Elizabeth Holmes, CEO of Theranos, in Conversation with Sal Khan

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  • Elizabeth Holmes, Founder & CEO, Theranos
    In conversation with Sal Khan, Founder & CEO, Khan Academy
    As a business leader and entrepreneur, Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes is a powerful advocate for STEM education. She was just 19 when she started Theranos, the revolutionary blood testing company valued at more than $9 billion.
    Holmes and Khan will discuss their thoughts on innovation and ongoing commitment to improving STEM education opportunities for young women and girls.

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  • @agustinmoralesrodriguez1242
    @agustinmoralesrodriguez1242 3 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    It doesnt matter where you start watching. Every single presentation she makes looks exactly the same.

    • @WRCWPLX
      @WRCWPLX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Great point!

  • @stevereichert1292
    @stevereichert1292 3 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Notice that she answers every question in this interview. When she was recently deposed she answered, "I don't know" over 600 times.

  • @emmaevans7011
    @emmaevans7011 3 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    In retrospect this interview must be humiliating for all involved.

    • @pete6705
      @pete6705 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      She caused humiliation for a whole lot of people. She really didn’t have a single doubter or skeptic in the media pre-2015. They all thought she was a genius/hero. There were tons of skeptics in the medical community, but no one ever asked them

    • @captainpawpawchannel
      @captainpawpawchannel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@pete6705 journalism gets worse and worse, lots of cons in journalism too

    • @lynnross3990
      @lynnross3990 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      With only $2.50 per test, she's planning on slaves to run the company.

    • @loveblue2
      @loveblue2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I would think it would be for everyone who stood up and rained accolades of awe, honor and respect on her.
      I would literally have withdrawn to live in a cave in the woods for awhile.

  • @safdarakbari
    @safdarakbari 5 ปีที่แล้ว +163

    What amazes me is that she survived 16 years without having to go live with a technology that actually did what she claimed it did

    • @bonjovirocks24
      @bonjovirocks24 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Exactly!

    • @westindiesgalfruits2335
      @westindiesgalfruits2335 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Right 🤔

    • @franriding6473
      @franriding6473 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Nda's and having powerfull people as board members. We can't tell anyone are secrets otherwise our competitors will steal them.

    • @TheVertigoalley
      @TheVertigoalley 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@TruShibes Agree, but someone with so little background in medicine, laboratory science, and engineering is unlikely to make breakthrough technologies in a highly competitive field.

    • @WolfieLovesDaddy
      @WolfieLovesDaddy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Fake it till you make it

  • @firdosvohra4315
    @firdosvohra4315 6 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    This was literally right before WSJ broke her story. She's hiding many secrets in this interview.

    • @safdarakbari
      @safdarakbari 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      F Vohra they could not do less than 10 out of over 200 tests she claimed they did with their own machine

    • @leukdagen11
      @leukdagen11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hiding secrets and lying outright throughout.

  • @umersheikh9870
    @umersheikh9870 5 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    So many people and institutions feeling absolutely idiotic today

  • @Foxie635
    @Foxie635 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    To make this world a better place? Start with being a good and honest person.

  • @csours
    @csours 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Thank you for preserving this recording.

    • @commonwealthclubworldaffairs
      @commonwealthclubworldaffairs  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Our pleasure!

    • @jaredneilsen
      @jaredneilsen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great point! Many publishers would have removed this out of shame of association - classy move Commonwealth club

  • @franci.f.
    @franci.f. 5 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I have worked in the startup world since 2008 and I have to admit that less someone knows about a certain topic and more he/she is able to be recognized as a "visionary" and more people follow her/him. Because it's a world full of ignorant young arrogant "dreamers" that ridicule real experts who spent years studying and practicing in that field(scientists, lawyers etc).

    • @theresachung703
      @theresachung703 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Francesca such insightful comment.

    • @gabrielgonzales5907
      @gabrielgonzales5907 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes, it's like what's called the "Dunning - Kruger effect."

    • @sca8217
      @sca8217 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      When it does work, you get a Steve Jobs. When it fails, as it does more often than not, you get this mess.

    • @meganmcdonald5229
      @meganmcdonald5229 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Very true. People are sadly dismissive and sceptical of experts there days.

  • @hzhu8686
    @hzhu8686 5 ปีที่แล้ว +116

    I blame her parents for “taking it so seriously” when she thought she was designing a time machine at age 9. She said many times that her parents made her feel that there is nothing she cannot do....including stupid things and dishonest thing. Confidence only works with wisdom, not stupidity.

    • @moonchildpink5525
      @moonchildpink5525 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      H ZH delusional comes to mind. We all must live in reality & can not create a new " peridiam " for the entire world.

    • @socksumi
      @socksumi 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      This was back in the day when adults would spare no effort to raise a kid's self-esteem; even lying to them and fawning praise where it's not deserved. So a generation of kids grows up with false sense of themselves thinking they can do no wrong. What's the harm?... Elizabeth Holmes is text book example. She's the kind of monster that kind of thinking creates.

