I don’t think it was implied heavily enough that Paul will never touch Irulan and would be life partners with Chani…and Chani was mostly cool with that after a minute.
I thought you'd mention that Paul says the Baron will die like an animal. This is clearly a reference to the Gom Jabar which is used to kill people who fail the Bene Gesserit test for humans, and is what Alia uses to kill him in the book
I think the author was trying to tell us something. The religious manipulative sect that tries to control politics and everyone from behind uses Hebrew words to describe their Messiah, kwizat Hadarach. While the poor desert people that have their resources stolen and are fighting against oppressors use Arabic words like Muadib an Mahdi
One thing I noticed was how Paul becomes even paler with dark circles around his eyes after taking the Water. It's a visual reminder that drives home how physically devastating the experience was to him, that no male in history before him survived and makes his newly-discovered Harkonnen ancestry visually apparent. He becomes even more ruthless and starts wearing black to show he's not much different from them at that point.
another visual cue is the black cape he uses after drinking the water of life. until that point his clotes are all equal to the fremen, then after the water he uses s black cape.
The reason that Paul and Feyd are roughly equal in their evolution under the Bene Gesserit eugenics program is that they were meant to be the parents of the Kwisatz Haderach. Jessica was ordered to bear a daughter to Leto, so that she could be wed to the Harkonnen heir (who turned out to be Feyd). Jessica screwed up their plans by having a son, rather than a daughter.
I thought it was strange that in the movie Jessica is portrayed as choosing to have a son so that he might be the Kwisatz Haderach, but in the books she chooses to have a son as an expression of her love for the duke. In the books, she didn't even know about the breeding plan until after Paul was born. At least that's how I remember it - is that right?
@@braria9855 Wow. That would've been a great layer to add as to why Jessica had Paul instead of following. But I can see how that would raise issue with a certain modern audience.
I didn't read the books but what I noticed in movie was how Chani is afraid of prophecy of her name. When Paul asked her what her name was, she said Sihaya and she didn't like it because it was name from some prophecy. And when Paul drank the Life Water and his mother forced her to help him, you can hear the prophecy ,,when the desert spring..." (I don't remmeber rest of it) but when she saved him prophecy fullfiled. And I think that's another reason why Chani was so pissed. Not just Paul completely changed and seems only she can see it, but she was fighting whole life for freedom and didn't believe in prophecies, just in herself and power of her people and even if she try so hard she ended up stuck and fuffiled prophecy like all the effort was for no use of it... (and sorry english is not my first language).
From what I remember in the book, Chani was a ride or die gal, and was 100% with Paul and his decisions. In the movie, they transferred some of the fremen's distrust of Paul being the messiah to her character, so that the audience could better see it with the limited screen time the movie has. I think that for the purposes of the movie, it worked well to convey this.
@@netanmaldoran4816Denis said the point of Chani’s change from the book was to give the audience a better look at how manipulative the prophecy is because Frank Herbert accidentally wrote it so well, a lot of people loved Paul as a relatable, reluctant messiah who just wanted to be among the people. Frank was pissed that’s how many ppl took the portrayal. It’s the main reason Herbert ended up writing the rest of the books.
Sandworms are ridden until they are exhausted. Once at a stop, riders disembark, and the worm swiftly tunnels down into the sand to rest. That is why long trip distances are measured in "thumpers". A 20 thumper trip means that 20 worms were summoned and then ridden to exhaustion.
@@jonsaboe2019out of curiosity- can a setting on the thumper dictate how big the worm is? cuz what if one of the worms they summon on the twenty thumper journey is bigger and has more endurance than the rest-wouldn’t the measurement consistency be skewed? kindvr a stupid question but wondered if u know the answer
@@viraajgupta6047 In the books, it is implied that the thumper just happens to call the nearest worm around, so sometimes they are stronger, sometimes weaker, sometimes bigger, sometimes smaller. Then, when it is time to stop and release the worm, if it is not already tired enough, they may ride in circles for a while until it is safe to let go of the hooks. I understood this from a combination of explicit explanation and how the mechanics of it would work.
I am confused abt that. Feyd and Rabban are both nephews to the Baron, who is the GrandFather of Paul, which means Paul' Mother, Feyd and Rabban are Cousins. So that shud make Feyd and Rabban 'Uncles' to Paul......... No?! 🤔
@@nateb2715 oooooohhhhh 2nd cousins........... I don't know how that once removed, twice removed thing works. Where I'm from......... Your parents' siblings, by blood or relation, are all Aunt and Uncles. We only call the 1st cousins as cousins itself😀
@@shakira.rahman8786 they are first cousins once removed to paul - as Jessica's cousins they are on the same generation line. Paul is the next line down, so they are paul's first cousins (like to Jessica) but once removed (one generation away up or down the line). Hope this helps?
seems they used old Soviet-era clones of Zeiss Biotar, in particular Helios 44. According to some websites the opening scenes like the one of Cristopher Walken in the garden, is shot with Helios 44 specifically, which has 13 aperture blades 🤯🤯🤯
The one thing i think fell short in this movie is how they ignored the politics of the overtaking of shaddam IV by paul. The book makes it clear that paul will only marry the princess to have a claim over the throne, but chani will be his concubine and will be the one really sharing his bed and bearing his children. In the second book, that's the reason why the princess joined the conspirators to assassinate paul atreides.
This movie is like a Star Wars story ♥ A young man becomes evil and the girl is angry because he did not love her. Should he marry her? My little brother will fight the evil big brother in part 3 or 4
One of my few critique of the film is the lack of lore exploration, like the 🐛 ridding or the importance of spice or the space guild for that matter. Great film though
@@jasonmaxwell100 dude, here in brazil i've seen some wierd dude saying that melange was important because of the space guild (ok) and becase of it being a narcotic. He didn't anything of the bene gesserit or it's effect on increasing life expectancy.
@@carlosdias854 It is needed for space travel. That is how the space ship pilots navigate their ships as they are able to 'predict' or see the route using large amounts of spice. Since no computers are used and so-called thinking machines are banned, it is the only way for planetary travel to exist. The spice also increases life expectancy and slows down aging to near double the natural level.
I’m so happy they gave chani agency in the movie, I related most with her character , it was clear Paul was going to become the protagonist after he obtained too much power. I wish they made it clear Paul was only marrying Irulan for political reasons and his true love is still Chani. Overall dune 2 is one of the best movies I’ve ever watched ❤
Upon my second viewing, I missed this line "you give water for the dead and it brings you joy". A cardinal sin for any Fremen, I was too caught up with story of the mother that lost her eye to catch it. I strongly suspected that Paul's crysknife was the one given to him by Chani. Reviewing the fight between Jamis and Paul. I believe it to be Jamis'. He didn't want Feyd dying with it. That is why he used Shaddam's knife for the kill. I'm uncertain though.
