Martin Gorrick, Bishop of Dudley | Christianity SHOULD allow gay marriage - 5/8 | Oxford Union
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Currently, Church of England members of the clergy are not permitted to carry out same-sex marriages, whilst homosexual Anglicans are required to remain celibate. In recent years, however, the Church of Wales, the Scottish Episcopal Church, and, most recently, the Methodist Church, have all embraced marriage equality. In February 2023, the General Synod met to discuss the issue, raising the question across the Anglican Communion and Christendom: should Christianity extend the sacraments to same same-sex marriages?
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He seems to be struggling to find any scriptural basis.
Best not to take the Bible iterally.
@@pinguy2334 Why not?
@@Steve_the_Lion It says to kill
@@pinguy2334 Where in the new testament are Christians commanded to kill?
@@Steve_the_Lion Old testament which I see Christians use all the time.
His argument: "It isn't fair."
It's not fair that I can't have a harem like King Solomon. Guess what? I can still go to heaven
@@UnashamedlyGodSquad It was actually wrong that king Solomon had a harem. It is recorded that his promiscuity clouded his judgment and Israel paid the consequences.
@@GonzaReformado Thanks for clarifying
@@UnashamedlyGodSquad he paid for it, while he cried to God for forgiveness in his death bed but God is just and he got what he deserve his kingdom was split in to two after his death.
@Chad Terly Isaiah 58:6 “Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen:
to loose the chains of injustice
and untie the cords of the yoke,
to set the oppressed free
and break every yoke?" I don't think that Bible is encouraging slavery based on that, and about wearing more than one fabric that's the old covenant,we as christians live in the new covenant jeremiah 31:33(prophecy in the old testament of the new covenant) matthew 26:28
and john 13:34(mentions of the new covenant) and that means its no problem to wear more than one fabric:) ,and considering those I don't think christianity has bad moral atributes at all which for me it is logic to be a christian and that's not all there are a lot of explications for those questions and apparent problems , you can't just condemn that you have to be dumb to be a christian without doing some research before.Much peace!!
Isolated text. Isolated text. So he is twisting scripture to suit his ideology? A Christian believes everything in the bible and he calls himself a bishop??
Wow! We are in End Times. This so-called Reverend is deceiving people and himself. He is a false teacher. Who is he asking “why not”? ….he should direct that question to God.
End times?
2 Peter 2:1 NKJV - But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.
@@pinguy2334 The whole of this age is end times but Rome is gathering it's children. The bible. Said the end will be like the days of noah and of lot. Lot lived in Sodom and Glamorah.
@@Odo-so8pj Glad I dont believe that killer god stuff.
@@pinguy2334 Thats your problem to be fair Pin. I'm not here to talk you around. I'm giving you and others the info they need. That's my job done.
2 Peter 2:1 NKJV - But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.
He quoted ' It's not good for man to be alone'.... So God gave Adam a woman! Not another man!
God is merciful, but God is also holy and just.
@@Mumima100 yeah and look how that turned out. Eve ate the apple ,seduced and gaveit to Adam. If anything, another man would have been a better idea.
The Bishop quoted the following text of the Gospel of St John out of context, 'Jesus came so we may have life in all its fullness'. Jesus was referring to eternal life. The Bishop seems not to understand the meaning of scripture and is leading people to eternal damnation.
He is the same as the text the used for their report llf. 1 jn 4:11..if that is the exegesis of a bishop..what else would you expect
No, he was intentionally cherry picking because he has an agenda. Just from his speech, he says he is straight, but I think he's a closet homosexual
The guy in the funny collar has no idea what the definition of abundant life is.
@@hexahexametermeter But you do, I'm sure. 🙄
Starting to question whether he cheated on his exams as a novice.
'LIFE' in John's gospel refers to eternal life not as the bishop implied. He will answer for his careless words on the day of judgment.
This so-call Bishop knows that anyone all homosexuals and lesbians etc. are condemned just as the flesh is condemned.
Because the carnal mind is an enmity against God, for it is not subject to law of God, neither indeed can it be, according to his holy word.
For to be carnally minded is death,: but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.. according to his holy word, amen. Romans 8: 6,7
" When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel prohet, stand in the holy place (whosoever readeth let him understand). Mat. 24: 15.
