llonden - It didnt’t stop George Schulz. He used the theranos tests personally and believed they were accurate. however the tests always took a vial of blood, not just a drop. and his his grandson was the whistleblower that finally brought theranos down. people will believe anything, even if the contradicting evidence is right in front of them.
She was asked to show how it works multiple times and she deceived them by doing tests via a different machine and pretending it was the Edison. They also asked if they could look inside and see how it works but she was very strict saying that it was a "trade secret".
Exactly. That they had not pursued patent protection, and that they had never published in any scientific journal should have been major red flags to every investor. Guess that's why no biomed VC's were investors.
nah, she dropped out *stanford*. like most entrepreneurs. people like that, think it's daring. she probably didn't do any of the research herself anyways, that's not her role. her role is to get investors and build up an image. elon musk didn't build a tesla and jeffrey bezos doesn't box amazon orders.
I thought the same thing, i believe that, in the beggining were the First investors came, she Said It would need 10~20 years to be completed, in that era after the year 2000, the New Millenium tecnólogy was a big thing and people get hyped for that, and only recently, everyone realized the stinky shit It really is.
she's a white women in america, top of privilege food chain. The funny thing is collage drop out genius in field that need formal training and no one question it. You people got water in brain or something.
@ungratefulmetalpansy yeah h pylori causes(i said that wrong its associated with ulcers but we dont really know if it causes it) it but so does stress and spicy foods. stress and spicy foods play a major part too
Researches shows the majority of people are unable to distinguish a psychopath or a sociopath from normal individuals; which is the reason why many of them climb the social ladders in politics, corporations, institutions, and are successful professionals. The “I Am Fishead” documentary is a nice reference of this phenomenon.
Because she isn't. That's a lie propagated to cover up the real reason people bought into her bullshit: because she has a vagina. The vagina pass allowed her to dodge and divert probing questions or have them not asked at all because people were desperate to believe she was real. So desperate that they deliberately avoided any line of questioning that might even suggest she wasn't being truthful.
@@Maniac742 That is also so true. In fact the partner is facing more severe accusation despite being less responsible than her for the mess at Theranos. He is just because he is a man. Just Because He is A man
That's just a lie. They probably saw right through her and just wanted to throw an investment to a wall and see if it sticked like many other times. They're throwing her under the bus to avoid the bad pr.
"But... big, blue, wide eyes! Vagina! Sweaters! You KNOW I'm just brilliant! I MUST be!" People _want_ to believe unbelieveable bullshit if it's in a pretty package.
Right?? And she's not even a good liar? I mean, the fact that she almost always smiles (well, kind of, because it doesn't reach her eyes), even when answering serious allegations, is unsettling. It's like she's lost touch with reality. My guess is that her fanaticism and complete blind faith in eventual success is what convinced the investors. She looks like someone who'd *kill* to make it work. And then everyone else was fooled by the massive financial backing into thinking this thing must be legit.
They were mesmerized by thought of cashing in on the next unicorn startup & resulting fomo, her looks and personality made the decision easier but were not the prime reason. There is a similar story about a high tech juicer called juicero (pure fomo)
@Glenn Repairs it's what she does best, 'sway' or manipulate people. You could be sure she's working her ass off day and night coming up with a sad & traumatic pity story to pull on the jury's heart strings.
@Glenn Repairs Her sentence for the counts the jury found her guilty of will be decided by the judge who presided over the trial. They're waiting for Sunny's trial to be over before sentencing Elizabeth.
I am reading a book now and She is definitely strange. banging her head to hiphop music on her way to work and had a relationship with a man who is about 20 years older and lying about even a small thing for example she sent an email she was not in the office but she was there,etc~~~
Sadly, I'm sure that his main motivation was receiving all that "superstar" credit and hype in order to sell the story and secure a high position job. Although it's nice to fantasize that ppl are capable of doing things simply for the well being and benefit of humanity
I'm not quite sure how she tricked all these people. Like sure, in the moment itself, the idea of this woman faking her voice and such seems so absurd that we instead opt to believe her. That part I get. What I don't get though is that this woman made herself stand out in multiple ways where I feel like the subconscious psyche would eventually say "something isn't right." Feels like you don't WANT to stand out if you're committing fraud and she stood out in spades. If I'm an investor and this woman with the deep voice that tries so hard to be Steve Jobs, never blinks and has very robotic movements doesn't show me the full process of the product and how it's produced, I start getting skeptical and asking why they don't wanna show it. This apparently didn't happen though amongst all those investors. Am I missing something here?
Longknife basically the journalist says without saying is that she honeypotted these old h0rny a$$ men into investing in the company. Sad really..... Crazy that a dropout at 19 gets initial funding because that’s the hard part lol.
Just for the record, she was paraphrasing my favorite philosopher, Arthur Schopenhauer, who said, "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
Every biochemist working in even a small town hospital would tell you that the idea was absurd. Just testing everybody for every marker known to man would just create a mess of false positives and false negative results. You need a doctor to make a list of possible diagnosis( with pretest probabilities) and lab test are there to confirm or deny the narrowed down possibilities. ( post test probabilities go high or down). That’s like the biochemistry textbook chapter 1.
I worked as an assistant at a lab a couple of months ago. I didn't even run the tests themselves but even just hearing Holme's ideas just seem off. Many times I've had to reschedule tests because not enough blood was drawn by our Phlebotomists, many times I've had to spin and separate tubes just to make sure there was enough blood to run multiple tests. Yet the technology to do all these tests from just a prick of blood was just around the corner? Either there was a breakthrough in technology or someone is lying.
@@Turtleman30 I just have the English equivalent to an American Associates Degree in Applied Biology, but was enough to work in a Veterinary Laboratory, producing a Prescription Only drugs, dual used in detecting bovine TB. That was under GMP/GLP, mean cleanroom conditions of 10 particle in
NO he’s not. The narrative of the femme fatale is something he’s pushing to make money on his freaking book tour. She didn’t pull the wool over anyone’s eyes - they ignored that her tech didn’t work and didn’t care because they stood to make millions upon millions.
@@bridgethenderson6849 I agree with you in the sense that I also believe they never checked it couldn't work and it didn't work. The pathologist blog author is one of the few who transparently showed his skepticism. t was actually clear she was always saying a mix of clichè sentences in S.Jobs style. I examine and evaluate up to 15 new innovative projects in the field of e-health every month since 2015 and the big issue in the evaluation phase is that VC and Angel Investors do not seek advising by real scientist/industry experts when they decide where to invest their money. First thing they should have done to detect her lie was checking her patent portfolio... since she just attended few chemistry classes she couldn't be the inventor in her more than 200 patents. Her employees could have been inventors, not her.
supertechnoman11 Psychopaths try to cover up the fact that they are psychopaths. The more intelligent ones are aware of their psychopathy and try to hide it.
I am an expert in this kind of technology. The rapid detection of small molecules from biological samples on a microarray is what I do for a living. When I first heard about Theranos several years ago, I spent about 40 min. online researching Holmes and the company. I quickly realized the whole thing was bullshit and would spectacularly fail. It took me 40 min. I can not help but think that if the investors and the media had spoken to ACTUAL experts in the field a lot of grief could have been avoided. It speaks to their incompetence that it got so far.
The problem with that type of thinking is that SpaceX was also derided when they said they were going to land their rockets. We all know how that turned out. Sometimes experts are stuck in the past.
That is not even remotely comparable. The better comparison would be if your plumber had told you he had solved fusion energy and you decided he was cutting edge and invested in it thinking "hey he is not an expert and is not stuck in the past". There is no problem in my thinking.
Landing rockets has always been regarded completely feasible, though. It's not violating the laws of physics or anything, it just takes precise coordination which wasn't ever tried out on a rocket that size before. SpaceX's idea was never about if it could be done but if they'd have the money to actually do it.
Walgreens somehow avoided all the shrapnel in this fiasco. They ignored their own, only consultant that tried to warn them that this device did not work and put it in their stores anyways and used this very dangerous faulty medical device on all their customers. I’m surprised the media and the public didn’t blast them more for their role in this
I doubt it'll ever work because it really violates a lot of the laws of physics, But even if some version of it ever was made to work, they wouldn't, it's marketing 101, when you promote your product, you don't want to remind people of disasters, you don't want to remind people that Theranos even existed or that your product is even remotely similar or related in any way, That's like an cruise line saying "we're like the Titanic but we won't sink", people will be skeptical to begin with and being reminded of Theranos will just invite an immediate comparison and scrutiny
@Jamilah Toenailkilla You do not need a centrifuge. There are tech for separating every molecule and inspect them one by one (used for extraterrestrial sample analysis). The real problem is first thing which you have mentioned, that stuff is not even in the sample, or not indicative of the larger real sample. There are lot of stuff which you can measure reliably in a single drop of blood, just not everything (far from it).