    • @bahmanvr3094
      @bahmanvr3094 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Based on what you say tesla was a stupid person too.

    • @bahmanvr3094
      @bahmanvr3094 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Kapil Lakhlani That's true and in some rare lives is a great thing.

    • @franci.f.
      @franci.f. 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Ok true, but we are all responsible for our own mistakes and blaming parents is something I don't accept when someone lies so much. There is no good reason to steal money from investors that could better use those money and fake results to patients. Someone may say she s crazy so she don't deserve to stay in prison but she perpetuated criminal conducts.

  • @bonjovirocks24
    @bonjovirocks24 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Her tagline “never having to say goodbye too soon, to someone you love”. People didn’t challenge anything further than thinking she could stop death. Crazy.

    • @jojob285
      @jojob285 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      exactly, she was inventing an integrated testing device and not some sort of revolutionary medicine that will cure cancer..but she made it sound like that.

    • @loveblue2
      @loveblue2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That particular quote of hers drives me crazy. I lost my mom to complications from Alzheimer's in 2009. Even if she had lived 300 years, I wouldn't have been ready to let her go. We're never ready to lose a loved one, which makes that stupid quote of hers meaningless.
      Can't you just picture her rehearsing that line over and over in front of a mirror, like she's known to have done in those days? She's the only person I've ever heard of who actually rehearsed her bs.
      The fact that she actually got away with something of this magnitude, that involved SO MUCH MONEY and for so long just astounds me.
      Her September 2022 sentencing should be interesting.

    • @bonjovirocks24
      @bonjovirocks24 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@loveblue2 YES!!! WHAT YOU JUST SAID!!! I’ve never been ready for “saying goodbye”, which I rarely got to actually say to most people I loved who passed away. I’ve only been able to say that to a few pets over the years, after exhausting every single chance, medication, surgery, food changes (which they never ate), subcutaneous fluid therapy, thousands of dollars that I spent & gladly would have paid quadruple, if it meant more time. Death is inevitable but it’s beyond painful, no matter how long you have. As you succinctly stated, 300 years still wouldn’t be enough time!! I’m so sorry to hear about your Mom. 💔💔 Overwhelming grief is so painful.
      Elizabeth is a narcissistic sociopath. I can picture her rehearsing that shit over & over in the mirror, until she wasn’t smirking. She’s a floating turd in the toilet that should have been flushed down long ago.
      The fact her CRIMINAL sentence is delayed until September 2022 is yet another crime in itself. I have lost faith in the justice system, as she will likely get a “Lying Jussie Smollet” sentence... in & out of jail within hours, to wait for an appeal. Meanwhile, the people she harmed, including patients, doctors who may have had malpractice lawsuits, investors & folks who were qualified for awards she received- all of these people are victims.
      As Elizabeth “danced”, she still believes “you can’t touch this”, without any remorse or empathy, let alone, REAL consequences so far. 🤬🤬🤬

  • @ferociousgumby
    @ferociousgumby 5 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Her voice is a lot higher in this one! Almost like normal. I just listened to another one which sounded like she'd just chugged testosterone.

  • @redmed10
    @redmed10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    She never mentions that her father worked for Enron. She knows what information will help her and what will hinder her.

    • @MochaHammy
      @MochaHammy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brutal 😂😅😂

  • @JewandGreek
    @JewandGreek ปีที่แล้ว +3

    45:00 "What do you imagine Theranos to be like in twenty years?"
    A defunct organization that serves as a reminder to maintain scrutiny and regulatory oversight of startups from college dropouts in the biomedical field.

  • @prometheus5700
    @prometheus5700 5 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    I love this. Watching a true criminal talk (bullshit) herself up to the legend she is in her own mind. With 3 semesters of college under her belt, and more ego and hubris than you could fit into Oracle Arena, forward march. Then the bunco scheme surfaced. Steve Jobs? Try Bernie Madoff.

    • @FrankGutowski-ls8jt
      @FrankGutowski-ls8jt 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      She was always coaxed by interviewers to play up her legendary status, despite never understanding any of the details that supposedly made her one.

  • @Sills71
    @Sills71 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    The very idea that more medical testing was even a good idea was wrong. Americans don't need more testing. Americans need to exercise, eat better, lose weight, stop smoking and drinking. Taking more tests and thereby being prescribed more drugs is not going to achieve anything beyond further enriching the pharma and medical industries.

    • @horaciocapanelli-soto4710
      @horaciocapanelli-soto4710 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree. Americans also need to deal with their emotional issues. Those issues are a big part of the bad health our country suffersZ
      Mental health has a big impact in our physics health.

    • @pupasarus
      @pupasarus 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Applause

    • @michaeljordan5639
      @michaeljordan5639 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'll be right back I need a smoke

  • @easystreet1888
    @easystreet1888 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I will shed no tears for Elizabeth when she's led out of the courtroom in handcuffs.