This movie is like a Star Wars story ♥ A young man becomes evil and the girl is angry because he did not love her. Should he marry her? My little brother will fight the evil big brother in part 3 or 4
No, he stabbed Feyd with his ckrysknife and Feyd's blade landed in his shoulder. He used the tactic Gurney tought him in the first movie. He made Feyd confident he won and only deflected the blow from the throat to his shoulder while removing his own crysknife from his side and stabbing it into Feyd's guts. It took me two seanses to figure that all out. On the second viewing I also noticed that he had a vision of that final duel when he was at the pool they dwoned that small worm. There is a short flash vision of the knife in his shoulder.
Well done. But the great houses fall in line with Paul because he can stop the spice flow which would cripple space travel, and commerce between the worlds.
Paul & Chani's child is called Leto, the same name as Paul's father who are both killed Paul & Chani, later have twins - a boy and girl. The boy is named Leto the 2nd
Did you get the vibe from the movie that Chani and Paul were going to have kids? They changed how Chani in this version . She is unsupportive of Paul Destroying all of the Freemen's enemies and bring them to power. Reason? She does not think her people need a outsider to "save " them EVEN THOUGH she supports him and trains him in the fremen ways and defended him and says he has earned being freeman ......makes no sense .
@@necromorph1109i hated mary jane's part in this movie. They turned chani unsuportive only to make her seem a strong women and have actually ignored a really important plot point for the second book. Paul's fear of losing chani in childbirth proves to be his downfall.
@@necromorph1109 Yes. I got the impression that she was pregnant with Paul at the end and played such a big part of why she walked away. Chani's change in demeanor towards the end of the film, mirrors Pauls. While he embraces his Harkonnen side and how quickly and easily he sways the freman unites the northern and southerners she is left appalled at the tactics (using nukes that could destroy a planet) and the offworld customs (confessioning eternal love but marrying someone else). DV's changes to Chani in the movie compared to the book is fantastic. It made absolute sense to anyone paying attention.
@@BederikStorm yes that's right, i was just correcting the video where they mentioned that Leto II (the first child) died. He was never called Leto the 2nd.
i predicted that they gon changed what happened to Rabban, in the book Gurney never even met Rabban in the end, making it the most anti climatic part of these 2 rivalry, and im so happy they did that
doesn't work like that, they NEVER mentioned in the movies Liet was Chanis mother. In DV adaption they arent related. You cant use book knowledge in this movies, he threw it all away.
You can use an understanding of the books to complement your understanding of the films. I like that the director made Liet a woman. But I like knowing the meaning of the blue bandana.
Villnueve's Feyd isn't canon. Feyd in the novel is just another step in the BG breeding program. He was supposed to sire a child with an Atreides female and "seal the breech", but Jessica out of love (something V ignores) gave Leto a son and heir. Canon Feyd received no BG training. HIs mother, Lady Rabban, wife to Abulurd Rabban (formerly Harkonnen), didn't train him in anything. He didn't have foresight and he would have failed Lady Fenring's non-canon Gom Jabbar.
This movie is like a Star Wars story ♥ A young man becomes evil and the girl is angry because he did not love her. Should he marry her? My little brother will fight the evil big brother in part 3 or 4
@@gmatsue84 The dictionary says it's the accepted version of a story. Historically it means the Christian scriptures the Church accepts as true. Many scriptures 2000 years ago were fake, and the Church declared them not part of the Bible. Later, Protestants deleted even more scriptures. Those scriptures are still in the Catholic Bible.
I noticed several in Part One - At what point did Dr. Yueh deposit the Duke's ring in the Fremkit? There's no time for him to do so in the time given him in the film. How did Yueh even get the Fremkit AND scratch his mark in the 'thopter BEFORE the attack? Inside knowledge? (more to add later)
Same. Not 100% cold, but there was, in his view, no other path forward to both survive and prevent complete collapse into war inter-house wars. Still, it's worth noting that might certainly work out to not be in the real best interest of the Freeman so the prophecy was his way to manipulate them into being his Sardukar.
@@kylecrane4376he’s definitely lost some of his humanity. You two seem like the religious fanatics that are manipulated by charisma. Chani is very smart in these films and given agrncy
If you missed Irulan's narrations you're blind, deaf and paralysed. Wow, such great eye for detail! Totally not a "let's ride the Dune sandworm a little bit harder for views" video.
haven't read the books, did find the Dune movies fantastic. Dune 2 leveled up to one big masterpiece. A mix of politics, religion, sci fi with a medieval touch. characters growing into their roles, changing over time. Also, to my opinion, the question on a 'prophecy', is it a prophecy or a self fulfilling prophecy.
You don't get it The point of dune is that there are no good guys Only charismatic leaders taking advantage of the position and resources before them Paul is no different than the baron Just a foreigner taking over Dune, leading it to war
Another interesting fact that you missed was that the Harkonnen planet scene was shot in infrared. This creates the vivid black and white style you've called "stark brutalist greyscale".
The fact that every video that talks about dune 2 has spoilers from the books and in the end from dune 3 blow my mind. For spoiler haters those videos cant be seen
I sort of had impression that the worms in movie did actually swivel, but rather up-down than left-right - if you get what I mean - that could maybe explain the motion. Interesting question though :)
@@JCoffTopic He still loves her after water of life. It's just that he makes the sacrifice for the greater good to go against Chani (and his own) wishes and becomes the Lisan al Gaib and marries Irulan etc...
@@turbofisto69 maybe, for the movie's twist, he had some vision where if he stayed with her she would die (Like in that dream with the Nuke). So maybe that's he chose this path even though he loves her. The way he told her those things at the end and the way he looks at her would back this up. (A friend's theory, not mine)
Did anyone see the huge mistake in the fighting scene between Paul and his cousin?! The stab was in Paul’s stomach, then they showed it in his shoulder. HUGE Mistake.
How do they go from the immense struggle to get on a worm as shown through Paul's first ride to then just being able to put whole a caravan of people and little baskets when Jessica is riding in?
They can control the worms with the hooks that are like reins on a horse. Even a wild horse will take off running after mounting but can be brought under control by the reins, slowed down and even stopped for someone else to climb on. The hooks open the segments to expose the sensitive areas of the worms to help control and steer it. They don't show all that but they probably will in the next movie if it's green lighted.
Where's the IMPORTANCE of the SPICE? The influence of the NAVIGATORS on the EMPEROR? Where's DUNCAN IDAHO reincarnated? Where's the long description of post-drink Paul's ability to see the future? Where's the RELATIONSHIP between Chani and Paul? In the BOOK and Lynch's version that relationship was honored, not dumped!!