It's strange how Theranos escaped basic scrutiny for so long? There was no product. No technology. No papers. No designs. No results. Yet it raked in billions. Her smoke screen mustta been pretty slick.
i honestly lost some faith in humanity seeing so many just look the other way and go "herpa herp derp, nothin' to see here folks!". wtf is wrong with us as a species? we can create complex machines and control forces much greater than ourselves, and yet dumb shit like this completely fools most of us? wtf humanity? someone please tell me i'm not the only one who thinks this.
There was a product it just wasn't meeting expectation. It's not like she just did nothing and just bullshitted her way through, she did try to develop it but she has absolutely fuck all knowledge and when she saw she couldn't keep up to promises she lied her way. I think that she started the company with ambitions and ideas but when she realized her mistake in overestimating what she could do, instead of setting down and trying to think of a better idea she just forced her bullshit through
@@killman369547 I lost faith in humanity when so many people the world was going to end in 2012 because of a Mayan calendar but ignore the things that are actually hurting our world
Mr. Wizard Yes, it’s like these kids were trained to focus on making big money real fast, at all costs, scam included. The particular mistake on this one is that they pretended to defy the laws of biology, biochemistry etc. so to speak. So wrong in every sense.
Psychopaths are very smart when it comes to manipulating people but really bad when it comes to tasks that require long-term planning and analytical work.
Because most of these celebrities to Chief Executives to especially politicians are very much acting. Their fluff. It's theater. Their job is to full enough people with cash and others with cash and buyers of their junk they might produce. It's all a gimmick.
Plus it changes nothing ! You're a young woman and you have a young woman's voice , isn't it normal ? Have you ever heard of a male CEO try to sound like a woman ?
Steve jobs never struck me as charismatic he was fired from apple twice he new how to sell and recognise a good product the innovative force was xerox R&D called PARC. Bill gates also used PARC and also had helped save apple to protect microsoft look it ip folks.
@Maartje Goede Its even worse than you think... Her father was a former Enron Executive. Perhaps you know that company, perhaps you don't. Ask any seasoned crook of a businessman what Enron was known for and they may blush.
John Carreyrou is a hero. I bought both the audio book and a paperback of Bad Blood. This guys exemplify what true journalism was about. Just think about the number of people he saved by exposing Elizabeth the Queen of Fraud.
@@SidraAdele Looking forward to the last episode of the Hulu series tomorrow night. I've gotten so into this whole disgraceful scandal, too. Sunny's trial has started, so that's good. Ellzabeth will not be sentenced until Sunny's trial is over; that's why the government is waiting until Sept. to sentence her.
Rosamund Pike would be the perfect actress to portray Elizabeth Holmes, not Jennifer Lawrence. She has a similar tone of voice and even looks like Holmes..plus, with roles like Gone Girl and a Private War, need I say more?
Rosamund Pike is a great actress but unfortunately she's too old to play the part. Jennifer Lawrence is at least around the age EH was when she was CEO of Theranos.
except journalists should have been on the ball when she was spending other peoples money left, right and centre does noone any good reporting on her criminal activities AFTER she crashed
Lmao “ used to take for granted”. When 😂. “Restores my faith” lol, dude don’t be silly. Journalism has always been shit and will be for the foreseeable future.
@@p.p.8624 a lot of it is bs but there are good journalists out there, but that’s what the propaganda model does, it throws questions over anyone who questions and challenges it and tel you that only one person or group knows all the answers and they you must be subservient to them only
Seems like everything a democrat president says is wrong. Just like Obamas "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" or Bills "I did not have sex with that woman" Democrats are just bullshiters.
When I went on a job interview, something weird happened. As soon as I started to speak, my voice came out a little deeper, which was not intentional at all. But I ended up getting the job. I wasn't even aware of the deeper female voice being an impression of intelligence. Elizabeth really prepared herself well to fool everyone, even going octaves lower than needed.
That's her voice guys. A real con artist would try to have a charming voice, not an unusual voice. Her lack of eye blinking though... there's something off about that.
@@Cujo5 No. A deeper voice is associated with masculinity & thereby, "leadership qualities". And her unblinking eyes make her "look confident" (I don't know how the second one works)
@@vickie_g Not blinking suggests hyper vigilance. And some women do have deeper voices. That doesn't mean they're faking it. And quite frankly, if she was a con artist, she wouldn't pretend to be masculine when she clearly looks feminine. It would be too awkward. That is her voice, I believe it's tied to her serious attitude more so than some stunt she's pulling. I know women like that. A real feminine con-artist would play to her feminine strengths, not pretend to be male. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying she isn't dropping her voice. I just don't think it's to imitate a male. It's more about her serious attitude. People need to be careful: They know she's a liar and so they're looking for everything about her that's unusual and assuming that it's a trick or a stunt. It's confirmation bias.
My dad worked for Theranos when there was just 30 people. It makes me glad that people like Carreyou are able to step up and expose this mess. My dad has always suspected that Theranos was up to no good, but didn't have the proof to confirm this. Back in Theranos's early days the device already didn't work. One of the original ideas, using bioluminescence, barely worked. The next few incarnations worked just as well. My dad had always remarked on how she had such a silver tongue. Whenever she talked, the people followed her like peasants to a queen. In fact, my dad and his friend called Elizabeth "Q" because of this, short for Queen. That's probably where the term "Empress" came into being. She was a snake with a silver tongue. Some of you may ask why it was so difficult for someone to finally expose this mess, after all, just one person could have spilled the beans. It wasn’t that simple. Even from the beginning, Theranos had a full team of lawyers. Anybody who left the company was forced to sign a non-disclosure agreement, to "protect" their products. Elizabeth expected nothing but cooperation. Anybody who questioned her methods would get the boot. That was precisely how my dad got kicked out. He questioned her on some things and corrected her on others, and so he got kicked out. Even people who were extremely qualified for the job were kicked out if they dared to question Q. Everybody knew that the device did not work. The biochem guys knew it, the executives knew it, even the software engineers knew it didn't work. But if they dared to say anything, they would get kicked out and would face legal action from the team of lawyers. That coupled with her extreme popularity (she was very good at getting people on her side) silenced any possible whistleblowers. That's why only someone very rich and influential could have spilled the beans. Elizabeth essentially created something close to a "cult of personality" around herself. For example, right when Carreyou was publishing Elizabeth's crimes, rallies where the people would say "Fuck-you-Carrey-ou" happened within the company. Just wanted to give this bit of information.
Of course she was "popular". Teenage FEMALE in Silicon Valley starting a Revolutionary Company worth more than the Evil MALE Gatekeepers. The story was made for this SJW-laden climate. Anyone who questioned her would be labeled misogynist and sexist. Now that it has come to bite them in the ass the SJW-idiots like Buzzfeed don't want to talk about it lol. They don't even try to backpedal on all the Idol-worshipping they did. They just act like she never existed hahaa.
I can’t believe how you can give so much credit to a person that didn’t prove anything. They valued her company to 9 billions without having proof that the product was working for real.
Combination of ignorance and arrogance. They didnt understand medicine enough to know it couldnt work, and were too arrogant to listen to people who knew better.
I'd like to point out the integrity of Rupert Murdoch in this investigation. He had personal interest for the company not to go under and probably could have acquiesced to this woman's sociopathic tendencies, but he chose not.
I know this story is supposed to be about Theranos and Elizabeth Holmes, but all I can think about is how this is actually NOT fake news...I was beginning to forget what journalism looked like.
Oh man, the look in her face the couple of seconds just after that, the contractions and slight twitching... "Yeah sure" were probably the exact words going through her mind. Priceless.
What is truly heartbreaking about this story is that the underlying concept is brilliant. If she'd completed her training (rather than dropping out), identified suitability credentialed colleagues, and *taken the time* to test the device(s) appropriately without risking patients' well-being, it could have been a medical game changer, particularly in the U.S., where tests are so outrageously expensive.
It wasn’t threatening the healthcare industry. It hadn’t happened because it’s not possible. It was not a brilliant idea, just like selling magic potions that cure cancer isn’t a brilliant idea.
They were investors. When he painted her in that light is when he lost credibility for me. That, and trying to paint Murdoch like a victim. My hunch is that he's half speaking truth, half talking out of his ass a little bit.
If you've ever worked in an office with men and women and the bosses are men, you know exactly what happened. They trumpet every little thing the sweet pretty girl does, even if it's a 20th of what other less pretty people do in an average day.
Despiser Despised .... Wrong, Bush deregulation’s led to the crash...Don’t try to put the crash on Democrat’s, that’s BS .. You must have government oversight on big banking systems, big corporations OR they end up being our government and we have fascism, where private powers exceed our government powers, like what we’re seeing today, it’s dangerous ....