This deciever, false prophet Catholic Bishop is no Christian
The holy word of God tells us; have
no fellowship with the unfruitful works darkness, but rather rebuke them.
He has no shame. Standing in public on national tv supporting and arguing for same-sex marriage.
This is so disgusting and so very wrong.
If wishes were horses...
How can bishops be so wrong and try so hard to twist scriptures?
Lord have mercy 🙌🏾
@@chadterly9842
Homosexuality is still condemned in the New Testament.
As for slavery, you have it wrong
*In the New Testament, the reality that slavery existed is accepted, but the practice is never affirmed or encouraged. The New Testament authors also strongly challenge the way slavery was understood and practiced in their time. For example, human trafficking is condemned (1 Timothy 1:10), masters are commanded to treat the their slaves well and are reminded that before God they and their slaves are equals (Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), and, where possible, the freeing of slaves is encouraged (1 Corinthians 7:21; Philemon 16). Through these condemnations, commands and encouragements, the New Testament strongly communicates that fact that slavery is not what God wants.*
*In this way, the Bible radically challenges the concept of slavery and the way it was practised and sows the seeds that later flowered into abolition. It should therefore not be surprising that throughout church history, many Christians (though sadly not all) have expressed concerns about slavery. There have always been some small shoots from the seeds sown in the Bible, even if they didn’t come into full bloom until recent centuries in many parts of the world.*
*When we turn to the topic of sexuality, however, we find no seeds of change. The Bible consistently teaches that sex is reserved for one-man, one-woman marriages and that same-sex sexual relationships are not acceptable to God. The New Testament affirms this and even strengthens the prohibitions of the Old Testament (e.g. Matthew 5:27-28; 19:7-9).*
*We also find that, unlike in the case of slavery, where there were diverse views in the Church from its earliest centuries, the Church has been unanimous and consistent in its view that sex and marriage are reserved for opposite-sex couples. The Bible contains no seeds for change on this position and church history shows no evidence of shoots emerging from such seeds.*
@Chad Terly They just read what they want in that book
@@chadterly9842 Short answer: certain Old Testament laws were ceremonial, simply to set the Jewish nation apart from other nations. Another example of this would be the ban on pork, which God specifically tells the apostle Peter is no longer applicable, or circumcision. Other laws were about morality, like "thou shalt not steal" or "thou shalt not covet thine neighbor's wife." The ban on homosexuality is a moral law.
Secondly, a lot of the laws in the Old Testament, such as on divorce or slavery, were intentionally permissive, giving a bottom for permissiveness, not a ceiling for holiness (also, slaves were regularly released every 50 years on the Jubilee year, in an attempt to remove generational slavery). Jesus addresses this point specifically when He says: "It was because of your hardness of heart that Moses allowed you to divorce your wives. But from the beginning it was not this way." Jesus gives us a high standard to aim at (be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect), so obviously not everything allowed before is ok now.
@Chad Terly Remember, when it comes to sin, Christianity has one crucial principal: Hate the sin, not the sinner! You make a lot of presumptions which shows a mirror of yourself. Don't conclude everything as hate, it's shallow.
The other reason why Church don't agree with gay marriage is that if you don't believe in God but still want to marry as gay then you don't need to marry in a church, but if you believe in God and want to marry as Christian then you can pray to God to change you so you can experience the calling of marriage as written in Genesis 2:24, “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.”
Irrespective of the sin element which I will not go into. Consider this...Homosexuality is a biological anomoly and if relied on as a whole the human race would be extinct. Why has God created a man and a woman? For a woman to wear a strap on prosthetic to please her partner's vagina? A vaginas anticipates a penis. Then for a man to have penetrative sex as his sexual organ requires, he must place in an excretory hole that is the anus with all its toxins. Now tell me that's all right??
Why not allow this and that if it makes one happy? ..asked the devil.
I am not a practising Christian but same sex marriage is against Gods / Jesus words. You have no right to try and change that. Your choice is to give up being a leader in the church. People are not banned from same sex interaction (at least not in the Christian faith) and indeed love, but Marriage is completely different. Having someone your own sex for company and indeed to love both physically and mentally is not condemned by most in the church I would suggest. Civil marriage is as far as it should go.
