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Currently, Church of England members of the clergy are not permitted to carry out same-sex marriages, whilst homosexual Anglicans are required to remain celibate. In recent years, however, the Church of Wales, the Scottish Episcopal Church, and, most recently, the Methodist Church, have all embraced marriage equality. In February 2023, the General Synod met to discuss the issue, raising the question across the Anglican Communion and Christendom: should Christianity extend the sacraments to same same-sex marriages?
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I'd love to see the person who said yes to telling the Muslims to change their beliefs about homosexuality actually do that. Let me know how that turns out.
😂😂😂 they won’t dare ..they rather challenge God
Exactly Muslims are the most devout of all the religions. Exemplary!!
Muslims (at least those who are not liberalized, believe it or not the liberal tide is swooping our nations too!) respect God's words and Prophets' deeds.. We won't yield to this mob Inshaallah.
@@anaselassal3322 I respect that. Have you read "Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus" by Nabeel Qureshi?
@@derrickdinwiddie8759 No I haven't. But I know Nabiel on the surface. Heard of him but never listened or read for him.
I think Muslims never lose Jesus peace be upon him when they find Allah (God). I revere Jesus and love him just like all the prophets including Mohammed peace be upon him.
Christians have elevated a prophet into a place of undue worship. Jews have blasphemed against and tried to kill their prophets. Muslims on the other hand achieve true monotheism by revering God's words and obeying him and his prophets.
Kudos Rev. Calvin for standing on the truth. Cardinal Newman once said that "the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for the good men to do nothing ".
And according to Saint Augustine of Hippo, "if you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe in, but yourself.”
@Michelle Louise Davis What irony? Or you just talking to talk🤡
@Michelle Louise Davis Seek God Michelle. Before it's too late for you.
@@Josh-iz5kbewwe stop forcing your cult teaching to others
I thank God for a brave man of God like this pastor who is not afraid to stand up strong for biblical values instead of succumbing to the toxic woke view in this ungodly nation. May God strengthen him. 🙏
I resent the fact that mainstream culture has co-opted the term woke and perverted it.
Exactly!
@@mariz_mariz I was just thinking the other day that the only "woke" we need to be is awake in Jesus. Because no other "awakeness", "open-mindedness" or "enlightenment" matters except the truth of Jesus and what the Word says
@@mariz_mariz, ethics necessarily remains constant within all human societies throughout time. Never will there come a time when blatantly harmful deeds will be considered beneficial to society, or else that society will perish!
Thank God ....
An excellent, forthright rebuke to Welby and his cronies for the un-Scriptural, God-dishonouring decision that underscores the Apostacy of the Church of England .
But as Welby is right....what is the issue?
lost the plot n these are the head of society's,One thing for sure None none are above God's Law N His all can be altered in theory but can remove God's Sprirtual Laws
@@pastorbri Still pretending to be a pastor, Brian?
If Anglicanism denies its own Cannon law (based upon the cardinal theology of the historical faith), then it ceases to be a church. The results are going to be dreadful.
Indeed. Not many people appear to have spotted that though.
When did you first notice? You're about 100 years late to the party.
@@c.a.g.3130 Not really. I sought to council my own (local) Anglican Church on the dangers of all this several years back, and also supported the ABWON 'Sexuality and the Church' initiative (from the outside) in the 1990s. The slide has been going on for a long time.
@@howardbabcom Indeed.
@@howardbabcom there's no church left , CoE has bowed to satan long ago.
Matthew 3:25 if you divide this house, your house can no longer stand.
so kick out the homophobics
How dare Welby and his cabal of bishops do this? He should resign.
Too late ,he is a gonner.
I wish homophobics would resign
@pastor brian homosexuals are not feared , the consequences of ending heteronormativity are feared , and of some of the more extreme advocates e.g. the Q part of lgbtq. To label as homophobic is just a cudgel to attack rather than engage.
@@shamster7182 I agree, homophobics do not fear LGBT as this is not what the disorder means. Look it up.....Also there is no ending of "heteronormativity" as such a word doesn't exist. So no need to worry there. Homophobia is aa real mental disorder, and it is anti-christ to follow it, I am just the messenger of God, you can of course ignore the bible?
@@pastorbri you're a nutter!
Brilliantly said !!!’ God bless you and protect you !