  • @v.krishnankaushik9812
    @v.krishnankaushik9812 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    When asked what theranos do, she respond the mission and vision of the company and not the about theranos.

    • @realascanb222
      @realascanb222 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would answer the question of what my company does, I would state the mission and vision. That's the point. What did you want her to say? I work for a large international company, I would have to give the short story. Not the thousands of things we do per day.

    • @WRCWPLX
      @WRCWPLX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@realascanb222
      When you're stating a mission, it has to be supported with the HOW that MISSION will be accomplished! I can't just say, "Our mission is to REVOLUTIONIZE the healthcare industry by "CURING" ALL types of DISEASES, REGARDLESS of the stage of progression of the disease, bla, bla, bla, bla..". Ok, sounds like a great mission, BUT how am I going to accomplish it? "Oh, it's PROPRIETARY technology that, for obvious reasons, I cannot disclose, BUT, TRUST ME, it's a great technology..". Really??? If you had been an investor, I have NO doubt you would now be weeping for that LOSS!

  • @carolmahoney2109
    @carolmahoney2109 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Mark Twain's quote, It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled, rings just as true today as it did 150 years ago.

  • @peterkropotkin6224
    @peterkropotkin6224 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    My favorite fact about this interview is that it was published about three weeks before WSJ published Carreyrou's first article and tipped the first domino of her downfall.

  • @deepgeny1
    @deepgeny1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    She is the perfect example of confidence without clarity

    • @keep-ukraine-free528
      @keep-ukraine-free528 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      She's the perfect example of psychopathy. Dangerous, yet so adept at hiding her predatory motives.

  • @banjo2019
    @banjo2019 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    She’s a genius, at using many words to say very little.

    • @AntLox
      @AntLox 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Chemistries.

    • @jamiethompson1008
      @jamiethompson1008 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      In the context of. Chemistries. Infrastructure

  • @scoochmar
    @scoochmar 5 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    It’s a shame Meryl Streep isn’t 25yrs younger!

    • @rm-gq1nb
      @rm-gq1nb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Didn't she call Harvey W. god?

    • @easystreet1888
      @easystreet1888 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think Jennifer Lawrence will do a great job in the film.

  • @StopMoColorado
    @StopMoColorado 7 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    So many fawning DUPES! Theranos never revolutionized anything but VC-hustling...so sad.

    • @ferociousgumby
      @ferociousgumby 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Now being compared to a Ponzi scheme.

  • @101LakesNetwork
    @101LakesNetwork 4 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    I was so much in love with science I dropped out of college!

    • @melaniewalker5226
      @melaniewalker5226 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      😂

    • @laurasogliuzzo3072
      @laurasogliuzzo3072 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahahahahahahah the best comment!

    • @jamiethompson1008
      @jamiethompson1008 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Really in the context of Elizabeth Holmes she is only a highschool graduate by definition.

  • @3vimages471
    @3vimages471 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Go To Jail. Go directly to Jail. Do not pass Steve Jobs, do not collect $10 billion.

  • @FrankGutowski-ls8jt
    @FrankGutowski-ls8jt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I love hearing, in retrospect, as here, the lore and sheer awe of E Holmes, during the glory days of her media outreach phase.
    As usual, she talks about everything except the enabling tech.

  • @tjsogmc
    @tjsogmc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    She did make it 16 years before somebody actually thought about asking if the product worked or not. As a scammer, she's got to be the best who ever lived.

    • @stephaniesamra7960
      @stephaniesamra7960 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They did in particular the Walgreens or was it Walmart- 1 of them wanted to see the lab and that was no go area!!! And then they gave her 125m dollars.

    • @robertj5208
      @robertj5208 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Walgreen

    • @meganmcdonald5229
      @meganmcdonald5229 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Trump

  • @nancydrew1882
    @nancydrew1882 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    She says the same thing in every interview, yet she takes a 1000 years to get her answers out. What a buffoon.🤨🥴

  • @k.chriscaldwell4141
    @k.chriscaldwell4141 5 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    I can't get enough of watching this psychopath. Her money grubbing lies about caring mixed with her wide eyes trick and affected voice is just incredible.
    _"Ignorance is Strength." I'm weak._

    • @patlnina17
      @patlnina17 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Blue eyed blond.

    • @brysonwest93
      @brysonwest93 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same here! Not sure why. Except maybe I'd like some of that charisma.

    • @steamedhamlet
      @steamedhamlet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I like that she dyes her hair and wears copious amounts of make-up bit wants to convey this image of a plain nerd that wears black because she doesn't care what she looks like... and that grating baritone voice. So many stories are saying she really believed in this project but she never did she just wanted to be "the next big thing" and didn't give a crap about real patients' suffering and treated them like guinea pigs. Fake from top to bottom.

    • @Otis-Tank
      @Otis-Tank 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In the context of context, her use of the word context was out of context within the means of context, through the context, allowing the context to create the context.

