//Commentaries and used sources\\ (by Marco and Cod) (Commentaries): - The Alternative UC (Thunderbolt and Origin) versions of the GM Cannon have not been covered in this video, and for the following reasons: - the TB version of the GM Cannon only worth-noting aspects are that it shares the more framed body of the Thunderbolt sector GM and its sub-arms shields, use a slimmier barrel for its cannon, and sometimes comes equipped with a Full Armor Gundam-type twin beam rifle. It seems also far more common than its mainline UC variant. The TB Guncannon II is however a bit more fleshed out, and is said to have been developed by Anaheim Electronics rather than the Augusta Labs. A prototype version with a Gundam makeup called the Bull-G also exists. - The Origin version of the GM Cannon is essentially a non-factor, as any Origin GM can be converted into its Cannon or Missile Type variant by adding the proper shoulder and backpack equipments, rather than being a standalone variant like the mainline GM Cannon is. Note that despite that, MS Discovery introduces an Origin GM Cannon Space Assault type with lore identical to its mainline UC counterpart from MSV-R. (Non exhaustive list of used sources): - Mobile Suit Gundam Mobile Suit Variations [1984] - Mobile Suit Gundam MSV-R Graphic Document [2014] - Mobile Suit Gundam TV Storybook [1981] - Master Archive Mobile Suit RGM-79 GM Vol.2 [2015] - RGC-83 GM Cannon II HGUC Manual [2011]. - Mobile Suit Gundam 0083 Encyclopedia [1992] - Mobile Suit Gundam New Translation MS Complete Works UC0081-0090 [2022]. - AoZ Traitor to Destiny Visual Book Complete File [2013] - MSG 79: Rise from the Ashes Dreamcast Game, [1999] - The Blue Destiny manga series [2020] - Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam Series No. 16 GM Cannon plastic manual [1985] - Mobile Suit Gundam: Gihren's Greed: War of Independence [2003]
@@hibemabygaming4316 yeah but that one is a standalone prototype made in the OG Guncannon image for the ceremony in Side 7 (with the Aonbar and the other two prototypes)
I’m not a big fan of EF MS, but I’m actually a bit fond of Guncannons, specially the RX-77D, probably my favorite version of the bunch. The RX-77-3 comes in 2nd place, but it’s one of the features it shares with the RX-77-4 that I want to talk to you about: the beam cannon. My take on the RX-77-4 is that it was developed at California Base after its recapture, which is interesting, since it suggest some of the captured facilities and data could have been used for its development. Case in point, I’m aware of the conflicted background of the MS-06K Zaku Cannon, which some older sources claimed it had a beam cannon, rather than a ballistic one, partly the reason the EF and Titans were still using it as late as UC 0087. While this claim has been obscured overtime by other depictions of it using a regular ballistic cannon, with 08th MS Team we saw a push to show a different larger cannon that could better fit the description of an oversized artillery piece that cause balance issues. Games like Target in Sight saw proper Zaku Cannons with this weapon and we also figured out that it is the same cannon used by the bulkier MS-09K-1. On a related note, California Base also later produced the MS-05L, which on paper sounds like a very similar concept: a beam weapon powered by a secondary backpack generator. Back to my original point, maybe the RX-77-4 were created using the data and facilities used to produce MS-06K with beam cannons, using RX-77-3 units to first test it out. The fact that the RX-77-4 is using a single beam cannon like the MS-06K or MS-14C is what began making me suspicious of this. Other weird details of the MS-06K are its legs, which seem awfully similar to the YMS-09 & YMS-09D, which always made me wonder if they could imply that it was meant to hover on the ground as well. On paper it would be something similar to the Recksnow from G Reconquista: a ground hovering unit with a shoulder mounted beam weapon. The more recent addition of the MS-06GD, a OYW ground hovering Zaku, to the Zeon roster only further convinced me that such design do might be possible. In an old mechatalk thread I recall Mark saying that maybe the original intent was for the MS-06K to be related to an older iteration of the MS-06R3, from MSV rather than the M-MSV version: www.mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=15863&start=60#p355769 Incidentally, giving the Zaku Cannon ground hovering capabilities as well might fit well with the idea that the Gelgoog can pretty much do the same with its leg thrusters. What do you think?