I am muslim, and I am happy to see, at lasr, some courages church figures standing firm for traditional family and for the good of society, against Liberal deviation in trying to redefine marriage and love.
We, Muslims, started to feel alone in this field.
Thank you.
Listen, what you've watched is all about western Christianity, we, Christians of the Middle East, where Christianity has begun, have zero tolerance towards what's irrnously called "gay marriage". We know and believe that marriage is only between Male and Female!
Thankyou
From a Christian to a Muslim
Islam teaches homosexuality is a sin
End of.
No going about the houses and becoming woke
You Muslims don't try to change or ignore what the Koran says
I just wish that the General Synod felt the same
And many people will leave the Church of England
Now come to Jesus.
Have you read the Bible?
I think you find 9.7 million Jehovah witnesses won't stand for it. And stand by debouched act's. Sodom and gormoral
I loved his colonialist point, that we are going to teach the huge African Anglican union, to be ‘modern and inclusive’ and correct their erroneous beliefs. And this is seventy five percent of the worldwide Anglican union. This is a cataclysmic departure from the historical biblical Christian and Jewish faiths.
I agree. Though I've come to accept same sex marriage by the state, I agree with you that his colonialist point was spot on. A few weeks ago I watched a CNN reporter Christiana Armanpour (sp) chastise the leader of an African state on the topic of gay rights. The thought immediately entered my mind that her badgering could be considered, from a leftist perspective, a form of "white colonialism".
Another Outstanding speech by Rev Ian Paul.
lets hope more see homophobia is wrong
@@pastorbri Where is this 'homophobia' you speak of?
@@TheB1nary Really? U don't think telling LGBT folk they can't have the same rights u have is not homophobic?
@@pastorbri Depends what you mean by "rights."They work, they shop, eat out, drive, go on holidays like others! The issue here is the word SIN!!
@@wesleygordon1645 see no reply, proved u wrong!
The title shouldn't be "Christianity Should not Allow Gay Marriage" but "Christianity does not allow Christian marriage. Christianity is decided by Christ.
Great comment
Amen, brother.
Well these Anglicans aren’t in the Christian church (the traditional Catholic Church), they have separated themselves from the Body of Christ as Protestants.
This man even acknowledges it when he makes reference to their founding in the 15th century.
Fifteen centuries TOO LATE to be Jesus Christ’s church.
@@verum-in-omnibus1035 The RCC is an apostate Church.
@@verum-in-omnibus1035 What? Catholics aren't Christians.
2 Peter 2:1 NKJV - But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.
oh thaats proof of the homophobic lifestyle.
Wonderful to listen to this Rev.Dr Ian Paul, you spoke the Truth (I am the Way, the Truth and the Life)
Homophobia is a sin is truth
@@pastorbri Absolutely ❤
@@pastorbri Brian, you're a fake pastor and unrepentant unbeliever, so here you go:
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Romans 3:23-26
@@margaretlumley1648 repent and believe for the kingdom of God is at hand
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Romans 3:23-26
@@Xavier-ww9zy Then you are a false christian as you are a proud unrepentant unbeliever, so here you go:
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Romans 3:23-26
So why should I care what a fake christian says to a christian like me old fruit?
The big boys will do what they want, history has not changed the human heart. Christians always, but ALWAYS, must stand separate from the worldly throng. What did Jesus say? "If they hated me, they will hate you also".
But it is shameful that they are not holding up the truth to the world
Well said. An excellent speech. Why does he have to persuade self serving Bishops of this?
It's tragic. Ian Paul and Calvin Robinson should be the Bishops, not the heretics they are having to debate.
I don't think he did. I think they voted for
@@matt76716homophobia is anti god
The other issue lost in this modern debate is the poor understanding of marriage in the 1st place. Marriage was never created for singularly purpose of happiness for the two spouse but for the purpose of stability & protection of the family as a whole. Both the spouses and children!
Yes, Amen. Its purpose is also for the spiritual act of procreation. And we also see it foreshadowed with the Church being the bridegroom of Christ. It is not about lust, sex, or happiness. It is beyond the material and physical. Amen!
What if the couple don't want kids? In that case, surely it IS for the purpose of happiness for the two individuals.
