Banjo Kazooie : History and Cut Content (PART 2)

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  • @TheObsessiveGamer
    @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    If you enjoy this video, give it a like and comment!
    Post-Notes:
    -Freezeezy "Park" - Accidently called it a Park when it " Peak". Misremembered its name.
    -5:37 - Accidently have the Beta and Final written in reverse

  • @BR-jw7pm
    @BR-jw7pm 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +44

    Banjo Kazooie has to have one of the most drastic development changes in gaming history

    • @napoleonfeanor
      @napoleonfeanor 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      It is actually nothing rare (heh)

    • @trafalgar47official66
      @trafalgar47official66 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@napoleonfeanortop kek

    • @Ikari-5an
      @Ikari-5an 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      It went from an SNES Pirate pre-rendered isometric game similar to Super Mario RPG which was stuck in development for 5 years (first ideas came around 1989)... To a Pacman World kind-of game to a full 3D game with panoramic camera and everything and also the themes changed a lot. Mumbo is one of the best characters and he literally came from Mumbo Jumbo... A totally wild trip.

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Changing this much of the course is pretty insane when you think about. If not for it being a gradual change with bringing in platforming and Banjo into Dream, while bringing the Pirates into Kazoo, one would just think the game was a cancelled game and they started a new project.

    • @TuxerTuxar
      @TuxerTuxar 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@BR-jw7pm From a Zelda like game to a Mario like game that's a pretty big jump

  • @TheGameShelf
    @TheGameShelf 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    Given all the changes they went thorugh development it almost feels like a miracle that Banjo-Kazooie came out the way it did, such a fantastic title

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      This is why I love all these guys from Rare. They were hella dedicated and the Stamper brothers were like the best bosses to keep the projects afloat like that.

    • @AaAa-je5eo
      @AaAa-je5eo 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@TheObsessiveGamer But without the Stampers (And Nintendo...) there is no Rare now... 😔

  • @pakasack
    @pakasack 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    This series is such a joy to watch, can’t wait for Part 3!

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thank again bro! much much appreciate it! Look forward! :)

  • @ShadowEl
    @ShadowEl 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    3:58 - The gargoyle statue model was taken from the 3D polygon model for Dream on Nintendo 64, not the SGI render used on SNES. Rare were really good about re-using assets...such as the door from the Temple Test level being re-used as Grunty's chamber door in her tower!

  • @MrGametv1994
    @MrGametv1994 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    10:33
    And that render Is the reason of the theory about Mumbo is a Jinjo.
    Which was denied by Rare.

    • @pakasack
      @pakasack 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Rare is lying!! 😂

    • @MrGametv1994
      @MrGametv1994 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @pakasack "Gasp" Blasphemy!

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      And so Ed Brian was held at gun point to never reveal Mumbo's true heritage again :P

  • @DestroyedArkana
    @DestroyedArkana 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I definitely like these style of videos where you try to go through development with as much information as we have available!

  • @Phoenixwaffles
    @Phoenixwaffles 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I just want to say I loved this video and the part 1 as well. You released the Part 1 really soon after I beat Banjo for the first time, and as soon as I beat a game I have to just learn everything about it! So I am so excited for part 3 and I've subscribed so I won't miss any future content! These Banjo videos have been really enjoyable and are extremely well researched, so I'm excited to check out your other vids as well!
    Again, amazing video, I hope to see your channel continue to grow!

  • @Mnemoniforma9.00
    @Mnemoniforma9.00 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Before anyone knew the context behind it, the alpha levels were gassed up to mythical degrees on par with the Triforce rumors, completely unaware that it was the most unambitious form of the Banjo Kazooie we know. Goes to show the grass is always greener on the other side.

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I feel this is the case for the most part with older builds of games. Alpha and beta builds may look cool, but unless they were removed for technical reasons, 7/10 times it was cause they weren't good enough for the story and presentation(2/10 for time constraints). Thankfully the technical reasons here only led to a better game haha

    • @AaAa-je5eo
      @AaAa-je5eo 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      What are the Triforce rumours you're referring to? :)

