Elizabeth Holmes Defends Theranos Amid Media Scrutiny At Fortune's Global Forum | Fortune
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*Takes a freshman level course in chemical engineering and drops out*
“I’m an engineer”
SuperAaron 99 I don’t believe claiming that you are an engineer is illegal in the US since I don’t think it is a reserved title. In Canada, this is illegal and known as usurpation of title since engineer is a reserved title like claiming you are a medical doctor or a lawyer
And no one called her out on it at the time. Had she held some sort of certification she could get away with that label. Hell, she could have taken a NICET exam to at least back that up, even if it had nothing to do with medicine.
She identifies as an engineer. Like a man can identify as a woman and vice versa stemming from a belief in gender fluidity......Elizabeth Holmes believes in qualifications fluidity.
@@BaliMystic No, with the exception of software, calling yourself an "engineer," with no previous work experience, and no bachelor's degree is a fraud. The difference is the fact that they could be sued as part of a civil action, but not a criminal infraction.
Software is different as there are old hands like me who have been plying that trade for decades without a specific degree. Plus, software is so loosey-goosey with titles that calling yourself a "software engineer," holds about as much weight as claiming you're the CEO of a company that employs one person: you.
@@BaliMystic i dont think its illegal in the US but there is still a difference between a real engineer and someone who knows alot about engineering. I dont know about other americans but i certainly would not consider someone to be an engineer unless they had a degree in some sort of engineering field, which she does not.
If you can’t convince them, confuse them.
Axl.W. Rose hahahaha
Axl.W. Rose So funny.....My though exactly.
If you cant dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with bullshit..!!!
Axl.W. Rose yeeeaaahhhh, but you kind of have to be well educated or at least well read to make that work... Hahahaha I don’t know who would listen to this and trust her.
@@leahdesmondart Men..:) Something kind of sexy about her...honestly..:)
She is a perfect example of someone who can talk a lot without saying a damn thing
No. Camala Harris is the master
@@dannnsss8034 Who is Camala Harris?
Architects are the same way. They speak archibabble and don't say a damn thing.
Aquarius energy
She must be related to Sam bankman-FRAUD
Doctors were literally saying that her claims were scientifically impossible because you couldn’t run hundreds of tests on a single drop of blood, yet companies were promoting her and publications were putting her on their covers. It’s pretty indicative of our anti-science issue, as well as believing what you want to hear over the facts.
ja, that's very america and very western people indeed
She is as fake as it can get from the voice and the looks but hey she is from a good American family so let’s help her! So it was the USA choosing to believe the lie because they loved that lie!
It’s impossible anyway because human beings are insanely different and vary significantly anyway, this is why you work with a doctor for sometimes years to find out what a certain complication is. You can’t test anyone reliably on a one size fits all test like this.
And the problem was not just tge quantity of blood vut the machine in itself....even with three vials of blood, iftge machine worjed, it would have been great. But it was all a fail 😱
@@michelleririn5075 lol that's very "western people" you mean the civilization that invented the scientific method and made about evry single major scientific breakthroughs of the last 3 centuries
How do people say, she is charismatic? She seems so creepy to me...
This is because you're biased. You do know she's lying.
Nicole Huber and goofy, at the same time.
the worst part is seeing a women who try to be like a man even in gestures(yeeewwww). fake women. women doesnt have to be like a man to be successful( real world example is gwynn shotwell of spacex)
@@CepheiVV not at all, Elizabeth's public speaking skills are underwhelming. I also struggle to reconcile the supposed irresistible charisma with the reality of this video. Very average indeed. She surely must have many qualities to have made it so far but charisma is not one of them. Ability to be factual either. Brings home how easily impressionable people are. Former politicians, company CEO's and high ranking military officials all fell for it and invested heavily... The scammers have a bright future ahead...
To me too, but I can't know how I would have reacted to her at the time. I only heard of her after the whole thing went down so my perception definitely changed due to that.
Her way of speaking is like trying desperately to reach the page limit on an essay
Haha. Funny
Exactly
🤣🤣 True
Page minimum lol
But she does what we all do to increase the number of pages - change the text size. For Elizabeth that increases the size to baritone and it worked.
The dramatic way she removed the nanotener from her pocket had me dying🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀
The cringe 😂
She was expecting a big gasp of wonder… and it didn’t happen.
😅😅
And the name "nanotener" 🤣
At 1:16 she says, “I’m an engineer” NO she is NOT. All she has is a high school diploma. It is difficult to become a real engineer. We go to college and do not drop out and then we work with integrity to make our profession a respectable one and earn our wages with truthfulness while solving problems to try and make the world a better place.
You sound like the high school valedictorian.
She worked for 10 years with some of the most brilliant engineers in the country. I think she earned the title of engineer. Despite what you may think of her, she is incredibly intelligent and extremely hard working.