@@matthewcollins7358 read my comment again. I said marriage was created for stability and protection of Spouses not just kids but them too if they are present and a part of the equation. If the couple doesn't want kids and (there are some who don't) then that is their mutual consensus. I know one couple married late in life married to no one else before who does not have children. Everyone else I know married has or wants kids. Most do.
Marriage vows are created in spite of feeling not because of them feelings/emotions come & go vows and commitments remain. This is the advice given to me by all of the people who achieved lifelong marriages. Married in their very early 20's died within years of each other in their 90's most of them anyway. All the WW2 generation. A generation who knew what commitment ment, we could learn a lot from them.
Marriage is a covenant...created by God, with Jesus in the middle. Jesus is your happiness as you give yourself to your spouse.
Marriage purpose was to sell women off to men they didint even have choice who they wanted to marry unnhappy marriage is a bad thing and bad for children as well it causes abuse as well it was not a good thing
Brutally honest argument!
I’m with Jesus all the way ! Don’t care what any church or domination priests or bishops say
aand Jesus hates homophobia
@@pastorbri Jesus against sin ! Any sin read your Bible 🤷🏻♀️
@@marinatorba I don't think the 'pastor' is actually a pastor ;)
@@marinatorba Oh I agree, and as homophobia is a sin....Jesus is against it, read your bible old chap.....
@@pastorbri I know you want God to conform to your ideas and beliefs but God is still God and no one can do anything about that and nowhere in the Bible it mentions homophobia ! We will all stand before God for judgement including you
Church be faithful to scripture. We are called to suffer for Gospel, defend the Gospel, continue in Gospel and preach the Gospel.
Excellent stuff - thank you! If only the CoE had enough bishops who were listening!
If only. There were three in the room; not one engaged with any of my points!
@@Psephizo To be fair to the bishops in the Scottish Episcopal Church, there was one bishop in 2017 who voted against revising the marriage canon (and against allowing same-sex marriage in churches). Sadly he was outvoted by the other four bishops present. The moral is that some people (including bishops) do listen, and that God's word will accomplish what he desires (Is 55:11).
The 'bishops' were the offense that made the Reformation necessary.
Why was there no laughter at 0:31
if only homophobics would just leave the church
Rev. Calvin, and this gentleman gave a rather good speech. I must say, I'm so glad I was guided to Catholicism. I'm an English Roman Catholic.
I was an agnostic for all my life. It took me 4 years of investigation of all major religions before I converted.
When I was baptised into the Catholic church I was and am so happy.
I converted based on historical and theological evidence.
The local Anglican church seems empty. Not just in its pews. But my English Catholic church is growing.
We have many black African immigrants and some native Englishmen like myself. I was Baptised by Fr. Dennis of Ghana and got the Eucharist by Fr. Pascal of Angola. Two great African priests which we need here as my countrymen in this nation have fallen away.
But I'm glad to say the other week we had to house people in the choir pit. There are so many now.
For my Anglican brothers, they are in schism. They will remain so until they come to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. I'm only in my 20's and a student and young people want tradition.
Not a government telling me what God "really thinks."
The World Anglican Church would agree with you, it is just the church of England Anglican Church that have ignored the scriptures on marriage.
Roman Catholicism is a false religion. Where in the NT does it say we worship Mary and have rosary beads or need to confess our sins to a priest in a confession box? We pray to God thru Jesus who is our intercessor.
I do not wish to spark debate here but simply clarify:
1) We do not worship Mary. And I hope you believe Catholics when we say that. Worship belongs to God alone. Mary’s “yes” to God’s will, becoming the vessel through which God entered into our humanity, is a very big deal. She is venerated, NOT worshipped. And, since it is related and I’ve seen it argued before, no, us praying ro Mary or the Saints does not mean we worship them. We believe they are in Heaven with God and can also pray on our behalf, as they are literally right there with Him. It is similar to if I asked you, my brother or sister, to pray for me. This does not mean we do not pray directly to God through Jesus, which we do every day. I pray the Rosary daily- oh, why would Jesus ignore his own mother coming to him on my behalf? Did he not listen to her at the Wedding of Cana?- but I also, and most importantly, talk with Jesus daily. In fact, every morning I start my day thanking God for the day and praying to him to forgive me of my sins, to help me to repent, and also see if I need to go to Confession, which leads me to my next point…
2) Jesus specifically told us to confess our sins to each other and also told the apostles that whatever they bind on Earth will be bound in Heaven and whatever they loose on Earth will be loosened in Heaven.
