Dyno Test: 2006 Cummins 472 SXE over stock HE 351 with EFI Live Tuning | Power Driven Diesel
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- In this video we dyno test a Borg Warner Turbos 472 SXE over stock HE 351 with EFI Live tuning on a 2006 Dodge Ram Cummins. See how this turbo and others perform in all our dyno tests.
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Love this kind of real world testing. Makes more sense than just a max hp run
bandabanderos It’s way more useful information to know
Best content on TH-cam keep it up guys
Great Video.
Real life demonstrations this is what i like to see. Keep up the great work it will pay off in the end ! Thanks Guy's!
Cannot beat twins for towing. They are absolutely the best setup.
they absolutely are!
Those pyro temps are VERY impressive WOW!!!!
Twins for the wins every time towing
I like what you do in real world no inflated nbers that's why I always come back here. Everywhere else always using corrected numbers. That are just not therein real world situations thanks again guys I plan to do the 362 turbo on my 04 no other mods excep mbrp straight 5" and air box diy. Thanks again guys.
You sir are like a much much younger Gale Banks you sure know your stuff and back what you put out if you would do a weekend seminar/workshop with or without Gale i would pay big money to attend keep doing what you're doing much respect.🤘🤘🇺🇸 Stay blessed y'all
You guys have the best videos. Hands down
That’s cool that you doing some interesting CR videos 👍
Thank You for releasing this video, could you guys make a playlist for 2nd and 3rd gen? You have on for 4th, but I’m staying away from DEP, SO I’m keeping the “06”, forever! Thanks again!
1:00 Damn that A/C condenser looks beat up.
@ powerdrivendiesel I’m still waiting on a pair of your heavy duty T bolt spring clamps for my intercooler pipe. They still on back order? Was like a year ago 😂. Guess I’ll have to order new ones.
If you give our customer service a call I'm sure they can get this straightened out for you!
I have the AFC Live in my '95 12 Valve and you have several great vids on installing/using that item....but now I need info on choosing a tuner for my 3rd gen 5.9...let's see a vid on the various tuners you offer and reasons/benefits of selecting each!
Yes please do 07 5.9.
Y’all are doing some awesome stuff with the common rail trucks. I can’t wait to get into another one! What is your elevation at your shop?? Like you said, these were uncorrected numbers, and no airflow across the cooler- all while charging up the grade like a bat out of hell :).
How does the boost come on in daily driving, on say a modest tune? Is it comparable to the stock 351, or will it light even sooner?
5800 ft elevation and it drives very similar to stock
Should do another give away build like you did for the vp44 but for a cp3 commen rail 5.9
That be awesome. I have an 03 thats completely stock, been trying to figure out a good plan to add some ponies. So ill deffintly get in that giveaway drawing once it comes out.
All on stock fuel..........that's nuts! Nice to see the true capabilities of stock components and not hear say from that one crazy friend of a friend who doesn't care if it blows up and runs the truck on "kill" everywhere even towing. You guys really got somethin in this set up Todd and crew..........any plans for a 6.7 build with the same idea behind it? That build in a 6.7 with a G56 is pretty much what I would be after in my everyday pickup which would haul horse and camp trailers as well as firewood and hay
Same
@@pddofficial I'm lookin forward to that especially but enjoy any and all content you guys put out
That condensor is wasted..replace the condensor and pick up 20 hp. Does the motor have arp head studs?
This is a great setup. Killer to see the 472sxe used. Would be cool to see the graphs of your k27/369 vs this setup 👍👍 😎 What size of turbine housing is it? And is it the 87mm trubine wheel?
Sweet. Its cool to see real world results and not some garbled talk about it. Imo, the box s475 would be a last ditch effort/choice anymore purely because of the efficiency of the new SXE lineup (other than the cost). Badass to see you guys utilizing those turbos and putting all the results out there for all to see and learn about 🤟
When will this kit become available again? Just put 25% overs in my 03 dually 6 speed. Got a 18k gross 5er and NEED this setup, and your awesome tuning of course.