It takes a masters level course (6 years of school) to get an engineering job. I’m an electrical engineering graduate.
@@derek7062what exactly did she learn in 10 years?
@@abdullahal-shimri3091 I cannot answer that because I am not her.
Listen - she had a lot on her plate
She had to figure out not only how to make all of Theranos’ claims true, she also had to remember to speak in a low voice
All day long
It’s not easy being that crazy
Indeed🤪😅
It would be exhausting!
She forgot at the end to keep her voice low, lol.
Also her wide open stare which made her eyes red of bleeding
While knowing that the shit was just about to hit the fan.
Interviewer: "Elizabeth, do you enjoy chewing gum?"
Elizabeth: "Gum a is a soft, cohesive substance designed in order to be chewed without being swallowed. Modern chewing gum is composed of gum base, sweeteners, softeners/plasticizers, flavors, colors, and, typically, a hard or powdered polyol coating. Its texture is reminiscent of rubber because of the physical-chemical properties of its polymer, plasticizer, and resin components, which contribute to its elastic-plastic, sticky, chewy characteristics."
She'll make a good press secretary... wishy-washy word salad psycho.
Underrated comment
LOL!!!
how do you know this much about gum? 😅
@@dewilew2137 I'm a genius.
Sir, can you help me with a term paper? 😆
It is stunning to me that this charade went as far as it did. It goes beyond the deception of Holmes and Bulwani. It’s a case study in manipulation, greed, pride, and self-delusion in a lot of people.
Very true. It's simple to analyze the psychopathy of Holmes, but it's much more interesting to look at everyone involved and how they deluded themselves, and also the small amount of good people that arose from the situation. Humans are strange creatures.
What's mindblowing is that her company had 700 employees at one point? WTF were they all doing when she was masterminding this huge scam?!
Solitaire?
They had to pay each expert a salary or hourly wage. And I’m guessing it wasn’t minimum wage. What a freakin waste of money..
They were running lab test the on the current tech and fudging numbers for Thernos tech
If you amassed hundreds of millions from investors, you have to have a number of employees that make your company look legitimate, or people will get really suspicious of you. Most of those employees had no idea about the "secret technology". Only a handful knew the "secret" scam.
Only certain people had the positions and access to truly see what was actually happening. People tried to speak up and speak out, but Theranos bullied anyone who tried through litigation and threats. If you see the interviews of the guy who ended up being the whistleblower, he said that he could only do it because his family had the ability to afford the legal fees it took to defend against their corporate lawyers. He said he was forced to spend HALF A MILLION dollars in about 6 months. There were apparently several employees who had problems with what they saw and left, but going up against a billion dollar company that can basically ruin your life is just not something most of these people could afford to risk.
Her B.S. response method:
Q. "Are you hungry?"
A. " some of the brightest minds and phenomenal people are not hungry because they've looked towards food ."
😂 straight up
@@SamShowedUp 🙏😂
Bro you got me😂😂😂
@@nehasingh-eg6bi 😁👑🙏
Sheldon answered
Teacher: "Elizabeth, what's the sum of 2 + 2?"
Elizabeth : "What we are trying to do is reach a conclusion that can be put out into the public domain that gives the individual the right to chose the correct answer. I think that our proposed agenda incorporates a multitude of complex features that will create a positive experience for each user, that will undoubtedly leave them with the confidence that they will be able to make an informed choice."
Ok, you are getting sued for revealing trade secrets
ROFL, I hope she goes to jail for a long time
I respect your skills :D
🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂
Lol she was imagining herself as Steve Jobs when she pulled the iPod nanotainer out of her pocket 😂
Interviewer: How are you?
Elizabeth: Thank you for this question and sometimes as a leader I think about the job we are doing at Thernos to establish that our devices are FDA efficient from a comprehensive framework viewpoint. We made this possible through redefining & replacing it with cutting edge, proven and complete proprietary solutions. Let's talk about why this is so important and how our story is such a compelling organization that patients, investors and leading medical professionals standby. Together, we are revolutionary in our approach, committed to appropriately levels of confidence in our product, data and strategy. I'm proud to standby and help lead an organization focused on low care, availability and actionable insights that align to our mission. We are leading the charge by being proactive and transparent that starts from our board down to the strategic minds that help us transform the space.
Most people: 😳😳😳
What? 🤣😂
Nice job, it's amazing how in PR dialect you can use 300, 500 words and say absolutely nothing, yet this template is so generic that it's applicable to any industry of your liking.
😳🤯😨😵💫
I am proud that he still can remember his original question after all that long distracting meaningless answer. That is hardest thing to do when you talk to paychopath liers
@AlbertaStrength 😂😂😂 omg LMAO
I noticed that with several interviews. She gives convoluted explanations and never answers pointed questions, but they never hold her feet to the fire. They always let her get away w it..