I didn’t even know that the RG-78AV was a thing until till this video but I can’t find any info about anywhere not even in the fan wiki including the rest of the federation mobile suits in twilight of zeon
Wouldn't the RX-77G Guncannon Ground Type be considered a GM cannon since it is a GM ground type with the Guncannon's arms, parts of the legs and the backpack?
From what I remember, the Guncannon Ground Type is like the Gundam Ground Type, made with V project spare parts. It even has the same Max mode limiter to ensure stability between the different parts of Various quality
Yeah thinking about it like why did no one think okay let's build a secondary generator with a big magazine and a double layer railgun instead of a shoulder Cannon or keep the cannon the way it was but put on a extra generator and mount hip railguns for extra firepower and the generator could power other thrusters so it can move better on Earth and in space
@@swakage13x that's pretty much what they did with the White Coral, but that would be super expensive on a large scale, and not very possibly by OYW standards
Those are exclusive to the Origin Continuity, which is a distinct alternative branching of the UC mainline continuity (what you would call canon, but isn't canon because Japanese medias dont like that very concept)
No precise reason, but it's worth nothing the GM III outcompeted the Nemo III that followed some GM Cannon's design baselines, and the Jegan itself outcompeted the Jeed which had its own X2 variant that transformed into a Guncannon/Loto lookalike. In the GM III case it's likely it never received any Cannon variant because it appeared in the early era of fourth generation MS. When everyone is spawning 25m behemoths with half a dozen of beam cannons as the new standard left and right, it's probably better to give your new mainline GM the capacity to carry around a lot of missiles, than spending money in a GM III variant with a single cannon (that isn't going to scratch any Zaku III armor any day of the week)
@gundamfacts could always go with the shoulder mounted beam cannons, but not really arty at that point, also kinda just what war war had evolved into at that point. Im not well acquainted with the 1st neo zeon war, but the 2nd was basically just in space and had no real need i guess
@@gundamfactsis the GM III was a rush refit for Kalaba and the EFF it was a merging back in to AE basically took the stock GM II and replaced the generator and backpack with the one from Gundam MK2 and added more thrusters based on the MK2 design it's support loadout was just adding rocket pods to the suit. They still had the GM Cannon II units the AEUG was using.
![The Dijeh [Loiu & Co Type]!](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3LXtBBYYCw4/mqdefault.jpg)
//Commentaries and used sources\\ (by Marco and Cod)
(Commentaries):
- The Alternative UC (Thunderbolt and Origin) versions of the GM Cannon have not been covered in this video, and for the following reasons:
- the TB version of the GM Cannon only worth-noting aspects are that it shares the more framed body of the Thunderbolt sector GM and its sub-arms shields, use a slimmier barrel for its cannon, and sometimes comes equipped with a Full Armor Gundam-type twin beam rifle. It seems also far more common than its mainline UC variant. The TB Guncannon II is however a bit more fleshed out, and is said to have been developed by Anaheim Electronics rather than the Augusta Labs. A prototype version with a Gundam makeup called the Bull-G also exists.
- The Origin version of the GM Cannon is essentially a non-factor, as any Origin GM can be converted into its Cannon or Missile Type variant by adding the proper shoulder and backpack equipments, rather than being a standalone variant like the mainline GM Cannon is. Note that despite that, MS Discovery introduces an Origin GM Cannon Space Assault type with lore identical to its mainline UC counterpart from MSV-R.