Here here
2 Peter 2:1 NKJV - But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.
The problem is God is not against it and the Bible has been manipulated to say he is out of prejudice and personal disgust by straight people.
@@NC-vz6ui That may be but there is no way to prove that.
@@cinnamondan4984 All you have to do is read the entire bible and church history. It's pretty easy to prove. This is nothing more than a personal disgust against something that people who don't experience it, don't understand it. It's really sad how brainwashed people are over this issue. Even if you believe it is a sin, Jesus came for hurt people, not to hurt people. You can not pick and choose what people you are going to be a shepard to. It is the work of the Holy Spirit to convict if it is a sin, not preachers assessing behaviors.
A new church is born. Loosely based on the bible and subject to evolving cultural values.
Church of satan
Ok but isn’t that how the new testament was made from the Old Testament, or are you really going out there murdering people.
Last week the other useful idiots argued that God was a woman. Father forgive them for they know not what they do.
Why does God have a sex?
Gods not real though. Wouldn’t go around calling people idiots if I were you.
@@adambamford956"In political jargon, a useful idiot is a term currently used to reference a person perceived as propagandizing for a cause-particularly a bad cause originating from a devious, ruthless source-without fully comprehending the cause's goals, and who is cynically being used by the cause's leaders."
They know what they are doing… this fellow for sure does…
There is no god period.
Ladies and Gentlemen. Here are 7 simple points as to why the church cannot support same-sex marriage:
1. God is the author of marriage, not humanity. Therefore, Humanity doesn’t have the right or authority to define marriage. Genesis 2 teaches us that when God saw that Adam was alone, he didn’t build Adam a brother or another Adam. He built Adam a woman. A Christian woman is designed by God to fulfil 3 purposes: 1. Procreation. God commanded the man to “be fruitful and multiply. (Genesis 1), Adam cannot fulfil this command with a man. Same sex couples cannot produce children. A man needs a woman for this. 2. Illustration. A marriage is suppose to reflect what God’s design for what a family is. “Therefore a man shall leave his mother and father and be joined to his wife and they shall become one flesh”. When God look at what a family is, he sees a man and woman joined together, nothing else. 3. Sanctification. a Christian marriage is suppose to reflect Jesus’s relationship with the church. They are one body. Just as a man and a woman married together are one flesh, one body.
2. Jesus himself is against homosexuality. Why? Because of the Holy Trinity, Jesus is God. Jesus was there when Sodom and Gomorrah was being destroyed for rape, homosexuality, and other wickedness. Jesus is the author of Leviticus, a book which contains the laws given to Israel, which condemns same sex sexual activities as an abomination. You cannot separate Jesus from the God the father and God the Holy Spirit. Jesus himself said “I have not come to destroy the law but to fulfil it”.
3. There are three types of laws in the bible. The moral law (summaries as the Ten Commandments), the Civil law (laws given to the nation of Israel, and ceremonial law (laws given on how to worship the True God rightly). Homosexuality being a sin is a moral law. This means that it is a law that needs to be preserved for all time, just like how murder and stealing are moral laws. Moral law transcends time and culture. We are all, believer and non-believer, sinner and non-sinner, are responsible to the moral law.
4. Homosexuality is a dangerous sin to commit. It is the only sin in the bible that God calls “an abomination” and in the Book of Romans, it is the one of the few sins where God says “there is a penalty in the flesh” if you commit this sin. This is why the LGBT community has the highest rates of Sexual diseases, high suicide rates, and various mental health issues. This is a judgement from God. This sin cannot be taken lightly.
5. The bible view on “Love” and the world’s view on “Love” are completely different. The bible doesn’t teach you to “follow your heart”, in fact, the bible teaches the opposite. In the book of Jeremiah, God says that “the heart is wicked and deceitful amongst all things, who can know it.” Since God is all loving, he defines what love is. God defines love in the Ten Commandments. We are called to love God first and then love others. This means that obeying God is a Christian’s first and top priority. Even Jesus himself, after saving a woman from persecution in the Book of Matthew, told the woman to “SIN NO MORE”. As a Christian, I cannot love you and see you embracing an act which is against God and will lead you to hell.
