ACC Spotlight: Is Miami Still a Top Expansion Target? | SEC | Big 10 | Big 12
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- As a major brand in college sports, it was widely assumed that Miami would be a top expansion target in the case the ACC implodes, but now the possibility that they don't end up in one of the Big 10 or SEC is seeming more likely. Do they still have a case to get into one of those conferences? And how would they fit in the Big 12 if it comes to it?
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Which conference do you think Miami will be in in 5 years and why?
The ACC. Miami has been in the ACC for over twenty years without ever winning an ACC championship because of FSU and Clemson. Without those two, Miami would have a decent chance. They could be one of the top 3-4 teams in the ACC going forward.
If the SEC and B1G only go to ~20 each, MIAMI likely stays in the then Tier 2 ACC. If ~24 each, MIAMI likely moves to the B1G with ND.
Big12
@@tarheel7406 Realignment at this point really does come down to just how big those two conferences want to get.
@@morrissimmons Certainly a good brand in a great market, but would they become another malcontent?
One could argue that MIAMI is the (at least a) primary reason why the ACC is in its current situation. Though the ACC didn't have to agree, MIAMI demanded CUSE/BC as a +2, which resulted in also VATECH and PITT due to political interference. None of the former BIGEAST additions (including MIAMI) have met expectations measured from invite to today.
Definitely a part of the problem
Virginia Tech and Miami are 10-10 over the past 20 years and 15-15 over the past 30 years. They are the same level on the field.
Yeah, Tech was constantly in the top 25 for a long time.
I personally hate that Miami and Virginia Tech don’t play every year anymore
FSU is 13-12 vs Miami since 2000, but FSU fans think they are Bama compared to Miami lol
@@Ryan-vq5urthey are!
At the end of the day, this will come down to an agreement between SEC/ESPN and B1G/FOX. Having said that, there is no way all 3 top schools in Florida end up in the same conference.
The question is how they split up FSU and Miami.
FSU is a better fit in the SEC. SEC wants FSU. ESPN wants FSU.
Miami is a better fit in the B1G. B1G wants Miami. FOX REALLY wants Miami.
There is a scenario that is a win-win for all parties involved:
FSU & Clemson go to SEC
Miami goes to B1G... which entices Notre Dame to finally join also.
ESPN then offers a new TV contract to the leftover ACC.
I know FSU fans hate the SEC.. but $$$ talks. FSU will not turn down an invite from the SEC.
I think this is a great solution on paper, but I don't expect it to play it this way anymore.
Two out of three ain’t bad I’ve heard
FSU is disposable to the SEC. How many times does this have to be reported? Reporting and credible claims re: SEC interest in MIAMI has been less consistent.
MIAMI (and ND) got unworthy AAU invites and were reported as B1G vetted. FSU (and CLEMSON) didn't and weren't.
Miami was supposed to come in with Virginia Tech and add to the FSU and Clemson football prowess. Instead, them and VT to a lesser extent have both laid huge eggs.
True. But it does feel like Miami has latent potential.
Let’s watch over June/July/August to see what happens with FSU and Clemson. I suspect just in my opinion that they will not be in the ACC for the 2025 season. The attention at that point will turn sharply to UNC/UVA/Miami and in my views these teams will be on the watch list to not be in the ACC for the 26 season. Interesting summer ahead…
I agree that those are the next three to watch. It's wild to think UVA could get invited to a super 2 conference while Miami misses out.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu I agree. I can’t imagine Miami being left out. I do think they are a BIG 10 school. I would like the idea of a trio deal with ND and UVA. UNC naturally I am inclined to say they are a BIG 10 school as well, but everything being reported is leaning SEC.
They make a lot of sense for both. But it does seem like the Big 10 is prioritizing FSU.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu that’s what the reports are saying for sure.!
It will be interesting to say the least. I think part of the reason why Miami administration is going all in is to remind everyone what ratings can look like if Miami performs as expected in some preseason polls this year. But they have to do it on the field.
Miami is the dance partner not the target
Ultimately do you care if you got the fourth ticket in the front row instead of the first?
Funny way to put it, but feels accurate.
@@RockandRant1 FSU fans seem to care and to care alot.
@@RockandRant1 that’s true!
SEC do not want Miami for various reasons
Sure, we discussed them. Are there others? Please name them.