Despiser Despised .... Hey dip &$@ ... what did Wells Fargo just do with the 8 is great routine ? NO Banks are not regulated enough, republicans always dismantle what weak regulations exist allowing more scamming ... Wake the fuck up
I think the key difference is jobs entered new marlets(personal computing, cloud based streaming music, smart phones). Holmes was trying to disrupt current market. I think that is a lot harder. And when she realized that decided to take the path of fraud instead of forging ahead.
I love how honest this guy is, he openly admits it was his own newspaper that began putting her on the map and also admits that while there was some mistakes within reporting but doesn't use the time to lampoon other individuals. I honestly respect this man a lot, only after one video. Also good for reason to make a purely news video with someone who seems to be relativity statist, supporting the FDA and such.
@Bruce, yeah, he struck me as a representative of that long-lost art of investigative journalism. But I'd like to see him do an investigative report i.e. reveal the truth on something that doesn't affect the pockets of his employers but nonetheless important. If we are to keep in line with the original object of Inv. Jrlsm. Or something other than juicy social-business affairs that dum-dums can vent on. and see what platform he gets then. Is he honest when it sells or honest because we can hear him?
I may not have gone to an Ivy League school or have a startup at Silicon Valley but at least I have my pride and dignity. Be happy you’re not like this woman. Love your life.
I know it's not good to judge a book by its cover. . . but c'mon. . . shes got the crazy eyes. EVERYONE should have seen that and said "nah, no blinking, no investment, sorry".
I would guess that Scott Adams would say that all of that weird, deep-voice, wide eyed and never blinking are all persuasion techniques that are clearly very effective. Good persuaders are often viewed as being very strange to people unfamiliar to those techniques. But those techniques are still very effective.
She's a total turnoff and creepy. The only thing that made her effective was the pussy pass that a "young woman in tech" gets. She gave "progressive" press what they wanted.
Investigative Journalists like John Carreyrou are inspiring. This is what Journalism used to be about. Politicized. biased, partisan Mud slinging "journalists" we see on our screens drag Journalism in to the gutter. Journalists like Carreyrou will inspire some young people to become proper Journalists. Very good interview.
"Hello I have a weird voice, staring eyes & a box that does the impossible, give us your cash." "OK here you go have a truck load of cash, may I look at the box work?" "No, its a secret box." (Arseholes)
Ramon Suarez Ramon Suarez. They say there's no fool like an old fool. She used Blond hair, blue eyes, decent body and (likely) some "know how" in the bedroom on the RIGHT OLD FOOL. I saw a picture of the two of them together; it looked like she was escorting her Grandpa somewhere. And I guess there was more than one old fool according to this interview. One thing the net sure has shown ME... and that is how truly SLIMEY some people really are.
True, but nobody seems to be pointing out that this absolutely required unmitigated rank stupidity on the part of the investors. This was not a remotely clever or sophisticated con, at all, and her biggest mistake was to part from their money fools with the means to do something about it.
There's a lot of subtext here in this video which also makes me wonder about her relationship with these older men. I mean, just look at her boyfriend.
Of all the interviews I've read and seen regarding the Theranos scandal, Reason TV's is by far the most insightful and entertaining. I especially loved it when Mr. Gillespie asked Mr. Carreyrou about all the old guys on the board who had their vanity flattered by Ms. Holmes' attentions, a subject hilariously addressed in the 60 Minutes film "Blood Money" released in August of this year.
+LN B Holy crap, that's such an obscure reference yet I had exactly the same thought five seconds before reading your comment. Sounds and looks like Romy.
It's not her natural voice. She's intentionally making it deeper to sound more like a man because she thinks it will help her be taken more seriously. Instead she sounds like a lunatic.
"Glass ceiling" is a business term used to describe the under representation of women and minorities in executive positions. She is essentially making an analogy for a breakthrough for women in high level positions, which ironically enough didn't work out to well for her lol.
That's the most infuriating thing about this whole mess, it was just a bunch of clueless politicians and business-people jerking each other off while the people with actual medical qualifications were buried under NDAs and threats of legal action.
I remember seeing interviews with her before the story broke. It made no sense to me. It appeared too staged and the finger prints of a giant PR operation. It looked like a sales stunt.
Because it's fake. You can hear her real voice here, 50 seconds in player.fm/series/biotech-nation-radio-podcast/episode-18-26-unedited-2005-interview-with-elizabeth-holmes-recorded-at-kqed-in-san-francisco
Perhaps it’s time to start questioning young peoples abilities to “revolutionize” anything? I find it very strange that no one seemed to question a 20-something persons competence and knowledge in an area that even to an outsider involves a lot of high tech and advanced research.
The whole women in STEM thing is a big reason why the media never called her out. They didn't want to be labeled as a sexist or trying to hold a woman back. If you can find the sensitivities in things you can exploit them wonderfully.
She's not devastated at all that they didn't ' catch those issues and fix them sooner ' ..she's just devastated that people were SMART ENOUGH to SEE THROUGH the CRAP and THE LIES .
She was a clever con artist who told people what they wanted to hear. It's a famous trope by the radical feminists that corporations have a "glass ceiling" that prevents women from achieving CEO status. She was faking confidence that made investors think she was competent. They don't call them "con" artists for nothing!
Another lie by Elizabeth was when she said that doctors depend a 70% in blood test to reach a diagnosis. We don't rely heavily in imaging or bloodwork as many people think we do, actually 70% of a diagnosis comes from the Clinical history where the patient tells me whats the reason of their visit to my office, I grab all this info and put it together with the patients non pathological and pathological background, then I do a physical examination and by this point I already have a diagnostic suspicion and then we ask for exams so we direct this properly because if a person comes with a abdominal pain Im not going to ask for Brain CT scan or ask for Rheumatoid factor. Is very rare the case in which we send people to get tested before we have a partial diagnosis at leas
@@morrisgordon9618 she has clips with her voice slipping to normal and then she gathers it back to lower tones on her next sentence. It is said that this is some kind of narcissistic behavior to impress people.
Other similarities: Both were huge assholes. Among other things, Jobs tried getting out of paying child support for his daughter by claiming in court he is sterile, and he never paid more than the court-assigned amount even after becoming a millionaire while she was still a minor. Jobs also was involved in questionable medicine. After he was first diagnosed with cancer, he spent a year trying alternative remedies, which medical professionals believe cost him his life. And then there was the part where he tried all the possible legal finagling to get himself pushed ahead in the organ transplant recipient list.
Jobs wasn't an inventor, no. He was a conductor: he found the right people, then enabled those people to do things they couldn't have done otherwise. You don't need to be an inventor to change the world. Elizabeth Holmes was a crook and a liar who enjoyed Steve Jobs cosplay- they couldn't be more different.
How stupid is it say „don’t worry about the future, we are in good hands“ when referring to someone who is a youngster without any expertise or experience ? That seems like reverse ageism and pure idiocy, especially when it comes to fields where you absolutely need a lot of knowledge and experience.
exactly, just like FTX and their staff of pothead dropouts who were not qualified, yet they duped millions out of their life savings, yet even so-called experts like Kevin O'Leary were on board praising them until they got exposed, I'm no smart guy but when you see this what this woman did to supposedly intelligent people, I have to wonder if you're so smart, why didn't you do your sue diligence before endorsing such a fraudster?
First they think you're crazy, then they fight you and then turns out you were crazy all along.
Wish I was crazy, that I could get investors to give me billions lol
Correction: Crazier
@M T Victim?
LOL-awesome, dude!
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The turtle necks of Steve Jobs, the soulless eyes of Zuckerburg and the voice of Megatron. How could you not like her
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Love it
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Its always in the eyes, batshit crazy
LMFAOOOO
5 words to prevent you from getting scammed..."Show me how it works"
llonden - It didnt’t stop George Schulz. He used the theranos tests personally and believed they were accurate. however the tests always took a vial of blood, not just a drop.
and his his grandson was the whistleblower that finally brought theranos down.
people will believe anything, even if the contradicting evidence is right in front of them.
That's the lesson that we seem to never learn, the more outrageous the claim the less people ask questions. Don't ask me why? It just is!
She was asked to show how it works multiple times and she deceived them by doing tests via a different machine and pretending it was the Edison. They also asked if they could look inside and see how it works but she was very strict saying that it was a "trade secret".
@@DeadPixelZombie she could be just watching Netflix inside her secret lab.
Exactly. That they had not pursued patent protection, and that they had never published in any scientific journal should have been major red flags to every investor. Guess that's why no biomed VC's were investors.
She dropped out of school and NO ONE questioned her about her knowledge of medicine, chemisrty or engineering?