There is still plenty of time in Messiah for Chani and Paul's relationship, and that's also where Duncan returns. But I do agree they have kind of sold short the importance of spice, and how much power and influence the navigators have over the emperor. If I remember right, even the Fremen were sending bribes of pure unrefined spice to the guild in exchange for the removal of spy satellites over Fremen territory. Lynch hammered this home with how the navigators were getting sick from lack of spice and even threatened to put the Emperor in a pain amplifier if he didn't get spice production back up.
Duncan Idaho doesn't get "reincarnated" really, it's more like the dead flesh gets cloned and he has a clone. That doesn't happen until book 2, though. Lynch's version is more accurate in some ways, but also extremely inaccurate in more important ways and completely missed the core themes of Dune, basically making Paul a superhero.
To be clear, there are THREE Leto Atreides - Paul’s father, Paul’s first son with Chani who dies as a baby, and Paul’s second son who becomes the God Emperor/sand worm hybrid that lives for 4000 years. This last Leto is Leto II, not his murdered brother.
@@Gubble-oq6dnJust because reading a book like a halfway civilized human being is too much for you doesn't mean you can call spoilers and speak down to people to do. Be better.
His behavior change after taking the water of life is motivated also by vengance and fear. In the begining, Jessica warns him that his father “didn’t belive in revenge”, signaling to the duke’s more compassionate nature, diferent from Paul, who in the books is said to resemble more his grandfather, the Old Duke. After unlocking his powers, not only he accepts his “terrible purpose”, but also utilizes this to revenge his father. The fear comes from the visions in wich he sees Chani dying if the Harkonens and the Emperor keep Arrakis. Since he forsees that, in most futures, she stays with him, he takes on the role anyway, waging war, also for his fear of loosing his beloved Chani. Anyway, deep down, he’s still human and is motivated by human feelings, his persona is intact. Diferent from pre-borns (nod to his son, Leto) who are not so held back and, thus, can take on harder choices… but that’s another story 😄
If you love the books and expect this movie to be close to the books. Forget. Not even close. But that being said it is a good movie. Excellent acting great graphics and directing. But I see very little of the book in the movie. It is much closer to the books than Peter Jackson's movie lord of the rings.
Alia is really missing in Dune 2. She killed baron Harkonnen, not Paul. Relationship Chani and Paul is completely wrong in the new movie. They had a kid (later killed by imperator raid), and lived together. Once Paul stopped seeing the future path, Chani supported him taking the water of life. She never left him. She was not Fedaykin. Paul did not misuse Fremens as she suggests. The "new plot" looks to me a bit woke, not a Dune lore.
Yeah. I get the feeling that 'modernity' contaminated the movie. Chani switched from being loyal, loving, and supportive to becoming a defiant strong independent wahman who don't need no Paul, as well as being an ardent anti-theist. The religious Fremen, which in the book were all of them but in the movie only consisted of the 'Southerners', became totally braindead morons who mutter "As it is written" a lot and suddenly became incapable of independent or rational thought about midway through. They also cut out her having Paul's baby, because reasons.
Yes, because in the books, the Fremen were more patriarchal. Chani in the movie says Fremen men and women are equal, but in the book, they weren't. Fremen men were in charge, they could have multiple wives, wives were traded off if a man fought for her, so book Chani was OK with Paul taking Irulan as a wife because she knew she was Paul's real love, they'd been together for years, had had a child together and other relationships were allowed to Fremen men. Movie Chani was not raised like this, nor was she with Paul long, so she was less accepting.
@@druidriley3163 Slight point of correction, the Fremen were allowed to compete/fight for women UNTIL that woman had been claimed. They couldn't just take someone's wife away. The Polygamy aspect is historically common in cultures where there is high male mortality. In Fremen society, Paul was *expected* to take care of Jamis's wife and sons after he killed him in the duel. This wasn't a perk, but a responsibility I really wish this stuff were in the movie, Fremen culture is not only fascinating, it's practical considering the type of existence they led.
@@notcrazy6288 *the Fremen were allowed to compete/fight for women UNTIL that woman had been claimed* Um, no, in the book Dune, Harah tells Paul that she's been told she looked just as young as she did when Jamis won her from her previous husband. So she was already claimed by a man, but Jamis wanted her and challenged her previous husband to a fight to the death for her and won. Did she have a choice? Apparently not. *Paul was expected to take care of Jamis's wife and sons after he killed him in the duel. This wasn't a perk, but a responsibility* Yeah, but he could also use her as a servant which was a perk for him, which she didn't like or want but she had no choice. Harah's status in the sietch would immediately fall from a wife to a servant.
@@notcrazy6288you sound like an incel. I’m glad they gave Chani agency in the movies, it makes sense why Paul would be in love with a woman that humbles him.
@@michaelmaltzer5426 I don't see a dilemma - leaving her out is just wrong. There is no advantage to leaving her out. OTOH, I actually liked the first unborn Alia speaks to Jessica scene. But then she should have been born.
Most of them climb off and then the rider removes the hooks and leaps off the back. Most of the time though, they just ride them until the worm gets exhausted and collapses on top of the sand.
They never mention when a Lasgun contacts an active shield it results in an atomic explosion. One of the Harkonens in the beginning just tells out "no shields!" To his squad as they get headshotted by Lasgun fire.
Those were maula pistols which aren't lasguns. He said no shields because shields attract worms. You're right though about the explosion when lasguns hit shields.
@@stephengrant4841 true but they don't show what weapons were used and they were already on top of a high rock outcrop safe from the worms, a thumper was already activated after all. Even if they were Maula pistols I don't think the Harkonens knew and assumed it better be safe than set off a nuclear reaction in a spice rich area.
I'll be rereading the first book because of how they portrayed chani. She never chalenged paul in the books and the two of them were deeply in love. She never went to the deep desert. All of her scenes in this movie made me cringe. Her complaining of manipulation were actually the lines of lyet kynes before he died. So they butchered a cool character in the first book only to make mary jane's character seem more important in the second.
L take chani is more like one dimension in book just a battle machine she even has lesser importance In second Here she was not forced but well developed woman
@@prakhyatsingh263 well developed woman? One dimensional character? Of course not, chani had her part to play in the books as a plot device and paul's weakness exploited by his enemies. There was no need to make her into a main character when we had characters like jessica and alia in the first books and the bene gesserit like lucilla and odrade later on who by the way had a much more interesting arc other than being a developed woman, wtf? As it stands, the story can't progress and all that because they wanted to shove zendaya somewhere in this movie. That's what happens when script is done by those who don't understand the books.
