yes, the talents of sociopaths is astounding.
I think she should have pursued a carreer in robotics, with her as the robot.
I love all of these media personalities that have all called her out since she got busted but acted as her personal PR machine before.
Maybe the Journalists should actually investigate people before putting them up on a pedestal and selling them to people.
Yeah they love the inspirational model. The media are more responsible for ER than ER or the investors are.
34:35 Katie Couric wasn’t buying Holmes BS and neither was the guy sitting in front of her.
she couldnt answer the question
The cutlery clinking in the background is so distracting 😅
I've been endlessly scrolling to see if anybody else was thinking the same thing! Found you and thx! My God the clinking 😝
HOW WAS THIS EVEN RELEASED I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW ANYONE HEARD THOSE PLATES CLANKING AND THOUGHT IT WAS FINE ?!?!? Its killing me and no one has mentioned it lmfao.
@@ktal3167 I know! My teeth! 😬🤯
When will American Greed do an episode on her? Here for it.
Next time someone says to me "In the context of..." I am going to slap them
I feel like I had the tools to lie to people. lol.
Exactly
Her Ego.. Wow. If she was a cat she'd never stop licking herself and purring. Her need for attention and praise.. Is phenomenal. She just can't stop patting herself on the back..
She’s a textbook narcissist.
"We want to empower the employees of my company in the context of scamming, so he can engage in lying that a tiny drop can replace tubes and tubes of blood. We do this in the context of transparency" Elizabeth Holmes
Why does the company's name remind me of thanatos (death)?
Good question
“In the context of...in the context of...in the context of...”
Omg, how many "in the context" she said. I am going to listen to it again and count, if I can survive watching this train reck again.
She had to fill in her lies with something...... I'm not a violent person, but I honestly could have punched her just for saying "in the context of" one more time.
😂
“We have a vision and a dream…” yeah but no product 😂
And no skills for acomplish it
The dream was to scam people i guess
@@captainpawpawchannel She is amazing
Quit hating
@@a_kay4601 ah ah ok
So she's completely aware of how important blood diagnosis and early detection is to a person's health, life... yet have no qualms about going live with a faulty product, producing random guesses doctors and patients relies on to make decision. That's just really farked up.
DangInvestor Yes. She is a bad person. That is what bad people do. And Maria is helping her do it. Maria is also a bad person.
including her own mother! Who does that? a sociopath that's who
@@JK-vc7ie was she? More like an ignorant, no?
Some people will continue to think that she's a good person, that's the power of manipulation, even stronger in women
This. Before I saw this interview I thought that she was so self absorbed and caught up in her 'mission' that she didn't fully realise how dangerous what she was doing could be. But no. She knew. This is not just defrauding investors. She's a monster.
Thanks for promoting a scam artist
BOOM hindsight radar detects a scam huh?!
Elizabeth 'in the context of' Holmes.
she is amazing at flattery. underrated as one of the components that made her con so successful.
A big red flag here is Holmes saying analysis results should be presented in English. She is utterly innocent of scientific nomenclature. The physician is there to explain them to the patient as far as possible.
In the context of being an engineer I am an engineer In that context of being an individual I'm also an inventor, In the context of being a woman I am also a woman. You too as a woman can have your parents and her friends finance a company when you're 19. America F-Yeah
She talk too much , i can't understand .
She never talk about the detail of the product .
In the context of scamming....
Somehow, the background letters, "VANITY FAIR" seems to describe her and her company, perfectly.
Microfluidic, lab-on-a-chip technology will one day disrupt the current generation of blood analyzers, but Theranos’ patents show no such innovation. Theranos is backed by for-profit healthcare organizations who only want to use it to change laws--as it did in Arizona--which will make blood testing more profitable. In the 1970s, labs were lucrative and supported hospitals, but DRGs made them a financial liability. A relevant example is Theranos board-of-directors member Bill Frist’s Hospital Corporation of America. It paid the largest fraud settlement in US history in 2002 for over billing Medicare for lab tests. But if clinical laboratories could advertise all their screening tests on television, they could instill the fear of multiple diseases in viewers who would--under new laws trumpeting patient empowerment--be able to bypass physicians and insurance to order their own tests and pay cash. Lab profits could match the profits of pharmaceutical companies. The hot-blond, female-Steve-Jobs-clone who is CEO of Theranos and its top-secret new technology were fabricated for the single purpose of changing laws to make blood testing more profitable. This just when big data has revealed that the number needed to test is far too large to make any screening tests worth the price. Never trust anyone who is afraid of needles.
Not to be snide but, this young woman is not "hot." She actually gives off a creepy stare that seemed calculated to defraud.