  • @tomchang1647
    @tomchang1647 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    This story is incredibly fascinating as well as frustrating. Everyone must read the book to get a better understanding of the whole issue. This interview is very interesting. I think you can actually tell when she's fabricating some of her stories to fit Sal's questions to elicit an emotional response from the audience.

    • @phyllisfoster6589
      @phyllisfoster6589 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's what good con artist do!!

    • @keep-ukraine-free528
      @keep-ukraine-free528 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@phyllisfoster6589 That's an oversimplification. Con artists are simple people who lack skills/intelligence to succeed -- so they resort to basic lying to survive. They're basically a simpleton.
      This is different. It's psychopathy. Some psychopaths are smart, but they still choose to manipulate and be predatory toward their victims, which require skills far beyond mere lying. Predators use sophistication.
      Psychopaths have diseased minds. Con artists don't.

  • @alfalfa2155
    @alfalfa2155 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’s wild to think that this interview took place only 20 days before the Wall Street Journal article that ended her business came out.

  • @blackdogslivesmatter1568
    @blackdogslivesmatter1568 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    She might want to use her "time machine" and go back in time and finish school and stay out of jail. I almost had this test done but it didnt sound right to me.

    • @qtaro-7097
      @qtaro-7097 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      K.A. GORDON shouldve done it tho for experience lol. then go to a clinic and do real bloodwork to see the fuckery

  • @sallyb7472
    @sallyb7472 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Her worst offense is bring a baby into her world. Go through your trial if you know you are innocent then get pregnant. No, she knows she is guilty of fraud and is now using an innocent baby just as she used innocent patients for her own edification.

    • @andrewashmore8000
      @andrewashmore8000 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well while its highly cynical she got pregnant , at the same time its also highly practical or even essential she become pregnant before the trial, she could be menopausal by the time she gets out. I dont care the lads lost 700 million im more concerned for the lives of her employees she tryed to ruin directly and indirectly.

    • @Yuyayayu872
      @Yuyayayu872 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andrewashmore8000 she lives in a $100 million house, she could freeze her eggs or use a surrogate. She has so much money. It is sickening.

  • @AndreAndFriends
    @AndreAndFriends 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    23 min. This lady cannot tell the difference between biotech & chemical engineering. Very different.

    • @bonjovirocks24
      @bonjovirocks24 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I’m blown away none of the interviewers challenged her when she didn’t answer a question. Neither did any investors.

    • @seapod
      @seapod 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bonjovirocks24 neither did you. I love all the hindsight comments in here like yall would've known..LOL! Ok

  • @patrolmi5977
    @patrolmi5977 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    She could be a great Scientologist leader

  • @warrenrab
    @warrenrab ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Elizabeth Holmes ought to spend the rest of her life in prison to atone for the damage she did to those "employees" in Theranos that she destroyed and those that were victims of her fraudulent blood testing con.

  • @melflo4651
    @melflo4651 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Mr. Khan , I support and donate money to your organization; I will not stop doing it because of this interview. However, I hope you will be careful from now on.

    • @qtaro-7097
      @qtaro-7097 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mel Flo exactly! why sal?! why? u should know her tech is pure bs. lecturing me physics and bio and all 😭

  • @sgauntt
    @sgauntt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    First red flag is she doesn’t use any technical jargon at all throughout her talk.

    • @andrewashmore8000
      @andrewashmore8000 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Indeed or any pride in the innovation that created the new product. There was no innovation so nothing to talk about.

  • @annasanta9103
    @annasanta9103 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Can we also talk about Elizabeth Holme and Theranos Legal team and also their HR team ? When I read the Bad Blood book reported by the Wall Street journal writer, it seemed like MANY MANY MANY good and professional people left the company and LOTS LOTS LOTS of turnover and MANY MANY people complain to the company of their poor management style by Sunny and Elizabeth and their terrible wrongful doing of lying to the public, investor and also the patients , but HR from Theranos never helped the colleagues , no one in HR help the colleagues that had been threaten and harassed by Sunny and Elizabeth. This is extremely harmful, should we also talk about the HR in that company ????? They should be held accountable as well !

  • @biancakaye2721
    @biancakaye2721 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lord. Hysterical. No one made her show anything. She showed up empty handed to every interview. Nothing. No numbers, nothing.

  • @Frankybeanselevators
    @Frankybeanselevators 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Reminds me of Nelson Bigheads character in Silicon Valley, he worked at Hooli and convinced Gavin Belson that he had a brilliant idea to make head phones that you could control with your mind. He comes up with the big ideas, it's the peons who work in the labs who have to hash out the easy part of figuring out how to do it.

  • @stewartkee6115
    @stewartkee6115 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Wow, this sounds fascinating. If only I could get in on the ground floor.