Do you mean Bill Gates? Oh wait..
@@playamusa bill's ms dos is nothing compared to this. That's like comparing the maker of flappy bird to the maker of those blood oxygen detectors
nah, she dropped out *stanford*. like most entrepreneurs. people like that, think it's daring.
she probably didn't do any of the research herself anyways, that's not her role. her role is to get investors and build up an image. elon musk didn't build a tesla and jeffrey bezos doesn't box amazon orders.
@@juliamaria3807 nah, something like biology requires a lot of experience.
@@exMuteKid I was referring to the fact that Bill Gates got into the medical field with no credentials just like this dude...
Wait, she founded the company at 19 and is now 35. So she was just bullshitting for 15 years?
I thought the same thing, i believe that, in the beggining were the First investors came, she Said It would need 10~20 years to be completed, in that era after the year 2000, the New Millenium tecnólogy was a big thing and people get hyped for that, and only recently, everyone realized the stinky shit It really is.
The entire medical industry is fraudulent!!!
@ungratefulmetalpansy
Really? They just told my grandmother like one year ago that she got them from stress and medicine
she's a white women in america, top of privilege food chain. The funny thing is collage drop out genius in field that need formal training and no one question it. You people got water in brain or something.
@ungratefulmetalpansy yeah h pylori causes(i said that wrong its associated with ulcers but we dont really know if it causes it) it but so does stress and spicy foods. stress and spicy foods play a major part too
People keep saying she's charismatic and magnetic, but I'm just not seeing it.
Researches shows the majority of people are unable to distinguish a psychopath or a sociopath from normal individuals; which is the reason why many of them climb the social ladders in politics, corporations, institutions, and are successful professionals. The “I Am Fishead” documentary is a nice reference of this phenomenon.
Because she isn't. That's a lie propagated to cover up the real reason people bought into her bullshit: because she has a vagina. The vagina pass allowed her to dodge and divert probing questions or have them not asked at all because people were desperate to believe she was real. So desperate that they deliberately avoided any line of questioning that might even suggest she wasn't being truthful.
agreed! she is far from attractive & that voice is just weird!! Plus she looks like 25 going on 60.
@@Maniac742 That is also so true.
In fact the partner is facing more severe accusation despite being less responsible than her for the mess at Theranos. He is just because he is a man.
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He is
A man
That's just a lie. They probably saw right through her and just wanted to throw an investment to a wall and see if it sticked like many other times. They're throwing her under the bus to avoid the bad pr.
I don’t see how people were mesmerized by this woman. 5 minutes of black turtle necks and deep man voice and I’m annoyed beyond belief.
"But... big, blue, wide eyes! Vagina! Sweaters! You KNOW I'm just brilliant! I MUST be!" People _want_ to believe unbelieveable bullshit if it's in a pretty package.
Right?? And she's not even a good liar? I mean, the fact that she almost always smiles (well, kind of, because it doesn't reach her eyes), even when answering serious allegations, is unsettling. It's like she's lost touch with reality.
My guess is that her fanaticism and complete blind faith in eventual success is what convinced the investors. She looks like someone who'd *kill* to make it work. And then everyone else was fooled by the massive financial backing into thinking this thing must be legit.
This thing definitely doesn’t have a vagina.
@Nyree Harris Girls have those. I looked into it. It's called a "pussy pass". "You HAVE to believe me cause I'm a woman!" That shit.
They were mesmerized by thought of cashing in on the next unicorn startup & resulting fomo, her looks and personality made the decision easier but were not the prime reason. There is a similar story about a high tech juicer called juicero (pure fomo)
Im sure she's actually flattered about the movie. Some of these sociopaths dont deserve that type of recognition...
You know she is, watch how much she also uses it to her Advantage once she gets out of prison for only doing two years
@Glenn Repairs it's what she does best, 'sway' or manipulate people. You could be sure she's working her ass off day and night coming up with a sad & traumatic pity story to pull on the jury's heart strings.
Come through with the truth! 💯 👏🏾 She will get out, then proceed to write an autobiography, and benefit from that venture.
@@magical8013 Yep, I'll bet that's all she serves - and they'll knock some time off even that.
@Glenn Repairs Her sentence for the counts the jury found her guilty of will be decided by the judge who presided over the trial. They're waiting for Sunny's trial to be over before sentencing Elizabeth.
She is really, really strange. Why is everyone calling this "charismatic"?
I am reading a book now and She is definitely strange. banging her head to hiphop music on her way to work and had a relationship with a man who is about 20 years older and lying about even a small thing for example she sent an email she was not in the office but she was there,etc~~~
Erin Schultz because she’s white.
LianaCatherine19 how does that relate tho?
carlos Rivas she is?
The halo effect.
Theranos just sounds like a made up corporation from a bad movie.
bakery clerk lol it’s gonna be a great movie!
haha so true
i can see theranos in one of those starship troopers propaganda bits.
With a robot founder to boot.
@Auntie Geigui THEIR ANUS
Props to that one ethical journalist that brought this whole thing down. He should be a superstar for life
His book is terrific. I read it twice. And he's cute to boot.
@@janne639 "And he's cute to boot". We don't care.
John Nastrom Alright buddy, calm down
@@johnnastrom9400 somebody's mad 💀
Sadly, I'm sure that his main motivation was receiving all that "superstar" credit and hype in order to sell the story and secure a high position job. Although it's nice to fantasize that ppl are capable of doing things simply for the well being and benefit of humanity
This reporter needs a raise he’s super intelligent /competent.
She sounds like a 15 year old boy trying to convince the liquor store employee not to ID her.
@@buchichu7034 Yeah that's not her real voice right?
Rugg0064, I remember there being a clip that caught her slipping up, but only briefly.
Rugg0064 Yup, not her real voice she uses the deep “baritone” voice became she claims it makes a woman more respected and more feared
I'm not quite sure how she tricked all these people. Like sure, in the moment itself, the idea of this woman faking her voice and such seems so absurd that we instead opt to believe her. That part I get. What I don't get though is that this woman made herself stand out in multiple ways where I feel like the subconscious psyche would eventually say "something isn't right." Feels like you don't WANT to stand out if you're committing fraud and she stood out in spades. If I'm an investor and this woman with the deep voice that tries so hard to be Steve Jobs, never blinks and has very robotic movements doesn't show me the full process of the product and how it's produced, I start getting skeptical and asking why they don't wanna show it. This apparently didn't happen though amongst all those investors. Am I missing something here?
Longknife basically the journalist says without saying is that she honeypotted these old h0rny a$$ men into investing in the company. Sad really..... Crazy that a dropout at 19 gets initial funding because that’s the hard part lol.
Does she and Zuckerberg have the same vacant gaze, or is it just me?
Syntaxus Dogmata no mistake, you're right. They can be twins.
Post a photo - we need to see how you look to know if you also have a vacant gaze
😳 👈 Best I can do.
Zuckerberg is much more feminine than her.
Yes,Dogmata they do look like cult members.
I've watched several documentaries of this same story; it NEVER gets old
Me too. It's quite interesting.
same here
same here
I’m a little obsessed with this story because of how bizarre it all was
@@geensjc me too lol
Just for the record, she was paraphrasing my favorite philosopher, Arthur Schopenhauer, who said, "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
Add plagiarism to fraud
@@pretorious700 I don't think you understand what plagiarism is
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I rather see Anne Hathaway starring in a movie about Elizabeth Holmes. She'd perfect that wide- eyed gaze
Nailed. Dye her hair blond and she would look very similar to Holmes.
Yeah but Anne Hathaway's wide eyes are inviting, seductive, mesmerizing; Holmes's wide eyes are unnerving, robotic, inhuman
Good shout! Or, Margaret Qualley.
BANG ON.
They say jennifer lawrence may be playing her, i dont like her at all
In a british newspaper somebody said: "Elizabeth Holmes wanted to be the millennial Jobs, but she ended being the millennial Madoff".
😂😂🤣🤣🤣
True though
Truly an embarrassment to my generation.
Lmao
Well yeah and wasn’t her dad one or the Enron creeps???
Never trust someone who's eyes are that open
I thought it was belladonna, the drug an optometrist uses to dilate your pupils, used back when by Borgia women to make them beautiful.
Eyes wide shut
👁️👁️
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez eyes
That's those psychopathic eyes that Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos have
Every biochemist working in even a small town hospital would tell you that the idea was absurd. Just testing everybody for every marker known to man would just create a mess of false positives and false negative results. You need a doctor to make a list of possible diagnosis( with pretest probabilities) and lab test are there to confirm or deny the narrowed down possibilities. ( post test probabilities go high or down). That’s like the biochemistry textbook chapter 1.
Sounds like the misuse of the PCR test for viral detection and diagnosis.