From personal experience, There is a beautiful freedom of knowing that you are in fact forgiven of your sins, instead of doing a crazy mental gymnastics that I have heard many of my non-Catholic brothers and sisters lament on because they have very little certainty of their forgiven state. I have received so much beautiful counsel from our priests leading me to a holier life. I pray that you too may one day experience the joy and love I have experienced through Jesus in the Confessional.
In the Epistle of James, it is said to confess our sins to one another, sorry for my mistake there*
Hi I'm a Muslim from the UK and I find Catholicism fascinating!!! I love it.
Thank you Ian. May the Lord bless you and keep you.
But God doesn't bless sin and homophobia is a sin
@@pastorbri He doesn't ever bless homosexuality. Or adultery. Or deception. Or heresy. I could go on.
@@TheB1nary Adultery and deceptions are choices we can make, being born different is not a sin, so as homophobia is a choice he won't bless ur sin! Ironic eh. I could go on also.
@@pastorbri
Getting a penis up your ass isn't a choice ? Are you kidding me ?
I haven't made the choice of falling in love with my mother, can I marry her with her consent? Or my sister? What if you're born pedophile ? Why wouldn't you fuck a consentent kid ?
Homosexual intercourse a sin and its written down in the Bible several times very clearly.
Also homophobia isn't a choice by the way. Either is Arachnophobia. It's a phobia
Obeying God's will by loving all people including the ones with homosexual tendencies, but not celebrating in the church their sinking down in sin isn't homophobic. We must support all sinners, love them, in conduct ourself toward them in truth.
@@MrDamoune Its NONE of ur buisness if a man puts his penis up an arse, after all, millions of heterosexuals do it, but I guess its ok when its heterosexual sex. Lesbians don't so by ur logic lesbians are ok too.....yes?
I guess you are a bit simple as pediphiles are child abusers, so again by ur logic child abuse and rape is the same as 2 men in love now??? THAT is sick old bean.....
Obeying God's will by loving all people including the ones with homophobic tendencies, but not celebrating in the church their evil sinking down in sin isn't wrong, you should stop supporting the sickness of homophobia. We must support all sinners, love them, in conduct our self toward them in truth.....shame u homophobics never do as u preach.
No offense, but do u worship satan?
Christ says, my sheep hear my voice and they will not follow the voice of a stranger!
Thank you, Ian. You nailed it.
Homophobia is a sin nails it
Christians must step up .
yes, against homophobia
@@Jack-fs2im yes homophobics are satan lovers, well said.
@pastor brian i love the sinner but i hate homosexuality
@@releventhurt Where as I love you homophobics but hate your homophobic sin you love......never mind, maybe you will grow up one day old chap.
@@pastorbri Being against gay marriage doesn't mean homophobia.
A powerful sermon and preaching!
The truth well argued, thank you Rev Paul.
very nice talk!
I thank the Lord for my brother contending in truth, as the Lord called all his saints to do. May we all be inspired to do this in our personal lives and the public squares 🙏🏽
In your own words, define “TRUTH”. ☝️🤔☝️
@@ReverendDr.Thomas no thanks, but here is the the truth: Jesus Christ. He is the way, the truth, and the life, and no one comes to the Father except through him. Here you go, Thomas:
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Romans 3:23-26
@@Xavier-ww9zy, I am your lord, your god, and your MASTER.
Therefore, whenever you send me a message or reply to a comment of mine, it is IMPERATIVE that you address me accordingly.
E.g. “How are you, Master?”
Is that understood, SLAVE?
@@ReverendDr.Thomas so you're a fake reverend and a fake god. Good to know, but in America we have an abundance of those. Off to the dumpsters your opinion goes 🗑️ 🤣 but glory the Lord Jesus for allowing you the freedom to live long enough to speak foolishly. Christ Jesus, truly, is graceful 🙏🏽
@@Xavier-ww9zy, I regret to inform you, Slave, that your response is INCORRECT. 👎
The CORRECT answer is “Yes, Master”. ✅
Bless You Always, TYPICAL Arrogant Westerner! 😇
Preaching the truth with love and mercy. No comprise to the culture.
I understand you mean "No compromise", brother, and I agree with you.
@@emettderek4536 Thank you for the correction .