I noticed she had a hard time maintaining the baritone voice during this interview. I heard her natural voice more in this interview than I had in others I've watched.
@AlbertaStrength 😂😂😂
Hahahahaha hahahahahaha omg too funny and accurate
She is like a politician: she never answers the questions asked. It's like she wasn't even listening.
Thought I was the only one who noticed it. She answers the question she wants to, not the ones asked.
I came to a conclusion that only crooks get the funding and Investors to get far ahead. If you're a smart Crook, you get away. If you mess up as a Crook, I guess you go to prison.
Moral of my comment is to be a Crook and you'll get far!
She has a deep voice. Sounds like a tuba
"We need to do a better job of communicating" is what Obama said when he was caught in lies. Because the people are too stupid to understand.
If youve ever talked with schizophrenic people its similar. Its like they arent ever having the same conversation with you that you are with them.
She has carefully learnt a set of general answers that she applies to any possible question.
Actually, that very impressing
True
The "I'm an engineer' part always cracks me up.
There is something unreal and unnatural about her, it's like watching a very humanlike looking robot try to act like a human, this is the vibe I get.
God, you described my feelings EXACTLY!!
Agree! Everything about her is fake. And also what kind voice is that. Perhaps robot is trying to imitate human voice.
She’s a demon
@@Jaywall1111 Perfect description!!
@@phyllisfoster6589 there is something very, verrrrry off about her. No normal person could be so evil and have no empathy for the ones they hurt. It’s just so creepy…it’s demonic!
She couldn't fool a middle school chemistry teacher but she raised 9 billion..
😂😂
No raised around $900 M.
Well it's called greed. Basically there is nothing going on revolutionary right now and the Real Estate market is in the shit can, so what hope is there to make an extraordinary return on investment. All these investors were super wealthy people, so it's basically a tax write off. It's kind of like feeling sorry for Tom Brady for not winning a 7th Super Bowl.
$9B was a valuation of the company. Walgreens deal was $140M, then shit hit the fan.
Well, it’s always easy to spot the liar after the fact, but at that moment, she was being propped as the female Steve Jobs, people let their imaginations ran wild
@Gord Orvis great point
She said “I’m an engineer” - no she’s not - she only attended 1 semester of college. She’s nothing
Well she ran a 9 billion dollar company. So she was something.
@@sr-ty7gb no she didn’t - she swindled, lied and had a product that never worked
@@sr-ty7gbNo she is just a liar. As a scientist myself, I say that but you don’t need to be a scientist to tell that a lot of claims that she makes is fishy or unrealistic.
@@sr-ty7gb She ran a 9 billion dollar fraud, so yes she was something, a convicted career criminal who didn't earn an honest dollar in her life.
She deserves an Oscar for her acting. Look how many she fooled with her b.s. This guy just lets her roll over him. Astounding nobody seemed to see through it at the time.
I did. I called it out 20 years ago but no one believed me
Reminds me of Bernie Madoff.
I think he does a good job interviewing her. He asks right questions. Not too tough to scare her but not too soft to not have a meaning
The fake deep voice makes her sound like a teenager trying to convince the bouncer they're definitely old enough to get in
I don't think she knows how obvious it sounds
@@ShinkuGouki ik 😒
LOL
😂😂😂
McLovin
She lied within two minutes by saying “I’m an engineer.” As everybody knows she dropped out of Stanford after less than a year.
Graduating from college is not always a necessity.
Just look at Bill Gates
@@richbillionair Bill Gates was not involved in a health care company nor was Steve Jobs.
@@richbillionair exactly, but if you’re really successful, why lie? She could have said « even though I’m not an engineer, I achieved this and that,… »
@@richbillionair bill gates didn’t claim to be a doctor, an architect, an engineer, a nurse, a lawyer etc… those are regulated professions. If you don’t see the difference there’s no hope for you.
She called herself an "engineer" but completely destroyed any sense of credibility by regurgitating endless lies and bullshit.
"I'm an ENGINEER." On what planet is she suddenly an engineer?
She told this Lie in the first 5 minutes and he didn't call her on it.
It’s crazy how she talks and talks and talks around questions and never truly answers the questions asked of her. She is truly and pathological liar
In the TedTalk, it's almost embarrassing how much she tries to act like Steve Jobs. It's like a young teenager in their room emulating their idol.
Doubting Thomas it’s all so calculated. The way she leans in and slouches her back. The hand movements. The furrowed brow. It
She’s copied his mechanisms.
It's a simulacrum of Steve Jobs without any actual practical ideas.
Doubting Thomas
As a teen, I tried to imitate Rip Taylor.