Was the transmission modified at all prior to this test?
If so what was done? If not, how long did it hold up this kind of torque before failure?
An answer would be appreciated. Thanks.
Really curious what the 12v tune does for fuel mileage vs multiple injection events per fire common rail tuning, love the info you guys putting out, you guy's certainly are on the right track. Keep up the good work
(12v single shot tune) It lowers fuel mileage from less efficient combustion. Multiple injection events at post throttle is also much smoother cylinder pressures for internal components life.
Ok so I'd need a efi live tuner a egt probe and I'd have to fab up some piping from turbo to turbo and intercooler. Plus mod a down pipe. To fit. But may be exactly what I'm looking for from a economy performance increase and less than the double power package plus I'd not have Todo engine work till it's needed at 400 k
Yes we do make this as a kit.
What's trans work is done to live behind this setup?
Damn you EFIlive! They don't support the 2003-2005 common rails! I love them so much because the lack of smog equipment. Wish I had a solution...
You do, mm3 is basically the same. I have it on my 04.5 and its great. I can change tunes while driving. Hp is supposedly good as well
Erik Kovacs check out optimalwelding.com he makes custom tunes for common rail 5.9 and I have the tunes on my 04.5 2500. He uses HP tuners software and it’s amazing. Great power and increase in fuel economy
@@Tonycallanta1 yeah I'll check them out thanks! But... what's a 12 valve tune?
Erik Kovacs basically just eliminates the pilot injection
They get hot when your in the mud and have little airflow across the radiator never had the coolant temp over 240 😳 but would noe want to push it this hard all the time I use low range and cool it off between stretches of mud bog my driveway. Wonderful that's pulling a 18 k load into my place.
Whats actual boost pressure? Maxing out stock MAP at 39 psi every pull.
57psi
Wow thats amazing
That poor Condenser has seen the best of it's days already.
Check the 12v tune egts at in Park vs any other tune. Mine is definitely cooler. After a pass I will select my 12v tune because it cools so quickly. The fuel mileage is awesome also. I’ve been a 11.23 @ 122 on my 12v tune. 63/480 125% over twin pumps. 06 Cummins. Much different set up now.
Absolutely
That's because of the rapid spike/Drop in cylinder pressures with single event. During idle that's not the best thing for the motor though.
Great tests, what exhaust did this truck have during the test.
I would like to know if lopping off the exhaust really affects performance.
I hate the noise my ‘06 made with just an MBRP I had to add a chinese 30” resonator…
It was thew stock exhaust.
Im curious what you guys do if anything to the wastegate tuning on the stock turbo when running the compounds.
nothing the tuner you are using will take care of it.
Wonder how well this kit would do with the 5" open exhaust straight pipe it may quet it down considerably.
It isn't bad as the second turbo dose act like a muffler.
Set the EFI on 12 valve tune and rip the switch out lol #makecommonfailsgreatagain lol good job guys
Is a 2nd gen swap worth it or will a 3rd gen steed manifold flow close to a 2nd gen swap? I would like to do the 2nd gen swap but I want to keep my exhaust brake.
500whp, 40psi, I'd really like to know the injection timing degrees advance please. ?
Pulse is also very important
What transmission would you put behind a setup like this?
Sure enjoy the videos. Can you do some suggestions for a 03 SS motor trucks with stock fuel. Needs help towing.
@@pddofficial Sorry S.O motor. Early 2003 truck with the lowest horsepower truck with a 47re transmission and a 3.73 gear. Thanks for responding not wanting a hot rod just a good tow truck. Pulling a travel trailer .
When will you be selling this kit? I'm read to pull the trigger on one.
@@pddofficial That's fantastic news. It so great to see the testing videos you guys do. To actually see the results from your product with similar mods for the average 500-650ish hp guy. I dont know of any other company that does this. You guys are awesome keep the videos coming.