Why would cheap tests at wallgreens like theranos was supposedly developing make lab testing "match the profits of pharma"?
bc people would get them whenever without a doctor's note.
I reread the op and I get it now, change the law and let people freak out and order lab tests. Imho that would be great! We would have more people medicated and less disease. But most people would just medicate straight out of the theranos style test not order the more accurate tests. Okay let us play it out in hypotheticals. Bob is feeling ill. Bob looks up his symptoms on the internet, and thinks oh god what if I have herpes? Bob takes the two dollars he was going to spend on ramen and instead gets a blood screening. When the antibodies indicate a viral infection is he going to cough up thousands for more testing or 20$ for some valaciclovir at wallmart?
She isn't hot LOL! It is Mark Zuckerberge with a wig and a fake low voice.
Her face and the voice doesn't go together.
OakhillSailor yeah but this is mostly because the sound and the frames are not synchronized in the video. Look at another interview, it will be better
Well observed.
OakhillSailor Actually her deep voice is contrived. Some peeps who worked for her heard her 'slip' a few times. ::smh::
There's just something "off" about her in general, but it scares me that nobody saw it and thought she was a savant/genius like Steve Jobs. She even dressed like him. It's interesting to go back to the TH-cam videos of about 2013. Everybody just drools about her and there is no mention of her weird voice or scary eyes.
Why would she fake this voice? It sounds unnatural and creepy. Surely if she were going to fake it she would make it sound better no?
the fact that she literally hurt people is what makes this so unbelievable and she showed zero remorse for it. silicon valley made the wrong decision in investing in her company.
I can't wait for the "American Greed" episode on Liz.
The only thing she changed was her voice and clothing.
I love how everyone claps when she says she can do lab tests for 1/10 the cost of her competitors. She doesn't explain how. Everyone is in awe over the famous names that are dropped. People that don't know a thing about lab testing.
Sounds like Tom Cruise talking about Scientology
Media should have done their homework, and Holmes should have tested her product and done her homework......... So misguided!
much is said about her voice. but its her body posturing that is critical to understanding who she is. first notice her always nodding her head, this to make the viewer excited to hear her speak and to already start believing her before anything substancial is communicated. She sits cross legged, at first very casual and masculine to seem more confident. Her tell is she looks to the left of Maria when accessing truthful comments. and looks down when she speaks of things she is not sure of
When was this done?
If ALL of these interviews is not enough to put her behind bars, then we really do have a messed up system!!
These lies would have to have been told under oath for her to be prosecuted for them.
@@gabrielgonzales5907 yes, I agree. Well, they (SEC and the Dept of Justice) deposed her and pulled out the Forbes magazine article and did a line item recollection and asked her under oath if the things she stated in the magazine were true and she said they were all untrue. And I read that the prosecution will most likely bring in one of the reporters she sat down with, Aulleta I believe is the reporter's last name as a witness. Who knows what the truth is. Will see what happens. I just think that it's criminal to mess with people's healthcare. Patients believed in what she was saying, because everyone who supposed to know better did and it's wrong. 1,000,000 test had to be redone and there was more that didn't get redone.
These people who spoke so highly of her, I hope some have the decency to recant. Most seem to say nothing, it’s embarrassing for sure.
The deeper my voice the more you should believe my deception. 😅😅😅
Maria, of course! LOL, great choice.
What has she done wrong (true question, i don't know anything about her)
@@captainpawpawchannel: IDK, sycophant?
It's a good idea. The really sad part about this is when a legit person/company comes along and figures out how to do this. They are going to have to prove that they aren't scamming as well🤦🏿
It will never let me repeat never happen and that's what's so amazing about this. You cant run multiple tests on a drop of blood. It is impossible.
@@johnwright291 Yeah I figured with the tech we have now.
Another company has done it.
I also have a good idea, a teleportation machine, but no idea how to do it, i hope some investors will fund me
Her father is VP at Enron. She was accepted to Stanford.
She does not explain the science and tech behind her "innovation" because obviously it does not exist. Instead she only repeats "empower the individual" "in the context of" over and over again . It's not even a scam, it's a joke. Amazing how people fell for this for such a long time.
19:00 Jared Leto's pink hair. lol
She called herself an engineer when she had no degree and built a fake machine. It’s an insult to women who are civil engineers, electrical engineers and real scientist.
This is a story about how we women are treated within tech. She got knocked down because she was of the wrong "gender"....
As a woman software engineer with two degrees I find her so insulting
where do I invest???????
I bet Maria regrets this interview.
1:50 "I grew up in a family that does public service" --- WUT. YOU MEAN ENRON DADDY?
Maybe they should update the written text under the video...