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 yes, of course he was butchered. Lyet kynes had a lot more depth in the books and was the de facto leader of the fremen. He was the one worried the his people would be controlled through faith and foretold paul becoming a dictator right before his death in the middle of the desert. Paul could only become the lisan al'gaib because lyet died.
@@carlosdias854 Books have a lot more leeway to write about minor characters. Movies don't have that kind of time or money. Did Liet Kynes' existence really affect the storyline of Dune other than start the Fremen on the path to terraforming the planet and show how fatalistic they were? No. So why spend the time and money on the character in the movie?
If youre gonna give us things you think we missed 😅n the movie… try using one of the two accepted ways of saying of pronouncing names. You lost me the first few seconds in when you invented a new way of pronouncing Irulan🙄
In the book yes, but in the film they shorten the timespan significantly. You can tell because Jessica doesn't give birth to Ayla as she does in the books
This movie is like a Star Wars story ♥ A young man becomes evil and the girl is angry because he did not love her. Should he marry her? My little brother will fight the evil big brother in part 3 or 4
What purpose did it serve to create a girlfriend for Chani? Nothing. Way too many story holes made for.... reasons? Great visual effort, but DEI was forced either for funding or to win awards. None of that served the book or story.
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Were there any other details you noticed?
I don’t think it was implied heavily enough that Paul will never touch Irulan and would be life partners with Chani…and Chani was mostly cool with that after a minute.
I thought you'd mention that Paul says the Baron will die like an animal. This is clearly a reference to the Gom Jabar which is used to kill people who fail the Bene Gesserit test for humans, and is what Alia uses to kill him in the book
I haven't seen anyone talk about Christopher Walken's more cowbell moment.
I think the author was trying to tell us something. The religious manipulative sect that tries to control politics and everyone from behind uses Hebrew words to describe their Messiah, kwizat Hadarach. While the poor desert people that have their resources stolen and are fighting against oppressors use Arabic words like Muadib an Mahdi
At the end of the movie, Paul looked back twice at Chani as she leaves.
One thing I noticed was how Paul becomes even paler with dark circles around his eyes after taking the Water. It's a visual reminder that drives home how physically devastating the experience was to him, that no male in history before him survived and makes his newly-discovered Harkonnen ancestry visually apparent. He becomes even more ruthless and starts wearing black to show he's not much different from them at that point.
another visual cue is the black cape he uses after drinking the water of life. until that point his clotes are all equal to the fremen, then after the water he uses s black cape.
Also the Atrides theme is almost gone during his walk to the war council and is mostly Harkenenn.
This is almost verbatim from The Canadian Lad’s video bro…
The reason that Paul and Feyd are roughly equal in their evolution under the Bene Gesserit eugenics program is that they were meant to be the parents of the Kwisatz Haderach. Jessica was ordered to bear a daughter to Leto, so that she could be wed to the Harkonnen heir (who turned out to be Feyd). Jessica screwed up their plans by having a son, rather than a daughter.
I thought it was strange that in the movie Jessica is portrayed as choosing to have a son so that he might be the Kwisatz Haderach, but in the books she chooses to have a son as an expression of her love for the duke. In the books, she didn't even know about the breeding plan until after Paul was born. At least that's how I remember it - is that right?
So they were supposed to be marrying cousins???
@@spidavenom4 yes, that is correct.
@@braria9855 Wow. That would've been a great layer to add as to why Jessica had Paul instead of following. But I can see how that would raise issue with a certain modern audience.
@@spidavenom4 It didn't stop them for portraying that taboo in Game of Thrones.
I didn't read the books but what I noticed in movie was how Chani is afraid of prophecy of her name. When Paul asked her what her name was, she said Sihaya and she didn't like it because it was name from some prophecy. And when Paul drank the Life Water and his mother forced her to help him, you can hear the prophecy ,,when the desert spring..." (I don't remmeber rest of it) but when she saved him prophecy fullfiled. And I think that's another reason why Chani was so pissed. Not just Paul completely changed and seems only she can see it, but she was fighting whole life for freedom and didn't believe in prophecies, just in herself and power of her people and even if she try so hard she ended up stuck and fuffiled prophecy like all the effort was for no use of it... (and sorry english is not my first language).
From what I remember in the book, Chani was a ride or die gal, and was 100% with Paul and his decisions. In the movie, they transferred some of the fremen's distrust of Paul being the messiah to her character, so that the audience could better see it with the limited screen time the movie has. I think that for the purposes of the movie, it worked well to convey this.
@@netanmaldoran4816Denis said the point of Chani’s change from the book was to give the audience a better look at how manipulative the prophecy is because Frank Herbert accidentally wrote it so well, a lot of people loved Paul as a relatable, reluctant messiah who just wanted to be among the people. Frank was pissed that’s how many ppl took the portrayal. It’s the main reason Herbert ended up writing the rest of the books.
Also leave out the fact they had a child in the book Lego II
FYI your command of English is very good.
@@essiebessie661 you are kind :) but idk if I use inflections in sentences well or ,,right order of words" or its huge mess :D
I just want to know how they get out of the sandworm after riding them
Sandworms are ridden until they are exhausted. Once at a stop, riders disembark, and the worm swiftly tunnels down into the sand to rest. That is why long trip distances are measured in "thumpers". A 20 thumper trip means that 20 worms were summoned and then ridden to exhaustion.
@@jonsaboe2019out of curiosity- can a setting on the thumper dictate how big the worm is? cuz what if one of the worms they summon on the twenty thumper journey is bigger and has more endurance than the rest-wouldn’t the measurement consistency be skewed? kindvr a stupid question but wondered if u know the answer
@@viraajgupta6047 In the books, it is implied that the thumper just happens to call the nearest worm around, so sometimes they are stronger, sometimes weaker, sometimes bigger, sometimes smaller. Then, when it is time to stop and release the worm, if it is not already tired enough, they may ride in circles for a while until it is safe to let go of the hooks. I understood this from a combination of explicit explanation and how the mechanics of it would work.
You made a mistake. Feyd and Rabban are brothers, not cousins.
Paul is a cousin to them both. You got that part right.
I am confused abt that.
Feyd and Rabban are both nephews to the Baron, who is the GrandFather of Paul, which means Paul' Mother, Feyd and Rabban are Cousins.
So that shud make Feyd and Rabban 'Uncles' to Paul......... No?! 🤔
@@shakira.rahman8786 No Feyd and Rabban are not Jessicas brothers, they are Jessicas cousins, so they are Pauls 2nd cousins
@@nateb2715 oooooohhhhh 2nd cousins........... I don't know how that once removed, twice removed thing works.
Where I'm from......... Your parents' siblings, by blood or relation, are all Aunt and Uncles. We only call the 1st cousins as cousins itself😀
@@shakira.rahman8786 they are first cousins once removed to paul - as Jessica's cousins they are on the same generation line. Paul is the next line down, so they are paul's first cousins (like to Jessica) but once removed (one generation away up or down the line). Hope this helps?