My first thought was 'So where do all the reagents for 200 tests fit?'.
No, that one is about amino acids.
I worked as an assistant at a lab a couple of months ago. I didn't even run the tests themselves but even just hearing Holme's ideas just seem off. Many times I've had to reschedule tests because not enough blood was drawn by our Phlebotomists, many times I've had to spin and separate tubes just to make sure there was enough blood to run multiple tests.
Yet the technology to do all these tests from just a prick of blood was just around the corner? Either there was a breakthrough in technology or someone is lying.
@@Turtleman30
I just have the English equivalent to an American Associates Degree in Applied Biology, but was enough to work in a Veterinary Laboratory, producing a Prescription Only drugs, dual used in detecting bovine TB. That was under GMP/GLP, mean cleanroom conditions of 10 particle in
This guy is what reporters should be.
My thoughts exactly.
How bad is he gonna feel when she goes postal...
NO he’s not. The narrative of the femme fatale is something he’s pushing to make money on his freaking book tour. She didn’t pull the wool over anyone’s eyes - they ignored that her tech didn’t work and didn’t care because they stood to make millions upon millions.
@@bridgethenderson6849 I agree with you in the sense that I also believe they never checked it couldn't work and it didn't work. The pathologist blog author is one of the few who transparently showed his skepticism. t was actually clear she was always saying a mix of clichè sentences in S.Jobs style. I examine and evaluate up to 15 new innovative projects in the field of e-health every month since 2015 and the big issue in the evaluation phase is that VC and Angel Investors do not seek advising by real scientist/industry experts when they decide where to invest their money. First thing they should have done to detect her lie was checking her patent portfolio... since she just attended few chemistry classes she couldn't be the inventor in her more than 200 patents. Her employees could have been inventors, not her.
Never trust a person who doesn't blink.
supertechnoman11 Psychopaths try to cover up the fact that they are psychopaths. The more intelligent ones are aware of their psychopathy and try to hide it.
Especially someone with that much white in their eyes.
i wish she doesn’t say me good night
I am an expert in this kind of technology. The rapid detection of small molecules from biological samples on a microarray is what I do for a living. When I first heard about Theranos several years ago, I spent about 40 min. online researching Holmes and the company. I quickly realized the whole thing was bullshit and would spectacularly fail. It took me 40 min. I can not help but think that if the investors and the media had spoken to ACTUAL experts in the field a lot of grief could have been avoided. It speaks to their incompetence that it got so far.
Hopefully you shorted it.
The problem with that type of thinking is that SpaceX was also derided when they said they were going to land their rockets. We all know how that turned out. Sometimes experts are stuck in the past.
That is not even remotely comparable. The better comparison would be if your plumber had told you he had solved fusion energy and you decided he was cutting edge and invested in it thinking "hey he is not an expert and is not stuck in the past". There is no problem in my thinking.
Landing rockets has always been regarded completely feasible, though. It's not violating the laws of physics or anything, it just takes precise coordination which wasn't ever tried out on a rocket that size before.
SpaceX's idea was never about if it could be done but if they'd have the money to actually do it.
Unfortunately it was not publicly traded.
Walgreens somehow avoided all the shrapnel in this fiasco. They ignored their own, only consultant that tried to warn them that this device did not work and put it in their stores anyways and used this very dangerous faulty medical device on all their customers. I’m surprised the media and the public didn’t blast them more for their role in this
"Government" run health care at its finest.
@@globalresearch4180 That's literally the opposite of the government. The government was responsible for getting Theranos shut down
@@wal_pur_gis After they created Theranos and stole billions
The strange thing is, this reporter looks more sorry about the whole affair than the actual criminal.
Because he actually has a conscience
She’s very practiced at lying so it’s no surprise she’s still able to put that same lying face on now.
Conscience, care, and integrity!
Why should she? She got what she wanted.
His reward will be in heaven....He knows that he uncovered a DS CIA/Pentagon special opp...that is why he looks like his dog just died.
When someone finally gets this tech right, I've got a great marketing tagline: "Like Theranos, but for real"
GREAT LINE
I doubt it'll ever work because it really violates a lot of the laws of physics,
But even if some version of it ever was made to work, they wouldn't, it's marketing 101, when you promote your product, you don't want to remind people of disasters, you don't want to remind people that Theranos even existed or that your product is even remotely similar or related in any way, That's like an cruise line saying "we're like the Titanic but we won't sink", people will be skeptical to begin with and being reminded of Theranos will just invite an immediate comparison and scrutiny
@@cet6237 This guy gets it!
@Jamilah Toenailkilla what if you jump up and down to shake the blood in you before you draw it?
@Jamilah Toenailkilla You do not need a centrifuge. There are tech for separating every molecule and inspect them one by one (used for extraterrestrial sample analysis). The real problem is first thing which you have mentioned, that stuff is not even in the sample, or not indicative of the larger real sample.
There are lot of stuff which you can measure reliably in a single drop of blood, just not everything (far from it).
It's strange how Theranos escaped basic scrutiny for so long?
There was no product. No technology. No papers. No designs. No results. Yet it raked in billions. Her smoke screen mustta been pretty slick.
Ananth Arunasalam it was absolutely brilliant
i honestly lost some faith in humanity seeing so many just look the other way and go "herpa herp derp, nothin' to see here folks!". wtf is wrong with us as a species? we can create complex machines and control forces much greater than ourselves, and yet dumb shit like this completely fools most of us? wtf humanity? someone please tell me i'm not the only one who thinks this.
There was a product it just wasn't meeting expectation. It's not like she just did nothing and just bullshitted her way through, she did try to develop it but she has absolutely fuck all knowledge and when she saw she couldn't keep up to promises she lied her way. I think that she started the company with ambitions and ideas but when she realized her mistake in overestimating what she could do, instead of setting down and trying to think of a better idea she just forced her bullshit through
Pussy is a hell of a drug
@@killman369547 I lost faith in humanity when so many people the world was going to end in 2012 because of a Mayan calendar but ignore the things that are actually hurting our world
All credits for Carreyrou. The world need reporters like you! More than ever, maybe.
Intelligent enough to rip everyone off, not intelligent enough to get the platform to work...
Mr. Wizard Yes, it’s like these kids were trained to focus on making big money real fast, at all costs, scam included. The particular mistake on this one is that they pretended to defy the laws of biology, biochemistry etc. so to speak. So wrong in every sense.
She was clever but not intelligent at all.
Lol 😂
Psychopaths are very smart when it comes to manipulating people but really bad when it comes to tasks that require long-term planning and analytical work.
Mr. Wizard Or to find a reason for constant excessive testing- All is better! Oh, neglected to ask medical professionals...
i literally cannot listen when she uses that fake low voice, how did no one realize it was fake for so long? seriously it is SO BAD
Because most of these celebrities to Chief Executives to especially politicians are very much acting. Their fluff. It's theater. Their job is to full enough people with cash and others with cash and buyers of their junk they might produce.
It's all a gimmick.
jmitterii2 capitalism manifest
Plus it changes nothing ! You're a young woman and you have a young woman's voice , isn't it normal ? Have you ever heard of a male CEO try to sound like a woman ?
SinistaN Chicks with dicks
Steve jobs never struck me as charismatic he was fired from apple twice he new how to sell and recognise a good product the innovative force was xerox R&D called PARC. Bill gates also used PARC and also had helped save apple to protect microsoft look it ip folks.
Nobody:
Elizabeth Holmes:
👁👁
She is definitely on something
🧿🧿
Em Gee Beat me to it
Breanna Joseph 😬
Came here for this. Thank you
Don’t forget she used her rich father’s connections to get started to begin with.
Yeah, the idea that (if succeeded) she was the first "self-made" female billionaire always amuses me.
...who later sued her for copyright infringement
@Maartje Goede Its even worse than you think... Her father was a former Enron Executive. Perhaps you know that company, perhaps you don't. Ask any seasoned crook of a businessman what Enron was known for and they may blush.
Her father was an Enron executive...apple didn't fall far from the tree
U fucking serious
Bruh
The *Apple wannabe* sure doesn’t
She was also an heiress to the Fleischmann fortune...until her relatives lost it.
@@LESTR97 I see what you did there ! 😏 +1 for you
A Wall Street Journal reporter who did his job!
don’t fall
for it...
wrote about 2 stories.
The man cares about quality over quantity
FAKE NEWS
And sadly his boss is the largest investor for this fraud
@@jacobkhu-oldacc.4491 his boss stood up for him when Elizabeth personally asked him and I quote "Delete the story and bury it" so...
John Carreyrou is a hero. I bought both the audio book and a paperback of Bad Blood. This guys exemplify what true journalism was about. Just think about the number of people he saved by exposing Elizabeth the Queen of Fraud.