Memo from the cemetery: After Holmes' performances, Steve Jobs wants to change his name.
She dropout of college after 2nd semester and she called herself an Engineer...oof
Kevi Knet
It’s her way of positioning herself as a victim. So focused on technical matters that she failed to recognize that evil incumbents were intent on undermining her.
You don't need to finish college to be an engineer. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Mark Zuckerberg ALL dropped out of college. That is not the problem. College was not going to teach those young men ANYTHING that they needed to learn to make billions of dollars. The difference is, Bill, Steve, and Mark all knew a thing or two about technology, people, reality, and accountability. Bill, Steve, and Mark all knew that they were accountable for the product they created in their dreams. Elizabeth's entire purpose was about AVOIDING ALL accountability. Say nothing. Play dumb. Obfuscate. She did that because the technology that she dreamed about, she didn't have the first idea how to create it and she refused to listen to anyone who she tasked to create it. Hers was the position based on pure feminism.
Paul Colburn
Ha ha. Armchair college guidance counselor....
@@FrankGutowski-ls8jt: let me guess, you work in Academia or higher education, right? LOL! Tell me Frank, what VALUE could Harvard University offer Mark Zuckerberg or Bill Gates that they needed to stay enrolled in order to learn? What could the #1 university in the entire world have taught either of those men that would have mattered one bit? Nothing. Same is true for Steve Jobs at Stanford, nothing.
Academia is good at repeating to students what other people have already learned and mastered. That's it. And if you are a smart person (but not SUPER smart) then academia is the place to be and work. And why? Because you are smart enough to understand (master even) all the things that everyone ELSE mastered that came before you. But that does little good at creating real wealth in the information age.
Elizabeth Holmes was writing C-complier operating systems for Chinese students at the age of 8. She was way beyond anything that Stanford was ever going to teach her. Dropping out of college was not the problem (never way.) Being a feminist and being unaccountable for her ideas, THAT was the problem. THAT is what brought her to ruin. Feminism said she didn't have to listen to a man tell her that no, this is not going to work and here is why. She refused to listen to other people doing the work, she just fired them and threatened them with lawyers. That is the feminist way. That is NOT what Mark, Bill, or Steve would have done to any of their engineers who told them that they couldn't build something. Instead, they would have changed direction and taken a different path.
Paul Colburn
Let me add, that at major research universities, professors are expected to create new knowledge through their research. The concept of creating knowledge by imaginatively applying knowledge rubs off on students. I was fortunate, academically, to have exposure to several Nobel prize winners. Seeing how they think is possibly more important to students than understanding the nuances of their research. So, I’d say that exposure to great minds is it’s own reward. By dropping out she discarded that opportunity.
i cant get enough of this modern day "catch me if you can" i cant help but be impressed that she was able to create an entire billion dollar company by scamming billionaires. its hilarious
There is something here that almost cries out to be harnessed. Like leashing the devil.
First they say you’re crazy, then they try to fight you, then you realise you are crazy.
The gestures, the word salad, the grandiosity and the unabashed bullshit are simply breathtaking.
and of course we have the Fortune journalist here here, trying to salvage what little credibility they have left.
Pathetic
Looks like a salted gold mine.
I'm reminded of Bre-X
Word salad,you piqued my interest
Yeah, definitely some steep pathology going on there
how she acquired $900 million is beyond me
@@theamjolnir9641 ..and that is ... NOT her fault
"I'm an enginee..." No, she is NOT an engineer.
+Harrison Brown Did Steve Jobs or Bill Gates claim to be engineers? Maybe Ms. Holmes "will make a bigger impact on humanity's use of technology and science" than all of us TH-cam commenters, maybe not. Until there's a body of evidence, skepticism is warranted.
Actually Bill Gates was very much a programmer. He did a lot of coding and was the lead code reviewer until other aspects of running Microsoft took up too much of his time.
Jobs was not a tech person by any means. But he hired and partnered with engineers. And whether you like or dislike Apple products (then or now), they weren't built or designed to save lives, as Theranos claims to do.
+Harrison Brown I interpreted Eric Dew's initial comment to mean Elizabeth Holmes is not a licensed engineer, though she claims to be an engineer in the video. When you countered by pointing out that Steve Jobs and Bill Gates weren't formally trained engineers, and that this suggests the term "engineer" is too narrowly defined, I thought it was germane to point out that Jobs and Gates made their contributions without claiming (to my knowledge) to be engineers, in contrast to Ms. Holmes. The key point of Eric Dew's opener wasn't whether Ms. Holmes has talent sufficient to be considered an engineer in-all-but-the-formal sense, but whether one may accurately refer to oneself as an engineer, if indeed one is not licensed as such.