  • @jbt6007
    @jbt6007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Elizabeth Holmes: Performance Artist

  • @lynnross7513
    @lynnross7513 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The essence of the con is not just ripping off investors, but playing with people's lives. That's the psychopath in her: talking about sick people who have flown to Arizona to go to her Theranos labs, or the quadriplegic who they pricked the nub at the end of his "arm."
    She never talked about the moment in research when her lab supposedly succeeded in this incredible discovery. That's a big missing link in the story. Any scientist wants to describe the moment of success.
    She would rather talk about the Girl Scouts and empowering little girls; another phony story, since her board consisted of males. Not to mention more vulnerable ones in their nineties, despite their life experience where they should have known better. She doesn't answer the question how she succeeded without knowing anything. Khan asked this good question, but didn't follow up and let her get away with continuous non-answers. I hate weak interviewers, because it only results in a soft marketing plug for a business, and worse if it's a fraud.

    • @FrankGutowski-ls8jt
      @FrankGutowski-ls8jt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lynn Ross
      Exactly. She was the master of pulling heart strings with hard luck medical stories.
      Missing from her soliloquies was how early detection was expected to pan out. She implied that it would change health care, but never addressed specific diseases, except diabetes. She at least twice mentioned a 17 year lead time marker for pancreatic cancer, claiming having done some work with researchers at Hopkins, but no such research was ever published.
      Yes, inventors share their experiences. No one ever asked her to discuss details of the invention process. He came closer than anyone to challenging her technical competency.
      She evaded questions about their technology, turning them around in a way that enabled her to replay her favorite talking points about fear of needles, finger pricks, access, convenient, low cost tests, and wellness centers’ spa-like ambiance.
      The ‘story’ that the media kept repeating was that she must have hit on something big because she had raised lots of $, had a distinguished board, was in cahoots with Walgreens, and dressed like SJ. Skeptics were dismissed as shills of lab industry incumbents.

    • @groundcontrol436385
      @groundcontrol436385 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      "She never talked about the moment in research when her lab supposedly succeeded in this incredible discovery." You know in all my reading and obsession with this craziness I never thought of that point. It's an excellent point. So often it IS the missing element that catches people up. Well done.

  • @slovokia
    @slovokia 7 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    Elizabeth should start a new religion.

    • @waynerivers3635
      @waynerivers3635 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      slovokia the farting fraud chapel of holmes

    • @cleofaspingarron
      @cleofaspingarron 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Theranos was run like a cult

    • @ferociousgumby
      @ferociousgumby 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      She has that habit of staring without blinking, the same as Marshall Applewhite and Jim Jones and other well-known cult leaders.

    • @kotare86
      @kotare86 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Holmatology - new religion based on bullshit interpretation of bogus blood results

    • @theresachung703
      @theresachung703 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is the best idea!

  • @annvroom5539
    @annvroom5539 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    in these PR sit-downs she always has the same biographical narrative that she spins - but in these settings she always left out any mention of her key, long-standing, intimate relationship with Sunny Balwani, both professionally and personally in the inception and evolution of Theranos - but, boy oh boy, a few years later when she was sitting on the hotseat in front of SEC lawyers, "Sunny Balwani" came out of her mouth at every key inflection point of inquiry

  • @audreymukeba5239
    @audreymukeba5239 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This interview could’ve been 17’ easily.
    More than an hour to repeat 🔁 the same words wow !!!
    I admire the interviewer’s patience…

    • @lynnross3990
      @lynnross3990 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Patience? It's just he asks really dumb questions.

  • @ferociousgumby
    @ferociousgumby 5 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    I always found her posture annoying - the foreward hunch/bowed head. What, she's faking humility or what?

    • @socksumi
      @socksumi 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Thrusting her neck forward assists in generating that baritone voice. It's all a carefully caluclated persona she creates.

    • @jestersdead6995
      @jestersdead6995 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      She is attempting to smell her own farts.

    • @safdarakbari
      @safdarakbari 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      She even faked her voice

    • @marufio
      @marufio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Her fake smiles and laughs.

    • @whoisdickieschnabel
      @whoisdickieschnabel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed.

  • @zootsootful
    @zootsootful 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    What gets me is how she deluded herself as well. Even faced with a complete lack of progress towards her stated goals, she actually thought that she could keep up this charade until the technology was attained, and that none of the brains she hired would catch on and spill the beans.
    Constructing that mindset is the only true feat she accomplished, and was the basis of the success she enjoyed for those few years.

    • @kennethsouthard6042
      @kennethsouthard6042 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Make no mistake, a lot of the "brains" she hired were looking to get rich off of the stock options, which explains why many of them kept silent. There was no point in stopping the train. In other words, blowing the whistle would have stopped their "money train" immediately and labeled them as a "snitch" while holding off could have potentially given the tech more time to catch up or at least give them time to cash out before the implosion.

    • @zootsootful
      @zootsootful 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kennethsouthard6042 Good point. Just goes to show what kind of world we've been living in. There's no vaccine (nor blood test) for THAT disease.

  • @adjusted-bunny
    @adjusted-bunny 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    A cholesterol test costs hundres of $ ? I am surprised how little she knows about the diagnostic market.