Exactly...this was actually about science, medicine and those things impact real people's life on a whole other level...he did a fantastic job.
Such a well written book, too! The real story is even more intriguing than a novel.
I’m hooked! Never heard about her until I watched the show on Hulu. Just ordered the book from Amazon. Can’t wait to read it!
@@SidraAdele Looking forward to the last episode of the Hulu series tomorrow night. I've gotten so into this whole disgraceful scandal, too. Sunny's trial has started, so that's good. Ellzabeth will not be sentenced until Sunny's trial is over; that's why the government is waiting until Sept. to sentence her.
If you like good reporting check out the Boston globes spotlight series on the Catholic church.. exceptional
If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bullshit.
~The Elizabeth Holmes story
That's it! I'm buying a black turtle neck sweater!
Lmao bro I wear that shit around and these investors FLOCKIN
Clint Lovewinds 😂😂😂
Being a sociopath also helps.
Then what?
You know it.
Rosamund Pike would be the perfect actress to portray Elizabeth Holmes, not Jennifer Lawrence. She has a similar tone of voice and even looks like Holmes..plus, with roles like Gone Girl and a Private War, need I say more?
I love Jennifer Lawrence but I agree Rosamond Pike would be a better fit.
I thought the same.
Rosamund Pike is a great actress but unfortunately she's too old to play the part. Jennifer Lawrence is at least around the age EH was when she was CEO of Theranos.
yes!! That’s the first thing that pops up to my mind too!
K.D. Martel Author,Writer perfect casting 👌
This is the sort of journalism I used to take for granted. Thank you for this piece; it restores my faith.
except journalists should have been on the ball when she was spending other peoples money left, right and centre does noone any good reporting on her criminal activities AFTER she crashed
@@MrRaulstrnad someone from WSJ helped expose this!
Lmao “ used to take for granted”. When 😂.
“Restores my faith” lol, dude don’t be silly. Journalism has always been shit and will be for the foreseeable future.
@@p.p.8624 a lot of it is bs but there are good journalists out there, but that’s what the propaganda model does, it throws questions over anyone who questions and challenges it and tel you that only one person or group knows all the answers and they you must be subservient to them only
Thank you, Reason! This was far better reporting than that of 60 minutes Australia, who keeps the comments disabled, silencing public!
"Don't worry about the future; we're in good hands." y i k e s
Seems like everything a democrat president says is wrong. Just like Obamas "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" or Bills "I did not have sex with that woman" Democrats are just bullshiters.
Dude that seriously didn’t age well. Big oof.
Yikes
Indeed.
@@nickdipaolofan5948 Lies and politics are bedfellows and symbiotic organisms. On both sides.
Let me fake my voice and lower it to a manly level so I seem more masculine and leader like. That'll fool them.
Go Ham I mean it worked so....
When I went on a job interview, something weird happened. As soon as I started to speak, my voice came out a little deeper, which was not intentional at all. But I ended up getting the job. I wasn't even aware of the deeper female voice being an impression of intelligence. Elizabeth really prepared herself well to fool everyone, even going octaves lower than needed.
That's her voice guys. A real con artist would try to have a charming voice, not an unusual voice.
Her lack of eye blinking though... there's something off about that.
@@Cujo5 No. A deeper voice is associated with masculinity & thereby, "leadership qualities". And her unblinking eyes make her "look confident" (I don't know how the second one works)
@@vickie_g Not blinking suggests hyper vigilance.
And some women do have deeper voices. That doesn't mean they're faking it.
And quite frankly, if she was a con artist, she wouldn't pretend to be masculine when she clearly looks feminine. It would be too awkward.
That is her voice, I believe it's tied to her serious attitude more so than some stunt she's pulling. I know women like that. A real feminine con-artist would play to her feminine strengths, not pretend to be male.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying she isn't dropping her voice. I just don't think it's to imitate a male. It's more about her serious attitude.
People need to be careful: They know she's a liar and so they're looking for everything about her that's unusual and assuming that it's a trick or a stunt. It's confirmation bias.
My dad worked for Theranos when there was just 30 people. It makes me glad that people like Carreyou are able to step up and expose this mess. My dad has always suspected that Theranos was up to no good, but didn't have the proof to confirm this. Back in Theranos's early days the device already didn't work. One of the original ideas, using bioluminescence, barely worked. The next few incarnations worked just as well. My dad had always remarked on how she had such a silver tongue. Whenever she talked, the people followed her like peasants to a queen. In fact, my dad and his friend called Elizabeth "Q" because of this, short for Queen. That's probably where the term "Empress" came into being. She was a snake with a silver tongue. Some of you may ask why it was so difficult for someone to finally expose this mess, after all, just one person could have spilled the beans. It wasn’t that simple. Even from the beginning, Theranos had a full team of lawyers. Anybody who left the company was forced to sign a non-disclosure agreement, to "protect" their products. Elizabeth expected nothing but cooperation. Anybody who questioned her methods would get the boot. That was precisely how my dad got kicked out. He questioned her on some things and corrected her on others, and so he got kicked out. Even people who were extremely qualified for the job were kicked out if they dared to question Q. Everybody knew that the device did not work. The biochem guys knew it, the executives knew it, even the software engineers knew it didn't work. But if they dared to say anything, they would get kicked out and would face legal action from the team of lawyers. That coupled with her extreme popularity (she was very good at getting people on her side) silenced any possible whistleblowers. That's why only someone very rich and influential could have spilled the beans. Elizabeth essentially created something close to a "cult of personality" around herself. For example, right when Carreyou was publishing Elizabeth's crimes, rallies where the people would say "Fuck-you-Carrey-ou" happened within the company. Just wanted to give this bit of information.
Really interesting, thanks for posting.
Thomas Hale very interesting insight. Thank you for posting your story!
I want to join those thanking you for this personal story. I hope your Dad got a better job with an ethical company!
Of course she was "popular". Teenage FEMALE in Silicon Valley starting a Revolutionary Company worth more than the Evil MALE Gatekeepers. The story was made for this SJW-laden climate. Anyone who questioned her would be labeled misogynist and sexist. Now that it has come to bite them in the ass the SJW-idiots like Buzzfeed don't want to talk about it lol. They don't even try to backpedal on all the Idol-worshipping they did. They just act like she never existed hahaa.
@@Mutiny960 Yawn
"Don't worry about the future, we're in good hands"... That didn't age well
I can’t believe how you can give so much credit to a person that didn’t prove anything. They valued her company to 9 billions without having proof that the product was working for real.
They were greedy...the love of money and power blinded them...when they were in too deep they couldn't afford to doubt it...
Combination of ignorance and arrogance. They didnt understand medicine enough to know it couldnt work, and were too arrogant to listen to people who knew better.
Exactly Marcus !
Hey that's the reality. You think apple products has the inherent value that deserve it's price tag? It's all the mythical power of sillicon valley
WeWork has entered the chat.
She prayed nightly to her holy Steve Jobs shrine. Kneeling before it, surrounded by apples.
I wouldn’t be surprised. From what it sounds like it was more severe than just simple admiration, more like obsession.
Did she take a single bite out of those apples? The picture in my head of this is ridiculous 😂😂😁
I cannot with y'all. I'm deceased 😂😂
@@witt.1620 im imaging the anglica arnold shrine from hey arnold but with a statue of steve jobs made of iphones mac parts and apple cores
lol
She purposefully changed her tone to sound authoritative.
If it was for Manipulation that would be smart but otherwise it’s another excuse to try to be different
She would not be able to authoritate me to do anything. That voice freaked me out.
Pastors yell to sound authoritative
She just sounds grating
She not even her own person it's sad I wouldn't of even thrown money into her to support her with someone who can't even be themselves lmao
I'd like to point out the integrity of Rupert Murdoch in this investigation. He had personal interest for the company not to go under and probably could have acquiesced to this woman's sociopathic tendencies, but he chose not.
I know this story is supposed to be about Theranos and Elizabeth Holmes, but all I can think about is how this is actually NOT fake news...I was beginning to forget what journalism looked like.
I have bad news for you
Nobody :
Elizabeth Holmes : 👁️👄👁️
Robert Naughton 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂
😹😹
🤣🤣🤣 I laughed much harder than I think I should have. 🤣🤣🤣
Oh my lord 🤣🤣☠️☠️
Clinton: "Don't worry about the future we are in good hands " Yeah sure
The best people.
Slick Willie.
Zenodotus Of Athens Lol not safe hands saying that to start with 😏
Oh man, the look in her face the couple of seconds just after that, the contractions and slight twitching... "Yeah sure" were probably the exact words going through her mind. Priceless.
History already repeats. One of Enron’s biggest allies in the early 2000s was George W. Bush.