I agree with your point that formal training and licensing isn't the sole measure of talent in engineering, nor many other fields. But, do you see how proclaiming a designation (like "engineer") that is generally understood to imply formal training and licensing, is worthy of a call to account in this context? Would you similarly defend a skilled EMT, who has saved many lives, referring to herself in interviews as a medical doctor, despite no medical degree, and no license? Given the current controversy that surrounds Theranos includes possible deception, I can understand why Eric Dew contradicted Elizabeth Holmes's loose self-proclaiming the "engineer" descriptor. However, I cannot fathom where Mr. Dew was headed with his follow-up comment.
+Harrison Brown My skepticism is toward your wager on Ms. Holmes's big impact on humanity, not the merits of Theranos technology, per se.
According to the definition of engineer, anyone who comply with that definition is an engineer. So she is right, if she is "a person who designs, builds, or maintains engines, machines, or public works."..But is she got an engineering degree?. Thats another case.
Fun fact. Elizabeths proprietary technology was actually just an easy bake oven. It was named “Edison” as an homage to the light bulb based cooking system.
11 years in jail is a extremely low penalty for her. Thats my opinion as an MD
I so want the interviewer to say to Holmes: "You didn't answer my question!!"
He didn't realise that she didn't
She is not answering any of his questions.
By the time she'd finished talking, he'd forgotten what the question was. Just as planned.
He understood what she was doing, he was just being a good interviewer and didn't stay on the subject. It's an interview, not a deposition.
@@ericwilliams8420 , I think if journalists conduct more depositions instead of sycophantic fluff interviews with questions like "what inspire you?" "do you date?" "what keeps you going" , perhaps people like Holmes here wouldn't get away with their psychotic behavior as along as they did.
She said here she is an engineer.....he should have stopped her right there and reminded her she dropped out if school within first one or two semesters.
So true.
What an insult to real engineers who labored long years of study, research and practice to be called “engineers”.
She got away with this crap because of worthless reporters that allowed it.
@@damesaphira9790 bingo…and this guy was one of them. He was too soft on her imo
@@krislv9219 of course most of those investors invested big money in her company , they also own the news and paper .
She doesn’t even know that “data” is the plural of “datum.” It’s not “that data,” it’s “THOSE data.”
"You put blood in here and the 100 tests comes out here. That's how it works. No more questions".
"I'm an Engineer".....Good For You,I'm An Astronaut,It's Awesome!!
Same lol 😅
I'm a maleacolagist check that
Malacolagist
I am cleopatra. No, better yet, I am Napoleon.
I am a model
She can speak volumes without actually saying anything. She should have gone into politics and perhaps be a President.
rmwtsou we’d all be screwed in that case
she said she wants to be a billionaire then marry a president not be a president
Why would u wish thar evil on us? 😂
She's alot like trump.
After she gets off Scott free that may be her next goal.
Watching the Hulu series really brings it back to this full circle. Just mind blowing.
That’s why I’m here too. Crazy story
When she is really nervous about answering a question and really squirming she forms an invisible shape in her hands and moves it back and forth so that the interviewer will focus on what's "in her hands" and not what she is saying.....EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
What I take away from all of this is....Dont start a business based on science if youre not a scientist.
Dig this phony-baloney promotional shot of phony Elizabeth in a phony lab in a phony lab coat!th-cam.com/video/kTO4BHxVhe4/w-d-xo.html
Exactly. All she had was an idea. The idea didnt work so she lied and made up fake cosigns by big companies. The only way she lasted so long is because of her blonde hair, blue eyes, and white skin, and... Being a woman. She's a liar with no experience. Just a regular person.
"I am an engineer". What a bullshit. "Our technology changes the world". Such a hillarious, fake statement.
@@ferociousgumby Does it have " *I dont' really care, do u* ?" written on the back? :)
No actually the point is don’t do business with a con artist
I love how when she says ' I am not a PR person ' he theatrically registers amazed disbelief. It's a hilarious moment. PR person is all she is.
i think at that moment he realizes how full of shit she actually is. Then he buries her even more with showing the Ted Talk.
Ya, she kept trying to say she’s mainly a scientist and engineer. But when the investigations started she completely flipped on that, and said she was just the CEO that was selling the dream, and didn’t know what the lab people were doing
I’m still trying to figure out how a dropout considers herself an “engineer.”
@@pete6705
Her going in and out of the voice is funny while watching this lolol it’s like a game 😂
Her saying ‘I’m an engineer…”…huge red flag! No, Elizabeth, you are not.
"I'm definitely not a PR person."
Of all the BS she spouts, that is the one thing she truly is.
Very true. She could have become rich as a PR person or in sales. She should have just chosen to sell a product by a company that actually worked.
Yes, in fact that is all she is. She says this to give her cover
@@Courage2006 good point, she would have been excellent at sales.