  • @101LakesNetwork
    @101LakesNetwork 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    In the context of context She's really brilliant she just asked her parents and their friends to start it and one guy gave a million dollars to invest.

  • @mk177
    @mk177 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "that's a lovely lovely voice" - Bane

  • @stevereichert1292
    @stevereichert1292 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Her Father was a VP at Enron! Apple falling from tree etc., etc.,

  • @ScottLongwellR
    @ScottLongwellR 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Holmes does an imitation of an old man. Deep voice, slow, halting speech ... curved, hunched back ... legs spread wide.

    • @jamiethompson1008
      @jamiethompson1008 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      She trying to be too manly for being an iron woman

  • @muradtalukdar4401
    @muradtalukdar4401 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I hope Sal does a video about how to make a fake lab on Khan Academy.

    • @wnd9434
      @wnd9434 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      That an insult to another the descendent of KHAN.

    • @FrankGutowski-ls8jt
      @FrankGutowski-ls8jt 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Murad Talukdar
      He could use clips from this in a video on how to tell a fraud from the real McCoy.

  • @lesterkok8819
    @lesterkok8819 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks to EH, the neologism Theranose in its verbal form as in to Theranose the investors, is born! ... Indeed, every so often PT Barnum's famous quote reverberates ever so resoundingly: there is a sucker born every minute.

  • @mollietickle
    @mollietickle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    47:00 her voice is normal!

    • @CepheiVV
      @CepheiVV 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      41:15 better

    • @Yuyayayu872
      @Yuyayayu872 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good catch!

  • @joshsteele5701
    @joshsteele5701 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Lol Sal drank the cool aid. I've watch many of his videos way back when he 1st started.

    • @pupasarus
      @pupasarus 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I know I'm such a fan of Sal. This is sad for him.

    • @Zayden.
      @Zayden. ปีที่แล้ว

      Sal is a company man. He was there to promote Holmes and her company, not to reveal the truth.

  • @WRCWPLX
    @WRCWPLX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    At 27:20-27:25, the interviewer makes a great point and SHOULD have been a RED FLAG that trying to accomplish such goal in the healthcare industry had NEVER been approached by anyone because of the responsibility and consequences that come with it!

  • @haivt5593
    @haivt5593 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    This person will do whatever it takes by any means including jeopardizing dignity to get what she wants.

    • @marufio
      @marufio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      She wants self importance and admiration.

  • @WRCWPLX
    @WRCWPLX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    45:45. "Are you seeing anyone?" She laughs and responds in a fake manner, "Oh, that's hilarious..", while in her mind, she's telling herself, "If they only knew the COO is my boyfriend and he's banging me everyday, while I'm able to keep this image of a sweet hard working girl dedicated"24/7" to changing the world!!"

    • @jamiethompson1008
      @jamiethompson1008 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think she was sleeping with sunny smalweeni for his money and then fired him when his money was gone.

  • @drones7838
    @drones7838 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I can’t get enough of this chick I can’t wait until she gets locked up for a long long time

    • @jamiethompson1008
      @jamiethompson1008 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me too. If I were the judge I would give her 20 years just for getting pregnant while going to trial.

  • @rajcan2008
    @rajcan2008 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Elizabeth should have been in politics not tech.

    • @guppy0112
      @guppy0112 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Or journalism!

  • @gwmendel
    @gwmendel 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    can i still invest?

  • @FrankGutowski-ls8jt
    @FrankGutowski-ls8jt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Professor Channing Robertson was deeply involved as her mentor and enabler, yet we’ve not heard much about his culpability: was he duped or complicit?
    Randomly open anywhere and be prepared to hear one of her well-practiced platitudes.
    56:40. Oooops...”you can’t compromise on quality here..it’s not a web site.”

  • @WRCWPLX
    @WRCWPLX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    45:20. Where do you see "THERANOS" in 20 years?
    Answer:. "Totally dissolved for defrauding investors, which consequently will have caused me to face criminal charges, but because I'm so smart, I would have come up with the idea of "duping" an heir to marry me and immediately have a child with him while facing criminal charges in order
    to create sympathy among the jury and the judge to AVOID going to prison, because it would be INHUMANE to send to prison a mother of a newborn baby! Once I walk free, then I would have divorced my DUMB, but rich husband, so I can take HALF of his fortune; at that point, after FOOLING everyone, I will have created "THERANOS 2.0" and continue the process of "DEFRAUD, DEFEND, WALK FREE, REPEAT"!

  • @ad_2211
    @ad_2211 5 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    All the problems she is describing are real and absolutely worth solving but sadly as we know now her solution was mere science fiction not reality.

    • @lynnross3990
      @lynnross3990 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@myrar2122 She brags and laughs that she didn't need Stanford -- while painting herself as a role model for girls to learn science.
      And REAL scientists have been working for years to run multiple tests. For Khan to be in "worldwide education" he seems like a
      really limited thinker. What an embarrassment for both of them!!