Some Alabama shit here
Anyone else notice the insane 1970's vintage Arri lens they used for the first scenes with the Emperor? That bokeh was TUBULAR
seems they used old Soviet-era clones of Zeiss Biotar, in particular Helios 44. According to some websites the opening scenes like the one of Cristopher Walken in the garden, is shot with Helios 44 specifically, which has 13 aperture blades 🤯🤯🤯
He also started wearing hair gel after waking up from the coma. XD
Worm gel
In Paul vs Feyd, Paul hits his chest twice before they begin duelling, Jamis did the same before fighting Paul in Dune Part 1
The one thing i think fell short in this movie is how they ignored the politics of the overtaking of shaddam IV by paul. The book makes it clear that paul will only marry the princess to have a claim over the throne, but chani will be his concubine and will be the one really sharing his bed and bearing his children. In the second book, that's the reason why the princess joined the conspirators to assassinate paul atreides.
This movie is like a Star Wars story ♥ A young man becomes evil and the girl is angry because he did not love her. Should he marry her? My little brother will fight the evil big brother in part 3 or 4
@@وحشليلا wtf?
So disrespecting both women, such great 👍 plan.
@@وحشليلاbro Star Wars is based off the dune books, no shit.
@@corbin101 star wars came after dune
I didn't know WTF was going when I saw this yesterday. And it was still awesome.
No mention of Gurney's vow to kill Jessica for betraying House Atradies. Cut completely from both movies but in the book.
Because it’s stupid
Mini-series has it. It's still the best adaptation.
@@LordVolkov most accurate doesn't mean the best. Not when we're taking about 2 different forms of media
@@starwars385 There's very little difference between 3 90 minute episodes and 5+ hours of DV's Dune...
@@LordVolkov you don't understand, I mean book vs movie/tv
The fact that water kills the sandworms is one of the reasons that the final scene of the 1984 version is so utterly ridiculous.
Didn't miss any of those points - but thanks for the vid anyway. Was a good watch.
One of my few critique of the film is the lack of lore exploration, like the 🐛 ridding or the importance of spice or the space guild for that matter. Great film though
Movie was very boring.
The first line on the movie was power over spice is power over all. If that doesn’t tell you what’s up……yikes
@@jasonmaxwell100 dude, here in brazil i've seen some wierd dude saying that melange was important because of the space guild (ok) and becase of it being a narcotic. He didn't anything of the bene gesserit or it's effect on increasing life expectancy.
@@eliteviktor3insane opinion
@@carlosdias854 It is needed for space travel. That is how the space ship pilots navigate their ships as they are able to 'predict' or see the route using large amounts of spice. Since no computers are used and so-called thinking machines are banned, it is the only way for planetary travel to exist. The spice also increases life expectancy and slows down aging to near double the natural level.
I loved it when Paul got on the worm and said: It's sandworming time!
In my headcanon, Arrival is part of the Dune universe and the "aliens" were actually very, very, very early Guild Navigators.
That's cool, but the book said the Navigators are humans transformed by spice.
@@kedabro1957that's why I used """. To humans on present day Earth, they'd look alien.
I’m so happy they gave chani agency in the movie, I related most with her character , it was clear Paul was going to become the protagonist after he obtained too much power. I wish they made it clear Paul was only marrying Irulan for political reasons and his true love is still Chani. Overall dune 2 is one of the best movies I’ve ever watched ❤
Upon my second viewing, I missed this line "you give water for the dead and it brings you joy". A cardinal sin for any Fremen, I was too caught up with story of the mother that lost her eye to catch it. I strongly suspected that Paul's crysknife was the one given to him by Chani. Reviewing the fight between Jamis and Paul. I believe it to be Jamis'. He didn't want Feyd dying with it. That is why he used Shaddam's knife for the kill. I'm uncertain though.
This movie is like a Star Wars story ♥ A young man becomes evil and the girl is angry because he did not love her. Should he marry her? My little brother will fight the evil big brother in part 3 or 4
@@وحشليلا george lucas said he Dune was a huge influence when writing Star Wars.
No, he stabbed Feyd with his ckrysknife and Feyd's blade landed in his shoulder. He used the tactic Gurney tought him in the first movie. He made Feyd confident he won and only deflected the blow from the throat to his shoulder while removing his own crysknife from his side and stabbing it into Feyd's guts. It took me two seanses to figure that all out. On the second viewing I also noticed that he had a vision of that final duel when he was at the pool they dwoned that small worm. There is a short flash vision of the knife in his shoulder.
@@lanwyacaere9274 I screwed up. I meant to write "killing blow with his crysknife". Paul didn't wan't Feyd dying holding a crysknife.
@@lanwyacaere9274 And it wasn't in the book.
Did you really say "big run time"? The movie for its length was TOO LITTLE..
Real
A MASTERPIECE
Well done. But the great houses fall in line with Paul because he can stop the spice flow which would cripple space travel, and commerce between the worlds.
Paul & Chani's child is called Leto, the same name as Paul's father who are both killed
Paul & Chani, later have twins - a boy and girl. The boy is named Leto the 2nd
The number came with the throne. Once their father left them, they became emperor and empress. Alia was just the regent
Did you get the vibe from the movie that Chani and Paul were going to have kids? They changed how Chani in this version . She is unsupportive of Paul Destroying all of the Freemen's enemies and bring them to power. Reason? She does not think her people need a outsider to "save " them EVEN THOUGH she supports him and trains him in the fremen ways and defended him and says he has earned being freeman ......makes no sense .
@@necromorph1109i hated mary jane's part in this movie. They turned chani unsuportive only to make her seem a strong women and have actually ignored a really important plot point for the second book. Paul's fear of losing chani in childbirth proves to be his downfall.
@@necromorph1109 Yes. I got the impression that she was pregnant with Paul at the end and played such a big part of why she walked away.
Chani's change in demeanor towards the end of the film, mirrors Pauls. While he embraces his Harkonnen side and how quickly and easily he sways the freman unites the northern and southerners she is left appalled at the tactics (using nukes that could destroy a planet) and the offworld customs (confessioning eternal love but marrying someone else).
DV's changes to Chani in the movie compared to the book is fantastic. It made absolute sense to anyone paying attention.
@@BederikStorm yes that's right, i was just correcting the video where they mentioned that Leto II (the first child) died. He was never called Leto the 2nd.
That sandworm can feed the village for a whole year
The sandworm cannot be destroyed and it's considered a deity for the Fremen, so, no.