@@artjimenez6530 you're welcome😊✝️
Homophobia is not love or mercy so
@@emettderek4536culture is a good thing
Brilliant, well done. Clear, concise, biblical… something the other side hasn’t managed.
And bigoted like you. Your church has taught you to hate people who are not like you.
@@geralddavidson6518 What makes you think I hate gay people?
For centuries murderous antisemitism proclaimed itself biblical. Christians today are making the same mistake in using the Bible against lbgt follk
This shouldn’t even be an argument or discussion. They are literally debating if sin and abomination is okay. They call themselves wise but are fools. Jesus will say I never knew you.
Gods against Sin, Romans chapter 1 verse 18 to 32. Explains those that Sin, God will abandon them.😮
how so when this is paul condemning the heterosexuals who did same sex acts in idolotry
Calvin played a blinder, the finish was sublime.
FEELINGS cannot be considered over TRUTH - a random Internet wise guy
lmao when has the church ever worried about the truth
@@nickd553 All the time? Because that's the foundation of the Holy Bible? 🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@absolustely.honest82 which is why Galileo was persecuted for trying to spead heresy about the Earth not being at the centre of the Universe
@@nickd553 That was Copernicus, not Galileo but he was persecuted also for his efforts to build a telescope to view the cosmos. I agree, the church is very sensitive and scared of new discoveries that might prove the Bible wrong. But hey, that's their faith and it's fair they are trying to defend that. But that doesn't mean the Church lies always, and everything the woke holds is true!
@@nickd553 tbh, that seems kinda expectable of people who have no connection to "god" and determine anything that doesn't fit in with their views as heresy to do it.
When Finlands church voted for this there were many people that left the Lutheran church
The Lutheran church then lost review from taxes.
Amen brother
Need more people like this
GODS Word does not change in regards to sin. Abomination in the Old Testament scriptures of The Holy Bible according to the LORD Almighty still separates people from GOD.
Ian Paul = a brave soul who will speak the truth
when a/ any culture fails (or in tragedy), there is a return to the long-standing faith that remains true to itself & the Word of God.
culture should not dictate ones own elected faith; just as much: faith should not be wielded by human govt either.
Rev Ian Paul is a top bloke. More power to you sir.
I also love the Calvin Robinson talk, but I think this one is very much underrated and shoud have blown up in a similar fashion.
A house divided will not stand!
2 Timothy 4v3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.
God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. I'm actually encouraged by the reaction to this speech as well as that of Calvin Robinson. The consensus seems to be that both men courageously spoke truth. May God bless them abundantly for doing so
Adam and Steve are great as well.
Somebody made Steve.
Do vote for this IF …reminds me of W.Shakespeare’s I Have Come To Bury Caesar, Not To Praise Him. When all the time, his aim was the opposite. Wow, I I loved this.
AMEN TO THE TITLE!
Could easily have been written by the Taliban.
Based
Rev. Dr Ian Paul provides evidence upon evidence on marriage between man and woman, even digging deeper to it's Judaist roots. The way Rev. Dr Ian Paul phrases his argument is compelling and highlights that voting for the motion gives cause to scrap everything has has mentioned as wrong. It's a hard sell.
Rev. Dr Ian Paul does finish his speech early, perhaps there was time to attempt to refute some of the previous arguments which hovered.
Just like the Taliban.
Excellent
Anyone wanna go talk to the Muslims about this? 👏🏼
Excellent speech
Bless this man!
corageous men... I live in global south, Chile, we support him
Appreciate African leaders on this. They are courageous and firm with the truth. They don't need EU advice.
They are not courageus they let british church to controll them they are still slave
Well said sir.
Thank you sir GOD BLESS YOU❤
This is the best argument so far of the four presented.
After my interaction with people, I came to a conclusion that gender doesn't matter at all, gentle temperament, good character and behavior is more important.
I myself got to experience triple trauma:
1.dealing with a narcissist and other mentally ill person
2.dealing with personality clash
3.dealing with other toxic behaviors
I feel like there are problems that need to be addressed like who will be married and are qualified to become parents, the issue on teenage pregnancy is also a problem...
The problems faced by our society have been brought by heterosexual people mostly..