I do not want Clemson in the Big Ten. The only thing Clemson brings is flash in the pan football. Let Clemson go to the SEC.
I am not sure about Florida State and Miami.
I dont see Big Ten COPC caring about what the SEC is doing unless encroachment into Big Ten Country like the ACC did with Pitt/Cuse.
Otherwise the Big Ten expansion isnt like other conferences. We havent poached anyone or engaged in power plays.
@@A1Googler Define "poach".... The B1G has added the following from other then relatively peer major conferences:
NEB
MARYLAND
USC
UCLA
WASH
ORE
It has attempted same to some degree:
UVA
UNC
GATECH
TEXAS (likely)
PITT and CUSE would be considered more old BIGEAST country rather than B1G.
@A1Googler What are you talking about??? The Big 10 took USC and UCLA, which was a major contributor to its collapse. It was also in reaction to the SEC picking up Texas and OU.
@@tarheel7406 We disagree on plenty, but I completely agree with this.
Clemsons little dynasty was led by two generational QB’s. Their era of dominance is over and FSU is gonna take a step back. What makes Miami unique is that even after 2 decades of irrelevance, It would only takes a double digit win season to start hearing the “U is back”, ratings to shoot up and them to be the most sought after team in the ACC. FSU and Clemson are on the dance floor, But the SEC and Big 10 are staring at Miami over at the bar and waiting for the right moment lol
FSU has evidenced high brand inertia and has a more stable extended fanbase than MIAMI. CLEMSON has yet to prove high brand inertia and would have a smaller natural extended fanbase than FSU. Of those three and ignoring the different perspectives of the SEC and B1G, it's likely FSU, MIAMI and then CLEMSON.
UNC and likely UVA are higher than all three from the perspective of both P2s. The BIG12 would take the three over the flags.
I do have the same questions about Clemson. But you have to think they have a really good idea that they'll have a home if they're going through all these legal proceedings.
@@tarheel7406 FSU does not have a bigger national fan base than Miami. They definitely pack a stadium better because what else is going on in Tallahassee? It also doesn’t help that a major part of Miami’s identity was destroyed the day the orange bowl was demolished.
@@Ryan-vq5ur Please read closer. I wrote "natural extended fanbase" not "national"
Frankly, if FSU's brand was as big, valuable and respected as many like to claim, there would have been no CFP snub. (This ignores any effects from the barking.) If the roles would have been reversed, I maintain that CLEMSON (recent success), MIAMI (national brand), and UVA/UNC (old money and influence) would not have been so snubbed.
@@tarheel7406 Yea I misread that. I agree with your point on the playoff snub.
BTW... UNC has beat MIAMI ~4x straight in football. If I blamed officiating if the situation was reversed or for UNC underachieving, I would rightly be mocked. The reality is that MIAMI has failed as an expansion measured by reasonable expectations. The ACC even set the original divisions based on MIAMI being consistently competitive.
MIAMI and/or its fans blaming the ACC is pitiful. They should be arguing that, notwithstanding its clear failures, it has retained some national interest and brand.
Funny how that happens. Another case that's shows the grass isn't always greener in realignment.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu MIAMI moving was the correct decision. The hodgepodge old BIGEAST was never going to remain stable or competitive with the need to get to 12 members for conference champ games. MIAMI's mistakes were demanding CUSE/BC as a +2 and then being apathetic to its football withering.
Totally get that thought I’m not sure where I said that Miami performed up to expectations just relaying that Miami fans don’t like the ACC and obviously when it comes to fandom, sometimes facts don’t match the feelings. I think it’s a bit of a stretch to not say that the ACC doesn’t have a tobacco road bias though. Pretty sure the Florida State and Clemson would agree.
@@RockandRant1 a) I stand by my original comment. b) T-Road hasn't run the ACC for decades.
Football focused expansions were needed; they just failed to meet expectations. Creating security for a long-term plan was reasonable; unexpected events made those plans fail. I have no problem with accepting the realities of the current and the need to do what must be done now. I have lots of problems with unreasonable and dishonest assessment of blame.
@@tarheel7406 You’re absolutely allowed to your take on it. That’s the beauty of the conversation and different views on it.
Still? They never were tbh
Haha. They were definitely in the conversation. Think back to the Magnificent 7.
There are several schools ahead of Miami
Agreed. But how many of those go to the Big 10 and how big does the SEC want to get?