    • @Mnemoniforma9.00
      @Mnemoniforma9.00 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @AaAa-je5eo It was from the days of my own childhood, a very different time in gaming history, one where the internet wasn't at a point where video feed from your console could not be readily shared, common knowledge of how game programming and design actually worked was limited and information had no reliable means of being fact checked. Based on both alpha build trailers and the presence of the mark in the center of the pause screen Medallion slots, there was rampant speculation that there lay hidden a method to obtain a Triforce Key Item in Ocarina of Time. This merged with other schoolyard rumors based on the game's early trailers and the things in them that never appeared in the final game and was even artificially inflated by the hoaxing efforts of a few resourceful pranksters. As this supercell of wild conjecture passed by word of mouth on the playground and got churned by the shenanigans of the nascent internet, it swelled to a grandiosity akin to Atlantis or the Ark of the Covenant. Of course, it has been debunked time and again, and with the 2020 findings of the 2018 Nintendo Gigaleak, the origins of these charismatic miscellany have become much clearer, but countless romantics will swear that they know a guy who's found that El Dorado. It doesn't have the emotional dimension of wanting to find it as, say, preventing Aerith from dying, but I'd argue that the sheer scale and embellishment of these myriads of tall tales gives them much more of a mystique. Actually, I personally suspect that the plot point of searching for the Key of the Twilight in .hack//SIGN and Roots may have been inspired by the Triforce rumors.

  • @SonicGamerLP
    @SonicGamerLP 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    18:58 a similar song is used in Banjo Tooie

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      that's what i'm thinking. I actually had a line about that in the video I decided not to use simply cause Rare hasn't ever really confirmed this despite how open they were on what was reused, but personally I think it probably was here.

  • @TuxerTuxar
    @TuxerTuxar 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    I never clicked on a notification this fast my whole life

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Hopefully that quick click was worth it :)

  • @ShadowTraitYT
    @ShadowTraitYT 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    I know Dream seems like it would be more of an action RPG if it released, but im glad it ended up not going in that direction. Banjo Kazooie was one of the most iconic games on earth. I'm actually happy they went with the platforming game it became.

    • @BR-jw7pm
      @BR-jw7pm 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I kinda wish we somehow ended up with both but still, BK is legendary!

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I am glad with it leading to making such a legendary platformer as a result. While the RPG (Especially with the SNES' artstyle)would have been neat, I don't think it'd make anywhere near the impact this did.

  • @smashers6971
    @smashers6971 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Fun fact: The original Mumbo’s mountain theme is still technically in the final game as it’s used as the basis for the Gruntilda’s lair theme for it and inside the Termite mound,and it’s actually remixed in DK64 as Tiny’s tag barrel theme.

  • @kma4835
    @kma4835 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Awesome vid stoked for part 3

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hope you enjoy that grand finale when ready! :)

  • @Ikari-5an
    @Ikari-5an 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Pretty awesome. I already knew these facts but you made such a complete video, such a great coverage, great editing and everything. Just awesome. I can watch this again tomorrow during breakfast.

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you! Having thoroughly researched all of this, the info is just soooo all over the place. I'm glad I succeeded in being able to bring it all togehter to build a proper story here.

  • @real_Furryratchet
    @real_Furryratchet 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just when I thought I knew everything about this games beta status,
    you come around around and show completly new things. Your stuff is always so amazing!

  • @BR-jw7pm
    @BR-jw7pm 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Allegedly, Banjo was named after Banjo Yamauchi, grandson of the late Hiroshi Yamauchi
    Also: Mumbo would perform a rain dance in Banjo Tooie

    • @MacUser2-il2cx
      @MacUser2-il2cx 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      i doubt that. The game is themed around music and instruments. You even run around grabbing music notes.

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Yeah i've heard of that, but being that it is quite "alleged", I decided against bringing that up.
      As far as we know according to the Rare Replay videos, when Rare decided to reboot Dream into Kazoo, they just came up with a random name like Banjo and then blurted a bunch of other instruments to followed.
      Also yeah I do think that song was reused in Tooie as well haha

    • @ShadowEl
      @ShadowEl 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Multiple current & former Rare developers including Banjo-Kazooie director Gregg Mayles have publicly confirmed that Banjo was named after Banjo Yamauchi.

    • @ShadowEl
      @ShadowEl 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MacUser2-il2cx Originally "Kazoo" was going to be about collecting fruit, jinjos, and jigsaw pieces. At that point, the hero was already named Banjo.

  • @SacrificeMegs
    @SacrificeMegs 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Hell yeah I've been waiting for this video

  • @CG078TZ
    @CG078TZ 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Awesome video, can’t wait for part 3!!!

  • @Outside998
    @Outside998 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Fun fact: A slow variation of the original Mumbo's Mountain theme can still be heard inside the termite hill in the finished game.

  • @SpeechlessWolf
    @SpeechlessWolf 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Freezeezy Park? I thought it was called Freezeezy Peak?

    • @satanasluciferi7278
      @satanasluciferi7278 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It is

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      eah my fault there. Misremembered this from back then haha. Made a note of that in the pinned comment

  • @6SamChat9
    @6SamChat9 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    All those jungle sounds ended up in Donkey Kong 64 😂

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Alot more ended up in DK64 which Part 3 is planned to show ;)

  • @archenemy6536
    @archenemy6536 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Is it just me, or is the "Beta" and "Final" Sprial Mountain mixed up...
    I'm pretty sure Sprial Mountain on the left is the final version?
    Great video nonetheless, always watchibg your content when it airs.