  • @johnpendarvis7885
    @johnpendarvis7885 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Her benign facade is very interesting when you read about how ruthless and dishonest she actually is.

  • @CepheiVV
    @CepheiVV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Listen from 41:15 she changes her voice

  • @reardelt
    @reardelt 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Thank you 240p.

    • @moiseskerschener2634
      @moiseskerschener2634 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Best resolution ever made! And the only one that should exist!

  • @whoisdickieschnabel
    @whoisdickieschnabel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It's funny. They always mention that letter she wrote to her father at 9 years old HOWEVER, they fail to mention her father was an Enron exec.

    • @nancyjones6780
      @nancyjones6780 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I notice that a lot of people don't mention that fact and I think it's important!

  • @KCFlyer2
    @KCFlyer2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It sound like she hadn't quite perfected her low voice when this was done.

  • @Drrn43
    @Drrn43 6 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    She's the new Pinocchio in healthcare! LOL! Med Techs should have been allowed to question her claims, bc that's their specialty!

  • @jamiethompson1008
    @jamiethompson1008 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In the context of, in the context of, in the context of, in the context of, in the context of, in the context of, in the context off, infrastructure, infrastructure, infrastructure, infrastructure, infrastructure, infrastructure, by definition, by definition, by definition, by definition, by definition , basic human right, basic human right, basic human right, engage , engage, engage, engage, engage. I'm learning in the context of Elizabeth Holmes that if you say these contexts over and over that you wont have to say goodbye too soon by definition.

  • @kathykisses09
    @kathykisses09 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I didn’t finish watching this interview...but does Sal ever ask her about how exactly her “innovative technology” works? He might have found her out if he had asked such a simple question.

    • @qtaro-7097
      @qtaro-7097 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      yes all these physics lessons and bio lessons that he did he could have seen through the bullshit if he did ask her. he was probably just paid to be there to make the event exciting. but damn he could check her out if he did ask abt the tech

    • @FrankGutowski-ls8jt
      @FrankGutowski-ls8jt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      kathykisses09
      I watched this long ago. There is a point where he seems incredulous, perhaps during her response to a question about the tech. I think he knows she’s a fraud, but gives her a long leash anyway.

    • @realascanb222
      @realascanb222 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      No she has a fabricated and vague answer to everything

    • @lynnross3990
      @lynnross3990 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Khan asks such stupid questions -- spent too long on her childhood which was just fine for Elizabeth. She is actually a dangerous person.

    • @Zayden.
      @Zayden. ปีที่แล้ว

      Sal is there to promote her company, not for education.Sal is a company man after all.

  • @jeankroeber2481
    @jeankroeber2481 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It is truly chilling to see this woman now in Feb. 2022, as we all await her sentencing which seems incredibly far away--in September. Everyone should read the book "Bad Blood" by John Carreyrou to see the sinister development of Ms. Holmes, including her deep voice.

  • @kennj321
    @kennj321 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I thought thernos was always technically controvesial because blood sample from a finger print aren't a representative sample. also, the storys i've heard that they put them in helicopter is pretty funny. helicopters are for trama and its obvious what wrong at that point. also helicopters don't want any extra weight. not to mention the extreme environment would constantly mess the machine up.

    • @FrankGutowski-ls8jt
      @FrankGutowski-ls8jt 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly. However, there is interest in battlefield testing, but delivered much more simply and robustly. For example, DARPA solicited proposals for blood and other bodily fluid tests that could be performed using simple pregnancy test-like tech. Diagnostics for All, which develops low cost tests for the third world, originated with that idea. DARPA continues to be interested in wearables that monitor and broadcast individual soldier health and performance. Obviously, these devices would have to be robust, requiring extensive field testing before being considered for deployment.

    • @jamessullivan4391
      @jamessullivan4391 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      WTF? Could you attempt to make sense?

    • @jamiethompson1008
      @jamiethompson1008 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why would the military be testing blood in a helicopter? They wouldnt have time for that if they are transporting. What good is that going to do?

  • @bossssss
    @bossssss 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the idea is brilliant versus execution being deceptive. Has any company followed up on the idea post theranos?

  • @richiekock8835
    @richiekock8835 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My father worked in the killing fields of Cambodia and I started Theranos to help people like ma ailing uncle who I did not care for at all and am only exploiting for my own personal interest(s).. horrible human being

  • @yiqingwen3230
    @yiqingwen3230 8 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    It now disgusts me looking at her talking/lying, does she know what shame is?

    • @prometheus5700
      @prometheus5700 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      no

    • @wnd9434
      @wnd9434 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Is this comment 3 years ago foresee what going to happened?

    • @apogeedesign4348
      @apogeedesign4348 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      WnD many of us never believed one single word that ever came out from her non stop oral diarrhea.

    • @socksumi
      @socksumi 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You have a rare gift of perceptiveness. While the mindless hordes were fawning and worshipping her you were able to smell a rat.