6. Finally, the bible is not outdated, because God is not outdated. God is an all powerful being who exists out of time. Do you really believe that such a God would give us a holy book that needs to be updated and complement to the modern culture? Absolutely not. The bible, in the book of Timothy, makes it clear that it is “a complete book, fit to equip a man for all good works”.
7. Since that fall of Adam in Genesis 3, we are all Sinners. This means we are all bent towards ourselves and not towards God. The book of Psalms echoes this point: “there is nobody, not one, that seeks for God”. We are all wretched sinners and everyone deserves to go to hell. God, through his love for us, sent his son to take all of our sins and die the death we should have done. We are saved through Jesus Christ my brothers and sisters. Therefore, Jesus himself said that if we truly loved him “we would keep his commandments”. This means that as Christians, we are ultimately called to OBEDIENCE, not just love. Love is a part of the nature of a Christian, it is not the be all and end all of what a Christian is. We must obey first, then love second. God himself in the book of Jeremiah, chapter 3 calls us to return to him, not to Love others harder.
Brothers and Sisters, from the book of Genesis, to the book of Leviticus, and the Book of Romans, it is clear that Homosexuality is not to be supported, embraced, celebrated, and accepted. Remember that our Goal is be like Christ, not like the world. We cannot adopt what the world wants, only what God wants, which is obedience, repentance, and a complete hatred of sin, not the sinner. If the church becomes like the world and thinks like the world, then we are mocking the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and disgracing the Gospel of Christ which saved us. Non-believers do not have the right to tell us what love is, because God has already done that.
So glad I dont support any church.
Spot on... GOD BLESS.
Thank you for this long passage! I am a new believer, and am trying to learn more about the Bible. Thanks for the help!
Thank you Be blessed! Go with the truth! Am amazed
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I am not a Bishop, but how can I find so many misuses of Bible verses in his argument? 🤦♂
Putting the SIN back into Synod
Ha!
Amen!
His argument is a bit absurd in a Christian context. First, Christianity is not about "equality." People born with one arm are certainly not physically equal to those born with two. Likewise persons with homosexual inclination are not equal in eligibility to marriage as heterosexuals. One might cry - unfair! But as Jesus says to his apostles," you are thinking as men think, not as God thinks."
Amen
Look, there is no biblical exegesis you can do that would allow for same-sex marriage. Richard B. Hays has essentially demonstrated this in his book "The Moral Vision of the New Testament." Sorry, the more honest position is to simply reject the Bible, so as to embrace same-sex marriage. If you do that, you may as well reject the biblical teachings (to includes Jesus') that are also otherwise uncomfortable to the culture.
because there is no exegesis you can do at all. it is full of contradictions, fictions, mistakes, a couple forgeries. There's no making a coherent teaching out of it with taking tons of liberties and interpretations
@@emilianosintarias7337 you’re simply wrong.
@@emilianosintarias7337 you are simply correct 😉
So black and white with all these comments. The colour gray does exist.
People support this movement use the bible and their own reason. They try to balance both.
The people against all have the same argument and that is that the bible should have main authority not reason.
I disagree. The bible does not speak for itself. There is no foundation. It's all interpretation. Reasoning and scripture go hand in hand. Otherwise we might as well never grow and be no different then any other religion.
This is why people shouldn't interpret the Bible on their own.
This ‘bishop’ is reading his own views into the text. His views are not founded upon biblical truth but through his own worldly experiences that he then tries to find an exception for in the Bible so he doesn’t have to quit his day job as a church leader, of course he hasn’t found it so he twists the scriptures to fit his own world view. The Apostle Paul warned of this in his first letter to Timothy and in his letter to the Romans.
I rebuke this agent of the devil!
The ghoulish scream at the end from the crowd says it all. This is the argument told to Jesus while trying to temp him in the desert. Have mercy on your self, save your self
He kept trying to convince the audience / himself that he's "heterosexual". I don't belive a word of it. He's an apostate, pure and simple. Leave the church and create your own. Don't preach lies.
Marriage between a man and a woman was instituted by God with Adam and Eve. Genesis 2:24 states: “Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh.”