Reverse psychology, hiding in plain sight
@@giovannip8600
She wishes.
I'm a doctor not because I went to Med school but because I read WebMD when I'm feeling sick
Lol
Pubmed is better. 🥴👌🏻
I'm a starship captain.
Since I'm watching Star Trek.
Hahaha
I’m a historian because I watch the history channel
She's good at not saying anything while talking non stop
"A) the government, FDA, is making us do one test at a time for approval, but we could do more B) the magazines wrote incorrect facts about us to say we could do 200 tests on one pin prick. But we can do 200.". So, were the magazines wrong or not? Who told them you could do 200? YOU DID. Lies and self-contradictions all to see if obfuscation can keep the public still impressed with you.
She’s going to fry her vocal cords with that fake baritone.
Yes Elizabeth ,, What A joker A fool , probably A Demon..
Sad So , false.
She probably had to gargle between every interview and swallow a few gallons of honey.
Mike Phalin The opposite (Mariah Carey) is proof positive. In Mariah’s case, she frequented the Whistle Register. While she could achieve those notes, doing so repeatedly over time caused immeasurable wear that manifests in the form of nodules. Holmes will do the same, and as long as she tries to keep up this act, she too will experience vocal nodules. That’s my guess. I imagine when she gets out of the pokie we will all find out if she is still using that baritone and her voice cracks each time she tries to reach those notes.
As I listen throughout the video, I felt less annoyed whenever she is speaking at natural tone.
Elizabeth von Hillmann Margaret Thatcher did the same to be taken more seriously
Her dishonesty is theatrical. Sociopath.
Or she was so obsessed with her well intentioned vision that she neglected everything else
She looks like a painkiller addict to me honestly...
ella bee
New addictive hobby - watching Elizabeth Holmes lie non-stop in interviews played in a loop. She is one hell of an amazing pathological liar!!!
She should have been a cult leader.
Correct. She typifies the narcissist and sociopath.
Just the fact that she got hundreds of millions out of Murdock and DeVos makes hers a success story
The real problem here, the REAL problem, is not in any of the BS being spouted by Holmes. No, the real problem is summed up in the opening 30 seconds from what Alan Murray said. He, and people like him, just couldn't resist the opportunity to ride the wave of "the next big thing," without having the slightest clue about the waters they were wading into. Fortune Magazine featured her on their cover, which only furthered her reach and influence. So many supposed "smart" and rich people being taken for a ride by Holmes will be the lasting legacy of this absurd saga.
Pretty soon I’m gonna interview her on how to maintain a fake voice for so long.
lellen1986 hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha🙏🏼💯
it would be an interesting interview cause i really dont know how she was capable of this
Voice is trained. When I first started singing metal low I would get tired.
😂😂🤣
Lol oh gawd i luv u 4 dis comment bc as im watching her talk im lookin at her throat and tryna figure out is she talkin like that does she think it makes her more distinguish smdh oh Elizabeth dear sweet sweet Elizabeth!!!! The lesbians gonna luv u in prison!!!!
In retrospect, I'm either impressed by how she managed to pull this much off or by how many rich people can be fooled this easily.
I mean it was at a point in Silicon Valley where multi-millionaires and billionaires were throwing cash at any idea that had weight. I'm sure the investors that lost money on this made 50 fold on other tech startups founded in the valley and had no real emotional connection to Theranos.
@@Friendznco You make a good point, that amount of money is indeed like pocket change to these investors.
The latter, ie see Covid vaccine promises you’ll never get Covid. And by the way be sure and get the 49 boosters
@@kg7227 never ever was it said you will never get covid after taking the vaccine. it was said if you get covid that your chances of being severely ill or even dying is severely decreased. you sound like Elizabeth Holmes
@@kg7227 lol you’re dumber than Elizabeth Holmes
I never understood the end game. There was zero chance that this wouldn't end badly because the science wouldn't allow it.
I always wonder whether pathological liars like her believe what they’re saying, or know they are lying. Or maybe a little of both
1:13
Elizabeth: “I’m an engineer.”
Reality: “I’m a 1st year college dropout.”
While this whole story is semi entertaining, scandalous, and definitely grabs people’s attention because it’s so wild... don’t forget that there were actual patients that got screwed over by Theranos. I don’t know how she can live with herself claiming that she’s “helping people and empowering people to have access to healthcare”. It’s absolutely horrible what she did.
stealing money from rich is the only thing that i like about her.
She's nursing her ego which is most important, forget morality or anything remotely ethical. She's nuts!
She probably sleeps like a baby at night. Always has, always will. Her mental makeup is categorically different from a typical person, it's kinda obvious.