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah my mistake. I made a note of that already in the pinned comment. But thank you! :)

  • @therealslimweegee
    @therealslimweegee 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    18:31 So that’s where the same line in Mayaham Temple in Banjo-Tooie comes from! Looking at things, there seems to be a lot of unused tracks and voice lines that went unused in Banjo-Kazooie but were later used in Banjo-Tooie.

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I do theorize this too. I actually had a line recorded saying this in the video but it was a bit too speculative since Rare hasn't confirmed it like they normally do, but I would say probably in reality.

  • @CapnAnime
    @CapnAnime 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Like the new icon

  • @TheRyujinLP
    @TheRyujinLP 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Anyone here who'd loved to see Project Dream actually happen now that tech has more then caught up to what Rare was trying to do back in the day?

  • @kurotama_doublebread
    @kurotama_doublebread 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Oh yeah, more BT facts

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      And more planned for part ! :)

    • @kurotama_doublebread
      @kurotama_doublebread 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@TheObsessiveGamer I hope I'll catch it as soon as this one!

  • @elio7610
    @elio7610 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    5:37 The text erroneously labels the unfinished map as "Final" and the finished map as "Beta", it seems that the labels were accidentally swapped with each other into the wrong place.

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah my mistake. Made a comment on that in the pinned note.

    • @elio7610
      @elio7610 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@TheObsessiveGamer It is probably not a big deal, really. It is mostly obvious which one is which anyway, even a viewer that hasn't played the game can probably figure it out but it is definitely obvious to anyone that has played it since anyone that has played it has at least seen Spiral Mountain so probably knows how it looks in the released version. The mistake is unlikely to mislead anyone.

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @elio7610 Yeah I don't think it will, but I personally don't like mistakes like these as a perfectionist lol wish TH-cam would let me add patches

  • @Kaitri
    @Kaitri 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    MOOOORE!
    Does tooie also have cut stuff? While like tooie more, people talk way more about kazooie

  • @pokechamp3987
    @pokechamp3987 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I love how just like in the game Clanker was once a normal whale/shark that was transformed. At least that's how I interpreted it in game.

  • @TheRyujinLP
    @TheRyujinLP 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Man, it's crazy that a stupid copywrite issues actually worked out for the better. I think we can all agree, Kazooie hits better then just Kazoo.
    And man, that early music. It was good but the tracks we got are just... somehow perfect. It's amazing how much just somehow clicked right with almost everything in this game. Hell, even the fact they had to drop the voice acting worked out for the best. I don't think these characters would be as iconic if they just had normal lines you know.

  • @wizardpower6158
    @wizardpower6158 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Such comfy content

  • @Mortablunt
    @Mortablunt 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    2:39 - what WHAAT!!?? 🤣🤣

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Kazooie's abuse of Banjo was once on a whole other level lol

  • @thingsiplay
    @thingsiplay 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Wish some Romhacker would mod the game to rename character and change some looks and levels, and story elements to the Beta stuff.

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I want them to build the cut levels of the game personally haha (which part 3 is to explore)

  • @BenWillock
    @BenWillock 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Imagine a Banjo-Kazooie game where all the traversal moves are unlocked for use anywhere in the map rather than just with specific tiles in specific places.
    Something more like Mario Odyssey.

  • @JimbQ
    @JimbQ 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Knowing the humour, Tooty was probably named that also as Tooting is slang for farting in the UK

  • @ScottSwooshhh
    @ScottSwooshhh 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    another banger

  • @Cliffordlonghead
    @Cliffordlonghead 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    16:14 The main ugly Hag herself Gruntilda Winkybunion. or Gruntilda "Grunty" Winkybunion or nickname Grunty

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I mean doesn't have to stay an "ugly hag"... just need to throw Tooty into a certain machine to get us the opposite :P

    • @Cliffordlonghead
      @Cliffordlonghead 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@TheObsessiveGamer that is a bad idea for Grunty Since in the bad ending of kazooie. when Grunty Steal Tooty Beauty it will also Turn grunty into a Furry bear to be like Tooty.

  • @User-ue4j4wf3o
    @User-ue4j4wf3o 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Can you do mario and Luigi superstar saga cut content

  • @EmberCitrine
    @EmberCitrine 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I don't not like the name 'Banjo-Kazooie", but I think 'Banjo-Kazoo' would have been a bit better. However, I think it's tragic that Tooty's name didn't remain Piccolo.