In Matthew 19:4-5, Jesus reaffirms this: “He answered, ‘Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one’?”
So what has this person got to do with faith, but much ado about politics.
Gay marriage is cool as well.
Exactly.
2 Peter 2:1 NKJV - But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.
@@pinguy2334 satan agrees
@@J_a_s_o_n So Satan is good you think?
POI: ‘Denied, you’ve had your chance’. Point of Order: This is not how points of information work.
Men who support this view in the church need a revelation of the fear of God. To believe that marriage, according to God, is anything other than a male and female covenant is to be tragically deceived.
"His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction." ... The crux of the issue is whether homosexual acts are sinful or not, if one fails to acknowledge that then he can easily negate ANY other sin by his 'reasoning'. Woe to this supposed Bishop.
No, because other sins are clearly harmful. Like theft for example.
“I thought then, and I still think now” is the very reason we need God because HE says the heart is wicked and rebellious. Why should God’s Word bend to suit our flesh? In reality, we have the FREE WILL to do whatever our heart desires! Just be certain, in the day you face Him, which can be at any moment…you will have to give an account for your lifestyle! Hebrews 4:13. Have it your way. Until you stand before a Holy God; go ahead and live it up…right into the “Lake of Fire!” 😢😢😢🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽And this man will be held to a higher standard misleading many! Please pray for his soul…🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
As a person of a community where modernism is just a baby, i am baffled by developed countries.
My forefathers converted to Christianity by missionaries and i am glad they accepted this religion whic is all about love and mercy.
I am surrounded by many religions and have watched them closely.
I can say all of them Christianity is the most liberal and has the most modern thoughts.
My vew in this topic, i would say it's it's clearly mentioned in the Bible, Romans 1:26-27.....
no need to be baffled, the answer is very simple. prosperity leads to decadence which leads to moral decay. it's a cycle which every civilization goes through and ours is no exception.
Strong men create good times create weak men create bad times create strong men.
Sin makes our brain shrink.
How about this.... the choice is about obedience to God or disobedience, not necessarily about being single/celibate or getting married.
So if a gay person obeys God he/she will have to live a ceibate life.
Yup. If Christ isn't your choice your option is eternal death.
What a crap sounding way of life. Why be obedient to someone who more than likely doesn't exist?
What are we then to do about other relations besides homosexual for which some people burn?
Do we allow homosexual marriage but not others because it's just more obvious why the other desires are wicked if given in to them?
Why are “we” allowing? Scripture is clearly against it. Unless we are saying we know better than God?!
@@ifunanya24 know one "knows" God's thoughts. Only he does. The bible is merely a interpretation of his thoughts.
@@dropdmacrossaint4039 the Bible is not an interpretation of God’s thoughts. What on earth are you talking about?? It has historical accounts of important events, and shows the full of humanity and how God redeems humanity through Jesus Christ.
If you read the Bible and study it in context, it’s obvious.
@@ifunanya24 I do read the bible. I am finishing my bachelors in Theology. And unfortunately, the bible is by no means a historical.
There is no foundation. It's interpretation all the way through. Doesn't mean you shouldn't believe what you read. Just means you must be more creative in how you understand the term "truth"
@@ifunanya24 it is unfortunate for people to see the bible as a history book. It is more so a book that spreads love, faith, and hope
He really needs to do a study of the Word life in the book of John. If he did that, he'd realise what Jesus actually means in John 10:10, and has nothing to do with marriage.
All that education only to resort to proof texting. What a shame...
@@hexahexametermeter Makes you long for the day when fishermen led the church, doesn't it?
Martin Garrick needs to get born again by the Holy Spirit. Some are called by man and others by God. He needs to read the scripture about teachers/shepherds who lead Gods people away from truth. Their blood would be required of Him. Who must we obey, God or man. The bible clearly speaks against homosexuality, the act, not against the person. You need to understand marriage which is a reflection of Christ and his church. This is why the church is called a bride. This is why a man is instructed to love his wife (woman) like Christ loves the church. Martin also needs to understand the word love. Love is not some sexual act or desire. Jesus said if we love him we obey what he has said and if we are loving folks with Christ love, that love would not, WOULD NOT, push us to sin against Christ. Same sex marriage should not be in the church. Any church allowing this is in apostasy and will be judged by the hands of God for leading folks to sin against Him. We cannot mix the holy with the vile, the light and darkness.. it’s creates an abomination and hastens the judgement of God.