(Non exhaustive list of used sources):
- Mobile Suit Gundam Mobile Suit Variations [1984]
- Mobile Suit Gundam MSV-R Graphic Document [2014]
- Mobile Suit Gundam TV Storybook [1981]
- Master Archive Mobile Suit RGM-79 GM Vol.2 [2015]
- RGC-83 GM Cannon II HGUC Manual [2011].
- Mobile Suit Gundam 0083 Encyclopedia [1992]
- Mobile Suit Gundam New Translation MS Complete Works UC0081-0090 [2022].
- AoZ Traitor to Destiny Visual Book Complete File [2013]
- MSG 79: Rise from the Ashes Dreamcast Game, [1999]
- The Blue Destiny manga series [2020]
- Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam Series No. 16 GM Cannon plastic manual [1985]
- Mobile Suit Gundam: Gihren's Greed: War of Independence [2003]
Return of the king
The king has returned nice to see you again
And amazing video as always
I love how the thumbnail is basically like the vanilla gm thumbnail but flipped. Now we have 2/4ths of an earth.
@@miguelm5074 I was waiting to use it for a long time
Welcome back. Glad you still here
Missed these, great to see a new one. Love your detailed Gundam content, very satisfying for lore nerds like me.
Finally, he's returned!
Glad you´re back, realy enjoy your work
@@Adam-nc6qg thanks for the support, it's what fuel these videos really
Please make development history of Dom/Rick Dom and they variations, and the Gelgoog development history.
@@josephfox9076 Dreissen is coming soon
@gundamfacts 🫡
Ayy what a return 🎉
Let’s go I love these detailed lore videos. Thank You so much for making these amazing videos.
Great video, so happy your back.
28:27 There's another Jegan Cannon variant called the "Cannongan" but it only ever appears in UC 0096 Last Sun
@@hibemabygaming4316 yeah but that one is a standalone prototype made in the OG Guncannon image for the ceremony in Side 7 (with the Aonbar and the other two prototypes)
great to have you back with an excellent topic.
Glad to see you back and making more videos. This was fun.
I’m not a big fan of EF MS, but I’m actually a bit fond of Guncannons, specially the RX-77D, probably my favorite version of the bunch.
The RX-77-3 comes in 2nd place, but it’s one of the features it shares with the RX-77-4 that I want to talk to you about: the beam cannon.
My take on the RX-77-4 is that it was developed at California Base after its recapture, which is interesting, since it suggest some of the captured facilities and data could have been used for its development.
Case in point, I’m aware of the conflicted background of the MS-06K Zaku Cannon, which some older sources claimed it had a beam cannon, rather than a ballistic one, partly the reason the EF and Titans were still using it as late as UC 0087.
While this claim has been obscured overtime by other depictions of it using a regular ballistic cannon, with 08th MS Team we saw a push to show a different larger cannon that could better fit the description of an oversized artillery piece that cause balance issues. Games like Target in Sight saw proper Zaku Cannons with this weapon and we also figured out that it is the same cannon used by the bulkier MS-09K-1.
On a related note, California Base also later produced the MS-05L, which on paper sounds like a very similar concept: a beam weapon powered by a secondary backpack generator.
Back to my original point, maybe the RX-77-4 were created using the data and facilities used to produce MS-06K with beam cannons, using RX-77-3 units to first test it out. The fact that the RX-77-4 is using a single beam cannon like the MS-06K or MS-14C is what began making me suspicious of this.
Other weird details of the MS-06K are its legs, which seem awfully similar to the YMS-09 & YMS-09D, which always made me wonder if they could imply that it was meant to hover on the ground as well.
On paper it would be something similar to the Recksnow from G Reconquista: a ground hovering unit with a shoulder mounted beam weapon.
The more recent addition of the MS-06GD, a OYW ground hovering Zaku, to the Zeon roster only further convinced me that such design do might be possible.
In an old mechatalk thread I recall Mark saying that maybe the original intent was for the MS-06K to be related to an older iteration of the MS-06R3, from MSV rather than the M-MSV version:
www.mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=15863&start=60#p355769
Incidentally, giving the Zaku Cannon ground hovering capabilities as well might fit well with the idea that the Gelgoog can pretty much do the same with its leg thrusters.