Absolute nonsense actually! Doctors go to school sometimes for almost a decade (like if they do subspecialties and fellowships) to learn to diagnose diseases, but she wanted to prove that worthless
and innocent people who lost millions
“This is what happens when you try to change the world” Elizabeth Holmes.
"When you lie, this happens." - Yoda
Change or cheat
Her sentences take more detours than a freeway under construction
She is so diabolically fascinating. I get the same feeling of awe watching her interviews as I do binge-watching Forensic Files.
I just don’t understand how people did not do their due diligence before investing 🤦♀️
@yellow spoon
What she was offering was revolutionary. Investors blindly gave her money, except medical company investors; they passed because they knew it was too good to be true; smart.
me too
I love her too I am as evil as she is!
I know! lol I keep watching her as well even though I know she is an evil POS! Her sociopathic ease with lying is very interesting. To lie like this is extremely insane. It is like she truly believes she will never get caught!
"Im an engineer" LMFAO she says it with a straight face too.
I was thinking the same thing, like whhhaatttt. You are delusional is what you are.
That constant nodding makes her look like a bobble-head figurine.
AFTER clarifying that she's NOT a pr person
so now we're just saying dream things
"I'm an engineer". No. You're a chemical engineer undergraduate drop out. Big difference.
She's an engineer. I took a first aid course and now I get to call myself a surgeon.
She speaks long, eloquent yet empty sentences.
“If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.”
Eloquent? She sounds like my 10 year old neice!!!
@@phyllisfoster6589 poor choice of adjective, my bad 🤣
@@7MonarC 🤣
Psychopaths are fantastic mimickers. They think they are more intelligent just by being able to form 'intelligent' conversation and how they posture.
It's extremely simple. Her claims are not only false, but blatantly so, fraudulent so. Her strength is not in development or research, but the ability to pathologically lie and cover-up fraud.
It's quite entertaining and a little frightening to look at comments about her from several years ago. Everyone seems to have bought in. They thought she was beautiful, charismatic, "hot", and a genius to boot. They wanted to work for her. The SAME VIDEOS are provoking an opposite reaction now, anger and revulsion. There's something going on here we need to pay attention to. It isn't just building up and tearing down, as we do to our idols. She has an energy that is something akin to evil.
This. Even after the scandal has been made public, people still think she was had amazing charisma to be able to convince all those investors, partners and employees into Theranos. No... She just lied. Of course people are going to invest if you present them a game-changing technology, with actual data (that was faked).
Well said.
I am an engineer? She was a high school graduate.
“Nanotainer”
In retrospect, it’s so obvious
She can’t even name a mentor.
The lying comes so easily to her. Clearly sociopathic.
“If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.”
I always thought I was stupid for not understanding what these CEOs and politicians were getting at and then I realized it's by design. Most are meant to confuse you so you can just trust them in their confidence.
There was a speech in the Eddie Murphy movie The Distinguished Gentleman after he got elected. “We campaigned on the issue, this issue is change, change for the future, if you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen, and in conclusion read my lips”
This is what she sounds like. A bunch of half sentences that say nothing.
Ha, ha. Perfectly stated.
And now… 7 years later, she hasn’t been sentenced yet. Sentencing is scheduled for a few weeks from now. The United States justice system has some major issues.
Quick to imprison someone who stole $50 with a death sentence but takes them longer to punish someone who stole/tricked people out of millions and could’ve had people killed….wtf
Elle entre pour 11 ans 3 mois en prison le 30 mai 2023, centre Brian...
"I'm not really a PR person." Yeah. Right. 😂😂😂
That's an insult to PR people. I think the appropriate term is either snake-oil salesman or bullshit artist.
She never answers a question either "yes" or "no" then with elaboration, she simply puts a bunch of words together. i've seen this ploy many times in my career but not, literally, every single question answered this way.
My next plan is to carefully study the cell.
Oh, the blood cell?
No, the one I’ll be sitting in for the next 20 years.
They don’t make crazy like that anymore, wow she is crazy
At about 3:48-3:52, a hint of her real voice slips when she says "a tiny sample using proprietary Theranos technology..." Probably because she was having to focus really hard on her spin.
Her voice slips many times. This woman is insane.
oh shit I heard that too!
4:36 to 4:40 also.
JEFFREY ROEDEL exactly. When she is not confident or thinking ( read lying) subconsciously she goes back to normal voice in her original voice. As soon as she understood this reporter bought her theory, she felt relieved and went back to fake voice.
I heard it too
she's hurting patients, scamming people and wasting everyone's time
So true. What a bloody waste of time!
She had a sugar daddy investor too. Another scammer
The thing that just stuns me is that no one was talking about whether it is actually beneficial for patients to have access to lab results… without giving them access to those who can help them interpret them and then manage treatment.