Who is this priest ? unbelievable.
You want to argue based on secular thought against scripture. What a shock!!!!
The reason why marriage is between a man and a woman is because Christ Jesus is the Bridegroom and the Church is his Bridesmaid so marriage is between a man and a woman period!
"Love" is the most weaponized word Satan has in his arsenal.
Who ordained this homosexuality lover?
The Bible defines marriage between Man and Woman. And Homosexuality and lesbianism as sin and against nature. Period . There is no compromise. Church which accepts these things are not the Church of Jesus Christ, but something else. Jesus Christ came to lead people way from sin and cleanse their sins, not to commit more sin and abomination.
It sounds nice to allow inclusivity into the church, but it's Pandora's box.
You are right on that however that being said. If you wish to be married by the church then you should follow it's rules. If we allow same sex marriage then that is simply one point being lenient and not the rest.
@@EvilZ2009 To most Christians, it's a major point being lenient and it won't even end there. As in, Christians will start questioning if they've been living a lie or the new order is the lie. Either option doesn't sound good for followers of a faith based religion.
@@DrMarvel562 i see your point,to be honest I don't really believe in same sex marriage in the Catholic church considering it's trying to, as you said ply a board that is held tightly through centuries of tradition.... Then again I never got married in church because I know I am not a very strong believer and so I preferred a civil wedding.
Christianity is an exclusivistic religion
@@EvilZ2009 the church is for the weak to grow strong
Talk about a butchering of the scripture... this guy is clearly walking around the passages that explicitly state that homosexuality is a sin and should he treated as such.
He also clearly did not want to be challenged on this and was terrible dismissive of anyone trying to challenge him.
What will u tell the Lord when standing before the Throne?
"It's not fair"
"Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
He would do well to listen to C Robinson's speech. "Choose love, choose life" this man blithely states. I think his priorities are wrong, he confuses church and society, secular and spiritual. He speaks with all the right intonations but the words are wrong. A veneer Bishop
Exactly
Totally agree with you!
Stop changing God’s word. Leave the faith or repent!
He has no base to his argument. He said nothing, except misquote Paul & lie about Jesus.
When such matter about doctrine are even debated at all. It a sign that England has lost it. Were are the days of Wesley? Quoting Shakespeare (what happened to the Bible)
"I hear the devil at work" (Rev. Calvin Robinson)
Where in scripture does it say that same sex marriage is approved of by God…….
Jesus calls us to die to the flesh/self and to pick up cross daily and follow Him. Why do we have to gratify the flesh over following Him? Why is sex SO magnified in culture? Sexual immorality is dominating the world and in an instant we shall behold Him. Is it truly worth it to “choose a loving partner” over the One who created you and wants to spend all of eternity with you? This life is a vapor and many don’t believe HELL is real, His judgement is sure and HE absolutely cannot condone sin. 😢😢😢🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Wow! Jonh 10:10 is interpreted in an utterly bogus way! what a shame of the so-called reverends of nowadays. Where's the first part of the verse? is dissecting verses without any context for our own narrative right?
The United Kingdom, like most western countries at this point, allows same-sex marriages. I really don’t know why the churches would feel a need to get involved. You don’t need a cleric to get married.
To get that life that Jesus spoke of, we must repent of our sins, walk away from them, and follow Jesus. If you continue in your sin then you have death not life, you are not following Christ.
It is so encouraging, to see how implausible ministers invariably are when they try to make Christian arguments for un-Christian things.
Encouraging in what sense?
@@azarel7 It shows the limitations of those who would otherwise mislead people.
@@catholicmilitaryassociation Yeah i figured you meant that but i wanted to be sure. They definitely begin to sound quite wonky and illogical.
This Bishop is mixing Bible and his desire in this.
How did this guy become a bishop?
Why not? Because God says so. God is very clear about it. It is not up to man to change God's law. This is despicable.