What is truly heartbreaking about this story is that the underlying concept is brilliant. If she'd completed her training (rather than dropping out), identified suitability credentialed colleagues, and *taken the time* to test the device(s) appropriately without risking patients' well-being, it could have been a medical game changer, particularly in the U.S., where tests are so outrageously expensive.
At some point, this will happen, for sure:))))
This! It makes you wonder how much the Healthcare industry was set to loose. Such a brilliant idea.
It wasn’t threatening the healthcare industry. It hadn’t happened because it’s not possible. It was not a brilliant idea, just like selling magic potions that cure cancer isn’t a brilliant idea.
Ohh man... I Can't wait for the netflix documentary...
☺
HBO beat them though
hbo doc announced
Premier on HBO on 19th march. HBO is way ahead than NetFlix at docs.
I want a Hulu one
"She was just so smart. She had all these older men giving her money." Um..... does anyone else see through this?
I doubt that ugly ass bitch could seduce anybody
Pot Head nice
They were investors. When he painted her in that light is when he lost credibility for me. That, and trying to paint Murdoch like a victim. My hunch is that he's half speaking truth, half talking out of his ass a little bit.
Yeah. There are plenty of other women who do this professionally for much less money.
If you've ever worked in an office with men and women and the bosses are men, you know exactly what happened. They trumpet every little thing the sweet pretty girl does, even if it's a 20th of what other less pretty people do in an average day.
you can tell she is insane by her eyes.
paul kersey and never blinking
well said. thanks. @Despiser Despised
It's all in the eyes..they always give it away...she's a nut
she actually looks pretty cute and those insane cyan eyes
"She is very smart"... Well, she got caught, so she ain't.
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Tim😄you got her pegged!
@@claudiariedel5777 see also Stephen King's IT
Tim I’d still hit it
Uncanny
Best comment 👌
This is why good journalism and industry regulations are so important. SO PEOPLE DON'T GET DUPED INTO SUPPORTING SOCIOPATHIC CON-ARTISTS.
@Despiser Despised the government is run by con men in business suits &their pretty smart because everything they do hurts us &helps them...
Despiser Despised .... Regulations are weakened the freaks come out... Just look at 2008 ... Scammers always waiting to pounce ...
Despiser Despised .... Wrong, Bush deregulation’s led to the crash...Don’t try to put the crash on Democrat’s, that’s BS .. You must have government oversight on big banking systems, big corporations OR they end up being our government and we have fascism, where private powers exceed our government powers, like what we’re seeing today, it’s dangerous ....
Despiser Despised .... Hey dip &$@ ... what did Wells Fargo just do with the 8 is great routine ? NO Banks are not regulated enough, republicans always dismantle what weak regulations exist allowing more scamming ... Wake the fuck up
or you can do your own research.
Holmes didn't have a Woz to actually make the products
dante040, yeah I was thinking that too. The difference between Steve and her is that Apple actually had a product before the company was founded.
I feel like Steve jobs had a much more gravitas than her.
I feel like Steve jobs had a much more gravitas than her.
More heart and an actual back-up team that was able to bring his bluster to fruition
I think the key difference is jobs entered new marlets(personal computing, cloud based streaming music, smart phones). Holmes was trying to disrupt current market. I think that is a lot harder. And when she realized that decided to take the path of fraud instead of forging ahead.
Good point
I think the real issue here is the “fake it or make it” culture in Silicon Valley.
Don’t worry about the future we are in good hands LOL -Bill Clinton
don't forget bill also married Hillary. he may have been a likeable guy but he is a bit of an idiot.
He maybe thinking something else. *nod *nod
He has a reputation of miscalculating women.
Narcissists will say that about each other. :D
That's an interesting nickname for his balls.
"She cozied up to Bill Clintion". Gee, I wonder what he saw in her...
Well it's Bill, so probably himself.
Thats a whole new video lol omgg LOL #spoton
Hey hey Monica
Edyta Rudnik pls let this be a joke
@@provocateur777 There's a job-opening for you on the farm- the funny farm. "Shouting" crap doesn't make it true.
I hope the film makes John look like a hero and not Elizabeth. It’s nice to know there are still good investigative journalists out there.
I love how honest this guy is, he openly admits it was his own newspaper that began putting her on the map and also admits that while there was some mistakes within reporting but doesn't use the time to lampoon other individuals. I honestly respect this man a lot, only after one video.
Also good for reason to make a purely news video with someone who seems to be relativity statist, supporting the FDA and such.
Credit to Rupert Murdoch too for not spiking the story to protect his investment.
@Bruce, yeah, he struck me as a representative of that long-lost art of investigative journalism. But I'd like to see him do an investigative report i.e. reveal the truth on something that doesn't affect the pockets of his employers but nonetheless important. If we are to keep in line with the original object of Inv. Jrlsm. Or something other than juicy social-business affairs that dum-dums can vent on. and see what platform he gets then.
Is he honest when it sells or honest because we can hear him?
Jennifer Lawrence will need a stunt double for her eyes..
Right? Talk about bad casting. Lawrence has beady little eyes and Elizabeth has a huge 1000 yard stare
That was genius hhhhhhhhh.
I was just thinking about that when they showed the movie idea😂😂😂💀
It should have been Emma Stone...big eyes...deep voice
xD lol
"1st they think your crazy" then you show them your crazy and get liquidated.
you're - apostrophes are cheap.
@@jacquesblaque7728 Imagine going out of your way to correct grammar in a youtube comment section
@@rsod85 Not hard to imagine that some can benefit. Got a problem with that? Move along now.
@quotetheraven90 YOU must feel like the resident Emily Dickinson, just waaay off the mark, cupcake. Or just GFY.
Hahahaha
What I adore about it all is how everyone still worked there doing nothing?! Like they had to know it was all BS but didn't go look for other jobs lol
I may not have gone to an Ivy League school or have a startup at Silicon Valley but at least I have my pride and dignity. Be happy you’re not like this woman. Love your life.
OK doll.
Well said lady!.
This doesn’t sound bitter and desperate at all...🙄😭
Exactly!
Can’t teach morals unfortunately
“Iron woman”
She definitely has a robotic appearance 😂
Looks a lot like Zuckerberg (aka Mk IV Zuckerborg).
Yet another lie. According to people who know her, she's never used an iron. She sends her shirts out for that.
I know it's not good to judge a book by its cover. . . but c'mon. . . shes got the crazy eyes. EVERYONE should have seen that and said "nah, no blinking, no investment, sorry".
RichardThePear Lmao I was thinking the same thing!
That voice too . . . .
I would guess that Scott Adams would say that all of that weird, deep-voice, wide eyed and never blinking are all persuasion techniques that are clearly very effective. Good persuaders are often viewed as being very strange to people unfamiliar to those techniques. But those techniques are still very effective.
She's a total turnoff and creepy. The only thing that made her effective was the pussy pass that a "young woman in tech" gets. She gave "progressive" press what they wanted.
RichardThePear
No blinking no investment. I'm going to remember that and use it.
Wow that interviewer was excellent, he asked somé
pertinent, relavant and appropriate questions.
Investigative Journalists like John Carreyrou are inspiring. This is what Journalism used to be about. Politicized. biased, partisan Mud slinging "journalists" we see on our screens drag Journalism in to the gutter. Journalists like Carreyrou will inspire some young people to become proper Journalists. Very good interview.
Piers Trindal plus he definitely benefitted. He probably made bank with the movie deal
Good for him. I hope he made lots!
He can’t do what Anderson Cooper does but Anderson can do what he does and has done it.
@@bretdouglas9407 and well deserved ! The man arguably saved many lives
Patrice Pierre totally
Thank you George Schultz grandson. It was him that went to the press to look into this and resigned after he called them out.
She literally looks like a female Mark Zuckerburg
Hannah Marie wow
She actually does.
omg these comments lmao
She IS the female Mark Zuckerburg. Unluckily for her she is not Jewish, and does not know how to effectively scam long-term.
Her face at 00:05, when Bill Clinton says "don't worry about the future we're in good hands" says it all.
"Hello I have a weird voice, staring eyes & a box that does the impossible, give us your cash."
"OK here you go have a truck load of cash, may I look at the box work?"
"No, its a secret box." (Arseholes)
This sounds like my last date.
I wonder how her OTHER magic box works....
Not many gold diggers will let you look at their box..
@@edwinthomasr Her other magic box is 8 inches long.
"Box" as a metaphor.
First they think you are crazy and fight you, then you end up in jail.
So much of our post-industrial economy is built on appearances. It's really scary how people are able to get rich without making anything.
Ramon Suarez Ramon Suarez. They say there's no fool like an old fool. She used Blond hair, blue eyes, decent body and (likely) some "know how" in the bedroom on the RIGHT OLD FOOL.