  • @ramongutierrez8249
    @ramongutierrez8249 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just when I though that there wasn't any new content about BK cut content

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Haha and we still got more in a part 3 :3

  • @SonicJrandSarah
    @SonicJrandSarah 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I had recently heard of Piccolo being confirmed to never have been planned to be Banjo's girlfriend as a lot of fans believed.

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah I learned the truth recently too. Pretty wild how popular thta was.

  • @yaoimandel1293
    @yaoimandel1293 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    "Enemies of the stronger variety were placed here, such as The Bull and Conga, as these were enemies that were definitely on the much tougher side, they were moved to a different level"
    lol both of them were in the first world of the game.
    EDIT: I guess you're not wrong though, they were moved from the tutorial to the first level (and last level in the case of The Bull).

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeahhh they'd be a bit overkill for the tutorial afterall.

  • @STARSVeteran
    @STARSVeteran 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If Kazooie is referred to as Satan by Nintendo HQ, consider me a complete follower of the Chad Kazooie. 😂❤

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Well seems I was right on the ball when I say "a match made in HELL" lol

  • @Deku-yv6kw
    @Deku-yv6kw 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    5:27 on the right is the beta and the final is on the left

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah my mistake. Made a comment on that in the pinned note.

  • @safebox36
    @safebox36 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Is there a source for the trademark issues? Cause I'm a little skeptical on them.
    "Kazoo" isn't trademarked and would probably only be allowed to be trademarked if it was part of a greater title (such as "Banjo Kazoo" but not "Kazoo" on its own).
    But in the UK there's a car dealership called Cazoo which is spelled differently, so no conflicts should occur.
    As for Piccolo, I also don't think that would have been an issue as Nintendo has another character with that name in the Mario franchise.
    As well as a character with the name in the 90s cartoon seaQuest DSV.
    Usually for a character to be trademarked, its entire identity has to be protected not just its name. So they might have been in the clear so long as she wasn't an alien or green.
    I can't confirm, but both of these cases feel like they were being careful just in case, rather than because they were legally made to.

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Rare's old website has an interview on how trademark forced their hand web.archive.org/web/20001216164100/rareware.com/affairs/tepid/banjteam.html

  • @4thechivostreamsarchive586
    @4thechivostreamsarchive586 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    5:28 Did someone say A NATURAL FORMATION???? *Halo Theme intensifies*

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      heh I forgot that reference there

  • @TwilightRO1
    @TwilightRO1 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Project dream looked so much better on the SNES. background was rich and vibrant. 65 version looked empty and dead

  • @Predacon176
    @Predacon176 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The story behind banjo is wild but damn do I wanna know the story behind Conkers bad fur day though 👀

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That is a whole other rabbit hole... which i would like to explore at some point :P

  • @DPUDDZ
    @DPUDDZ 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I would love a remake or new game in the banjo series 😢

  • @Moonstrider
    @Moonstrider 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Playing as Tooty? «…special mode»

  • @mr1spamification
    @mr1spamification 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    5:27 my guy... the final is on the LEFT not the right, lololol

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mr1spamification my guy, read the pinned comment lol

    • @mr1spamification
      @mr1spamification 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@TheObsessiveGamer oh I didn't click read more, that's why

  • @MM-go4nj
    @MM-go4nj 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Iggam Poggam

  • @Huffcake
    @Huffcake 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    PPPRRP! Doesn't hit the same way as BRAAAP!

  • @ashemabahumat4173
    @ashemabahumat4173 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wish they had kept Piccolo, lol

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah same, but Piccolo needed to go and be a stepfather somewhere else :P

  • @Cliffordlonghead
    @Cliffordlonghead 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    hiii

  • @University-cg7sk
    @University-cg7sk 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You got banjo right but Diddy kong racing is not there

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Wait til Part 3... literally gonna be mentioned at the beginning of that actually since this very event is E3 related haha

  • @University-cg7sk
    @University-cg7sk 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Oh my god

  • @Ghostdom_1
    @Ghostdom_1 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    5:27 You made a small mistake 🤓

    • @User-ue4j4wf3o
      @User-ue4j4wf3o 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I see no difference

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah my mistake. Made a comment on that in the pinned note.

  • @University-cg7sk
    @University-cg7sk 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It not freezie park

    • @andredelacerdasantos4439
      @andredelacerdasantos4439 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      it was at that stage of development

    • @TheObsessiveGamer
      @TheObsessiveGamer  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah my fault there. Misremembered this from back then haha. Made a note of that in the pinned comment

  • @lorddukfoxyzeppeli7921
    @lorddukfoxyzeppeli7921 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Fanjo kazzoie

  • @Tazerboy_10
    @Tazerboy_10 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    😄