@@lilac624 The last thing you say is both obvious and irrelevant considering that heterosexual people have always been over 90% of the world's population. "The problems faced by our society have been brought by heterosexual people mostly"
It would be more helpful to an argument to normalize the data (give it per capita).
can i justify my bigoted views from a book of my choosing
as a Muslim i appreciate this man for standing against the clowns
The YES did Rock👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Dr Paul is absolutely right. You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. The truth is as he rightly said marriage is between one man and one woman. Sometimes we feel like John the Baptist crying out in the wilderness. The wilderness of the morally lost. The Muslim faith is very clear as it was in the beginning, one man and one woman. I am of the Orthodox faith and believe in the sanctity of marriage between man and woman. It is Biblical and is the Word of God.
The mere observation of conduct reveals the fools destined for the flames of judgement if their hearts are no different. God help you.
Is the Church of England just "Christianity Light"? I always thought so.
Leviticus 20:13
King James Version
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
it is approaching a point of starting a new schism
Respectfully, how on earth can one conclude that Jesus “refused to answer the question” of divorce in Matthew 5, 19, Mark 10, Luke 16? Divorce and remarriage is equated with adultery.
I like this preacher. The church must accept the sinner but not with the sin. It was the whole idea why Sodom and Gomorrah was turned into a chariot parking lot.
I’m a Muslim and love and support this
The church was never ment to be a building. Its living a good life. That means follow in Jesus's footsteps. We will all fail many times. But repent and try to mean it. Be strongyour. beliefs
From the Holy Scriptures 1 Corinthians 14: 33-35:
"For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.
As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church."
We are living as in the days of Noah. The same social habits were happening then as is now. That didn’t end well for those folk. Reject that marriage must be between one man and one woman, at your peril. Maranatha!
Calvin Robertson is awesome, but man, people are sleeping on this man. Reverend Paul rocks!!
The Bible calls it an abomination, not the new ones I’m sure the classics , I think it also says don’t add it takeaway from the words
At the end of Revelation there's a warning about adding to or taking away from "the prophecy of this scroll" - I don't know whether there's anything similar elsewhere in the Scriptures. But since it is right at the end of the collection of Scriptures as we have them, I think it's wise to take it as a warning regarding the whole.
Being sinner gay is not a sin but practice of sin is an abomination in the eye's of God.
Being sinner straight person is not a sin but practice of sin is an abomination in the eye's of God.
@@magnificent8413 What? It is. Having immoral feelings is a sin.
@@xr55 Yes, right.
Feeling for lust is a sin.
But tempted to lust and resist is not a sin.
Very well said Ian
Ian Paul we need you in Southport and St Paul with Wesley church
Respect.
Who has ears to hear, let him hear (Ps. 94:9; Prov. 20:12).
if only homophobics would
@@pastorbri Don't know anyone afraid of sodomites, only repulsed, as they should be. Can't imagine what you're hearing. Voices?
@@c.a.g.3130 As sodomites were all wiped out in gen 19 (aa sodomite is a person from sodom) I have no idea what loony tunes u are on about....did u never read gen 19???? Seems you hear voices now old chap.
@@pastorbri No, child, a sodomite is one who practices sodomy and you know that, just like a 'Cretin' is not a person from Crete but one who repeats their practices. You may attempt to be deliberately obtuse, but God and everyone else knows you're a liar.
@@c.a.g.3130 I get ur not well educated but a sodomite is a man or woman from sodom......like a londoner is a man or woman from London......You may attempt to be deliberately obtuse, but God and everyone else knows you're a liar old beany!
As a believer in democracy and freedom of choice for the individual I would be against any organisation trying to impose its values on others. To this end the role of the Church of England in the UK state should now finish. I'm absolutely happy for Christians, Muslims and other religions to abide by their beliefs, but totally reject their right to impose them on others.
@@simoneperreault1957 Noswith da, Simone, I am as certain there are no gods as you are certain there is, and as certain as Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Jains, Buddhists etc are as certain that there brand is the right one. The one thing they all have in common is the complete lack of evidence on which to base their belief. As an Atheist, my position is confirmed, up until some evidence to support any god is shown - and I'll happily support that god if that were to happen. I would not be so arrogant as to impose my morale framework on others, and can embrace the richness and diversity of mankind as one of our great strengths. God neither disappears nor goes away, there simply is no evidence to support such a belief. I'm unafraid of death (tried it already!) and do not need some childish threat of retribution to act in a civilised manner not hold an arbitrary set of rules as absolute - thank goodness for democratic process - to weed out discrimination between the sexes, races and orientations, and to ditch practises such as slavery condoned in the Bible.