I feel like you are quoting something. Dances with Wolves maybe?
i predicted that they gon changed what happened to Rabban, in the book Gurney never even met Rabban in the end, making it the most anti climatic part of these 2 rivalry, and im so happy they did that
I’ve read that the blue bandana is for mourning. Chani is mourning the lose of her mother, Liet Kynes.
doesn't work like that, they NEVER mentioned in the movies Liet was Chanis mother. In DV adaption they arent related.
You cant use book knowledge in this movies, he threw it all away.
They may not have mentioned it in the movie, but DV confirmed in an interview that Liet Kynes is in fact Chani's mother @@pistolgrip1942
In the film, Liet Kynes is not related to Chani.
You can use an understanding of the books to complement your understanding of the films. I like that the director made Liet a woman. But I like knowing the meaning of the blue bandana.
Wouldn't she be mourning the death of Leto? They seem to have removed this plot point from the film but it might have been a nod to book readers
Villnueve's Feyd isn't canon. Feyd in the novel is just another step in the BG breeding program. He was supposed to sire a child with an Atreides female and "seal the breech", but Jessica out of love (something V ignores) gave Leto a son and heir. Canon Feyd received no BG training. HIs mother, Lady Rabban, wife to Abulurd Rabban (formerly Harkonnen), didn't train him in anything. He didn't have foresight and he would have failed Lady Fenring's non-canon Gom Jabbar.
This movie is like a Star Wars story ♥ A young man becomes evil and the girl is angry because he did not love her. Should he marry her? My little brother will fight the evil big brother in part 3 or 4
Wtf is " canon"?
@@gmatsue84
The dictionary says it's the accepted version of a story. Historically it means the Christian scriptures the Church accepts as true. Many scriptures 2000 years ago were fake, and the Church declared them not part of the Bible.
Later, Protestants deleted even more scriptures. Those scriptures are still in the Catholic Bible.
@@gmatsue84 To refer to something as “canon” means that it is the official source material for a particular story.
Leto = Duke of Caladan. Leto = child who is murdered. Leto II is the God Emperor of Dune.
There were several Leto II. Only one of them survived to become God Emperor
When the worms exploded from the sand clouds, i was like 'oh fuck no. Just NOPE.'
"GeT oUT of My MIIIIIINNNNNDDD"! 🤣
I noticed several in Part One -
At what point did Dr. Yueh deposit the Duke's ring in the Fremkit? There's no time for him to do so in the time given him in the film.
How did Yueh even get the Fremkit AND scratch his mark in the 'thopter BEFORE the attack? Inside knowledge?
(more to add later)
I know that after a minimal amount of research into the other books, there is a clear reason why they only make movies about the first book
He was still Paul. He cares but sees no other way to save his people so he uses his new powers with his old self. That’s how I see it.
Same. Not 100% cold, but there was, in his view, no other path forward to both survive and prevent complete collapse into war inter-house wars. Still, it's worth noting that might certainly work out to not be in the real best interest of the Freeman so the prophecy was his way to manipulate them into being his Sardukar.
@@kylecrane4376he’s definitely lost some of his humanity. You two seem like the religious fanatics that are manipulated by charisma. Chani is very smart in these films and given agrncy
This is why he is so sad at the end. He's done exactly what he didn't want to do and caused a rift with Chani as well. A real tragedy.
That was the shortest 3hr movie I seen since Oppenheimer.
7:57 Paul is Feyd's nephew, Jessica and Feyd are cousins
no. first cousins once removed.
@@beefyoso you know what, in english, yes. In my native language we'd just literally use nephew/uncle.
I completely missed the Spacing Guild, Alia of the Knife, Count Fenring, Thufir Hawat, Jamis' children, Paul and Chani falling in love, Leto II.
If you missed Irulan's narrations you're blind, deaf and paralysed. Wow, such great eye for detail! Totally not a "let's ride the Dune sandworm a little bit harder for views" video.
haven't read the books, did find the Dune movies fantastic. Dune 2 leveled up to one big masterpiece. A mix of politics, religion, sci fi with a medieval touch. characters growing into their roles, changing over time. Also, to my opinion, the question on a 'prophecy', is it a prophecy or a self fulfilling prophecy.
You need te mention there's heavy spoilers for people who haven't read the books or seen the old movies!!!!
It is a “banner” at the start of the video. Go back to the very start to see it.
No mention of The Life of Brian
Thinking the same thing!
"only the messiah it's humble enough to deny his divinity"
"He is the Messiah!"
"He's not a messiah! He's a very naughty boy!"
small detail Looper missed: how to pronounce Irulan (eer-ooo-laan).
I felt it was too easy for the good guys in the 2nd movie, but realizing that they had to withstand huge losses the first movie makes up for it
You don't get it
The point of dune is that there are no good guys
Only charismatic leaders taking advantage of the position and resources before them
Paul is no different than the baron
Just a foreigner taking over Dune, leading it to war
Another interesting fact that you missed was that the Harkonnen planet scene was shot in infrared. This creates the vivid black and white style you've called "stark brutalist greyscale".
He actually said that very clearly.
@@tanyajohnson14 weird I swore they didn't at the time I watched it originally. Can channels upload revised version of videos?
@@ryaniusi9177
They can, but they wouldn't bother just for a piece of missing trivia.
Infrared filming was mentioned at 3:10
The fact that every video that talks about dune 2 has spoilers from the books and in the end from dune 3 blow my mind. For spoiler haters those videos cant be seen
Didn't miss any part of what you talked about, 😂
alia saying we require more vespine gas. hahahaha
Alia, at the end of the book Dune is 2 years old. Can you post where you got the info she's age 4?
He is referencing the 84 movie
@@ebransc09 They say the book in the video which is probably a mistake in the script
Plan's within plan's ,. Etc. Etc.! Turtles all the way down.
I wonder if in the future series if they will show Leto II swing Alia around his head and throw her.
The murder of millions, perhaps 1000 times that. Lol.
60 billion so far in Dune Messiah.
Lol, none of this points is a small detail :). It is hard to miss most of them.
Shouldn’t the worms swivel somehow to propel, how can they just go straight..?
I sort of had impression that the worms in movie did actually swivel, but rather up-down than left-right - if you get what I mean - that could maybe explain the motion. Interesting question though :)
I wonder if Paul was manipulating Chani the entire time or if he did love her?
He loved her before the water of life
He knows what he's doing that Paul guy... low key could have absolutely been manipulating her throughout
@@JCoffTopic He still loves her after water of life. It's just that he makes the sacrifice for the greater good to go against Chani (and his own) wishes and becomes the Lisan al Gaib and marries Irulan etc...
Yes and yes. But Paul is also attempting to protect her. Chani going into the desert, may protect her from nefarious actions at court.