    • @adamkurtz5836
      @adamkurtz5836 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The story was blown open starting about a month later in OCT 2015. Starting with an article in the WSJ.

  • @pete6705
    @pete6705 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This was just a couple weeks before Theranos doomsday, when it all fell apart

  • @ghytgb
    @ghytgb 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    36:00 she can’t continue the fake voice anymore and starts going with her real voice! She tries it from the beginning of her talks and then drifts back to the real voice. She’s nuts!

    • @CepheiVV
      @CepheiVV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      41:15 is clearer

    • @Yuyayayu872
      @Yuyayayu872 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      51:28 also

    • @collette3741
      @collette3741 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CepheiVV omggg

    • @rajs7876
      @rajs7876 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      When she has to think it breaks sometimes

    • @mramirez5140
      @mramirez5140 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      1:06:13 too so much fake boice... high to lower n keep faking still. My second day watching about her. Idk her but now I'm watching her🤨 wondered how she is in jail?😝

  • @tonymacko
    @tonymacko ปีที่แล้ว +1

    She should have used her Time Machine to go into the future to see how the Theranos machine would eventually work, brought the technology back to the present and avoided going to jail.

  • @richardrutgard1847
    @richardrutgard1847 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hamlet:
    O most pernicious woman!
    O villain, villain, smiling, damnèd villain!
    My tables-meet it is I set it down
    That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain-
    At least I am sure it may be so in Denmark.

  • @debbiesunlight7047
    @debbiesunlight7047 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In Britain we have got healthcare when it matters .

  • @sgauntt
    @sgauntt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    26:30 he should have trusted his gut.

  • @NddSahKus
    @NddSahKus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    How many times can she use the words “in context of” for gods sake. Everything is she says is so much in the abstract. Total BS.

    • @hmartinspliff
      @hmartinspliff 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's interesting to watch these Elizabeth Holmes interviews _"in the context of"_ knowing she's a total fraud. Before, you might've taken her at her word....now, you can pinpoint the moments where she's flat out lying.

    • @lynnross3990
      @lynnross3990 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hmartinspliff "In the context" --- says it a million times. She can see how impressed people are in prison.

  • @SummerLuvr7
    @SummerLuvr7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    51:25 Yes, Elizabeth, what matters IS your actions and yours are reprehensible.

  • @Pinakij
    @Pinakij 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Truthfully I can't believe this video is still on line

  • @adventurebabyboomer7318
    @adventurebabyboomer7318 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Product could not do what it said it could do.........very Fundamental tenet flaw. Also those comprehensive blood tests require more volume which the "nanotainer" could absolutely not provide........ So basic.

  • @georgeholloway3981
    @georgeholloway3981 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can't believe this is still up.

  • @Asun888
    @Asun888 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Jump to 41:31 to hear her higher voice

  • @mefirst5427
    @mefirst5427 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is this the guy started Khan Academy? Even he was suckered into this frenzy

  • @elstongunn4277
    @elstongunn4277 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Ha, ha! So funny to look at these videos, knowing what we know now.

  • @tear728
    @tear728 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Not you too, Sal!

    • @qtaro-7097
      @qtaro-7097 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      tear728 exactly how the hell did he fell on this bs. i cant 😭😭

  • @Madmarsha
    @Madmarsha 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    She's good. There's actually a lot I agree with her on relating to having MY information about MY health to make MY own decisions. It's too bad.

    • @whatdoyoulivefor735
      @whatdoyoulivefor735 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, of course people want that. She's not "good". She knew people would love this idealized (impossible) way of obtaining information about their health, so she peddled a fantasy at the expense of every being to ever come into direct or indirect contact with her. She knew that she had no product, lied to everyone for 15 years, stole billions of dollars, and put tens of thousands of lives at risk. She is an utterly deluded sociopath, quite possibly even a psychopath. She is a very, *very* dangerous person.

  • @AnotherPilot1
    @AnotherPilot1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Much of her self-guided and self-serving giggling was woven into the interview to cast the idea that she was the Master of the interview. But substantively...her interview comes across as a sophomoric job interview.

  • @panaceiasuberes6464
    @panaceiasuberes6464 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Her father was an ENRON vice-president right at the time of the scam... you can't make this up.
    "her father worked for government agencies after serving for a time as a vice president at Enron. After Enron's demise, Christian allegedly asked for help from Joseph Fuisz's father, Richard, who let the Holmes family live in one of their homes. (Years later, Elizabeth Holmes would sue Richard Fuisz over a patent dispute.)"
    She sued that guy that prevented her family from going homeless.

    • @joeadams1225
      @joeadams1225 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Heya Panaceias, imagine them setting all this scam up and not thinking about an alert function for the patient G.P. ! Although, on reflection that would have blown the scam years ago. But still , to sue that man for exploiting a cock up in their structuring , what a piece, (right?)
      ☮️

  • @nycphillie
    @nycphillie 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    There was a Walgreens exec who thought she was FOS from the start. The narrator is having smoke blown up his behind and he's loving it.