Let’s increase access to healthy foods, clean air. (And I’m a physician )
Her long elaborate CONVOLUTED answers are scary. She was in a place of power because of deception.
" I am an Engineer " - Starts with a lie to begin with.
Ankit Duttagupta she never finished her degree.... She was drop out
@@yellowstone4087 She literally went to school 2 semesters. I don't know about you but as an engineering student...most of those first semesters are spent on general education and MATH AND MORE MATH. Not on what your major is...how can she even say, "I am an engineer" with a straight face. Its such an insult to everyone that sacrifices having a life during college as STEM majors.
Every time she is asked a question she has a magical way to start answering with a proposed sophisticated vocabulary of taking about absolute NOTHING! Im sure she has developed it by experience
That's because she's a classic sociopath.
She’s a master at bullshit.
As an introvert, I envy those who could speak so much about basically nothing. I have a hard life as my speaking skills comprises of a very few words. Most people find me boring, so proportionally I have a few friends, who unfortunately happens to take advantage of my naivety. I wouldn't mind copying these ways of real life supervillains
Voice change at 2:02
The irony of her saying "We need to do a better job of communicating" as she's talking an awful lot without actually communicating a god damn thing.
Notice how she keeps reverting back to the talking point about rights and access to data. Ok, but does your device work?
nosuchthing8 this is fascinating. She has no idea what she’s talking about, and lying and dodging every question.
nosuchthing8
In another venue, when asked (by Katie Couric) about what the innovation was, she said that small samples enabled the testing of small samples.
nosuchthing8 hey listen, you have the rights to inaccurate test results. It’s called democratising healthcare. What she was doing was revolutionary. In the past if you want to order your own blood work and get crappy results that could kill you, you had to fly into a Mexico and cross your fingers. Now, you could have the same life threatening, shitty results for a faction of the cost and effort. #nanotainers
"No, it doesn't, but that's a minor point".
This whole story is absolutely mind-boggling. This woman is pretty much a monster.
I believe it, as she is now pregnant to delay her trial and use her baby to stay out of jail.
@@PungiFungi Exactly like Amy Elliott-Dunne did in Gone Girl
@@PungiFungi Would that work? Can she stay out of jail because she's mother to a toddler?
@@PungiFungi Lets be honest... she'll probably get a slap on the wrist when it's all said and done sadly.
I am engineer she says. Yes, sis, I am cosmonaut.
her body language speaks volumes.
The frustrating part in this video is not Elizabeth, it's Fortune magazine. They are still giving her a platform to spread her lies despite everything that came out by then.
Fortune magazine should be on trial for supporting the fraud
This was how they pulled off the scam, they only spoke to media and investors that had no medical/scientific background, so she could spew her gibberish unchecked. Only at the very end when the company was completely collapsing did she agree to finally sit down and talk to real scientists, and they just laughed at her. After that, no one ever listened to her BS again
@@theequalizer2727 lol 😀
Yes yes...everybody condoning her actions. If we were in her place we would already be behind b rs.
True.
We believe in it so strongly that we believe it to to be true.
-Elizabeth Holmes
Fake it until you make it.
-Elisabeth Holmes
yes, just like christians, or any religion
@@DeanWuksta how does religion come into play
@@Addy0401 faith is belief without evidence, just like her edison machine, she conned billions out of them all
@@DeanWuksta I agree ☝🏾
She was never an engineer. She was an engineering student who dropped out after one semester.
11.25 years
Not long enough.
"I'm an engineer." What degree? What certifications?
She dropped out in her first year of engineering.
That makes her a "fabricator", as in "liar".
She got accepted to a top university with many scholarships and honor classes so she's definitely an above average individual
No, nothing
Aj Maybe she conned her way into that as well.
I wanted someone to ask her: "You have no medical background. No one on your board has a medical background. So who's solving the ideas?"
She will just go into a rambling word salad and say she’s hired them
Solving ideas allows us to comprehend concepts from the sample of a few words, that makes us sound intelligent without the property of actually saying anything of substance.
You don't have to be a doctor to open a medical company. You can hire experts or sponsor someone with the original idea/knowledge/expertise. Money can do wonders.
"You see what's great about this technology is it brings accessibility to people, reaching across strategies to make a solution that nanotainers." is what you would get as a response
@@perspgold8945 And in a low voice, at that.
Great questions were asked. EH.’s Voice changed to higher pitch when she was not prepared. According to John Carryrou’s sharing, he was intimidated to have his article killed. EH was busy suing the whistleblowers as she was busy filling the holes that were showing up.
I've binge listening to Bad Blood on Podcast hosted by the WSJ journalist John Carreyrou. It's free and It's so good.
According to the Podcast, after this interview, The Fortune magazine retracted their story on Holmes saying they were mislead, and they changed her net worth to zero dollar!