@@turbofisto69 maybe, for the movie's twist, he had some vision where if he stayed with her she would die (Like in that dream with the Nuke). So maybe that's he chose this path even though he loves her. The way he told her those things at the end and the way he looks at her would back this up. (A friend's theory, not mine)
Did anyone see the huge mistake in the fighting scene between Paul and his cousin?! The stab was in Paul’s stomach, then they showed it in his shoulder. HUGE Mistake.
How do they go from the immense struggle to get on a worm as shown through Paul's first ride to then just being able to put whole a caravan of people and little baskets when Jessica is riding in?
They can control the worms with the hooks that are like reins on a horse. Even a wild horse will take off running after mounting but can be brought under control by the reins, slowed down and even stopped for someone else to climb on. The hooks open the segments to expose the sensitive areas of the worms to help control and steer it. They don't show all that but they probably will in the next movie if it's green lighted.
Where's the IMPORTANCE of the SPICE? The influence of the NAVIGATORS on the EMPEROR? Where's DUNCAN IDAHO reincarnated? Where's the long description of post-drink Paul's ability to see the future? Where's the RELATIONSHIP between Chani and Paul? In the BOOK and Lynch's version that relationship was honored, not dumped!!
Take it down a notch.
@@tanyajohnson14 I read DUNE **59** years ago and it's not easy to see major plot points just dumped. Lynch's version was far better in many ways.
There is still plenty of time in Messiah for Chani and Paul's relationship, and that's also where Duncan returns. But I do agree they have kind of sold short the importance of spice, and how much power and influence the navigators have over the emperor. If I remember right, even the Fremen were sending bribes of pure unrefined spice to the guild in exchange for the removal of spy satellites over Fremen territory.
Lynch hammered this home with how the navigators were getting sick from lack of spice and even threatened to put the Emperor in a pain amplifier if he didn't get spice production back up.
Duncan Idaho doesn't get "reincarnated" really, it's more like the dead flesh gets cloned and he has a clone. That doesn't happen until book 2, though. Lynch's version is more accurate in some ways, but also extremely inaccurate in more important ways and completely missed the core themes of Dune, basically making Paul a superhero.
@NoBody-xg1wg you're right. this sequel is trash. I read the book 30 years ago. the zoomers love it tho.
How does one unmount a worm?
we were wondering the same thing watching it haha, I was hoping they would show it!
And how did they get like 30+ people on the worm? Does the work stop and wait for everyone to get on? 🤨
With extreme care! Hahaa
Get some friends and their PC's together to play some Iru-LAN
Best Picture of 2024
To be clear, there are THREE Leto Atreides - Paul’s father, Paul’s first son with Chani who dies as a baby, and Paul’s second son who becomes the God Emperor/sand worm hybrid that lives for 4000 years. This last Leto is Leto II, not his murdered brother.
@@blob6591 Read the books
@@steveburke7675go join a book club and don’t pollute a movie comment section with your spoilers. It’s weird how you people always do that shit.
these books were published decades ago and have been in print the entire time. You don't get to claim spoilers.
@@Gubble-oq6dnJust because reading a book like a halfway civilized human being is too much for you doesn't mean you can call spoilers and speak down to people to do. Be better.
Likely not to reveal spoilers within the next few books.
His behavior change after taking the water of life is motivated also by vengance and fear. In the begining, Jessica warns him that his father “didn’t belive in revenge”, signaling to the duke’s more compassionate nature, diferent from Paul, who in the books is said to resemble more his grandfather, the Old Duke. After unlocking his powers, not only he accepts his “terrible purpose”, but also utilizes this to revenge his father. The fear comes from the visions in wich he sees Chani dying if the Harkonens and the Emperor keep Arrakis. Since he forsees that, in most futures, she stays with him, he takes on the role anyway, waging war, also for his fear of loosing his beloved Chani. Anyway, deep down, he’s still human and is motivated by human feelings, his persona is intact. Diferent from pre-borns (nod to his son, Leto) who are not so held back and, thus, can take on harder choices… but that’s another story 😄
Chani almost makes the 2nd movie unwatchable. "Oh the Patriarchy!!"
Pity Alia never made it into the film..she's well bad ass. Looking forward to Part3 with Alia a couple of shapeshifters and some atomics.
Zendaya’s look in the thumbnail is one of two she has in the entire movie. One is open mouthed and one is the same but closed mouth.
Tremendous
00:55 how did the director not yell cut after this line read? That was fucming atrocious 😅
I dreamed about her too.
Nothing about the golden path?
Thats for God-Imperor, so Dune part 5 only
I was disappointed that Alia didn't really appear in the film. And Baron Harkonnen was barely in it.
The Harkonnen soldier saying 'No shields!" in the beginning was to prevent the Lasguns creating an atomic explosion when interacting with shields.
They were also in worm territory and it is a major attractant to them.
If you love the books and expect this movie to be close to the books. Forget. Not even close. But that being said it is a good movie. Excellent acting great graphics and directing. But I see very little of the book in the movie. It is much closer to the books than Peter Jackson's movie lord of the rings.
Glossu Rabban is not called "Harkonnen" ever.
Alia is really missing in Dune 2. She killed baron Harkonnen, not Paul. Relationship Chani and Paul is completely wrong in the new movie. They had a kid (later killed by imperator raid), and lived together. Once Paul stopped seeing the future path, Chani supported him taking the water of life. She never left him. She was not Fedaykin. Paul did not misuse Fremens as she suggests. The "new plot" looks to me a bit woke, not a Dune lore.
"it's a biological fluid of some sort" -- bile. it's called bile. the bile of a young maker that has been drowned.
Worms filter. It's their internal filter that's studying through the sand, which attaches to that sand, creating spice.
Spoiler alert. Blue within blue eyes are missing in part 2 movie!
The sand worms movement looked wacky. Looks like it was being towed.
Yes that couldve been done better.
I could have sworn, I've missed parts 1 and 2. 😂😂😂😂Zebdaya cringe
In the books, didnt Chany stays with Paul despite the arranged Marriage?
Yeah. I get the feeling that 'modernity' contaminated the movie. Chani switched from being loyal, loving, and supportive to becoming a defiant strong independent wahman who don't need no Paul, as well as being an ardent anti-theist. The religious Fremen, which in the book were all of them but in the movie only consisted of the 'Southerners', became totally braindead morons who mutter "As it is written" a lot and suddenly became incapable of independent or rational thought about midway through. They also cut out her having Paul's baby, because reasons.
Yes, because in the books, the Fremen were more patriarchal. Chani in the movie says Fremen men and women are equal, but in the book, they weren't. Fremen men were in charge, they could have multiple wives, wives were traded off if a man fought for her, so book Chani was OK with Paul taking Irulan as a wife because she knew she was Paul's real love, they'd been together for years, had had a child together and other relationships were allowed to Fremen men. Movie Chani was not raised like this, nor was she with Paul long, so she was less accepting.