Here's the trouble though: should the Church of England have its views and beliefs dictated to it by the UK state or, put another way, should the Church, as a private institution, conform to the prevailing view of the secular society on sexuality and marriage? It works both ways - The Church should not have new dogma from a completely secular source imposed on it from without, any more than you would want the church to dictate morality to the UK state. A young woman named Chloe, I believe, gave an excellent speech to that effect, also in favor of this motion, meaning against same-sex marriage in the church, even though she herself is for it. She makes the point that as a private institution, the church should get to determine what church marriage is and isn't, consists of and means.
@@ileanasantamaria2364 I think there are several issues at play here. The C of E is currently the state church of the UK and in trying to cope with the secular, non-Christian majority nature of the modern UK is trying to appeal to everyone - and succeeds in appealing to no one. Perhaps it would be better all round to drop the concept of state religion, allow the C of E to concentrate on being a Christian organisation and allow the non-Christian majority in the UK is live in peace without an out of touch church literally preaching to us.
@@simoneperreault1957 In days of old. when the UK was a largely Christian country a Christian state religion was OK but now Christians are in the minority it is time for the C of E to step aside. The church can concentrate on being Christian, and the non-Christian majority in the UK can live in peace without an irrellavent religious organisation having a say in our lives.
"Fight the good fight" !!!!!!!!!!!!
Why is the Word of Elohim:[THE CREATOR] and the Holy One who has created his world and given his living manual go through vetting by the created being in order to vote it relevant or not? Can anyone tell another how to live other than their Creator? Oh Lord please show this generation mercy and illuminate our corrupt minds by Thy Spirit!
The deceived ones are apostates, taking the wide road to destruction, at the same time there is persecution of true believers and signs of revival - all of this is prophesied - so yes, let us pray for workers for the harvest!
Exactly. Those of us in Africa are amazed at how the White mans religion through the Bible was brought in and our grandfathers were taught ABCDEF, in fact polygamy was frowned upon and men were encouraged to be monogamous in the church and even in the society. And then now BOOOM! A new teaching has come and now we are to accept that 'male and female, He DID NOT create them.' Alaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar! Who bewitched you, Galatians! Can you make up your minds already...!
Just brilliant
People who claim to be wiser than God should be punished
brilliant. well said.
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Hallelujah! It’s great to see some of the Church of England stand up and declare a sin a sin. It saddens my heart to see churches turning away from the scriptures.
In my professional life, I prosecute crimes. Sins are religious superstitions of no consequence as they cannot be prosecuted. The bible, in common with all religious texts, is deeply ignorant, superstitious nonsense that promotes criminal behaviour, violence, bigotry and hatred.
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Well said . 2 faithful cristian ministers against 3 false bishops
God said, live your life if you want to live in something different from my creation if you don't want to follow my rules and regulations.
The Christian teaching as brought to us in the Bible is very clear that Marriage is only between a man & women. However if secular concerns who are not Christian choose to do gay marriage that is a different thing but is still a sin.
Is this what they do before they update their bible?
Man of God.
Can you believe we're even debating this issue - the people who promoted this should be in jail - long ago.
Leviticus 18 v 22-23 and v 29. Take heed of what the Bible says
As a South African I often get asked how my Dutch ancestors ended up in Africa. This, this is how. All the people who disagreed with the Catholic, Protestant and church of England, fled to South Africa after the trade point was opened in the Cape and the word spread that there is a free country where people can worship God as it is written in the Bible and nothing else. And we called it the Dutch Reformed church.
You mean the church that blessed Apartheid crimes against humanity? Yeah such a lovely bunch...
My maternal great great grandfather was a pastor/reverend for the Dutch now African Reformed Church in Zimbabwe.
Born and bred South African. Very glad I never went to the Dutch Reformed Church with it's Replacement Theology, racism and emphasis on works, never telling little ones that they need to be born again and have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. The Dutch Reformed Church is dying, be honest now. Young people are fleeing it.
I wish the "pro" crowd had gone to talk to the muslims about changing their doctrine first, and then perhaps this debate wouldnt have been needed.