What do you think?
Good to see you again bud! Great lore video! The space assault type really caught my eye!
@@christianrobledo5627 I like the thin legs
the goat is back
@@TokyoFilthy it was time to return
My 3rd favorite GM
The moment I saw this suit in raise from the ash I knew what love was❤
I am once again asking for that Phantom development history episode(welcome back goat).
@@leoornstein3963 I need to do that someday (I love the Ghost)
damn happy to more of these videos from you man
@@Reaper19801 the break is over
Peak video as always 🔥
@@wpd1915 thanks for the support!
I didn’t even know that the RG-78AV was a thing until till this video but I can’t find any info about anywhere not even in the fan wiki including the rest of the federation mobile suits in twilight of zeon
We are so back
@@flipfloppy_ indeed
GM CANNON! MY BABY!!! 😍🤩
The king has return 🎉🎉🎉
@@geoffreydybongcojr.2667 we are so back
Wouldn't the RX-77G Guncannon Ground Type be considered a GM cannon since it is a GM ground type with the Guncannon's arms, parts of the legs and the backpack?
From what I remember, the Guncannon Ground Type is like the Gundam Ground Type, made with V project spare parts. It even has the same Max mode limiter to ensure stability between the different parts of Various quality
@@gundamfactsNow all that's left is the Guntank Ground Type for the team to be complete in the ground line.
@@ianbarbosa6201wouldn't the assault guntank kinda count as the ground version of the guntank?
GM Cannon my beloved!
I wonder if the vanilla gm had a short of core block system for easy swap of parts in the field.
@@anthonywalker6268 nope, the regular GM doesn't have that simplified Core Block
Yeah thinking about it like why did no one think okay let's build a secondary generator with a big magazine and a double layer railgun instead of a shoulder Cannon or keep the cannon the way it was but put on a extra generator and mount hip railguns for extra firepower and the generator could power other thrusters so it can move better on Earth and in space
@@swakage13x that's pretty much what they did with the White Coral, but that would be super expensive on a large scale, and not very possibly by OYW standards
15:01
Tianem fleet
Wait a minute did they just
@@hermawandon7812 did they just?
@gundamfacts tankman square
Gm superior
🎉🎉🎉🎉
Is the prototype guncannons from the Origins animations considered canon or not?
Those are exclusive to the Origin Continuity, which is a distinct alternative branching of the UC mainline continuity (what you would call canon, but isn't canon because Japanese medias dont like that very concept)
I wonder why no gm iii, or jegan cannon? The only 'mass production' unit i can think of is the guncannon dt
No precise reason, but it's worth nothing the GM III outcompeted the Nemo III that followed some GM Cannon's design baselines, and the Jegan itself outcompeted the Jeed which had its own X2 variant that transformed into a Guncannon/Loto lookalike.
In the GM III case it's likely it never received any Cannon variant because it appeared in the early era of fourth generation MS. When everyone is spawning 25m behemoths with half a dozen of beam cannons as the new standard left and right, it's probably better to give your new mainline GM the capacity to carry around a lot of missiles, than spending money in a GM III variant with a single cannon (that isn't going to scratch any Zaku III armor any day of the week)
@gundamfacts could always go with the shoulder mounted beam cannons, but not really arty at that point, also kinda just what war war had evolved into at that point. Im not well acquainted with the 1st neo zeon war, but the 2nd was basically just in space and had no real need i guess
@@gundamfactsis the GM III was a rush refit for Kalaba and the EFF it was a merging back in to AE basically took the stock GM II and replaced the generator and backpack with the one from Gundam MK2 and added more thrusters based on the MK2 design it's support loadout was just adding rocket pods to the suit. They still had the GM Cannon II units the AEUG was using.
First like! First comment!
@@stephenemery8831 as always!