@@druidriley3163 Slight point of correction, the Fremen were allowed to compete/fight for women UNTIL that woman had been claimed. They couldn't just take someone's wife away. The Polygamy aspect is historically common in cultures where there is high male mortality. In Fremen society, Paul was *expected* to take care of Jamis's wife and sons after he killed him in the duel. This wasn't a perk, but a responsibility
I really wish this stuff were in the movie, Fremen culture is not only fascinating, it's practical considering the type of existence they led.
@@notcrazy6288 *the Fremen were allowed to compete/fight for women UNTIL that woman had been claimed* Um, no, in the book Dune, Harah tells Paul that she's been told she looked just as young as she did when Jamis won her from her previous husband. So she was already claimed by a man, but Jamis wanted her and challenged her previous husband to a fight to the death for her and won. Did she have a choice? Apparently not. *Paul was expected to take care of Jamis's wife and sons after he killed him in the duel. This wasn't a perk, but a responsibility* Yeah, but he could also use her as a servant which was a perk for him, which she didn't like or want but she had no choice. Harah's status in the sietch would immediately fall from a wife to a servant.
@@notcrazy6288you sound like an incel. I’m glad they gave Chani agency in the movies, it makes sense why Paul would be in love with a woman that humbles him.
Ok. That lost me in the film. When his sister appeared. I guess I have to re-read the book.
Portraying Alia is not a dilemma at all.
But having her not be born at all is a BIG dilemma… since in the book she most definitely IS present as a child in the confrontation with the Emperor
@@michaelmaltzer5426 I don't see a dilemma - leaving her out is just wrong. There is no advantage to leaving her out.
OTOH, I actually liked the first unborn Alia speaks to Jessica scene. But then she should have been born.
Dont mind them taking licence with their interpretation. They dont have to do eveything exactly as it is in the book.
@@daddystu7046 Quite a strawman you have there.
Can anyone explain how the fremen dismount the worm😅
The send it into a dive and step off when when lowered to surface level
@@DmitriyRazumikhin-ed1qh at this point the sand is still in the water-like state, how they don't drown in the sand? Doesn't seem to work like this 🤔
No... that's why it isn't shown in either the Lynch or DV version 😜. Also, how the heck do they get Jessica's carriage on top of it?
Most of them climb off and then the rider removes the hooks and leaps off the back. Most of the time though, they just ride them until the worm gets exhausted and collapses on top of the sand.
They just jump off. They're not that far above the ground.
They never mention when a Lasgun contacts an active shield it results in an atomic explosion.
One of the Harkonens in the beginning just tells out "no shields!" To his squad as they get headshotted by Lasgun fire.
Those were maula pistols which aren't lasguns. He said no shields because shields attract worms. You're right though about the explosion when lasguns hit shields.
@@stephengrant4841 No they were lasguns
@@stephengrant4841 true but they don't show what weapons were used and they were already on top of a high rock outcrop safe from the worms, a thumper was already activated after all.
Even if they were Maula pistols I don't think the Harkonens knew and assumed it better be safe than set off a nuclear reaction in a spice rich area.
Correct.
And the fact that Alia isn’t even born. She kills the Baron not Paul! And the spacing guild barely mentioned
Reckon the spacing guild will be fully fleshed out in the next one along with the other houses.
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I'll be rereading the first book because of how they portrayed chani. She never chalenged paul in the books and the two of them were deeply in love. She never went to the deep desert. All of her scenes in this movie made me cringe. Her complaining of manipulation were actually the lines of lyet kynes before he died. So they butchered a cool character in the first book only to make mary jane's character seem more important in the second.
L take chani is more like one dimension in book just a battle machine she even has lesser importance In second
Here she was not forced but well developed woman
@@prakhyatsingh263 well developed woman? One dimensional character? Of course not, chani had her part to play in the books as a plot device and paul's weakness exploited by his enemies. There was no need to make her into a main character when we had characters like jessica and alia in the first books and the bene gesserit like lucilla and odrade later on who by the way had a much more interesting arc other than being a developed woman, wtf? As it stands, the story can't progress and all that because they wanted to shove zendaya somewhere in this movie. That's what happens when script is done by those who don't understand the books.
Butchered?
Changed not butchered.
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 yes, of course he was butchered. Lyet kynes had a lot more depth in the books and was the de facto leader of the fremen. He was the one worried the his people would be controlled through faith and foretold paul becoming a dictator right before his death in the middle of the desert. Paul could only become the lisan al'gaib because lyet died.
@@carlosdias854 Books have a lot more leeway to write about minor characters. Movies don't have that kind of time or money. Did Liet Kynes' existence really affect the storyline of Dune other than start the Fremen on the path to terraforming the planet and show how fatalistic they were? No. So why spend the time and money on the character in the movie?
Had to throw in there with a bad edit, oh btw paul dies. Like wtf
and this is why I think the movie is not that good it was too rushed....quick get him to super power and make him start a galatic war
Soooooooooooooooooo F’ing long. Good not great.
Idk man he made the right choice Florence > zendaya
No problem with having both.
You mean like completely saying fuck you to the writer of the books?
Dude spent decades writing this intricate plot spamming multiple books and people just think they know better because of "modern times"...aff
Details the viewers may have missed. How about the details you got wrong from both the book and part 2.
Chalamet is so lame in his role!
As in the old movie Superfly “ Freddy’s Dead”. After he took the water of life, there is no more Paul…. This series of books is a tragedy.🥲
Meh
If youre gonna give us things you think we missed 😅n the movie… try using one of the two accepted ways of saying of pronouncing names. You lost me the first few seconds in when you invented a new way of pronouncing Irulan🙄
Dune Part 2 spans 4-5 years, but they really don't make it obvious
In the book yes, but in the film they shorten the timespan significantly. You can tell because Jessica doesn't give birth to Ayla as she does in the books
The movie Dune Part 2 spans less than 9 months.
This movie is like a Star Wars story ♥ A young man becomes evil and the girl is angry because he did not love her. Should he marry her? My little brother will fight the evil big brother in part 3 or 4
@@spacingguildthat explains a lot
@@وحشليلا…because star wars borrowed from dune, yes.
What purpose did it serve to create a girlfriend for Chani? Nothing. Way too many story holes made for.... reasons?
Great visual effort, but DEI was forced either for funding or to win awards. None of that served the book or story.
*What purpose did it serve to create a girlfriend for Chani* To show that not everyone was a believer and the Fremen all had differing opinions.
I dont like Chani in this adaptation.
Villeneuve and Hollywood absolutely destroyed the story. We need a new honest effort.