I'm building a 24v with a p-pump, you think I could use the stock hx35 and a Borg s366 and get descent results? Thinking weld the hx wastegate, install and external gate
What is considered "high" miles for a 5.9 Cummins common rail engine? I'm looking to buy a used truck and don't want to buy something that I will need to rebuild in a couple years. What is considered good oil pressure at idle as well, both cold and hot? Thanks a bunch for the info. Sorry for all the questions but I messed up when I bought my first diesel truck and I learned my lesson.
How much power is the big charger putting out? For compounds that's not much boost, so I'm wondering how much work each one is doing.
Why wouldn't you have a fan to match road speed?
Is the setup capable of being used with a truck with a stock trans 540 hp sounds like a lot for a 48re in my case...just curious
PowerDrivenDiesel thanks for the reply enjoying your channel a lot 👍🏻
I have a 2007.5 6.7 and I am interested in doing compounds to do what you just showed. Any suggestions?
Same setup works good on 6.7 trucks over the VGT stocker
Where is the exhaust temperature sensor located manifold or after Turbo
Does the larger turbo go on top and the smaller on bottom or does the smaller turbo go on top feeding into larger turbo on bottom? Btw some areas in Connecticut,New Hampshire Vermont and Maine is very common to see hills with a 11% & higher grade! I myself have personally witnessed a 13% grade
@@pddofficial Thank you for letting me know that I was hung up on what to do there for a awhile
So what is to hot as far as your egts for this truck?
It really depends on how long you sustain a certain egt. You could hit 1400 on a dyno for a few seconds, I try not to exceed 1100 personally on a long tow up a hill. I know guys that hit 1200 on a regular basis towing, but I'm not that brave.
Aluminum will melt at 1200. A quick spike you can get by, but long pull you get to build a new motor. I know there’s guys who make bs climes of higher temps [their “high “ alright] but google the melting point of aluminum.
MoPower are you measuring before or after the turbo? if after add 200*
Mine are 1" from the exhaust port. I'd never recommend taking a sample temp after the turbo because the temp could be far more than 200 degrees depending on drive pressure and turbo size. I also use a egt on every cylinder port, I find it good insurance on these common rail engines.
On my 06' i'll sustain in the high 12's low 13's on grades, it gives the old lady a good cleaning out. As mentioned, stock I could pull 14's all day. I don't know the specifics but after the 04.5 modifications the allowable egts climbed a bit.
still stock head studs and exhaust springs?
How long did the head gasket last?
Is this kit available? I cant seem to find it on your website
What size turbine housing is that?
would love to see the same comparison with sxe363 with 475 or 480. that combo should be good for 650 on stock fuel(maybe) just curious what power it would make and how it would tow. inquiring minds wanna know..lol
The sxe 472 actually outflows a box 475
I am dyin to see y'all do a S372sxe turbo on a stock setup to see how it does....Ill even buy the turbo if that's the case!
The wheels are too big for the comp housing and turbine housing.
The 300 series has durability issues, especially when pushed hard. You're far better off with a small 400 frame
Todd, have you done any fuel economy numbers with these tunes?
Thanks for listening!! Keep on brother, love your channel
I'm struggling a little here... How is this a simulated load with no wind? Your biggest and most important friction factor is not present.
yelorsirhc gravity is the biggest factor, or simulated incline
What's the highest boost you'll run on a stock truck with no studs?
@@pddofficial will the sxe362 hit those numbers? Stock fuel just a smarty touch programmer
This is my set up
Colt cams big stick
Smarty s06-on 5 setting
Stock injectors
Stock cp3
Fass 150
Pulling my 28ft race trailer i could easily burn it to the ground.
How much does your set up cost?
PowerDrivenDiesel yes sir south bend dual disc upgrade.
What's your number?
Where did u get that air intake
Great. Thx for the reply
Do you make a similar kit to this for a 2010 cummins?