I saw a picture of the two of them together; it looked like she was escorting her Grandpa somewhere.
And I guess there was more than one old fool according to this interview.
One thing the net sure has shown ME... and that is how truly SLIMEY some people really are.
True, but nobody seems to be pointing out that this absolutely required unmitigated rank stupidity on the part of the investors. This was not a remotely clever or sophisticated con, at all, and her biggest mistake was to part from their money fools with the means to do something about it.
There's a lot of subtext here in this video which also makes me wonder about her relationship with these older men. I mean, just look at her boyfriend.
More California liars, with absolutely zero substance.
Whats up Doc!
Of all the interviews I've read and seen regarding the Theranos scandal, Reason TV's is by far the most insightful and entertaining. I especially loved it when Mr. Gillespie asked Mr. Carreyrou about all the old guys on the board who had their vanity flattered by Ms. Holmes' attentions, a subject hilariously addressed in the 60 Minutes film "Blood Money" released in August of this year.
Her deep voice freaks me out tbh.
Romi of Romi and Michelle. It’s all about pretending to invent post it’s...lol
+LN B Holy crap, that's such an obscure reference yet I had exactly the same thought five seconds before reading your comment. Sounds and looks like Romy.
It's not her natural voice. She's intentionally making it deeper to sound more like a man because she thinks it will help her be taken more seriously. Instead she sounds like a lunatic.
bones heff
It's a trap!!!!
Iron Mountain me too, fuck, it’s like the devil talking to you
I've invented the smallest toaster in the world. Looking for investors to help market it. Requires small bread.
An individual crouton maker? That sounds like a cool idea, albeit time wasting.
Dude, I just invented small bread. I think we can partner up. Wonder if Bill Clinton is interested.
@@amando96 The future of crumbs?
Sure I'll invest... I got plenty of bread
I'll back it
Why does she creep me out though?
Silvia Oino because you’re hypersensitive.
It’s called the “Uncanny valley”
And a whole damn lot of it
Her eyes.
Crazy eyes, look at Manson
She refuses to blink.
'The lesson is to question this whole value system that idolizes these young entrepeneurs' amazing summary
"Whenever there's a glass ceiling, there's an iron woman right behind it." Wait, what..?
R0YALT1 same lol!!!!
lmaooo I did not get that joke either
I think it's supposed to be an homage to Margaret Thatcher.
"Glass ceiling" is a business term used to describe the under representation of women and minorities in executive positions. She is essentially making an analogy for a breakthrough for women in high level positions, which ironically enough didn't work out to well for her lol.
@@TheBLACKWIDOW83 I know exactly what a glass ceiling is. That's what makes her statement even more bizarre.
Any lab technician could see this was a scam from the beginning.
Anyone with basic biology/chemistry knowledge.
Yeah, but lab technicians didn't have the "vision" that this 19 year-old did, obviously!
That's the most infuriating thing about this whole mess, it was just a bunch of clueless politicians and business-people jerking each other off while the people with actual medical qualifications were buried under NDAs and threats of legal action.
I remember seeing interviews with her before the story broke. It made no sense to me. It appeared too staged and the finger prints of a giant PR operation. It looked like a sales stunt.
Anyone with knowledge of Thermodynamics.
Her voice reminds me of a prepubescent boy trying to sound like an adult.
Exactly.
It sounds like she's been taking testosterone. Transgender people who go on testosterone sound similar. It's oddly deep for a young woman.
It reminds me of a woman trying to sound like a man.
zactly!
Because it's fake. You can hear her real voice here, 50 seconds in player.fm/series/biotech-nation-radio-podcast/episode-18-26-unedited-2005-interview-with-elizabeth-holmes-recorded-at-kqed-in-san-francisco
Perhaps it’s time to start questioning young peoples abilities to “revolutionize” anything?
I find it very strange that no one seemed to question a 20-something persons competence and knowledge in an area that even to an outsider involves a lot of high tech and advanced research.
The whole women in STEM thing is a big reason why the media never called her out. They didn't want to be labeled as a sexist or trying to hold a woman back. If you can find the sensitivities in things you can exploit them wonderfully.
That's how it works. If it goes against the message, we just pretend it's not true or not happening.
Sure?
Because men have never committed fraud LMAO
@@laurav.7241 good job of paying attention
She's not devastated at all that they didn't ' catch those issues and fix them sooner '
..she's just devastated that people were SMART ENOUGH to SEE THROUGH the CRAP and THE LIES .
Sadly way too late.
"Whenever there is a glass ceiling, there is an iron woman right behind it"
What does that even mean?
@@ismeltitdeltit9354 so Jimmy is cool?
Just shut up and clap. LoL
Nothing.
How can you be BEHIND a ceiling?
She was a clever con artist who told people what they wanted to hear. It's a famous trope by the radical feminists that corporations have a "glass ceiling" that prevents women from achieving CEO status. She was faking confidence that made investors think she was competent. They don't call them "con" artists for nothing!
Another lie by Elizabeth was when she said that doctors depend a 70% in blood test to reach a diagnosis. We don't rely heavily in imaging or bloodwork as many people think we do, actually 70% of a diagnosis comes from the Clinical history where the patient tells me whats the reason of their visit to my office, I grab all this info and put it together with the patients non pathological and pathological background, then I do a physical examination and by this point I already have a diagnostic suspicion and then we ask for exams so we direct this properly because if a person comes with a abdominal pain Im not going to ask for Brain CT scan or ask for Rheumatoid factor. Is very rare the case in which we send people to get tested before we have a partial diagnosis at leas
Big credit to John Carreyrou for his excellent investigative reporting. Who knows how many lives he saved?
Holmes and Zuckerberg came off of the same assembly line.
@Rusty Shackleford it is a joke because they both look like evil robots
Facebook exist and doesn't claim to be medical device.
I ship them 👀
Zuckerberg: T-1000
Theranos: T-X
@@leila_de_hautjardin dafuk hahaha
She just sounds ridiculous with that fake voice.
Kinda sounds like a man, and of course she's faking it.
Why is she faking her voice? How did she think she was gonna get away with this?
Letty she might have inbalance of hormones
@@morrisgordon9618 she has clips with her voice slipping to normal and then she gathers it back to lower tones on her next sentence. It is said that this is some kind of narcissistic behavior to impress people.
Rumor has it she changed her name to Allie and went to work for CollegeHumor
I think she say Futurama and hoped her stare would result in an "All hail the hypnotoad!" effect.
And it worked for a while.
“Don’t worry about the future we’re in good hands” Does 2020 surprise anyone?
After 2016 nothing surprises me any more. #FDT
2020 was the result of Donald Trump tho
Consider the source
She does have something in common with Steve Jobs. They both didn't actually invent anything. But at least Steve Jobs found people who did.
Other similarities: Both were huge assholes. Among other things, Jobs tried getting out of paying child support for his daughter by claiming in court he is sterile, and he never paid more than the court-assigned amount even after becoming a millionaire while she was still a minor. Jobs also was involved in questionable medicine. After he was first diagnosed with cancer, he spent a year trying alternative remedies, which medical professionals believe cost him his life. And then there was the part where he tried all the possible legal finagling to get himself pushed ahead in the organ transplant recipient list.
uh huh
JD Jones
You are exactly right: ideas are a dime a dozen; implementation is everything.
Jobs wasn't an inventor, no. He was a conductor: he found the right people, then enabled those people to do things they couldn't have done otherwise. You don't need to be an inventor to change the world.
Elizabeth Holmes was a crook and a liar who enjoyed Steve Jobs cosplay- they couldn't be more different.
He was a true leader and able to motivate creative people. This women is a fraud.
By modeling it like a tech company rather than a medical company they got around a while lot of scrutiny, though. Didn't they?
Shawna Fetzer good point
Shawna Fetzer they most certainly did.
no. The investors didn't do basic due diligence.
How stupid is it say „don’t worry about the future, we are in good hands“ when referring to someone who is a youngster without any expertise or experience ? That seems like reverse ageism and pure idiocy, especially when it comes to fields where you absolutely need a lot of knowledge and experience.
exactly, just like FTX and their staff of pothead dropouts who were not qualified, yet they duped millions out of their life savings, yet even so-called experts like Kevin O'Leary were on board praising them until they got exposed, I'm no smart guy but when you see this what this woman did to supposedly intelligent people, I have to wonder if you're so smart, why didn't you do your sue diligence before endorsing such a fraudster?
She should have placed a disclaimer on the test result printouts: "For Entertainment Purposes Only."
Well played
🤣
Would have been hilarious if they used the voice of Lurch to give you audio test results: Lurch:”You have tested positive for the herpes.”