@saturdayswarriorbyu Well, I can see ND, GT because its TV market is #7 and Miami is #18 plus GT is AAU also. Then, it is the Texas market and please do not dismiss the possibility of A&M going to the B1G before a Miami. I really see Miami going to the Big12. The only way Miami goes to the B1G is if FSU is going to the SEC.
Possibly. They have a good case for both conferences, but really good cases against as well.
@@morrissimmonshow many people in ATL are really watching GT football though?
@@Ryan-vq5urvery few
Miami has a beach and an irrelevant football team
But they're a big brand that brings interest.
FSU does NOT have to play UF every year by (Florida) law. It ALMOST came to that, but UF finally relented and agreed to play FSU yearly. You'd think the fact that UF chickened out of the 2020 matchup would have easily disproved that, but so many people believe the myth.
Moral Gables is nobody's primary rival. FSU and UF are primary rivals. FSU is Moral Gables' primary rival, but not the other way around.
He acknowledged that FSU's primary rival is Florida.
Miami to the Big12
Yes, I stand corrected on that one though my guess is that they would legislated just like apparently North Carolina did today if they hadn’t worked it out
There was never a law saying they have to play, but uf has been ordered to by the state board of control. Otherwise they would not as they are indeed scared and want to schedule cupcakes at home.
@@SurferRC That's not correct. There was pressure in the 1950s, but no orders were given.
Everyone wants Miami! ❤
But do they have room for Miami?
No one in the SEC wants Miami. The SEC would rather have FSU than ever consider Miami.
The only scenarios where Miami goes P-2 are 1: FSU goes SEC and the Big 10 takes them to get into Florida. 2: Big 10 wants FSU but NOT Clemson. Then Miami can go as their running mate. If the Big 10 takes Clemson and FSU; Then NO. The SEC does not want The U at all:
That's pretty much how I see the scenarios too. I wouldn't completely rule them out of the SEC, but I also don't see it happening.
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If Miami can return to being the []_[] of the past… without a doubt…. The []_[| will be the biggest brand in the ACC & most sought after…. Before Clemson made their playoff run prior to 2014 …. They were around the 60th plus revenue generating team in college football…. Karen State University (FSU) will have more to CRY about after the []_[] puts that beat down on the Karen’s this upcoming season …. You’re correct… UM turned down the SEC & that’s the reason South Carolina got the invite
That's going way back. I didn't realize Miami was in the mix when SC was added.
I can make an a pretty valid argument that Miami has show its floor in tv ratings after 20 years of mediocrity but still showing up top 25 tv wise in a Brett mcmurphy article (few different ways others have calculated it so reports vary) and Clemson has shown its ceiling.
@@RockandRant1 One can also see that MIAMI failed as an ACC investment at the P5 level. The P2 stakes are even higher.
Lol miami still thinks they have a shot at relevancy
MIAMI BACKSTABBED FSU
This I've gotta hear. What do you mean?
They voted with the ACC to sue FSU. You do not vote against a state school in your state PERIOD
Oh, I see. I can't say I knew that was a role though.
Oh please... If FSU can justify going scorched earth, MIAMI can easily justify its realignment strategy.
FSU has effectively approached this situation as a lone gunman, while MIAMI appears to have applied with ND.
Miami is irrelevant
This comment is irrelevant. You know there's more to it than just that.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu I've always appreciated the passive aggressiveness of this channel. Good Luck to you and yours, sir!
I'm not sure how to take that comment. I'm also not sure how I was being passive aggressive.
@@TheOracleOfTH-cam Give the BYU fans a break. They have wanted to get into the P5 (or an earlier version of the then Tier 1) for a long time. They finally get their chance when the P5 is dying in favor of a P2, but they hope that the inevitable won't happen or just deny the reality.
These interviews with representatives of non-BIG12 schools are interesting. The new BIG12 is seen as the option of last resort, but the guests are usually too polite to be direct about that.
Again, what needs to happen is for the BIG12 fans to recognize that the future for most of the members is fungible Tier 2 football and discuss how the Tier 2 should best look. For instance, 2 or 3 regionals?
@@tarheel7406 Yep, its sad, it really is. The one that dumbfounded me the most was SMU. Reaching much for nothing? Someone will have to explain that one to me. I'm not too up to date on SMU.