@@pddofficial I will let you use mine for a demo if needed! I got family in st george I can drop it off on the way through I live in north idaho!
Is there a danger of over spinning the stock turbo?
It should lower the likelihood of overspeeding the stock turbo. For the Cummins QSK60s and QSK78s, they run compound setups to keep the high pressure turbos from overspeeding in high elevations.
It lowers the risk with twins
Wow #40 boost on stock 5.9 w/ no head studs..???
Question I have 2003 Ram w/5.9 Cummins and 5” exhaust
do you sell 12V tune w/o buying EFI live
Like a plug and play version.?
Jeff Beaird 12v tune is called a rack plate.
The best 12v tuner is a screw driver
mark warren he means 12v tune for a 24v.... it’s a tune that changes the timing a little and makes the injectors fire once not multiple times like normal. Makes them sound like a 12v
How did you simulate 17,000# and grade?
Dyno braking
How many miles are on the injectors and CP3 because I'd like to do something like this to my 07 6 speed 5.9 but I think my injectors may be on their way out at 215k
If you buy the common rail fuel system test fittings you can measure your injector return flow. When these injectors wear out they start leaking internally and you get high flow on the return lines.
If they are stock yes your probably at the end of their life I'd go new injectors first but honestly call up power driven. They will set you up right.
Watch th-cam.com/video/eMbB4UMZMpl/w-d-xo.html it's a 9 year old VHS video but very useful.
What does this turbo kit do to your fuel economy?
Increase it
Have you done anything on 4th gen Cummins
@@pddofficial I have a 2017 and I'm wanting to delete it and was wanting to know if y'all had and recommendations for it
how would a 472 SXE over a 362 SXE work
even on stock fuel
So is this just adding another turbo to your truck
So you do you have a video on when you put that turbo on that 2006 Dodge truck
So keep the stock turbo with an upgraded 3rd gen manifold? Can you keep the factory Jacobs exhaust brake?
Does anyone here know what the Ford 6.0/6.2 compound setup would make for hp might be a good swap find a truck blown up yank the turbos smack em on the 5.9
Austin Doud what are you talking about?
Jerry Bauduin ford 6ls have compound turbos use the Ford turbos on the Cummins
6.0s don’t have factory compounds. 6.4s do but putting those on anything other than a 6.4 would be stupid and would be impossible because of the way they are made and wouldn’t work on an i6
Jerry Bauduin
th-cam.com/video/hwZB3z891B8/w-d-xo.html
Why did you post that link?
So what kind of price will this be and what will kit include? I WANT! lol
That's not a cheap turbo plus the piping and clamps/hardware new down pipe will probably all be included knowing these guys so it won't be cheap but will be high quality.
Lol that a/c condenser is fucked
Why are you dynoing these heavy loads at 80 mph not realistic simulation
Living in California speed limit while towing is 55 mph
with 3:73 gears puts my truck about 1750 rpm
Even at 70 mph i am at 2000 rpm
Where can you tow at 80 mph
Even the major manufactures build to real world speed getting peak torque at road speed
37 years heavy duty mechanic Factory trained Peterbilt Motor company Mack Trucks Freightliner Trucks Cummins Catipiller Detroit Diesel Mercedes Benz
Tec
I tow at 80 mph, 90k lbs in a Pete daily at work.... Lots of places let you stretch your legs outside commiefornia
I love this comment. Guy has no clue that the other 49 States in the country have different speed limits but feels the need to type he's been a mechanic for 37 years and drop a bunch of automotive names, as if that justifies the claim that "dynoing these heavy loads at 80 mph (is) not (a) realistic simulation".
I need about 9 more arms for the proper face-palm.
Please do a test at 60-65 mph.
I would like to see what the egt's would look like at 60-65 mph when the rpm's are at or below 2000.
I imagine the egt's would be higher.
Thanks for the videos.
Stay in California moonbat