Here we have "Christianity Light". There are rules, but if you don't like them we can change them, according to the latest fashion.
By definition a Christian is a follower of Christ these Bishop's are not following him, you aren't listening to Christians.
"Why deny love?" he asks. Why deny a man the ability to love several women at the same time? Every man is born a polygamist.
He needs to repent.
That's what you get when apostasy takes place; Church of England repent and go back to the One and True Catholic Church!
What a naive argument. You have twisted the scriptures. Out of Context, What did you learn in seminary.
"For a Christian, who is straight, like me..." Who you trying to convince?
Wow 4 minutes in and he has declared AGAIN that he is heterosexual. I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU!
Why deny them love... deny them abundant life!? The church doesn't control love you can love anyone, neither does the church judge on judgement day
2 Cor 10:12 "For we dare not class ourselves or compare ourselves with those who commend themselves. But they, measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise. "
I can't believe this man is using the holy Bible to defend lust
If you want to be Christian and you think you can change it then you think you're more powerful than God? Really? You think you know better than Him?
You cannot enjoy sin and have life😂😂the wages of sin is death. May God have mercy on the Anglican church of Dudley.
Like every other argument for same sex marriage, this Bishop’s stance holds no water, no biblical supporting verses, and illogical, it’s all about feelings. Nothing more than feelings.😂
False teaching won't do any good; instead, by teaching the right path of truth (our God-Jesus Christand), helping them (Repent) to achieve their Christian life, not ungodly WORLDLY flesh and desire.
How clear parts of the Bible are denied called unclear is unbelievable…. Fact is homosexuality is sin whether u like it or not. Shame on this deceitful priest!
I haven't memorized the bible, but aren't there a few times when Jesus tells sinners to repent and sin no more? He saves the prostitute and tells her her sins are forgiven; to go and sin no more, not I forgive you, go about your business and I will save you the next time your customers come round to stone you! All this support for gay marriage would be reasonable if one does not know what happens in the gay community. Up to 98% of especially male unions are rife with extra "marital" partners. And many female unions are not only non monogamous, but have a high degree of physical abuse and battery, as women are a very jealous lot. How is this conducive to marital happiness, and squared with what Jesus said about A man and A woman, abolishing the old Jewish laws that allowed a man to divorce his wife and marry another?
Discernment is in short supply nowadays, and discernment is not easy. "Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so" (Acts 17:11, English Standard Version). Also, "Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness." Ephesians 4:11-16 English Standard Version).
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The longer he spoke, the more he revealed his ignorance of the context of the Scriptures he quotes.
So, sisters and brothers, tonight, choose truth. The whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Obviously there’s no scriptural backing to his motion. Speaking contrary to the will of God. It is not good for man to be alone... why did he stop there? He took a scripture out of context and twist it to suit his canal desires. I’ll make for him an helpmeet (woman). God made woman not another man.
To further drive home my point, there was never any record in the Bible of our fathers of faith marrying a man or giving out their sons in marriage to another man. Someone should remind him what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah. Wives summit yourselves to your own husbands...Ephesians 5:22. So are we gonna call men wives now?
A new issue? I present for your consideration: Sodom and Gomorrah. They called evil, good. God is merciful. He is also holy. Mercy is not abomination.\
I pray the last thing you hear God say, "Denied, you had your chance."
The truth: a loving, merciful, good, holy God will send people into hell. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Jesus also said if you marry a divorced women you are a sinner. Or if you look at a woman with lust you are sinner. How many Chrisians really follow those teachings?
I love it when he cherry picks scriptures. It's sinful. Yet he condones it. How can you live a Christian life, and be a homosexual?? That man really needs to do some soul searching. He says he's straight. 🤔 Also, if the church allows homosexual marriage, does it allow trans people marrying? Pedophiles?
God love is divine and not lustful
He seems to have a likeable personality but I believe he's far from what the Bible says concerning sexuality and marriage. The world is eating the church up and we're not surprised, because the Bible tells us of days like these.
And as much as we'd like to hope that people come to the light of the true doctrine on this topic, we must strive to keep ourselves unblemished from any other sin/unrighteousness before the day of the Lord. Because, as for the world, it will wax worse and worse, but blessed is the one who occupies till He comes!
Lord, please open our eyes to see your Wisdom in Jesus' name. 🙏
This is a sign of the end times, when a Reverend will stand up to argue for gay marriage and say that there is no scripture that clearly forbids that???
Loving doesn't mean condoning Sin. The same Loving God also talks of eternal fire in Hell for those not saved.
Loving committed monogamous same sex marriage for life is not condemned in the Bible anywhere. As a gay man, thank you. A 51 year marriage to my accepting wife who had MS for 26 years before she passed did not change a thing. I cared for her for almost all that time. I am not sexually active but I strongly support same sex marriage. I was a Baptist Pastor but am now forbidden to even attend church just because I am gay. The fact that I am gay was medically proven during electronic shock therapy as part of 13 years of reparative therapy. The entire medical profession declassified homosexuality as an illness 50 years ago this year 2023.
Read your bible properly and stop trying to read in pink colored glasses, the biblical teachings are so clear and God almighty says it is an abomination. The first things you see when trying to find scripture about it on google is people trying to paint the Bible in red, pink and blue but the Bible is black and white and always has been. I would rather you saying you are not Christian than misleading yourself and others, the Bible is a lot like the Quran and Torah. But people don’t try to change them and follow them properly. God loves you and wants you you come to him in holiness and with a clear and good heart. Give yourself completely to God and he will guide your heart and soul and your justification of sin will become shame and eventually it will become a story of your salvation and hope, your story showed that you are ashamed of that identity but you keep trying to find someone and not God to tell you that what you are doing is right and justifying that the Bible doesn’t speak about it, sure it does and in your deepest of hearts you know. As a Christian I will tell you this God is your maker praise him, love him and worship him only. You only need God to tell you what is Good and just, without the noise of the world speak to God and learn about his word clearly. He knows you and your struggles and he will not abandon you.
@@laetitiac9890 The verses that say homosexuality was an abomination are Lev 18:22 and 20:13. But Lev 19:37 and Lev 20:22 say "Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them." If you want to condemn homosexuality, please explain how you obey EVERY single Old Testament law, all 613 of them. Please start with Lev 20:9 and tell me how many children you have killed lately for cursing their father or his mother. I take scripture VERY seriously. What other verses do you have to condemn homosexuality?
@@ronsmith2241 the New Testament also mentions it in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Romans 1: 26-27
From the Holy Scriptures 1 Corinthians 14: 33-35:
"For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.
As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church."
Wow a bishop who does not undertand simple scripture, right at the start he quotes life in fullness, the scripture means his life Jesus life, not our life, how to twist the scripture at its best
Bunch of snobs laughing and ridiculing Dudley.
Clearly a very nice guy who has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about.
The word of God does not change. There is no scripture in the Bible that supports homosexuality. If it is wrong it is wrong. Please do not God unleash His wrath on us.
He sounds like a man of the world, and not of God .
Yeah that´s called frienship, Bishop. It goes without the sex thing, you know.
What is happening in the world today!!!! These people are what makes people mock Christianity!!!
I'm surprised how people simply don't see the clarity: he created man-woman and bless them..
lol "we need to look deeper in Scripture." Good luck with that pal, doesnt matter how deep you dig, you will never find that it is ok.
It's funny that He actually DID NOT look deeper in Scripture. I guess because He knows what it contains as it relates to homosexuality and marriage. Overall very poor presentation of His side of the argument.. 8 minutes of nothing really..
God id love and mercy but on his terms not ours and the only concrete guidance we have comes from the bible
It's Adam & Eve,not Adam & Steve🙏
All those who argue for gay marriage don't always use scriptures but use human logic
The devil will always not accept the truth.
"The greatest trick the Devil pulled was convincing the world there was only one of him.”
Completely nonsensical argument here. I don't understand how "having life in abundance" means being able to openly sin. 4:00 "Could repressing your natural instincts and desires be hazardous at the end?" That's the whole point, these desires aren't natural, they're sinful according to Scripture (Rom. 1:26-27).
Mr. Gorrick seems to be attempting to please men versus serving God. He is certainly not being obedient to holy scripture.
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"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."
- 2 Tim. 3:16-17 (KJV)